Crysta Brown: Hi guys, welcome back to the newest episode of Horse Show Bestie. I'm your co-host, Scott Cooper. And I'm your other co-host, Krista Brown. Hi, Scott. Well, well, well. If it isn't the consequences of our own actions. By actions, I mean our lives. I've been so busy. I really wanted to record. I promise. I really did. I know, I know. And I've been less busy. busy but like also kind of busy. But Kristo was trying to bully me into doing a solo pod. And you guys, I just can't talk for an hour. I just even doing like a five to ten minute intro by myself, I I I hate it. I it's it's no good. You don't need to hear me rambling for an hour. In fairness though, when I recorded the solo episode, I was like fully under the impression that I was not gonna like it and I would just delete it and nobody would ever see it. And then I was like Actually apparently I do have an hour worth of things to talk about. So like I was literally trying to like I was trying to like brainstorm so I could like make an outline and I was like I literally don't wanna I like I I don't know what to talk about but and I like put something up my story and sweet Kat Gofford sent in a lot of responses. Guys, we love her. I love her so much. Kat if you're listening, we still love you the most. yeah, I just I was like I just don't know. Do it. I don't I don't I don't know if it would like benefit society. Okay, so I disagree, but what have you been up to? 'Cause like I've been world show into like I had a week at home and then the German paint show, but like you and Chip have been on your new adventure together. Like what's been happening? Yeah. you've been crazy busy. ⁓ and I've been living vicariously through you. watching the world show go on without me was absolute sheer torture. I didn't go in twenty four and I was fine. I like I had a really rough world show, twenty three. So when I didn't go in twenty four, I literally was fine. I was like, I can take care of I don't care. Then last year was fun and this year I thought I was gonna be okay. But turns out I wasn't. ⁓ so I spent that week ⁓ trying to avoid social media and just living in a hole. And then What have I been up to? So obviously the normal stuff, you know, hold on for it at work. ⁓ and yeah, I get to ride Chip like three to four times a week now. It is awesome. ⁓ that it's like it's been such a blessing, honestly, and that seems so cliche to say, but ⁓ that's kind of what I've been up to is just like riding him. And I've come to the conclusion that I can't fully retire him. So he like he probably won't go to the world show again. Although maybe that's I don't know. We'll see. For the summer camp version, maybe. For the summer camp version. ⁓ yeah. But I still want a show and I need that to to have something to focus on. And he's in his prime. I can't imagine sending him back at this point. And I don't think he needs to be in training. So he he's being a very good boy at home. So this is our new norm of now it's gonna be we'll show smaller shows if we just send in our ⁓ entries for the Ventura County Fair ranch show. It's gonna be so fun. Which is super fun. Stay sound, Chip, please. Like, don't ruin it. and you know, maybe we'll do like a rancho show or maybe even nationals. So Yeah. ⁓ so we're not done done. Which is but kind of like a relief that I came to finally. Okay, so but I'm curious what it's like riding, like I mean I assume it's kinda by yourself. Like do you ride with the other like jumper ladies in the arena? a little but not a ton. I try to stay either way and but they do think chip is adorable. But the property that we're at, ⁓ They have a couple barns and a hunter jumper ring. The property right next door, which literally is like you can just ride through the gate and ride next door. We got ⁓ approval to go over the it's a stunning facility. I I think it's privately owned. But they have like a track around all their turnouts and also another riding ring over there, which honestly has way better footing for what we do. ⁓ and no one's ever over there except for this guy, Mike, who has a quarter horse over there. It's like this woman that mostly has polo ponies, and then this random guy, Mike, who has a quarter horse and is like picking my grandball ranch stuff, which is very flattering. but like getting to go over there and just like ride around the track and ride in that ring by myself is super nice. Chip loves the track, it's super fun. It's probably like a 400 meter track, like it's the size of you know, your standard track and field track. ⁓ and they have pastures over there with grass, which I know for some people you're like, well that's what a pasture is. But in California, like that is just rare. Yeah. and is it watered? Because I've been to facilities that had like watered grass. Yeah. Yeah. That's very California. And we might get to start turning our horses out of there. So chip could be a little pasture pony. Which I know. I love my horses on turnout. I know I've said it on the pod before, but big fan. ⁓ honestly, I have not lunched chip in a month and a half. He does not need it because he gets turnout every single day. So even just in the the dry lots that they're in. Like I just notice a difference in him of just being calmer all the time. ⁓ you know, this turns this starts the debate of like turnout versus not turnout and all that, which I do not want to get into. But yes, it does benefit and it's gonna look different for every person and every horse. But like that's thing. It's just like if it works for your horse, like good. If it's not gonna work for you and your horse, like, I don't know. Just feed them and do their feet. Like I just think we've gotten crazy with like what's horse abuse and what's not. Like there's real horse abuse out there. Like there are horses that have never had their teeth done. Like I think there are obviously tears to care, but I do think sometimes we like lose the plot. Like the people that are like saying that I'm abusing horses because my like hair saddle's too big for me. Like give me a break. Right. Exactly. Like let's calm down. We're they're not malnutritioned. They're up to date on Ferrier vet, all that. They're they're well taken care of. Yeah. It's he's just really he just seems really happy. ⁓ and he's getting a new stall. August first, which is exciting. So there's like two main barns. The upper barn where he's in right now. I love how in tune with all of this you are now, because I feel like like Scott with a horse in training, you'd just show up and he'd be in a different stall. I'll get to that in a second. Yes. he right now just has a stall and then gets turnout, but he's moving to the lower barn, which have like little yards off their off their stalls. So he'll have like a little yard he can go in and out of and little friends. He will love that. He is such A pig pen though. I don't know how I never realized this before when he was in training, but ⁓ my god, this horse, you guys, he is the dirtiest little gremlin on the planet. And I bathe him like two or three times a week now, and it's just like doesn't matter. He's he's just gross. But I love that. I mean you love a full bath, so I just feel like you ⁓ manifested that. I do. ⁓ and I want to address some rumors that I had the fake tail in at our beach ride. That was not the case. No, they did not. People literally were like, You put in his fake tail for beach. I was like, in what world? I don't even like cleaning that shit. I'm not stupid. I don't like even cleaning that shit at shows. I'm not gonna like try to clean sand and and salt water off of the Second of you show him in the ranch where a fake tail is illegal and his tail looks beautiful and thick then. He's just a thick tailed boy. He has thick hair and the forelock, but yeah, being in tune with my horse This you guys, I have bonded with him so much more in the last month and a half than I have like I didn't know it was possible to bond with this horse more and love him even more. And now someone would have to like drag him out of my dead cold hands. It's it's crazy. I but yeah, the whole like being in tune with him, it is it it's new. I I have like t to have a new file folder in my head of chip stuff, but you know, meeting with the vet the other day and and talking about his past and also I was like expecting a crazy high vet bill. Luckily not the case. That was a nice surprise. Unlike our farrier, who's amazing. Amazing. But the when they told me the price of his shoes the first time he came out I was like, ⁓ okay. He's like put that in the budget. But like he like the Ferrier's asking me about his shoeing and I was like I don't like ⁓ don't you just like put them on? I was like, Yeah, put put the shoes on. Great. But he's like, you know, do you want aluminum or yeah. I don't know what the other option. Like, that's how dumb I was. So it's been nice to like reclaim my horsemanship and knowledge of my own horse. ⁓ so yeah, everything from like talking to the the shoeer who's who's amazing. I guess he used to shoe or does shoe the Olympic horses. So hence the price point. ⁓ but it's fine. I'm like, whatever you like, you're the expert here, just keep him sound. Like that's my goal. Just keep him sound and happy. to like what's going on with the vet and his eye and turnout and all that stuff. So it is next chapter of our journey is interesting, but it feels nice to be this involved. I really like it. This episode is brought to you by NAC Equine Services. For years, Naomi Clayton of NAC Equine Services has helped paint and quarter owners, breeders, and trainers streamline the often overwhelming process of marketing and placing horses into great homes. 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Okay, wait, one really quick cut question, but like we can update on me too, but like I'm really curious how you find adapting to the new barn. Just 'cause something I find tricky is like when I come into the new space, it's like, okay, well I don't want to like take over and I don't want to be the person that's like, you don't know anything, but like I do have some kind of things that I know work for my horses and like I find feeling the barn out to be a little bit of a process. Like how did you find that? Yes. it's interesting because everyone there is a hunter jumper person. And like I would say most people are clients of the barn manager. So it's a little bit of like I'm an outsider for two reasons. I'm not a client and I'm not an English writer. and I'm trying to kind of keep our own routines normal while assimilating a little bit. Like one of the things I noticed, y'all, English people keep their tack so clean. ⁓ my god, I know I brought this up on the last episode. I know, I heard you say it. ⁓ my god, it's I feel like a feral hog like when I'm Taking my saddle off and just putting it away and my bridle and just putting it away. But I'm like I'm sorry, like I am busy too. Like I'm not gonna take an extra hour and clean my deck after every ride. but in general I would say I'm trying to just kind of be a fly on the wall there and not get anyone space. ⁓ which is why I really like having that other area to go ride in. But like also I know I like a lot. Of shit. And luckily my trailer is parked like next to the barn. So I have my own little like tack room that I just keep stuff in there. And the other day, actually the bar manager was like, You can use one of these little tack trunks. I'm like, it's fine. Like Yeah. I don't need it. So it's ⁓ I think I'm foreign enough to those people to like not be judged about my techniques and tendencies and how I get my horse ready and stuff like that. So and trying to learn a little bit from people around me too. I think that's that's always like one of the advantages being around a new community is picking up new horse skills. So for sure. But I really I really miss my ladies at Karen's barn, I will say like I ride alone most of the time. Which is nice because I can do it on my time and my schedule and what I want to work on. It can be Peaceful for sure. But yeah. But I'm like, I do I do miss my ladies. And see, I feel like sorry, but like I feel like I'm more productive when I'm kind of riding by myself. Like I get more done. I'm like more effective. I'm really focused on like where I want to take things and what I want to do with this horse. But I'm more motivated to get to the barn when I have like friendlies around. Yeah. I do enjoy seeing the people tomorrow. Like everyone's super friendly, ⁓ and I enjoy the people I've met there. ⁓ and I still miss the community a little bit. But yeah, it has been nice just to like be efficient. I'm not efficient in a group. Like there's a lot of sitting around talking and yapping and ⁓ I I at least now can like make my plan for the ride and just go do it and be done in thirty minutes. But I I feel like I'm better now too about like giving him a long enough warm up and a long enough cool down. Because really with a horse that's broke, like he really only needs like fifteen to twenty minutes of actual work work. Right. ⁓ and I'm trying to balance that line of like keeping him fit without overdoing it too. So Yeah, he's a senior horse, but no, I'm sure you'll keep playing with the balance. ⁓ yeah, I kinda love that too. Like Obviously like I kind of refocused a little bit this year, like focused more on the online. But like that kinda means that the horses that I have now, like, when I do go to the barn, I can take as long as I want. It's not like I have like a string that I need to get through. And I find that too. I'm like I can really be diligent and if I want to spend an hour like literally just like walking the hills and trails and like building fitness, like I can. Like I'm not in a rush. So like That's really nice. Not that I've ever been a rushed horse trainer, but I just feel the ease of not being crunched on time, which I really enjoy. The one thing that is like tough right now, you don't realize how much like little shit you have access to when you're in a training barn that now you have to buy for yourself the hundreds of dollars. Y'all, I thought I'll save you money by going off in DIY. My God. The hundreds of dollars I've spent on just maybe eventually. ⁓ my god. It's like so yeah, it's it's it's a start up cost basically. Yeah. But like I've bought additional bits and head stalls and like all this grooming stuff and Yeah, even just like shampoo with some barns, you know, it's not like a shared thing. I'm like, put it on my pillow, I don't care. But like if you have to buy your own I'm like, why do we all have individual shampoo? Like I will contribute to the shampoo pot. Right, totally. Well, and like saddles. So really the only saddle I have is my ranch saddle right now. And a really shitty old English saddle that I would love to get rid of and get a new one. So on my current like wish list, if anyone's listening and feeling generous, ⁓ I would love a new like regular work saddle like a non ranch work saddle. because sometimes I just don't want to ride my ranch saddle. And I always use Karen's show saddle. So like if I ever take him like if I go to national. Yeah. I need I need an actual show saddle. And I would love a new English saddle, which I've started looking at CWD's like resale pages. There's a billion different I thought there was like just an English saddle and then I'm dumb about it. But I'm like, I don't even know what models to look at. Like what's a good all around? Dude, okay, wait, I have things to say about this. I literally just bought an English saddle. Okay, so like you know, go back, I don't know, six years ago at this point, which sounds crazy to say, but I was like, Well, like, I'm not really riding English anymore. Like, I'm really focusing on the ranch, and then like if I pick up other rides, it's like Western. So like, what's the point? And so I literally sold everything but my English boots. Sold. Gone out of my life. Like I had nothing. And then like the way my life has gone, like that's just not the story. And so I was kind of like, I really should have an English saddle because like I hate leaning on borrowing for something like that because to me, I can kind of jump in any Western saddle and like make it work to a degree, whereas like an English saddle is a really different feel. And then it's like if you're God forbid you're doing like the hunter hack or versatility, it's like you really need to have the right feel. Like a I don't know. So I had like I I have the privilege of sitting in a lot of saddles and for me I rode in Lori Roden's butt. when we were at Colorbreed Congress and like it literally is like sunk in my brain of like how good that felt. Like I've ridden in CWDs, I've ridden in Voltaire's, I've ridden in all these different saddles, but like in the buteté, it like sits you right in that pocket a little bit deeper, which I like for all around horses, but like I just fell into the knee roll and I had such a like free swing of my leg to like kick a Hudson horse up. So I've been looking for a butt, but they're like super expensive saddles. Like they are not cheap. So I've been watching a used page and like I I'm a frugal lady. Like I I like a deal. So I had it set in my head. I was like 500 I could justify. I could justify 500. But like honestly over that it just starts to be like I don't know. Like it just becomes a really big decision over that amount of money. And I waited and I waited and I waited and I found the exact model seat size, exactly what I wanted. Excellent condition, but like older. It was like a 2004, but who cares? It's in great condition. Five hundred bucks, baby. Five hundred bucks. Ooh. You have such good luck with that. That is so good. I'm just patient and I'm I'm persistent. I just I watch. Yeah. And like I don't know whether I would show chip in English again, but It'd be nice to have and like. And I we'll show the all around again one day. on something big and fancy. But it'd be fun to like go try some of the jump stuff not in my Western saddle. Yeah. So we'll see. No, it's I feel like ⁓ good saddles are such an investment, but like if you can kind of collect what you need, it's not like you really have to replace it, you know, like once you have it, you're good. Well, I've even thought about that with like training saddles. Like there's cheap, cheap brands out there, but I'm like I can not get a shitty cheap one. Yeah. Like I really want a blue ribbon. Like, and it can be used, it can be old. I don't care, but I would really so I've been checking those. But it is so this while we're on the topic of English and then we can move 'cause I have some things about your life that we need to talk about. ⁓ what was I gonna say? The English, English It occurred to me the other day as I was like watching them, I was like, English people to me are like normal quote unquote horse people. They're not cosplaying anything. Like we're cosplaying. Yeah, we're cosplaying cowboy and then I go back to my like sp home that is obviously not a ranch. So it's just funny and I'm like, that kind of is a standard for all of us in the industry. Like unless you're like Cow horse stuff I feel like you start being actually cowboys. Yeah, you get to be cool again. Yeah. But but like for us, I'm like, we're just cosplaying this. We're kind of the stepchild of the horse world. Like nobody really wants to claim us. Like I don't know. It's it is a little bit of a different thing. That's why, like respectfully I do feel a little cooler when I'm showing the ranch. I feel more in the group. A little bit, yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I did like speaking of ranch. Krista, are you ready to make your announcement of your new addition to your family? Yeah, I bought I I did buy a new horse. Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ so yeah, we bought a little electric snowmare. and it was kind of funny because she like she was in France, so she got on the boat, and then she was like over in Northern Ireland before I got back from the world show. So I was kind of like Hope she's okay. Wait, who who got her off the boat? Did Chris do this? Absolutely not. Are you kidding? No, the lovely people at the barn with way more horse experience than because like could you imagine? No, because what happens is the transporter like picks them up and like puts them on the trailer or the lorry, whatever you want call it. They put them on the trailer, but then that whole vehicle gets on the boat. And then like then when they get off, they like continue driving like up north and then ⁓ Maddie brought her horse who's like ready for retirement over at the same time. So we had like the two horses going to the facility. Anyway, so ⁓ yeah, I was just kind of like, Hope she's good. I don't know because I bought her side unseen. Like right. Like you literally when's the first time you laid eyes on her? When I got back from the world show for like five days. ⁓ my god. Kid you not. So I like got home and I was like what's she like? And they were like laughing at me. Cause when I got there, I was like, well, I don't know which one is mine. Like I've seen it. And so they had to like show me. And they had her like way like down the the facility is so huge. And so we had to like go way down this path to this like huge pasture. And then there's like both Maddie's horse and my horse in the pasture, but hers is a gilding. So I like looking under But she was really sweet. She like came right up. ⁓ I actually I okay, I'm gonna like overly spiritualize horses for a minute and like just give it to me. Like know that I have a trainer brain and then I have a my horse brain. Okay, so I really feel like when you have the right horse for you, they're kind of like you. Like you kind of see yourself in them. But that's the thing. So like bubbles very much represents like a certain like era of my life. Like and like now it's like, you know, I don't probably like need her as much as I once needed her and now like she needs me and I get to give to her, right? Like we're in a new phase. And then with this mare, like the first couple rides, it was just like, do what are we gonna be like? Like I don't know, it was like a little mystery. It was like a little game. I was like, can we do this? And she's like, okay. And I was like, can we do this? You know, like I'm always kind of like feeling it out the first couple of rides. Like if it's my horse, anybody's horse. The third ride, I took her out and You know, like the reiners are dropped super low. So like a big part of our process now is like I need to get her lifted up and like driving from behind. And she's like, I don't really know how to drive with my neck not on the ground. And I like, Well, we're gonna figure that out. So you can it out. We've been kinda like, because it's like the cross country facilities, you know, there's so much like hilly, like there's so many places you can ride outside the arena. And I like, honestly, ideal for a ranch pony. So I've been like trottin' her through the fields and like loping her around and They had a little cross country course set up for the kids and I like perfect. So I like taking her over the big logs and stuff like that. And her eyes the whole time are like, okay. Okay, but why? She's probably never seen like the outside of a raining pen. Like if you put her on a circle, like she's super like comfy and broke. It's just like I'm asking her for all these things she's never done before. Right. We're like out around the field. Four. Four. Yeah. Four or five. ⁓ didn't matter. so Look it up later. Yeah, I'll look it up. I'm sure she's fine. so I'm like trotting her through the field and we had this moment where I was like, I like you. And she was like, I think I like you too. Like and we started to feel a little bit like okay. But when I was kind of asking them, like, how was she? How are you finding her? Like as they kind of, you know, took care of her and they were like, She is definitely sassy. And I was like, Wait, what do you mean by that? And they like, no, no, like she's nice to handle, but like in the pasture, like she is like top dog. And so like when I like take her like in and out, because she's like living out 24-7 right now, whatever. That's go off. Kind of cool, actually. so when I like turn her in and out, like she'll literally like I'll turn her loose and she like goes over to someone and just like earpins at them and just like starts commanding her. Very red mare energy, let's just say that. But she did not like that at all. all like on her back like I didn't feel that's good thank god of that but like she is in command and I was like you know what maybe this is my new era like maybe I'm the pasture bitch. Maybe that is so funny. But yeah so yeah it's ⁓ been fun. That's good. And what's your plans with her? I mean yeah so like like I said she was like total raining mare like ⁓ like can do good things can slide all the stuff yeah And is she double or what? She is a double. ⁓ she's a solid paint mare, but doesn't matter. So doesn't matter. Yeah. yeah, so she's a double registered mare. So my hope would be that I start showing her in some of the ranch stuff. yeah, I don't know. I don't know if breeding's in her future. Maybe we like there's someone that fits her and we sell her. Like I don't know as far as that. I just know I would like something. ⁓ that I could do the ranch riding on, maybe compete some in Europe, ⁓ and kind of do some of that. ⁓ and she's like a really cute trotter. Like like Maddie had jumped on her for me and sent me a video like when I was gonna buy her and I was like, honestly my main question, like she's obviously broke. Maddie's around her, so like she would know if there was something crazy. She vetted clean. So like that's most of what I needed to know. The only thing that was like maybe worth me going over to check her out was I was like, can it trot at all? Like do we Do we have any idea if she's capable of trotting? Because that's not important to a reigning horse. So like I wouldn't expect them to work on it. But like Maddie just kind of had her in a jog and she was like, Okay, I like can't really get her to move out. Like that's gonna be a you project. But like it was so like cute into the ground and I was like, Okay, like this can work. Anyway. ⁓ so yeah, I mean we're gonna have like a little bit of a I don't wanna say retraining 'cause I don't wanna make it sound like she was like wrong in any way. She was very she was doing what she was told to do. Yeah, she was very appropriate for the job she had, but we're gonna try this new job with her and we think she's gonna like it. So we have some building to do to just help her understand these like new boundaries and guidelines and what I'm looking for. but yeah, it's ⁓ gonna be a fun little project. And honestly, I'm really excited to have like a horse I can video on because like Bubbles is not that horse anymore and it should allow me to, you know, do some more tip videos and things like that, which people really like. So That's awesome. I'm thinking about doing a tip series too, but it's like from a sassy amateur standpoint of just like so what you're gonna do with the lead chains is you're just you're gonna do it and you're not gonna fuck it up. Hope that helps. And here's how you're gonna catch your diagonals. You're gonna sit and then you're gonna pop up on the right diagonal. Yeah, but it's like completely unhelpful. No, because that is really funny because our joke in the stands today, we're watching ⁓ like the amateur hunter undersovel morning. And one of the cows congrats to her. She c like third and she's on like a little all around funny. So it's like awesome. She did a great job. And ⁓ we were but we were joking in the stands like, Well, next time you should probably just do better. I know. How do we win? If you want to be first, just be better at it, I guess. Right. Like it's just that easy. ⁓ god. ⁓ speaking of horses getting turned out all the time, your godchild's chip again, is the most ugly color of like faded black right now. Brown is so burnt. But I don't think I care. I don't think I care right now. I think there's eras where it really matters. Like when I tell you I'll do like an update on bubbles or something for those that are curious. I'll put like a foot over up. But like she is haggard. Like like her roach is all like half grown out. Like she looks insane. But like she's happy and she's healthy. Like who cares? Like she's not in her She never was a presentable horse. like she's not in that era. So like she doesn't need to be that. Yeah. Well, and like speaking of like adjusting to a new barn, one of the things, like I bought ⁓ a big ⁓ fly sheet 'cause I like, Well help the flies and help with the sun. And they were like, ⁓ yeah, we'll put it on, we'll put it on. They're not putting it on. That's not really their vibe. Yeah. Yeah. But and none of the horses have ⁓ So I get it and it's extra work and I don't want to be that annoying client. It's like Please make sure you put my You have to kind of pick your things. I really Okay, so this is the going back to our conversation of like being in a new barn, like I I I would like to encourage our listeners that like to me, if the horse is alive and it's healthy and it's getting its medication, there's certain things you think you do have to let go when you're not the one in control. And so like my situation, like they do a really good job and they really care. And anytime there's an issue they call me right away. Like they are really thoughtful, but like I just like let some things go. Like I at one point I kind of wanted the new mayor to be like in the stall for the week that I was home just because then I could like jump on her easily. And then I like came back the next day and someone put her out again and I like, ⁓ I mean, that's fine. Yeah, I was like, you know what? You're right. She can just be out. Right. That's like I will go and ride chip in the morning and give him a bath and his st his his turnout time every day usually is like between ten and two or something like that. And so he'll be freshly bathed and ⁓ the turnout guy comes and he's like, Is he gonna turn out? I'm like, Yeah, I don't care. Like he's gonna get dirty anyway. I don't give a shit. Just do it. And usually he eats out there so it dries anyway. But yeah, it's like pick your pick your battles and it's like especially things that aren't really that important. Like at the end of the day if he's a little sun bleach, who gives a shit? Yeah, like that's just not ultimately something that I'm gonna worry about. But Like for example, ⁓ the new mare and part of why I haven't done a video with her yet is just her eye got a little irritated from flies. Nobody's fault. She rubbed her fly mask off and like it then they got irritated and it's just stayed a little irritated. Whatever. It's just kinda weepy when I go out and ride her. ⁓ she's on medication. I've like bought three fly masks so that's welcome to the club. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm like, well, ⁓ I bought like Two extra fly masks to the one she already had, so that I like, that way nobody has to go searching the field. You can just slap anyone on her. And I do think you have to be thoughtful about making things convenient. Like, sure, I'm paying for a service to a degree, but it's not their job to go searching in an acre field for my horse's fly mask every day. Like if she's gonna be someone who takes off her fly mask all the time, then I'm just gonna have r them on rotation to make their life work. Like you know, so I think you have to be a reasonable person. But I also think too, like I believe thoughtfulness goes a long way. So I've done this in multiple barns now and I just if I can recommend anything. When I do go away on trips, I try to bring something small back for whoever was like in charge of my horse. It makes people so happy to be thought of in that way. And it's never something big. Like it could be a Starbucks card, depending on if the person likes something like that, or it could be like a pair of socks I saw from a vendor or The March Vegas always has this vendor that has ⁓ like insulated mugs but it has like their breed of dog on it. ⁓ cute. I got that for like literally like the oldest, most crotchety cowboy when I was living in Santa Rosa when I came back from a show one time. He used it every day. Every day. And he like I could tell like he really like appreciated it and it's just like I know when I'm not there that there's some extra things you have to do for my horse. And like some barns are gonna charge for that and most of them don't. I've never had somebody like charge more because I'm around less. They always just do it. So I think it's nice to recognize the extra work, you know? Agreed. Our our barn has they we do have a package where like they can be groomed and hand walked to, which I was like, mm, I don't think we need that. But I have a feeling this week when I'm out of town that like someone's probably gonna groom him just out of the goodness of their heart. And I I even said before I went, I'm like, he can be feral. I don't care. He can be a dirty dusty. Don't worry about it. Don't worry He would probably love it. He would love it. Like, don't worry about it. But I know they probably will. So I yeah, I totally wouldn't love to do a thank you for them. Even a card. I mean Even a card. Literally even a thank you card. Like so ⁓ I don't know, stuff like that does ⁓ for me as a professional, like when people just after the show when and this is not a requirement, but I love when it happens, when somebody like just writes that note of like gratitude for how you helped them, like it just I feel that I did a good job, but it's always nice to hear that I did a good job or that it was effective for you. ⁓ so I I really appreciate things like that. So I do try to extend it. Yeah. I love that. Speaking of shows, how was your world show? Dude, World Show was really fun. I I cannot tell you how much I love working with my Shannons. ⁓ like we love Shannons. I just like I there's so many barns I get to work for and like don't like take this to mean that there's other people that I don't like. It's just like there's something about the like trio of us and ⁓ Shannon's boyfriend actually I think said it so well. Like we just have so much mutual respect between the three of us and we've like come into this very comfortable place of like understanding each other's strengths and like where to rely on each other and like it's just like it's fun to work together. Like every time like I don't have any like like we do it this way. Like I don't know like everything is just so like natural. ⁓ the group of clients is really fun and like especially now like I know the horses so much more than even when I like did world show last year. So it's like fun to jump on them and like prepare them and feel like you had a piece of like seeing people's success. So it was really fun. ⁓ this year was kind of different feeling in because they moved the barrel racing to like early on. Yeah, they did it first instead of last. Yeah, and so there were some different things with like things showed in the Coliseum that would usually show in the John Justin. ⁓ and then Like it felt like we were there forever. Cause ⁓ like though Shannon didn't have any ranch clients, ⁓ Shannon Yetin's friend, Katie, Katie Biggie was showing in the ranch, but she's more of like a DIY who just we were kind of like supporting. and so ⁓ we stayed like all the way through the ranch to like support Katie, which was fun. so it was like weird though, because those would normally be the speed event days and we would be gone by then. Right. So w it felt like we were there for like like the difference of those couple of days was definitely felt from us. Like, ⁓ my gosh, like we have been here a long time. Yeah. ⁓ but and I didn't mind the showing in the Coliseum. It just was like different. Like the youth kids classes for the most part were in the Coliseum. I noticed that. I was sub I was a little surprised, I'm not gonna lie. I like I didn't think they'd like there's just you know, the whole feeling about ⁓ my god, I'm showing the John Justin. I won in the John Justin. So it was interesting to me that they changed up. Not in a good or bad way, but I was just like, huh. Yeah, but I mean the the updates to the Coliseum definitely are felt like the lighting is better in there. The only thing I'll say is senior hunter under saddle in there felt crazy. Like I don't know if everybody just like took a Red Bull before they went into that pen, but like the pace And the energy and the music when Senior Hunter under Saddle was going, it was like, ⁓ we're really we're really going. Okay. Everybody choose life. Like it was a lot. Like they were trotting them things. It was like a saddlebride class. No, Scott. Like and literally I d in the Coliseum, you're like so close to the wall too when you sit there. It w like felt like the stands were rattling. It was crazy. It's a Bigger pen though than the John Justin, right? Yeah. I think it's wider. It's wider. Yeah. And I So probably better for Hunter Settle. I'm sure that was the theory and it probably was just as somebody watching. I was like, This feels different. Like this feels crazy. It was busy in there. My hot take is I hate the fuck ass watt. I hate the what at all. The fuck us what? ⁓ my god. I I don't know. Like it just feels really tight in there. I just don't know. We really didn't show like anything in the Watt. Like even showmanship? I don't think so. I don't think we did any of the showmanship in the Watt. I don't know how they like worked that out, but it was basically a practice pen from unless like guys like please. I d literally had like five days between that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like other people's events, but like for the all around humans. I don't remember going over there to show anything. All the halter was in the John Justin. Yeah. I I think we pretty much showed and maybe that's be like with the ranch extended later, they maybe didn't need the Coliseum as much for the ranch. So some of our things that would have got bumped to the walk got moved over. ⁓ But yeah, I might have blacked out and forgotten, but I'm I'm pretty sure that's true. I don't feel like I showed even anything in the It's just like why do we use this? I I hate that consulting. Yeah. It it works as a practice pen. It that's that's its best intended use. And another hot take. I really loved showing in the outdoor last year. I thought it was really nice. It's huge, which is great. You know, you get you have the wind in there, but like it's cooler. It's like And we were showing the ranch in there last year, so it it felt I don't know. I mean this was like a warm world show. It's definitely not one of the ones where you're like, ⁓ my gosh, it's like so hot this year. But like it it's Texas. It's Texas in the summer. Like it was hot. But that pen, it always has a strong breeze going through it. So like you really don't feel it when you're out there. ⁓ so yeah, I could totally see that. Like there was a few times when I was out there cruising around, but I didn't like losing it as a practice pen last year. Like there definitely were days where it felt like, ⁓ what are our choices for practice right now? Yeah. And I actually liked ⁓ last year they air conditioned like the sheet barn. Yes. And I c it kind of felt like this secret little hidey hole that was like nice to ride in, but it was kind of away. So when you just like needed that brain space, you know, like just go ride one by yourself kind of a thing, it was really nice. So I missed that. For sure. Yeah. Did we get rid of ⁓ the fuck ass medallions this year? Are they gone? No. No. We still have medallions. We still have finalists left in on the yeah. Yeah. There was all that. but let me tell you, there were these backpacks. I don't know if they were there last year. I didn't recognize them last year, but they were giving backpacks away to like sometimes fifth place. And I was like, How do I get fifth? How do I get fifth for this leather tooled backpack? Because it was the coolest freaking backpack. No. I no, like Scott, it was so cool. It was like a dark, kind of rich chocolatey leather. And then the top was like light tooled, but it had the like paint horse logo on it. It was so sick. No. Okay, I love that as a prize. Yeah, I was like, literally when I got to show on the Western Riding, I was like, I w I hope I can get fifth. I didn't. It's a good it's a good incentive, at least to be in the top five. It was it was fun to have something to shoot for. Like obviously we would all love to like win the world buckle or you know get a neck ribbon. But like it was fun to have something else in there that you're kind of excited if you got it. So yeah. I enjoyed that. ⁓ but yeah, and ⁓ I got to show ⁓ Bailey, Lucky in Love, the like best motor in the world. So Coming off of like twenty seven world titles in the news. ⁓ my God. It was like okay, so like I last year I started kind of like posting people on my Instagram stories. So I did the same thing this year. It got like ⁓ like embarrassing. I was like, this feels like gluttonous. Like Right. I was like, how do I like get more polite about these? Because it's feeling a little too show off y at this point. I know, but I mean good for her. She's good for her. Like she Like that's a kid that worked really hard. Like Bailey is like such a cool mare. Like they snatched up the opportunity to like lease her. Like, good for them. And I think that mayor really just works for the opportunity to have her victory lap. Like she's big on that victory lap. It's like free Bailey. She's like, ⁓ there, she's having her moment. But yeah, no, it was yeah, when they were like, Well, do you want to show Bailey? I was like, yes. And how did it go? Well. As you know, ⁓ I'd never shown the Western writing before. So that was definitely something. You know what? World show is a time for first. Chase a cow, do Western writing, just do it. But it's like it's not like I didn't understand the principles of the class. And it's not like I don't understand how the patterns work and what we're looking for. So th like you know, grain of salt, like with that. It's not like I was completely like, Whoa, what do I do? Like I kind of know what to do. I well, no, I did know what to do. I just had never done it in the show pen. So Bailey is like such a privilege to ride for something like that because like she is special. Like I just I I know like we had this conversation about how like push button horses aren't push button, but like I I will tell you that Mare is special. Like she loves the Chopin, she understands what she's supposed to do. And like if you like ask her for it, like she will give it to you. Like and she's so honest, like There's no extra lead changes in that one. You know, like you come in with your feet and you suck her back and she's like right there. And I'd never felt one in the Western riding like that before. Like, I think I've always been on like these zippo-y, like, like kind of horses where like, God forbid you sneeze, like you're gonna get an extra lead change. Like, so it was really fun to ride a horse like her. And like, obviously, like Shannon Waters is amazing. Like, she builds amazing Western riding horses, and so. Anyway, it was really fun and ⁓ it was fun to like have Shannon kind of like build me through something like that and like again, like that team is so amazing. Like I felt so prepared. As someone who's never shown the class before, I was like, I understand what I'm looking for. Like, yeah, I feel like a little nervy just because like I'm excited and this is important to me, but like I know what I wanna try to achieve. Like that was exciting for me. I don't think I've felt that way. in an environment where I wanted it really bad. Like, okay, not that I ever don't want to win, but sometimes you're at the small show and it's just like, you know, we're just showing and you know, and I'll school if I need to. And there's not like that pressure. But for me to be in more of a pressured environment where you're really shooting big and to go in just feeling like, okay, like I know the plan. Like here we go. Like just my mental game was like in a place I've never felt it before. So that was exciting. I felt like Wow, I'm really like getting to maybe a next level or like I'm just feeling a new version of myself. So it was it was a cool opportunity to show her. It was also cool to get to find something new in myself as well. That's awesome. Yeah. Speaking of posting people on your stories, you were in Germany this week at what is it, German championships? Or just a this is the German paint show. ⁓ so it's like a German national show for paint horse. ⁓ not to be confused with Euro Paint, which is next month. Okay. I was like I was watching showers, I was like, wait, is this when I'm supposed to go to Europaint and show? I mean hypothetically, y'all. I'm Yes. We're I don't I don't have the funds for that right now. TV D V D don't spoil it. Yeah, okay. August is crazy for me. I mean we got in the first two weeks, so yeah, get ready for another little small break anyway. what was I gonna say? ⁓ all the people you're posting are those clients? Yeah. Yeah. So this was our first time kind of experimenting with like show coaching, right? Like you can hire me to be your show coach. Granted, most of the people who show coached, we've done multiple clinics with, and some of them also the video lessons. So like they were more clients than you maybe would expect from that product. Like the most of them I was very familiar with them. A couple with them, I'd never met them before the show. So that was like i I very much had a vibe like leaving. you know, we're like we're going d Chris is dropping off at the airport and I was like, I just like don't really know what I'm walking into in a lot of ways. I have no idea what this like show venue is like. I have no idea what this show is like. I don't know what showing over here is like. I don't know a lot of these horses. I don't know how much they're gonna want me on them versus coaching. Like we will literally just see. So it was very experimental feeling. ⁓ but yeah, it was it I mean it's been successful. I felt like I really got to see improvement in each one of our clients throughout the show, which is always satisfying for me. And I felt like ⁓ for 90% of them, I was able to get them on the podium. And for a lot of them they had personal best rides, according to them. So that's like that that makes you feel good. It's like, okay, like I did my job. Like we came, we saw, we did what we were supposed to do. ⁓ so that was really exciting. You know, it's nice to It's not all about the winning, you know, like there's growth that happens outside of winning, but it feels good to be able to get someone that achievement and feel like you you encourage like it's an encouragement, you know? And so it l it like it's like if I've like there was one where I was like, ⁓ I really like I I this is their last class, like I really need to like figure out the way. So I was like, No, like we are going out to practice and we're going out to practice early and like I'm gonna make sure that like this goes and in my head I didn't put that pressure on them but like in my head I am like I need to do some inspirational coaching here because like I really want them to just feel that recognition of the improvements that they were trying to make. So ⁓ so yeah it was ⁓ it felt successful in that way but I have a lot of things to say about being at the show because it was really interesting. before you get to that 'cause do want to hear that, how did you manage like lots of different clients of Coaching because normally like, you know, in our world it's like you're all stalled together, you're all under the same belt. There's a sign up sheet for when your your practices, like how do you manage different people? 'Cause I'm assuming they probably weren't all stalled together either. Yeah. So I was thinking about that too, and I was almost like, Did I make a mistake not like opening a block of stalls and like having them stall with me? Like but it was also like part of it. Not that I was disorganized, but there were certain things where it was like I didn't overthink it because I was at the world show, you know? So like I didn't really have time to sit there and stew about it. ⁓ so I was just kind of like, well, we will see how this show goes, and then that's gonna inform a lot of how I go forward, was kind of my take. It was so much easier than I thought it would be. I I was kind of like, Well, I'm not a part of the grooming process. Like, I'm not a part of their attack room. I'm not like, ooh, but like It's kind of like with any new client. Like even if you were in my program, you might come in and you're putting your tail in in a way that is like making it flick out to the side and like and like as we build trust, I'm gonna pick my moment to make a com because you don't wanna come in hot with a client and be like, ⁓ your jeans are too short, your hat is stupid. And ⁓ I that's the wrong bit for your horse. I want you to buy a six hundred dollar one and your tail needs to go in the garbage. Like that that's not how you're gonna be effective with anyone because it's like they might love their stuff. That could be the first hat that they bought. You know, like there's all these different like things that go on. So you do have to pick your moments, but it was interesting to me how it really didn't feel that different from any new client. Like it was very similar. it was like you start building trust and it's like Just so you know, I'm really neurotic about number placement. Like, can I suggest something different to you? And everyone was like, ⁓ yeah, please, you know, because they like have learned to trust you through the cr coaching process. Organization of people. part of the challenge for me was I didn't know how this show was gonna run. Like, I don't know are is it efficient? Is it gonna be slower paced? I just didn't know. So that was interesting to me. This show I thought was very well run, but they do an awards after every single class. So that does slow things down. So like kind of learning the flow of that the first couple of days took me a minute. But I just did a WhatsApp group and I would just message like, Hey, after this class, I'm gonna go to this warm up pen and I'll be available for ek lessons, you know, maybe you two ride together and then forty five minutes later, let's have you two ride together. That kind of a thing. Because for me, I feel like when you give times, like let's ride at five o'clock, I think that works when the show is over. But if you still have people in classes later, it's like you kind of have to set things. What I've learned is it works better for me when I set the time we're gonna do something as like after this class ends. Because then I don't have to try to estimate it. They can just kind of and the show had a live feed, which always makes things easier. So they could just kind of check the live feed and then know when to be ready. ⁓ everybody was super respectful of time, like made sure they were where we talked about them being when they needed to be there. And I would just say, like, okay, ⁓ for this horse, like you said you would like me to jump on it, more than happy to. Let's just make sure he's there 15 minutes before the class ahead of your starts, so that I can do your 15 minute ride and then you can kind of be on him for the one class and then go show. Yeah. You know, stuff like that. So ⁓ it does take kind of Being flexible, being thoughtful. ⁓ we did have our like not drama moment, but like our little like I thought it was funny. Because basically, so Carrie, ⁓ who like does all my scheduling and communications, she was there with me just mostly 'cause she wanted to see it. But during the rail classes, she and I split across the pen. but I didn't want her to have to coach people. That's my job. So I like called her and then she was just like telling people what I was saying on the phone. So she's on one half pen, I'm on the other half, and then she's just like reiterating what I'm saying. Right. ⁓ but that was like really effective for us in rail classes. But I think people, maybe the judges, I'm not sure, were seeing me like on the phone every time we're in a rail class. And so they checked one of the clients for an earpiece. My God. Which I thought was really funny. And I was a little bit like, well You know you're having success when like a rumor starts that you're cheating. ⁓ god. I love But no. People were very sweet. Like that's not to say that people were like salty with us. Like people were super nice and like receptive and like I felt very welcome in the environment for sure. Okay. Was the announcer in English? Okay. So this was interesting because yeah, like you're in an area with a different language and Venturing off of the property was a little sketch for me. Like because like once we're like at a restaurant and they're like speaking German to me about like a seat and I'm just like, just for two, like I don't know. I don't know. It's a little sketchy. And even getting from the airport to there because it's kind of rural, like it's kinda like going to rancho. Like there's not really a good airport. So you have to drive like an hour and a half, like once you land. Well, all the signs are in like It's like German names for all the exits and everything. And I'm like, I don't know You know. Anyway, so we like took the wrong turn like four times on the way there and it ended up taking a half hour longer than it should have and like that's just a part of life. but they announced everything in English, but he has a really heavy accent, which like God bless, like not a criticism. But for me, I had a hard time understanding what they were saying at different times. Like It it was honestly mostly when they would have moments where they were calling like who needed to go to the wall. Like they would when they did prizes, they would pick the top ten and then have only the top ten go to the wall, which I love, by the way. I think that's awesome. so they would like announce over it, but when he's going through the names, Scott, I had no idea what he was saying. Like I I could not have told you if that was English, it was like French. I have no idea. Like it is like it like took me so long to even understand that he was saying the list of names for who should go on the wall. My clients would just like walk to the wall and I was like, okay, I assume they heard something. Like, but I never like heard a distinguished name. Not the whole time. So that was ⁓ yeah, just a little moment for me. Cute. I love that. What was Like, what do you feel are the biggest differences in like German horse showing doing the same all around stuff versus the US? Like are there any nuances? I thought this was a very positive experience and apparently I think very like the Germans. Because let me tell you, some of my things that have been like spicy little hot takes on horse show bestie, these guys were already doing and I was seeing the positive effects and I like, Good to know I'm right. Good to know I'm right. ⁓ my god, maybe they listen. Dude. Okay. So no, I think they just are official logical, thoughtful people. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Like, okay, so what examples? Well, okay, first of all, they're definitely really big on making people feel awarded. And they place inside the pen. And when I asked, I was like, ⁓ that's funny. I was like, Yeah, in the US, like if it's literally not like the world show, like they just yell it over the speaker. And they were like Yeah, but like the people watching, they want to know who won. Like that's how they learn. And I was like, I know. That would be really nice if they could learn by watching, but we don't do that. And so we were talking about that a little bit. and they did like so I don't know, they would like make a big deal out of presentation. You get individual judge placing ribbons, and you would get like a bigger rosette for your overall placing if you were top ten. There was a neck ribbon to first place. And medals to first second third. And they do a picture for every first second third. Okay. Now, does that slow down the s the show day a little bit? Yes. But the other thing that they're doing, which I'm just saying, if you run shows, I would love for you to just like soak this in, give give give it a try because it is working. Okay. They are very selective about divisions. There was no masters at this show. There's no masters. Okay. in the English Western versatility, I think because their new classes it was only open. So the youth amateur and open writers all showed together. And it worked. And guess what? Amateurs won. Love that. But I think there's something to be said for that because the amateur numbers were huge, Scott. You would have been drooling twenty to thirty people in every single class. In Germany. Mm-hmm. Yeah. But here's the other thing. Okay, I'm I'm sorry, I'm sorry, buckle up, I'm about to bring more heat on myself again. But I learned at Europaint, which is the championship show for like the Europe, you know, area, there's no walk jog at the championship show. So, sorry, but so wok jog is perceived as a entry level class or for a green horse, like that's how it's utilized. So there were three people in the walk jog classes and 30 in the amateur classes. Looks like someone maybe has something going. I and again, it's so good when walk jog exists, right? But you take this incentive to sandbag it away and all of a sudden it's only being utilized by the people that really deserve to utilize it. Right. And as much as it's sad, because like we had a client who her horse would be very appropriate to show in the walk dog at that championship show, right? And it would be better for me as a trainer if she had that opportunity. But I can see what happens when you do allow that. And it would allow people to It would incentivize people to drop into that walk jog class and never give that person the opportunity to have her name called otherwise. So, you know what? You win some, you lose some. I would rather she has a place to kind of learn and grow and learn the classes at every other show. So Right. Mm-hmm. I was gonna bring this up. Did I see at the World Show and I don't know how I miss this. There's a master's walk triot now. Yep. So we expanded the walk triot division. Yeah, that was a rule RCP that was passed, I believe, this past convention. ⁓ again, like, okay, more divisions offers more opportunity for people to have their name called, like you get in there, you know. I think a lot of the masters feel like it's more fair, like our bodies are more similar in the master's division. We just raised the age range of masters as well. No, I'm so mad. I'm so Yes. I was like, I did recalculate my countdown, damn it. But I think that's probably more fair. I think a forty five year old body is probably very different than a fifty year old body. I can't speak from experience. I know, but it's never gonna be perfectly fair, you guys, unless like I want a men's only division. ⁓ my god, no. You guys and your divisions, but But like, okay, I get it. Like, because selfishly, like, I wish there was an intermediate everywhere because like as like a y the young trainer on the block that would have really helped me in my come up. But you know what? I was just sixth for a long time. And then when I got a first or I got a third, I was really excited about it. Like Yeah, that's just a part of this. And it was interesting to me to see the effect of having twenty five in amateur trail. And it's like when you're top ten. You felt like really accomplished something. They're really proud. And I was like, that's awesome. Like I I really would encourage us. I I just I would really like to experiment in the States with our shows offering fewer divisions. ⁓ I think we would see I think we would see better things from it. Well and like on that note, I I think about World Show last year, ⁓ the trail versus Western Riding Trail. There was probably thirty in there. So to get top five in that I was like over the moon. But when there's eight in the in the Western riding and I'm top five, I'm like, well, like probably in the bottom half actually. Like then that feels like I don't know. It's just it's not as exciting at all. It's fun to play with more people. It just is. Like it's it's better information to me as an exhibitor to see where my horse is falling amongst fifty other horses and riders versus three. Right. Like that really helps me understand like, ⁓ like wow, like this horse is more successful than I thought. Like we came out near the top of this pool. Or I go like I have some homework. We came out like middle bottom of the pack. You know, like that's really good information to you. To then better your horse, and isn't that the point of showing? Isn't the reason we have specific breed shows to encourage people to train on their horses and improve their horses, which is then better for the breed? Right? Right. And I was gonna say it it it does require a little bit of a mindset shift where if there's two in the class and you win and but like all your only goal was to win, then like great, but you got there in a little bit easier way. So you do have to shift a little of like Yes, you wanna win, but also like don't forget about the experience. Don't forget about just improving yourself. And I'm this is say it do as I say, not as I do, trust me. but you you do have to just like adjust a little and maybe focus on other things other than winning. That you're they're having a good time with your friends, you're they're having a great time with your horse, you're improving, you're getting to ride, you're getting to like I I love shows because it feels always like boot camp for a few days where you get to really intense about practicing and and getting better. So like shift the focus little bit. So this is what like myself and a lot of our clients from this show we're talking about is like the way it works out, like we have this show with the group of them and then most actually literally all of them I'm gonna see again at a clinic, either at the Netherlands clinic that we're doing with Marty, ⁓ that the quarter horse club over there is hosting Or I'm going back to Belgium hosted by that group literally next weekend. So we're gonna have another practice before Europaint. And we were talking about like how nice it is that it's like we've now kind of figured out what our homework is from this show and then we're gonna go and like boot camp it and then I'm gonna see them like specifically again at their like biggest show. So like it really feels like we get to go into the Europaint like feeling very prepared. So I I think that's kind of interesting how that worked out because I agree, like, yeah, everybody wants to succeed. And like I said, like in the same way that like I'm working hard to get my clients on the podium because I want them to feel that little like reward for their hard work. I want them to feel that like they got to walk away with something and they can like see their achievement a little bit, right? Yeah. Because I think too, when you're in some of the earlier phase, not that our clients are really in the early phase, but When you're in the early phases of your showing, it can be hard to understand the difference between tenth and first. And even if you're going like it feels better, you don't necessarily know what the progress you made was at times, right? You're like, ⁓ like I can see that you put your leg on in a much more effective way during your rail class, but you maybe didn't understand how much of a difference that made in your horse's movement, that type of thing. Whereas it's like when you see a jump in placings, okay, that's really easy to understand. Like I made a big difference. I've never been able to achieve that before. But at the same time, it means so much more when we're all working for something that's hard to get to. Right. Whereas when we just keep making it easy, and I really think it's the social media of it all. As somebody who's on social media all the time and is ridiculous, I think people want to be able to post that they were first, second, or third. Right. And I just I would love for us to find a way to let go of the myth that like if you post that your horse was imperfect on social media, like their value is gonna be zero. Like can we just throw that out the window? Like I just I don't think that's true. Like as someone who shops for horses all the time, if I like saw on social media that like one time it like spooked and blew off the wall, I would be like, Whatever. Like I don't care. Well, I brought this up with Kat in the last episode. Like sometimes the really, really good horses can be tricky to ride. Like I even think about chip. Like obviously we have a ton of buckles. Yeah, he's a He's still fucks up though. And he still makes me work for it. Like the other day we were practicing our extended to go back and he's doing a stupid lead change thing. I'm like, what are you doing? You you know you're not supposed to do this. But it it's an example of like you gotta be the horseman then and like know how to work through that and know how to avoid it and know that it's coming. When I tell you, I just had this conversation literally yesterday. Cause we were talking about like horses that just like do stuff. Like, especially I think like all of most of us paint people have been around a lot of zippos. And like zippos be seeing things. And like every once in a while, like you're just you're just not gonna be able to get it shown. And like that just is a part of it. But they can also be phenomenal horses. And like it's just kind of a part of them. And like I've had horses like that where I like This horse could like literally win it for you. Like she is like so talented, like so good. But every tenth time you ride, you're gonna pull it out and you literally won't be able to achieve a single thing. And like that's just who they are. Like if you can accept that about them, but if you try to nitpick and like destroy their confidence, you won't get out of them what you're looking for. I think you just have to be like I think some horses and that's not to say My horses, I don't expect to be safe and behaved and all of those things. But like some of ⁓ you're gonna go buy a I don't know, a flower on the wall and they're gonna go and not every time. And you've done all the hard work and you've desensitized them to it and you've done your groundwork and like and there's still just that horse inside. And if you make a big deal out of it, it's gonna get worse. And you just need to go and just keep moving and just try to make the most of it. One of the best like horse training conversations I ever had was like, ⁓ one of my fairies, I don't know if I've told this story on the pod before, but forgive me. I had this horse that was like really struggling and I wasn't getting through it and I was like I just couldn't get around this horse to give her what she needed. And she just started getting more and more gate sour. It was like the more I was trying, the worse it was getting. And like I just got to the point where I literally could only work her in like a circle next to the gate. And I was kind of just like My poor farriers are always like part therapists, but I like vented to the farrier as you do. And I was like, I just don't know what to do. Like, I just can't be effective anywhere other than right by the gate. And he goes, Then why don't you just practice by the gate? And then as you start building, then you can start working farther away. And I was like, Huh. I just had like not considered like work with what they're giving you and then build from there. Anyway, and so I do think. There are more quirky, amazing horses than you might expect. Like if you haven't been around a lot of those high level horses and or maybe you only see them like in the at the world show, like on the live feed or whatever, like you may not understand that like they're all horses. Like ev there is no perfect horse. Like even perfect Miss Bailey, and I'm sure Shannon's okay with me saying this, she doesn't like to practice. Like literally every day and I would be like, But I need the practice, Bailey. Like you're gonna have to do it. I would like start walking her out to the practice pen and she would like stop her feet and lean forward like, No But she shows like a dream, right? But like somebody might see that as like she's being bad, but it's like she's just being her. She's like, I wanna practice and I'm like, Please and then she just fine, you know. She's like, I know what to do. You're in But there's still like I almost said they're still human, but they're not human, but they're still characters. You know, and you have to let them be them. Yeah, and they're animals. I mean, I cannot wait to find out the quirks that my new horse, Waffle House, has. ⁓ yeah, absolutely. You know, I did I comment that? I think I did I tag you like I saw. No, you commented for the price and I was like, ⁓ love that for you, Scott. Every comment in there was just like, ⁓ my god, blah blah blah. And the other half are about KVA it's like And I was just going in there like this is a sale ad. Give me the give me the price, location, height, maintenance. I love that for you. ⁓ I loved the confidence and I honestly thought that was the funniest thing you could comment. Like there's actually Thank you, that was what I'm going for. I was like, Why is no one else doing this? Honestly. No, I was like, What an icon. That is so good. I'm still waiting for my PM by the way, Aaron Moses. Still waiting. If if you don't think I'm serious. They know. It's too funny though. Can you imagine? I was having a conversation with Greg. That was huge news. But also like the galleons sell stuff all the time. So like it's also not that shocking. I mean, I think like I think some people are like, ⁓ my gosh, like how could you sell a horse like that? But I do think you have to understand, like, a lot of us as much as we love our horses, like it is business to a degree. And I do think Horses you have to think about a little differently. Like these things cost as much as houses now. Like you have to be thoughtful about your plan with them. And there's nothing wrong with going like, I think we've achieved everything we need to achieve in our journey with this horse. Like time to send them on to their next adventure. Like and who knows, like that might be the story with my horse. I don't I don't know. Like maybe it'll be something where we take her to some shows and somebody's like, I think this is the horse for me and I maybe I think it too. Like it's just You don't really know. And like I've sold horses that people are like, I never thought you'd sell that one and it's like, Yeah, but sometimes it's just right. And you just know that they're gonna be really happy with this person and so that's what you need to do. Well, and like in their case too, I think they have boyfriend material coming up. They've got so many amazing horses. Yeah. Like it's just it's just another one. So Well, and what an amazing impact on the industry to have like so many iconic horses and then to share them. Whereas if Like if they kept them all, like you can only show so many. Whereas like, you know, if you kind of disperse them amongst, you know, different people, then like I think that grows your legacy more. Like I I actually think too, we've talked about this a little before, but like when breeders are able to send their horses to multiple trainers, I think it says more about the breeding program than if they're all kind of with the same trainer because it's like, ⁓ they're working for lots of different people. Right. Agreed. ⁓ in in in that vein, I need to urge people not to be psychopaths about Katie Vance like I know other people have said this, but like it is weird. I'm sorry. I find like TikToks come across my FYP that like these random people are like dissecting her business and who she is. And ⁓ it's like I I I don't know how she does it. I would I would delete all my socials at this point. I could not deal with the crazies. Like Stanley You know anything about her. But I think it's it's hard. And maybe you've experienced like touches of this. Like we have like I mean, an iota of what Katie is experiencing. So like with the brain is on. Our fans are crazy, y'all. No, ours are pretty crazy. But I have moments where a video will hit the wrong pocket and I get a bunch of comments that I am not loving. ⁓ my god, my eck video. Did you see what happened with my ek video from the world show? People I was delete but here's the thing for me. When it's my video and especially when it's like my horse and people get to critiquing, I'm like, well, whatever. That doesn't really bother me. Be and honestly, like the comments just help boost the videos. But when it's other people, like I f first of all, like as soon as the comments go sour, I'm like, Do you want me to delete this? Because I will. but I feel more protective. Like I don't want them to face that heat because they don't deserve it. Like it's so undeserved. ⁓ so anyway, like comments do go crazy, but like I just think Katie is exposed to such a huge audience and something I know to be true, the general public does not understand the owning of like farm type animals. They just don't. And the amount of loss that you can experience, the things that go wrong, I mean horses in particular They're just trying to kill themselves all the time. There's so much that can go wrong and you can do your absolute best job and still do things wrong. Or sometimes something goes wrong and you do have a little fault in it. I'm sorry, that is the reality of being a horse owner. Like there are times where stuff goes wrong and then you go, Okay, like we need to change, I don't know, the safety of this gate. I don't know. It could be a million things. Like sometimes there is something that you need to learn, but you don't need to be bashed over the head for it. By like thousands of people. It's it's insane. I agree. Like at the end of the day, we are humans too and we make mistakes. Like I think about a mare I had to put on at seventeen. That's cause our barn was shitty and she kicked through the metal and and cut her sliced her foot basically off. Like and had to be put down. So that's a human error. That's we didn't set the horses up for safety well enough. And you won't make that mistake again. But yeah, there's just the thing the The hardest part to me about this journey with horses is like the more responsibility you take on, the more things can go wrong. And there are unfortunately lessons that we learn that come at the cost of horses. And that's not the situation that happened with like Katie and that full. Like it sounds like it was literally a freak accident and people are acting like there's like it was a hit job. Yeah. It's weird. It's just weird. Give But I think part of the reality though is it's like the more we put out there, the more we're kind of opening ourselves to critique. Like I feel that sometimes like I had a little bit at the world show actually, like I was like really trying to post and I was like I had this like idea in my head of like certain goals that I wanted to hit with some of my social media stuff. Cool, like great because the world show is a great opportunity because people are very interested in what's going on at the world show. So I was like, I'm gonna take advantage. Honestly, about three quarters of the way through. Part because we just hit really busy days where we had a lot of people showing. And part because I got like fatigued by being perceived. Like Yeah. Which sounds weird, but like just how many I was giving people views into what I was experiencing and who we are. And that then allows them to have an opinion. And I have a certain amount of tolerance for that and I found the end of it. Yeah. And especially like when I'm showing videos of other riders and things like that, which like most of the riders are like so excited to be included. Like I'm not somebody who's just like taking video of random people at the horse show. Like most people are like, That's so cool. Thank you for including me, right? Right. But then I feel so like I am not letting these comments go south. Like, you know. And then it's like exhausting because if it's just on my video and I just let them run, I miss a lot. But when you're actively deleting, you see every single nasty thing people have to say and it gets exhausting. And I don't know I don't know. I mean, we talked to her about it and I still don't understand how she handles it. Like it it bothers me. I don't know how like I love posting because I think to the people in our world who get it, like they find it ⁓ or at least they've told me. Like they find it refreshing to be like, yeah, like we can make jokes and have fun and like we're all human. Like it doesn't matter what level we're showing, like things go wrong for us, things go right for us. Like I am, ⁓ you know, I I'm finding myself to be a a trainer I can be proud of, but like I still feel like the little kid, you know, excited to ride horses and achieve her dream. And I don't I think there was a time where we felt like there had to be this air of professionalism on social media with trainers that looked unapproachable. Yeah. And I feel differently. I've no problem. Like, no, I'm just like you. I just happen to learn how to like, you know, use my feet a little different. Yeah. That's it. Like And I've seen a couple recently I've seen a couple more creators in like in our industry pop up. And I love to see it. Like in in even like younger trainers. I'm like, good go off. Like you they're just like stupid, silly videos too, but like It's fun. It's fun. It's exposure. It shows like the lighter side of horse showing it is not too serious. You don't have to own a Waffle House. Like it's great. It'd be great if you did. Well, I'm still waiting out my PM from Aaron Moses. Another thing that I saw buzzing, and I hope we get more detail on, is I think that trial with that horse that died came to an end and I think they were rid of every charge. ⁓ great. So that was really interesting. Like I will be really curious to see when more detail comes out. But I was like, hmm, I think we should all sit and look at ourselves and what the internet did I had a moment of reflection of like, ooh, like I kind of let the rage bait like get to me because I jumped to conclusions and I realized that I was kind of Influenced, I chose to perceive it as guilty until proven innocent. And that's not how these things work. Let's talk about it from that perspective. Let's say something happened that shouldn't have, and then it turned into like a lawsuit, whatever. Okay. Like let's say it was me, right? Let's turn it on me. Let's say I made a choice as a trainer that I shouldn't have made. I took something too far and I went down the wrong path. And then client holds me accountable to it. What if I take that and I reflect and I learn? And I grow and I start doing things differently. Or I call somebody and I go, Clearly I'm going about things the wrong way. Can you show me a different way to get around this? And do I not then have a right to come back into the community? Like exactly. Whereas if you slam people when we just throw filth against somebody, they have no opportunity to like come back and grow. I I don't there are things that are too far, right? Like when trainers are creepy with their youth kids, not into that, not okay with that. Right. Like I don't really think there should be a lot of space for that in our world. I think there should be distance put between ourselves and people that do that. When people are found guilty of like heinous horse abuse, that's not okay. Right. But I think maybe this is a lesson to us as a community that we should be quicker to suspend judgment. Right. And that was the lesson for me as well. Yeah, I get that. My only caveat is like if I see shit happening with my own eyes, I'm gonna judge like a mother. Like ⁓ yeah. I can think of a trainer. You and I are very aligned on that one. Yeah, it like I've seen some stuff like in the Warm Up Penn at the World show, and I'm like, what are you doing? Like you are. It will change my perception forever. One hundred percent. So if I see with my own eyes, I'm sorry. Like then that's the end. Like I I don't support you anymore. And like to be honest. If I do see something with my own eyes, I have no problem speaking those words to the people in power. And that is Well, that's what you should do. Also report stuff. If you see abuse, report it. Yep. But like report it to the actual authorities, not to Facebook. Right. Not to Facebook. Please take it to the people that can actually do something about it because then there's a disciplinary process. Okay. And a lot of people might not know this. In AQHA and APHA, there is a disciplinary process. So like let's say I had chip for a month. How do you how do you notice? Stop it. Okay, wait. Okay. Sorry. I may have personal experience with this process, but I came out clean. I mean, as anyone could guess, it was me running my mouth and I was clear, okay? So Anyway, but I actually was very impressed with how the disciplinary process worked, and I don't think I understood it until I had to like go to a board. So basically, if I took chip for a month and you were like, Krista, you did some things that were not cool. You could write your complaint to APHA and AQHA and it would go against there's ⁓ you know, we have certain standards for just general APHA and AQHA members, and then professional horsemen are s held to different standards on top of that, right? So You write out that complaint and you're like, Krista was a big weenie to chip, right? You write all that out. Then that goes to the board in charge of that person, be them general membership, be them whatever. And then like they talk about how to deal with it. There's like lawyers involved to make sure everything is above board. And then it goes to a hearing for the most part. You know, sometimes they have you write a letter first, like explaining your side of it, because when one letter comes in, that's only one side. So you might write your letter explaining, okay, well, this is what I experienced, this is what I saw, and then they kind of go into the next steps depending on the association. Then you go in front of a board. You do not know before you go into the hearing who is on the disciplinary hearing. They keep that secret. There's no knowing it. So you get in there and they have questions for you and they might be really hard, challenging questions, and you have to sit there and you have to plead your side and then it's over. And then th they go away. ⁓ you can bring a witness in with you if in certain cases. So, like, say you were like ⁓ you know, I was a big many to chip and Karen saw it. So you could bring Karen in as long as you like w whatever beforehand. So like there is this really thoughtful process and in my experience I was really impressed with how the disciplinary process worked. I really felt like The people who were on the committee were very thoughtful. They were very experienced horse people. And I th I thought a lot of it was really well handled by the end of it. So when things go wrong, y I really would encourage you that I think you're in good hands with APHA and AQHA as far as the disciplinary process. ⁓ I would just ride it out. And there's even been times I don't think in APHA you can be anonymous. quarter horse, you can be protected when you make complaints. ⁓ but I think sometimes it's knowing the right person to go to, right? So if somebody is a judge and something happened, then maybe you need to write to the director of judges. If someone's a professional, maybe you need to write to the director of professional horsemen. If someone is a youth, you maybe need to go to the youth director. Like knowing that kind of right person and maybe explain why you're not comfortable coming forward, right? Maybe there's a power differential that you're concerned about. I would expect they would be very thoughtful about that if you made that noted. ⁓ but that would be my experience. But all of that to say, that's who you need to talk to. It's not going to the internet and letting people just be trial by internet. Yeah, agreed. And speaking of trial by internet, for just just some advice for our amateurs in a certain Facebook group, can we not with the petty drama and like petty complaints about fellow people. Like just knock it off. Just talk to each other and shut up. Talk to each other. There's there's so many not so many. There's posts that I see. They're very like middle school type behavior of like And look, I've been there. I've done that. I do get it. But it's just annoying. Like there was a post the other day. It always does more harm than good. Like, ugh, I'm just a bigger person walking away from this. First off, this is vague and dumb. Secondly, who are no you're not if you're posting about it. Right. And and thirdly, like can we not like this is not the space for that at all. Like w let's let's bring some positivity back into it. So, Amy's tighten it up. Yeah, I ⁓ look like I've been there, I've done that. I've been angry about something, I've been like, mm, like I'm gonna do something about this. And like I think in the moment it feels really gratifying. But let me tell you, when you have to deal with the consequences of that pop off, you look back and you go, That was the dumbest thing I could have done. Why did I not just call my friend and shut up? Yeah, and just for the record, ⁓ this this is put this on the permanent record. I will not s ever start by being a bully. I'm way too nice for that. But if you throw the first punch, it's coming. It's coming. But I think that's the difference, right? But again It's about when we talk about being the bigger person, to me, being the bigger person is going about things in the right way. And that's a lesson I've learned the hard way. So like if you are listening going like you're such a hypocrite, yeah. Yeah. But I've learned my lessons. I feel like that statement I just made sound very like divorced out on Facebook. That's not what I meant. But like, for instance here's a clear example. The the shitty comments on your act video. If someone's gonna jump in and and tell Keith Miller he's an idiot Guess who's gonna be the first person to comment and tell you you're actually stupid and naive and ignorant. So I think the thing that I've learned is like I don't mind even if I faced consequences for being a fierce defender of my friends, that doesn't bother me. I'm okay with that. Right. I think I've learned the hard way though, that like defending myself or feeling like I need to get my side of the story out there, I think it just makes you look more guilty. Like When I jump in in the comment section in like defense of me, now there's times where I'm like, you don't know the full half of the story and like go away. You know, and I do feel like sometimes like just that the quick little clap back that's not personal but like backs them off, I do think can clean up your comment section. So sometimes it's worth doing. But that being said, I think when you're in there fighting for your life in every comment, it comes across defensive and it doesn't look Very good. I think I think when you have nothing to prove, act that way. You know, like I've had a lot of situations where it's like I have a side. I know that things were said about me and I know that they're still said about me. I don't feel the need to speak on it because I don't feel guilty about anything. I know that I try to take the right steps at any point, and I think any logical person ⁓ can understand that. And I think The work that I do speaks for itself. And so I let it. And you sometimes you just you know? But yeah, the the popping off in our community, it does more harm than good. Like it just Yeah. I hate it. I'm sorry, I can't. I would say I I've said it once and I'll say it again. You do not have to comment every opinion you have. Yeah. You don't have to share everything. Like literally just let things go. Yeah. I mean okay. ⁓ I'm gonna play devil's advocate for five seconds. What about when it's a situation where you feel you need to like warn others so they don't end Okay, so like I saw another thing, show close drama. There's always show close drama. I didn't even understand that we could have this much drama over like shirts and pants. But somebody goes, I had a really bad experience. I want other people to know not to give their money this direction so they don't have the same bad experience. What do they do? Like, you know ⁓ I think with trainers, right, when it's the trainer debate, right, you go to the association, we covered that. But what else? To me that's different. That's like a review kind of situation. Like that I'm okay with. It's just like everything that's happening in the world around us, in the horse world around us, you don't always have to have an opinion on. Like if someone else is posting about their shitty showclosed experience, I don't have to have an opinion on it on how to post it. Even if I do have an opinion, I don't always have to post it. But just like in general, you don't have to weigh in on everything you see on social media. That's all. As we wrap this episode, I have one thing that I would really like to put out in the world. But I was asked at this last horse show if I am capable of getting Jenna suppas autograph for someone and that was my favorite thing that happened. I love that. I was Jenna. First of all, she would absolutely do that. Like second of all, like Jenna? Like my friend Jenna? That's all Yeah, we could do that. Absolutely. And you know what? It's nice to see good humans ⁓ get the recognition they deserve. All right, y'all. I feel like we've been here a while. We've covered a lot. We're done. We've we've done it all. We will come back and we will record more often and it's gonna be amazing. And ⁓ besties, just remember. You can't be all of the good that the Horseshoe World needs, but the Horseshoe World needs all the good that you can do. Until next time. Bye.