Field Notes From The Unknown: Hello, I'm Casey. And I'm Mackenzie. And this is Field Notes from the Unknown, a podcast about your favorite local cryptid. casey: Is he okay? Mackenzie Hrubey: He's fine. My question for our listeners, do you or do you not get cute aggression and do you feel the uncontrollable need to chew one of your partners? Cause I do. And I will not be shamed for biting my partner. casey: I'm not I'm not shaming you in what you like to do, okay? don't I don't bite Joe. I Mackenzie Hrubey: Well maybe that's a Joe problem. Maybe Joe needs to work on being more biteable. casey: Yeah, I don't want to. I feel like it just get a mouth Mackenzie Hrubey: You should give them that feedback. casey: of hair. And I don't want that. No, because I don't want him to bite me. Mackenzie Hrubey: It's not bad, it feels kinda soothing. What? Just a little nibble nibble. There's a little nibble nibble. casey: Yeah, a little nibble nibble turns out to like you're s cutting off part of Charlie's forearm and frying it in a pan. Ha ha That didn't need that long of a pause. Mackenzie Hrubey: Hehehehehe I have a story for you. Are you ready? casey: Yes. Mackenzie Hrubey: It's not about cannibalism unless we want it to be. casey: No. I'm ready. But speaking of cannibals, did you see what I titled the last episode for your Bigfoot? A Mackenzie Hrubey: No! What did you title it? casey: Donna Dinner Party with Bigfoot. Also, it's sick. It's ri I mean sick and like it's sweet and it's great and I love it because the what were those yells? The apes talking. The Sierra sounds. Those Mackenzie Hrubey: the Sierra sounds? casey: I clipped those into the edits and they're fucking great. Mackenzie Hrubey: I love the spherounds are weird, casey: The yeah. Mackenzie Hrubey: man. Like those are really weird. And I love that that one linguistics guy looked, he was like a I think he's on with CIA or somebody, but he's like l the linguistics expert casually looked into it and was like, yeah, that's it, that's a speech pattern. That's a language. That's not just random noises. That's a casey: Dirt, yeah. Mackenzie Hrubey: that's a discernible language. casey: I think their like knocks that they make are a type of Morris code also. Mackenzie Hrubey: I I think so too. So what we're kinda casey: Yes. Mackenzie Hrubey: talking around is we've been on our Sasquatch series, so to speak. I've taken you guys across the continental United States, fifty nifty United States, and given you Bigfoot stories from casey: But Mackenzie Hrubey: the Northeast, from the South, from the Southwest, from the casey: To the sand, to the mountains, to the swamps of Florida. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. And we didn't even spend any time Yeah, w we got swampy with it. We got stanky. We got stanky. Stanky leg even. casey: It was pretty stanky. Mackenzie Hrubey: It was pretty stinky. We didn't even talk about Midwest Bigfoot and there is Midwest Bigfoot as well. We didn't even talk about like British Columbia and like Canadian Bigfoot reports. We didn't even get into the fact that there's Bigfoot's sightings all the way down through Mexico. and casey: It's nuts. Mackenzie Hrubey: we'll obviously save it really is, we'll save the galley for a whole other different episode. But I promised that at the end of this experience it would give us casey: The Yowie and the Snarling Yow? That's weird. Mackenzie Hrubey: Heck yeah. It is heck yeah. I promised you a summation on Sasquatch and Casey casey: You did. Is that this summation? Mackenzie Hrubey: I am here to provide. casey: I love it. I'm I'm ready. I'm Mackenzie Hrubey: Are you ready? I'm casey: sad it's coming to an end, but I am happy. And you know what? I hope you get to Canada soon because I would like to hear about their Bigfoot. Mackenzie Hrubey: And you know, this doesn't preclude us. Having our Sasquatch series for these summer months does not preclude us from revisiting casey: Yeah. Mackenzie Hrubey: this topic in the future. Cause as we all know, every small town has their own cryptid. And if it happens to be a Bigfoot story, every cryptid must have its day. casey: It has to have its time in this podcast. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yes, no cryptid too small is what we say here casey: Mm-hmm. Mackenzie Hrubey: at Feel Notes from the Unknown. So I've created slides, so I'm gonna try to get these to pop up. So I what I need from you, Casey, is to let me know if you can see my slides. casey: I love this. Mackenzie Hrubey: Can you see my slides? casey: No. Mackenzie Hrubey: Can you see my slides now? casey: Yes, I can. Mackenzie Hrubey: Alright, still, hmm. casey: Yes. Mackenzie Hrubey: I've created summary on Sasquatch today. casey: I love this. are we able to put these clippings on our Instagram? Mackenzie Hrubey: Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. It's this is shared in our folder, so we can Google drive this and just snip it casey: Yes. Mackenzie Hrubey: out. It's amazing. And casey: Perfect. Mackenzie Hrubey: as far as I know, this should be reflecting in a recording, so this will all be enclosed. All right. Yeah. casey: That is true. my god. What we're still g I'm still gonna post it, guys. Okay. Mackenzie Hrubey: Please do. Please do. And I don't claim to be, you know, I've published no books on Sasquatch. casey: Yet. Mackenzie Hrubey: I have consumed a lot of media on Sasquatch. I don't claim to be an expert. I'm just gonna give you my top reasons as to why Sasquatch is real and should be a five out of five. And it's up for everybody's individual experience to decide if they believe or not. casey: We wanna hear that feedback. We wanna know your thoughts. We wanna know your field notes. Mackenzie Hrubey: We do. But if you don't think it's real, I might I might yell a little bit. So it just you know, to f f fair call out. I'll listen, but I'm gonna be like, man. Man, I'm mad about that, you know? You know? casey: Wrong. Are there any alien references in this slideshow? Yeah. Mackenzie Hrubey: you'll have to find out. So we're gonna be going through I used to call this my my five-point sasquatch is real deck, but I've expanded it out to be six different points. I'm gonna go through these in in in the weight that I give all of these different things for the truth behind Sasquatch. So we're gonna start with anthropologic history. We're gonna talk about eyewitness reports, we'll move into ground evidence on what things get left behind. We'll touch on audio, we'll look at the visual media, and then finally we'll wrap up with DNA. casey: Yeah. Mackenzie Hrubey: All right. All right. So And we didn't even dive into this very much in our series, but there is a deep, deep, deep history of Native American and First Nations folklore around creatures that live in the woods. And it's not centralized to a certain region. in the middle of this slide, I listed a whole list of different tribes that are from the United States, not even into Canada, that have a variant on a Sasquatch Bigfoot leader. Now the the span of these triads goes all the way across from east coast to west coast. i and and The way that different tribes would speak about these creatures varied from being either a different race of intelligent creatures living in the woods that they would even like do trading with. They would trade crops back and forth, to the alternative of them being purely spiritual beings, that, you know, guard the forest and may or may not disappear into portals. casey: Or get beamed up. We don't know. Mackenzie Hrubey: We don't know. We don't know. And the word Sasquatch itself is in fact a Native American word. I I listed out here what the actual spelling of the original word is. I'm not gonna attempt to pronounce this. I do not want to butcher it. But this was a word from a Native American tribe living in the Northwest that meant hairy man or wild man. So the background The history that we have today doesn't exist in a vacuum. It exists on hundreds and hundreds of years of accounts of Native Americans. So I never want to not acknowledge that. So let's move into more modern day eyewitness reports. Now this I would consider like kind of equal to our oral histories of Native Americans in terms of weight of evidence. I think to me that the fact that there are so many different reports that describe things consistently with the same characteristics. A tall, upright, walking creature, hair of the same length, and then like four color varieties. White, dark brown, black, and then like gorilla colored. Like four different varieties of Sasquatch. people describe the way these creatures move very similarly. They describe the the behaviors very similarly. Either we have this whole primal Predator-driven response where we do periodalia and we all just pick stuff out of the wilderness that we think is going to attack us, or we're actually seeing something. So to get nuts and bolts about the number of reports, we referenced in our series a lot the BFRO database. and that database is one of many databases out there, but all in all, there are over 4,000 published reports on the BFRO. And casey: That's insane. Mackenzie Hrubey: It is, especially when you think about the fact that that's casey: But I also thought there should be more. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. And remember like those published reports. casey: But I guess yeah, those are e Mackenzie Hrubey: They're only the verifiable ones, right? Like there's for every one of these, there's about ten to twenty ones that weren't verifiable casey: Mm. Mackenzie Hrubey: and they never published. So that's that's a that's a lot. casey: That's so much. You can't tell me 4,000 this up. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. And I've you know, I have had my fair share of being crazy. I've been crazy. people casey: Ben crazy? Mackenzie Hrubey: can have experiences, but I tend to agree with that, like especially when it's consistent. casey: A hundred percent. And I'm just just saying that because I like to believe in all of this stuff. Mackenzie Hrubey: You do. But you are a believer. But not a believer. casey: Yeah, not that. I'm a believer. Mackenzie Hrubey: No judgment to those who are. I never I never got into that whole Jay J Beebs situation. casey: No. J Beaves, no. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, I was never a big Jay Beeber. That's okay. That's okay. I support casey: Never my thing. But I am a Bigfoot be you believer. Mackenzie Hrubey: And I believe in Mothman. There it is. casey: There it is. Mackenzie Hrubey: There it is. There it is. Estimates broadly about the amount of total modern day setting reports that exist between the US and Canada are somewhere between ten thousand and twenty three thousand reports. Which is crazy. casey: That is crazy. But like I keep saying like Washington State has a lot of big force, but Canada? Whoa. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, Canada's huge. And Can is also a whole lot less dense than a lot of parts of the US are. and probably one day we'll circle back to some of the Native American. I would love to talk like a little bit about like Port Chatham and like do some other kind of casey: Yeah. Mackenzie Hrubey: interesting parts of lore up there. So we'll circle back to it. But with those numbers, we're kind of averaging out to about a hundred sightings per year in the US. And to give an idea that that may seem low, but think about it this way. Researchers estimate that based on dentitative skidding reports, there are probably between either a hundred to a thousand bears per one Sasquatch in any US state at any given time. And That range, that variety of range is wide when a hundred and and and one thousand because of the fact that different areas of the country have different amounts of prey, as well as like nutritional vegetables, fruits that can sustain a population of a large preymate. So the higher nutritional content of a certain region, the higher density that can be sustained. So for example, how many bears are in Pennsylvania? Let's check out. casey: I have no idea. Let me let me go to the machine. Mackenzie Hrubey: So we have approximately eighteen thousand to nineteen thousand black bear in Pennsylvania. So that would put our estimate of Bigfoots between twenty and two hundred Bigfoots in Pennsylvania. Now there are definitely areas I'd argue you know closer to the Appalachian Mountains that may have a higher concentration than areas out towards like Bucks County. But that being said, did you catch the reports out of Bucks County this week of people seeing Fasquatch? Yeah. casey: Yes, I did. I Mackenzie Hrubey: So I do casey: think with that with those numbers, we need to go camping. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. casey: Yeah. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yes. And we have databases that will tell us the concentration areas. speaking of which, you know, if we ever get a chance to celebrate like maybe like a bachelorette or something, I think that yeah. casey: Yeah? my god, are you saying we should go cryptid hunting? For like a bachelorette party? Like I think that would be great. Where? I'm down. I am Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. Yeah. And I know where I want to go. Yeah. Chestnut ridge. Alright, let's do it. And you know what Chestnut Ridge is pretty close to? There's that like that resort thing out there in like Western Pennsylvania, south of Pittsburgh. You can do like art classes and like go to the spa and like all of this stuff. There's like horseback riding and stuff. They could do that and then go Bigfoot hunting. casey: No. I don't like horses. Mackenzie Hrubey: Okay, we'll skip the horses. We'll do the art classes. casey: They're too tall. Mackenzie Hrubey: And that's fair. Especially if they stand up on two legs. casey: Yeah. I shouldn't say I don't like horses. I like horses. I like petting them. They're great. I don't like getting on them. Don't know why. It's a thing. Don't judge. I'm down. You have my Mackenzie Hrubey: No judgment. casey: like I'll be there. Mackenzie Hrubey: Nimacolin. That's that's the name. Nimacolin. Nimakolen. casey: Nemo colon? Sounds like another word for semicolon. Mackenzie Hrubey: It does, it really does. So we'll we'll circle back to that. So I feel like I'm lecturing. Any questions on reports before we move on to our next piece of evidence? casey: No, I love it. Mackenzie Hrubey: Thank you. Next are the things that are left behind. So we're talking casey: Did he make that? Did Bigfoot make that? Mackenzie Hrubey: about Yeah. Yes. Yes. So I will explain the images. So we're talking about footprints, hand prints, and body prints as well as structures. casey: in a nest Mackenzie Hrubey: And the nest. So all of those things have been found. there is a big argument about tree structures and whether or not tree structures are in fact made by Bigfoot. I think some of the consensus that I've heard and pulled out of reading books and such is that a lot of times snow and wind knock over trees in really weird patterns. casey: Correct. Mackenzie Hrubey: What snow and wind does not do is weave stuff. So if Trees are are broken in strange ways where they're far away from where their root ball was, or if they're woven together in a way that would be against where the wind comes from. th casey: I don't think the wind did it. Mackenzie Hrubey: that's all weird. Yeah, or like, have you seen I think this I think this is in Alaska. Double check me on this, but some places they have these trees that have been pulled up out of the ground with the root ball exposed and they get flipped over and reburied with the branches in the ground and the tree the root balls out and exposed. Like that doesn't just happen. Like something has to do casey: Yeah, no that doesn't yeah. Mackenzie Hrubey: that. Yeah. And then the other thing that people seem to notice is that tree breaks that are done by wind are different from tree breaks people think are done by a creature with hands. And casey: Which Mackenzie Hrubey: that the creature with hand makes casey: Yeah. Mackenzie Hrubey: sense, right? Like you break it off by twisting. So there's gonna be a spiral pattern in that in the piece of bark exposed on the outside. Wind doesn't spiral. Snap it. casey: And if the windbreak it it just seems to like s yeah, like not I don't wanna say splinter, but sometimes it can splinter, especially if it gets struck by lightning. Because lightning certainly also isn't gonna twist. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, especially if it's a dead Absolutely not. And especially if it's a dead, dried tree, it's more prone to snapping than casey: Yeah. Mackenzie Hrubey: it is to twisting. But if we see tree breaks that are twisted, especially any young trees, that's not natural. Well, unless you consider that, you know, a natural species did that, thereby it is natural. But casey: Yeah. You know. Mackenzie Hrubey: you know Harlons. So that's tree structures. We talked a bit about the Olympia project up in Olympia, Washington area and the nest sites. So that picture on the right bottom. casey: I'd curl up in a nest like that, that's for sure. Mackenzie Hrubey: That's how big that nest is. So those nests are enormous. And again, people argue the tree structures are problematic because they don't always see footprints associated with the tree structures, so you can't prove Sasquatch did this. They did find footprints underneath of the nest structures. So casey: Yeah, but thing is, every time I walk on grass I don't leave a footprint. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, I don't either. It totally depends on the substrate, right? casey: So like it depends, yes. So okay, yeah, there's not always prints, but there's a reason. Like I don't know, it stormed here today, so if I would go out and Mackenzie Hrubey: Absolutely. But there's often a reason. casey: walk in the mud now, yes, a footprint would be left. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. There's often a reason why footprints don't get left. All different kinds of ground texture will and will not, you know, reveal a print. Like mossy stuff will casey: Mm-hmm. Mackenzie Hrubey: not leave prints very well. but like Certain kinds of volcanic like ashy duff kind of stuff will leave really, really good prints. Mud of a certain texture won't. Mud of a certain texture will leave good prints. it totally varies. But I think the Olympia nests are super cool because they did in fact find that correlate of evidence. They also pulled DNA samples out here and sent them, which we'll talk a bit about where they sent them later. casey: gonna get to that come on we need we need the DNA Mackenzie Hrubey: Ring of the DNA. And then the Skocum cast up in the center middle there was casey: So that go ahead. It looks Mackenzie Hrubey: No, we're gonna say. casey: weird. It almost looks like a lizard print. Mackenzie Hrubey: So Scookum Cast is actually a full body print. So can you see kind of in the the what we're looking at here is casey: Because that where you're pointing I think is the heel area. Mackenzie Hrubey: So this where I'm pointing, you can see that? So that is the hip. This is the thigh. And that's the calf. And then up here is an arm and the midsection into a shoulder area. So it's a body print. casey: No shit. I thought it was a footprint. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. Yeah. Nope. So this thing the dimensions are hard because, you know, we're in this snip kind of thing. and I'd have to look it up to know the exact dimensions, but it's it's quite it's quite large. It's as large as an as an adult male if not bigger. casey: So did they That's insane. That is nuts. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. Yeah. So that's out there. And I wanna talk casey: Is that in a museum somewhere? Can we see that somewhere? Mackenzie Hrubey: this may I'm not sure if the Swikum cast is over at Cliffs Museum or not. somebody's casey: Cliff. Mackenzie Hrubey: got it somewhere. It might have been up with up in Utah with Dr. Meldrum's stuff, but I don't know that for sure. We have to make a pilgrimage to Boring, Oregon, casey: I Mackenzie Hrubey: to the Bigfoot, yeah. casey: There's not much an organ I wanna see, but that's that's pretty much the only thing that would take me. Mackenzie Hrubey: We have to go to Big Fristner. Yeah, absolutely. So let's talk more about footprints, which, you know, these things are cool, but by far, like, this is where most of our left-behind evidence comes from. And this is also a place where people that are anti-Saspatch being real like to say, okay, they're all faked. But some of these things are very, very hard to fake. So Footprints that we think are real have a whole lot of different features, some of which are are are challenging to make a replica of. So most have flat arches, so really no arch to speak of. They have a double foot ball, so up here at the top of the foot, they have a double ball. And then they have bigger heels than we do. The depressions are typically pretty deep. And occasionally we see evidence of a dermal ridge which is a fingerprint, but for your feet. Many researchers, including Jeff Meldram, have speculated that those adaptions, especially the flat arches, the double football, the bigger heel, and what we call that mid-tarsal break, which is the rocking of this area of the foot, are exactly the kind of adaptions that a primate that was up to nine or ten feet tall, maybe weighing up to half a ton, would require to be able to stand upright and walk in a forest. So The things that we see in the footprint evidence correlate to what we see in the eyewitness accounts of how they describe the creature and it makes total sense why they would be here. casey: Why so why in that one does the do the toes look different sizes? You've told me about that before. Yes. Mackenzie Hrubey: So this thing Yeah. So this is the cripple foot cast. So this was from an individual that had a normal right foot, but an abnormal left foot. the left foot might be missing a toe, or it may not. It may be squished up here and somehow kind of deformed, as well as maybe some broken bones that deform the outer edge here. And remember casey: So we're saying there is a crippled Bigfoot in northern northeast Washington. Mackenzie Hrubey: And you really think somebody took the time to fake a crippled Bigfoot footprint? That's crazy. casey: N no. Unless that person has a lot of time on their hands, I I I don't I don't see it. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yep. Yep. And remember that footprints in the ground are not the shape of the foot, but rather the way that the foot interacts casey: With the ground. Mackenzie Hrubey: with the ground. Yeah. Yep. Yep. casey: I feel bad for that Bigfoot. Mackenzie Hrubey: So some of what we might see I know. Some of what we might see in the cripple foot might be the way it favors that foot, especially how casey: Yeah. Mackenzie Hrubey: it's landing on the ground here and The extra toe splaying happen happening up here might be to compensate for the instability here in the center of the foot. But th those aren't faked, you know? casey: There no, those are not faked. Mackenzie Hrubey: No. No. And we've had trackways, not of the cripple foot, but we've had trackways of a similar footprint, but with differences in like the toe splay, differences in the depth of impressions, in slide, all kinds of thing that would indicate dynamics that a stomper like a like a stomp or impression couldn't have. so footprints are compelling. The casey: Very Mackenzie Hrubey: other thing that we've talked about and some people have proposed, okay, when you get a good sash sash watch footprint, should you scoop out the top layer and try to send it in for an e-DNA study to see if you can pull e DNA from it. Hold your horses. Don't get too excited. casey: I don't know why I even get excited about DNA anymore. Mackenzie Hrubey: No we should, we should. It just it it takes it takes longer. sorry, questions on the physical evidence before we move into audio. casey: No. Mackenzie Hrubey: Alright, our next topic is audio. So the thing that I know you loved about the series was that Ohio howl, that big old big chested creature billing over the Cuyahoga Valley, right? casey: Yeah. That was like goose bum full body chills, goosebumps and everything. Like if I was in the woods and I heard that, I'd shit myself. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, it really puts you in that you are not the biggest casey: Yeah. Mackenzie Hrubey: thing in the forest anymore feeling, you know? It's like what I feel like you would that same feeling you would get if you were casey: Like I'm in their territory now. They're not in mine. Mackenzie Hrubey: Exactly. It feels like you're on an African safari like a big old male lion just roared casey: Yeah. Mackenzie Hrubey: at you. You know? So the one sound on this list we haven't talked about is the Pulap Pewlop screamer stuff. I think we might have touched on it a little bit, but I'll casey: I think we've talked about it, but Mackenzie Hrubey: see if I can yeah, I think I'll see if I can clip a bit of this. But this was scream sounds in Pew Pew, Washington that have never been identified as a existing creature. We talked about the Sierra sounds that are a pretty long extensive recording casey: Yes. Mackenzie Hrubey: and how fascinating those are and how linguistics experts can parse out language from that. casey: It does sound like they're talking and you have two what sounds Mackenzie Hrubey: It really does. casey: like a male and a female. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. Yes. Yeah, the intonation is different. So it's multiple individuals. And then there are so many recordings of wood knocks, rock clacks, metallic sounds like a car door closing in the middle the wilderness, whoops, howls, and chatter that have been recorded. And and some of those can be explained away, but I think the time and the place and the circumstances sometimes make those things really interesting. casey: Nineteen seventy three Bigfoot Scream Pilop Washington. There's no I I wouldn't want to Mackenzie Hrubey: Eerie. casey: hear that if I lived up there. Mackenzie Hrubey: Eerie. casey: I'd rather listen to the Sierra sounds. That sounds more animalistic. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, I totally agree. The Sierra sounds sounds like something that you can reason with. The casey: Yeah, the the Mackenzie Hrubey: PL PLUP screamer seems like a thing of your nightmares. casey: Yes. Yeah, no. And the Ohio House. Those those even seemed Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Give me the chills. casey: better than the Screamer. Mackenzie Hrubey: Screamer is really eerie. casey: But it's so it's so interesting because like you think like we're from Pennsylvania, well i and I don't think I have an accent, but like when I go somewhere to like New York or like out in Colorado, they think I have an accent. So it seems like wherever the Bigfoot is in his state, they also have their own accents. Mackenzie Hrubey: I I think that could be true, especially in the fact that I think in different regions, there are different kinds of vocals that you casey: Yes. Mackenzie Hrubey: hear more often. I feel like it probably is how certain family groups have best figured out how to communicate with each other, you know? Like family language. Yeah, we do. casey: I love that. So I wonder if like say a big fro from Ohio travels to Washington if they hear this like if they know each other's own sounds. Like if yeah. Yeah. Like I think they're extremely intelligent animals. Mackenzie Hrubey: And will they know what they're saying? Yeah. I don't know. It depends how smart they are, I think, really. I think they probably are too. I think in order to be hidden this long they casey: Yeah, they have to be. Mackenzie Hrubey: have to have very high intelligence. casey: Yeah. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, I'd say so. Do you remember talking about the Wood Ape Conservancy? casey: Yes. Mackenzie Hrubey: The people that ran the experiment out in Area X with that really cool book. casey: Mm-hmm. Yes. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. So they have a whole database of sounds they picked up out of Area X. So that's at woodit.org. So if you want to hear rock clocks, you know, wood knocks, mental noises, all that stuff, go there and deep dive a little bit on some of those. casey: Sounds like some really good white noise to fall asleep to. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yes, honestly. It's either that or like ghost adventures in the background. casey: Literally. That is it. Hulu has on Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah yeah. casey: Monster Quest now, so that has been the next one. Mackenzie Hrubey: my god, I always get one off off of YouTube but they're always like super mixed up and not in order. casey: I know. But and YouTube has them all. I don't think Hulu has the h all of them, but Hulu does have some of them because I watched the Bigfoot one the other day. And they were trying it was they were doing Mackenzie Hrubey: my gosh. They have some good bits at once. casey: the walk that trying to recreate the what's her n yeah. Yes. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, the Patterson Gimlin walk? Yeah. That is so convincing. That one really gets me. Yeah. Speaking of which casey: I know. Yeah. Ha look it Mackenzie Hrubey: I know. So visual media. casey: Alright, hold on. What the fuck is that thing at the bottom? Because that looks terrifying. Mackenzie Hrubey: It's not that scary. Don't don't don't don't don't freak out. So what they think that is, is I think it's out of New York State, baby Bigfoot caught in a trail camera. because it's either that or it's a really emaciated bear, but it would either have mange and then be really emaciated, but I don't think bears been that way. casey: I don't know, but see it it's that one and maybe the back leg is stretched out, but like the legs look too long to be a bear. And is that another one down there? Like what's that other black blob? Yeah, what's that? Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. That the proportions on the extensions. Yeah, what's this? Yeah. the other story is this was I think by an apple orchard, so you know, there was food that they were they were going going towards. casey: Okay, so if it's a baby Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. casey: one, which I would like to assume it's a baby Bigfoot and not an emaciated poor black bear. Mackenzie Hrubey: Mm-hmm. Uh-huh. casey: I'm happy. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, me too. Me too. casey: And like that's his just his sibling down there. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. So if you think about it that way it's less scary. 'cause if it if to me if it like stringy like that and like eight feet tall I'd be terrified, but like three and a half to four feet tall is somehow less terrifying to me. casey: Yeah. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. Like a little bit. Still kinda creepy, but yeah. Yeah. casey: Yeah. Still kinda creepy, but you know what? Sometimes, you know, every baby's ugly, so Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. So we live in an era now of AI that can fake images, but all of these pieces on here were well before AI happened. We've talked a lot about the O. G. Patterson Gimlin film in our last Sasquatch episode. but I mean what was your takeaway from watching that Monster Quest episode with Recreating the Walk? casey: They kept th there was no way they couldn't do it. The they even had a athlete and nothing lined up. He couldn't get the the stride down. It just wasn't wasn't happening. And I don't even think his arms were as long as Patty's. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. The proportions were totally off. And the other thing that I think is challenging to argue with is if it was a costume, casey: And yes. Mackenzie Hrubey: it would have been thirty, forty years more advanced than the than the costume tech of the time. casey: And I don't think any Bigfoot costume back then actually had female anatomy. Which it seems to have have female anatomy there. So Mackenzie Hrubey: No, the boobs. Yeah. Yes, she clearly has boobs. casey: Like Yeah. Mackenzie Hrubey: So yeah. Yep. casey: And the other one up there just looks like he's about to crack open a beer and has a cigar in his hand. He's just chilling. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. So Freeman, which was the guy out of the b the b the Blue Mountains up in Northern Oregon, that picture is different from the video. So he caught this picture. It was actually his son that's not this the son picture, I think. The picture predated the video that we saw from last episode. casey: Mm-hmm. Mackenzie Hrubey: so it's actually two pieces of visual media that the Freeman family are responsible for. and the video, this one could be a lot of things. I think based on where they claim to have shot it, it's unlikely that somebody would have been dressed in all black out in the middle of the w of the wilderness. And then the other video, if you recall, was the appear to be an adult scooping up casey: Yes. Mackenzie Hrubey: a baby and then like making an aggressive display and then walking off. casey: I Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. casey: I don't it's something. Mackenzie Hrubey: It's something. Yeah. I think for me, still the strongest visual media out there is the is the Patterson Gimlin. casey: I agree. Mackenzie Hrubey: because of all it's been people have tried so thoroughly to to debunk it. And there's casey: To d yes. And they Mackenzie Hrubey: apparently there's a yeah, there's like a private film out there currently that's also trying to debunk it, saying that like the the Patterson family like did Like a reenactment, like a year before this footage was shot, like in nineteen sixty six. Even if they did, like I don't see how this would have been creatable. I really don't. casey: And like they've stuck to their story also. Mackenzie Hrubey: yeah. If it was casey: So Mackenzie Hrubey: it was not faked, but in a world that it was faked, it was not Gimlin at all, it was absolutely Patterson. but I think it's real. casey: That yeah, that goes t that goes to the thing, like and I don't even think it's a thing that they're too deep into the lie now because I don't think it's a lie. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. Yeah. I I think based on the amount of media I've consumed of people trying to test different parts of the PG film, it would be hard for somebody to give me something to now disprove that for me. So I I I'm always interested, like, you know, gimme your best. casey: Yeah. Mackenzie Hrubey: You know? I will watch that film when it's available just to to to hear the argument, casey: yeah. Mackenzie Hrubey: but I do not think it's gonna upsway me. casey: No, I'll listen and I will watch, but Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. casey: I don't think you're gonna sway me. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. I don't think so either. so because of those reasons, visual is pretty high up there for me. casey: And it's the sounds. Like I don't you can debunk the visual, but there's nothing debunking those sounds. Like I've I've heard a fox cry, Mackenzie Hrubey: The sounds are bizarre. They're absolutely bizarre. casey: I've heard I don't like a a moose, all like everything. Like it's yeah, elks, like it's i Mackenzie Hrubey: Elks make weird noises, but not that noise. casey: there nothing makes that noise. Except a Bigfoot. So yeah. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. Yeah, I absolutely agree. I totally agree. So the to prove species real, any biologist will tell you you need a type specimen. So either you drag in a body or a body part. Or another version of a type specimen is DNA. Because what DNA is, is a literal outline of a creature. So if we were able to get a cohesive DNA sample proving a creature in multiple locations, we would have essentially proven the species. So that ultimately I think is kind of where research is moving, away from obtaining a body and more towards this. So let's talk a little bit about DNA. I think there's this misconception out there that like DNA has never been gotten, but that's just not true. Even on some of those Monster Quest shows, they captured, collected, and analyzed DNA and got some kind of weird, funky findings. there are casey: It always seems to like an ape like species. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, what has never been done is compare those samples against each other to figure out if they match each other. That would be interesting. casey: Would be. Mackenzie Hrubey: So Derby Orcutt and a lot of researchers, especially grad students, God love the grad students, out of North Carolina State University, are working on doing just that. So they have an open call out to anybody that collects SASWatch evidence, blood, tissue, hair, or surfaces that might have come into contact with a SASWatch for the eDNA thing, and they're testing those samples to see if they can pull stuff out of it. Thank you. casey: Interesting. I wanna that's what I wanna do for grad school. Shit. Mackenzie Hrubey: Right? Doesn't that sound fun? The hard thing is people want that data research to happen immediately. But think about it this way. How a DNA test actually works is typically you mix up a sample that you think has DNA in it, you mix it up with a bunch of primers. And what primers are is their DNA that you know what it is. Like you're gonna pick out a certain sequence that you know all living species are gonna have, and you tag it with something that, you know, maybe it glows under black light or something, or maybe it has a certain signature that you can pick up with special microscopes. But you tag parts of DNA with something that's gonna be able to make you see it. And then you run those DNA strips together and see what matches. So what I'm getting at is to look at a DNA sequence. You have to kinda already know casey: Yeah. Mackenzie Hrubey: what's in there. It's really hard to pull DNA that you don't know what it's gonna look like out of the ether. The fastest way to casey: So it's not it's not gonna happen overnight. Like this is obviously gonna take time. Mackenzie Hrubey: No, because if exactly if if you don't have those primers to match with a sample, then you're you're in a big cave without a flashlight trying to find a little rock. And they're gonna find it eventually, especially casey: Yeah. And I mean eventually yes. Mackenzie Hrubey: with multiple samples. Yeah. Yeah. casey: We've waited this long. What's another twenty ten, fifteen, who knows years? Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. There'll probably be at least five. and then of course once they do find that DNA there's gonna be all kinds of interesting ethical questions about what do we do with it now. But I'm excited because I I can't wait to see what they casey: That is exciting. Mackenzie Hrubey: come up with here around like maybe 2030, 2035, to see what's going on at North Carolina State. and then the e-DNA thing is arguably even more complex because what you're doing is you're taking an environmental sample that you know might have Sasquatch DNA, but also has deer and raven and trout. Yeah, exactly. casey: Well like from the nests. The nest had to have had some kind of DNA, but yes, there was probably a bunch of other DNA mixed in with that. Mackenzie Hrubey: So suddenly you're in your dark cave without a flashlight, trying to find a rock. But all the rocks are the same casey: Mm. Mackenzie Hrubey: size and color. So you're taking them up individually and then scanning them to see if they're right or not. So it casey: Get that get a grad student on that. Come on. Mackenzie Hrubey: Exactly, it can be done, but it's a lot of legwork. It's a lot of legwork. So it is not hopeless. It's gonna happen eventually, but I think people need to give it Time. You gotta take the time for it. So it's pretty exciting though. Okay. I did. Yeah, yeah, I did. I did. I'll go back. I'll do casey: Love it. You should go back to grad school. You did grad school. Yeah, no. Yeah, go back. Do it again. Do it again. Mackenzie Hrubey: it. I'll do it. So Casey, with all of these six points of why Sasquatches are real, why has it not been identified by science? casey: Beat me up, Scotty? Mackenzie Hrubey: Is it because forests are acidic and degrade bones really really fast and you're never gonna find bones. You never see bones of a cougar, you hardly see bones of deer. So it doesn't necessarily surprise people that Bigfoot might degrade like that. Or do we not find them because they're hyper intelligent and they bury their dead? They just hide really, really well. Do we not find them because they're interdimensional spirit beings? casey: So I like the idea that they bury their dead. However, if Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. casey: that were the case, then we would find, you know, disturbed dirt often during in the these high sided areas, I feel. Mackenzie Hrubey: Potentially, unless maybe they bury them underground, maybe they bury them in water burials, you know. casey: Are they like they're not like a mole, they're not going underground. They have to have they have to disturb the dirt somehow. Mackenzie Hrubey: They're certainly not living underground, but could they bear I mean, think about the amount of key systems in Appalachia. casey: True, true. You got me there. Yes. Yes. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah, it's hard it's I think it's hard to rule it out. I don't know. casey: that yeah. Or Bigfoots and the aliens have a contract that any time one of them dies, the alien spaceship scans the whole s like world and can pinpoint exactly where that Bigfoot died and they go down and beam them up so there's no trace. Mackenzie Hrubey: That's it. I think we'd solved it. I think we solved it. casey: I figured. I figured. I think we got it. Wow. I think we got it. this isn't the first time we've came to this conclusion where we've solved something. What can I say? I'm here every Monday. Mackenzie Hrubey: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So Casey. casey: This is honestly even more than a five. Like, off the charts, I knew Bigfoot was there. Did I know he had various cousins in every single region? No. I kinda guessed, but now we do. Mackenzie Hrubey: But now we do. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm mm-hmm. Thank you for taking this ride with me into Sasquatch Land. casey: Now we do. I thought it I loved it. I really loved it. This was fun. Mackenzie Hrubey: We had fun. This was great. I hope our listeners also had fun. casey: And if you didn't, don't say anything. Be nice. Mackenzie Hrubey: Be nice. casey: Just kidding. Your Mackenzie Hrubey: But casey: opinion, I guess, you can get it, but Mackenzie Hrubey: It's fine. What I would love to see for this one is I would love to get a believability scale from our listeners both a before and after our Sasquatch series. Did casey: Yes. Mackenzie Hrubey: you change? Were you always a believer? Do you not believe now, but you did before? Tell us. casey: Did we change you? Come to the other side. Mackenzie Hrubey: Yeah. Yeah. casey: Who knows? Maybe in the post apocalyptic world, if you do believe in Bigfoot, they'll save us. Who knows? I don't know. It's possible. Mackenzie Hrubey: It's possible. I mean, I could be down for the Bigfoot daddies to beam us up and, you know, take us away from all of this. casey: If the aliens in Bigfoot are like, hey, we've been here the whole time. We've listened to the podcast. Come on, guys. I'd be like, Great, thanks. Yeah, thank you for listening. Mackenzie Hrubey: Thank you for listening, because we really put a lot of effort into it. And we're happy to cover you, Sky Beings. casey: Yes. And earthly beings. Bigfoot earthly beings. I thought that Mackenzie Hrubey: Yes. Yes. casey: was great. I loved the Bigfoot series. You outdid You outdid yourself. Mackenzie Hrubey: Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Perhaps we'll return to Bigfoot in the future. Thank you. Thank you. casey: Yeah. Mackenzie Hrubey: you're too kind. You're too kind. I think that is it for us for today, listeners. So please let us know your thoughts. casey: Yeah, I I know your believability believability scale, so if you wanna tell us, go ahead. But I'm pretty sure Yeah. We know. Mackenzie Hrubey: It's five. casey: But yeah, alright, that is it for us. like, share, subscribe. Go scream out into the wilderness. Maybe something will scream back. Do it. Yeah, tell us if if it does. Mackenzie Hrubey: Tell us if it does. casey: unless you don't come back, then like I don't think you can really tell us, but that doesn't matter. yeah. Mackenzie Hrubey: Even haunt our dreams. We're very spiritual. Yeah. Come stop by. Stop be fine. casey: Yeah, I'm I'm open to that. Yeah. But yeah, you can find us Facebook, YouTube, Spotify, anywhere really, at Field Notes from the Unknown. And that's it for us guys. Bye! Mackenzie Hrubey: Thank you so much. We'll see you next week. Bye.