Field Notes From The Unknown: Hello, I'm Casey. And I'm Mackenzie. And this is Field Notes from the Unknown, a podcast about your favorite local cryptid. Mackenzie Hrubey: Good morning, Casey. casey: Good morning. How are Mackenzie Hrubey: How are you? casey: you on this? I'm good. Enjoying this rainy day actually. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, it's giving me some fall vibes, and I am I am beyond ready for to casey: I'm all here for f I'm Mackenzie Hrubey: experience my full witchy self. casey: So ready for fall. I'm so ready. Mackenzie Hrubey: You you've been over to my place, it's fully converted to fall. I'm also admiring that casey: I have. Mackenzie Hrubey: there there's a little for those that are watching us on YouTube, there's a cute little wreath over Casey's shoulder that looks very fall themed. casey: Yes, it's actually all dried. Like it's all dried flowers. Mackenzie Hrubey: Mm-hmm. casey: So it's very sensitive when I move it. So it just kinda stays there. Yeah. Mackenzie Hrubey: Gotcha crumble. That's fine. That's fine. Well, I have the next and f and semi-final installment casey: Don't say. Mackenzie Hrubey: in our Sasquatch series. casey: No Mackenzie Hrubey: Don't don't worry, we will return, I'm sure, to the script in again. This will not be the last time. casey: I I knew the miniseries was coming to an end, but I have loved it. Mackenzie Hrubey: I'm so glad that you've enjoyed it. I just love these stories and I love this creature. And I am waiting with bated breath until, you know, it is proved to be an actual species by science. casey: Well, so here's the thing. I was listening to the podcast the other day on my drive to work and I was thinking, do we want Bigfoot to actually become like a s recognized species? Because you know when people find like interesting things, they just tend to, I don't know, abuse them. Like I don't want Bigfoot to be in a zoo. So like they can recognize the species, Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. I don't either. I think it's casey: but I still don't want him to Be founded. Does that make sense? Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, I've mentioned a little bit about the North Carolina State DNA study, headed by actually a librarian Derby Orcutt, right? casey: Mm. Mackenzie Hrubey: they've put a lot of thought into implementation. So it's still science takes a long time, so we're still years out of a actual result. But they put a lot of forethought into what do we do if slash when we prove the creature because you're exactly right, like you have to make sure that the location from the sample is not disclosed to the public because casey: Mm-hmm. Mackenzie Hrubey: you're gonna have people, trophy hunters, go and try to capture one of these things. casey: That's exactly the thing. Like trophy hunters, you put a bounty on literally anything and Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, yeah. I mean the the argument is that if they are known as a species, then we can do things like protect them, you know, designate areas of high concentration as national parks or state forests, or no poaching areas and put more parameters, and such. But you know, th that's always a it's always a trade off 'cause if you do discover quote unquote discover something like that, y you are exposing A creature to a whole lot of risks that they didn't have before. casey: Yeah. That's and I don't know, the national parks from the current administration I feel are not getting as much support as they should be. but Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. Yeah. I I think for me I want it to be proven because I think about the work of some of these incredible scientists like Jeff Melldrum for instance. And I just want the life work of some of these people to, you know, come to fruition, you know. casey: Yes, I they have worked on Mackenzie Hrubey: I want that validation. casey: Yeah. Yeah, a lot of people have put a lot of time and resources into finding Bigfoot. Mackenzie Hrubey: Right? A a lifetime of scientific research and it's we're we're getting so off topic, but I mean it's it's to have your n casey: We're still talking about Bigfoot so it counts. Mackenzie Hrubey: yeah, to have your entire life's work be boiled down to a punchline, is crazy. You casey: Yeah. Mackenzie Hrubey: know? So I I want that vindication for some of these people. casey: Yeah. But while we're on this little side tangent, did you see w like text Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. casey: I sent you the other night? Mackenzie Hrubey: Which one? casey: Huh. There's a lot. Okay, so Friday night I was watching a show called Is it out there or something like that? And y yes, I think Mackenzie Hrubey: The truth is out there? Or the proof is out there? casey: it is the truth is out there. but they were talking about a nine eighteen nineties photo from Canada that was supposedly a dead Sasquatch. Mackenzie Hrubey: That's right. Yeah, I remember y you sent me that. casey: Did you have you heard like I did not look into it other than what they told me there and I can't remember if they found Mackenzie Hrubey: There if casey: it it to be like real, but the photo w it was grainy. It was like a blob. Mackenzie Hrubey: There have been there have been a lot of like bodies and such that are found and I I I didn't build any time for us to kind of dive into those like dead bodies and things during this series, but we can definitely like cycle back to that at some rate. casey: My gosh, sounds like a bonus episode. Mackenzie Hrubey: But I think the one that you're thinking of is the Minnesota Iceman. somebody claimed that they found this thing and then carted around to a bunch of sideshows throughout the United States and was charging people like a couple dollars to come and view it. and there are pictures out there. I d I don't know if it's legit. I don't know. Yeah. casey: That is insane. Again, how people have disrespect for like dead things if they can get money from it. Mackenzie Hrubey: Right. I mean, what we're talking about is probably one of the closest creatures to humans and people are just carting it around. If if it's real, you know. It's crazy. casey: L yeah, literally. I think there was a Ghost Adventures episode where there was a mummified body that a carnival had toted around for so long. And now his body's like Mackenzie Hrubey: Mm-hmm. casey: actually in a in a place and Ghost Adventures went there. I can't remember the name or anything, but I know there was one. Mackenzie Hrubey: I'm I'm sure there w I'm I think about like the Victorians and they would collect like Egyptian mummies and then they would fucking eat them, you know, like that's why would you do that? casey: That's so fucking weird. Ugh. Right? Why would you do that? Don't do that. Yeah. Mackenzie Hrubey: eat people. this is the first time we've come out anti cannibalism at at our podcast. casey: That that is true. That is true. Don't eat people. If you don't have to, unless like you're in that s Mackenzie Hrubey: Unless. casey: type of survival situation where you're contemplating it and then I don't know. I don't know. I've never been in the survival situation. Mackenzie Hrubey: Have have a good old Have a good old Donner kebab. Get it. Get it. casey: Yeah. A donor dinner party. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. casey: all right, back to back to Bigfoot. Mackenzie Hrubey: Alright, are you ready? I'm gonna take you so again, this is our s our second to last installment. So I'm gonna take you to the epicenter of Sasquatch for the United States. Are you ready? Bugle in. I just wanna say we don't even talk about like Canada unless Sasquatch in Canada or like the like the Mexico Bigfoot or like the Central America Bigfoot or the South America Bigfoot. I'm just telling ya that we have not at all casey: There's a lot. Mackenzie Hrubey: exhausted the hairy hominid creatures in the globe. yeah. So d don't you worry. casey: Bigfoot resources here. That is great. I'm less upset now. Mackenzie Hrubey: Alright. So I'm gonna take us first to Washington State. So, any guesses to how many logged Sasquatch reports are on the BFRO database for Washington State? casey: I wanna go with 360? I feel like Washington State should be a little higher than the others. Texas was like what two? Mackenzie Hrubey: Seven hundred and thirty two. casey: 732. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yep. casey: Okay. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yep. So y you don't have to convince anybody in Washington State that Sasquatch does in fact exist. You could sit at in Seattle at Pike's what is it, Pike's Place Market. casey: It's like a five and one. Like you get five people and one of them. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. Yeah. You say Sasquatch and you'll get a bunch of stories. Like it is it is common. We should move. casey: We sh I would love to go to Washington State, but I'm afraid that if I go I will fall in love with it. Because I don't know. Yeah. Mackenzie Hrubey: That's it's dreamy. But the eruption risk, the earthquake risk, the cost of housing, casey: I know. Mackenzie Hrubey: We should start a commune. casey: we could start a cold. Mackenzie Hrubey: Why not both? casey: We could do both. We could start out as a commune and then slowly our message just changes. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, yeah. Weird sex stuff optional. casey: Ha ha Mackenzie Hrubey: Our podcast is not for children. casey: Yeah, if it has not been known the podcast is not for children Nor will we have any children Mackenzie Hrubey: Bing. casey: at the commune. I'm sorry. I know you won't Mackenzie Hrubey: Wait, we're not? casey: w why? Mackenzie Hrubey: where am I supposed to have my kids? I wanna have kids. Can we have like the safe space of the commune? You know, like have these via the adult side. Like you like a resort. Like the adults only and the Yeah. Yeah. casey: Like a also kinda like a cruise ship where the kids have the club room. Mackenzie Hrubey: Correct. casey: We we can think about that. Mackenzie Hrubey: Okay, we'll circle back to it. So casey: I don't want kids at my wedding, just so you know. Mackenzie Hrubey: I too. We're gonna have kids. casey: Other than like the flower grown ring bear, they're gonna leave directly after their duties are done. Mackenzie Hrubey: If Kit is still around, she's going to be a ring bearer. casey: Well kit's not a child. Kit is a person. Mackenzie Hrubey: That's true. That is casey: And she can stay for the whole thing. Okay. Sorry. Mackenzie Hrubey: So hot spots, hot spots in Washington State for Sasquatch. There are a lot. So the big high points we're going to talk about Mount St. Helens, Scamania County, and then the Olympic Peninsula. So first I'm going to take us to Mount St. Helens. Have you heard of Ape Canyon? casey: Of what? Mackenzie Hrubey: Apecanian Mm-hmm. casey: Ape Canyon? I have not, but I love I wanna know more. Mackenzie Hrubey: So on the southeast slope of Mount St. Helens is a rock formation by the name of Ape Canyon. And it is the site of one of the most infamous and controversial Sasquatch encounters in history. So it was the summer of 1924, and a group of gold prospectors went into this remote portion near Mount St. Helens called Ape Canyon and found gold. And they built this rudimentary log cabin and began mining. And they would actually propel themselves down this this like this escarpment, like thirty or forty feet down on the side of like a cliff to go into where this mine entrance was, and the cabin was up on top and a little bit in. and they found this site. So verified that this place exists. So during their stay, two of the men of this group were out hunting for food, and they encountered a seven foot tall, ape like humanoid creature, who then attacked them So one of the men probably they casey: He was also hunting for food. Mackenzie Hrubey: look delicious. casey: He that's a good snack. Mackenzie Hrubey: One of the men fired on the creature, and either the body fell over the side of the canyon as it died, or the body was just left there and allegedly creatures came out of the woods to collect the body, but in any case, they went back to the cabin to report what had happened to their mining companions. But then, in the middle of the night The cabin was bombarded by a group of eight men. So the men stated that the walls of the cabin were shaking, large sounds were ringing out as the cabin was struck by rocks and then boulders and then the sound of like massive hands slapping the sides of of the cabin. And The men actually started firing with their rifles out of like knots, like out of windows casey: Inside the cabin? Okay. Mackenzie Hrubey: and like knots and holes in the walls. They were firing at these creatures. They even reported the sound of a creature coming across the roof. And then at one point in time, one of the eight men reached its hand through a hole in the cabin door and tried to open up the thing, but then one of the men shot the creature in the arm and it pulled out and it just made it even more enraged. So the siege continued until dawn, at which point the creatures retreated, and after several hours the men packed their shit up and got the hell out of there. At the time, as casey: As they should. Mackenzie Hrubey: they should, the creatures were referred to as mountain devils, because Bigfoot was not yet a word that we use to describe this. and For decades, a hundred years, the cabin was lost to history, but a researcher by the name of my of Mark Mercel, who's a researcher from Washington, rediscovered the site as well as the mining location kind of down the side of that cliff. And if this is of interest to anybody, I highly recommend watching the small town monster special on Ape Canyon, 'cause they really dive into the history and the reports, but isn't that wild? casey: That is so cool. So when you were describing the cabin, it reminded me of a movie that I had just watched. So Shudder has a new movie out there called Yeti. Mackenzie Hrubey: Mm-hmm. casey: And it they're like, I don't know, adv I don't know, just wild outdoorsy people who go on these extravagant things. Well Two of them go missing, so their kids are like, Alright, well let's go find our dads. And they find this cabin and that's where they're hiding up, and the Yeti does the same shit. Like, I'm telling you, crawling on the roof, hand down. It's wild. It's very gruesome also, but it's also like an awfully good scary movie. Like it's it's it's Mackenzie Hrubey: I wanna watch it. It sounds very Ape Canyon. Mm-hmm. Yeah. casey: Yeah. And I'm like, my God. Turns out they just wanted their baby that one of them had stolen. Mackenzie Hrubey: What's the matter with you? casey: So one of the guys one of the fathers found the baby and wanted to take it back for a reward and put it on show and the other one didn't want that. So then the two guys started fighting and the one stole the baby from the bad guy and that's how like because now that guy's hunting this guy and the baby. Yeah. Mackenzie Hrubey: The hunter becomes the hunted. casey: Yes. So mom and dad were real pissed. Mackenzie Hrubey: I'm riveted. I wanna watch it. I'm gonna watch it. I'm gonna make Charlie watch it. casey: Yeah, it's it's it's good. It's a good bad horror movie and I think that's yeah. Gruesome. Mackenzie Hrubey: I love those. casey: Blood's not missing. Like there's a lot Yeah. Mackenzie Hrubey: It's a horror movie. Yeah. casey: But that's when you were saying that I'm like, my gosh. Mackenzie Hrubey: That sounds just like this encounter, yeah. casey: Yeah. Mackenzie Hrubey: So that's Ape Canyon. And if you if you want to find it, you can just go on Google Maps and search up Ape Canyon. and it'll pop you on. It's on the south side of Mount St. Helens. So, there's all kinds of interesting, like very you'll see the Sasquatch nomenclature everywhere out on the West Coast. Because it's just it's a known thing. People don't debate this, which is cool. casey: I I love that they don't debate it. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. So the next location we're gonna explore a little bit in Washington State is Scamania County. So this is an area with a whole lot of big ol' mountain peaks and Near Stevenson, Washington, in nineteen sixty nine, loggers found one of the longest ever documented trackways of Sasquatch footprints, measuring an average of fifteen fifteen and a half inches. these footprints were found and show evidence of being legitimate drags, which is pretty cool. casey: I have the pictures, they will be uploaded to our Facebook and Instagram. And they have Mackenzie Hrubey: Thank you. casey: the picture I found, they have a diagram of a human foot and then this cast. And it's it's pretty wild. Mackenzie Hrubey: Mm-hmm. So then the last location in Washington I want to talk about, especially for scientific kind of reasons, is the Olympic Peninsula nest sites. So in 2016 there was a land surveyor that was out in a remote area of the Olympic Peninsula where when they came upon these 20 to 24 gigantic, intricately woven structures made of thick sticks and branches and leaves all kind of woven together in a pattern. and this spun a whole lot of research into what these things were, and they were decided they were Bigfoot nests because there's nothing else out there. It isn't like birds are going to make these these nests and I'm I feel like I'm not describing it very well. They're so in diameter, they're seven to ten feet in diameter. So this is like way bigger than any, you know, fucking bird would casey: Yeah. Mackenzie Hrubey: make. These are nests. And something with fingers had to weave it into each other. And not only that, but they have found Sasquatch footprints underneath the nests, which like there's not a ton of structures where they've actually documented both footprints and structures together. So casey: Yeah. Mackenzie Hrubey: it's kind of freaking wild. And so casey: That is wild. I had I had no idea they made nests. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. And actually other great apes like gorillas and chimpanzees also create complex woven nests to sleep in. So it sounds insane, but it's actually a primate behavior. casey: I'd have to watch Tarzan Mackenzie Hrubey: Wild. casey: again, but I do think he lives in a nest for a a little bit. Mackenzie Hrubey: He definitely does. Yeah, I remember that. I that was a really devastating movie, honestly. That leopard, Jesus. casey: Yeah. All Disney movies, like I think when we grew up are absolutely just devastating. Not like Mackenzie Hrubey: They really are. casey: they are now. Mackenzie Hrubey: And speaking of Derby Orcut, they did pull samples out of the nests to have it sent for e DNA studies to see if they can pull DNA from them, which is pretty cool. There's no results casey: And what did they find? Mackenzie Hrubey: yet. Again, like it's going to take years. We have to be patient. We must be patient. casey: People can get DNA okay. Well it's not the same as a crime scene, I guess. And they're pulling from a database. But I'm sure they're pulling from a database here, but Alright, I'll be patient. Mackenzie Hrubey: The and hold hold your horses for next episode because I'll talk about DNA and the challenges with DNA and why it takes so long. I got you. Alright. casey: Ooh, okay. Okay. Mackenzie Hrubey: So that's Washington State. Are you ready to bid farewell to Washington State and head south? casey: Yeah. Mackenzie Hrubey: Alright. So let's go to Oregon. So Oregon clocks in at 262 BFRO documented sightings. It's also slightly smaller than Washington State. casey: Yeah. Mackenzie Hrubey: so, you know, that's fair. Hot spots in Oregon are Clackamas County as well as Mount Hood. and then this is one of the earlier this is after Ape Canyon, but still pretty early. in 1904 in a place called the Sixes River there were settlers that were coming through also trying to, you know, stake land claims. and they recorded a encounters with what they called a hairy bipedal quote unquote wild man, which was some of the earliest Oregon sightings of what we now think is probably a Bigfoot. So we got history. We don't even talk about like these these states and like the Native American First Nations like perspective on these animals. It's it's deep. casey: I am sure it's very deep. Mackenzie Hrubey: So another controversial figure in Sasquatchery is Paul Freeman. So Paul Freeman was a researcher in an area of Oregon known as the Blue Mountains. In June 10th, 1982, Freeman reportedly sighted a Bigfoot near the town of Walla Walla, which he described as being nearly eight feet tall and covered in reddish-brown body hair. In 94, Freeman actually caught a video of what people think is a Bigfoot. It's one of the earliest videos, but it's really grainy. So it's kinda hard to tell what's going on there. But people have looked at that video clip since then and they what they think is happening is it's a creature that has a young one and it's actually picking up the young one, putting it on its shoulder, and then turning around and walking off. So you can see it reaching and grabbing something that's smaller than it. So super cool video. casey: That is cool. Mackenzie Hrubey: Very cool. And Paul Freeman also documented a whole lot of track finds out there. And a lot of the tracks in this particular region have dermal ridges in them, which is like a human fingerprint, but that unique pattern of ridges that are r really hard to replicate in a fake cast. And a lot of casey: It is so cool. Mackenzie Hrubey: yeah, a lot of researchers like Jeff Melldrum and Gregor Kranz, you know, went to the grave thinking that Paul Freeman was legit. Now the controversy comes in because Freeman was not a very well educated person. He was super smart, really good in the wilderness, but not you know, he didn't come across eloquently. And he got a lot of publicity, especially after that video. and he was interviewed on some newscast somewhere, and they asked him if he had ever faked a track. And he said, Yes, he had. But what he said the full clip is that he created a track to then experiment to see if he could replicate the ones he found and he could not. So casey: Okay, so that's just Mackenzie Hrubey: That's a re that's research. That's not planning fake evidence. casey: Yeah, that's research. That's not faking a track. They just did that for like clickbait or yeah. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, so there's been a lot of kinda degrading of this man's reputation, which is absolutely not earned because he did a whole lot, especially casey: A whole lot. Mackenzie Hrubey: in that region. And honestly that without Paul Freeman, that region is a little bit dead in terms of researchers and f it's a perfect wilderness area to have something like, you know, a eight foot tall bipedal primate run running around the woods, you know? casey: Yeah. I feel like that goes to like the ones who know, know and the ones who don't. You know. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. yeah. The other location you can find in Oregon is the North American Bigfoot Center, which is located in Boring, Oregon, right off of Highway 26, owned and operated by a Cliff Barrickman of Finding Bigfoot fame. casey: Yes! Shout out Cliff again. Heyo. Mackenzie Hrubey: We've gotta go visit. Hey yo ho casey: Yeah, we have to. Why are you why are you studying like a pigeon? Mackenzie Hrubey: Because b because I I I follow them on Patreon. So anybody on Patreon they call the pigeonry and so if any of them listen I want them to know that I'm a pigeon. casey: Okay. Mackenzie Hrubey: They don't. I'm sure they don't. I mean All right. casey: I you don't know that. You don't know. Alright, now that makes sense. I'm like, wait, are we switching tracks to pigeons? Don't get me started. Mackenzie Hrubey: I know, you don't think that pigeons are real casey: There's a whole thing coming about that. Mackenzie Hrubey: Alright, I'm I'm alarmed. Alright. casey: As you should be. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yes. Let's move into our final state. I know that, you know, you might have some feelings as we move towards the end of our discussion, but I've saved the best for last. casey: Okay. Mackenzie Hrubey: Alright, so California has four hundred and sixty-eight encounters statewide in the BFR database. And California is where we first got the nomenclature of Bigfoot. Do you know the story? Alright. casey: No, I don't. Mackenzie Hrubey: So September of nineteen fifty-eight, there were either loggers or workers that were pouring road to get to logging sites. they were out in the woods near Bluff Creek, California, and they discovered gigantic sixteen and seventeen inch tracks. They also found a whole bunch of equipment that had been moved, things that would have taken like a truck to tow it, and all kinds of like wild stuff. And they word got out and they told the press in the area, and they called it Bigfoot, because it was a Bigfoot. casey: So this is where the name started. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yep. And the casts that came out of this were casted by a man named Jerry Crewe. they showed him to the newspaper and that's how we got the name Bigfoot. Published in the Humboldt Times. casey: There's a now a name. Bigfoot. Mackenzie Hrubey: Mm-hmm. So Mm-hmm. OG. So this was in Bluff Creek, right? Do you remember the other big thing that happened in Bluff Creek in terms of Sasquatch? casey: Is this the one that I always bring up and it's never the right one? Mackenzie Hrubey: Mm mm. Possibly. casey: Is it the still the still video that is very controversial? Mackenzie Hrubey: Well, there it isn't and it isn't. People always try to prove this wrong and I've yet to find a compelling argument against it. But this is the site of Patty and the Bluff Creek encounter. casey: Finally. Mackenzie Hrubey: Let's get into it. So october twentieth of nineteen sixty seven, two men by the name of Roger Patterson and Bob Gimblin, who weren't from the area, they actually came down because of reports of a creature and traps being seen in this area. They were riding down along the Bluff Creek watershed out in this area of Humboldt County. And what happened was something in the woods spooked Roger Patterson's horse. so the horse fell, and then as he was collecting himself, Patterson looked up to saw a huge hairy creature standing across the creek, about 120 feet away. Patterson was holding a sixteen millimeter camera on a saddlebag, so we pulled it out and he ran a couple of steps and then he crouched down and put the camera on top of other either a log or a rock. And this is that really famous shot of the creature moving casey: Mm mm Mackenzie Hrubey: through this like rocky area with these big trees behind it. And it looks over its shoulder and then walks away into the trees. so that is Patty. over time we have learned a ton about that film. and just like you alluded to, there's been a lot of skeptics who try to break this down. to be fair, both Bob Gimlin has never, ever, ever deviated from this being a real true thing that happened. Patterson's family has been a little bit wishy-washy. Patterson himself was a rodeo sideshow performer, so he was allegedly prone to performative things. and casey: Mm-hmm. Mackenzie Hrubey: Recently this year actually there was a big controversy. There's a movie that was is being released. Hasn't come to public yet, but it was at a film show and they claimed that Patterson had practised the Bigfoot thing and it was all, you know, fake. I still don't buy it because of a couple reasons. So casey: I don't either. Because the the strides like the st I don't know how tall Patterson was, but the strides that that Bigfoot is taking you know, you can see the size, roughly see the size of it. So that's my thing. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. So there are so many things. The the size of it, she's about seven and a half feet tall. the proportions of the limb lengths, the locomotion of how the hip raises up and the step comes down is not how humans do it. It would hurt for us to step like that. And they you know, there's been a whole lot of films or shows, TV shows that I've come out to try to, you know, replicate that motion. They had a Olympic casey: Mm-hmm. Mackenzie Hrubey: athlete come out and try to replicate that motion and it couldn't be done. the other thing that really gets me is Planet of the Apes. What year did Planet of the Apes come out? Planet of Apes came out in 1968. So the year after the Patty film. The costume quality in Planet of the Apes is so inferior to what was seen on that creature. Yeah, casey: The what was seen, yes. Mackenzie Hrubey: in in first and second generation's like copies of that film, you can see muscle flexure underneath the skin of Patty. You also see that she has breasts, like she's actively casey: Mm-hmm. Mackenzie Hrubey: nursing an infant. you can see differences in hair patterns across the creature, like all of these things that casey: cannot be replic rep could not have been Mackenzie Hrubey: E casey: replicated repuc you know, in that time frame from like Planet of the Apes. And that happened after. Mackenzie Hrubey: Replicated, yeah, yeah. yeah. It did. Plan of the Apes was a great movie, but you can't tell me those c those those suits were shitty. Like they were just bad. You know? They didn't have the the tech that we have now. casey: Ha I mean it the time frame that it happened. Yeah. Mackenzie Hrubey: even even modern modern like ape suits today don't look like that. They s you know, fifty years later, they still don't look like that. So I have a hard time really believing that the the Patty film was fake. casey: Yes. Mackenzie Hrubey: I think people like to profit off of something by having discourse around it. casey: absolutely. I think the Patty film is real. I no questions about it. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. Yep. All right. I have one more chapter in our California story. I remember something that you loved from an Ori early episode of the Sasquatch series was the Ohio grassmen yells, the Ohio casey: Yes. Mackenzie Hrubey: howls. This is another really weird piece of audio evidence. The Sierra Sounds. So the Sierra Sounds are audio recordings made by Ron Moorhead and Al Barry in the Sierra Nevada Mountains of California beginning around 1971. these sound super weird. So let me see if I can get it pulled They're weird. They're super weird. So a retired US Navy cryptographic linguist named Scott Nilsson came across these randomly. He's not a Bigfoot guy. He was just stuff on the internet with his kid for a school project. But this is his specialty and he Determined that the sounds had a language with a vocal pattern that was not human and could not have been faked or hoaxed. It sounds like apes chattering. casey: Yeah. You don't you can almost tell the difference in male and female voices also. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, there's definitely multiple voices there. Yeah. It's fascinating. casey: What? Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, and like this sound, people other people have heard it out in the woods. Like you know how much I love finding Bigfoot. Like Bobo says he's heard this in the woods before. I know. RIP Bobo, he's not dead. casey: That is That is so interesting. Well, okay Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah Yeah, it's wild casey: I to me Bigfoot is very highly intelligent because it's been years and we still you know but I don't know That also kinda sounded a little alien esque Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, and crypto cryptolinguists, look at this. No No casey: I don't know Mackenzie Hrubey: They're not aliens, they're terrestrial species. casey: I still think it's weird how they hide. There's sh like the hide and seek champions are Bigfoot. And they're huge. Mackenzie Hrubey: Absolutely. They can st stand super still. Have you spent days and days and weeks in the woods? You don't know how all the hide. Let's go. Let's go camping. casey: Maybe Bigfoot are just hide behind. Mackenzie Hrubey: Scary. casey: That is yeah. Mackenzie Hrubey: No Likey. Of course you would try to make them aliens. I can't. The the weird light phenomena is I I still don't know. I hated last episode. I didn't. I loved it. casey: Love that. They can pop into orbs just like that. Of course they can. Mackenzie Hrubey: I hate it. I don't know why they do that. casey: that was a really good audio. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, it's super cool. It's super cool. All right. Believability scale. casey: I five out of five. I feel like I've given all the Bigfoots five out of fives. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. I feel like it's just like an expose of known things that we just know are are true. casey: But like they are just I love it. I loved Mackenzie Hrubey: I love you. casey: I love you too. Yeah. This one five out of five. That's great. That audio Mackenzie Hrubey: Cool. Cool cool. casey: just sealed the deal. Like I was sold th from the beginning, but that audio was great. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, the the Sierra sounds a are are weird. They're weird listening to. They kinda they're sometimes I think the Bigfoot audio is maybe the creepiest thing that I like find in research. Like it just it's unnerving. casey: Yeah. I it is, but okay, you think about it, all other animals have sounds that they use to comm communicate. So why Mackenzie Hrubey: Mm-hmm. casey: wouldn't a Bigfoot have their own sounds to communicate? We already knew they did knocks and hows. Mackenzie Hrubey: Absolutely. Yeah. And I mean, heck, it th what else is out there making those noises? Like sure foxes make weird noises and so do elf, but they don't make that noise. No. No. Yeah. So listeners, we want to know how you casey: That's not that that is not that. Yeah, no way. No way. S what do you Well what's your belief your belief ability's five, isn't it? Probably. Yeah, that's yeah. Mackenzie Hrubey: yeah, mine's five. obviously. It's ten out of five. I am a sasswatch. I have to shave a lot. You should see the body here that comes off of me. casey: I knew it. I knew it. Can you transform to an orb though? Mackenzie Hrubey: I'll never tell. casey: my god. I love it. Alright. Yeah, listeners, tell us what your believability scale is, and you can find us at Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, Spotify, all at Field Notes from the Unknown, and that is it for us this week. We'll see you next week. Bye. Mackenzie Hrubey: Thanks for listening. Bye.