Jackie Hering: Hey everyone and welcome to the Women's Race Podcast. I'm your host, Jackie Herring. I almost just forgot the title of the podcast, which I shouldn't forget because I've been recording every week now, and this week is no different. I have a great guest and I have a great guest on here today. She's a friend, and she has been a top Iron Man athlete for the last several years and got going when I started having kids, so I missed. The beginning stages of Sky Munch in her early years. But when I came into it, she was already crushing and I had no idea who she was. And it was really funny to be like, who is this person? ⁓ but she's been through some ups and downs. She's now a mom, and I just love chatting with Sky. So welcome to the pod. We have a lot to cover. First time on my pod. Usually I'm on yours. Skye: Yes. Thanks. Yeah. Yeah. I'm good. ⁓ it's been fun to see your pod grow and blossom and it seems like you're doing a very good job, a much better job than I am with my own pod. So yeah, thanks for having me on. Jackie Hering: So how are you? Yeah, thanks. We were just in the same place together at Chattanooga 70.3. So I guess I kinda wanna kick it off with chatting about Chattanooga, how you how you feel about it and what you've been up to since. Skye: Yeah. Yeah, you know, Chattanooga for me was kind of an experiment of sorts. I've been pretty open that like coming back after having my daughter, Lois, I thought I would be back like crushing. I thought I'd be doing pro series this year. And then I realized I really like being a mom and taking care of Lois. And for me to get back to that crush level at Iron Man would require like full-time childcare and me basically just. not having the involvement that I wanted to have as a mother. And so I've had to really it's been a huge process and I've had to really step back and think like, okay, what I mean, I'm like not answering your question, but I am. I'm gonna get there. Jackie Hering: You're going, you're actually I made an outline, Sky, and you're actually going to point number three. So you're gonna really screw me up. And this is an evening recording. So we've got fifty percent brain cells. We are specifically wondering about Chattanooga. So you're giving the backstory about how you you're like how you actually ended up there, right? Which is important. Skye: Okay. I'm so Okay, well anyway, the the p okay. K yeah the backstory Yeah, I ended up in Chattanooga. Yeah, because th it was either like be totally done or kind of see what's possible and being less training Jackie Hering: What's possible with less training hours? Because historically you've done quite a lot of training and it from my perspective, it looked like you were testing out like a less hours ⁓ and a bit f more flexible training approach. Is that right? Skye: Yes. Yes. Hundred percent because, you know, last year when I was trying to get back to Kona as fit as I could, I had a nanny and I didn't our nanny was great, but I personally didn't want to have a nanny because I wanted to be the one doing the mothering. And so yeah, it's been all based off like nap time and coordinating schedules with my husband Matt. So that's how I that's why I did Chattanooga's cause I thought, okay, let's see what I can do at seventy point three. I probably don't need to do thirty hour training weeks. To crush a 70.3. And, you know, inspired by women like you, Jackie, who have had kids. And, you know, you took a long break from Iron Man because you understand the demands of Iron Man and motherhood. And yeah, so I got there. Let's go back to how it was an experiment. It was an experiment for me to see what I could do, see how fit I could get. And I learned a lot through the process, which was great. And it was also kind of a test of like. Where's my heart at and my my mind and soul at with triathlon? Like, is this worth it to me? Am I having fun? And you know what? I genuinely enjoy Chattanooga because I think I think having it be an experiment and me feeling like it was a fairly big unknown, even though, you know, like the numbers don't lie in training. You you don't generally just go ⁓ magically go ⁓ outperform what you can do in training, but there was still just that unknown because Jackie Hering: Magically yeah. Skye: Even though I was seeing some really good numbers and signs and training, I knew I was still overall doing less. ⁓ frankly, I wasn't even sleeping through the night every night still. ⁓ so there's just there's so many more factors than just training. So yeah, it was it was fun for me. it also was very freeing for me. ⁓ cause I think maybe this is like point number six that you want to hit, but I feel like I've really struggled with like. Jackie Hering: You're blowing up my outline. Blowing it up. Skye: I feel like I really struggled with like who am I? And even some imposter syndrome of like Sky Maunch triathlete like this kick-ass triathlete who can win Iron Man's and you know can fight for top tens at world championships and who can, you know, be fighting for podiums at any race. And like and who loves it, right? Like eat, sleeps, breathe this. And it's it was my entire life for the last 10 years, basically. And now it's not. And like now that's not me. And it's not that I don't want to be that kind of athlete anymore. Cause of course I would still love to be in like winning top 10 world championship shape. But like I want to be with Lois more than I want that. And so it's it's a very, it's been a very like conflicting, soul searching, who am I? Even though I know who I am, like I love being a mom. I love being Lois's mom and I know that. But then it's just figuring out how to fit everything else in to its proper place because I I knew how Trathlon went for me before and like it can't it can't go that way anymore if if I want to be a mother, like a present mother. Jackie Hering: Yeah. This is yeah. This is Yeah. It's something that we did kind of talk about. I remember on your pod a while back, which is like you're in like Sky Maunch 2.0. You're like a new you must let the old sky is dead now. And this is the new version. And maybe right now you're not in top podium fighting shape, but you're creating the new version of you. You know, a couple questions from all that, which is like. Skye: Yeah. Yes. Yes, yes. Yes. Mm-hmm. Jackie Hering: What was your like what was your weekly training like hours? Like what type of hours were you able to figure out within the realm of of the life you're you've got going on? And and how old is Lois right now? Skye: Mm-hmm. Yeah, Lois is 18 and a half months now. She was 18 months. She was 18 months at Chattanooga. ⁓ yeah, so leading in, like I started building back right around Christmas, right after Christmas. I really kind of took a break, lost plenty of fitness. Yep. And then I started building back and I r had a like a really good, consistent six weeks. And when you're starting from fairly low fitness, like that fitness ramp looks really good. Those Jackie Hering: Yes. Okay. After Kona, yep. So good. It's a mountain. Skye: first six weeks. Yeah, you're just like, man, I'm crushing it. And then, you know, I had some To your question, let's answer your actual questions. The hours I was able to put in consistently, I would say, over the last four months or so was probably. I wouldn't say the average is this because I had some low weeks where Lois was sick or I was sick. A low week was probably nine hours. That was like a really low week. That was the week that I was I was barfing. Lois wasn't even sick, but I had some stomach something. And anyway, but Jackie Hering: Ha ha. Like what's a low week? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Skye: high week was like I think my highest week was probably a little over seventeen hours. ⁓ but the the real consistent weeks were fourteen to sixteen hours. So not a lot. Jackie Hering: That's actually that's perfect half fireman training. Skye: Yeah, no, it's it was it was enough, right? And you know, sometimes you think like, ⁓ if I would have been sleeping better, or like, ⁓ if this or that, but you really just can't you have to just let go of all the what ifs and all like I just cannot optimize everything about my life right now. And if I try to, it stresses me out. So then it's not fun. ⁓ so yeah, that was all I would I only swam most weeks three times a week. Jackie Hering: Yeah, it is it is enough. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Skye: ⁓ so way less swimming. But you know what? I didn't swim that terribly. I didn't stay on your feet, sadly, but you sa you had a great swim, I think. So Jackie Hering: Well, I swim every day now, so we've like switched to lives pretty much. Skye: Yeah, so yes. Well, and it's funny, we've talked about this, I think, on my pod, and this is when like you were coming back in and we were at the Collins Cup and I remember you telling me you swam three times a week, you swam like nine K a week, and I was like How do you My head exploded. Jackie Hering: Yeah, you were your head exploded at that moment. You're like, I don't know who you are or why you're here. Skye: No, I was like, w how is that possible? How do you only swim 9K a week? Because at that time, under yes, 25 to 30k a week, and probably a low week would be five times in a week. Like I swam so much and I was extremely swim fit. And you know what? I kind of felt it in Chattanooga. Like you you kind of feel that okay, I'm not like invincible here on the swim, but it's enough, right? ⁓ the bike was the bike was. Jackie Hering: You are something like twenty five K a week. ⁓ Yeah. Skye: ⁓ fine. I was probably biking it was like six to eight hours a week. And then running what three to four hours a week. So basically everything was definitely like three times a week and then bike and run more off like more frequently. I would get in four times a week. so yeah, it was just I would set a plan for myself and try to accomplish it, but as you know, many times life Jackie Hering: Yeah. Skye: has a different idea or even just energy. Like that's the th that is the thing is like recovery even even though like I'm totally out of the newborn stage and now Lois has been sleeping like an absolute champ for like six weeks straight. So that's nice. But Jackie Hering: Yeah, energy. But that just kind of comes and goes literally till they're like five. Like yeah, any and then she could just be up every night for who knows what reason. Like she just misses you. She like there's no reason sometimes. ⁓ yeah. Skye: Exactly. Exactly like I don't know when this could end. Like I could be up I know. I I know. I know. So yeah, it's just it's just really interesting. Like I think the biggest thing I've had to do, and you would already know this and would share it in a better way than I ever could, but like I had to stop comparing myself to myself, to my old self. Because that was really getting in my way. I'm like, well, I can't. I'm like Jackie Hering: Yeah. Skye: I knew what I could do before, but like my life is so drastically different that it's Jackie Hering: Yeah, it's like the mindset, the thought, the I don't know how to explain this. Actually, the it's the thought of like wishing things to be different than they are. Like you have to drop all of the ideas and thoughts of like how something could be better, how something should be different. It's like, no, this is the reality of the situation. You can't wish it different, because this just is how it is. And I used to really struggle with that when Skye: Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Jackie Hering: When my kids were that age too, because you you can envision things to go so much smoother and so much easier. But you know, that's the reality of little kids is is it is tough. But then when you come out of it, you have this like resilience that you're like, man, I was operating under those conditions. And look how much I was able to do. And then once you get like, you know, get your get the kids in school, like I'd say the phase that I'm in now, it Skye: Yes. Yes. Mm-hmm. Jackie Hering: feels like I can accomplish an immense amount of stuff because like even when they're home, they don't exactly need me like being around them all the time. They really just care about food and driving to sports practices. And like Sky is still eight. She still likes to hang out and snuggle and all that. ⁓ but it's very nice. But in general if I have Skye: Yes. Right. but that's nice. Jackie Hering: If I am trying to do something, they're like, all right, cool, go, good luck, mom. You know. Skye: Yeah, exactly. You're like I gotta go do a podcast. You don't you don't have to arrange like I had to arrange to make sure Matt could be with Lois because I can't I can't just be like, Casey Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Jackie Hering: Я Right, like locker in a room. Okay, see you in an hour. Good luck. ⁓ my. Yeah. Well, okay, so you did I don't even know what place you got in Chattanooga. Guess what? It doesn't matter. Seventh. But you made a few bucks. Skye: Seventh. No, it doesn't matter. I got seventh. But it does matter in the sense that I yes, I covered I more than covered my cost somehow. Cause somehow that trip was not that expensive. I well the flights weren't terrible. They historically could be up to like a thousand dollars for me to get there. But there there wasn't that wasn't like the five hundred-ish. And then I shared a truck and an Airbnb with two other friends from here in Salt Lake. So yeah, I had my squad Jackie Hering: Yes. Chen Lucas yeah. Yeah. You had your squad. That was so fun for you guys. Yeah. Skye: And ⁓ yeah, so I the placement really only matters for prize money, which is nice to not lose money. So yeah. Jackie Hering: Yeah, that's always good. So with all that, did that give you feelings about kind of like the rest of your season, how much you're gonna pursue Half Iron Man's, Iron Man's, or Triathlon, or is it still just feeling it out? Skye: Yes. Yeah, I would say it's still just feeling it out. Like my my feeling in this moment is probably I don't have another trath on on my radar. I was tempted by Boise because it's an easy to get to, but I think just because of how much more stress it puts on me and like my husband for me to try to train and even like just going to the pool and trying to be consistent with that. Like that just takes way more coordinating, way more like even my mother-in-law will come over to help so I can go swim, stuff like that. That I just kind of need a breather from that stress of like, I need to do this. Cause that's the thing is when you have a race on the schedule, you're like, I have to do this because you want to do well and whatever. So I am signed up for a couple gravel bike races. And so that's been fun because I really love to ride my bike and I've really wanted to do gravel races. Jackie Hering: Yeah. Yay. Skye: But when you're hardcore pro triathlete, don't usually like risk. you don't usually risk well, I don't, because I don't trust myself, I guess. But yeah, but in terms of triathlon, it's kind of I never set out this year honestly thinking I would even try to do Iron Man. I did have a few days in training where I felt amazing where I was like, I can do it, Iron Man, yeah. But then I'm like Jackie Hering: Some people some people do. Some people don't. Yeah. Yeah. Skye: No, it's like so I mean, of course I could if I wanted to. Yes, it's exactly. And those days are far and few. But yeah, no to Iron Man. ⁓ and you know what? Like, it all just depends what you're willing to give and what you're willing to be okay with. Like, is it worth the stress and the the sacrifice like that your entire family has to endure for me to train that way, you know? And then is it worth it to go. Jackie Hering: It's like six more weeks of that day. Whatever day that was. Yeah. Yeah. Skye: get seventh place. You know what I mean? And not that seventh is bad and it the placement doesn't matter, but like I always did this to be one of the best in the world and I I'm still pretty decent, but like is it is it worth is it's it has to be worth what it costs every single day, you know? And ⁓ it's just like it's just figuring that out, I guess. Jackie Hering: Yeah. Yeah. And you're the only one that can decide that because you know the kind of work it takes to to like get it done and and be more competitive. So it really is a matter as of yeah, if you decide you want to make you know, get that done or or not. So yeah. Skye: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and not to mention like the no, just like the the the support that I have and like Matt is very supportive of me, obviously, but like you know, it's not like my mom lives next door and I can just go drop Lois off whenever I want, you know? That of that would be I'd really nice, but like that's not my situation right now. So ⁓ yeah. There's there's just so many more variables. It's so funny, like Jackie Hering: Yeah. Skye: This is not on your bullet point, but I've been thinking a lot lately how like when you're a first-time pregnant athlete, you get a lot of attention and it's like, ⁓ you're you're gonna be a mom. And like, spoiler alert, pregnancy is the easy part. Okay. Like, pregnancy for me was the easy part because I could control my schedule and I didn't need to rely on anyone else and I could sleep reasonably well. And so anyway, it's just it's just funny to like look back on now, I guess. And to see other athletes. Jackie Hering: ⁓ yeah. Yeah. Skye: now get pregnant and it's like this is the fun part. I mean it's no, but yeah, well and you just don't know what you don't know. So anyway. It is great. Jackie Hering: You're like, good luck. Hope you like sleeping. Isn't it great? I know. It looks it it doesn't look as hard as it actually is, but then you figure it out. You figure it out as you go. ⁓ did you I mean, I thought you did a really, really good job making it to Kona. And I know that was kind of like a huge undertaking for you. You had to get the nanny, you had to do all that, and you really had to kind of, I mean, force it a little bit. Skye: Yes. Yep. Mm. Mm. Yeah. Yes. Jackie Hering: to make it happen. ⁓ was that just something that you personally wanted to do for you or did you feel part for you or part like pressured from sponsors or like what do you think was the main driving force on that? Skye: Yeah. Well, I th it's such a good question and I've reflected on this a lot of whether that was the best thing for me to do and maybe how things would look different now if I didn't force myself to do that. Because you're right, it was forced. Like I didn't want to leave my baby with a nanny when I did. I wasn't ready for that, but I did it because I was like, I have to start training and this is the best way to do it. ⁓ as for sponsors, I didn't Per se feel direct pressure, but there's always that underlying pressure of like my contracts are up this year. And so if I don't race at all, like will they re-sign me? And you know what? Maybe me racing, maybe I would have been better off not racing because then I showed my cards, right? I was like, ⁓ look, here I am. I'm not good. I don't know. I don't know, right? Like, I I have a lot less sponsors this year, I will say that. But ⁓ Jackie Hering: Maybe. Skye: I think I think for me, I am the kind of person who, like, when I say I'm gonna do something, I want to do it. Like when I say I'm gonna do something and I mean it, I am going to do it. And that's what Kona was for me. I told my sponsors that was my plan, and that was my plan. Like I had my mom, my mom works. I had her lined up to come to Kona like months in advance. I'm like, mom, make sure you clear your schedule. Like, can you come to Kona and support me? Like, this was the plan. It's what I wanted to do. And You know, I thought eleven months was enough time. I thought it was more than enough time for me to get really fit, but again, you don't know what you don't know. And Jackie Hering: Well, it's not even that you don't know what you don't know. It's just that everybody's journey, both pregnancy, birth, and return to sport is just so different. Everybody's body and psychology and circumstances, like everything is different. So it's that's where it's the most important thing for both pregnant and new moms and like moms of toddlers to like not get sucked down this. Skye: Different. Yeah. And circumstances. Yes. Jackie Hering: comparison thing. It's just like you can only focus on you and your family because there is no one else that's gonna be the same as you. And that's what's so hard, I think, is, you know, in in those early phases, you feel so lost because it's everything's brand new every single day and you're looking for answers and you're exhausted and you're at three Skye: Yeah. Yeah. No No Exactly Mm-hmm. And you're exhausted. Jackie Hering: 3 a.m. like scrolling Instagram look or Google looking for answers like a crazy person and the internet doesn't know they're gonna make you feel more crazy. Skye: Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, it's and I've reflected a lot on like, are we doing I love that women and mothers are being more supported. Like I'm so grateful. I had sponsors who supported me. That's another part I think that it was for me, Jackie, is that my sponsors supported me for the most part. There were a couple who didn't 100% support me, but for the most part, I was where very well supported through my pregnancy. And so I not that I felt like I owed it to my sponsors, but I was just like. I'm trying to get back to my job, right? Like this is what they they just paid me through pregnancy and I did my best to like represent them and post on social media and stuff, but ultimately I didn't slash couldn't race. And so I wanted to do that. But I don't know, like I love seeing that women are more supported it through pregnancy and sport and coming back. But like I sometimes wonder like if we're doing a disservice to women by making it seem like Jackie Hering: Yeah. Skye: Almost like you have to come back to be like a cool, like almost to be like, yeah, I'm a mom and I can do it all and I can come back. And I if women should e all get to choose, moms should all get to choose what they do, how they spend their time, their their tolerance for stress, whatever it is, sleep deprivation, everyone gets to choose that. But I just wonder like If how many of us, because myself included, I just wanted to be with my baby. And I didn't want to get back to training yet, even at like five months postpartum. I didn't want to get back to like hardcore training, right? Like I still wanted to be with my baby. And so anyway, it's an interesting thing. It's an interesting topic. And it's I don't want to sound like anti mom support because I'm not, but like I just reflect a lot on that because we see so much on social media about, yeah. Jackie Hering: Yeah. Skye: Moms doing it all, coming back super fast and like but every mom knows how hard it is. Jackie Hering: Yeah. Well I hear what you're saying. Yeah. And I think I think it's like showing all that, I guess two thoughts on that. Showing all that kind of creates a bit of unspoken pressure that is you're you've had your baby. Now it's time for your comeback, your get back in shape thing where it could also ⁓ Skye: Mm. Mm-hmm. Jackie Hering: lead to some pressure and kind of lead to like creating unnecessary stress when maybe, you know, the narrative could be something more like, we're supporting athletes, becoming moms. Like some moms get back to racing right away. And some moms ⁓ just decide they want to be mom. And and then and maybe they'll get back to it and maybe they won't. And then Skye: Mm. Yeah. Jackie Hering: you know, if you wanna stay involved in the sport, there's other ways to stay involved. So yeah, I Skye: Yeah. Well, and I I also wonder for myself, like if I had maybe just not raced at all last year, didn't get a nanny at all last year, and given myself that time, the time that I needed to be with my baby and to freaking get some sleep, right? Like how how are we supposed to train 20 hours a week when we're waking up two to three times every night? Like it's absurd. It's crazy. Jackie Hering: High tolerance for messed up sleep. I actually figured that out. And I think that's why. I mean, I didn't do any Iron Man's for sure for nine years. Like I wasn't training much. And you know how much I was training like 12 hours a week, but I was somehow as functional. I felt okay, but also maybe it's just a blur. Maybe I don't remember. Skye: Well that's good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Good. But any I just wonder like if I had given myself that time, maybe then and then I came back this year, like and maybe then I would have been okay with having a nanny. You know what I mean? Like it's a lot different leaving an eighteen month old versus a five month old with with a n with a nanny. Like she's so much she plays anyway. Anyway, there's just you live and learn though. So here we are. Jackie Hering: The time, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's so tiny. Yes. You do live and learn and you will have some gravel races. ⁓ and that'll be great. And you can see if you like that. And you're a beast, so maybe you'll be really good at those. Skye: Yes. Yeah. Or I'll be very afraid of the gravel. I don't know. We'll find out. Jackie Hering: ⁓ I mean, you gotta practice. I hope you're practicing. Skye: I will practice it the gravel seems I have ridden gravel before. I haven't not ridden ever, but yeah, I I'll make sure I ride some gravel. Well that's why I'm doing this like local low key, more low key one first. Yeah. Jackie Hering: You need to go practice. Yeah. Okay, yeah, that's good. Good. And then just follow the lines. That's actually the key, is just follow the lines of who's ever and they'll take you on your way. That's that's the way. Just don't be in front or you're gonna get yelled at for like taking a stupid like doing the corner wrong or something. That's what was happening to me. Skye: Yeah. Yeah, perfect. Perfect. Yeah. Well there's no like elite feel that this one and hopefully there's men in front of me and all that. And women for that matter. Yeah. Jackie Hering: Okay. Yeah. Yeah, you could just follow ⁓ Yeah. ⁓ let's let's rewind a tiny bit and I wanna hear about what I remember as like your most insane Iron Man. This was when I got back in after having kids. I was gone from 2016 through to like 2019 doing kids. Skye: Yeah. Jackie Hering: And I remember I first saw you and heard of you when I was running you down at Iron Man St. George. Skye: Yeah, that's when I remember you. Jackie Hering: And I was like, who in the world is this? And you got, I just pulled it up here on the Pro Try News site to look at the results. And you beat me by 40 seconds. And you got fourth and I got fifth. But, anyways, I remember then I was like clued in, like, okay, she's pretty good. And then you had that insane race at Iron Man Frankfurt and won. And I feel like that was like your breakout thing. Like, Skye: Whoa. Yeah. Jackie Hering: What happened what was going on in your early career before that? And then what happened as a result of that Ironman Frankfurt win? Skye: okay, what was going on earlier? Like, do you mean like how did I get to that point or Jackie Hering: Yeah, like you were racing quite a bit. Did you feel like you were just like building, building, building each year? Like were you getting sponsors? What was your Yeah. Skye: No, I wasn't really getting sponsors because I you gotta have like consistent good results and you gotta win result. You need to have wins. So 2016 was my first pro year, 20 and 2017, and I felt like I was pretty stagnant those couple of years. ⁓ like I didn't see a lot of big results. And then I think one of the key things for me is I switched coaches. Jackie Hering: A re big result. Yeah. Mm. Skye: I started training with Sarah Crowley under Cam Watt and I just was training so much harder and so much more, honestly. Like I I got like really fit. So then 2018 I got on a bunch of podiums actually. ⁓ definitely at definitely two that I know of, but probably more. Jackie Hering: Yeah. Yeah, I see that. You got two third places at seventy point threes and you got second at Iron Man Switzerland. Skye: Yeah. So and one of those podiums with was with Daniela Reef and Imogen Simmons. And that was like that first podium actually was 70.3 ⁓ Switzerland with Daniela and Emo. And that was a huge confidence boost for me. I think I'd run my fastest half marathon off the bike at the time. And like that was the confidence boost I needed to be like, okay, I can do this. Jackie Hering: ⁓ nice. Yep. Skye: And so I just kind of continued to build right through 2018. And I was just really committed to the long-term plan of becoming one of the world's best. And so 2019 was just a continuation of that. And then obviously winning Frankfurt, which is like one of the biggest Ironmans in the sport, like that I remember like my Instagram following doubled because of that race. And I didn't have a lot to start with. I think I had like Jackie Hering: Yeah. Skye: 2500 and then I was like over 5,000 overnight. And I was like, ⁓ my gosh, like people care. but that is when I started getting more attention from sponsors or more traction. Like I could get free product. Like before, no one would send me a freaking wetsuit or pair of it. Yeah, nothing. And the other thing is, I also won my first 70.3 a month after that. So I think I showed, like, yeah, like. Jackie Hering: Я Yeah. Anything. Yeah. ⁓ yeah. Skye: I came back in one bo boulder 70.3 a month later. and then I had my horrible bike crash, so I never got to go to Kona, but like I was getting ready for my yeah, but I was getting ready for my Kona debut. So like yeah, I just felt like the support and momentum was really building. And ⁓ yeah, th winning that race, and I think I think it was the culmination of winning after being consistent as well. Like Jackie Hering: ⁓ that was that year. Yeah. Skye: And then winning back-to-back races, yeah. It it opened doors for me like that. I went into 2020 with some sponsors. ⁓ and then of course we all know 2020 twenty didn't happen the way we all thought it would, but yeah, I was able to I felt like I had people who believed in me and I I felt like I was just still really on an upward trajectory. Cause cause not being able to go to Kona, that really Jackie Hering: Yeah. Skye: Like if you can go perform at Kona, that really solidifies like, okay, you're legit, you know. You can win a race, but if you go get twentieth at Kona, like not that I mean, really n not that anyone really cares about like even sixth, seventh, eighth place at Kona, but like it does show like if you can get top ten at Kona, people are very, very impressed, I would say. so yeah, that's did that answer your questions? I'm really trying to answer your questions. Jackie Hering: Yeah. Mm-hmm. That did no, no, but that did answer my question. And then you really, you know, even at Frankfurt, you ran what happened with your run is what got faster, because all of a sudden you were magically hitting three hours and then you broke a three-hour marathon. Like it looked like you did just like get better. So you must have just had Skye: It was ⁓ Yeah. Yeah. I did just get better. Jackie Hering: A jump in your running. Skye: Well, the run at Frankfurt particularly, it was literally like a hundred degrees for the entire marathon. So there was that too. Yeah, that is where I passed her because she passed out. Yeah. Jackie Hering: ⁓ yeah. I do remember that. That's where Sarah True passed out. She's onked out. I've passed her in that situation as well. That is rough for her. Yeah. Skye: Yeah. Rough for her. But yeah, I think it was I honestly think I mean now I can look back and say, ⁓ I should have fueled more because that was probably a big missing part. And I don't know if I started fueling more. I don't remember exactly what I was doing for fueling then, but I also think it was just the combination of putting the time in. And ⁓ yeah, I saw it Jackie Hering: And getting a lot more you know, you the more Ironman experience you get, it's like the fueling like you can fix a little something and every time and it can make a difference. Yeah. Skye: Yeah, yeah. Yes. Every time. Yeah, and I saw huge gains in my run. I would chop off like seven minutes off my PR. I did it like back to back, I remember, because I did it at Iron Man Florida. I don't did I run like a 303 there? Iron Man Florida in 2020. And then in 2021 is when I ran like 256 at Tulsa, high 256 and basically 257. Jackie Hering: ⁓ yes, you did. Three ⁓ three. Good memory. Yeah. Well, two fifty six two fift two fifty six fifty seven. Skye: Two fifty so I ran a two fifty seven. But anyway, the point is is that I just like chopped off like six, seven minutes at a time. And I I was like, Holy crap, I'm gonna keep going. But then it took me like a billion years to run sub three again. But I was then at that point I was very, very consistent at running like three ⁓ one, three ⁓ two, three ⁓ like very yeah. Jackie Hering: Two fifty seven. Yes. Yeah. Right. Which will really put you in the running for like most Iron Man podiums. Yeah, especially then. Now nowadays you gotta run to two forty something, two fifty for sure. Yeah. That's a little crazy. ⁓ yeah, so I mean it's good to look back on all that stuff and you've the good thing is like you did get to Skye: Especially then. Two fifty. Yeah, it's fun. Jackie Hering: To have a lot of success and a lot of wins. And I think that's probably why you can kind of take your time and be at peace is because you don't have this like fire in your belly, like, ⁓ I never won an Iron Man. ⁓ I never did this. I never did that. It's like you did a lot of great things and you can feel very proud of that. And also, you know, get into get into mom and and Skye: Mm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Jackie Hering: be with that too. So I don't know. I think I think you're doing great. Skye: No, I think you're thank you. And I think you're right, because I've thought about that too, right? Like, what is the point of it all for me now? ⁓ because when I got into triathlon and I knew nothing about it and I had no experience, I thought getting a top ten at Kona would be like career-defining, like a huge accomplishment, right? Like that seemed impossible. I was like this accountant sitting at a desk who had never even done an Iron Man branded event, but I was like, I'm gonna go be a pro. And so I thought I would watch Kona. Like that was the thing, right? I watch Kona every year. And I thought, man, if I could be top 10, that would just be totally mental. And like I've done that, you know, multiple times. So ⁓ yeah, and not that there's I certainly over the years started believing more. Like those years 2019 through 2020. Jackie Hering: Yeah. Skye: Twenty two, twenty three, it was like, yeah, no, I was going for the podium, right? At World Champs. Like that's what I was training for. And I believed in all that. But ⁓ yeah. You're right. I've accomplished a lot. So I think that's part of why for me when I'm sleep deprived and I'm exhausted, I'm like, why am I gonna torture myself through this? I'm like, I've already tortured myself for 10 years doing Iron Man training. And I raced a lot. Like I raced a lot. So yeah. Jackie Hering: Yeah. Yeah, you did. And I think, you know, it's good you've always been somebody who's really I don't know, you're like secure in yourself and secure in like who you are. And I think it's it's good to honor what your mind and your body are telling you. Like eat life has so many different phases and it's really not healthy to force. Skye: Mm-hmm. Jackie Hering: A phase to continue when it's not the right phase for you to be in. So maybe, maybe you'll be like me and you'll just like get back into it and just keep trekking into your 40s. ⁓ you got ⁓ you have so much time. Yeah. 37. Yeah, you got a lot of years if you want to, if you want to do it. I want to talk a little bit about. Skye: Yes. Yeah, I've I've still got time. I'm thirty seven. I've got time. Right. Jackie Hering: I guess the broad subject of women's racing right now, it feels like everybody's just getting really, really fast. ⁓ do you think it's because of gear, training, nutrition? Like, what do you think has changed the most in the last like five or six years that we're seeing such just Skye: Yes. Mm. Jackie Hering: such fast times and more and more people getting really, really fast. Skye: Okay. ⁓ well, I think it's everything, right? I do think it's a nutrition because even when I look back on my own fueling strategies in twenty nineteen versus what I was doing in twenty twenty three when I had like one of my one of my like best ever ⁓ Iron Man, I'm f I was fueling way more and I started fueling way more in training, which is huge. So ⁓ shout out to fuelin. I worked with them religiously throughout twenty three. Jackie Hering: Yeah. Skye: twenty to three and like I tracked like everything I ate and consumed for in training. Like I was so dialed on that. And it was awesome. Like I had the capacity to do that at that time and I loved it. ⁓ but it was a huge lesson in how important fueling was for everything. And Jackie Hering: What were you when you were tracking all that? Like what were you seeing and what you were tracking versus what your needs were? Or is that one where Fulin is the one. I've never used it. I have looked at it. ⁓ but it tells you, right? Like, okay, you're about to do this, you need this. ⁓ and Skye: Mm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They tell you how to train your set, like how to fuel your sessions based on the intensity, because you need to tell it like, okay, here's like a this is a zone four session or something. Like basically you just go through, you categorize all your workouts, saying if this is like a low intensity or a higher intensity session, and then it tells you how to fuel accordingly. But then it also gives you like meals and snacks around the training and like how many grams of carbs and fat and protein. Jackie Hering: Okay. Skye: But the biggest variable in all of it is just carbs. Like fat and protein pretty much stay the same every single day. It's the carbs that need to fluctuate with the training and training intensity. And ⁓ and then also loading yourself up with carbs before a big day. Like that, that can all make a really big difference in training. So yeah, I think nutrition is a huge part. I was definitely in a culture for a while that It was like, don't eat, like, try not to eat too much, try not to feel too much because you want to be skinny. And I never felt. Jackie Hering: think that is an old like mindset that did used to exist. Skye: Yes. No, it is. It is for sure. And lighter is not always better. It's usually not all better. ⁓ strong is better, fueled is better. So I think that is an era we are in right now, right? We are in a strong fueled era and it's proving to be you're you're more resilient, you can train more, you don't get injured, you can bounce back from races faster. Like that's a huge part of it. But then obviously the equipment's a big part of it, technology, like Wheels, tires, air pressure, everything's different. ⁓ I it's funny, like literally in 2018, I was running 23 mil tires with latex tubes. Like that's so far from what we're doing now. It's so crazy with like a hundred PSA. So that's crazy. That's different. ⁓ I don't know that the training is radically different. I don't really think the training's radically different. I think it's the fueling. Jackie Hering: I know. It's literally everything is different. Yeah. Skye: And the equipment. But then the other big thing that we are seeing is the short course girls coming up. And these women, like, no disrespect to Iron Man athletes of old. And even I would put myself in that category, right? Like, I'm not I didn't start swimming, like actually swimming till I like 26, 27. Okay. Like I'm not an elite college athlete, nothing. ⁓ these girls are serious that are coming through. Like they've been swim bike running since they were young, they they probably swam in college or some equ equal to that or ran in college. Like these are very, very elite ⁓ athletes who are it's just a different level. Short course, they have a different level of skill and ⁓ I'm not gonna say talent, but like it's just the skill. They've been doing this for a long time. And so when they come up, not all, not everyone, but like Jackie Hering: twelve. Skye: Most of the women, definitely most of the men, you see it on the men's side. Like what man is crushing it who didn't do short course? Jackie Hering: Not many right now. Yeah. Skye: Very, very few. There's still some women like Kat is crushing it, Laura Phillip, they're crushing it. And they didn't do short course, right? But the women and they're phenomenal. Like they are. But the women's field is also just not. We're lagging on the men's side, right? Like it's happening though. We're a little behind. And our fields are smaller. Like we have less pool. So I think that's also a really big part of it, honestly. Like, because like Slovak comes over and she's like, ⁓ yeah, I can run. Jackie Hering: Yeah, we're always a little behind. Like yep, and numbers are lower. Skye: I run twenty seconds per kilometer faster than that just for my ten K. So you know, like I it's just it's just slower compared Yeah. Yeah. Jackie Hering: Yeah. Yeah. Just they're used to doing things way, way fast. Yeah. Not everyone ⁓ translates. I mean, someone like Solvig, it's very interesting because usually I think there's like a period of time where you have to get they, you know, are getting used to the tri bike, they're figuring out fueling, they're like all the like nuances besides just straight up swim bike run, ⁓ Skye: True. Yeah. Jackie Hering: But some people like Solveg, it's just like immediate and she's like, ⁓ yeah, I I'm amazing at this. Skye: But she did also do seventy point threes even like a couple years ago. She's she dabbled, I think, more than anyone knew because you know, she wasn't a known name at the time. So you can go win like a small seventy point three and no one bats an eye because no one knows who you are. Jackie Hering: Yeah. Right. It's like, ⁓ random person won won this race. Skye: I also think though, like with that, I think it's changing, especially like in Kona, everyone's like, ⁓ you're a rookie. ⁓ you gotta figure this out. But now it's kind of like there's this formula and it's like if you do this training, if you do this fueling, and if you practice in training, like I mean, it's not bulletproof. Look at Yellow Gaines, he DNF'd his first Iron Man, but I think just people are just doing better in general earlier on because we just know more. And ⁓ Jackie Hering: Yeah. And the coaches know more and they're sharing it. I think I think the fueling is probably the biggest deal. I think for me overall, over the many, many years I've been doing this, that's probably what has changed the most. Just like the f like eating a lot during training, eating well in general, and then yeah, taking in a lot during the race. Like it's really not rocket science, but Skye: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ Mm. Jackie Hering: I think it does matter to to really be getting it in during training as well, to get your body used to it and help with recovery and and all that stuff. So it's just too bad gels are ⁓ well you don't you got a feed hat on. Gels are expensive. Yeah. Skye: ⁓ yeah. Yeah. They are, they are. I mean, there's some like the feed super high carb or somet that's the scratch name, but the feed high carb drink mix is very affordable. So if you that's a really good option. And yeah, there's other ways to get carbs in if you can't afford gels for every session, you know, candy, fruit. Don't tell the feed that. But yeah, like that's what I did before. Of course you have to practice. Jackie Hering: Yeah. With the stuff. Skye: But you can do like a hybrid. You could do a hybrid. We both have nutrition sponsors, so but there are ways to get the carbs in. Bananas. I love bananas on a bike, right? As long as they're not too brown. Yeah. Jackie Hering: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we do. It's true. Bananas Bananas are a great option, for sure. Can we do a quick I know you haven't done Iron Man Hamburg, but I wanna do a quick lap on who you think's gonna if you think we're gonna see a sub eight and we just gotta make our vote. If we think we're gonna see a sub eight and if we who we think's gonna win, I can remind you who's doing it. Skye: Mm. Okay, so remind me okay. I know a few, but give me a few more. Give me like the Jackie Hering: ⁓ I'm finding the start list. I'm not like an expert at navigating the website. ⁓ I got it here. Pretty quick. Hamburg. Yes, women's only. Solveg, Lisa Perder, Holly, Lottie Welms, Marjolaine, Indy, Laura Phillip. Skye: Here I can look it up. Mm, yeah, that's right. Jackie Hering: Those are the main Skye: Okay. And they went like eight ⁓ three last year or something, eight ⁓ one maybe? Where did they go? Jackie Hering: Yeah, they went 803 and that was with Laura and Kat who spent literally like all day together and then they were having like a running battle and they ran super fast. She wrote like smiling with one arrow bar, doo-doo. Skye: Okay. ⁓ yeah. And Slovae had her handle her arrow bars falling off. Yeah. She's so amazing. ⁓ I wanna I wanna vote for a sub eight. I think it's on people's minds. Yeah. I'm gonna I'll vote for it. We're gonna see a sub eight. Jackie Hering: I wanna vote for it too. Yeah. And I think Solvig's gonna do it. Skye: I that I want her to do it. That is so I will therefore vote that she will do it, yes. Jackie Hering: 'Cause think about it. Have you done like placid? Skye: No. But I've heard it's brutal. Jackie Hering: It's the death march. It's it's brutal. It's so hilly. She ran, I gotta just click on her. She ran like what? Something way too fast there. 246. In like placid. Skye: Yeah. Yeah. Two forty eight. Yeah, that's crazy. Last year. So she's even better now, probably. Jackie Hering: She's better. If you can run a 246 in Lake Placid, that means you can run like a 240 on a flat course. It's completely flat. You've got a crowd the whole way. It's the best Iron Man. Honestly, it's so fun. Skye: She's got better equipment probably. Right. ⁓ Yeah. Yeah. It looks awesome. European Ironmans in German Germany, they like racing over there's so fun. Yeah. Jackie Hering: Yeah. Was Frankfurt the type of course that was like packed with people? Skye: ⁓ yeah. Like the run, yeah. Even the swim, I don't know, is like at this little reservoir anyway. Yeah, there's just lots of people come out. Yeah. Jackie Hering: Yeah. I think that's you know, it's the course and then having the fans, like yeah. That makes a difference. All right. So we're voting yes. I think it could be. Skye: Mm-hmm. Yeah, they do a lot of loops on the run. We're voting sub A and we're voting Slovake and Is that this weekend? I know I'm excited for Holly. I'm excited to see how she does. She'll be great. She did so good at that T one hundred race. What, like last weekend? Two weekends ago? Jackie Hering: I think Holly. Yeah, that's this weekend. Yeah, she's, you know, her kid is what, the same age as yours? And she's somebody who ⁓ she just loves it, right? Like I think you love it, but I think she's like I don't know, every time I've trained with her, which is not that often, it's only when we're in weird locations, she's she's just like really Skye: Yeah, like a month older. Yeah. Yeah. Jackie Hering: enjoys it and it's it just seems to me at first I was like, you know, I'm always a little like I don't want to say judgy, but I'm always like, wow, how are they training this much? How are they getting ready for an Iron Man? Like it's crazy to me. But I don't think she it I don't know. I'm sure it was hard, but I don't know if it was as like like a forced activity for her. So I think she's doing good. Also, Sean Skye: Mm. Yeah. Jackie Hering: ⁓ her husband is like a full time wit like they're always together. So they've got they've got that set up. Skye: Yeah, she has he has Poppy. Yeah. Speaking of everyone's circumstance being different, like Holly's husband full time takes care of their child while she trains. And that's like I actually think off subject, not on your bullet point, but I think for tr like pro athletes, the ideal setup for a woman to come back is if the husband is full time support. Because I think mentally it's way easier to leave your baby with your husband. It's like Jackie Hering: Yeah. Totally. Yes. Skye: If your husband or your mom, like one of those two people can have your baby, great. Like it not that you don't still wanna be with them, but like the peace of mind. Yeah. Jackie Hering: Yeah. You do you do still wanna be with them, but you're also like, okay, they're building their relationship, like it's important for them. It's so good. Yeah. Skye: Exactly. Yes. And that you know they love them. It they're gonna be taken care of. So yeah, anyway, Holly has a great setup. It's I love I love that for her. And Poppy and like it's so fun to see them all traveling the world. It's it's ideal. It's ideal. And I'm sure it's still very hard. Yes. Like no mom. We're not saying Holly is still mothering, like Holly still does a lot. So yeah. Jackie Hering: Yeah, and and I think we know it is, yeah. You can't fool us, yeah. She does a lot. She really does. And she's a great mom. And she's also just smashing it. So I'm excited to see how she does. I think she could get on the podium if she has a day. But I know also I think there's a world where she goes like not like, I don't know if she has like a conservative mode in her brain, but there is a mode because I know that she wants to get to Kona and Skye: Yeah, love to see it. Yeah. Mm. Yeah. Jackie Hering: I know for a fact she's not interested in doing another Iron Man. So I think she would could go like, what's the like best possible kind of like my mindset into Texas? I'm like, I'm not gonna do anything that would cause me to blow up. I'm gonna do this as smart as possible. Just do the you know. Skye: Mm. Right. Just enough. How many slots are there in Hamburg? Three? Jackie Hering: There's gotta be quite a I think there's six because it's the like European championship. So she just needs to like do a pretty good job. Yeah. Like nothing crazy. I know there's six. Skye: ⁓ my gosh. ⁓ so she literally just has to like finish to her capability. Yeah. I'm gonna look it up. ⁓ okay. That's that's crazy. Jackie Hering: Yeah, but there's there's six really good people there who don't have slots. Like Marjolaine, I mean, there's a lot. There's a handful. So Skye: Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, she can't she probably can't have any devastating Yeah, but if you just put together a solid Yeah, a solid day, yeah, don't screw it up. Jackie Hering: You can't go like really slow. Just an yeah. No pressure. Yeah. Yes, that is. So some triathlon viewing if you ⁓ fancy that. Yeah. Or just save it for your the next trainer ride. That's that's what I do sometimes. Skye: No, that's exciting. So wait, that is this weekend? Yes. Okay. Fun. Yay! Yeah. I often just like turn on the marathon when I wake up. Hopefully they're still running the marathon when I wake up. You know, they might be finished by the time I wake up. We'll see. Jackie Hering: ⁓ yes. Yeah, for sure. ⁓ that's good. ⁓ okay, let's do we've got a few minutes left. I haven't done this much, but I want to do a few just like rapid fire. ⁓ my gosh, my watch just said bedtime. 8 30. ⁓ my. ⁓ Skye: Good for you. Eight thirty. When do you go to bed, by the way? Jackie Hering: ⁓ yeah, like about now I'm tucking in the kids usually and then I kind of brush my we don't have to hurry. It's fine. I we survived so far. Okay, let's go. Best place you've ever trained. Skye: Okay, okay. We'll hurry. ⁓ It's hard to just wrapper f okay, besides at home, because home is sometimes very good. I will say Saint Maritz, Switzerland. Yep. Two summers there. Very nice. Yeah. I know. Jackie Hering: Besides at home. Of two summers? Wow. Did you was that when you were with like Sarah Crowley? Was that that phase? Okay. Skye: Yeah, that was Tri Sotto. Yep. Yeah. 'Cause tr ⁓ yeah. It's very fun there. Jackie Hering: yeah, I that's a place where I always look at it and I'm like, man, in some world, how? Skye: Beautiful. You should go. I want to take Lois just to like spend a couple weeks, like a month there in the summer when she's a little older, just because it's so beautiful and so fun. Like there's just pristine trails and all this amazing stuff. Take the fam. Take the fam. Jackie Hering: That would be nice. ⁓ gosh. I guess maybe now's the time, I'm not sure. I asked this to Grace Theck, and I'm gonna ask you the same. What do you think is the biggest misconception about pro triathletes? Skye: Mm. Jackie Hering: If there is one. Like when somebody's like, I'm a pro triathlete. Skye: ⁓ yeah, okay. Jackie Hering: You know, what ⁓ what do you think that people are thinking that that is not actually true about it? Skye: ⁓ okay, here it is. I have a couple, but like what a complete outsider always thinks is that I don't eat any cookies or like hamburgers or pizza. They're like, you must eat ho so healthy. And I'm like, yes, I do. I eat very nutritious food, but I need calories. And so yes, I'm having dessert. Like, hand that over. They're like, you probably don't eat this. Like they think we don't. Or they think we don't eat. I know, I'm like, do you know how many calories I burned? Jackie Hering: Yes. Yeah. Like they're gonna not give us dessert. Like you don't need any cake. I'm like, ⁓ yes, I need cake. Are you kidding me? Skye: That is honestly, I get very annoyed with that. They're like, You don't even eat. You must not eat. And I was like, No, I I need to eat. I can't do what I do if I don't eat. And then I would say in like the pr in the triathlon world, I think maybe a misconception for pros is like people think that every pro has like access to all the gear and tech and support that they need. That's not true. That's not true. Jackie Hering: Right. Yeah. It's literally the top like three women. Literally three. Maybe, maybe Skye: Yeah. Yeah. And trust me I would know because I used to have like all the support, okay? Like and now I don't. So yeah. Yeah. Jackie Hering: Well, I've never had any I've never had much like I think in terms of like the support that you're thinking of. ⁓ Skye: You're amazing. Right, it's like having all the gear that you need provided, top gear provided through sponsorship or like given to you, you know. Not Jackie Hering: Maybe I kind of do. Skye: Yeah, but you know what I'm saying though, like or or even like wind tunnel testing. Like, no, like no one ever I couldn't get that. I had to pay for my own aero testing. Like you don't we don't all just have access to all the best everything. And you have to pay for it. Jackie Hering: Yeah. Right. Yeah. Right. And that is where and that's actually the hard part sometimes I think. Like when you're an up-and-coming athlete and you're like grinding, you're making a thousand bucks at a race, but then also you're not getting all your stuff for free. And you know, it's like there is a bit of disadvantage there because it's like the better you get, the more stuff you get, the more money you get, the more advantages you get. Skye: Mm. I know. Mm. Yep. Yep. Yes. The better you sleep at night. No, I know exactly. No, the it is it is possible to get to the top. It is absolutely possible. But there are there's a huge disparity between the top and then like even tenth tenth in the world. Like especially on the women's side, I think. But anyway, yeah. Jackie Hering: And then you're at the front of the race, you got the dang you got the dang moto. Like boom. It is, yes. Middle. Yeah. That Skye: Being a pro does not mean that you get the same treatment as a pro that other pros have. And you do have to really earn it and only if you get it, so Jackie Hering: ⁓ okay, one last rapid fire on the absolute ⁓ opposite topic, which is if any, is there one piece of parenting advice that is the best you've ever received or that has helped you in some way that that you really think of often and really like has has stayed with you as a parent? Skye: Well, it's probably from you, Jackie, because all the best parenting I don't know it's not necessarily parenting advice. It's more just mom advice. ⁓ and I think it's something you said to me, and you said it's your motherhood too. Like this experience, yes, I care deeply about Lois and how she's taken care of, but this is also my experience. ⁓ Jackie Hering: Yeah. Skye: And so how do I want to experience it? Like I think about that a lot because it's a profound life experience and the best life experience. And yeah. So I think I've reflected a lot on that. So that's probably it. and then not comparing and all of that. It's all just kind of like all encompassing. But yeah. Yeah. Jackie Hering: Yeah. ⁓ that's nice. Yes, that's very, very important thoughts to to keep with you on a regular basis for sure. Well, we are almost exactly one hour. We could end it on an hour and do something perfect for today. Let's do it. We got a few seconds. ⁓ you have to say what you're loving right now, and that's gonna be the end of our show. In 15 seconds. Just kidding. Skye: Amazing. Okay, twenty seconds. ⁓ my gosh. Okay. I I am loving sleeping through the night. I am loving sleeping through the night. I feel like a different person. It's amazing. It's amazing. Yeah. Yes. Jackie Hering: Yay. That is so good. I also love that. All right. Well, thanks for coming on, Sky. I'm so glad to chat with you. And if you fire your podcast back up, I'll come back on there. because I know your listeners are just waiting for sky's the limit. Skye: Okay, yeah. I'll hold you to it. Yeah. Sky with Jackie Herring, yes. Jackie Hering: Yeah, they're just waiting. But yep, thanks for the chat and we'll keep track of your gravel racing. I can't wait to see how that turns out. yeah, should be good. All right. Well, thanks everyone out there for listening. I will talk to you next week. Skye: Thanks, Mr. Thanks. Yeah, me too. Me too. Yeah. Bye.