Jackie: Hey everyone and welcome to the Women's Race Podcast. I'm your host, Jackie Herring. This is a podcast where we dive deeper into women's professional triathlon by chatting with pro athletes, talking through races, and sharing some of the things that we deal with as pro-women. We like to celebrate when women have great results and also like to talk through things that they may be struggling with on a day-to-day basis. This episode, I'm gonna create a theme which I haven't told my guest yet. But I would like the theme to be resilience. And I think she's a great guest to talk about that. As endurance athletes, we all know that progress is rarely a straight line. There's breakthrough performances, but there's also injuries and setbacks and surgeries and disappointments and moments where you have to decide, do I want to keep going? And so today's guest, Lisa Bacharis, I think to me is somebody that really embodies resilience. She's somebody that has kind of gone through a lot of ups and downs. And we are celebrating her first podium at Montreblant last weekend. So Lisa, thank you. I have so much more I could say about our many times seeing each other at races and stuff, but we'll get into all that. First off, just good job at Tromblant. And how are you doing? Lisa Becharas: Thank you. Thank First of all, thanks for that wonderful intro. ⁓ and it's Bacaris. Don't worry though. Don't worry. Don't I no no no, don't worry. Everyone does. Everyone who knows me, even like my closest friends, are like Lisa Beccaris. And even in our our triathlon podcast, our jingle at the beginning, AI couldn't get my pronunciation right. So it's just it's just Lisa Beckeress. And that's what we're going with. So Jackie: ⁓ my gosh, I say it different every time, I'm so sorry. ⁓ what a life. I'm so sorry. Lisa Becharas: It's okay. Maybe I should just actually take my husband's last name, but it's Pasevich. It's it's Pasevich. Exactly. So I'm like, we're gonna ride with the carrots for for a little while longer. ⁓ but yes. I'm doing ⁓ Jackie, I can like bear I actually today is the first day I can walk pretty much normally. Jackie: You should What is it? There you go, another last name you're gonna have to explain every time. ⁓ my goodness, that is funny. Lisa Becharas: I absolutely destroyed from that race. My quads and my poor little calves are they are just they're not doing well. They are. They need some extra TLC. Jackie: ⁓ They're just babies. They just they're special. Yeah. Yeah, is it because I know you've said before, it's like when you put on the super shoes it just like blows them to smithereens? Lisa Becharas: I that's for sure definitely part of the whole calf problem. But also like going into this race the longest run I did was an hour and I did that one time. And I've barely been running into this race. So it was a big ⁓ I I was expected to be extra smashed. I was like, I know it doesn't matter how fast or slow I run at this race, I'm gonna be useless for a week. So here I am. Jackie: Mm. Okay, so with the how did you decide to do that race, if that's what was going on? What was your motivation? Lisa Becharas: like I was healthy. Like I am healthy and I had missed so much of like the first part of the year of racing. And I really wanted to give myself like one opportunity to qualify for 70.3 worlds. And I had it like I I raced we raced in Augusta last year. That was basically the only time opportunity I gave myself to qualify last year, and then missing the first part of this year. I was like, this is the last opportunity I have. I know it's a really long shot. Like I have I don't have enough training under my belt for this to like be a great race, but ⁓ we're just gonna like put it out there and see what happens. And I don't know. So sometimes you roll the dice and it goes one way and sometimes you roll the dice and it goes the other way. So I figured I was in a place where I was healthy enough to actually roll the dice. So yeah. Jackie: Well yeah, and you always have enough swimming and biking under your belt, so at least you can kinda just like ride till the wheels fall off and then see what happens. Pretty much. Lisa Becharas: I no, seriously, that's what I learned from this race. I was like, wow, my bike fitness is like quite good right now because it just completely carried me through the run. Like, I should not have been running. Like, granted, I didn't run that fast in comparison to other girls, but it's like very much a a ⁓ normal-ish run for me. And I should not have been able to do that. I thought I was gonna run like over an hour 40. Like I ran Zero mi zero miles under seven minute pace, like coming into this race. I did one workout. So yeah. So it was Jackie: Yeah. That's that's amazing. Well, let's let's rewind just a little bit because I think we maybe not everybody knows your whole ⁓ story. So I just want to get like the summary of I guess kind of when you got into triathlon. Let's hear a bit about your ⁓ you had like a multitude of surgeries. ⁓ let's just hear a bit about since the theme is resilience, I kinda wanna just cover like Lisa Becharas: Mm-hmm. Jackie: what you've gone through as an athlete, how you've made your way back each time, and and just the things you're kinda learning along the way. Lisa Becharas: Yeah. I th well, I did my first triathlon in twenty fourteen. I was ⁓ coaching collegiate cross-country and track down at a small university in Illinois. And at the time I was a graduate assistant. So I was coaching and ⁓ going to grad school and all my other friends were other graduate assistants for the other sports. And I was hired on full time for that university, but everyone else was like leaving for the summer, like going and getting, you know, other jobs. And like this is a small town in central Illinois. And I was like, I there's there goes all my friends for the summer. Like, what am I supposed to do? So then I signed up for a half iron man because I thought that would be a great way to like spend time. And the time I actually signed up for it, I didn't own a bike. I was like, we're just gonna figure this out. And ⁓ I bought like a used, like, I don't know, it was like six hundred buck aluminum dollar, six hundred dollar aluminum bike, like road bike. ⁓ got connected with a local trathlon group in central Illinois and yeah, did did ⁓ 70.3, did a sprint, did Olympic that first summer. And ⁓ I will I won't I'll say that I wasn't automatically like hooked to the sport because coming from like a running background, like running is so simple. You just have your shoes, you don't need anything else, but trathlon is like you have so much stuff and you need so much stuff. So And I also didn't understand this like riding bikes inside. So I would only I'd run year round for my first three years of triathlon. And then I would just like swim and bike in the summer as well. And then I didn't do anything else. I was like, Why would you ride your bike inside? And why would you s have to swim in the winter if you're not racing? So ⁓ that was my philosophy. And ⁓ Jackie: Yes. I wish we could actually just ⁓ make a truce to just all live by that philosophy. Can we just do it? I'll do it. Lisa Becharas: Yes. I'm I I'm in. I'm like, I only ever want to swim never, but it Jackie: Yeah, but second to never is we can do it in the summer. Lisa Becharas: The summer. But like what if we put limitations like that on everyone and then it was just like we're all given ten hours a week. Let's like you can use those ten hours however you want and then we'll race each other and whoever, you know, figure it out. I don't know, it'd be kind of fun. Jackie: ⁓ I would love that. I can get pretty fit. Actually I need I need like twelve. 'Cause then you can get at least a few you know, you gotta the long ride takes so many hours. You really need Lisa Becharas: Okay. Yeah. Wow. But it would be like a fun experiment to see like, you know, who would actually be the best off of like ten to twelve hours a week of training. Jackie: Maybe when everyone retires in like this phase of athletes, we like we could just do that. Lisa Becharas: We can do it. Well, I'm thinking we get into really competitive relays. Like yeah. Perfect. I'll bike and we'll just find someone to swim for us. Yeah. Yeah. Jackie: I would I'd be down. I'll be your runner. Yeah. Someone likes swimming. Anyone out there, anyone. There's not many of them. Okay, so you so you started like with a dabbling method. That's a nice method. And then eventually it looks like twenty eighteen was your first pro season. Lisa Becharas: Yeah. So I was doing this like collegiate coaching thing, training just in the summer. And then a couple of people started chirping in my ears. Cause I would ri win most like all the local races, but you're a a big fish in a very small pond. But they were like, Lisa, you could do this professionally, you could be elite. And I was like, No, I can't. You're delusional. But then that kind of started to get to me and I was like, Maybe I can. And I got my elite license at one of those ⁓ escape series races back in the day when those existed. And ⁓ I was like, all right, I'm gonna do this professional triathlon thing. I got a job out in Boulder, Colorado, as like a glorified like office manager type of position. And I was like, this is it. I'm gonna go to Boulder. Like my dreams are gonna come true. I'm gonna be a a ma like this is what it's what's gonna happen. And yeah, so that 2018 was my first year and I got my butt absolutely handed to me. Jackie: Yeah. Lisa Becharas: that entire year and for the next like multiple years. But it was such a humbling experience. I learned a ton. And I like for me it needed to happen that way. To like I needed to go through and we can talk about this too, but like go through all those ups and downs and setbacks to like, I don't know, learn a lot about myself and just be really appreciative of when things are going well to just really soak it in. And I think when things When you're used to doing well in races all the time, like I think we lose that a little bit. You're like, ⁓ it's always going well. So when you have a bad race, it's like, Wait, what is this? I've n I haven't had one of these in a long time. So I don't know. It it's been help it's helped to keep me a little bit more grounded. Jackie: Yeah, that's good. Yeah, I you know, it's very tempting to go like Lionel method when you have a bad race and just like chuck everything out the window and start over a whole new system, whole new thing, but that's not always what needs to happen. Sometimes just you have like a bad race and it or you or you just don't or you have a decent race and you don't win or you don't do as good as you maybe thought you would. It's a yeah, it's but figuring out your expectations and Lisa Becharas: ⁓ Jackie: Finding finding the balance that works. Lisa Becharas: Yeah. I don't think we can have good races every time we race. Like I just I don't think it's possible. Like even the best even the best like Christian Blumenfeld has like a disastrous race every now and then, you know? Like it has to happen. Jackie: There's too many. Yeah. So you did like no running in twenty nineteen. What happened back then? Lisa Becharas: ⁓ yes. ⁓ so in twenty nineteen, this is how I actually like met you was when I was working at Altred and ⁓ that was I was trying to think earlier today, I like, when did I actually first meet Jackie? And I think it was like at ⁓ Jackie: Yes. Yeah. It was at an expo you were working for Altred. Yes. Lisa Becharas: Yes. It was that steelhead up in Michigan. And ⁓ they were like, Do you know Jackie? I was like, I have no idea who Jackie is. And then I was like, ⁓ Jackie Jackie: In twenty eighteen or twenty nine? Lisa Becharas: I think maybe twenty eighteen. I feel like you did you win that? Jackie: 2018, it was my f ⁓ let me click on it. That was my first race back after having Skylar. Like she was like six months old or something. ⁓ I got second. Barely. What in the world? Sarah Haskins. So at least somebody legit. Lisa Becharas: Okay. Okay. Who won? Okay. Well, I just remember yeah, I was like, I don't know who Jackie is and then he finished second. I like, Okay, now I know who Jackie is like but Jackie: Well, right, 'cause you had started and I was like not racing. Anyhow, I met you in Steelhead. Yes, you were like working in the R V. They're like Lisa Becharas: Yeah. Yeah. So in in in twenty eight, twenty, they actually I would they would fly me out to like random expos before I was working for them full time. And then in twenty nineteen I started working for them full time and I did like va van life. So it was just me on the road traveling to expos and like, you know, th throwing around beat pills and ⁓ doing that whole thing. And I was like, this is amazing because I'm gonna have no rent. Like I'm gonna get a salary. I'm gonna already be at all these races. So like all my travel expenses are gonna be paid for. And then I was dealing with this like ongoing calf issue, which ended up being compartment chronic exertional compartment syndrome. But I was at these races. I had already bought like the Iron Man Pro membership. So I was like, okay, I guess I'm just gonna like swim and bike a lot of them. So I literally like swam, bike, and DNF'd. And I know there's some mixed feelings around doing that, but like I wasn't ever really impacting the race. But I will say that I learned so much. Like I gained so much experience doing that. And so I was like very grateful to have had that many starts of races just because I think it made me a little bit more seasoned of a swim biker. Jackie: ⁓ for sure. I mean, that's the biggest experience is like how to execute the swim, like the dyn dealing with the dynamics on the bike and and things like that. That's extremely useful. And I mean, yeah, around then you were swimming like twenty eight to thirty some minutes. So you're not like up at the wavefront completely like dictating the race. I think that's it's like when Vittoria Lopes does the race. Lisa Becharas: Yeah. Jackie: That's when it pisses people off because she's like literally leading the race. ⁓ and then she just pulls out. Lisa Becharas: Yeah. Yeah. And then and then she pulls out. And then I've all of a sudden we're all up another place. I'm like, I was in fourth and now I'm in third. Why do I have a biker behind me? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jackie: Yeah. I mean it's fun for us in the back because then we're like, score, I'm I'm doing better. But for people chasing her down, that probably does suck. But yeah, so you had was it just one calf or both? You had the compartment syndrome on. Lisa Becharas: Yeah. Yeah, so it was just one calf or so I like th to do this, like to test for it, they take this like big needle and you're like resting and they stick this needle into like f you have four different compartments in your calf or like lower leg and they test the pressure and then you run on a treadmill and then they test the pressure at a g again in all those compartments. So you get stabbed sixteen times. and but so I did read high pressure in both legs. Jackie: No Lisa Becharas: But my daughter and I was like, okay, well, let's just do this surgery, like do this fasciatomy in both legs. Like, and they're like, No, no, no, we're not gonna we're not gonna do surgery on an asymptomatic leg, Lisa. So I just got surgery on my right lower leg and I got that at the beginning of 2020. It took like nine months to actually diagnose this thing and figure out what was going on. So beginning of twenty twenty, right before the world shut down, like I got an electric elect elective surgery. Which like they shut all those down, like when COVID happened. So it was it was good timing. Jackie: ⁓ yeah. Wow. Yeah, my ⁓ husband was a in orthopedic sales at that time. So it was actually like 'cause he was like in the surgeries all the time. And so most of his surgeries were not elective. It was like someone needs, you know, a wrist or whatever. ⁓ but they didn't allow sales reps to be in there. So he was still they were still doing the surgeries using his products, but he didn't have to work at all. Lisa Becharas: Nice. ⁓ yeah. Heart yeah. Jackie: It was actually amazing. So Yep. Yeah, just give him a call. It's all good. No. That's kind of crazy you got that in and then perfect for recovery. You didn't have to miss a thing. Lisa Becharas: That is amazing. You're like, I don't know, just call me if you need help in surgery. That's amazing. Yeah. And it was it was super great too. And like that was the year everyone just like did fun adventures like outside. Like everyone rode their bike a ton, I feel like. And and then when races came back on, they were like super weird and the PTO was putting on those races in weird locations, but throwing prize money at ⁓ I don't know if you ever did if you did any of those. Jackie: I did all the initial ⁓ PTO stuff. Yeah. Before it was T one hundred, I was like I really liked it. Lisa Becharas: Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. I wish that was would go back. Jackie: I n yeah, well, yeah, it's just they're trying to find their way. ⁓ who knows what's gonna happen. I mean, they ha I still can't even understand. Is that contender? You are somebody trying to do like the contender series. Does that exist? What is this? Lisa Becharas: Yes. Yeah. No, that doesn't exist anymore. It was just a a f ⁓ flash in the pan. It was just last year. But we did get paid. I did get paid for participating. And yeah, yeah, yeah. Jackie: That's nice. Somebody sent me a thing and said, like, ⁓ you're this ranked in the contender series. I go, what? What am I contending in? I didn't. And like multiple people were telling me I'm I'm getting paid. I'm like, this there's no way. And sure enough, there was no way, unfortunately. So nice. Yeah. Lisa Becharas: Yes. No. I know that would have been nice though, right? I didn't do anything, but yeah, just send it send it over. ⁓ Jackie: Well, that was how the rankings felt for a little bit there. Lisa Becharas: Yeah, they're just handed out money. I miss those days. You're just like, ⁓ you were ranked, whatever. We'll give you a couple thousand and you're like, perfect. This is a lot of money for me. Like this is a lot. Yeah. Jackie: I know. Yeah, it was quite helpful. Yeah, that was really good. ⁓ Well, I mean and you just had that, came back. I think it's like since then, has it been just small stuff? Or it it's just you're so like, it's no big deal. I barely even go to the doctor. I'm like it's scary to me, but Lisa Becharas: I know that was like the first of four major orthopedic surgeries. And that one when it was happening was like a big deal to me. I was like, ⁓ my gosh, this is like, am I ever gonna run again? Like, and that like the recovery was way shorter than the other surgeries that I had. ⁓ so that was in 2020. In 2022, I had a hip surgery on my right hip to repair had formoral acetabular impingement and the cam lesion and a labrum tear. So They went in, shaved off like part of the head of my femur, made it fit a little better, repaired my labrum. And then, well, actually, funny story is five days before I got that surgery, I was mountain biking with my now husband. But we had like just we were in like the early dating phase at that point. And I like I ate it, like doing nothing cool. I just ate it and I landed like super man out. And ⁓ I was like, ⁓ my shoulder, that kind of like hurts when I did that. Jackie: Yeah. Lisa Becharas: But like whatever. Well, I the worst part was I had like scrapes all over my like elbows and on the hip that they were supposed to do surgery on. And that's like a no no. Like you're not supposed to go to surgery with like wounds. Like but anyways, they did the surgery still. And then a couple weeks after that I was like, I feel like my shoulder should be getting better. ⁓ because like I'm just sitting around doing nothing. And it ended up getting an MRI on that shoulder. Jackie: Yeah. Lisa Becharas: I had torn my rotator cuff when I crashed my mountain bike. But thankfully, my surgeon ⁓ she did hips, knees, and shoulders. So she we just got another little so ⁓ surgery in the shoulder to repair that a few months after that first hip surgery. And then we were like smooth sailing. I was back, I was racing, I was building. And then I started getting the same symptoms in my opposite hip. So in ⁓ August, basically a year later from my first hip surgery. Jackie: No Lisa Becharas: I got the second hip done. ⁓ yeah, so it was like a Jackie: Is that like a genetic thing or why why was that happening? Lisa Becharas: I so I think it's part genetic, but I also think it's partially like you hear it a lot more frequently in triathlon and cycling now. And I think it's because we're in such a bent over position at our hip that like the way that the hip joint works, like when you're in more flexion, like it's the femur's like rubbing up on it. And if you have a little like bump, like that mine was called a cam lesion, it like tears more into the labrum. And so that was probably what was happening and causing it. I think if I was just a runner, I wouldn't have had these issues. But so I think it was like part genetic, but also part just like doing a ton of riding. Yeah. So ⁓ but knock on wood, hopefully we're we're good now. It's been a few years since I've had a surgery. Jackie: Yeah. Competitive. Yeah. ⁓ yeah, you're totally good. And you've been like improving, improving, I'd say. Like your swim. Sometimes you swim with me. Lisa Becharas: No. Well, I feel like you're the same as like sometimes I'm like, I could have a great swim and sometimes I can but have a terrible swim and I don't know why. I don't know what happened. I just I just get out of the water and I'm like, I'm either gonna be two minutes up or two minutes back, but it's never gonna it's always gonna be in that like four minute range. Jackie: Like what happened? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, generally. I think for me sometimes I just like get lazy or space out like literally at the wrong time. I'm just like, ⁓ I wonder what's over there. And then it's like, there goes the people I'm supposed to be swimming with. Lisa Becharas: Yes. Yeah. Do you think like the people who are swimming at the front of the race at the do you think that happens to them? Or do you like think that like Lucy Charles is just like swimming really hard the whole time and is focused? Cause like I Jackie: I think she's super focused. I think if you're at the wayfront, well, we should ask ⁓ but I think if you're at the wayfront, you're like buoy, buoy. You don't have to really think much about other people at the way way front. I think in those first groups though, I think they are like trying to hold on to each other's feet. I don't know. I'll try to maybe I can get some fast swimmers on here. Lisa Becharas: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, get the fast swimmers and ask ⁓ what their tricks are. Jackie: Yeah, we need to learn everything. I'm already copying Hannah Wells ⁓ or Hannah Berry, whichever, her ⁓ swim workouts. So I don't know if that's doing anything. We'll see. Yeah. Well, I like it when I'm a little ahead of you out of the swim because then I have enough time to like compose myself. And here's what I do when you're in the race. I go, all right, Lisa's behind me. Lisa Becharas: ⁓ perfect. Yeah. Jackie: I'm gonna try to bike hard. Like, I'm I'm trying to bike hard. I'm like, I'm gonna maybe catch who's ever in front of me. But most of all, Lisa's coming. And I give myself this pep talk: like, when Lisa comes, you cannot let her go away. Like, this is it. It's ride or die. You're going with Lisa no matter what. So I really miss it when you're not in races because it's like we're going. Lisa Becharas: Ha ha ha Jackie: And I'm gonna hang on for dear life. Lisa Becharas: And mine is like, Okay, when I get to Jackie, I just have to drop the hammer down so hard so she doesn't try to hang on to me because I'm not outrunning her. Jackie: That does feel like what happens because sometimes when you come by me it's like we're going over two hundred and fifty watts for however long we can, pretty much. It hurts. Lisa Becharas: Yeah. And then it has to have to settle at some point. But yeah, it is funny the dynamics because it is you have those people that like you really enjoy racing with. They're like you you usually know how the dynamics of the race are gonna play out. And it's just like like it's like, ⁓ will Lisa get a gap to Jackie? Or like, will Jackie ride with Lisa the whole time? Or are they gonna come on the swim together? Like I have that with like Grace Alexander too. I'm like, will Jackie: Yeah. Lisa Becharas: Like, is Paula in the race? Is she gonna just ride with Paula? Am I never gonna catch them? Or is Grace gonna fall back and I'm gonna catch Grace? Is she gonna hang on my wheel? Like, and it's just all those little it's fun racing the same people a lot, just cause you kind of have an idea of what to expect. And ⁓ I don't know. Opposed to like going to a race where you're like, I don't know who any of these people are and I don't know how to tab. Yeah, that was kind of like Montreblan. I was like, I I f I felt so old. I was like, Jackie: Yeah. Isn't that weird? Lisa Becharas: There's ⁓ there's thirty women here and I don't know who like twenty five of them are. Jackie: What? That's how I feel at every race. And and I know that that I'm definitely like a elder person because girls come up to me, like young girls in their 20s, and they say, Hi Jackie, I'm so and so, and they introduce themselves and it's so sweet. I feel like I'm like the mom. And they're like coming to like say hi to me and I don't know what. Yeah. Lisa Becharas: Yeah, you're like That's awesome. Yeah. That is. You are you? Jackie: But I do really like it. There are a lot of young ones, like way a lot. Lisa Becharas: Yeah. Which is yeah, I can't keep track of all of them yet. But when I'm sure when they start kicking my butt I'll be able to keep track of them. Jackie: Yeah, it happens. I met a girl out on course at ⁓ at Happy Valley. I like caught up to her at the end of the well, towards the end of the bike ride. I caught up to her and I was like, I got no clue who this chick is. And then she had a faster transition than me because I was duoing around and talking to people and stuff. And I came out and run by her and I'm like most awkward thing ever to do during a race. I'm like, Hey, what's your name? Like, we're running. She's like breathing. It's like, hi, I'm Carolyn. I go, ⁓ hey, I'm Jackie. She goes, Okay. See you later. Lisa Becharas: Nice to meet you. Bye. That's awesome. Jackie: Nice to meet you. Have a good time. But she's a very good swimmer and she's decent. Stayed ahead of me most of the bike. Of course I was whatever. We should not talk about my race. That's a whole bad story. Did you meet the ⁓ let's talk about Tromlant because you had a great race. I want to hear about your race, but first, did you know this gal who got first place? Ariella something? Lisa Becharas: Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ I did I had done a little research just ⁓ before the race. Like, you you just type up results and you can look up results. And I knew that she was ⁓ like she had outbiked like Margeline Pur Pierre by like two minutes or something at V I Valencia maybe Valencia or something. So I was like, ⁓ she must be like like good and I don't yeah, a strong cyclist. ⁓ but so I didn't but I've never raced against her. I didn't really know what she like who she was. Jackie: Yeah. Okay. Lisa Becharas: But but so I'm like was excited when I got to the front of the bike race. And then we get to like mile twenty one. It's like an out and back or like a turnaround point. And she comes flying past me and I'm like, Where did you come from? And I like I'm I'm getting better at this. I'm like, I at least you don't need to have like an ego on the bike. Like you just need to like ride your race to the best of your ability. ⁓ and but this girl was so arrow. Like she was like Jackie: I saw a picture of her. Yeah. Lisa Becharas: She's like folded in half and I was like, There's no way I could ever be there arrow because I would for sure need like more hip surgeries. Like there's and I was like she pretty much made a gap right away and like ⁓ just on the flat, like she just pulled away and I was like, I feel like I'm riding pretty well right now. Jackie: Wow. Like how hard were you going when she pulled away? Lisa Becharas: I was probably riding like two hundred forty watts. Like a and Jackie: And and she just goes bye bye. And you're not and in your head were you like, I should try to go with her, or were you like, I'm gonna be mature? Lisa Becharas: Yeah. I it was a little bit I was like, okay, like keep her like keep her in your s like keep her in your sights, like and then but I was like, but she's riding really hard. But I would catch up to her when there was like an incline. ⁓ 'cause she I was riding most of them like in arrow and she would get out of the saddle and like stand up and stuff. So I'd like close the gap quicker. ⁓ and there was a point I like went in the red, so I had to go around her and then I was in front for like a handful of miles, but then she came past me again and I I never saw her again. I was like, Okay, I'm like I kind of feeling it, like I wanna just try to have a complete race that to the best of my ability. So I was like, it's not it's not worth my while to just try to like absolutely crush myself. And I don't know if I could have. Yeah, honestly she was writing so well. I was like Jackie: Yeah, well, you and her you were kinda out of the swim. Lisa Becharas: Apparently together. I had no idea. Jackie: Apparently. But you didn't know it you probably didn't know what was it was her or what. But then you got to the front of the race you got to the front of it the race first before she did. She was probably just following you. Lisa Becharas: Yeah. Like I didn't see her until mile twenty one on the bike. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, probably I never looked behind. I was like, I'm really trying to get out of the habit of like looking behind. And I'm like, when there's a U turn, I that's when I get information. But like ride your race, do do your thing and don't worry about what's behind. And then I was like, Well, she's in front. Yeah. Jackie: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then I mean she only biked I got the results pulled up here. She only biked a minute fifteen faster than you, which is really like not that much. And Lisa Becharas: Yeah, she and she put all of that in in like the end, which was a yeah. I was like everyone's like, She's a minute up. I'm like, Hey, she's I'm not c I'm not she's not coming back to me. That's just true. Jackie: You never know. Yeah, good job though. You held it together. How d'un did it feel okay, or were you like, ⁓ jeeesh, ⁓ this is really far? Lisa Becharas: Yeah. So like granted, like the longest run I did was like seven miles or just over seven miles. No and so like going into this race, I was like, this is a big question mark. I literally like the only workout I did was five by one minute. Like that's all. And I did strides like two times. ⁓ but I just I haven't been running a ton, like and I I just so I didn't know I was I was like I Jackie: ⁓ my I can't I actually cannot imagine. Lisa Becharas: I don't I think I can run 140. That was in my head. I was like, I think I can run 140. But I got off the bike and I just like I got all situated and I just started running. I'm like, I'm not gonna look at my watch until it like gives me the mile, the first mile beep. And I give the first mile beep and it was like 640 something. I was like, that's that's too fast. Like I can't, like I can't hold that. Like I'm gonna fall apart. But it felt easy. Jackie: Yeah. Lisa Becharas: And aerobically I like felt super strong and my body felt totally fine. And so I was like, okay, Lisa, just dial in, like dial it back. Try to just stand tall and like run like pretty, as pretty as you can, like keep it together. And like I would be like six forty again. And then it was like a six thirty. And then there was like a six twenty in there. And I was like, I can't run six twenty. Must have been the like a downhill part. Yeah. I was like, okay, this is like dumb now. ⁓ but also on the run, I've never done this. I had like Jackie: Six twenty, let's go. Lisa Becharas: Probably a hundred and forty grams of carbs on the run. Like, which is a ton. Yeah. No, like a hundred and forty grams on the run. It's a lot, don't you think? Jackie: Total or No. I think that's an appropriate amount. Lisa Becharas: How much okay? Well, maybe that's why I was like holding it together. I yeah. I had only a coffee in the morning and then I grabbed a Morton gel like at the first aid station for a quick caffeine one, but then I didn't use any other caffeine. That's been something I've been like trying to play with how much I want and need. and it's probably more that I should have ⁓ and that I can handle. Jackie: Yeah energy how much caffeine? Yeah. Lisa Becharas: But yeah. Jackie: Carbs and caffeine are the reps recipe for success on the run. I guarantee it. If you can handle that much carbs, just do that. Just add in a little more caffeine, and you're gonna rocket ship. Lisa Becharas: Yeah. Yeah. And I'll and I'll be then I'm gonna run one twenty off the bike. We're gonna jog together then. Yes. ⁓ but no, I f I felt really like controlled and aerobically like I can I could chat, like ⁓ a ref came past me and he was like ⁓ and he dropped like ⁓ like something on the ground like a mortem bar on the ground and I like I was like blue card like Jackie: First let's go for a one twenty five. Lisa Becharas: And he came back and he was joking and he I don't remember, he said something to me. ⁓ but yeah, so like and it was an out and back run. So I was still in second at that point. I was like, I know Lydia Russell's like gonna run, you know, one ten off the bike, so she's coming. But I was so surprised at the turnaround point that I was still in second. I was like, Why has nobody caught me yet? Like ⁓ and I felt actually just like super strong and composed until probably like four-ish miles. Jackie: practically. Lisa Becharas: to go and I was like, ooh, the wheels are coming off. But I had a gap of maybe like seven and a half to eight minutes to like the person in fourth. And I was like, I was, but I was doing calculations in my head Jackie, because I was like, well, if I start running seven thirties, they would have to run, you know, six fifteen to catch me. And if I and I was just doing all that like mental math, I was like, cause I the wheels work. Jackie: That's awesome. Lisa Becharas: Come in the last 5k and nobody was giving me splits. Everyone's like, go and I'm like, I might start walking like soon. So help me. ⁓ but yeah, it was it was fun. Jackie: ⁓ no. You're like, what's happening? Yeah. Ha ha ⁓ but you you just pushed on and you yeah, f when did you know you were gonna like keep the third place? Lisa Becharas: Yeah, yeah. It got like but it never ⁓ there was like a little a random like little U-turn thing that was probably within the last K and I didn't see anybody and I was like, Okay, I think that means I at least have like maybe like a minute. So I I think I can hold the gap for one K. It was Yeah. It was ⁓ so I was just I was like, but don't let yourself think about that like you're gonna finish in third until like you see the finish line. Like until it's like guaranteed. Jackie: ⁓ that is just awesome. Lisa Becharas: I was like, Don't look back, don't let yourself get there because anything can happen. So ⁓ Jackie: Yeah, that's awesome. So does the podium feel like a big like a good step? Like a big step for you? You've had a ton of just like you're a super consistent top ten. Lisa Becharas: Yeah. And it's ⁓ like it this yeah, cause it being my first like 70 point three podium, like I've I've the podiums I've had have all been at like St. Anthony's triathlon, 'cause I freaking love Olympic distance racing. ⁓ but no, it was super special for me and I would never have thought that I was capable of it, like with the preparation I had coming into this race. So it made it that much more like special. I was like, this is Jackie: Yeah. Lisa Becharas: Pretty cool to have such an unexpected result. ⁓ and it honestly just gave me a lot of confidence with the training that I've been doing that like this is the right direction. And once you have a really strong aerobic engine, like you could do a lot with that, even if it's not like the most specific training you've had. So yeah. It was fun and it was really fun. Jackie: Yeah, as yeah, especially for running. I feel like that's the thing. Like you're gonna you get to your you get to a certain point, even if you had done hardly any workouts. Like you can run up to kind of like your threshold, which you know, half marathon pace is a aerobic activity. So you can run that without doing any crazy workouts, just some running. Lisa Becharas: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I I definitely my limiter of the day was like my muscular breakdown versus like aerobic capacity. And which of chatting with my coach, I'm like, how do I get better at this? He's like, Lisa, this might always be your limiter. Like, it's like we can improve upon it, but it might like be the thing, like I d he's like, your aerobic engine is so strong. I don't know if that will ever be your limiter. It's gonna be more like, can your quads and calves and muscles like handle the impact and like the breakdown. Like how do we limit the amount of breakdown you have? And I don't know if anyone who's listening has suggestions. Let me know. Do I need to take like creatine, more cre like I I took it for a while and I haven't in a while. But maybe I'll get back on it. So yeah. Yeah. So Jackie: Mm. Well you should definitely be taking creatine, hello. Are you kidding? ⁓ yeah. I'm huge on creatine. I'm eating gummies, I'm doing powders, I'm getting strong. Yeah. Lisa Becharas: Like everything. It's also like s storming. Turning a light on. Yeah. Back. Jackie: ⁓ yeah, there you go. I never have great lighting in here when it's nighttime. Or it's not really night, but it does look darker. ⁓ yeah, I mean, I think also besides the muscle, like you do just have to run ⁓ more and could more consistently. Like if I only had run seven miles before a half marathon, I would be in a lot of pain as well. So I think that that's normal. Lisa Becharas: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jackie: I don't think you should worry. Lisa Becharas: Yeah. Well, and that's like the I'm like, okay, I gotta aim for run consistency. But right after a race, I'm like, well, there's another week I can't run because I can't walk right. Next week is we're getting back to the consistency in running. Jackie: Yeah. So maybe next week you start that mission. Yes. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, the week after. Probably probably not. yeah. So has anything really changed the last few years with what you're doing with training? Like are you changing your focuses based on what races you're trying to do, or are you just kind of feeling out what you feel like needs to improve? Lisa Becharas: It's yeah. I I don't think anything has like really changed a ton. ⁓ except that the fact that I've been with like my same coach Matt Leito for this is like our fourth season together. And before that it was like I had a lot of different coaches. Like I'd be with them for like a year, year and a half, and then I'd switch coaches. And so I think it's really coming to fruition now, just having consistency with one coach. ⁓ I think part of par part is Part of that ⁓ like improvement is that. But then it's also just like limiting the amount of time off total, like from injury or setback. I think, I mean, like that's the only key to success in this sport is like consistency, like week in, week out. Like, can you be consistent? I don't do crazy hours like leading into Tromblant and this bike race I was training for. Like, I just I had 16 weeks. I like counted and look back. Sixteen weeks where I just it was between twenty to twenty five hours. And most of it was like twenty to like twenty two hours and did nothing crazy. I put a lot of focus on like VO two work because I was really wanting to do well at this like national time trial championship. And that ended up being like ⁓ so I'm like so disappointed. Jackie: We better hear about that after. Yes. Are you gonna cry? Don't cry, please. Lisa Becharas: Not anymore, but I did cry. My poor husband was like in the hotel room after the race. I was like, I don't know what to do. And I'm like a a hot mess. But Jackie: Well, this was the national T T time trial, the one Taylor Nibb did. Lisa Becharas: Yes, the one Taylor Nib absolutely like smashed. ⁓ yeah, it was amazing. But it was on Tuesday before Chamblant in West Virginia. Yeah. So I was down, I was like, this is what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna like because I haven't been doing a ton of like triathlon stuff over the past like four months, or like running. I haven't been doing a ton of running. I was like so excited about like doing this cycling race because I'm like, I'm gonna be so strong, do things like I've like I pushed more. Jackie: She did smash it. ⁓ wow. Lisa Becharas: Like did more VO2 work in the past 16 weeks than I have done in my entire life. and so I just felt so strong going into this time trial. And I went to my bike fitter two weeks before, got up like this UCI legal fit, was getting comfortable on it. and the night before the race, they measure your bike, like to make sure that it's UCI legal and like you can make changes if necessary. I was like, perfect. Like, I'm good. I did like I got this all set up. And they tell me that I need to move my saddle back two and a half centimeters. And I'm like, how did I like ultimately it's my fault because I never double checked, but I just like I just trusted that we had the measurements right. But like I could not push any power. I felt it from the first pedal strokes, like just in my quads. And I was like, I I'm Jackie: No That Lisa Becharas: Like I'm just gonna try to ride as best I can, like stay as arrow as I can, but I just like I was like, I can't ride in this position. I'm so uncomfortable. I was so stretched out that like I was it's far. Jackie: That's pretty far. Even if you like move your body to the way, way front of the saddle. Lisa Becharas: Yeah. You're just like Yeah. And so I'm so I'm still so mad about it because it was something that was like preventable and I learned my lesson, but learned it the hard way. and like everyone's like, ⁓ you still did fine. I was like, Yes, but you don't know I was like, I was so much more prepared this year than I was the previous year. And I just and I'll never know. Someone's like, Well, what do you think you could have done? I'm like, Well, I would I wasn't gonna win, I'll tell you that. But like Jackie: That's still gonna be rough. ⁓ Lisa Becharas: I think I could have done like I don't know. I'll Yeah. And I'll never know. And that's that part is what like sucks because I was so prepared for it. So But I will Yeah. But I will say Taylor Nib is she's in another world. Like when she so she started two minutes behind me in this in this T T and I was like and but I was like, okay, like normally like let's like Jackie: Few places better, you just don't know. Yeah. Yeah, well shoot. ⁓ no. Lisa Becharas: Lisa, I'm gonna hold off that two minute gap. Like, it's not gonna catch you. But she came flying past me and I was like, when she came past me, I was like, I knew this was gonna happen. But I was like, Okay, let's just try to like keep the gap the same. And I was pushing like over three hundred and fifteen watts, and I was like, I can't do this. I can't hold three hundred and fifteen watts for forty five minutes. Like, that's not gonna happen. So she was riding insane. Yeah. Insane. Yeah. So Jackie: Insane. Yeah, too bad she doesn't share any data out in the world. That would be interesting for us. You know Lisa Becharas: Right? I bet it I bet it's over 320 watts if I were to add if I were to guess, which is I don't know. She's so talented and obviously works so hard. Like she is the best cyclist in our sport, but she's also the best, like probably like top three best time trialist in the world. Like I think it'll be really exciting for LA if she can just like Jackie: Wow. Lisa Becharas: Stay healthy and yeah, maybe if it doesn't rain too. Or like we have another two years, she could get really good at like by candling in the rain. Who knows? Yeah. Anything. Most things. ⁓ Jackie: If it doesn't rain. She could get good at most things probably within two years. I bet. Yeah. Yeah, that is super cool. I mean, I love to see it. Like, it's it's like awesome that you're even taking the time to go and do the these little like side missions. I think that's fun. Like Paula just went and did the Canadian time trial. It's like Lisa Becharas: Yeah. Jackie: That's something you couldn't pay me a million bucks to do. I hate riding my time trial bike, and I don't like riding hard. That's for sure. ⁓ it's not gonna happen. But I think it's really cool to see like everyone has like different things that really get them fired up. And it's important for us to still follow those, like. Lisa Becharas: Ha ha ha. Jackie: passion projects rather than getting like sucked into like I can only do this one thing, I can only do triathlon, I can only go to these specific races. It's like you're gonna get burnt out. You're gonna get so sick of the sport. So we gotta spread the wings sometimes. Lisa Becharas: Yeah. And it's like it's like at the end of the day it's just like swim, bike and run. And like it has to be fun, other than like there you're not gonna have long longevity in this sport. Like you've been doing this for a long time. Like obviously you still think some aspect of it is fun and you enjoy it and you like the lifestyle, otherwise you'd probably retire. But like it's yeah. So you have to have fun. Jackie: My cat is in here meowing. She never does that. I don't She's like, why are you upstairs talking? Like you're meant to be on the couch at this time of night. You're it's bedtime, Mom. Go. Go away, cat. Now I have a podcast with a cat meowing in it. ⁓ Lisa Becharas: I thought that was Sky for a second. Okay, it's like bedtime. Like this is not mom I don't know. I think sometimes the riverside scrubs it. The background noise. Jackie: I hope so. Yeah. Well, this will be in the pod because I really don't probably won't edit it. But so everyone, glad you're here still. That was my cat. yes. Yeah, it's true. I although from the sounds of this pod, it seems like I don't like swimming and I don't like riding my bike. I do actually. I I like swimming with other people. I like group activities and I do like riding my bike. Lisa Becharas: Mm-hmm. Jackie: Because I like being outside. And I think really what keeps me in the sport is getting to be outside a lot and be out in nature. And and I do love exercising and I love riding to places to eat lunch and things like that. Yeah. Lisa Becharas: Yes. We just don't like doing so much of it alone. Yeah. Yeah. Like long rides after long rides when you're like, okay, I have another four hour ride alone, like it gets it can get a little old and repetitive after a while. Jackie: Yeah. Yeah, that that is kind of what gets really gets to me, especially you know, like right now I'm kinda getting into like some Iron Man some longer stuff, whatever, and I ended my long run last week. I literally just got bored. I'm like, I'm running home. This is just I can't I don't feel like it anymore. I just ran to my house and I walk yeah. Lisa Becharas: You're like, yeah. Yeah. Is is Iron Man Kalmar is that your next one? That's Jackie: Yeah. Well I'm doing Boise seventy point three, but for me what works best is logging like I don't like to get too tired out and too bogged down too close to the race. So I like to log it like it's almost like the like six, seven, eight weeks before out. Five maybe, but Lisa Becharas: Okay. Out. Yeah. You're doing the bigger stuff. Yeah. Jackie: Yeah, doing the bulk of it and then when it gets closer you're like, All right, I've already banked all the work. I just need to like keep it together for a little bit and then you don't have to dig yourself in a mega hole right before the race. Lisa Becharas: Yeah, which is p I could only imagine going into an Iron Man if you're going in like in a hole or tired. I feel like I would be an emotional mess. Like, you want me to do what? Like this weekend? Jackie: Yeah, people it's it's shocking to me how much people try to hit the volume like really, really close to the race. And for me, I just know like it just feels so much better if you take a little extra time to freshen up rather than carrying all that junk around. Lisa Becharas: Yeah. And it's and I feel like it's such also just just ⁓ more even physic more than physically, like mentally, just exhausting. Like I yeah. I don't know. I'm I'm a big taper fan, like cut back. Like I love to rest and just do like one short thing, two short things like a day. It's fun. Jackie: Yeah. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm pretty good at tapering. If I'm in good shape, I like tapering. If I know that something's not quite right, then I'm I like struggle with it where I'm like, ⁓ I really should just do more because I know I'm not ready. So it depends for me on the prep. let's see, what else do we want to talk about? You are married. ⁓ how's that going? Lisa Becharas: Yeah. ⁓ I still I'm still married. ⁓ like almost a year, August, beginning of August is when we got married. So we'll almost a year. Yeah. Jackie: You know, he still married. Okay, let's go. Are we at one year yet? Very exciting. D do you still do the thing? Do people do the thing where they like save the part of their cake in the freezer for a year? Do you remember that? Do you know about this? Lisa Becharas: ⁓ y yes, but we did not because we got like cookies for our wedding and then we just like on the way to the wedding, we like stopped at Whole Foods and got like a little tiny cake that we could just cut for ourselves ⁓ for photos and stuff. But yeah, so we didn't keep that. I don't think it would be any good now, anyways. ⁓ my god. Jackie: Okay. Yeah, we ⁓ we had it in our freezer, but then I was like, screw this. We need our freezer space and we just ate it. It's not yeah. I don't that that's what we did. I'm like, we paid good money for this fancy cake. I'm gonna eat this thing. Yeah. So what ⁓ outside of racing, like, what do you like to get up to? Lisa Becharas: Yeah, or like why why are you gonna it's not gonna taste good in like next year or the year after. Like you just eat enjoy it while it's fresh. It's my philosophy. Yeah Yeah. Yeah. I feel like I feel like when people ask me this, I'm like have to come up with some like hobbies. Like, shoot, what do I what do I do? ⁓ Jackie: That's funny. I asked Solvig I asked Solvig this question and she's like, I like to eat. ⁓ I like to watch TV. Like, we don't really have much time to do other stuff. I do get that. Lisa Becharas: Okay. Yeah. But I think like my dog is like the center of my world. I like treat her as like like a daughter. And so yeah, she's my she's my child. And ⁓ I don't know, I like to read books. ⁓ books that have nothing to do with like self help or like other athletes' stories. Like I wanna love story. I wanna Jackie: She's your child, yes. Lisa Becharas: a story that has nothing to do with sports. I just wanna like be in in something el I don't know. It's just so it's it's very different than like Trath on and racing and training. ⁓ but yeah, like I coach a handful of athletes, ⁓ and I really enjoy that just 'cause it's I don't know, it's different, it's fun and I feel like it's something that I'm passionate about and when I'm done racing, like would want to explore maybe getting back into like collegiate coaching or in some aspect something like that. ⁓ Jackie: ⁓ fine. Lisa Becharas: And then I don't know, hang out with my husband when ⁓ when he's not working. And I don't yeah. I don't know. We we like to travel, but a lot of times recently it's just traveling for my races. But ⁓ when we get the opportunity, like I really enjoy surfing and I'm new at it. I'm really bad, but it's like super fun and he loves it. He just watches like surf YouTube, like Jackie: Yeah. Lisa Becharas: every day and he's like, Look at this, it's sick. Like we gotta go hit some blaffs. We gotta go this and I'm like, ⁓ my god Like he wants to go to races where I raced that had our like good surf locations so he can just like surf and just like at least do whatever. You do your race and get prepped and stuff. I'll watch the race but like let me just like go hang out and surf and ⁓ yeah so I don't know. Jackie: That's awesome. Well, I just had a chat with Emma Palant Brown and I raced back whatever year it was, seventy point three worlds was down in South Africa. And they don't have a they don't have a pro race ⁓ seventy point three down there. But if they bring back that seventy point three at any point, the surf down there, it is so beautiful. Lisa Becharas: Yeah. ⁓ yes. But doesn't everything want to kill you in the water? Isn't that kind of like Australia that like there's like sh big sharks and stuff? Jackie: There may be big sharks, yes. But I don't know. A lot of people were surfing, and it was really pretty. Lisa Becharas: Yeah. That yeah. Well Yeah. So I could I could easily convince Steve to come with me on that race. Yeah. Jackie: Yeah, it was so good. Yeah, that would be a good spot for you. Definitely. ⁓ well, what about your goals for the next year? So this year you got your niece qualification. Are you gonna go to seventy point three worlds? Lisa Becharas: Yes, that's my plan. And honestly, I it was mostly 'cause I was I feel like I was missing like a North Star for the season. Cause I think the North American race schedule for the second half of the year is awful. Like there's there's nothing to race in the US in October or November. Like zero seventy point threes. I think there's like Iron Man Florida or something. ⁓ and it's so I was like, what do I I and I hate going to Europe. Jackie: Whoa. Yeah, I agree. Lisa Becharas: ⁓ 'cause I think it's so hard to travel to. And here I am talking about like going to Nice, France and obviously in Europe. But ⁓ I don't know. So Jackie: But for a regular like a one off seventy like a random seventy point three, it is I would never do it. Yeah. Lisa Becharas: It does it's a big trip. Yeah. It's just it's so hard. I don't know, it's so hard and Europe is so different than America. Everything is small and cars are small and roads are small and there's a lot of and the jet lag is so bad and I'm just like I'm kind of a hot mess in Europe. But ⁓ but yeah, so it was nice to qualify for that just so I feel like I have something bigger to work for. But ⁓ I'll be I'll be in Boise so we can we can race together again. Jackie: Yeah. Yeah. Lisa Becharas: And yeah, so we'll be we'll swim together and then I'll try to drop it on the bike and then ⁓ but yeah and then hopefully Northern California, except that race is gonna be like a thousand degrees. It's like a terrible time of the year to like race and frightening California, but it is what it is. And then 70 point three worlds and then at there I'll probably guide for a visually impaired athlete at the world champs. Jackie: No, I'm gonna try to swim a little ahead of you. ⁓ I need to swim better. Yeah. Mm. Lisa Becharas: At the end of September. And then I thought Jackie, I thought this was gonna be the year I'd do a full Iron Man, but and I there's still an opportunity maybe towards November or December. I might, but I also just might like either call it a season after September or race like La Quinta in December. Jackie: Yeah. Well, just see if you can build up your run consistency because you really don't have to it doesn't have to be too crazy if you can get a couple like eighteen milers in. Lisa Becharas: I don't know. The ver I've run two hours once and that was like eight years ago and it's the longest I've ever run. It's sixteen miles. ⁓ I don't yeah. So maybe like if I can get like one eight Jackie: I don't know. You might need to be on like the six months to an Iron Man plan, if you ask me, but I'm not your coach, so you go, good luck. Lisa Becharas: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I So we'll see about what the wet rest of the season looks like. and next year. I don't know. I just want to have continued to like improve and get a little better at about executing specific courses. I think sometimes I go into races without specific race plans or like especially on the bike, I think you can. gain minutes or lose minutes depending on how you actually distribute your power. So just want to get like become like a better, smarter, more mature racer is something I wanna like improve upon for like the rest of this year. Jackie: Yeah, that's a good goal. Have you raced in Nice before? Because that's when you can really gain and lose some freaking time. Lisa Becharas: No. Yeah. Well, aren't you dis just like descending the last half of the bike? It's just like down you just go down. Jackie: Yeah, it's like s exhausting on your arms. You're like getting like cramps in your forearms. Cause you're holding on, you're steering. Lisa Becharas: Ha ha ha. Yeah. Well that and like how do you take how do you take on any nutrition too? Like you have to Yeah. Jackie: You don't you show up to T2 all bonked out and psycho and your legs are you know how like when you descend for that long? I don't e I don't even know how long it is. I'd have to look back, but you're descending so long and you know when you like s start pedaling again and trying to cause there is like a flat bit to ride at the end. And you're all of a sudden, ⁓ I haven't done anything in this long, and then you're like, ⁓ boom, here we go again. It's like my legs Lisa Becharas: Yeah. Yeah, like Yeah. ⁓ Jackie: Just like, nope, we're not, we're done. Like they like cash it in at the top of the climb and they're not coming back. Lisa Becharas: Yeah, like I keep. ⁓ that's awesome. I'm so assuming you're not going to Nice. Jackie: I'm not gonna it's it is just a little tough for the Kona turn turnaround. Lisa Becharas: Yeah, especially if you're doing the Calmar two, right? That's like would just be like a couple of weeks after that. Okay. Jackie: Yeah, that'd be a month. It's all it's four weeks. It is doable. Lisa Becharas: But it really disruptive to a ⁓ yeah. Jackie: But it would be disruptive because yeah, I mean, it depends if I would want to just go and participate or if I think I'm going and trying to do a good job. Lisa Becharas: Yeah. And that's and it's hard too because it's ⁓ it I feel like it's one of those courses that can balloon up a lot. So like in terms of pro series points, like I feel like the gaps can be a lot bigger. And like if you have a frickin' Taylor nib going off the front, putting twenty minutes into the rest of us on the bike. Yeah. Jackie: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just sad times. It is a nice you'll like you'll love the run though. It's a nice flat run. It's a good run. Lisa Becharas: Yeah. It's we I like that. And good crowd support too, right? Yeah, I like that. Yeah. Jackie: Yes. Yeah. It is it is a great place. You can stay. They've got loads of apartments like right there on the promenade. You could stay right there. It's cheap, easy, and like nice. Lisa Becharas: Okay. I'm taking taking your word for it because I've been looking at Airbnb and I'm like, why are all the beds so small? Like they're all like full size. There's no like king beds and Steve's gonna come with me and I'm like, or we're gonna sleep in two yeah, two Yeah. Yeah, I'll be here. Or two t we're just gonna get two twin beds. And we'll get some good sleep. Jackie: ⁓ yes. You just get two bedrooms. Extra bedroom for the night before the race. ⁓ there's your room, buddy. I mean, I go I go the two bedroom method because I do like to hang out in the days leading up, but the night before I need to like say bye-bye. It's fine. Once you're married over ten years, then then you can do that. Lisa Becharas: Peace out, like yeah, let me sleep and toss and turn alone. I'll pitch it, I'll pitch it to Steve this year and see how he takes it. He'll be like, okay, do whatever you want. Jackie: Yeah. Yeah, it also helps if you have a chill husband. I have one of those too. That that definitely makes it easier. Yeah. Yeah, totally. ⁓ that's awesome. ⁓ okay, we're gonna wrap it up. We're getting near an hour. ⁓ yeah, the last thing I like to close out the pod with is asking anybody who's on the show what you're loving right now. This can be anything in your life that brings you joy. Lisa Becharas: Yeah yeah. He's like, I don't care what you do, I got some surf waves out front, so like you do you. ⁓ my gosh. ⁓ I have my sleeping doggy right there. I know. And it's thunderstorming outside and she normally is like tweaking out. But maybe she just doesn't hear it. ⁓ so outside of loving my dog right now, what have I been doing? I've been I don't know, I've been watching a lot of T V recently. So I'm watching this show called Night Action. Jackie: ⁓ wow, what a good dog. Your dog's just sleeping there? Lisa Becharas: It's I don't know. So I've been loving that. But what I have been loving. ⁓ I know what I'm gonna give a shout out to my basically one of my only training partners in Fort Collins, Colorado, Ben Nelson. ⁓ shout out Ben Nelson. He is I've been loving riding with him and training with him. He just qualified for Nice as well as the age grouper. he's smashed boulder 70.3 and he's like such a good ride training partner because he's stronger than I am. Jackie: Okay. I love it. Lisa Becharas: But he has a AI coach, so like I he'll just do my workout and it's so great. Yes. Yes. Yeah. So that's what I'm loving. Loving riding with Ben. So hopefully he'll ride with me this weekend. Jackie: Bless those people. I just love them. That's awesome. We'll send him this episode. Maybe we can get a new listener too out of it. Lisa Becharas: Yeah, he will he listens to the real Trath on Squad podcast, so he loves his tri-podcast. So this is gonna be right up his alley. Jackie: Yeah, we'll send it over to him. All right. Well, Lisa, thanks for coming on. I can't wait to see you in Boise. Very excited. And yeah, we'll talk to you soon. Thanks everybody for listening.