AJ and Erika: On last week's episode, we introduced y'all to the Enneagram and we all learned a lot about three very different personality types. Today we're going continue diving into the Enneagram and how our personality types impact us as runners. ⁓ Hey there, friends. Welcome to episode number 50. Holy cow. Erica, how in the world did we make it to 50? I don't know. It's crazy. We started this podcast. Well, I mean, I mean, we're coming up on a year. And we started it the first week of July last year. And I have no idea how we've made it this far. It's amazing, right? It's so fun and ⁓ also like so embarrassing when I go back and watch like our first. videos and listen to our first two episodes. I'm like, we've come a long way in the year. You have come a long way in the year. What do you mean I have? Kidding, we both have. I can't some somebody said the other day they went back and started over. And I'm like, I don't know how. I don't know how you went back and listened to us from a year ago. Even six months ago. Like they just, yeah, what do they say? You know, like ⁓ repetition and practice mixed whatever. And so I'm sure we're gonna look listen to this episode in six months and say, ⁓ my gosh, we're so bad at that. Right, right. ⁓ but Thank you all for sticking around this whole time. ⁓ this is episode number 50. We cannot believe we've made it this far. ⁓ I remember when we passed seven and I was like, ta-da! We've made it. Yeah. So pretty exciting. Today we're gonna continue our three-part series on how the things that motivate us impact our running. The goal is for us to understand ourselves a little bit better as well as those around us. Erica, did you enjoy last week's episode with the twos, threes, and fours? That's the Helpers, the achievers and the romantics. Yes. It was so good. I don't know if I really liked it because it's our numbers were like represented in that group ⁓ or what. But it was it was really fun. And it was fun to talk to other people who are the same numbers as us to see like, ⁓ yeah, that's the same for them as well. So totally fun. We want you to be able to hear from other runners who are both similar to you and also very different from you. For these episodes, we've invited a handful of guests who all know their Iranian gram types and have done some homework for the discussion. They are totally normal everyday people intentionally. They aren't experts, influencers, or teachers. They are literally Run Disney runners just like the rest of us. Yep. By design. And we are so excited for you to meet this week's guests. Erica, before we do that, can we read this week's Apple Podcast review? Yep. Let's do it. This week's review comes from C Thompson. Is that Corey Thompson? It Corey Thompson. We know Corey Thompson. Good friend of ours. Yeah. I I run with him on Saturdays. Yes, you do. Awesome. All right, Corey says, I really enjoyed listening to this podcast. I'm a huge Disney nerd and have not yet run a Disney race. It is on my list of races to do though. I'm really excited to sign up for Princess's upcoming year. And after listening to AJ and Erica, I've learned so much and feel that when the time comes, I'll be fully prepared to have my best race and to get through signups and all the other difficult things more easily. That's awesome. Thank you, Corey, for the review. I've invited Corey on the podcast in the future. ⁓ fine. ⁓ sometime, probably coming up in the fall. Because Corey has a, I don't remember off the top of my head, a streak. He ran every day for like, I'm gonna say five years or something like that. And so I it said, Hey, you want to come on the podcast and talk about that sometime? And so when we can fit that in, Corey's coming on the podcast. The part that blows my mind about that is that he ran every day for like five years and didn't get an injury. Like Yeah, that's why I want to ask him about it. Is because it's not whatever, like scientifically where and I do understand from him having talked to him about it, like. Some of those were just, hey, I'm dead sick and whatever, it's Christmas Eve, whatever it is. And he went out and did a mile and came back in to keep a streak going. So I I literally I have a million questions. ⁓ yeah. And we're very off track at the very beginning of this episode. Perfect. But ⁓ you have that to look forward to. You what it's okay, AJ, because people like our banter. They say they do. They do. We're gonna find out if that's right. If the ⁓ viewership drops off. Well no, it's because we went on a tangent. That's right. That's right. Corey, thanks for the review. ⁓ one other thing I wanted to thank our crew members that are making this podcast possible. ⁓ y'all are amazing. You're making this whole thing just like you're taking it up a notch, right? Like we're able to do so much more because of your support. So thank you all for doing that. We really appreciate it. Stick around for the end of the episode. Our friend Grant from the Pelky Running Club stopped by and he's gonna ⁓ help clue us in on some stuff for their Pelky Running Club weekend. I think they call it pelkie running weekend. I don't know. That again. It's a question. A question. Yeah, like with Corey. Like I don't have the answer. I'm gonna ask smarter people. So anyway, stick around after our conversation with our friends today because Grant is gonna give us the details. If you have any interest in being a part of that ⁓ pelky weekend, ⁓ he's gonna tell us the details. Awesome. Let's talk about upcoming topics, shall we? Next week we're going to wrap up our series on personality types. We'll be talking with our friends, the challenger, the peacemaker, and the perfectionists. ⁓ that'll wrap up the series, but today we're right in the middle of it. Yes. ⁓ Let's do a quick recap because we introduced the nine types. Let's go through those again in case somebody missed it. Totally. I will say this though, if you have not listened to last week's episode, this is probably the only time I've ever said pause. Right. Go back and listen. Yeah. ⁓ it's totally worth listening to that one before this one. Listen to episode 49 before this one. But we are going to recap in like two or three minutes or less the nine types, just so you don't have to go back and listen. If you have heard it, we just want to remind you. Erica, you want to ⁓ start us off with the nine types? Yep. So let's start with type one. They are called the perfectionists or sometimes the reformers. They are ethical, dedicated, and reliable. They're motivated by a desire to live the right way, improve the world, and avoid fault and blame. Perfect. Type two is the helper, also known as the giver. They are warm, caring, and giving, and they are motivated by a need to be loved and needed. Type three is the performer or the achiever. They are success-oriented, image conscious, and wired for productivity. They are motivated by a need to be or appear to be successful and to avoid failure. Type four is the romantic, also known as the individualist. They're creative, sensitive, and moody. They are motivated by a need to be understood, experience their oversized feelings, and avoid being ordinary. Type five is the investigator or the analyst. They are analytical, detached, and private. They are motivated by a need to gain knowledge, conserve energy, and avoid relying on others. Type six is the loyalist, they're committed, practical, and witty. They are worst case scenario thinkers who are motivated by fear and the need for security. Type 7 is the enthusiast. They are fun, spontaneous, and adventurous. They are motivated by a need to be happy, to plan stimulating experiences, and to avoid pain. Type eight is the challenger, commanding, intense, and confrontational. They are motivated by a need to be strong and avoid feeling weak or vulnerable. Type 9 is the peacemaker. They are pleasant, laid back, and accommodating. They are motivated by a need to keep the peace, merge with others, and avoid conflict. Perfect. So that's a quick, like non-detailed list. ⁓ I mean, each type is so much more detailed than that. If you want more information, yeah, we highly recommend reading The Road Back to You. We've said it now for several episodes in a row. Ian Morgan Cron is the author. Totally recommend it. You can do the personality tests and all that online. But if you really want to know your number or the number of those people around you, yeah. Totally worth a read. And we're pulling everything that we're doing on this episode and these episodes is coming out of that book. Yeah. Okay. Let's dive in with our friends, the analyst, loyalist, and enthusiast. Let's introduce our friends who are on the podcast. We're gonna start with Ben. Ben is a five. Five is the investigator, also known as the analyst. ⁓ and they're kind of like the phrase that sums them up in general, right? You can't sum somebody up, but kind of like a general statement is I've researched every variable and I've got this. That's like what a five would say. So before they ever show up to a start line, they'd done all the research, studied every training philosophy and analyzed their data inside and out. They love data. And so we have Ben on. He's a five. Ben, would you agree with all of that kind of generalization about a five? Yeah, 100%. ⁓ describes me to a T, I'd say. Yeah, my funny story about you is you and I have not met in person yet, but I sent you instructions about two weeks ago, right? About how to get on the podcast. Here's the link, yada, yada, yada. Where's some headphones? And you replied back with like the best five email I've ever seen, which was here are the three computer options I have, the microphone combinations and the headphone combinations. Which one would you prefer that I use? And I'm like, that is the most five research thing I've ever heard somebody say. Anyway, welcome to the podcast. We're super excited to have you. Thank you. Glad to be here. All right. Next up we have Kylie. Kylie is a six, which is the loyalist. Loyalists need to feel safe, supported, and secure. Type sixes are loyal, dependable, and thrive when they have a trusted plan and a community around them. Anxiety is often their companion in training and racing. Kylie, does that sound right for you? It does, but like at first I was like, me anxious? No. And then I got anxious about being described as anxious. So I would say that probably. That probably fits me just fine. But also, yeah, like, yeah, all of that and the above totally fits me. Perfect. We're excited to learn more about the six. And and we're we actually have two sixes on the podcast. Kevin is also a six. ⁓ so he's a loyalist. And another kind of note about the loyalists is they thrive with structured, predictable training plans and they are excellent running partners because of that community element you were just talking about. So Kevin, do you agree that you are like, do you agree with everything we've said about the six? For the most part, ⁓ I am a nerd, I am a data nerd. So I will like, you know, when I first started running years ago, I would actually I had a spreadsheet of all my runs at the beginning because I'm like, okay, am I going faster and so on and so forth? But as as time has gone by, I've kind of gotten away from that. But anxiousness, we're friends. We've been friends for 40 years. Do you agree with the community element? Do you like running with others? Like, ⁓ do you agree with that? Yes and no. Sometimes I do. Sometimes I just like running by myself because part of the reason is I'm just so slow. You know, I I'll I'll I've accepted the fact that I'm never gonna win any races and I'm just doing doing good to finish. So I I don't mind running with people, but I'm also not minding if I'm running by myself. So Okay. I think Kylie is a runner with other people from everything I see online, right? Like you love running with people, right, Kylie? ⁓ a hundred percent. I mean like literally how I started running was my friend was like, Hey, do you wanna do a five K with like a bunch of us girls in, you know, downtown? I was like, Yeah, why not? And it wasn't this whole like, I mean, I've never run before that, hated running my whole life, hadn't run since middle school, but like there was a group. So of course I'm gonna go. And then basically the reason I signed up for my first marathon was because there was a group chat and I'm a sucker for a good group chat and I'm proud of it. So nice, nice. It's awesome. All right, our next number up is the seven. Jessica is a seven, which is the enthusiast. Something you might hear them say is running is supposed to be fun. Let's make it an adventure. Type sevens are the life of any running group. They're enthusiastic, fun-loving, and always looking for the next adventure. They probably signed up for a race on the other side of the country approximately four to five minutes after hearing about it. Jessica, does that sound about right? There's a reason I love Rome Disney, because I love fun. So definitely sounds right. Except all the bad parts of being a seven. That's totally not right. But all the good parts, yes. Just kidding. That's hilarious. Jessica and Kevin. Have we established the fact that they're married yet? Nope, they're married. We have not. They're married just like six and a seven married together. And that was that was a design to have y'all both on the podcast because we wanted to have another married couple. ⁓ but we have a funny story about them. So our funny story about y'all is that ⁓ we first met y'all at the Rise and Run meetup. ⁓ what weekend was that? It was Marathon Week. Marathon weekend. Our first Rise and Run. Yes. And so we we it sort of like after we had just started the podcast and we were like, maybe we'll meet some people. I don't really know. We were super nervous. And Jessica and Kevin walked up to and they're like, We think we know you. They were the first people. They were the first people. You guys were the first people to to introduce yourselves to us. And it was awesome. It meant a lot. So fun, and I love it. Awesome. And then we have another seven. Yes. I said we had a large group. We do this. This is fun. And and this voice, as soon as you hear it, everyone's gonna be like, wait a minute, I know that voice. Right. And it's because we have Natalie from the Stride Sisters podcast. He's also a seven. Seven's just the Love doing wild and fun things. And my fun story about Natalie before she comes in is that she did the springtime surprise surprise for friends of hers, like we did with us. But she flew with a layover and all that to surprise friends. So just like a seven. Natalie, welcome to one more run the podcast. Does this sound like you? ⁓ it sure does. Thank you for having me. We're super thanks for joining us. We're super excited. Thanks for ⁓ creating a little crossover moment for us. We appreciate it. So Erica, let ⁓ now that we know who's on the podcast, why don't we ⁓ just dive right in? Yeah. So ⁓ I want to dive in with when you guys learned your Enneagram type, right? So let's go five, six, seven. ⁓ we'll go in order on this one. When and don't be too long-winded with it because we've got a lot to cover tonight. When did you first learn your type and what was your reaction to it when you first learned? Ben, can I ask you first? You're five. Yeah, sure. ⁓ so I'm a teacher. And so when I was doing my master's program, which was probably maybe like 20 years ago, we did a number personality tests like Myers Briggs and Enneagram and you know, get to know ourselves better and how to work better with our students and our colleagues. And so yeah, when I first saw all the descriptions of a five, I was just like, Yep, this is totally me, both the positives and the negatives. It was kind of eerie how accurate it described me, I think. Yeah, that was me as well. ⁓ sixes. ⁓ what Kevin, you mind telling us when did you first learn about it? ⁓ about three weeks ago. ⁓ when we were actually getting ready for this, it is something that I had been meaning to do and I just one of those things on my to do list. I've taken the disc test before. Yeah. So I know all about that, but I'd never actually done an Enneagram. And so when I looked at it and it said loyalists, I'm like, yep, that's me. Cause like I'm I'm change is bad. I don't like change. Yeah. And so I'll stick with something as long as it works for me and doesn't mess up. So that's and and anxiousness has always been Especially more when I was younger, not quite so much when I was as I've gotten older. I've kind of gotten an angle on it, but I still get anxious quite a bit. So Kylie, you're also a six. When'd you learn about it? And do you agree? It was after you asked if I knew what my number was. ⁓ I'm glad we could introduce this to y'all. Yes. I've done the other personality tests, like Myers, Briggs, and things. ⁓ and I love this kind of stuff. And I did at first kind of the same thing, like, ⁓ loves the community, all that stuff, like totally me. At first I was like fear, like I don't feel like I'm a fearful person. Like I love adventure. I love doing stuff. I mean, I'm the one, like I said, someone said run a 5K. I said, okay. So I didn't understand that at first. But actually, after doing some more research into the number and then also kind of some introspective like reflection, I was like, you know, I can see that. I feel like I s can spin the fear. Like I feel. Like a little bit of a seven, like that enthusiasm and joy. But then when I really think about where it's motivated from, I was like, ⁓ I can see that that fear. And unlike Kevin, I think my anxiety has come on a little bit more with age, which I thought they all, like everyone says it goes away. But ⁓ So it it is interesting. And I also see a little bit of like a five because I love the data. Like I did the research for this, like my run plans, all that good stuff. So I see a mix, but ⁓ when I really looked at it, I was like, Yeah, no, I see, I see how that the loyalist comes out for sure. Like the good things and then the bad things, I think I had tried to shut out, but I think they're there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. ⁓ Natalie, you're a seven, the enthusiast. Do you agree with that? So my very first time being exposed to the Enneagram was in high school, is part of my senior year religion class at my Catholic school. And I went in very convinced I'm a one for sure. Locked and loaded, here we are. And then I was a seven. And as I've gotten older, I have been able to understand a little bit of the links between them, which I know we're gonna get into. But at first, I very behemothly was like, no. And then now again, I think about it more and I'm like, well, I am an enthusiastic person. I am fun. I am some say I am somebody who takes advantage of you know how I. tackle big things. I'm like, ⁓ okay, sounds good. ⁓ and that's how I do tackle things. So, and take opportunities that I have. So it makes sense, even if I initially was like, no. Do you guys, the thing I understand about the seven is you kind of like like avoid hard feelings, right? Like if it's going to be an emotionally difficult thing or whatever, you kind of shove that no thank you. Is that true for you as a seven? Yeah. You know, when I first read that about the Instagram my type and I'm like, ⁓ I don't do that. You know, no, I don't do that. But I actually kind of do. Like I would really like to avoid like talking about like, you know, hard situations and and you know, it talks about like kind of spinning it ⁓ in a positive way. It went something that, you know, you're trying to like not think about. So ⁓ yeah, I I would say I probably do try to put a positive vibe on it. Based on the face that Natalie's making, I don't think that's true for her at all. I think that she ⁓ she's not identifying with anything you're saying right now. Guilty as charged. ⁓ in your own words, how would you guys describe your Enneagram type to someone who has never heard of it? And maybe how does it show up in your everyday running life? Kevin, you want to go first? Being a loyalist, I think it's one of those things I was talking about a little bit ago. Change is bad. You know, I'll I'll get into the habit of doing the same midweek runs over and over, even though I know I shouldn't, that I should maybe do some speed work or some hills or something like that. But instead I'll be like, okay, I've done this road like a thousand times and I'll keep on doing it. So ⁓ you know, on the The anxiousness of the unknowns and things like that, I think is something that that you want to as a six, I want to try to prepare for and figure out as much as I can. So Kylie, what about you? It's funny. I for the social aspect especially. I'm the one who's like, let's go do this. I'm inviting everybody, planning it all. I've made what's up chats. And we get there and then I'm stressing over, okay, but who's who's here, who's missing, who's what, who's this, who's that? And then the anxiety comes out and I'm like, why do I do this? But I do it because I love it, cause I love my friends, I love the tribe, the community. ⁓ so I would say that everyone's biggest hype girl while also internalizing it and freaking out at the same time. Can I ask you six is a question? Commute like a ⁓ community is a big deal, I think, because like the the area where you don't like change also applies to people, I think too, right? Where like once you have your people, you are loyal to your people, right? Do you agree with that? Yes. Yeah. R running with people it for me is kind of like the same thing as just hanging around people in general. I don't do well at the beginning of when I meet people. It takes me a while to get comfortable with people. But when I start to get comfortable with people, it's I'm much more relaxed and I'm much more solid and loyal to who I've got. If I was running with complete strangers, it'd be a little bit different. But if I know pr if I know who I'm running with and have a relationship with them, it's a lot easier. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And I feel like I I I'm am quick to make friends. I feel like I am quick to make connections. ⁓ they don't always stay like I want them. I want every single connection I make to stay and to stay strong and I want to feed it. That can be hard. ⁓ but that's always like my heart's desire. So I do feel like I make connections quickly and in a number of them. ⁓ but then the ones that that I can maintain, like for sure, those are the ones that that we're gonna keep. And I think that also that idea of community kind of goes along with the sixes need. I would say at least for me for the kind of that external validation. ⁓ and and that's what makes me feel safe. And that comes from the other people and my friends. And it's that's the thing when I feel safe. I'm gonna try to give that right back. Yeah. Awesome. Jessica, how would you describe the sevens and how does it show up in your running life? So sevens are the enthusiasts, the adventure seekers, ⁓ like to focus on the positive, like you said, kind of push out. the the negative the pain. Yeah. ⁓ but you know, that was the ⁓ the reason we started Run Disney because like it just looked like so much fun. And and honestly, like for me too, running is just it's an adventure. And I, you know, I don't like to do the same route all the time and I don't like to do the same routine all the time. ⁓ I've got to change it up. Kevin's always like, well, where are you running now? Because I like I can't run in our neighborhood anymore. It just drives me crazy because it's the same thing over and over. I've got to, I've got to mix it up. I got to change it up. So ⁓ running for anyway for me, running is is an adventure. And every, you know, I try to to mix it up and change it up as much as I can to make it fun. Yeah. Can I ⁓ cause a marital ⁓ counseling moment here for a second between Kevin and Jessica? ⁓ no. So on Holler Hype, I will in the beginning when I when I first ⁓ whatever, I would send a hype and I'd see Kevin's on and Jessica's on. And I would say, Hey Kevin, you know, I hope you're having a great run today. Tell Jessica I said hi. And then I would say, like, you know, something else to Jessica. And then I'd get a message later from Kevin goes, ⁓ no, I wasn't running with Jessica. And I'm like, what? You weren't running with Jessica. So the next time I'm like, hey Jessica, tell Kevin I said hi. She goes, ⁓ no, I wasn't running with with them. They run at the same time on like total opposite sides of town because they're they're they're just like different styles of runner. So I'm just calling y'all out right here on the podcast. You're saying this like it's some crazy thing. You and I don't run together, and we also run on separate sides of town. Hey, sometimes we will literally drive in the car to go do our long runs together and you know park. And then I'll go this way and he'll go that way. I'm like, bye. That's See you in you know two hours or whatever. That's too much. That's too much. ⁓ my gosh. Yeah, we don't run together. Yeah. It it sounds like fun, but ⁓ we just it just doesn't work. Yeah. So yeah. We try sometimes. Yeah, we did. Natalie, do you have ⁓ something else to add it to the sevens? How do you see it play out in your running? I have to keep things interesting, even if it's the same route, the same, you know. I trained for two marathons in three months over the last year. And I had lots of 20s to do in within that. So I had to do something to keep things interesting, something to I'm somebody who actually for a seven very much does enjoy structure. So, but I also have to be like ahead of the structure. I have to be ahead, like I have to, you know, if I can get that long run done on a Friday morning instead of a Saturday morning, it's like, ooh, beat the plan. I'm here. I'm ahead. I've made it spontaneous, even though it's again my scheduled run. Or I'm doing this run like a week early because I had to shift my schedule. I'm like, nope, nailed it. Spontaneous. Great. Love it. That's awesome. That's hilarious. That is. And I think Ben is exactly the same way, right? Ben has a five. You you love to spontaneous. That sounds just yeah, just like me. ⁓ yeah, no, so the fives, you know, the investigator, the observer, the analyst. ⁓ ⁓ actually some of the most famous fives are Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawking. So clearly we're all geniuses. Yes. and ⁓ but really we're driven by trying to be knowledgeable, capable, and independent. ⁓ usually we're quite private and pretty introverted. So I thought it was funny when AJ sent out the invitation for this and there were two sixes, two sevens, and one five. Harder to get the fives to come out of their shells, I guess. ⁓ look look, let me just go ahead and admit right now. That finding the five was the hardest thing I've ever done. Not finding one, but finding one willing. Right. ⁓ my gosh. And he's talking about my husband. So I made Nick was on the list. Yes. Uh-huh. But I went through so many fives, they were like, no, thanks. Well, it and that was my total reaction at first. I'm like, nope, nope, not me. But I decided to take a chance and why not? So I love it. Thanks for taking a team. Yeah, you bet. You bet. Us fives like to dive in and learn as much about things as we possibly can. So, like when it comes to our running lives, we'll read books and listen to podcasts about running, watch YouTube videos about things like heart rate zone and VO2 Max and run walk ratios and the best running gear and all that kind of nerdy stuff. And ⁓ we also like to train on like tried and true routes. There's a old railroad bed between the town I live in and the town to the north of us that has the mile markers marked on the trail. And so to know, you know, have those exact mile markers as I'm running, those kind of things appeal to us as fives. and yeah, before signing up for a race, we're gonna wanna have researched that race and know that we can do it. We're not gonna just hear about a race that a, you know, a group of friends is doing and just join them. We're gonna wanna feel confident that we actually are gonna feel capable doing it. Yeah. ⁓ you probably know like the elevation gain, you know what I mean, on a on a course, I'm guessing, and when that hill is gonna happen. Yeah. Yeah, but as soon as the run is done, we're taking out our iPhone and looking at all the metrics and all that kind of stuff for sure. That's meanwhile, I forget to stop my watch. You know what I mean? Like just completely like an hour later, I'm like, wow, I've been going a long time. so you some of you have already done this, but do you have any examples? Like, I'm I'd love a race day example if you have one or training, but like do you have a race day example where your your type was just on full display? Right, whether things were going well, not going well, like just full display. Yep, I'm a seven or I'm a six based on this example. ⁓ Jessica, do you have anything? I do, but mine's actually a training. But ⁓ so I've gotten to where the last few years for my birthday, I like to do a birthday run because that just sounds fun. And so this year I'm getting a little old to do one mile per year. So this year I'm like, I'll do a half mile per year. So anyway, I had a long run. I'll just I'll just sit there. I had a long run. But I'm like, of course, I had to make it like, you know, like my most favorite places to rank within the place that I live. So it's not super exciting. But my my fun thing that I planned, because I try to plan like if it's a really long run, when you get into those marathon runs and you're doing like 20 miles, 22 miles, you know, 26 miles, I want to plan at least one thing that's like fun about that run. And so this time I decided, you know what, it's my birthday. I'm gonna plan to run by a bakery. And buy myself a cinnamon roll for my birthday and then run back to the car with it. So so at like mile twenty, it was twenty one and a half miles. I mile twenty, I stopped at a bakery and got myself a cinnamon roll. And they're like, ⁓ here, why don't you take some ice water? So I got my cup without a lid of ice water, and I'm sitting there running like this with the cinnamon roll here and my ice water here, running to my car for like a mile and a half, holding these things. That's awesome. It was so I looked so ridiculous and so goofy, but I'm like, this is so much fun. Yes. So a few a little while later, after my run was over, I did have someone text me and say, Hey, I saw you running down the road. We're holding your cinnamon roll. I'm like, Yeah, I know I looked ridiculous. But yeah, I like to have fun, you know, and I like to, like I said, change it up and and plan something to make those long runs fun. I love it. That's awesome. I think I actually had one just this last weekend. ⁓ which was interesting because something that it talks about like six is plan for the worst. And again, like the whole negative side, I'm like, no, that's not me. That's not me. But then I realized I so I've only been running about just over two and a half years. ⁓ and so everything has kind of been a PR, right? Like I've kind of set goals, I've been able to hit them. I'm like, this running thing is amazing. Thank you. Like, you know, thank you. Yeah. ⁓ so this last Saturday and the goals have been getting a little bit more ambitious. And I did a 10K. And it's funny, I'm like. I'm kind of like a I always describe myself as like a type A minus. I like to do a lot of research in these things, but I'm not quite the type five. So to me, the website had a lot of info on this race. It said it was flat. I'm like, this is great. I don't know who decided to describe this thing as flat. It was not. ⁓ and I didn't quite make my A goal. But I had B and C goal, which I guess goes along with the whole planning for the worst. And all of a sudden I have another one coming up in two weeks, and I feel myself going, Okay, but like this didn't go right. This didn't, what if this happens? What about this? What about this? So it's funny for me in kind of researching all of this, I'm starting to feel now that I've kind of hit ⁓ almost like a little speed bum, I'm starting to feel that play out and planning for the worst. Now I like to put the positive spin on it. So then this is where we'll talk about later, but like lean kind of going four seven because I'm still happy. I still met a goal. I still am alive and healthy and happy. So I'm I don't like sit in my feelings, but I am planning a bit more for this one. And even my training runs, as much as I took them seriously before, taking them a little bit more seriously. And also I realized on the last question, as a true six, I'm sitting here being anxious about it. I realized I talked more about socially, but how a six affects my running life, if I can add that. ⁓ I put that if I plan make a plan with somebody to run, this is why I run with people, I'll be there. If I tell you I'm gonna be there at 5 30 in the morning, I'm gonna wake up, I'm gonna be there at 5 30 in the morning. So to me, that helps my training. All of this is showing the anxiety of a six right now. So it's all good. We love it. We love being able to see your numbers on display even while we're talking. Like, cause I I want people to identify with it, right? If they've never done the Ineagram, they'd be like, ⁓ man, I took that is so me. That is so me. ⁓ and to normalize stuff, right? And say, yeah, it's okay. It's okay to be anxious, whatever. How are you gonna handle that? You know, so so we love it. ⁓ okay. ⁓ yes, Natalie, do you you look like you had something to say? Do you have something to say? You how many times I've said the words accidental PR before? A lot. I don't go out with I go out with the idea it could happen. I kind of plan for the worst. Almost, you know, I feel like Kylie and I also being next to each other on the Brady Bunch screen right now is helpful in terms of wings. I plan for, you know, what if it doesn't happen, but I have to almost set that expectation that ⁓ it might just not happen, so I can set myself up for the idea that I'm gonna like spontaneously jump over it. So accidental PR, accidental, really good race, accidental, and I like to say I owe it to myself to try and just leave it out there for certain things. I love it. Sounds like a seven to me. Yes. ⁓ who ha ⁓ yeah, yeah. Ben, have you given it? So ⁓ I I'm a little intimidated because I'm on I'm a beginning runner. I only started about six months ago. So I'm on this here with a bunch of ⁓ veterans. But ⁓ the story I have is ⁓ so I started getting into being healthier and fitness maybe like six years ago or something, but not running because I hated running from when I was a kid. I wasn't fast and all that, right? ⁓ but what happened is I saw a post on social media from Rope Drop Radio about being on this podcast called One More Run, and I was like, huh. And so I checked out that episode that they were on, and I really liked it. And I'm like, wow, there's like this whole world of Run Disney to learn about. And ⁓ so then I binged like the whatever there were at the time, 15, 20 episodes. And but I did all that before I even considered running. And this was in November. I live in Minnesota, it's cold. So that was before I even stepped foot on a treadmill. But then here I am six months later, and I spent the last six months getting researching, running. Getting into no like watching videos about Run Disney, listening to podcasts, Stride Sisters, Rise and Run, all that kind of stuff. ⁓ so just that whole five idea of just like learning a whole bunch before I actually put it into action. Hold on just a second. Are you telling me that you heard our podcast on Rope Drop Radio and you had not heard of Run Disney and now you are a runner? I mean I had heard of Run Disney because we're a Disney family, but I didn't really know anything about it other than you got to run through the parks. But you literally listen to our podcasts and you literally are now considering doing a Run Disney and you run outside. Yeah. In Minnesota. So cool. All right. I'm retired. Let's just go ahead and log off right now. I'm done. Like I'm done. We our our our mission in life has has been accomplished. Yeah. Legit. But I mean, really, your podcast is built for fives. Like we're Thirsting for all that information. It's right there. We just gotta push play. ⁓ thanks. We're using that as a soundbite right there. That's perfect. That's perfect. Awesome. Well, we're so glad you're in the whole Run Disney ecosystem now. Like that's so awesome. All right, y'all. What motivates you to lace up and get out the door, especially on the days when you really don't want to? I'm a stay-at-home mom and ⁓ I'm with my kids all the time. And so for me. Like and and like I said, I love to run and I feel like it's an adventure. But also for me, it's also a time for me to, you know, have some me time. So I look forward to that. And so even though ⁓ sevens can have the reputation of maybe not following through with things. And so like if you're a runner, maybe not following through with your training plan because you get bored with it, ⁓ I am really, really consistent because I look forward to that me time. And like I said. Because for me, running is so much fun. So that's why I can get up and get out the door because I can go have some time by myself. Right. You didn't really need to explain that whole thing. You could have just said, I'm a stay-at-home mom. Period. And then then then then we could have just, okay, good. We understand. We got it. Yeah. So then what about you? ⁓ well, as a five, like I really try to not rely on motivation, but just have a system, a routine that I set up and just do it. ⁓ because we like to conserve resources and I don't want to try to find the energy to do something. I just want to do it. So I do my running and workouts every morning. It's just get up and do it. And I don't have to try to get motivated. ⁓ and I guess the other motivation too, though, is because we really like to train alone, just that time to myself, do it right away in the morning, nothing can get in the way. Yeah. And ⁓ we fives really get our batteries charged by that time alone. So it really like fills my fills my battery for the day by getting that in right away in the morning. ⁓ follow up question. You said something that's really key for the five. You said conserving energy. Can you describe what that means? We just want to be as efficient as possible with things. And ⁓ so for me the idea to find the motivation to do something and procrastinate or whatever is just wasting energy on something. I want to just not have to even think about that and just, you know, like I said, have that routine and just do it 'cause that's what I do. Interesting. So for for me, ⁓ a huge motivation honestly is that this is hard. I know that I'm not naturally was able to do this. And again, what got me to do my first half marathon, which was the 2025 Disneyland half marathon, was that I had a family member pass away the year before. And their daughter had reached out to me and said, you know, do you wanna do the Disneyland half marathon for dad, my uncle? And I laughed because I had just spent two weeks saying I never need to do more than a 5K. ⁓ but as a six, as that loyalist, it was like, yeah, we're gonna do this. And then I knew I had a year, did all my research, learned I had to still register, learned how hard that was, but got in. and so to me, it was that motivation of I have to train because I cannot naturally do this and I have to do this for Jimmy. Like that was my motivation. I felt loyal to him and then On a daily basis too, as as that loyalist, it's it's with my friends. If I have plans, I'm gonna be there. And then it's like a therapy session for me. And that's my battery recharge when I can spend a long run with a friend or with my husband. ⁓ and and just build those those bonds of friendship. Yeah. Love that. Good. My biggest thing is so as a teacher, I have to get up and drive to school. It's about a 35 minute drive for me. So I, if I'm running during the week, you know, when school's in, I'm usually getting up at about four fifteen. You know, I a lot of times I'll tell myself that sleep would be good right now, but I've I've almost every time I've ever gotten up early, I've never regretted getting up early. It always it's kind of like Ben that that feeling of accomplishment. It it's it's nice to be able to get up and and get something done and start your day the right way. You know, the common theme that I'm hearing here is that everybody does it like kind of either to recharge or to do it for them. You know what I mean? It's not necessarily like like for me as an achiever, like I want to accomplish something or whatever. But like no, I didn't really hear that a lot in in this. Like this was like a, you know, I'm getting ahead of the ri my day or I'm I'm doing it for me, or it's my time alone. ⁓ I thought I find that interesting. ⁓ what does we're getting we need to get little ⁓ dive into our emotions a little bit. You sevens are gonna love this. ⁓ what does race weekend look like for you emotionally? Right. Like I'm thinking of Run Disney race. When you do you get nervous? Do you get excited? Do you get confident? Like what happens when you're headed into a race, ⁓ a Run Disney race weekend? Natalie, you want to start? Sure. Usually I'm going in confident, but in a way where it's like up is down, left is right. And I'm like, do I need like 18 extra gels? Do I need enough gels for Dopey for a standalone full? Maybe. I don't know. ⁓ That's hilarious. So I'm not the nervous type usually, especially if it's Run Disney, because Run Disney is just fun. Now, if it's a different race, a non-run Disney race, then I start to get a little bit more nervous if it's set, especially like a marathon or something like big like that, because I tend to set like goals for myself if it's a non-Disney race. But if I'm there to run a Disney race, it is all for fun. I don't care about time. You know, I mean I want to start like as close to the front as possible, but 'Cause I want to see characters. Right. Right. But ⁓ I don't tend to get nervous for Run Disney races. I also am not the type to want to spoil. I like I want everything to be a surprise. And so you know how people will put out the list that says like which character's gonna be at which mile? I I I don't like to look. I don't want to know because I want it to be a surprise because that's part of me too. Me too. So when I see that, I'm like, nope, nope, don't look. I yeah. I I like the spontaneity. I like the the surprise factor. Yep. Me too. Me too. Kylie. Kylie, you agree or disagree with the knowing the characters in advance? Well, okay. So I didn't know that was a thing until recently because I also I'm gonna do my first Florida race in October. I'm doing Wine and Dine. So I do feel like Disney's a little bit or Disneyland, I should say, is a little bit different. Yeah. I think I'm gonna lean towards Jessica, though. I think ⁓ that's my fun side is that I just want to be surprised. I'm excited to be there. I just got my P.O.T. ⁓ Nick and I just got our P.O.T. this last weekend. Very excited. I didn't make didn't make my A goal, but P.O.T. was like ultimate. Like he actually had to tie his shoe and he never caught up to me. And he was like, all I could hear that last mile was you saying, you better get that P.O.T. And I was like, that's what I was saying when I didn't see you and you didn't catch up to me. Yep. Every man for himself at that point, you know? ⁓ I will leave his butt back in a different corral ⁓ if he didn't make it. No, I'm kidding. But I've left Erica at the airport when she didn't have pre check. I just left her at the general general line and I'm like We don't have pre-check. And so we ha finally had to get her pre-checked so that she could travel with me. ⁓ my god. I'll see you. I'll see you in in in the airplane. ⁓ but I do feel like ⁓ man, that's so me too. That's why I'm laughing. But I'm sorry. I der I derailed this. I'm sorry. I love it. But I I'm about all about the vibes, which I think has been me on race day and race week. ⁓ Kind of up until now. That's why this podcast and doing this has been a very interesting, ⁓ very interesting timing. Because and especially Disney, I think Disney will always kind of be all the vibes for me and just fun. And for me and wine and dine, that's gonna be how many character stops can I do. Yeah. I'm gonna be really curious to see those days leading up to that race, how I am feeling and how I'm feeling that morning. ⁓ cause you do feel nervous anxiousness, but always excitement. So I'm curious, honestly. To see how this one goes. I'm excited for you. Disneyland is special, but I'm also excited for you to do Disney World because it's ⁓ yeah, Erica, yeah, Erica thinks fully that it's so much better. I think Disneyland is very special, but Disney World just d like executes it better. You know, like more efficiently. I'm excited about all that. So I I'm excited for your experience it. And I've heard that from you guys on your podcast. So I'm excited to do it. I'm just sad you're not gonna be there. Sorry. I know what to Ben, you are you signed up for Run Disney at all or not yet? Not run Disney yet. ⁓ I'm actually signed up for my first distance race. ⁓ I'm gonna do the Twin City 10 mile in October. Awesome. ⁓ yeah, so I'm looking forward to that. ⁓ so ⁓ I've got a lot of anxiety about that because I've never done a race like that before. ⁓ but I ⁓ I feel like I'm gonna be pretty confident physically because I'm going to do the training, you know, unless something unforeseen, like an injury or something happens. I'm gonna know that physically I can do it. And ⁓ There's even this guy who I actually ⁓ graduated from high school with ⁓ his YouTube channel is called Run Soda. Okay. And he's got a ton of Run Disney run along videos. ⁓ and but he's also got one for the Twin City 10 mile. So I've already been running along with that on the treadmill just to get to know the course. And I'm already planning to go down and run parts of the course for my training runs and stuff like that. So it's like I just gotta gather all that knowledge and stuff to be as prepared as I can. But the stuff that makes me anxious is just like Honestly, like where am I gonna park when I get down there? Like stuff like that, you know, like maybe it doesn't phase other people, but it's like where am I gonna park? How am I gonna get to the corrals? Like all that kind of logistical stuff that you really can't prepare for. That's what's gonna actually maybe give me some anxiety. Yeah, totally. Okay, this next question is about wings. And I don't wanna spend a ton of time on this because I have other questions that I really want to get to. So short s short and sweet on this. ⁓ just so that everybody can understand how the wings work, right? So every type has a wing, and what I mean by that is like Erica's a two. Her like subtype, her like secondary, not as strong type can be the number before her or after. Same with me. So you're a two. Your wing can be either a one or a three. And sometimes you can, you know, you could you can wing both directions, but you have one that you lean towards, right? So Erica's a two wing three. I'm a three wing two. Right. And so my question for you is we'll go in numerical order here to keep this one fast and easy. But what's your what's your wing? Which way do you go? And it kind of the simple version. How does that impact your running if if at all or impact you at all? ⁓ let's go in order. ⁓ Ben, you mind going first as a five? I definitely lean as a five wing six. ⁓ is really that prepared part of it. ⁓ like Kevin talked about earlier. ⁓ I like to stick to tried and true routes. I wanna know exactly where I'm going, exactly how long it roughly it's gonna take me and all those kind of things. So the ⁓ unpredictable and that kind of stuff, not appealing at all to me. Yeah. Okay. ⁓ Kevin. I'm the exact out I'm with Ben, I'm a six wing five. That that knowledge and and study and and preparedness, I like to have that going into my runs. It helps me. It helps me with my anxiety to be a little bit less anxious. Perfect. Kylie? I think I'm I think I'm a six that can go five and seven. the five part, ⁓ I love my data. I'm the one that watches the YouTube videos, listens to all the podcasts. I love straw every bit of data I can get, I love that. That helps me feel prepared. But ultimately, I think my bigger wing is the seven because everything I I feel like I lead with the enthusiasm, the fun. I can let that other stuff go. I can let a bad run go. if I'm having fun and I can take a positive a positive take on things most of the time and that can get me through maybe not not the best times. So definitely I think more of a six wing seven. Awesome. Mary, who was on the podcast last week, talked a little bit about as we get older, our wing can actually change. Right. So like what might be, you know, you might have leaned one way for the you know, the first thirty years of your life or whatever. As we get older, you might actually flip the other way. So I'm Curious, Kylie, if you're like in a transition there, you know, like I'm I'm curious. ⁓ Natalie, which way do you go? I am absolutely a seven wing six. Someone who's a loyalist for sure, who can, you know, it's a what do I need to do? And what, you know, that kind of like step of the spontaneity and the enthusiasm. And then, you know, my people are my people and I am loyal to a fault. All right. Awesome. Jessica. So I am a seven wing eight. So challenger. I I've always been super competitive. So I was the band nerd in school and I wanted to beat everybody and I did. but in in my running too, I really like to challenge myself. And I I say I'm like really competitive in running. That doesn't mean I'm like really fast or that I'm like there to get like first place, because that's probably not gonna happen. But I competitive at least with myself and challenging myself and always like setting a goal, not necessarily for Disney, run Disney, like I said earlier, is fun. ⁓ but when it comes to other races, like I am definitely there to get a time and I'm like bound to determine that I'm going to beat that time. That's awesome. I have ⁓ another marriage question here. You guys wing away from each other, which is super interesting. I'd love set like Erica and Eileen, we we wing towards each other, right? We're we're flip-flops. You guys like totally go opposite each other. Like, how do you see that in your marriage? Like, well, how does that impact your marriage? Like, are you willing to talk about that? Well, I will say when we I was learning about the wing things, I didn't quite understand. And Kevin was trying to explain it and he was like, Yeah, you either wing to like an eight or a six. He thought he's like, You probably wing to a six because I'm a six. And I read about it. I'm like, no, I don't think I do. It's not that I don't like him, but Okay. So do you guys see like that, like with your communication styles? Do you ever butt heads, you know, in terms of like if you're a challenger, but he's going like super like, I need to recharge my batteries, conserve energy, you know, do some research. Do you guys ever find that that's difficult? Well, you know, like was said, ⁓ I I I'm much more of the research, the tar out of something, and she's just like, Okay, let's go. So our our communication styles are definitely different, but but we make it work. Yeah. Yep. That's good. That's awesome. Do you guys have a race that didn't go the way that you planned? And maybe how did your personality type play a role and how you handled it? I gotta gotta talk about the Chicago marathon. Yeah. And had a little bit of GI distress heard around the world. Actually not heard. But I trained all summer of twenty five. I had a time goal, and it was something that I put out there on my own show and I was public about. The fact that I'm going sub five. I'm going for a sub five. And I knew I could do it. And unfortunately, that's not how it ended that day. And, you know, even like I I have to crack a joke about a lot of things. There's been a lot of, a lot of jokes about cheeking it through the south side of Chicago. So but also the way when I reflect on the race, and I remember I had didn't even put all that much thought into it of how. You know, what I did the marathon for was for American Cancer Society in my hometown where my family is from, where my father raised his kids, my father who has passed from cancer. So I remember being able to reflect on it and saying, you know, having this not go my way was, you know, difficult. But what's hard is going through cancer with my mom ⁓ being the supportive, you know, wonderful person she is of being a caregiver. What having to, you know, also like you know, caregive for my father, and then also, you know, she three kids. I have two siblings. So that is hard. Feeling like you're gonna poop yourself during a marathon, that's difficult. It's not fun, but I can walk away from that experience knowing that A, I gave it everything I could, B, I still, I still finished strong, and C, you know, I I can reflect and see the positive side of that. And I know it makes me hungrier for more. And it was good for the plot. That was a good story. It was. Anybody else have a race that didn't go the way that you planned? I ran the Shreeport a marathon in Shreeport with Jessica back in the fall. And it f it was a very sparsely attended marathon. And the weather was kind of hot. And so I'm running and and we see each other at the at the crossing point. And she's on her way back and and and I get to about mile thirteen, about halfway through, and and I look around and I'm like, there's nobody around me whatsoever. And I mean there there might have been what what do you think, Jessica? Forty, fifty people running the marathon? ⁓ maybe a hundred, but it felt like like zero. It felt like five. Yeah, I mean, I was there was nobody. And all of a sudden, I hear a car behind me. And I look behind me and it's a police car. And I'm just like, wait, what? And so I'm I'm like, okay, I'm running from the cops and they're just slowing they're just slowing down, following me. Cause the cop wasn't going back. He literally was following me. And finally, finally after about a mile or so, I stopped and I went up to the police officer. I said, Am I the last person in the marathon? He's like, ⁓ yeah. Yeah. So I ran the next thirteen miles with the fear like this uncertainty because I'm like, I don't know. I mean, I'm going as fast as I can. But I don't know if he's got instructions to sweep me after such and such a time. And I'm thinking, wow, that would be an interesting thought, where he just says, get in the car. Yeah. ⁓ But they alternated. One guy would follow me for 30 or 40 minutes, another guy'd come by. But like I could hear them driving over the acorns right behind me in the acorns cracking. I'm like, that's not disconcerting at all. For 13 miles? For 13 miles. They followed me through the neighborhoods of Shreeport, Louisiana. Wow. So It was it was fun. It it didn't do anything like a plan because I didn't plan for a police officer to follow me for twelve mile. But I mean it makes for a good memory. But I love that you think But like a loyalist, he stuck to it and he wasn't giving up. Exactly right. I love that. Well, I don't have any races yet, so I don't have any examples ⁓ I in that respect. But ⁓ just speaking for all fives, and maybe Kylie, you can comment on this as well. Like we just need our space. We need When things aren't going well, we need time to ourselves to think about it, to ⁓ process it all in our head. And even the most well-intentioned ⁓ words of encouragement or whatever, we're just not ready to hear that until we've had time to process it ourselves. It's funny you say that. I have some fives in my life that like I'm an encourager, you know, like I want to just like I need you to be okay, you know? And they're not okay when I approach them. You know what I mean? Like, leave me alone. Yeah, no, that's interesting you say that. Yeah, maybe come back in an hour or two when we'll be ready to hear it, but not in the moment. Right. Yeah, totally. That's good insight. Mine is kind of a continuation of the one I've been talking about because I think that's been my my latest one and also the one that didn't go right. But ⁓ so this this last 10K didn't go as planned. And also I think it kind of hit my five wing a little because I didn't stick to my intervals. ⁓ unlike Disney, you know, people didn't start walking. I you know, right away. And I I felt a little self conscious and again into a six where to feel that security, you kind of need external validation at times or nobody's walking and no one's telling me, Go ahead, you can walk, you know. And it was probably a good mile till I saw someone else walk and I did it and and I had been so like the five in me knew my intervals, knew my times, knew all this stuff. I had to do it. And that threw me off. But that was that was hard because it it's just It was it was partially my fault. I I didn't follow my exact plan. But then also I think some outside forces just it wasn't my day. And I think this one I'm still able to pull out the enthusiastic side. But again, I'm also curious to see how it plays into some future races that I'll probably have some rough ones. Yep. It's gonna happen. You know, like a hundred percent. That's why this question is in here. Like it is absolutely gonna happen. And we, Erica and you, I mean, we talk about it all the time on the podcast, like mentally being ready for that. Yeah. You know, because it's gonna happen. You're gonna have to poop your pants. You're gonna get reined on. I mean, like something's gonna happen. It is the cops are gonna be chasing you. You know, like I don't know if that one's gonna happen, but like most of these things, like it's just gonna happen. You gotta be ready. Right, right. Okay, cool. ⁓ this one, this next one is kind of like when we talked about our wings. I don't wanna go super in depth with it or whatever, but I want people to understand that this happens, right? That ⁓ if you don't feel like your number, Erica, you and I have talked about this before, we're like, If you don't fail your number, it's because in stress, when you're overtaxed or whatever, you might go to another number. Not not even your wing. Like you might go to a on the opposite side of the circle of numbers, right? And then when you're super secure and feeling safe and you're feeling totally supported and nothing's going wrong, ⁓ you know, which never happens, right? But but then you might go to a different number. So I wanna just like briefly tell y'all what that. what those are and just get your feedback like and you know, we don't have to hammer this one home for too much, but I want people to identify if they are a five and in stress, the five goes to seven. What is that? You know, I want to like ⁓ normalize it, right? So that one is the first one, right? So in stress, the five goes to seven, which is the analyst goes to the enthusiast. Do you see that in in stress at all for you, Ben? Yeah, I would say like we kind of go from being prepared and logical to maybe a little like distracted and I don't want to say irrational, but like away from what our more rational approach to it. Sure. And we might ⁓ I don't know, throw our plan out the window even though we've worked so hard to craft it and we're just go to that enthusiast of, you know, being more ⁓ fly by the seat of our pants kind of thing. Yeah. And and they shove their emotions, right? Is that part of part of that too when you're overstressed? ⁓ yeah, because we ⁓ we want to feel capable and competent. And so when we aren't feeling that, then we're totally feeling yeah, we're gonna try to hide that as best we can so that no one else can see that we're feeling that way. Mm. Interesting. The six goes to three. So ⁓ Kylie and Kevin, y'all come my direction, which I'm the achiever, ⁓ also known as the performer, right? We just want to get stuff done and look good doing it. That's how I that's how I phrase it. Right. So is that true for you guys when you're when you're stressed out? ⁓ Kylie, can I start with you? Yeah, absolutely. I think so. ⁓ It and it's interesting that I love that it says the need to ⁓ be or appear to be successful. And I do I go to that. How does this look to other people? What do they think? And you know, like it's saying avoiding failure. I do think when I'm stressed, I go there and ⁓ I hate to say it, but sometimes it is at the cost of maybe how I treat my husband or maybe someone who's, you know, the closest person to me. And it's it's yeah, I I I definitely go go right to that. Thanks for Thanks for sharing that. Kevin? I'll do fifty percent of what you said. ⁓ I wanna finish, but I honestly don't really care much ⁓ how I look look doing, and I just wanna finish because I know, you know, as I've gotten older, I don't care as much as what people say about me. See, I wanna be a six like Kevin. Awesome. ⁓ I wanna start with Natalie on on the seven because she already kind of said this, right? That That she's got the she thought she was a one. Maybe because the one goes or the seven goes to one in stress, right? So yes, I see, I see that look on your face. Do you I I'm guessing you agree with this, right? Does the seven go to one? And what does that look like for you? I don't want to say I'm just a little stress ball, but I can be in bull in a lot of different facets of my life, professionally, academically, and within running where You know, that spun spontaneity. And it's like, well, what if that just ruined everything? I think that one of the biggest things I feel like I can say, and I've talked myself out of as I've become a slightly more mature runner, which is weird to say, is I'm never gonna remember that eight miler that went poorly at my marathon. Right. Unless I fell and God forbid hurt myself knock on wood a million times. I'm not gonna remember that. But in that moment of stress, because it's the, ⁓ this just felt bad and I have to do 10 next week or nine or whatever it was or that speed workout was trash and I have to do it again in two weeks. Like I yak and yetied. ⁓ a lot of body functions, man. ⁓ but I did that and then you never remember it later, but it's that moment of stress of why did that just feel like that? Again, you never remember it at at your marathon, but ⁓ yeah. Okay. So we should have clarified. We did a little description of the one. I mean, we'll talk with the ones next week. Yeah. But the one's the perfectionist. Right. Right. Like they need everything to be just and right and exactly the way it's supposed to be. A little bit different than the five. The five does all the research about it, but they don't necessarily have the obsessive need for it to be exactly right. They just need to know. And the one, it needs to be this way because that is correct and just and fair. ⁓ Jessica, do you agree with that? Or like, like, would you be a one in stress? So, you know, I was thinking about that the other day and I'm like, I don't know that I see that. And then I had a training run that was a speed workout. Now, keep this in mind as a seven. Am I I'm just making up my own training plan at this point. So But anyway, but in my mind I had I'm doing this speed workout, you know, and I had these intervals that I was doing and it was terrible from the very get-go. ⁓ anyway, I'll go into that later. But it didn't go as planned. And I had to quit part of the way through, which I it was terrible. Later that day I was watching a runner as I was driving and I'm like, ⁓ Tomorrow I've got to go out and I've got to redo that whole run and start over again because I've got to get this right and this has to be perfect. And then I thought, ding ding. ⁓ yeah, I guess I do go to perfectionist whenever I get stressed out. I just have never really thought about it before. But not not so much, I don't know. I feel like more so when it comes to running. Yes. So yeah, like I always feel like I gotta I've gotta have a do over. I've gotta I've gotta completely start over with that because I've gotta get it right. Sure. Yeah. Well, while we're while we're digging deep on your emotions, can we talk when you're safe and secure, right? Everything's going fine, nothing's rattling you, whatever. The seven goes to five. So you go Ben's direction. They ⁓ you know, they they typically go to the investigator when everything's all good and smooth. Apparently you like to know the things and have the details and do your research and maybe even get a little ⁓ what do you call it? Quier. You know what I mean? Like by yourself. Did you agree with that? Okay. So I in every area every other area of my life, I am not the researcher and the analyzer and all that. However, I I've totally geeked out in this running thing. ⁓ and I do actually really love to listen to the running podcast and do research on nutrition and making sure I'm fueling right and all those fun things because I actually find it fun. so yeah, I would say that kind of that kind of describes me, at least when it comes to running. Perfect. ⁓ Natalie. Absolutely. In ⁓ again, both in my kind of professional and like other parts of my life. I mean, I will say I am married to a five. So when I am secure, you know, someone who makes Mr. Natalie definitely makes me feel that way. But I definitely I lock in on my data. And also I'm one of my many talents is that I am somebody who is great at assessing, not just when things went wrong, because I don't want to say that in a negative, but how are we going to do better? Next time. How are we going to up the ante? How are we going to and sometimes up the ante also means taking a step back, but how are we going to lock in more? Sure. How are we going to change this? And you know, it's not change for the sake of change, but it's change for the sake of betterment. And that's something that in a secure place, especially with running, I can do. And absolutely lock in on it. And then also I feel like that almost plays back into the spontaneity and the enthusiasm of run of a s being a seven because it keeps it different. Right. I can't rut. I can't settle into that routine because I've analyzed, I've researched. I the spreadsheet. The spreadsheet. Lock in. I cannot identify like as a three, I cannot identify with the love of a spreadsheet at any time. Like there is no love for Excel. You know what I mean? I don't even have that installed on my computer. Someone sends me a spreadsheet and I'm like, Erica, can you open this on your computer? Like, I don't even, I don't even know. No, that's That's hilarious. ⁓ so let's move on to the sixes. Thank you, sevens, for sharing. Six goes to the peacemaker. The piece, ⁓ they like ⁓ the best way to describe the nine, Erica. Like you we have a lot of nines in our life. How would you describe the nine? They wanna avoid all conflict. ⁓ yes. Yeah. That that for sure. They don't want any conflict. Yeah. So when you're feeling safe and secure, that that's the way they go. Kylie and Kevin both gave a thumbs up. ⁓ Kylie, why why why'd you do that? I like to describe myself as like very chill and easygo. And I realize, yeah, when all is good, I am pretty chill and easy going, but not when it doesn't go good. But ⁓ And I realize in running, like we've been talking about, everything has been good. Like I've been hitting goals, like things have been fun. So I've been like, this is great. ⁓ like that run was fine. Someone else didn't hit their goal. I'm like, you did a good run anyway. Like it's all fine. ⁓ and so it's it's even the next race, I'm pretty chill. Even my my training, I'm like, ⁓ yeah, I got this. ⁓ so I can definitely see that. And even and even in life, I agree, Natalie, like I've got a great number five who keeps me. Very secure. And so a lot of times it's it's very chill over here. That's awesome. Kevin, you also gave a thumbs up to this. You agree, huh? Yes. I just I like things to stay the same. I said it earlier. It's like change is bad for me. Once once once I get things going the way I like ⁓ I don't like things to change, whether it's, you know, running style, you know, running courses or whatever. So yeah. Perfect. And Ben, the lone five here on the podcast, you go to the challenger. Right. The challenger ⁓ sometimes gets a bad rap. We're gonna talk with a challenger next week on the podcast. And ⁓ sometimes that just gets a a bad reputation for like they're just a you know in your face and whatever. But there's also a lot of good that comes with being a challenger, right? Like they literally get stuff done because they push the envelope. Is that do you lean that way in in security? Yeah, I think so. Cause you know, normally in my run, it's like, okay, I'm gonna run four miles. I wanna keep X pace, I want my heart rate zone to be in. this range. And so I'm checking my watch constantly as I'm running. ⁓ but when I'm feeling really good, I can stop checking that and I can just run more by feel and I'll get to four miles and be like, I can go another mile. Sure. And, you know, when it's going really well, I can yeah, definitely lean into some of those challenger ⁓ type trades. Perfect. We've got a ⁓ a couple more questions and we'll ⁓ wrap this conversation up. Go for it. You guys, in what ways has understanding your Enneagram type actually made you a better runner or helped you grow? Maybe understand others, communicate better, lower your anxiety, help maybe not overreact so much. What do y'all think? As a sixth, that loyalty part, that commitment is keeping me, keeping me running. ⁓ but then using a little bit of that five to get that data to motivate me to to learn to how can I get better? How can I improve my ⁓ my knowledge of running to keep me from getting injured or just to get better, hit a goal, certain goal that I want. But then also that seven of just this is fun. This is good for me. This is healthy. I can just go run over here when I want and just enjoy it. And so I think all of that combined helps me become a more efficient runner, hopefully better one, but also just have fun with it. And that makes it something that I hope I can continue for. Decades down the road because it really is I love the mental, the mental aspect and the clarity it brings and I want to keep it going. I love that. ⁓ I think for me, like probably many people, I've tried running a few different times in the past and it didn't stick because it was hard or whatever, and I gave up, right? But ⁓ just knowing this time around, ⁓ knowing that just learning a lot is going to help me like. I didn't know anything about run walk intervals before and learning about that, it's like, ⁓ yeah, you can run for two minutes and walk for 30 seconds and you know, and now it's stuck with me for six months and I foresee it sticking for years, right? Love that. I'd say that I mean the growth was the running in the first place. It was a kind of okay, cool, that sounds fun that got me into this and then has now expanded my world completely to people I may have never met, to you all, to everybody where It's helped me grow tremendously and I'm, you know, understanding that I was spontaneity or spontaneously available for fun, like enthusiastic of like, ⁓ okay, sounds good. And that's grown my world in immensely, enormously. Awesome. Thank you all for sharing. All right. Before we ask a Run Disney, we have two Run Disney questions, but before we do that, ⁓ short advice that you would give to another runner that is your same Enneagram type, like a like a suggestion, whether it's positive or like a watch out for even. You know, like what's something you would say to a fellow six or a fellow five or seven, whatever. What would you say? ⁓ we got ⁓ let's go in order. Let's just five, six, seven. Can we do that? ⁓ for fives, you know, lean into all those things that really help you feel prepared and secure because that's gonna be your foundation for going forward. ⁓ and if you're feeling good about those things, you're more likely to stick with running and and move forward with it. I'd say watch out for ⁓ valuing our ⁓ solitude and independence too much. Like there is definitely a benefit to doing running socially and the social aspect of it and just doing it in isolation all the time is probably not going to be the best for you in the long run. Perfect. That's very good advice. Thank you. And it's funny, going hand in hand with that. My as a six, my advice would be find a community. Right. Find those people who you're gonna be loyal to, who you're you're gonna want to wake up at 5 a.m. and go for a run for and with. You know, you're gonna do it for them, you're gonna do it for yourself, but also listen to your body because I've done that where I'm like, I said I was gonna do this run and I'm dog tired. I went to bed too late. I, you know, something happened the day before, but I said I was gonna be there. And I've gotten better at that. I think some of my running friends can attest to this that it's hey, I didn't get to sleep. tonight. I have to do what's good for me. And kind of being loyal to yourself as well and your health. ⁓ so just like Kev or excuse me, Ben, you know, find that community, those friends who make you want to go, but also not at your own expense. Listen to your body and do what you need. I love that. Thank you very much. Kevin? As a six, don't get stuck in a rut. It's very easy. You know, we we ⁓ we we're well we're will whether it be to a person or a training plan or whatever Don't be afraid it, you know, don't be afraid to do something different, like go a different route, you know, do do some speed work, do some intervals, do things like that. But, you know, don't be afraid to to to to step out of your comfort zone, maybe a smidge and and do something that's not the same thing all the time. That's perfect. ⁓ okay, the sevens. ⁓ what advice do you have for people or watch out for? So as a seven, one thing I would say to lean into is just that aspect of ⁓ having fun. I mean, running, we chose to run, right? Like we're runners because we chose to be runners. And it's kind of like Krista Galloway says, like we get to do this. So embrace the fun. ⁓ embrace the adventure because running is an adventure. ⁓ and then things, what was the second thing? Things to watch out for. Watch out for. ⁓ is because we like to chase adventure and chase fun. Don't overdo it. Don't commit yourself to too many races. In a row where you're gonna injure yourself. ⁓ don't be like me and just say, Hey, you know, I'm gonna do like 20 miles this weekend, even though maybe I haven't done 20 miles in like six months, you know, because it sounds fun. But anyway, just just not to overdo it because we do tend to, you know, we want to say yes to everything because it's fun. Yeah. So just be careful. Perfect. Something to do would be you will have so much more fun. During your race, if you stick to your training and you get the job done, put the sufferer and the suck fest now so that your race feels fun and you're not in pain to the extent you can be. Yes, things happen. Right. ⁓ yeah. And then I'd also say in the kind of things to l watch out for and avoid is that this whole like hype and dopamine and you know, whatever, running in progress is not linear. In many aspects of your life. So just because you might hit a little bit of a stall where that one speed workout like doesn't feel so good, you don't hit that. That doesn't necessarily mean that you're, you know, not going to do anything ever. No, you just it's not going to be linear. And just because you know, sometimes and sometimes it's the prouder races that you have are the ones where you might not actually hit that goal. And it's grit and determination that get you there, more so than like the feeling of PR, PR, PR, PR. Mm-hmm. Yep. I love that. All right, y'all. Let's talk Ren Disney. Is there anything about your personality type that applies to why you choose to do Ren Disney? I feel like the seventh need to go first. Jessica kind of made it clear. Yeah. It's a no brainer. Right. I mean, we're sevens, we chase fun. Disney is fun. Everything about Disney is fun. So that's, you know, the reason we started running Disney. We wanted to run in the parks because that sounds like fun. And ⁓ yeah. I mean, and it it's just like it's so funny because like when we first started, I don't know if I'm kinda going off question here, but when we first started doing Run Disney, like we're ⁓ we're signing up for one race. We're gonna do this one time, you know, and everybody knows how that goes. No, you say you say that, you do it one time and then you're like, son, be up for the next one. Can I just do every weekend? You know, because it is just, it's, it's such an adventure. How fast we go from, yeah, I'm gonna do this race to what's a perfect season. I need to do a perfect season. Right. Yes. I mean, just crazy how that happens. Ben, you're in trouble once you do your first one, buddy. ⁓ I'm sure. ⁓ Natalie, ⁓ you want to continue us with the sevens and and run Disney? What's not to be seven about it? It's Fun, it's an enthusiastic, it's a welcoming community. It's people who believe in you that you're going to be able to do it and do your best. And that you don't have to be a one size fits all runner to to partake partake and to enjoy. What's not to love for a seven? Yes. Yes. I love it. Good. Does you get to run through Disney parks? Does that count on the any agreement scale? It does. Yes. It does. Yeah. Yeah. And if it doesn't, can we get that put in there? Yeah, sure. No. I mean for for for sixes that idea of being safe and secure. I mean, a lot of times that's half the reason we go to Disney is not necessarily I mean, we can go ride brides. There there's a lot of rides out there. And don't get me wrong, Guardians of the Galaxy, fantastic ride. Uh-huh. But ⁓ you know, half the reason we go to Disney is how it makes us feel. Yes. You know, that that we step on Main Street and that that feeling of of coming home is of contentment, of happiness is there with us. And so it the idea of just being able to do that over and over and over and and you know perfect season that'd be great. But you know, even just once a year, that's fantastic. So it makes a whole year go. Yeah. It doesn't matter what park it is. That park music, when I step through the main gate, I mean, like, it's unbelievable what that what that park music does to me. That's craziness. Kylie, why do you why do you do Run Disney? For me, seeing everybody there. like meeting all of you guys, meeting people like all of you guys. All of a sudden I'm like, I have to go because next time I might get to well, I'm not gonna meet see AJ and Erica next time 'cause there won't be at Wine and Dine. But then I gotta go again another time so I can see them. And I gotta go so I can see Natalie and Jessica and Ben and Kevin. ⁓ so getting there was definitely the Disney vibes, the Disney feels that you get. ⁓ and and that also means family and and To me, Disney means family. Those are the memories I grew up having. Those are the memories I continue making. ⁓ and even if if you're not my blood family, like Disney means family. ⁓ so who who doesn't want to do Run Disney and then just getting to grow that that family? Yeah. I love that. Ben, you don't you haven't had the opportunity yet, but it's on your radar, clearly, right? Why do you think your personality type is drawn to Run Disney? ⁓ I think I mean there's this huge ecosystem where we can learn so much. There's multiple podcasts about Run Disney. There's tons of YouTube channels about Run Disney. We can really learn a ton and feel, you know, pretty quite prepared. I mean, there's even videos and podcasts about going to an expo, you know, things like that that you know, some people might find kinda whatever, but it to me it's super interesting because I know how to handle it when I get there, right? And then the other thing I think is as fives, I think we can be, you know, we're pretty introverted and pretty ⁓ private. And also I think sometimes we kind of forget to have fun doing things. And from what I can tell, there is no way that you won't have fun at a run Disney race. ⁓ that is absolutely going to push you for sure to turn running into I mean, I think it's fun when I go out for a run, but it's gonna be extremely fun to do a Run Disney race someday. Totally. I hope I'm there when he goes down Main Street. I know, yeah. You know, like I hope I get to I wanna see that. I wanna see that. You know, you said the videos about expos or whatever. The video I hate the most that I've created on our YouTube channel is our most popular one by a million years is how to register for a Run Disney race. And it's literally factual, step by step by step. And it's probably all you fives and sixes out there that watched it. You know what I mean? And I'm like, this video is so boring. You know? But yeah, 95% of those streams are from fives. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. ⁓ man. Okay. Well, we have a big question. ⁓ we ask everyone that comes on our podcast this question. And Ben, you don't have the experience with it yet, but I I mean, I'm still gonna ask you what you think your your way's gonna go. So everybody knows this. Eric and I are on different sides of this. ⁓ the question is are you team Main Street or are you team metal? Right? Which one would you rather have on a Disney half marathon? You do this hard thing, you can only have one. Right. Would you rather run down Main Street or get a finisher medal? Let's go five, six, sevens in order. ⁓ Ben, which way would you which way what do you think, then as a five? Because us fives are all about collecting evidence of things, the ultimate evidence is gonna be that finisher medal, right? So I'm definitely team finisher medal. I love it. Perfect. One to zero, Erica. One to zero. ⁓ Kevin, you wanna go next? I'm go I'm going main street. Yeah. You know I I I've got lots of medals and and I just the ⁓ the memory and the feeling of going down Main Street, no matter how many times you've done it, that's that that nothing beats that. Okay. We can still be somewhat friends. Ky Kylie w how do you lean? I I will answer, but granted, the only main street I've been down is Disneyland Main Street. Right. And there's no spectators. So at first when I first exactly. And so when I first heard this question on your podcast, I was like, ⁓ Duh, like finisher metal. But I'm starting to realize, but I also do love experiences and I'm starting to realize everything that I've heard from all of you guys. I'm like, ooh, I think it would be Main Street, but also wine and dine, I don't think we go down Main Street. So sorry, no. ⁓ long, yeah. So long story short, I haven't done the full Main Street experience, but being further into my running dis run Disney career now, I think I would probably do Main Street. Okay. Sorry, AJ. Love you, Erica. I can't even remember the score right now. I don't even think we're keeping score. ⁓ we are keeping score. I think we are. That's right. ⁓ Jessica. Jessica, you willing to go? I am totally team Main Street. Another point for Erica. There is just there is nothing like that feeling of even just entering the Magic Kingdom under like, you know, the train station. And the minute you see that castle, like it gives literally gives me chill bumps. And I always tear up and I always cry. And there's Nothing like that feeling. I love a good medal and Disney has great medals, but there's nothing like running down Main Street. Okay. Perfect. All right, Natalie, you get to round us out. ⁓ how are you just like lopsiding this whole thing or are you coming my way? So here's the thing. ⁓ she's metal. Originally I wanted to say full send on Main Street because I do a full send on Main Street. But then I think about it and I think about the seven in me that is an enthusiast. And when I'm wearing a medal, it is so much less about me like getting a pat on the back. For what I did. And it is so much more about me sharing what that is with other people and what people who don't know anything about Run Disney. I have a very approachable face, it seems. So people will ask, what is that? And I will tell them all about everything there is to know in a quick quick cue about Run Disney and how amazing it is and how it's changed my life. So I think I'm gonna actually have to say the medal. All right. 'Cause I bring people in an enthusiastic experience. I love that. I love that. That's good. Perfect. Awesome. That was a three to two finish, but at least we were at least we we were represented fairly well. It's normally very lopsided in your favor. It but it's not anymore. I feel like a lot of people are choosing metal. Well, that's because they're ⁓ being educated, you know. They're they're realizing they're realizing the value of the metal. I love my medals too. It's all I understand. It's all good. This was super, super fun, you guys. Thank you for ⁓ giving us so much time to help us understand. And we just super appreciate each and every one of y'all. Thank y'all. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you guys. Thanks having us. Thank you again to Ben, Kylie, Kevin, Jessica, and Natalie for being vulnerable and for being a part of this discussion with us. It means a lot. We mentioned it briefly in the conversation, but I actually wanted to throw in a plug for Natalie. She has the Stride Sisters podcast. And I kind of like breezed by that. And I didn't, I I wanted to just take a second to say, yeah, if you will need more Run Disney in your life, it's another Run Disney podcast. And like our friends at Rise and Run. Like we believe ⁓ rising tide lifts all boats, right? So if you just need some more Run Disney things to listen to, definitely check out her podcast. ⁓ I just love that we're all all of our podcasts and everything. We're near no, we're not in competition. No, and we all do something different. Yes. Right? Yeah. Different styles, different vibes, wherever you can get something from Natalie's podcast that you can't get here. Same with Rise and Run, same with Will Run for. Like all the podcasts do something very different. So if you need more Run Disney, check her out. Okay. At the beginning of the episode, I said that Grant was joining us. And so Grant is here. We're gonna ⁓ jump in with him. ⁓ I basically just reached out and said, Hey, give me the details on Pokerunning Weekend or whatever it's called. Yes. And he said, Yeah, happy to. And so we're gonna join Grant now. Perfect. Hey there, friends. We've got an old friend that you're gonna be familiar with on the podcast here for just a quick segment because he announced something on Instagram, Erica. And I was like, Grant, come on the podcast and talk about it. And so he did. We're super excited. Grant from the Pelkie Running Club. Welcome back to one more run the podcast. Thanks. Glad to be back. Thanks for having me. ⁓ yeah, you should feel lucky that you're back because you were Team Main Street and I w I kind of wrote you off, you know, and and it's on the right team. Thank you very much. So and you're actually your whole crew voted voted against me. And so you're lucky to be here. You should consider I didn't know if I'd make it back after the birthday comment, but ⁓ I figured Erica liked it enough that I was in all in at least half of the good graces. Yep. Instagram's a dangerous place these days, you know, like the relationships can ⁓ can be ⁓ Destroyed quickly through a comment. ⁓ my gosh. Yeah. Grant, we love you, my friend. And thanks for being here. We wanted to ask you real quick ⁓ about the Pelkie Running Club weekend. I'm not sure if that's the right term. can we just go through like the who, what, when, where, why, how, like what's going on for our friends that maybe heard it before when we talked about it. And now it's like action time because registration opened, right? So now it's time to like, yeah, if you want to do it, take action. Can you give us some of the details? Yeah, for sure. And appreciate y'all giving us the opportunity. So if y'all recall, ⁓ on the episode with John, we talked about Pelkie Running Club Weekend ⁓ kicking off last year here in Memphis at the St. Jude Memphis Marathon weekend. ⁓ the goal or the vision behind Pelkie Running Club Weekend is to have a race weekend somewhere in the country, maybe the world, ⁓ that is not focused on a Disney property, ⁓ for us to be able to build community, maybe have a little bit more sleep ⁓ and have some fun while also getting some miles in as well. And so Last year ⁓ we asked John if he would run his first half marathon and fundraise for the kids and families of St. Jude. He graciously, maybe begrudgingly, said yes. ⁓ and came to Memphis and completed his first half, which was awesome. ⁓ John wants to run again this year and is PR chasing at this point. So we've decided to bring the ⁓ Pelky Running Club weekend back to Memphis for 2026. Past that, who knows where it goes? But ⁓ December 5th is race day, Pelkie Running Club Week, and we'll run the fourth through the sixth. So we'll have some events, some meals, get togethers, both before and after, do some tourist things. ⁓ for example, last year we went to Graceland ⁓ and took a tour of St. Jude, ⁓ which is really cool and special. ⁓ this year we'll kind of break out, do some other things. We have a big pyramid, which used to be an MBA arena, is now a massive Bass Pro shop. ⁓ National Civil Rights Museum is here. So where Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated has been turned into the National Civil Rights Museum. We'll take a tour of that and kind of you know learn a little bit about the history and how our country has ⁓ you know evolved ⁓ through different ⁓ you know changes and and and through our country's ⁓ I guess 250th year at the same time too, which is pretty cool. So wide variety of opportunities, just ⁓ you know, get to know folks that a lot of times we either see just for a minute or two in a corral or on a race weekend at Disney. Maybe even on an Instagram DM or a WhatsApp chat. ⁓ so it's just an opportunity really to connect and spend some time together and ⁓ have a lot of fun. So that's awesome. What do we need to know about registration? Right, because ⁓ you make a great case for it and I'm like itching. Like Erica says work in our social. I'm like but like can you give me time? Right. Can you tell us the details of how to register? Like i if there are any. For sure. Yeah. So registration, you can jump on our ⁓ Instagram page. I've got the link in our bio for folks to be able to register easily, or you can just Google ⁓ Memphis marathon weekend, Saint Jude. It'll come up. ⁓ I will say if you are planning on registering, there's a five K, a 10K, a half, or a full. So you're welcome to do any of those distances. Majority of the crew is gonna be doing the half marathon with John. ⁓ we've got 40 folks coming in so far right now. Our team is hoping to fundraise $20,000. ⁓ we're committed to at least 12. You do not have to fundraise to run this. I will tell you that now. The half, I believe, is $95 for a race registration. Okay. ⁓ but a great weekend overall. ⁓ I would say register sooner rather than later. ⁓ this is St. Jude's single biggest day of fundraising, which is obviously exciting and helps advance their mission and help, you know, find cures and save lives. ⁓ but at the same time, they do have to limit it just to you know crowd control and and safety for everyone taking part in the race. And so ⁓ I believe last year around October is when the race sold out officially. ⁓ so you probably have some time, not necessarily like hours or minutes, like some of our Run Disney races go ⁓ as quickly. But if you are interested in and wanting to commit, I would say go ahead and register sooner rather than later, especially if you're planning on fundraising, because it just gives you longer to you know reach out to friends and family. And secure those dollars to help the hospital at the end of the day. Excellent. Any any ⁓ details in terms of like if I want to run with the Pokey running club specifically, right? Do I need to do anything to do that? Or or is it just sign up and meet you there? Yeah. If you'll join our team during registration, like it will add you to our roster. ⁓ you are not committing to fund fundraising unless you sign up for Saint Jude Heroes. And Saint Jude is very good about making sure you understand what your commitment. is or what you're choosing to opt into or not opt into as a result, but you can still join our team regardless of if you're fundraising or not. Doing that gives us the visibility then to be able to ⁓ contact you and get more information from you. We do exclusive swag and gear for the Pelkie Running Club for this weekend ⁓ that we only give out here. We, you know, obviously we'll schedule a bunch of meals and other ⁓ you know, tourist events like I kind of mentioned previously. And so That registration ⁓ process and joining our team is the ⁓ beginning of basically that that interest level of joining us for all the events. And folks are welcome to do whatever they want. Like you can come in for just a single meal and go do your your own thing the rest of the time here in Memphis. You can hang out with us 24 seven, whatever y'all are comfortable with. Like we have people duck in and out, we have people stay the whole time. So ⁓ completely up to each individual, but join the team and then we have our WhatsApp chat, which we talked about last time. I know AJ, you're a big fan of it. I am. I genuinely am. I am so old that it's so overwhelming. Like the team is incredible. Like, but I can't type that fast. Yeah. But we have a Pelkie Running Club weekend specific ⁓ group within the broader Pelkie Running Club chat. So if you have questions about hotel bookings, we've got some folks that have secured blocks at certain hotels. ⁓ you know, figuring out how to get to and from places, carpooling, airport, all all the, you know, fun details of and logistics of trying to figure out how to get to and from a race weekend ⁓ are all kind of covered in that. And then we'll be more proactive as we start getting closer to race weekend. ⁓ probably about two months out is when we'll start communication ⁓ with our plans and ⁓ allow people to start kind of expressing interest in what they want to attend so that we can get headcount and ⁓ you know, reservations all settled and figured out. That's all my questions. Do you have any questions? No, it sounds like tons of fun and it really does. So like s we need to do it. Yeah. Yeah. We all come on. We need to figure out logistics. Yeah, yeah, yeah. ⁓ I'm sure that that's probably what everybody's been kind of figuring out. You know, whatever. But now's go time, right? Like this is when you have to make that call because I'm sure like Grant's talking about, like you pr you know, you might have a week or two or whatever, like before this thing starts selling out. So okay. Cool. Grant, any other information or did did we cover everything? I think we covered it all. I appreciate you stopping by the podcast and ⁓ let me know if I can sway your mind on becoming a team finisher. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I don't think that's gonna change anytime soon. I'm sorry. Awesome. Grant, thanks for stopping by the podcast. We appreciate you, my friend. Thanks, y'all appreciate it. Okay, friends, that's it for today's episode. Support crew members, you are going to love this week's after show. 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