Dr. D: What song is on your heart this week? Coach A: I don't like living under your spotlight Just because you think ⁓ ⁓ ⁓ somebody worthy ⁓ Dr. D: bit more. Mm-hmm. Mine's is a... I I feel like that's a word, I don't, like it, it, Loki is very controlling what she's describing that behavior is not very healthy for relationship. Coach A: living under your spotlight. Dr. D: That's a good one. Is that you? Is that you? I don't know all the words, but I remember. I like that song. She'd usually be hooting and hollering, but that's a good one. Coach A: She is good for a hoot and a holler. Dr. D: Mm-hmm. The song that's in my heart is that Tim's in Man, when it's like, shimmy, shimmy, y'all, shimmy, shimmy, shimmy, yeah, five nine, brown nine, in it, in it. I don't know who the man is, but Tim's. Coach A: at the same damn time. Hehehehehe SMBAP. Timbs is what I needed. I'm not what you need. Dr. D: Yeah, she got some good, she got some bops. Coach A: It's a great song. Thames is a really, really good artist. I'm glad that she is getting all of her things because she makes really good music. Dr. D: She makes great music and I really enjoy her face. I really just enjoy her essence, but her face is very like cat-like. It's very like feline coated. Like her eyes, like she has a different kind of beauty that's very cat-like, which I enjoy. Coach A: Mmm. I remember my first time even seeing what she looked like. wasn't, I don't know what I was expecting her to look like when I first heard her voice, but... Dr. D: Yeah. Coach A: She's one of one. Dr. D: Cheers. Coach A: Uno e uno. Dr. D: Just like you. Coach A: period ⁓ Dr. D: Did you see the video I sent you ⁓ of them, the people acting out different zodiac signs? the one for Scorpio was like... Coach A: Yeah, I did. Why do you immediately talk about the one for Scorpio? Dr. D: because you're a Scorpio. Coach A: Why not talk about the one that they did about a Leo? Dr. D: because in the video the Scorpio came first and then the Leo was second. It was after that one. Coach A: Scorpios always come first. That's a lesson for life. Doot doot! Dr. D: Anyway, was that supposed to be Michael Jackson or Jennifer Hudson? Coach A: Whichever one. Take your- Dr. D: Can we go see that movie? That movie's about to come out or maybe it came out already, but I wanna see it. The Michael Jackson movie with his nephew. Coach A: Let's see. Oh. Jafar? No, I'm just playing. I don't know. I don't know what his name is. Is that his name? Dr. D: That is his name. I knew it was something- Yes, if it is Jafar. Coach A: This is Given Lion King. Dr. D: No, it's giving a lay, dude. Coach A: I mean, I'll add, and that's what I meant. Dr. D: giving Disney plus. Coach A: It's given Disney Plus. It's given Fantasia. Dr. D: Mm-hmm. not burrito the mickey mouse Coach A: No, I ventured into a I ventured into a ⁓ like a vintage Store in philly I don't know what part of philly it was you're gonna have to tell me but it was on Would you say south street? Yeah, there's a store on south street that has a lot of like vhs's and Vinyls and movie posters like old movie posters and stuff like that Dr. D: You know, I don't know. It was South Street. Coach A: I procured Ella Fitzgerald one. But I saw so many throwback, like like And I was immediately transported to my childhood. I was specifically looking for the Orange Rugrats movie. VHS, if you know, know, but they didn't have that. ⁓ But they had Fantasia and like Chicken Run. Dr. D: Did they have like VHS players and like DVD players? Coach A: I think so actually they They also had arcade games and stuff like that like Pac-Man and Tetris Dr. D: I need me, you know I need me, a DVD player. Mmm. We should go back. Well, I didn't go with you, but I wanna go. Coach A: I would not... I was... They got chairs in there so you can just sit down and look through all of the stuff. I would definitely go back. And go through... literally go through each one. I'm sure there's some hidden gems in there somewhere. But you have to take the time to sit down and go through them all. Because they're not like... they're not in any kind of order. They're not alphabetical. No, you just... Dr. D: Put it on the list. Mm-hmm. really? Coach A: You just gotta look. Dr. D: That would be a great intern job to organize them. But I don't. Coach A: That would drive me insane. kind of like the like stuff like that. I kind of like that it's random because it kind of forces you to go through and you don't know what you're going to find. think like if you go in there looking for the temptations, you're to go straight to the tease and you know what I'm saying? I think it's something, there's something to be said for just going through all of that stuff. Dr. D: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Hmm. Coach A: By the way, I highly doubt there's any temptation stuff in there. I think I was lucky to even find the Ella Fitzgerald Dr. D: And I'm so grateful because I love me some Ella. I think maybe I'll put her back here somewhere on my gallery wall. Coach A: Mmm. It was some good stuff in there. I should have took pictures of some of the other stuff that I found, but I wanted the other one to be a surprise, so I didn't, I didn't, I didn't tell you. But it's not going nowhere, I don't think, so you can go back. Dr. D: I appreciate it. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Coach A: Shout out to that store, whatever that store's called. Dr. D: whatever that's risk of, shout out to y'all. Coach A: On Soft Street. Dr. D: Mm-hmm, perhaps. Welcome to the podcast friends. Happy transcript Tuesday. What do mean? Coach A: Perhaps. What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing? Why? What is that noise? ⁓ Dr. D: I didn't know that you could hear that. I didn't realize before you couldn't hear. And then I plugged my microphone back in and now it's supersonic. Coach A: Well, not all of the people in the world are like you. Some of our hearing is actually pretty good. Dr. D: ⁓ Coach A: Anyway, welcome, welcome one, welcome all to another amazing episode of the unofficial transcript where I am your host, Aliyah, AKA Coach A, AKA BigScore. AKA the Biggest of Logis. Dr. D: I think this is the first time you said your actual government name on here. What a, yeah, what a milestone. Coach A: Forum? I'm Aaliyah, I'm going to VSU. Go Trojans. You ever seen those videos where like the seeds be like, my name is Ashley and I'm going to Mississippi State. Dr. D: Please. Go Trojans. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, I have seen those. I like when they say where they think they're go and then where they end up going because sometimes it be not the same school. Coach A: ⁓ baby, well it depends on when, my senior year, it would have depended on when you recorded the first video. Like, cause if you recorded that joint at the start of senior year and asked me where I thought I was going, it wouldn't have been VSU. Dr. D: Yeah. It wouldn't have been VSC. Well, I'm Darielle, AKA Dr. D. That was Leo. If you're watching this video wise, that little thing in the back was Leo. ⁓ If you're just listening, then it never happened. Welcome to the podcast, friends. Coach A: Hahaha! And those who don't know, Dr. D is the best and baddest doctor on this side of the Mississippi. And above the Mason-Dixon for her, I suppose. Dr. D: Precisely. Exactly, because I don't need to go down there for too much longer. Coach A: Not too much. Dr. D: Just not on like, you know, vacations, but like I don't think I could live with Ludemason Dixon ever. Coach A: Maryland has a very large, I think also the biggest, like wealthy black population. Dr. D: Mm. Is that right? Coach A: yeah i i'm actually i'm 90 sure either montgomery county it might be montgomery county is the richest black county in the entire country Dr. D: What? It's gonna be Rose Housewives of Potomac. Coach A: Yes, and anybody who's ever watched Real Housewives of Potomac can tell you that none of them shits was in the Potomac. Man, I seen them record an episode that was up here by Rundle Mills. That's very much Anne Arundel County. That ain't no damn... Anyway, that's just some Marilyn Lore. Yeah, I don't know. I didn't watch too much of that to be TBH. But I just so happened to see a clip, and in that clip I was like, I know exactly where that is. Dr. D: No. Mm. Mm-hmm. no, i watched Coach A: And it's it's not Potomac. Dr. D: I watched Only Atlanta and I stopped watching after Phaedra left. And I hear Phaedra's on some other show now. But like, I stopped watching Rehorses of Atlanta whenever Phaedra left, because she was my favorite. Coach A: I think a lot of people are probably gonna start watching Real Housewives of Atlanta again. I don't think you're the only one who stopped watching it. But I think Pinky Cole is joining Real Housewives of Atlanta. She's- yeah. Dr. D: Mm-hmm. A slutty vegan? Hmm, okay. Crack Atlanta alum, shout out. Coach A: Yeah, so I think people gonna tap in just to watch her at least. Dr. D: Well, that's great. Coach A: What is the criteria for you to be on Real Housewives of Anything? Dr. D: I think you just gotta be, you just gotta have some level of clout. Some level of, cause I don't think you necessarily have to be a wife. I think people start off, like I think it started off as housewives, like everyone was married or like divorced or like some, somewhere in that bubble. But I don't think you need to be married anymore necessarily. Coach A: How the hell is it gonna be a, how you gonna be a housewife in real if you ain't married? Dr. D: I don't, well, I don't know. Is Pinky Mary? Coach A: Yeah, she married to the dude that got all them cheesesteak spots. Mm-hmm, I forget his name. Some lice kid, man. Dr. D: ⁓ Really? No. Yeah, I don't know. I don't really follow like reality business these days. Like I think I've hung up my reality TV watcher hat. Coach A: Yeah, you traded it in for... soap operas. Dr. D: Yeah, at least, that's at least, shot to be on the gates. I am a gatekeeper. I am in the gatekeeper Facebook groups. I'm in all, yeah, I need to know what's going on. Cause I can't watch it every day. It comes on every single day. So sometimes I'll save a bunch. Like I might save a week's worth and then watch it all Saturday morning for like five hours and just get my week, get my dose in. ⁓ no, it's it's an all black cast or primarily black cast set in Coach A: Shout out, shout out to Beyond The Gates. Dr. D: Maryland, like DC area. And it's it's successful black people drama. at least it's basically Real Housewives, but like a much highly dramatized version, which is, I like my fake stuff to be fake. Coach A: and the matriarch, ain't the matriarch the lady from law and order, the medical examiner? Dr. D: Anita. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I think her name is Tamara, it's up to me in real life, but Anita is her character. ⁓ Coach A: What was her name in long order? I can't remember. Dr. D: Mm, medical examiner, lady. Go ahead. But no, that's a good show. Coach A: That's gonna piss me off, I think. But anyway. I need that. I need Beyond the Gates to be to us, to our generation, like as the world turns and all the other ones was. What was the other one? Young and the Restless. I think, I think one of the black ladies from Young and the Restless passed recently. I seen a headline about that. RIP to her. But, but yeah, I want Beyond the Gates to be to us what that was. So like when our kids got to stay home, it's like, all right, you watching Beyond the Gates and Dr. D: It's gonna be. It's gonna be. Mmm... Mmm... ⁓ My stories. Yup. Coach A: well it ain't well i'm sure don't rule a fortune and prices right still come on and everything like that ⁓ know there's something ⁓ there's like a documentary or something i think it's it's either an entire documentary about prices right or there's an episode about prices right but either way it goes into like bob barker the old man who used to host it ⁓ his racism Dr. D: ⁓ baby, you know I don't know. Hmm. Mm-hmm. Coach A: ish tendencies and how they went about like choosing contestants and like all the all the back stuff the backstory stuff about Price is Right. But apparently there's proof how that Bob Barker treated the white contestants very differently than he treated the black contestants. ⁓ there had to be certain kinds of black contestants on the show. Dr. D: interesting. Yikes. ⁓ well, that's interesting. Like what? Coach A: I've never seen the documentary yet. I've only seen clips of it on TikTok and stuff. But allegedly, they prioritized... If they wanted to a black contestant, it had to be a fat, older black lady. I don't know. I still have to watch it. Huh? Yeah. ⁓ Dr. D: Mm-hmm. Why? They want to, ⁓ a mammy, a mammy, a mammy. Stereotype. That's the kind of like domestic worker type of lady that they want to see. I mean, I would love to watch it. Speaking of documentaries, you force me, you force me, you, you suggested that I watch a documentary. Coach A: Yeah, I'ma watch it though. Speaking of documentaries... I was already saying because force is an insane word. Dr. D: Forrest is crazy, I'm sorry, but you came across one. Coach A: ⁓ I did come across one. ⁓ There's a documentary by a, I think he's French, director or journalist, Louis Thoreau, and he created a documentary called Into the Manosphere, which she already figured. No, no, no, go ahead, go ahead. Dr. D: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Because... let's just go on. I mean just the title in itself pissed me off because like why do I have to search that up on my computer? Why does they have to or my Netflix and mess up my algorithm? Because now it thinks I like men's stuff. But just I don't know but the title of it just immediately pissed me off but Coach A: does it? Dr. D: Go on. Coach A: Yes, so essentially this guy, Louis Thoreau, who I think is British by the way, I think I said French. so essentially Louis Thoreau, travels to Miami, New York and ⁓ to meet a bunch of well-known TikTok creators, right, influencers. ⁓ So ⁓ he with Dr. D: Mm-hmm. Coach A: A person who goes by H.S. Tiki Taki, real name Harrison Sullivan, Sneeko, Myron Gaines, which is the guy from the Fresh and Fit podcast that ⁓ been canceled, I think, before. ⁓ got a name Justin Waller, ⁓ ⁓ ⁓ I think that's it. So yeah, ⁓ goes to these places, he follows these people, and he documents, documents. Dr. D: Mm-hmm. Coach A: The online subculture known as the Manosphere, a loose network of influencers, communities, and content creators who promote highly traditional or extremist views about masculinity, gender roles, and relationships. And so we watched all of it. Dr. D: We did. Coach A: and we have thoughts. Dr. D: Yeah. Coach A: have thoughts. So I guess let me just ask you generally, when you watched the documentary, what were your initial feelings, like your initial gut reactions as you were watching it? Dr. D: Good. Yeah. Well first I need to say, Gram I'm sorry I'm probably gonna cuss in this episode a lot. Maybe not a lot but it pissed me off. So I have notes hence the fiddling earlier. Like I took notes throughout ⁓ watch of it because you watched it and you rewatched it with me. And I just think it is insane and I think it is a cult and I think it is grift, I think they're grifters. Like those are my initial thoughts. I'm like, this is a cult and this is like, I don't, I don't know if these men truly believe in what they're saying so much as they are just profiting off of other men who think that that's ⁓ a real way to live their life personally. I think like you said he went to Marbella or Marbella as he said, ⁓ Tiki Taki man. He was probably the worst meathead of all of them. ⁓ Where he like introduced the woman in the room as like, she's gonna be cleaning up after us. She's gonna be like doing all the dishes and she's like, I'm a model. ⁓ Coach A: Mm-hmm. think he literally called one of them a dishwasher. He's like, this is the dishwasher. Dr. D: And it was just a woman, like, yeah, like, I don't know. I think it was an interesting documentary probably to produce because I think all of the men who were like subjects in the film were kind of skeptical of this guy's intentions with making the documentary in the first place. Like they all were like, ooh, he might slam me. And it's like, well, duh. ⁓ So I think it takes ⁓ crazy amount of hubris to even participate in something like that where you know like you could be potentially not slandered but like portrayed in your true light, which is not good. very ridiculous, ⁓ very much shenanigans here. Coach A: ⁓ surprised you? Dr. D: The only thing that one so ⁓ guy Tiki Taki whatever Who very much gives biracial like he gives he's he's definitely a white mom biracial ⁓ And she she was white yeah, so but he's he's definitely Mixed like he's something else, ⁓ but think it's interesting that ⁓ all his macho stuff goes out the window when it comes to his mom Coach A: Well, his mom was in the documentary, his mom is white. his mom. Dr. D: Like there was a point where he was like, yeah, I think this, I'm like, I'm racist. I'm homophobic. I'm this, I'm that. But like my mom hates all of that. And if I would ever say something like that in front of her, she would slap me. And it's like, so you respect only your mother? Like you only respect that one woman? I think there were certain instances where that part kind of exposed who they really are. Like it's like deep down you, you respect women some, some kind of way. ⁓ Coach A: Yeah. Dr. D: Or just the one woman. ⁓ I think all of their relationships, because the guy from Fresh and Fit, he had a girlfriend who he basically treated like a maid and he was like, she's here to clean up after us. Like that's her only purpose. And we're in a one-sided, what is it? ⁓ One-sided relationship. ⁓ One-sided, The concept of one-sided monogamy. And then the same thing with the white guy, the other guy who had like his, not wife, but his baby mom. Coach A: One-sided monogamy. you Yeah. Dr. D: and his kids like living this life and then he's able to do whatever he wants so like the the relationships that all three of the men had with either his either the mom or with the girlfriend wife whatever was very interesting to me very very interesting to me and i'm glad that the girlfriend ended up leaving what's his name Myron yeah Coach A: Myron, yeah. why do think, so a reason why these people, these influencers are so popular is because they have a bunch of little. Dr. D: Mm-hmm. Coach A: boys and other i'm sure i'm sure there's adults in there too but a lot of their like their target audience i feel is like a teenage kid a teenage boy and so there's thousands hundreds of thousands if not millions of these kids watching them and trying to be them wanting to be them what do you think why do you think they're so ⁓ to this Dr. D: Mm-hmm. Coach A: content this lifestyle. Dr. D: Well, because boys are, boys and men are like incompetent in life. Like in school and life, think they just tend to, let me not say they're incompetent. Girls tend to outperform boys academically for a long time. Like girls outperform them at school. Women, especially black women are earning degrees higher. Like women are just ascending. Coach A: Yeah. Dr. D: And I think in a society that was meant to men and make it easier for men when they aren't, where they still aren't succeeding at a game that was set up for them, they ⁓ they don't know how to really process that. think, I don't think men, a lot of men have ever had to think about what that looks like to actually authentically be good at something and not just be pushed to the top just ⁓ virtue of being a man or being white or being a white man. And Women now have rights. Women now have the ability to have their own credit, their own education, their own, like women don't need men to survive in ways that they did just 20, 30 years ago. Men don't know how to process that because they've historically been able to just like subjugate women without much effort because there wasn't really much for women to do on their own. they had really, women had no choice. Coach A: Anyway. Dr. D: But to be subservient was to be submissive or all those things in a relationship in the workplace because there was no way for them to progress. But now there's lots of pathways for women to make their own money and do their own thing and be smart in their own right. And men aren't meeting them at that standard. They are just like, well, what about me? And so you get this mindset, this real red pill content, this like... men need to be back on top and it's like, you can be on top by like actually being a competent individual and a competent professional, not by putting women down. But that's not the route that boys want to take. They want to take the easy route of I should just, I'm a man. So I'm just like, it's my natural right or my natural like, I don't know, instinct to act this way when it's really not like women, women are the true leaders in society, I would say I saw a video recently where somebody was saying men aren't really good good leaders because where they where they thrive is like very individual like production of things like factories, working in factories, working in the army, like following orders. Men are good at following orders of other men, not of women, but men are good at following orders to produce one thing. Like they can do this thing over and over again. But women have to think long game. They have to be planners. They have to be like thinking of all of our resources and all of that. And those skills make women just better leaders a lot of times. And so I think these kind of men don't really, they're not, they don't want to acknowledge that. They think that men are better leaders just by virtue of being men, which is just not the case. Cause clearly they all following these three meatheads. They don't make like, they're clearly all like, they have the, you have the three meatheads at the top or however many of these content creators. And then there's millions of boys who are like, want to be just like him. And it's like, you're submitting yourself to him. Like, you don't understand that. You don't get that. Coach A: A little bit of idolatry. Dr. D: A lot of it I wrote like I wrote this is a cult like in my notes I wrote I will show it to you it's very blurry but I don't this is a cult where is it this is a cult that's what I wrote it's so sloppy don't look at my handwriting but it's a cult I just wanted to prove it I wrote men don't have daddies this is a cult that's what I wrote Coach A: haha as you show the world like Dr. D: It is idolatry. It's like looking up to this one person and you're and also the financial like pyramid scheme of it all. Like at least with Tiki Taki, I don't know about the other guys, but Tiki Taki has some kind of finance ⁓ trading ⁓ Coach A: Yeah He has a, he has a telegram group, like a paid telegram group. Dr. D: yeah that people pay that people pay for to get tips but what the guy said in the documentary sorry i don't remember these people's names the filmmaker ⁓ theroux theroux like he said like you have to pay to be a part of this group and whatever you make tiki-taki takes a piece of what you make so whatever Coach A: Louis Thoreau. Right. No, I think he takes a percentage of what they deposit using his code. Dr. D: For what? Like for what? So if I deposit $50 or something, he gets a piece of that. Coach A: Yeah, he gets a piece whether you win or lose. Dr. D: Which is crazy, like that's the grift. Coach A: That's the Groove. Dr. D: That's a cult, that's a pyramid scheme, if you ask me. Coach A: So one of the things that really struck me when it was said in the documentary was, I forget which one of them, I think it was a couple of them actually, but anyway, there was this statement made that men ⁓ are without ⁓ And so ⁓ a man, job is to create that value. Women on the other are born with value. ⁓ Dr. D: Mm-mm. Coach A: they're born with value in their beauty and they're born I guess in value with that like femininity or whatever right ⁓ they just ⁓ ask trauma guy ⁓ ask for whatever she wants she can get it because she's born with beautiful value Dr. D: Mm-hmm. That is such bullshit. Like that is malarkey. To say, to suggest that the success that women have is based on beauty alone, not intellect, not perseverance, not hard work, not dedication, just their beauty. Now it's pretty privilege a thing. Yes. Do some women benefit from being attractive, conventionally attractive and men support them or people support them? Yes. But the idea that women's inherent value is just their beauty, just their beauty. Coach A: Hmm. Dr. D: I is such a logical fallacy. for, I wrote that down too. I said the idea that people should strive or that men should strive to be of value to other men. Like that's their competition or not their competition, but that's who they need to prove themselves to is other men. And it's like, you don't realize like that's a little gay. Coach A: Hmm That's why I say you kinda scaring the hoes bruh. Dr. D: That's kind of like, and I mean, okay, just by who I am and who you are, think we live, our lifestyle is more on the margins in general. Like we are outside of the like typical, you know, boy, girl binary of like relationships. like, so how we, I think how we look at relationships and how we look at community is gonna be different than straight people. However, To be a male-centered man is crazy. And I think so many men are male-centered men. Like we talked about this as male-centered women. To be a male-centered man is insane. Like if you only listen to men, if the only influences you have are men, the only opinions you value are men, that's crazy. You probably should reevaluate. I think there's a lot more merit or a lot more research behind believing women and centering the thoughts and opinions of women than men. And granted, like I... Politically, think, or not politically, but like I definitely veer more on the misandry side than feminists. Like I sure I'm a feminist or a womanist, but I tend more to distrust men inherently just because of stuff like this. So I'm not saying that I am completely right. I think I'm really far on the other end of the spectrum. But even if I wasn't, to only think, only center the opinions of men is a choice. It is a wild choice to me. ⁓ Coach A: So is a bunch of men, ⁓ men center men, raising a bunch of little men who are going to ⁓ also men. Dr. D: It's a choice. It is a pretty gay choice. And a pretty stupid choice. Coach A: And the women. And if the men center men, then where does that leave the women? Dr. D: It begs the question who gonna be the boys? Like that's the question that we ask ourselves like who's gonna be the men if all the men are trying to impress other men if all the bad bitches are now men like they talk about the men in the club who are in the front who trying to be on stage who are taking self like you know just they're centering themselves in a way and granted like do your thing slay but It just begs the question who's gonna be that the men like when we think of what men are good for in society, like protection, providing, all that stuff. Women can do that for themselves now. So because women can be of value in that way, men are just choosing to like close ranks in on themselves and do their own like little misogyny thing. And it just looks goofy to me. Like it just looks silly. Like maybe just try to be of value in some other way. or. or crazy idea, maybe just build on to the stuff that the women are building. I think men just can't keep up. No, it's emasculating, it's intimidating. Coach A: But that's but that's but they're gonna do that though. They're not gonna do that Mm. Dr. D: It's a lot. I I've gotten into arguments with people, back I used to argue with people on social media. Somebody posted, a man posted something about building. Women don't want to build with men or something like that. or ⁓ women don't to financially contribute while a man is Something to that effect. And I'm like, well, that's her right. Like every woman should have the right, especially at our age. I think I was maybe like 24 or 25 at the time. And this man was a lot older. So I'm like, you in your thirties or maybe even forties talking about building, why are you not already built at 30, 35, 40? And not to say that you have to be like a millionaire or billionaire, but you should have some sort of credential, some sort of like direction, some sort of network like you. Coach A: Yeah. Hello. Dr. D: to be just starting from scratch talking about I need a woman that's gonna build with me and you're 35? Why would a woman that's 35 want a man that's 35 that has nothing to show for the 35 years that they've lived? Coach A: think that a lot of women by that point in their lives are willing to settle. Dr. D: Yeah, yeah, cause the bar is really low. Coach A: I was like, cause the bar is low and if it's like I'm 35, I still want to have kids, blah, blah, blah. It's like, all right, well, you won't check all the boxes. Dr. D: It's just, I want more. I just want, I just want more for the girls. I want more for women. I want women to have compatible partners that they don't have to settle for, that they don't have to like raise up in a sense or feel like it's another child. Like think I'm tremendously privileged to be in relationship with a woman that kind of is a functioning adult. Coach A: in Dr. D: And I think a lot of women who are relationships with men are not in relationships with other functioning adults. It feels like an obligation, a liability. Another child, like someone that needs to be provided for, whether it's financial or just like, just the idea of having a grownup in your house that cannot really lead a house, but they want the respect of a leader. it's a cognitive dissonance of like, You're following these men, the tiki-takis and the Fresh and Fit and even like the Kevin Samuels and all those other kind of people for black people because there was no like black man representation on that documentary. But even if you think of like Kevin Samuels, Burning Hill or somebody else like him, I would have said, I was going to say Rest in Peace, but he shouldn't, he doesn't deserve that. But like you admire these men, you look up to these men, but you're just sitting at home watching. Coach A: Yeah. Dr. D: watching them on YouTube, doing nothing, talking about what time is dinner, when's dinner, I'm hungry, doing nothing for the woman that's housing you, feeding you and your children, who's probably has your children and is going to work. And you watching Kevin Samuel's like, yeah, that's so right. You should lose weight. And it's like, are we kid, are you serious? Coach A: Yeah. Yeah. Do you think that these men, if that's what we want to call them, do you think that these men are of taking this stance as a response or like a reaction to them feeling like masculinity or being a man, the definition of a man is under attack or being called into question? Dr. D: Maybe? But yeah, I mean sure. think the definition of masculinity, don't know if it's called into question. What's called into question is if men are masculine anymore. Because masculinity is a word that is a static definition. We haven't as a collective decided to change the definition on Webster of what masculinity means. Masculinity has a certain set of characteristics and men are not embodying masculinity anymore. Coach A: Yeah. Dr. D: So now it's like an identity crisis on their end. It's like, no, masculinity has, the bar has not changed. You are failing to meet that bar and now you want to crash out. Because women, if you think about like what it means to be a provider, I'm not going say what it means to be masculine, because that's its own definition, but what it means to be a provider, what it means to be a protector, what it means to be a leader, women are checking all those boxes for themselves. So if they don't need you to be that person, And the crazy thing is it's not even that women don't need that. They want that. Women want to live a soft life. They want to be protected and provided for, but they've grown up for generations where men don't do that. So what do women do, especially black women? What do black women do? We figure it out. We do it for ourselves. We're not going to crash out and be met. if you think about like misogyny, massage war, like black women have nobody to kick. Coach A: Mm-hmm. Dr. D: Black men have somebody to push down. They can push down white women. White women have somebody to push down. They can push down all the other women. That's not white. White men can kick everybody down the mountain. But black women don't have anybody to put that burden onto besides their kids, which is, you know, some do that. like, for the most part, black women aren't, they don't have anybody to offset that burden to. And so they have to carry it. And so, I don't know. I think it's that. Coach A: Mm-hmm. BOOM Dr. D: men just can't and then they push it off on the women. And then it's like, ⁓ well, you don't need me or you're too masculine or you too this or that. And it's like, well, you can do it, but you're choosing not to. So I'm gonna do it. Coach A: Yeah, I think the women that were portrayed in this documentary so the wife of the I think his name was Justin. I don't know the one The white guy from Louisiana I Think they showed his significant other with it on a wife girlfriend, whatever baby mama and then my friend's girlfriend. We talked about that earlier But a lot of these women Dr. D: away from Louisiana. Yeah. Coach A: kind had the same thing in common where it's like they don't really care, allegedly. They don't really care that the relationship that they're in is only monogamous on one side. Like as a woman, you're expected to keep it right, keep it tight. the man can do whatever he want. So I think that there's also a lot of women who also subscribe to this thing. And that's kind of feeding, cause then the man can be like, see, they get it. Like why? ⁓ Dr. D: Yeah. Mm-hmm. For sure. Coach A: They can do it while you can't do it. Like, just get in line. Dr. D: The thing is, there's always gonna be male-centered women. There's always, always, there's not gonna be no shortage of pick-me women. And I think our generation is just now breaking out of that. think 20 years ago, most women were pick-me women. Even if they could provide. If you ever listen to Beyonce, Destiny's Child, and I love Beyonce down, but if you listen to their music from the 90s, you listen to Jill Scott, even now, but if you listen to some of that early 2000s music, if you really listen to the words, it's very much... Coach A: Yeah. Dr. D: I'll do whatever you want. Pick me. I want to be the version of me that you want. Like I'll do whatever. It is very much that. So there's always going to be a population of women that are willing to subscribe to that. And I think my thing is just to have those women. But there's also a group of women who are choosing to go their own path. So you can't be mad at women who are progressing, who are getting degrees, who are getting jobs, who are progressing in their career. Coach A: Mm-hmm. Dr. D: That's a different type of woman. That's not the type of woman that you need. You need a type of woman that's gonna keep it right and tight and be subjective. But the thing is, that is such a short lifespan. That type of woman is only physically desirable to you for a certain period of time. And you're only desirable to them until their frontal lobe develops and they decide to get on. So you're just gonna cycle through this group of young, hot. Coach A: Mm. All right. Dr. D: bimbos for lack of a better term, and they're gonna burn out real quick. That's not sustainable. That's not sustainable. Coach A: Good. And then you get another one. It's evergreen. just, don't stop. Dr. D: And then you get another one and that's fine. But it's just, it's horrible because as the men get older, their desire for 20 year olds doesn't change. Like if you look at a chart, like if you look at a chart as men grow up, like get older, their desire is always gonna be the same age group, that same like standard of fitness and beauty and youth. Even if I'm 50, I'm still gonna have the same attraction to the 20 year old girl. Coach A: Well, I think that there's a, like you said, a frontal lobe part about it too. can't say to the 35 year old that you can say to the 20, the 25 year old. So I think, you know, they're more, ⁓ I don't want say impressionable, but maybe that is the right word. Like you can, they can still kind of be molded ⁓ at that age. Dr. D: Right. Right. Yep. ⁓ Coach A: But by the time they're 35 they'd already been through all of that. They'd already been through the struggle. They already met you, so they don't want to meet you again. They left you already. Dr. D: Right, right. And you just start to develop your own standards. Your own, like, I'm not doing that. Coach A: Mm. Dr. D: think it is very interesting. Just like, this is a cult. Coach A: these men featured in these ⁓ documentaries? Do you think that they genuinely feel this feel this way ⁓ or Do you think that they in some ways playing a role maybe they feel this way, but maybe it's not this extreme But I think they get this extreme ⁓ because it starts paying them Dr. D: Mm-hmm. Yeah, I 100 % think that these men don't 100 % feel the things that they're saying. I don't think they believe all the things that they're saying. Like you can hear them contradict themselves in their talking. And even with what's his name, Tiki Taki, he can acknowledge that he feels this way, but his mom thinks it's wrong. But he respects his mom and he loves his mom and he listens to his mom. So like, you know, you realize that there's a disparity between the person that raised you single mother by the way like raised you and and you you hold her to this regard but yet every other woman is just trash like do you really think that and then the other guys i'm just like the way he keep the the white guy from louisiana how he keeps his wife but really his baby mom like how he keeps her out the picture like she's not in the spotlight he wants to protect her protect his kids so like to some to some extent you have some like value Coach A: Yeah. Dr. D: of your family. Like you don't want to put your kids out there. You don't want to put the mother of your kids out there necessarily. And so I think there's a recognition like they can for sure be misogynist. They can for sure be assholes. However, I think much of it is for the performance, for the stream, for the chat or whatever. They're very much performing for the audience and doing what the audience wants to see. Those random pranks, the Catch a Predator pranks or situations, it is all for them to earn money. Do they women? Yes, but I don't know if that's necessarily how they are off camera. Coach A: Yeah. Yeah, I I think some ways, just like there little boys looking up or young boys looking up to these men, there are also young women, young girls looking up to the women that they're with. And ⁓ as a you're at it from a different perspective, right? You're kind of looking at the woman through all of this and saying, well, she's living this lavish lifestyle. Like, I want that lavish lifestyle. So if all I got to do was deal with him, Dr. D: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Coach A: who already operates at this low ass frequency, like that's light work, but this lifestyle is really what I'm after. So I think a lot of times women are also chasing a check too, just with the man by proxy. Yeah. Dr. D: If for one, mm-hmm. It's, I don't know, it very much reminds me of like a pimpin' hoe dynamic. Because what's his name? Tiki Taki, I wrote down that he has a that manages OnlyFans girls, or he bought a company. So he doesn't believe in sex work, or he doesn't believe in doing OnlyFans. He thinks that that's disgusting and gross. However, he directly benefits from sex work via OnlyFans. Coach A: ⁓ is that? ⁓ yeah. Yeah. Dr. D: or girls like women who perform on OliFans or whatever. And it's like, I don't know. is, do sex workers who have pimps make a profit? I guess so, like sometimes. But ultimately like. you're giving like you're giving a lot of that power to the man and it's like you know sex work is a is a respected field respected industry in this home in this house however when you when you have a man involved all he's doing is exploiting you not protecting you not like doing any of those other things it's kind of like do you really need him like you could make money Coach A: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Dr. D: Only fans by yourself. You can make money being an Instagram model. Like why do need him? Why do you need to be associated with this person? Is the question that I would push back to those young women who look up to the women that are associated with these asshole men. Coach A: Yeah. Dr. D: Yeah, this is a topic that has burned me up my whole life. I've always been super feminist. I've always been super like, why are women treated this way? Why are women talked about this way? And so this is the most I've ever engaged with this kind of content, I guess, for however long the documentary was. like, this is the longest I've had to engage with it in a while. So, yeah. Coach A: Mm-hmm. The red pill type of content Mm. Dr. D: I still feel very angry and upset that these people exist, but more so that they have such a hold on people, especially young black kids, but just kids in general. You're churning out a generation of idiots. Coach A: Yeah, you know, there's another kind of lens I was looking at this through too, which is some of them, at least one of them in the documentary was really big into his faith. And I think that they use that also as an avenue to pull people in to say, like, look, I'm a man, like this is godly. What I'm doing is godly. I'm a man of God. Like this can't be wrong. You know what saying? And again, you attach all of that to the lifestyle that they live in. Dr. D: Okay. Yeah. it's like, that's what you have to think critically because religion has been a tool to oppress people for a very long time. Like maybe not the religion that the person was in this film. Like I don't think it was that same religion, ⁓ like religion is a tool and it's a powerful tool to get people to do what you want. To get people to do what you think because like, Coach A: You gonna be like what? Dr. D: When it comes to this whole thing, like influencers and even like religious leaders, you are basically outsourcing your critical thinking. Like you're asking other people to think for you or you're letting people think and then you're saying, yes, I agree. Or no, I disagree, but most times it's this person that I admire said this, so I agree. Whether it's a preacher or another type of religious leader or even these guys in the manosphere, it's like, I respect this person, so I believe that what they say is the truth. Coach A: Mm-hmm. Dr. D: And it's, think it's using that as a mechanism to like, legitimize some bullshit takes that are not even rooted in anything. I wrote down, ⁓ they make blanket statements about where is or isn't true. Like they just, they, a lot of them talk in what I call fortune cookie talk. Like, like they just say these random quotes, like he who is this is this. And it's like, why are you talking you're reading? It's like, you're reading from a script. it has nothing to do with like, Coach A: Yeah Dr. D: Your answer to a question is something that you could have pulled out of Fortune Cookie. It's like a Magic 8 Ball type answer. And it's like, they take those little sound bites as facts. As actual fact that can govern their life. And that is terrifying. Coach A: ⁓ just to me, like sheer irony of their ⁓ whole business kinda depends on... They preach all of this self sufficiency, right? They preach like, ⁓ you gotta be a hustler, you gotta be a baller, blah blah blah. But their entire business, what funds them is preying on people who are also chasing that. Dr. D: and Coach A: Does that make sense? You got a bunch of broken people. A bunch of broke people. Dr. D: Yeah, who don't believe in mental health. Like one of them was like, ⁓ yeah, I don't believe in depression. Even though I went through all this trauma, I don't believe in depression. That's not real. Because so-and-so said it's not real. Coach A: Yeah. don't this Red Pill content is going anywhere. I definitely think it's going to get worse, for sure. I think it's for sure going to get worse. Especially right now with ⁓ the people charge being who they are. The president and all of these people, right? I think it's going to do nothing but get worse. Dr. D: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yep, you just gotta stay vigilant. And I think like the key is teaching boys especially human decency, like it really is human decency. I think anybody with a shred of critical thought and just like humanity would look at this content and be like, this is disgusting. But unfortunately, there's a lot of people who look at this ⁓ can get convinced that this is the right way to live your life. because no one's taught them about considering other people. Like we live, I think, in such an individualistic society, where it's like, all I care about is me and my family and my money and my this and my that, and we don't consider the perspectives of other people who don't share the same life or identity as you. And I think as girls, as women, I think ⁓ more so conditioned than boys are to be empathetic to other people. Coach A: right Dr. D: to other people's situations. We have to be more emotionally intelligent because our safety depends on it sometimes. Being nice and reading people's moods and all that stuff can be life or death sometimes for a girl or a woman. So I think just we are more conditioned to think about other people, put ourselves in other people's shoes. Where boys don't really have to think about themselves. They don't have to think about their emotions. They don't have to think about other people's emotions. They just go, go, go, crash, crash. Coach A: Yeah. Dr. D: burn, smash, drive, like they just, all about action and what they want. It's not about other people. And so they're so, they're the perfect prey, the perfect victims for this type of content because they already think, only think about themselves. So this is something that is telling them, yes, the instinct that tells you to only think about yourself is correct. The instinct that tells you like that you're better and girls, that girls are dumb and only use for A, B, and C is correct. Coach A: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Dr. D: you are better, you are smarter, you are all these things. And you know, that probably feels good to a boy who's in the low group and all the girls in the high group every day. Coach A: Yeah. Do you think- Dr. D: You know, like that might feel outdated. Coach A: Do you think that there's a demographic of women who would be considered the direct opposite of the men that embody the menosphere? Dr. D: Mm-hmm. I mean, there's like the femininity coaches, they're not like, I don't think they're the direct opposite. think they might even, they might fall in line more with the, with those guys. I think of like the Shira Sevens, like the Sprinkle Sprinkles, the women who know that system, who know that Red Pill content and lean into it for their own gain. those people who who have pretty privilege or who have the like ability to float in and out of that world. Coach A: Mmm. Mm-hmm. Dr. D: but are using it for their own security and gain and not becoming victims to it. Because at the end of the day, in some places you can't really escape that mindset. Like we talk about the culture that we're raised in or the city or town that we're raised in. You kind of become entrenched in that system. And if you, unless you want to move across the planet or across the country or, you know, completely ⁓ isolate ⁓ Sometimes kind of have to play the game where you are. Coach A: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Dr. D: in that society and so I think like a Shira Seven, I don't know who else makes that kind of content but I follow Shira Seven who tells women how to play that like yeah I'm a damn someone distressed I'm just so ⁓ I'm so mindless and so thoughtless I forgot to go grocery shopping can I please have some money to go grocery shopping and when I get that money will I pocket most of it? Yes. Coach A: Yeah. Alright. Dr. D: And then it's, ⁓ no, I'm just so dumb and dumb and stupid and like, I wish that you could, I just need a leader to just do it for me, take me, like, you know, stuff like that, to play into that ego mania that men sometimes have, especially men who make money. Because she don't, the thing about Sheerah 7 is like, she's not telling you to go for a bum. She's telling you to go for the man who the bums look up to. So there's no, I don't know if there's an influencer telling women to go for the bums that follow. Coach A: Yeah. Right. Dr. D: Tiki-Taki, she telling you how to get the Tiki-Taki. Coach A: Yeah. Dr. D: So and I don't know if anybody would tell somebody to go follow to go pursue a follower of a tiki-taki because why would you do that? He given all he given all his money to to him to the pyramid scheme Coach A: We need like, pink pool content. Dr. D: Pig pill, ooh, I mean, I don't know. trademark that. pill content I think yeah mm-hmm I think I don't know what pink pill content would entail I think if you ask me it would be like empowering women to do the opposite of what these red pill men want you to do because women like the thing is women are already doing these things but I think Coach A: Big poker, Zayn ⁓ Mm-hmm. Dr. D: it could be so easy to fall into like, well, if I want a man, need to dump myself down or I need to lower my standards. think pink, pink pill content will be telling you not to. It will be telling you to raise those standards up. And now the dating pool is very slim up there. I would imagine like that's, that's where it gets kind of tricky. And that's where, that's where black women, especially date out their race or like do other things. And we talked about maybe they try being, being a little gay sometimes because the men ain't doing what they need to do. But Coach A: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Dr. D: At the end of the day, don't think that women should lower their standards. So to me, Coach A: I think that another element of the Pinkpill concept will probably be like... In the Red Pill content, the women are expected to be monogamous, whether men are not. So maybe the Pink Pill content would also have like, yeah, to him is one sided monogamy, but I also have, I got my little boyfriend on the side too. You know what saying? I got my side piece too. Dr. D: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So you want brother husbands? Not sister wives but brother husbands. That sounds like such a chore and so that sounds so unpleasant. having to deal with multiple men sounds like so annoying. But I think I'm so far in like the woman like a Coach A: Correct. Correct. I agree, that sounds like too much work. Dr. D: woman-centered, I think, in my mind and in my politics and in my intellectualism. I don't really see men in that way. I don't know, a lot of this is a little foreign, but. I just want better. Ultimately, I just want better. I want better for the women around me that might feel like they have to settle or be a sister wife or be in a one-sided monogamous relationship. Are you kidding? Coach A: Yeah. Dr. D: You can, you can, women are able to like provide for themselves, do for themselves. And so really what you need at the bare minimum is a man that's gonna make you feel good. That's gonna be nice to you. Like at the bare minimum, you gotta be nice. Like you can't, you can't be broke and mean. Like you can't be a dependent and mean to me. Are you kidding me? And I think that's what most men are. Those right pill men are, are, are bums and they're mean. Coach A: Bye. Dr. D: So why would women deal with that? Well, they don't have to because they're lonely, I guess, like because they're lonely. But it's like the bar is just so low, the bar is just so low. And I just urge women to raise it. Coach A: the barn. bars for sure in hell. Dr. D: Like the bars in hell, and apparently hell has a basement. Cause there's many even lower than that. Coach A: Mmm. Dr. D: Cause what? Like to me, I don't know. It's easy for me to say. It's very easy for me to say because that's not the life that I live, I guess. But I just don't understand in 2026. Like I couldn't understand in 1976 or 1986 when you couldn't, like you needed a man's permission to get a credit card back then. So like, get it. Like you, I get it. I did not go through life in that time, but I realized how limiting it could be. Coach A: Can you imagine? Yeah. Dr. D: you have to ⁓ literally need a man to do stuff, to move around, to get a car, to get a house. Like you needed a man to co-sign with whether it was your dad or a husband or somebody. Like even to get birth control or an abortion you had to get like, or a tube style, you had to get a man's permission, which is crazy to even think that you had to get a man's permission for you to do something inside your own body. So I get it, like we are so brainwashed or we are so like, ⁓ cooked as a society when comes to women. Coach A: Mm-hmm. Dr. D: women's liberation, it's very counterintuitive to feel as a woman you should be a leader and a provider and all that stuff, even though we've been doing it ⁓ the beginning of time. Coach A: See, but now we're getting to a point where back then, like you said, had to ask for permission. Like you had to ask for permission to get your tubes out or whatever, right? Now we got men in charge. They not even saying come ask me for permission no more. They showed up telling you, you can't do it. You make an abortion. They made an abortion literally illegal. Dr. D: You can't. Yep. Like you could actually go to jail. Like more women have gone to jail for getting abortions than people that were on the Epstein files. Zero people have been arrested after the Epstein files came out, but hundreds of women have been arrested for trying to seek health care. Coach A: Hello. Hmm. My record. Dr. D: We're cooked, like we are cooked as a society, which is why like, I had a professor tell me one time, ⁓ this was like a leadership class or a school leadership class, but he said basically like, if I had it my way, I would take all the money. This sounds bad, but he said I would take all the money out of every other like middle schools, elementary schools, high schools. I would take all the budget that I can, scrape all the extra money from all of those levels and put it all into kindergarten. If I could take all the extra money. and put it in the kindergarten and make the most bestest kindergarten ever, then 10 years from now, it doesn't even matter. Because the kids have such a good foundation academically, because we put so much into their very first few years of education, by the time they get to 12th grade, they're gonna be productive. They're gonna be good because they had that foundation as opposed to having a little bit of energy in kindergarten, a little bit of money in first grade, all the way up. Put all the money in kindergarten. Coach A: Mm-hmm. Dr. D: So that way you don't have to worry about it when you get to 12th grade because they have a good foundation. So I think when it comes to this red pill content, people who are grown, like sure, if you change your ways, great. If you realize you have an epiphany, but this is a crazy way to live, then great. But the little kids, like the seven, eight, nine year olds that are like maybe casually getting a video on TikTok or casually getting a video on YouTube shorts or whatever. By the time that eight or nine year old is a grownup, he's been indoctrinated so bad. Coach A: Hmm. Dr. D: then it's it's kind of going to be hard to switch that off. But you have to like, as parents, as people who are responsible for children now, you got to keep that in check in your house to make sure that that's not what they're consuming, number one, cause kid, know, that stuff is an endless scroll. So how do you monitor that, that what those kids get, but you should be monitoring it. Coach A: Right, right. Yeah, yeah. for I would agree that there's definitely a window around that kindergarten age where it's you, it's such a critical window. What you teach them in that little bit of window. Dr. D: Mm-hmm. It's make or break sometimes. Coach A: Yeah, make or break. So, I mean, shit. What is my- I'm glad with that, shoot! Put all the money in the kindergarten! That way by the time it gets to third grade when they start using them kids' scores to figure out how many prisons they gon' build, they be alright. Dr. D: Yeah, like it's a Right, right. They'll be fine because you already planted the seed. Like trying to get a fifth grader to like math is way different than trying to get a five year old to like math. And when you five, you're open to everything. You aren't checked out academically. You still care about what you're doing every day. The same way with these kids. Like you can influence them in so many directions. Coach A: Correct. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Dr. D: But if you let them just scroll on Instagram or TikTok or whatever for hours a day, you're gonna crank out a little incel. the time he 18, he gonna be a he-man-woman-hater. Coach A: Yeah, put a basketball in their hand. Dr. D: something a book a basketball candle a sword something Coach A: woah sword woah nah exactly exactly Dr. D: Like fencing? All right. And this is how I know that Leo speaks English, because he really comes in on the right time. Coach A: You know niggas don't fence? What are you talking about? Dr. D: ⁓ Mind you, he's sleep. Coach A: Exactly! That's how you know! It's a black dog, he know! Dr. D: crazy. Anyway. What's he gonna do, breach a scout? Coach A: the hell is you talking about? Dr. D: Literally, what's gonna do? Something, put something, put something in their hands that would, that would not make them become a little incel by the time they're in sixth, seventh grade. Being a creep or assaulting somebody in their class. Coach A: Mmm. Yeah, and that's the thing, especially from being on social media a whole lot more now since we have the podcast. The amount of young kids who are on these apps and are consuming the same content. So the same content that a 15 or 14 year old might scroll across is the same content that that six or seven year old might scroll across. The difference, I feel like the six and seven year old can grow up to do a whole hell of a lot more damage because they starting early. Dr. D: Right. They started early. There's no kids section of the internet. Coach A: Period. Dr. D: There's no kids TikTok, there's no kids Instagram. There is a kids YouTube, but it's bad stuff on kids YouTube as well. Like it's crazy stuff on kids. Coach A: Yeah, they gonna find it. But even if it is, even if it is a kids version, they gonna find a way to get to the version they not supposed to be on. Like it just is what it is. It is what it is. Dr. D: right right and i think a part of it is like we talked about this enough maybe another episode about the third spaces thing but the tv and movies and stuff there's not a there's not a market anymore for that like middle school media like what are the movies what are the tv shows what is the channel that ⁓ sixth grader can go to and all the all the shows are like relevant to them it's not it's just it's coca melon to baddies Coach A: Yeah. I was just watching a TikTok video about Zoey one on one the other day, I was like, ⁓ we damn sure that show did exist. Dr. D: And that was a show because the kids in the show was the same age as us. So it was relatable. There is no show, to my knowledge, there's not a lot of shows out there that have the same demographics as either baby kid shows I don't know, 13 reasons why. Coach A: Right. But you know, another thing is a lot of companies and stuff don't put, they don't pump a lot of money into TV anymore because that long form content is not what people, kids specifically are looking for. And where is the short term content on their phone? So a lot of them have switched into pumping millions of dollars into this short form content. Dr. D: Yeah. Easy. We're have short-form brains and short-form jobs and short-form relationships. Everything can't be short-form. Coach A: Mm! Dr. D: We gonna have short form minds. Not me. Y'all stay safe. Everything I watch on YouTube is 45 minutes plus. Coach A: Mara Mara Dr. D: But it's like that stamina, like this is a different conversation, but like I think the intellectual stamina is what we're extinguishing that. Like we're exterminating that in people by feeding into the, everybody wants short form content. Like I was in a meeting and somebody was not selling something, but explaining their content as snackable, snackable workshops, snackable lesson plans. And I'm like, what happened to? Coach A: Yeah. Yeah. boy, size. Dr. D: What happened to like a Boston market type of type of thing like why what happened to like a protein and ⁓ a Starch and a green vegetable why we can't have that Why do we have to have a pop tart as a workshop? Why can't we have the full thing? Why can't kids like are we saying that they're not capable of it? They're not capable of thinking for 45 minutes They can only think in five minutes ⁓ burst at time before they get burnt out Coach A: Right. Yeah. Yeah. Dr. D: And I think like that is what's so frustrating to me as an educator is like we are as an industry. catering to that as opposed to having them meet us where we want them to meet us. We're going down the same way women are instead of having men meet us at the standard. We are dumbing ourselves down to allow men to be comfortable in their mediocrity. The same way we're allowing kids to be comfortable in mediocrity because what you mean short form? Coach A: You know, as a I'm asking you this question and maybe you know the answer, hopefully you know the answer, but I noticed that, so when I was in high school, we had four periods a day. And I think years after I graduated school, they switched to like six periods or something like that. Like it was ⁓ shorter periods, but a lot of them in the day. Dr. D: Yeah. Coach A: Who said that that change needed to be made? And I wonder if this kind of research about how kids' are, their attention spans are getting smaller and smaller and smaller, well now we can't have the class that's an hour and a half. We have to shorten it to 50 minutes because that's only, yeah, you only gonna have them for 50 minutes. And that's pushing it. Dr. D: Yeah. Yeah, because they can't focus. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Like I think, I think it definitely is a deliberate decision based on how kids perform and probably data. I'm sure there was a lot of data that went into that. Well, kids check out at this time or like they, they always are good in their first period, but they suck in their second period. Like whatever it is, it probably is like performance data tied to it. But I think even that is not as bad. ⁓ anybody, as an adult, do I want to sit in the meeting for an hour and a half? No. Coach A: Yeah. Yeah. Dr. D: Like nobody wants to sit in one room for an hour and a half. I think that's different than saying, all right, instead of your 50 minute class or in your 50 minute class, 10 minutes of it is gonna be a game. And then 10 minutes of it is gonna be another game. And then you're gonna watch a YouTube video and then you're gonna get on your Chromebooks. it's that like, how you fill that space. Like I even think 50 minutes is fine. that's a normal amount of time to sit for one thing. But the way the content is going is trying to be super easy peasy and like, all right, stand up, sit down. it's definitely a balance that we're going the wrong way. Coach A: Yeah. How is that going to translate when those kids grow up? How does that translate to the workplace? Dr. D: It's going to be really complicated, especially as boomers are not freaking good. They don't want to retire. They're like, I feel like boomers are going to be in the workforce until they're skeletons. Like until you have to physically peel them out of their cubicles. Boomers aren't going nowhere. Like they just aren't. They're not retiring. And so when you have so many generations in a workforce and boomers, because they've worked for so long, they're more likely to be leaders in the organization more statistically, like I would hope. Coach A: Thank Dr. D: that after 50 years in the workforce, you was the CEO. So you have that juxtaposition of the leadership having this idea of what the workplace should look like and has looked like. And then you have the entry level, mid level, people who are like, this is just archaic and this and then like, we should be remote and then like, I think there's gonna be a lot of conflict, but ultimately you just have to wait for the boomers to like get out. I think Gen X is. Coach A: Right. Dr. D: Even Gen X is still kind of like rigid in their belief system, I would say, around what the workplace looks like, what's a good job, what's a good amount of time to spend at a job, and they're not going anywhere anytime soon. So I think it's gonna be a lot of conflicts, honestly, because you have these young people fresh out of college, COVID graduates, by the way, COVID college students, by the way, who had the easiest time, I'm not gonna say easiest, because that's crazy, but academically probably one of the easier. Coach A: Mm, for sure. Dr. D: times to be in college because you not in person, you could do it from home, you could kind of phone it in, you got AI, like you have so many things at your disposal that other generations didn't have. when our papers was due at 1159, we was ⁓ typing until 1158. You could go, if your paper's due at 1159, you could ask chat and have something to turn in. It might be bad, but you have something to at least turn it. So I think in the workforce, we're gonna see a lot of... ⁓ Coach A: Right. Dr. D: conflicts around a lot of Gen Z is getting fired even like right now like they're getting fired for not being able to take initiative not thinking critically waiting for somebody to prompt them for every single thing they can just sit there at their desk for 45 minutes until somebody tells them what to do as opposed to saying instead of saying ⁓ our team is working on this let me see if i can help let me ask somebody if i can help or if you say hey Johnny can you do this or can you email this person for this and the person don't email you back so you sit Coach A: I noticed that. Dr. D: for a week and then when I say, did you follow up or did you get that email? it's like, ⁓ they never responded. Period, full stop. And it's like, so did you reach out? Did you call? Did you like send a carrier for like, did you do anything to try to get them? So it's that, that's so, so frustrating in the workforce of like, ⁓ like, ⁓ nobody told me to do this. Nobody told me to say this so I didn't say it, but you know it needed to be said, but nobody told you to say it so you didn't say it. Coach A: WHY?! Man. for sure. as a people manager of engineers, that this is like preaching to the choir, what we talking about. And then you gotta deal with the fact that on top of that, they already a little bit awkward. know, like a lot of engineers, a lot of people who are in the STEM fields, some of them tend to be a little awkward. So it's like, they awkward already, then you throw this on top of it. I can't even communicate with you. Dr. D: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Great. Coach A: Mm. Dr. D: Yeah, ⁓ my mental health. ⁓ I my mental health. need a mental health day. I'm burnt out. Like, I don't know. I think I sit right in the middle. do some things need to change? Yes. But ultimately, do your work. Like nobody's here because they want to be here. We're all selling our labor for money. we're all selling our time for money. ⁓ I give my this, they give me money. And so it doesn't always have to be. Coach A: Mm-hmm. Dr. D: something that you want to do or something that you're like super enthused about, it's a job. That's why it's called a job and not a fun vacation where you could do whatever you want. Like you have to, you have to, have to, have to realize that. And I don't know. think people are just more, Gen Z is more like, ⁓ no, I have to come into the office. And it's like, yeah, we have an office. sometimes we have to go there. Like, ⁓ man, on a Friday? Yes. Coach A: You Dr. D: have to work sometimes on Fridays. what are we talking about? But one Friday, one Thursday, it's like, ⁓ man, it's sick bro. Like I don't know what to tell you. I don't know what to tell you. You're selling me your time. You're selling it, not me, but you're selling somebody your time. And a part of that time you have to show up physically in person. Coach A: on friday Bye. Yeah. Why is that so hard? Because they're very anti-social. They're anti-social and socially awkward. Dr. D: We want. very but that's not I mean you we could we don't know I don't have a crystal ball like we don't know what the future of the workforce is but I will say human intelligence is ⁓ in the artificial age of artificial intelligence human intelligence is still important. Coach A: and it will be undefeated. I get what you're Dr. D: Right. If all your intelligence is artificial, I'm saying I'm scared for you. I think I'm very, as a person who's gone through 12 years of schooling, plus a bachelor's, plus a master's, plus a doctorate, before AI, before I even knew about it, before I knew about a chat GPT, I feel so lucky that I could think for myself, because I think some people are just dependent on it right now. Coach A: down might. They're that $20 subscription fee every month and living off of it. Operating off of it. Dr. D: Nah, I could never. I could never. is AI bad? AI is bad. Like, it's bad for the planet. But I don't know if that means single people who just use it in their own on their own devices. I don't think that's what's draining the world. I think it's those big companies. But still, is AI fun to play around with? Do I want to see myself as a teddy bear? Sure, but like, ⁓ I'm using that to use my heat to email. Coach A: for sure. What kind of furry shit you want? Dr. D: I'm just saying, like, did I make myself a teddy bear? No. No, I didn't. Not yet. Do I want... What would I look like if I was like Harriet Tubman's sister? That's what I would ask. Like, what would I look like in the 18th? Coach A: Okay. What? Like, chat, what would I look like as Winnie the Pooh? Nah, chat gonna pull off something crazy you put that in. You know chat. Dr. D: Make me as a Disney princess, you know? That's the kind of stuff I be using chat for it, which is not still not good, but like, hey, I'm here for a good time, not a long time. Coach A: using your brain cells for different things. Dr. D: I'm not going talk about what you Google searched before this. Coach A: No, we not gonna talk about what I grew up with before this. It wasn't before this, I think that was yesterday, but anyway. Dr. D: Please. But for you to be Googling it in 2026. Coach A: Yeah, you know, I looked at my Google. I don't even know what we were looking at, but we was on the phone. I was trying to Google something. I put up my Google and the last searched Google term was, how do bears hibernate? And I swear I don't remember typing that, but whatever. guess I wanted to know how bears hibernate. Dr. D: Hmm. Final information. Final information. Well. Coach A: You never know. I didn't get Zubux as a kid. I'm so sorry. Dr. D: I did. I love Azu book. See, I've been a reader since birth. Like I've had magazine subscriptions since like six years old. Coach A: Hell yeah, and when you was reading about ostriches and all that other craziness as a JIT. So now you got a bunch of useless animal knowledge you can pull out at a happy hour. I love that for you. Dr. D: Mm-hmm. What was you reading? I sure can. I love pointing out the difference between oviparous animals and viviparous animals. It's one of my favorite fun things. Coach A: Yo the next time we go out, you gotta pull that one out. We we schmoozing? You gotta pull that one out like- did y'all know? Dr. D: Schmoozing is crazy. Do you want to actually join the Herpetology Society? Listen, it doesn't have anything to do with herpes. doesn't have anything to do with herpes, promise. It has something to do with snakes. Coach A: Hang out. THE WHAT? No, no, no, do not No, no, no, no, Still no. You told that one in morning? Dr. D: Better than herpes? Yeah, so the herpetology society goes around and they like identify snakes in nature. Like they go out and be like, That's a whatever, a corn snake or a milk snake. And you just go look at them. You might pick it up, take a picture and then put it back. And that's like the, no, you just be a part of it. Well, on that note, yes. Yes, for the love of the game. For the love of snakes. For the love of snakes. Coach A: Is it paid? Then no. You're beautiful, Thorne! the fuck i look like? do i look like? what? Whoo! Listen, that's what got Adam and Eve caught up now, doosnakes. No, I'm playing. Dr. D: I'll send you a link. Listen, snakes are so incredibly misunderstood and that's another episode for another day. Snakes are so misunderstood. They're basically just... We'll have a single episode of Darielle's Corner. Darielle's Corner where we discuss snakes that I like. Coach A: It's never gonna be an episode because I'm not... I'm not putting my name on that. in herpes-tology apparently because that's what i thought you said Dr. D: Herpetology. Herpetology. I'll send you a link. Coach A: Please don't. You ain't gonna mess up my algorithm. I get one herpetology video. Dr. D: You made me watch the Manosphere. You made me watch the Manosphere. I can put some snakes on your algorithm. I think that's a fair trade. Fair trade is no robbery. Fair trade is no robbery. Coach A: that's crazy work we got that is your brain cuz then I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to do we not we're gonna ever be even I'm not to get my look back again Dr. D: Yes, my brain. Please. You get your look back. Coach A: Please. Dr. D: On that note, I gotta go. Got a blast. Coach A: Well guys, the doctor has to go be a doctor. I don't know about that. Dr. D: About doctoring? Me neither, really. Coach A: Mm-mm. ⁓ Dr. D: Exactly. I don't encourage you to watch it. I encourage you to watch anything else. Coach A: There's probably a world full of people that don't even know what Red Pill content is. Because they don't- they're not on that side. Yeah. Dr. D: and they're better for it. Ignorance is bliss. Knowledge is power, but ignorance is bliss. Coach A: Well, as a parent, I encourage you to watch it to see what your kids could be could be, you know, watching on a Tiki Tok. But anyhow, we appreciate y'all tuning in. Please tell us what you think. Have you watched a documentary? What did you think about it? Or are you a red pillar yourself? I don't know. Tell us all about it. Or a pink pillar. Dr. D: fair. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. or a pink pillar, as you red pill or a pink pill, drop the emojis in the chat. Coach A: I feel like y'all headquaters got Blossom and a pink panther right on the side on the walls. Dr. D: It would be, it would be RuPaul or Destiny's Child. Coach A: Mm. Anywho, hope you have a wonderful day. We'll see y'all next week. Stay prayed up, stay blessed up. Dr. D: We love y'all. Bye.