AJ and Erika: For the last few weeks, we've been chatting with runners about how their personality types have such a big impact on how and why they train for and run races. We're wrapping up the series talking about types eight, nine, and one. The challenger, peacemaker, and perfectionist. Hey there, friends. Welcome to episode number fifty one. My name's AJ. I'm Erica. And we host this podcast for you to feel confident, prepared, inspired, all the things, whether it's a Run Disney race, a local 5K, whether you've not even run yet and you're like doing your research of whether or not you want to. We just hope that this is inspiring and helpful. Today we're wrapping up a series we've been in where we're talking about how our personality types impact our running. And so if you have not heard the other two, Go listen to those. That's ⁓ we are wrapping up the series today. We wanted to say thank you for all the feedback on this series. It's been overwhelmingly like I I just am grateful. Yeah. Right. That people say, Hey, I I was skeptical, but you know what? I totally agree. I'm this type, or I cried through the whole thing, or whatever. And so we're just grateful that it ⁓ landed. If it didn't land with you, sorry, but it did land with ⁓ with a lot of folks, and I'm just grateful for that. Absolutely. We also wanted to say happy Father's Day week. We know that's coming up this weekend. ⁓ we also know that Father's Day can look a little bit complicated for some people. So whatever that looks like for you, we hope that you have a beautiful weekend. Yeah, absolutely. And before we get too far into the episode, we wanted to say a quick thank you at the top here for all of you who have joined us since we started this podcast almost a year ago. Yeah. Like we recognize you have a lot of great options of things to listen to on a long run or in the car on the way to work, wherever you listen. We realize you've got. Millions of podcasts you could listen to, and we're just so grateful that you've let us be a part of your journey. Yes. Whatever that looks like. Erica, we read Apple Podcast reviews at the top of the episode. And ⁓ we are currently sitting just under a hundred. Wow. Which is for me, I'm like, wow. Thank you all for doing that. So I we we're coming up on the end of this season, which is gonna mark exactly a year since we started. So if I'm allowed to like ask, Hey, can you help us push up to a hundred? You know, get us over a hundred. It would just mean a lot to us. And I mean, that's five star reviews and it just we're humbled by it. But we also I'm a three I'm achiever, right? And so you want to read that hundred. If we could say on season on episode ⁓ you know, whatever, the first episode of the next season that in a year we were able to get a a hundred five star reviews, like yeah, that might be kind of fun. So anyway, if you're willing to log on to Apple Podcast and do that, we'd appreciate it. Erica, who's today's review from? Today's review comes from Ashley Sant. She says, Wow, I am so happy and excited to have found Erica and AJ's podcast. My bank account, not so much. My friend and I ran our first Ren Disney race at Springtime Surprise last year. And after listening to AJ and Erica, I realized how terrible my training was. There are so many things I didn't think about or consider when training. And now I have a renewed spirit for renting and want to sign up for Princess or Springtime in 2027 and really use the things I've learned on this podcast to make sure I don't end up injured like last year. Thank you for this awesome podcast. I can't wait to see what's in store for the rest of the year. Awesome. Awesome. Thanks, Ashley. We hope you had success signing up for Princess. And if not, springtime surprise signups will be here in about three weeks. Yeah. That's coming up fast, which is crazy. But like it feels like we just like started registering for stuff, you know, and just we're at springtime. And now we're talking about registering for springtime next year. Yeah. That is wild. It's the Disney Way. ⁓ yeah, for sure. ⁓ really quick, upcoming topics. Next week is the last episode of season two. Craziness. Totally. ⁓ and all I'm gonna say is that we're gonna wrap up the season in a big way, followed by a huge splash into season three, which is gonna start on July first. Just go ahead and hit subscribe or whatever in your podcast player if you haven't done that yet. Because these first few episodes, like coming into the new season, like it's gonna be awesome. So excited. So excited. We can't tell you what it is. You're gonna have to be surprised. Yeah, it's gonna be good. We've done this at the beginning of each episode in this series so far, but real quick, we want to provide a really high-level description of the nine types on the Enneagram. If you're just joining the series, be sure to go back and listen to episodes 49 and 50 to learn all about the personality types. Perfect. Let's go through the nine types real quick here. Number one, as a reminder, is the perfectionist, also known as the Reformer, they're ethical. They are motivated by a desire to live the right way, improve the world, and avoid fault or blame. I believe I said this before that justice is a big word for the type one. Next is type twos. They are the helpers or the givers. They are worm, caring, and giving. They are motivated by a need to be loved and needed and to avoid acknowledging their own needs. Can you remind me what your phrase is about the two? Because you are Yes, I'm okay if you're okay with me. Perfect. Type three is the performer or also known as the achiever. They are success-oriented, image conscious, and wired for productivity. They're motivated by a need to be or appear to be successful and avoid failure. And my phrase on that is I want to get stuff done and look good doing it. That's right. Next is type four, which is the romantic or the individualist. They are creative, sensitive, and moody. They're motivated by a need to be understood, experience their oversized feelings, and avoid being ordinary. Perfect. Type five is the investigator, also known as the analyst. They're analytical, detached, and private, but they're motivated by a need to gain knowledge, conserve energy, and avoid relying on others. The great thing about a five is they know all the things. Yes. Next is type six. They are the loyalists. They're committed, practical, and witty. Their worst case scenario are thinkers who are motivated by fear and the need for security. They're loyal to what they like, but they're also loyal to the people in their lives. Mm-hmm. Type seven, and we said there's a lot of Run Disney runners in the type sevens, and that's because they're the enthusiast. They're fun, spontaneous, adventurous, and motivated by a need to be happy, to plan stimulating experiences and to avoid pain. And like we said before, that's basically every Run Disney runner right there. That's right. Next is type eight. They are the challengers. They're commanding, intense, and confrontational. They're motivated by a need to be strong and avoid feeling weak or vulnerable. Yes, eights get things done for sure. Type nine is the peacemaker. They're pleasant, laid back, and accommodating. They are motivated by a need to keep the peace, merge with others, and avoid conflict. All right, Erica, let's get into today's conversation with friends who we've brought on. We have an eight, a nine, and a one. That's the challenger, peacemaker, and perfectionist. I'm excited about this discussion because I feel like we're gonna learn. Yes, totally. So ⁓ let's introduce who we've got. Perfect. ⁓ first up, ⁓ well, kind of high level. We've got Ryan, Jared, and Kat. Ryan is an eight, which is the challenger. Eights want to be strong, powerful, and in control. ⁓ type eights are known for kind of being intense, ⁓ driven and and deeply resistant to being told what they can't do. They are natural leaders. Ryan, does all of that sound like you? You're already nodding. Does that sound like you? Yes. Yeah, absolutely. Don't tell me what I can do. I know what I can do. That's it. Hilarious. Yeah, very much a hold my beer while I show you that I can. Is that that's the vibe of an A. Exactly. Yes. Yeah. That's awesome. I love it. ⁓ yeah. I'll take my ball and I'll go home. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Okay. Perfect. Perfect. All right. Up next we have Jared. Jared is a nine, which is the peacekeeper. Nines desire inner peace, harmony, and to avoid conflict. Type nines are easygoing, supportive, and deeply content, which makes them wonderful running companions. Jared, does that sound like you? Absolutely. Whatever you say. Whatever you say. Spoken like a true knot. I love it. Like a true peacekeeper, whatever you say. I love it. I forgot to say we met Ryan ⁓ at ⁓ Marathon weekend this past year, which was super awesome. Jared, we've known online for a while, but we just got to meet a springtime surprise. Yes. And then Kat, we met a springtime surprise and we cheered. Cheered together. She had the best sign on the course. She was awesome. We talked about it in that, in that podcast episode. And Kat is a type one, which is the perfectionist, also known as the reformer. Mm-hmm. Ones want to be good, correct, and improve. They are driven ⁓ by an inner critic that constantly evaluates whether they are doing things the right way. I'm doing quotes right now, the right way. Type ones are highly structured, disciplined trainers who thrive with a detailed training plan. Kat, does that sound like you? Yeah, and speaking of my sign, I had to use stencils to make sure that the letters were perfect on my sign. So yes, absolutely. Yeah. You made sure it was done correctly. I love that. Thank you guys for joining us on the podcast. This is gonna be fun. ⁓ you're our last group. ⁓ like we're going through all nine types, and so we get to finish ⁓ finish strong ⁓ with the strong, strong group of folks. This is the gut triad. Right. So here, let's start with ⁓ when you learned about your Enneagram type, right? So when did you discover your type and what was your reaction when you saw how it described you? Can we start with you, Kat? You're type one. ⁓ and try and refer to your number whenever you can, just because people are listening. So go for it. Yeah. So as a type one, ⁓ I actually found out about it my freshman year of college. We were all kind of sitting in the lounge and we're all like, let's take the Enneagram quiz. And I thought it was really, really interesting because the more I learned about it. Things that I classified as, ⁓ this is just oldest sibling energy with actually just, no, this is your personality. Like everything needs to be perfect. You're are reliable and that's just how you're gonna be. Awesome. So you identified with it like when it kind of typed you, you said, ⁓ yeah, that's me. Like kind of gave you a language that you can use around around who you who you are. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. I was like immediately, I was like, ⁓ yeah, no, this is a hundred percent me. Awesome. ⁓ Jared, ⁓ can we talk about yeah, when did you learn your number? Yeah. So for mine and Ingram, it's ⁓ Definitely did not surprise me at all. So ⁓ I work in healthcare as well. So like trying to like keep the peace between the doctors and the nurses and the the admin staff, it's it's kind of what I do all day, every day. Are you telling me that there's not peace between all of those folks at all times in the hospital? Not at all times, no. All right, Ryan. When did I learn it? I was ⁓ we we w we were at a church event and the church was doing kind of a Enneagram test and ⁓ Every every single woman that was there was like, You're an eight. You are an eight. We know that you're an eight. No, it was I'm a str I'm a straight up eight. So it was it was I I knew it as soon as they said it. It's like, yep, that's me. That's funny. What's funny about that is you're not supposed to classify somebody else. Right. Right. Like you're supposed to like let someone discover it, whatever. That's funny that they all said you're an eight. Although I do feel like the eights probably get called out the most, like, ⁓ you're definitely an eight, you know. Yeah. Well Let me confess, Ryan, that I asked you to do this because I thought you were an eight. ⁓ Well, I knew it. Hilarious. Yeah. ⁓ in your own words, how would you describe your Enneagram type to someone who has never heard of it? And how does it show up in your everyday running life? So I'd say for me, ⁓ it's just natural for me to like keep the peace and avoid conflict. ⁓ so like as the peacekeeper, I run with a a run group here in Orlando that I like to make sure that we everybody's included, right? So like we always try to make sure we have ⁓ different groups for everybody, right? How do you handle conflict, right? When something whether it's running or not, like what what do you generally do when when a conflict arises? ⁓ I mean avoid it as much as I can, right? But ⁓ sure if I can't, I mean it's I I think I do a really good job of mitigating like between different groups and like kind of coming to a conclusion like that we can all agree on. So ⁓ That's that's kind of where I tend to lead. One of the things I found interesting in the book that we recommend and read or whatever is that ⁓ I I guess like some of the best presidents of the United States are nines. Interesting. Right. Because they can do that. They can see both sides, they can understand all the different things, whatever they can try and keep the, you know, the conversation going. You know what I mean? And so very interesting. Interesting. ⁓ who wants to go next? So ⁓ as a one, there is a right way. And there is a wrong way to do something. We are very much, we live in the black and white. There's like no gray. Like every time I'm trying to figure something new out with like my running, like I recently got into like heart rate training. I like had to research so much like the proper way to monitor it. Like, ⁓ what are the zones gonna actually look like? How do I actually like calculate this? Because if I get this wrong, then I'm hurting myself more than I am making it better. whilst a little bit of a perfectionist. So like when things go wrong, they go wrong fast. And it's just not fun. How do you get yourself back on track when things don't go your way? ⁓ I'm gonna be honest, it takes like about two weeks. ⁓ because I have to just completely do like a reset. And I've gotten a lot better with it the more I've started like learning about my anneagrams hype. But for a lot of my like early, early training blocks, it's taken I've missed about two weeks of training because I've fallen off the ledge and I'm like, I messed this up so bad, I can't get back until I do a full reset. Interesting. ⁓ Ryan, you're the eight. ⁓ how would you describe an eight to somebody and how does that show up for you and you're running? My my explanation to somebody is like if you needed somebody to come and be at a bar fight with you, you want me to be there. yeah. ⁓ I you know, just very I aggressive is a is a word that's been been thrown around. I I wouldn't say I'm super aggressive by any means, but very protective. ⁓ somebody who's like calm in an emergency, ⁓ and and doesn't like can being controlled or constrained. Yeah. when it comes to my training, when it comes to my running, it's very much like I I look at the the run schedule and I'm like, I'm gonna do that. ⁓ maybe. Like I'll I'll get it I'll get it done. But I usually run against myself. So like I'm never, you know, easy days are supposed to be easy, but I'm like, I'm gonna post this on Strava. So I can't like, you know, just just do an easy day. I have to at least get a PR of some sort. Of some sort. Yes. Yes. ⁓ a lot a lot of there's a lot of ⁓ when people think of an eight, a lot of negative words come out, you know, usually aggressive, challenging, whatever. What are the positive traits of an eight? Yeah, it you you want us there when when there's an emergency because if there's an emergency, we just like go into to cool mode. Like it's it's okay, here we go. Game on. It was funny because Kat was saying like how she has to reset things, and I'm just like, what? ⁓ that's that's interesting to me because I would not do that at all. I'd just be like, yeah, whatever. I'm fine. Let it go. I'll just move on. Yeah, sure. Sure. Yeah. She's shaking her shaking her no. Couldn't do that. Yeah, no. ⁓ which is interesting because like that's why I need you, Kat, to be a running partner. Right. Yeah. But it's funny because like as a two and a three, you know, like you're dealing with somebody that's a one and they can't shake it off. Right. Right. And you have to like remind yourself that. You know what I mean? That they can't just You know, when something is starts pouring down rain during a marathon, they can't just it's okay, it'll be fine. Right. And the eight, you know, same thing. They're like, I bet we can run twice as fast. You know what I mean? And so it's just so funny how our numbers collide sometimes like that. Totally. ⁓ Ryan, can you give us an example of a time during a race or training when ⁓ like your number was just on full display, right? It can be a run Disney race, it can be training at home, like your eight-ness was just on full, full display. ⁓ well every every time I walk in Disney it's pretty it's pretty much on display. I'm like runners to the right or walkers to the right, runners to the left, please. Yes. That's okay. that's fine. But ⁓ a good example I think would be ⁓ I I do a race here in Denver where it's like 10,000 feet and then it drops down three to to seven thousand feet. ⁓ so it's like a three thousand foot elevation ⁓ drop. And I wanted that like I needed an under two hour half marathon. It was just like in my Bones and that day I was like, you know what? This is happening. Done. So I would like just go as fast as I could, no matter what. And by the end of it, you go down around a bridge and it's straight up hill for about 60 yards. And I was like, what is I was like yelling at the hill. People around me were like, Are you okay? And I'm like, no, this hill. But I I got it. I was one fifty nine nice fifty eight or something. So that's awesome. That's awesome. Jared, what about you? When was your peacekeeperness like on on full display to on a race or or a training run? ⁓ I feel like it's almost every every race I do. ⁓ I kind of just like stay in my own lane and avoid people, right? Like ⁓ luckily with my group, we tend to ⁓ everybody has a ⁓ an agreement that we will start together and then we will meet each other at the end. There is no ⁓ expectation that anybody stays with anybody. Yeah. So it's kind of a just go with the flow. I will say I had an exact ⁓ example like at Ryan, where I guess I embraced an eight because when I ran Anchorage, mile twenty six to the finish line was straight uphill. So it it was brutal. That's terrible. Yeah, that is that's like I've been fair. Why would they do that? Right. Yeah. Yeah. What Jared, follow up question. What's the corral like for you? Right. Cause like ⁓ Ryan is is probably weaving his way through everyone to get to the front. You know what I mean? Maybe giving someone a little elbow, you know, kind of kind of vibe, right? But I'm imagining that you, the peacekeeper, probably don't want to be in anybody's way, right? Like, what is the corral like for you? I yeah, I I am not the person that gets in the corral the second it opens. ⁓ I'm off doing characters and saying hi to people. Yeah. ⁓ I usually get in about like 30 minutes before the start. So I'll be like somewhere in the middle of the corral. Yeah, I'm not pushing anybody. Where wherever they want to be, have fun. Yeah. Awesome. All right. Kat, when was your ⁓ your perfectionist on full display? Wine and dine half marathon of 2024. I woke up and I just immediately knew it wasn't gonna go my way. I woke up and I was like, nope, I'm not feeling good. It is 75 degrees out. This is less than ideal. This is less than perfect. But I still was like, no, but I want my two forty-five half. So I was pushing myself, pushing myself. And then I got to mile seven and everything just fell apart. Like fueling went wrong, was taking more walk breaks and just everything. And then I ran into a bunch of people that I knew over by mile eight. And I was like, I'm a DNF. Like it's It's a failure either way. I'm not getting my K forty five. Like this is wrong. And they were like, No, no, no. You're gonna walk. You're gonna get a three thirty with us and we're gonna meet characters and you're gonna have fun. And I was like, No, I can't do that. Like that's a failure of a race. Like I didn't plan to meet these characters. I planned to grow for time. I can't do this. But I was a bit eventually able to be like, Okay, no, let's finish because a metal is better than a DNF. You probably hate the phrase, ⁓ it's not If something's gonna go wrong, it's a win. You probably hate that phrase, right? ⁓ yeah. All right. Well, what motivates you guys to lace up and get out the door, especially on the days when you really don't want to? Honestly, it's my k it's my kids. Like, ⁓ I have two boys and and they ⁓ they look at their dad and they go, Hey, I wan kinda want to be like him. So when I can get out and run and show them that even a forty six year old can run ⁓ good times, like, you know, be healthy. Yeah. ⁓ that that's what gets me out. Jared, what about you? Yeah, so I'm in the same boat. So like as a nine, right? Like it's my kind of job to motivate and set the standard for other people. So ⁓ I also have two kids which one both of them do Disney races with me. That's awesome. So ⁓ yeah, just showing them that like consistency and like just getting out there and doing it whether you want to or not. Plus, I know I'll be mad at myself if I don't get up and do it. Like the rest of the day I'll feel like, ugh, why'd they do that? Yeah. ⁓ I like seeing completed runs. So like I have like I call it my gold star board where after I do a run, like I have a visual representation of like, ⁓ this run was done. So like when I go like three, four weeks of like a hundred percent runs with like weeks with workouts completed, I like seeing that because I'm like, ⁓ I'm doing it right. I'm doing what my plan wants me to do and I'm actually like getting out the door. So being able to physically be like, Okay, gold star good job. What does your training look like? Are you a follow the plan exactly kind of runner, or do you train Or by feel. We can skip count on this one. We already know the answer to that. Okay. ⁓ She's got her gold starboard, you know. That's right. She's probably got marathon, you know, all mapped out of exactly how many miles, I'm guessing. Is that true? Yes. Yes. No, a hundred percent. Even like this past week, I missed a run because I wasn't feeling good. And the next day I said, Well, I guess I'm doing speed work and strength training on the same day. I kind of do this workout this week. I feel you, cat. Erica does have a big ⁓ poster board in the closet yeah and it has the whole plan, you know, and you do get mad. I do, yeah. If you're like, yeah, but I was supposed to run today. I would have done what Kat did. I would have done both on the same day because you can't miss it. That's right. Yeah. ⁓ gosh. ⁓ Ryan, the opposite I'm guessing. ⁓ I try. I try to do that. I actually like created a website that like has all of my training in it. And then by week two, I'm like, okay. Let's just kind of go This this training block is going to be different. ⁓ I'm trying to do more of a hybrid kind of athlete type of thing. So ⁓ really trying hard to stick to the plan, but ⁓ eventually that will go away and then there will be no plan and then that plan will just happen. Got it. What do you mean by hybrid hybrid athlete? I don't know what that means. What does that mean? I'm doing ⁓ four days of lifting. ⁓ like heavy, ⁓ and then I'm doing about three night three to four of running. So gotcha. More more lifting than I am running, but trying to just stay healthy and, you know, not have my heart explode. Gotcha. I've been seeing you, I've been seeing your you're working out like like the you're lifting for sure. Is that it's totally side tangent. Are you seeing a positive impact on your running yet from that? Or or is that still in progress? No, it's it's it's going really well. Like I've told everybody like do leg day. Don't do not skip leg day at all because that'll help a ton ⁓ in your run. Even if it's fifteen, twenty minutes, it it helps a ton. Yeah. Awesome. Jared type nine. Are you a follow the plan exactly or you go by feel? How how do you how do you do it? I I'm actually closer to Cat on this one. I actually have mine mapped out for like four months at a time and on the refrigerator. So like I look at it every time I walk by. That's interesting. Mm-hmm. I'm jealous of you guys, both of you. Yeah. ⁓ okay. So ⁓ let's think about race week, right? Like you got the f the couple days leading up, or maybe it's in the middle of, you know, you're doing goofy or dopey or whatever and you're the middle of it. What does that like race week look like for you? Right, not necessarily the race itself. what does that look like, right? Do you get nervous, excited, confident, all of those things? Like ha Jared, we'll start with you. How does how does race week feel for you? Yeah, I don't really get nervous or too excited. Like I just I I will say like I plan the logistics, make sure I know like where I need to be and when I need to be there. But other than that, it's just fun. Yeah. Peacekeepers, I believe, are just calm, cool, and collected. Like they're who they're who you want around ⁓ kind of the ones probably need some nines around. You know what I mean? Because they are just like, that's cool, you know, kind of vibe. Yeah. Okay. Awesome. Kat, how how do you feel about the I'm I'm guessing you're a little more higher stressed? I'm a little more higher stressed. ⁓ Princess half weekend this past year with that rainstorm for the 10K. Had we had we checking weather bug and the weather radar and talking to my cast member friends like over and over and over again. I'm very much like three, four days out before a race. I'm checking what the temperatures it's supposed to be like at start. I'm checking, okay, is it gonna rain when I get over there? Double checking the bus schedules, even though I know what time the first bus leaves every single time, because I have to be on that first bus. But it's just very much like, okay, now I'm like, what am I eating? I have to make sure I'm eating right. I have to make sure that everything is like going to plan. And if something doesn't go to plan, like the 10K this past year for Princess, where they're like, we don't really know what's gonna happen. I was supposed to be in bed by 7 30. I didn't go to bed till nine o'clock. And that really stressed me out. Yeah. So like obviously the weather's out of our control. How do you handle other runners or other people on the bus and the hotel and whatever when they're not doing it, quote unquote. the correct way like you are. It's a lot. It's a lot. I've had a lot of like I'm also originally from New York. So I just have a very loud mouth. So I'm very much the the type of person that I'm like, it's too abreast, move over. ⁓ run a slow walk, r walk us to the right, like move over, move over. Because like I can control my voice. I can't control other people. And I'm gonna call you out if you're not doing things the correct way. I actually think you and Ryan should not run together. I think we should. Yeah. The two of you will get yourselves to that proof of time, you know, ⁓ PR for sure. That's funny. We'll have fun doing it. Yeah. What does Grace Week look like for you? Do you get nervous? Are you cool, calm? Like what are you? Yeah, it's g it's game day. So it's you know, that that hypes me up. I l I really like it. It's funny at Disney, you you know, people stop for characters and stuff. I don't think I've done that once ever. I'm always like just this is this is business. I gotta get gotta get going. ⁓ But the other the other thing too is ⁓ like going up to it as an eight, like one of our one of our pitfalls is more of like not only intensity, ⁓ but excess and like having that a lot of of s you know, g yes, give me all of it kind of thing. Yes. ⁓ so when I go to the the the the expo, I I like to enjoy a beer and then that beer turns into four beers and then I'm like, ⁓ my gosh, I have to run tomorrow. ⁓ no. ⁓ well, I'll figure it out. I'll figure it out. That's so funny. It happens. That's awesome. ⁓ so every type has a wing, right? I'm sure you guys well, whether you're familiar with it or not, the idea behind the wing is that ⁓ your your number is your number and you can like ⁓ your sub number, your kind of like partial number is ⁓ the one before it or after it. Right. So I'm a three, I can wing two or four. I wing towards a two, right? ⁓ So what are your guys' wing types? Jared, I'd love to start with you as the nine. ⁓ it's the number before or after. Do you agree with your wing? You know, like, or do you not even know your wing? Like t tell me the things. So I actually mine is an eight. So I do actually swing that way and I do agree with it. ⁓ although I can be the peacekeeper, I sure as heck can ⁓ step in to be asserted when I need to be. Yeah. What does that look like? Well, yeah, when when does that happen? Work mostly, but Not as much with running, but ⁓ definitely ⁓ work and ⁓ children. I have to exert that ⁓ assertiveness with them quite often. So we've never had to do that. Our kids. Our kids, you know they're they're they're they're perfect. You mean we haven't had to do that in the last ten minutes. That's right, because we've been here with you guys. Right. Mine are somewhere. Yeah. That's funny. ⁓ Ryan, we'll jump back to you. ⁓ what's your wing? Do you agree with it? It's somewhat of a wing one, but Honestly, I am like straight up eight. Like it is just that is my core. That's what it is. If I have to be more organized or if I have to be ⁓ you know, more black and white, I I definitely can be. ⁓ but it's it's hard definitely for me. Interesting. I would have guessed you were a seven because of like ⁓ you know, wing seven, because of how much fun you appear to be wanting to have all the time. ⁓ you know, I would I would have guessed that. But that's that's interesting to me that you wing towards Towards the perfectionist. ⁓ Kat, ⁓ you are the perfectionist. Which way do you head? Do you head towards two, which is the giver, or do you lean towards ⁓ the peacekeeper? So I lean, I'm a one-wing two. I lean towards the giver. ⁓ especially on those out and backs, I'm the one that's gonna be like, if I'm coming back in and you're going out, I'm still gonna be cheering you on. I love to cheer people on while I'm on the course and just giving them like the hype. If I see somebody struggling and I can like grab them up and be like, let's go. You got this, like come on. I want that sense of community. And that's like something that I just love about like run Disney and all about. I'm the one that like I'm gonna give all my energy to you if I see you struggling. Yeah. And we saw her do that at springtime. Totally. For the 10 miler. She was there before we got there. She was there after we left. You know, cheering everybody on, which is awesome. Do you guys have a race that didn't go the way you planned? And how do you think your personality type played a role in how you handled it? Yeah. ⁓ I'm gonna talk about Marathon this year, this past year. ⁓ I started out really, really strong. I started out pretty much hitting every single pace goal that I wanted to hit. I was hitting right on the mark for like, ⁓ maybe I can stop for Everest. ⁓ maybe I can do this. But my watch was just acting up, which is like not ideal because it's just like, ⁓ no, I can't see my splits anymore. The fueling was going great. But because that like one electronic little issue happened, I like was off in my brain by like 10 minutes. And so then the rest of the race was just wrong. And then a cork it went 85 degrees by the time we got into Western Way. And I had to like walk part of the the last like 10k of it. It was just so hot. But I was like, okay. I was perfect up until like miles 17. And then it just kind of like fell off. So in my brain, I was like, seventeen is like Almost perfect. So you were you were able to hold yourself together and get get to the finish line. Yes? Yeah. Yep. That's awesome. I have a question that goes back to your watch thing. We ask a would you rather question. Would you rather run without your watch or would you rather run without your headphones? If you had to choose, which one would you give up? I'm guessing you need you need that watch, but I'm I'm I'm curious what your answer is. No, actually I could run without my watch. I need my headphones. I need because if I if I have like a musical theater soundtrack playing. I can like base it off of like, okay, I should be at mile one within like these three songs. And I can do it based off of that, but I can't just run with my thoughts. Gotcha. That's impressive to know know the musical timing. Yeah. That's smart. I've never run a musical theater before. Yeah. Yep. All right. ⁓ Jared, when did it fall apart and how'd you handle it? So my ⁓ favorite race of all time, I did flying pig three years ago during the ⁓ monsoon. of ⁓ twenty twenty three. So ⁓ they ⁓ so that race you actually like run over the bridge into ⁓ Kentucky and run down and back, right? So while we're on the bridge, it started pouring down rain. We literally had to run through ⁓ like knee deep water for like two miles. ⁓ my gosh. ⁓ it was terrible. ⁓ I still finished it's my slowest marathon to date, but I'm still happy I did it. From like a like what what what point in the race was that and how what were the miles after it like for you, right? Like I'm trying to get in the head of a nine. So it literally started raining at like mile one, ⁓ until about mile nine or ten. And then at mile seventeen, the sun came out and it got nice and steamy the last nine miles of the race. So it was like no just hot and sticky. And yeah, there was more walking than running, but I still made it. Awesome. Yeah. All right, Mr. Eight. The first I think the first marathon I did, I had shin splints that were shin splints and my IT band seized up. ⁓ jeez. ⁓ and it was about mile twenty two when I was like, ⁓ this is not great. ⁓ and I just remember going, if I stop, I'm going to just die, I will die. Like I will be done. I will be I will go off the course. So I just David goggins the whole thing and I was like, here we go. Let's go. Like, keep going. So I just kept I just kept running. Like I was just like, okay, here we go. ⁓ so yeah, that was the the I think the hardest one that I've done. I mean, there's been others where I think at Disney it was like, you know, 210 degrees or something, like at one marathon. And yeah, everybody was just just melting. Yeah. And I remember picking up like ice bags and just putting it wherever I could. Yeah. but ⁓ yeah, overall it's like I'm just gonna keep going. Like forward is a pace. Yeah. You know, keep moving. Yeah. So every number, and you guys may be familiar with this or not. I don't I don't know. But every number goes to another number when they're stressed, overtaxed, under fire, whatever. And then they go to a different number when everything is perfect, running great in their life, right? So if you ever like, you know, sometimes I identify with a five or whatever. It's because you might like your number might go to a five when you're super stressed out or whatever. So when things fall apart or whatever. So I want to talk about where your number goes. And I just said five, which is actually Ryan, that's your number. ⁓ so when you w in it casu like ⁓ not casually, generally the eight goes to a five, which is the analyst or the investigator, you know, like I need to know, I need all the details, I need the whatever, you know, they get like introverted, you know, and and they they hide a little bit, right? Do you agree with that for you? ⁓ a hundred percent. Yeah, that's Yeah, the i i it's interesting because I think every therapist I've ever had is a five. And that like helps me in in in general to to move forward because that's something I need is like just give me just give me the the evidence, give me why I should do it, and that's enough for me to be like, Okay, cool, thank you. I'm gonna go now. I'll I'll do what I need to. Interesting. All right. ⁓ the nine goes to six, Jared. ⁓ the six is the loyalist, right? Like they don't like change. ⁓ They're loyal. Like if it's working, if it's not broken, I'm not gonna, you know, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I have my people. These are my people. Don't touch my people. You know, kind of a vibe. Do you agree with that when you're stressed out? ⁓ yes, absolutely. I have to have a plan when things go awry. So like I will quickly in my head determine, okay, this is how I'm gonna get through this. So even at like if I'm having a bad race, right? Like I'll ⁓ say, Okay, well, I'll if I can be fourteen minute miles the rest of the way, I can survive. Yeah. Okay. And then the one goes to, and this one's very interesting to me. And I'm curious, ⁓ Kat, if you agree, it goes to the romantic or the individualist, right? Like the ⁓ nobody can really understand me, like deep in the feelings, lots of journaling, lots of like, you know, I need I need to be in nature, you know, yeah, creative, whatever. ⁓ do you agree when you're too over over stressed and whatever, do you head that direction? ⁓ yes. ⁓ yes. That's that's my two week reset. I call it. That's my I'm gonna try and be as creative as I can. I'm gonna be with the people surrounding me that like are creative. I'm gonna film silly little like TikToks and all that just to get out of my head of, ⁓ I'm failing at something. Let me like express it a different way, kind of a thing. Awesome. Well, let's stay with you for a second and let's talk about where you the number you head to, or at least typically, you know, the average number or whatever goes to when everything is really going smooth, right? And there's No bills that are like overdue. There's no your kids aren't driving you nuts. You know, the traffic is fine. There's nobody on the road. Like when you're just humming and everything's good, the one goes to seven, which is the enthusiast, you know, at least on average. And the seven is like, what fun thing can I do today? You know, like what's what's the most adventurous thing I can do? ⁓ do you agree with that for you? ⁓ a hundred percent. A hundred percent. Especially if you catch me on a really, really good one Disney weekend, I am up. next to DJ CJ and I'm dancing with everybody and I'm like let's just make this like the most exciting, like enthusiastic thing I can do. Or I'm screaming as loud as I can. Like if I'm in like a really, really good headspace, like you're just gonna see me be energetic, enthusiastic, and like pretty much I like to call it obnoxious because I'm just so like a hundred and ten percent there. Like when Eric and I we were in the reunion lot and nobody was there and we were just s Scream singing all the songs that the DJ was playing because it was just like a really, really great day. And that was Erica with a CK, not this Erica, because this Erica is screaming at the top of her lungs, you know, with the DJ. I would absolutely pay a thousand dollars to film and record that. Nope. Because that is never gonna happen. So yes, that's that's Erica with a CK for sure. Yes. ⁓ Jared, the nine goes to three. So you come my direction, right? The achiever, the performer. Right. We like to get stuff done and look good doing it. Check things off that list and make sure everybody knows we did it. ⁓ do you agree with that for your number? Absolutely. Like for me, like it's always figuring out like what the next goal is. Like what's next, right? So like right now I'm trying to do a race in all 50 states. So it's like, okay, cool, where do I want to go next? And how do I keep planning for that? Yeah. One of the things about the three, the achiever, is people focus on the achievement part of it and less on the performance part of it. When not performance like you performed well, but like you do it to perform in front of others, right? Like that's a thing for the three. Is that ⁓ when you're like humming and everything's good, do you ⁓ does that happen for you where you need to look good in front of other people? No. Okay, that's not true for you. I do it for myself, I don't do it for others. Got it. Okay. AJ does it for himself. What? You think so? Like has a podcast. Yeah. No, no. I mean you do for you do it to look good. I know. That's I thought you meant that. Yeah, that's what I meant. Yeah. ⁓ all right. So Ryan, the challenger, this one's also super interesting to me. Goes to your number. Seriously. Goes to the two. When everything's good or whatever, they go relational and they want to be good with everybody else. Do you agree with that for you? I would say so. Yeah. I'm I'm an introvert at heart. So I like after this, I'll go take a nap. ⁓ but like It if everything's good, it's like I can let my guard down a little bit and then go and like actually peek my head out of my little dark corner and be like, ⁓ there's people here. Yeah. Cool. I would have thought I would have thought because you kind of hesitated in the beginning, I would have thought that he would have gone to two and and whatever. Because like when I see you at a run Disney race weekend now a few times, you're just like, Hey buddy, like and you're the like you came down for springtime a lot. You traveled across the country. We just traveled one state over. Right. And you traveled in, not running. just to support friends. You know what I mean? Like I would have thought, yeah. So Run Disney must be your happy place. Yes. Is that is that true? Yeah. It's it's the place where I could go into a huge story here, but it's a place where like I found community. ⁓ I found like people that were ⁓ of like mind that support each other. That it's it's not like necessarily competition. It's definitely just like let's let's do something that we all really love to do. And it does, you know, it helps that we're all kind of a little bit nerdy and like we enjoyed being Disney adults. So yeah, that's it's it's definitely my happy place. So I get to come out of like my shell a little bit there and kind of be who I really am. Mm-hmm. I love that. Okay. That's awesome. In what ways has understanding your Ennegram type actually made you a better runner or helped you grow? Maybe understand others, communicate better, lower your anxiety, things like that. Kat, you want to go first? Yeah, so it's actually helped a lot. Like there are gonna be days where I'm gonna wake up at like five o'clock in the morning after closing at eleven o'clock at night and I'm like, I can't get the run in at five o'clock. I'm too tired. But I can be like, okay, I don't need to follow the routine, even though my brain is screaming at me to follow the routine. I can push it to like an evening run as much as I'm gonna hate it, but it's gonna be like, okay, you're still getting that run in, which is Crazy because in the past couple like training blocks that like if I woke up or I decided, let's say I push my run to the nighttime and Central Florida thunderstorms happen and I get off work at eleven o'clock and it's still thundering and it's not safe to go outside, I can be like, Okay, I can double up. Where as opposed to previous training blocks where I'd be like, I guess I'm skipping this run and then that run would turn into I guess I'm skipping two runs and just like the spiral of it all. Yeah. Ryan, what about you? Yeah, I just you know, ⁓ aggressiveness is kind of the thing that is innate and I have learned to not do that. Like I've learned the the triggers that are there and to to not take it as seriously as as as I need to. Like I'm not gonna win Boston anytime soon. So well, not with that attitude, but maybe. Dude, you've been doing leg day. You're gonna win Boston just fine. I know. That's true. You know what? Never mind. We are gonna positive mindset. ⁓ I mean, you know, I it's I'm not getting paid for this. I'm having I need to have fun with it and I need to just enjoy what it what I'm doing. So knowing that I can get into a mentality and seeing those triggers as an aid is like, okay, I need to kind of cut those off and and move around them. Mm-hmm. Jared, what do you think? So for me it's the interaction with others, like knowing where I stand and being able to like, okay, how do I use my personality in order to like interact with the different types of other people? Yeah. Because I can say like, how do I ⁓ keep the peace, but then also make sure that like I protect myself, right? Like I don't want to like go too far out on the limb to help others and forget what I'm trying to do. That's really good. That's really good. I like it allows me to give a lot more grace for other people when I'm like, it's okay. Ryan is a stressed-out eight right now. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like that's okay. And I can like give myself. permission to let him have the space or whatever. Or it's okay. A one does not like when it when your watch doesn't work. Let her have some whatever. Or, you know, let's distract her. You know what I mean? Like to me, I love having the Enneagram for that. For sure. ⁓ so let's talk about the dark side of this, right? Like every personality has kind of the less ideal traits. Is that a nice way to say that? Sure. Okay, perfect. ⁓ in what ways does your personality type work against you when it comes to your running and your racing? Right. So like ⁓ I'll give you an example for the three, we can sometimes, unfortunately, cut corners and whatever because we're trying to look good, not necessarily be good. And that that's a pitfall. I have to be very aware of that, right? Is that like sometimes I can just drop some training runs or say I did a certain amount, you know, or and make it look like I did on Strava when I didn't really, you know what I mean? Like things like that. And so that's like a pitfall of the three. Yeah. ⁓ cat, what's any anything like that for the one where it's like kind of like, ⁓ we gotta I gotta watch this, I gotta monitor this because it it could go bad. I love to hate it, but it's the perfectionist side of it. ⁓ I don't like calling it a dark side because sometimes it really does help. But then there are days where I'm doing like a tempo run or any kind of speed work and I'm missing those pacemarks. And just seeing that I'm missing those pace marks makes me feel like a failure because I'm not hitting it. So there have been weeks where I have completely fallen off on a speed work and then I finished the workout and then I said, okay, I'm repeating this because I should have been able to do this, which is probably more of a hindrance if I'm doubling up on runs in a week that I didn't have to because I felt like I just felt wrong when I failed at that run. Gotcha. Okay. And Ryan. Mine is ⁓ should just showing weakness, like showing. As a as an eight, like we don't like that. We don't like to say that we we're soft anywhere, right? So showing weakness and being like, man, I cannot get my like my tempo runs right now are just awful. And I'm like, I'm not gonna talk to a run coach or you know, subscribe to run a why would I do that? I can do this. Like Chat GPT can tell me what to do. ⁓ yeah, it's it's tough to like it's it's that like mental game of of no, it's not weakness to ask for help. Jared, we're talking dark side of your number. What's what what's the pitfalls or what do you have to watch out for as a nine? So for me, it's like staying in your comfort zone, right? Like making sure it's hard for me to like set that goal and like keep pushing it, right? Like I know where I'm at and I'm okay with it. So I just kind of stay there. That's my biggest issue. ⁓ wow. That's really good. That was deep on all of y'all's accounts. Wow, that's awesome. ⁓ if you were giving advice to another runner who shares your Enneagram. type, right? Whether you're whether you're doing it right or not, what advice would you give, you know, for them to consider, right? Things to watch out for, you know, things for growth, whatever. How what would you recommend to someone who is also a one or an eight or a nine? ⁓ I know for me it's like ⁓ leaning into that ability to be consistent and like stick to your training plan and like use that to make sure you're going forward. ⁓ and then the other piece like I talked before was like making sure that you Keep an eye on what your goals are. So don't always like lean and keep the peace for others, but forget what what it is you're trying to achieve. So that that's where like I would make sure like you just always wanna like keep moving forward and make sure you watch out for yourself. Excellent. Awesome. For the eighth, the the comparison is the thief of joy, right? So don't compare yourself to anybody else. You're running your race and that's okay. But remember that there are people here to to to lift you up and and be behind you and really ⁓ be what the community is. So don't don't don't be too hard on yourself because ⁓ we're we're all gonna finish that that finish line, hopefully. Yeah. And then for me as a one, it's gonna be no matter what research you do to try and find that right and wrong way, it's generalized and it's not based on you. So you can go through that generalization, you can do all that research, but there's also a right and wrong way for you to complete it. So while you're doing that research, look at yourself and look at your body and look at where you're at with stats wise and like even life. Like there's some training plans that are gonna have you wanting to run five, six days a week. And that's might be right for some people, but it might not be right for you. That's really good. All of that was so insightful. Wow. That's really good. I love that. All right, y'all. Let's get to the heart of it. Let's talk Run Disney. Is there anything about your personality type that applies to why you choose to do Run Disney? Ryan, why don't you start? You start talking about community. Yeah. I ⁓ I don't know how personal you want me to get, but ⁓ like I I've I've gone through a divorce in the last ⁓ year and a half. So when I went through that, it was incredibly hard. And the the people who rallied around me were were Run Disney and and the people there. And I I'm with With cat, like I I love going to the front of the the stage and just getting hyped in the morning and ⁓ closing down the parking lot. Like that's like my favorite thing to do is just be in that community because that is my happy spot. And that's something that I've had to learn over over the last, you know, two years, three three years, whatever it was, that that I need to be a better man for myself. I need to be a better man for my kids, but also I need to to embrace the the people around me and so. I love Run Disney. It's it's it's my happy spot. I'm here in Colorado, but like I I would love to ⁓ to be in Orlando and just be around it all the time. That's awesome. Thanks for sharing, by the way. Thank you. Kat, what about you? So funny thing is I think Run Disney is gonna be a onesworth nightmare, but I love it no matter what. There's so many things that could go wrong. The race starts late, they have to move characters inside, the lines for the characters are too long. It's It's my worst nightmare, but it's my favorite thing in the world because it pushes me out of that like perfectionist mindset. Like I can say to myself, okay, I'm gonna meet two characters and that's my goal. And then when I f if when and if I feel my race slipping, then it could be like, Okay, go meet more characters. Grit yourself out of the I have to hit my time goal and now you're party patching at a Run Disney race. I love it. I love it. That's so good. So it's funny because I think Run Disney is like perfect for the nine, right? Because being the peacekeeper, that chasing connection with people and like the whole community is like exactly what a nine is about. ⁓ and then it's just like the meaning and shared like memories with people, right? Like you don't run Disney to PR, at least most people don't. You you do it for the fun and to be with the people. I I am lucky enough to be born and raised here in Orlando. So like I have known Disney my entire life. So it's just kind of who I am. Mm-hmm. Wait, we don't PR? You're not supposed to PR? Huh? I'm not sure what he was talking about. That was that was confusing. I think he glitched there for a second. You know, on the on the street. Yeah. I PR in character stops. There you go. There you go. Yes. That's awesome. Okay. Thank guys for sharing a lot about your ⁓ Enneagram types or whatever. I have a big question for y'all that I need to ask you about ⁓ your your preference ⁓ on whether you'd rather run down Main Street or get a finisher medal. But before we do that, any other thoughts or last comments about your type, run, you know, how that relates to Run Disney or running or anything. Any any kind of final comments. O open mic for a second about your Enneagram type. Anything or are we good? I I was just going to say like you you can learn within your Enneagram type of how to be not that Enneagram type and how where those things are are struggling and where you can ⁓ learn and move forward. In those things. I mean, that's a lot of kind of what ⁓ what I've gone through again for the last two, you know, three years is like I don't have to be an eight all the time. I can really start to like get give more myself and and start to understand people. So just just know like, ⁓ man, I'm an eight. That means I'm a jerk. Like you're you're not. No. And there's a difference, Ryan, in between like, and I I'm saying like you probably agree with me, that there's a difference between like a healthy. Whatever your number is and an unhealthy. Right. So like for me, like, you know, like it, I'm a two, so I'm a giver. And like that can be healthy, but if I'm if I'm constantly putting everybody but myself and and like almost to my detriment, then that can be unhealthy. And so I think whatever number you are, like you can you can be healthy or unhealthy in that same number. So yeah. 100%. And Ryan, I did want to say one other thing about the eight that I think gets misunderstood. They're one of the reasons they're called the challenger. And you probably know this, but I wanted to say it here on the show is that They challenge other people in and that sometimes is received by like a two, you know, as like, ⁓ my gosh, why are you asking me these hard questions? You know, like leaving. You must not like me. Yeah, you must yeah, exactly. You must not like me. But the eight really wants like you would probably say on the course that you'd probably yell at somebody like, Yeah, you can. Let's go. Like, let's go, let's go, buddy. You know, and that might be perceived as a negative, but you're like, No, we can do this. You know, and so I think that gets misunderstood sometimes. Do you do you expect? Yeah, absolutely. There's in work in general too. I'm a by trait, I'm a UX designer. So my whole job is to ask why fifty to a hundred times in order to get to the end goal of things. So and that all can come across like why, why? Like stop, stop. Like you don't need to do that. I get really pumped when people are like, let's go. Let's do this. Like you got this, you got this. And when you're crying on the side of the road, it's like, man, I don't want to hear that. Right. But it's not it's a lot of times I think it's like it's not because you don't want to hear it, it's because you know they can do better. Right. You know they can do it, right? Exactly. Yeah. And I think that gets misunderstood about the eight. Like everyone thinks, ⁓ it's just a just a pushy jerk. And the reality is, no, like they want to be better. They want you to be better, you know. They and I think you totally nailed it. Like my dad is an eight, and he always asks, you know, are you sure? Or why? And I take it. I take it personally, but the reality is he just wants to know if I really believe what I'm doing. And if I really have a good reason, then he's like, great, awesome. Yeah. You know, but he wants to make sure that I'm not just like, yeah, I'm gonna start a podcast for because it sounds fun. You know what I mean? Like he wants to make sure, why are you doing this? You know, all that. And it challenges me in a good way. The eights are helpful despite negative whatever. Drill sergeants. Awesome. Okay. ⁓ Kat, did you have any other final comments? I was gonna say embrace the darker side of your personality. Like I said earlier, like I love to hate my perfectionist side. Like she's there, she's gonna be there. And it's okay to be that perfectionist. Like you're reliable, you're there's a right way and a wrong way to do it. And maybe your plan is gonna go a hundred percent, maybe it's not. And if you can find ways to like make it better, make it better, that perfectionist is gonna be a part of you. And even though people use perfectionists with a negative connotation, it doesn't be a negative connotation. Yeah. ⁓ there's a lot of problems, like even outside of running, like with work, that I'm just like, I'm looking for something and the perfectionist in me is gonna help me improve. Like if I'm planning an event and I want it to be better than the last year, I'm gonna improve on it. And that perfectionist is gonna help you. It might be considered like it's a dark side sometimes, but they're there to help you too. ⁓ yeah, 100%. Yeah. You want you want a perfectionist in logistics and things like that because they will find the hole. They will find the gap, right? And they'll plug it. They'll fix it. Yeah. And that's a really good thing. Yep. Cool. Awesome. All right. Here's the question. We ask everyone who comes on our podcast this question. ⁓ and the bottom line is would you rather run down Main Street or have a finisher metal? Right. It's a Disney half marathon. Would you r you can only have one of those things? Which way do you choose? Erica is obviously team Main Street. Main Street. And I'm team finisher metal. We'll just go, let's go eight nine. We'll go eight nine one. Okay. ⁓ Ryan. Finish your metal. A hundred percent finisher metal. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. ⁓ do you have your medals displayed anywhere? They're not, there's no way they're sitting in a box. They are in my closet, ⁓ underneath a bunch of clothes. And there's like, I don't know, f 30 of them just sitting there, just doing nothing. I need to. I just haven't got around to it yet. I need somebody to help come plan that for me. Okay. All right. But I still appreciate you're on my team. ⁓ we'll go eight nine one. Jared, are you a ⁓ Main Street ⁓ all the fields, or do you want that accomplishing ⁓ medal in your hand? Well, considering the wall of metals right there, I'm going team finisher metal. Team finisher metal. You guys are all against me. I know cat I know cat's metal. Good luck. And I'm gonna be main street. ⁓ If I'm having a bad race, I don't want that metal to remind me I had a bad race. I can reset myself on Main Street. I can like reset it and be like, okay, here we go. All right. That's such an interesting perspective. I've never heard that she doesn't like I assume every medal's a good one. Like just because it shows that I did something, but I did never occurred to me that it'd be a reminder. Reminder, yeah. Wow. Crazy. My wine on metal from 2024 is on the bottom of my closet. I don't want to think about that race. I don't want to think about that metal. ⁓ my goodness. Wow. That's very interesting. Okay. As a three, I just need to like show off that I did it. Right. You know, good or bad. That's interesting. Okay. Thanks for thanks for that. Wow. But Erica, I did want to point out that's two to one. I thought I thought it was gonna be three to me. Three to one. Yeah. I thought for sure all y'all were gonna say medals. Yeah, but it you're still winning in the grand scheme at the end. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like it's getting closer these days. It is. It is. ⁓ man. Well, thank you guys so, so much for joining us on the podcast and helping us learn a little bit more about each personality type. Before we let you go, if you wanna share, where can our friends find you online? Yeah, so I am running through theme parks on TikTok and Instagram. I post my running videos on TikTok all the time and I share my Instagrams. ⁓ I am apparently now known for my post run chocolate milk, which is a really funny concept because I've had I've had a couple of people tag me in other people's videos being like, ⁓ hey cat, look, it's a post run chocolate milk and I'm like, Yeah, no, that's we that's fun. Where did the where did the handle name come from? Is there a story behind it? The running through theme parks? Yeah. So I got into running through Run Disney. So for a while I was just, I wanted to post Disney content, but I w didn't want to be like just like Disney Disney in general. So after my first marathon season, with even where I did my first marathon, I finished that one and it was like a near perfect season. And I was like, okay, what do you what am I doing? I am running through theme park. And and I just love running and I love theme park. So awesome. We love your content. ⁓ Ryan, you wanna share or you don't you don't have anything worth we're sharing? ⁓ you I I don't have anything worth sharing. ⁓ you can follow me on at Ryan Run. and yeah, and I'm on Instagram a lot. I I I do a lot of my ⁓ my training there. I like to look back on it and just see ⁓ how far I've come and ⁓ I've taken, I don't know. I was gonna say people might want to follow your ⁓ your lifting progress. Please do. ⁓ it's a lot of fun. I know. Suns out, guns out these days. My sister gives me a lot of crap for not wearing a shirt. So sorry. And you used to document a lot of stuff on YouTube. Do you still do that or not really at these days? You know, I was still thinking about doing that this this round. ⁓ you know, I love I love filmmaking, so it's something that I'm passionate about and something I might try. So ⁓ yeah, go go to the Instagram and there's my YouTube channel there as well. And ⁓ all 15 people that follow me. It'd be great. Yeah, YouTube is our is our ⁓ is our least whatever numbered thing too. So I actually have less followers than Ryan, so I'm just gonna sit over here in the corner. But ⁓ yeah, so I do have Instagram. Yeah. ⁓ it's just laced up bad life. It's nothing special, but it's there. You're special to us. Yes. I follow you. Yeah. Well, Erica. Yes. Do you have anything else? Nope. This was super fun, guys. Thanks for being vulnerable. ⁓ I think you all did that. ⁓ you shared This was really insightful. You wrapped up the Enneagram series for us really well. ⁓ and helped us understand the eight, nine, and one a lot better. Cause we don't those aren't, you know, obviously aren't our numbers. Yeah. So thank you guys for joining us on the podcast and thank you for sharing today. We really appreciate each and every one of you. Yeah, thank you. Thank you, friends. That was not only helpful, but so much fun. Erica, I've really enjoyed having ⁓ everyday runners, right? And almost all of them have Run Disney experience and it's just been a blast for us. It's kind of sad actually to like wrap this. Because we did it for three episodes and now it's kind of got me questioning like, how do we have these kinds of conversations? Yeah, you know, totally ⁓ more often. And so it was it was a ton of fun. Thank you all. And not just today's guests, but Throughout the entire series. Thank you for coming on, being vulnerable and being willing to put yourself out there because we know that this is not easy. And we do video, right? Right. So it's like, hey, not only would we like for you to be on a podcast, are you okay sitting in front of a camera for an hour and a half? Yeah. And letting us use it. So thank you guys for being a part of this. It was so much fun. Speaking of fun, today's guest also stuck around for the after show that we do for our support crew, which is our fancy name for our Patreon members. The conversation is light and hilarious and the after show has become a very fun part of the week. It certainly has. The conversation here on the podcast, like the main show, is always very fun and and structured. Right. And the after show that we do for the crew is it that kind of goes out the window. Yeah. And in a good way. You know, it's a lot of fun. It's a great way for you to get more content beyond the podcast if you want it. ⁓ not required, right? We don't hold anything back. It's mostly just fun. And it's a great way for you to support the show if you totally if you want to do that. Erica, ⁓ as we wrap this episode up, it's gotten a little long. Do we have time for like a personal training update? Sure. Okay. Perfect. ⁓ tell me how your training is going. That was a hard left turn, but that's okay. Tell me how your training right now is going. So while Disney World Marathon training has not and will not begin for another two weeks or so. Yeah. ⁓ tell me how are you right now? So right now I am going through kind of a lot of health things. ⁓ most of you guys know that I had injured my hip back like in October of last year. I did finally go to the doctor, ⁓ did confirm that I had a labrum tear in my right hip. ⁓ so I am not actually allowed to run for another month. ⁓ at least not quote unquote for marathon training. Yes, which is what my doctor said. ⁓ so in a couple of weeks I can start doing a little bit of light jogging. I did get a steroid injection, so hopefully that will help soon. ⁓ also I found out that my constant joint pain is because I have an autoimmune disorder. So There's kind of a lot of stuff going on right now ⁓ medically, but I'm not, you know, you know me, I'm stubborn. So ⁓ I'm gonna safely work through this stuff and for clarity, does any of that stuff say that you can't like you might have to change your speed or the approach to training? Does anything change what you're allowed to do long term? Like, are you allowed to do half marathons and marathons? Yeah, I still can. I just now I know why it always hurts, basically. Yeah. So You know, I'm learning some things that will hopefully help. But ⁓ what does that do for your desire to do these things? Right. Because we do them a few times a year. What what's your desire level now? Are you like, ⁓ no, I need to I need to back off? Where where are you at? ⁓ well with the hip, I feel like I need to just come back real, real slowly. ⁓ because I don't want to like make that worse. Yep. depending on how things continue to go, I would maybe have to look at running some shorter distances potentially, maybe more halves and less fulls. ⁓ I love that a half is short. Yeah. I was over here thinking five K's and ten Ks and you said a half. No, no. Yeah. But we've talked before about 10K being an awesome distance because you get you get the accomplishment without the wipe you outness. Correct, correct. Yeah. I'm just we're just gonna keep going and see how see how it goes. Okay. I am kinda sad that I won't be able to run the entire ⁓ Peachtree road race this year. ⁓ right. ⁓ because I'm actually only supposed to start running like, you know, two days before it starts. Right. So I think there's gonna be a little bit more walking involved. ⁓ but again, I've been dealing with a hip issue for like six months and I know some people run that race. Yeah. That is like imagine a Disney 5K and you're starting in, you know, the back. That's what that race feels like the entire time. Because it's so many runners on one street through Atlanta. Yeah. And so it's very crowded and there's so much support and whatever on the side that like People do run it. Right. But like you could fully ⁓ walk and have a great time. Totally. Honestly, it's more sad, not sad, but we have a friend that was gonna run it with us. And so I'm kind of bummed that we're not where you I'm not gonna be able to run with him. We're gonna have to let him let him just let him do his own thing unless he wants to walk with us, which defeats the whole purpose. So No, he's gonna accomplish something. Hopefully I can jog a little bit, but we'll see. I'm telling you now. I'm telling everybody now, so it's on record, folks. Do not let me run the entire thing because you know I'll get there and try to do it. Mm-hmm. You will. Yeah. So I have We're not letting that happen. I have, I have it on record now. A lot of people heard you say you're supposed to walk it. I am. And so when I say Erica, just walk, I'm gonna say, you know who knows that you're supposed to walk is everybody. Everybody. That's right. Maybe we should live stream it. Perfect. So I literally can't write. Yeah, that would be perfect. Yes. But enough about me. Tell us about your ⁓ training for New York. It's good. Right now, ⁓ I'm like, seven weeks or so in. Yeah. And the miles are starting to stack up a little bit. Uh-huh. ⁓ in a in a good way. Yeah. You know, a couple weeks ago I did 13 miles and felt really good. I'm committed to the run walk. Like that's the thing that I'm doing different this time. Yeah. ⁓ I have like ⁓ you and I've done the marathons and I've run walk with you, which is I'm going to do whatever you're doing. Right. This is a race where I've decided ⁓ to commit to run walk at my pace. At my interval, whatever that's that's recommended and all that. So I'm committed to it. Like it's not it's getting easier, not harder, to deal with the intervals and stuff like that. ⁓ and I've said before, it's not I've gotten beyond the like, ⁓ no, someone's gonna see me walking. That's not the issue. Right. I don't like waiting for the timer. Uh-huh. That drives me nuts. Yeah. Listening to a podcast or my song or whatever, and I'm like, Okay, wait a minute. How many, how many, you know, when can I walk again? Or when should I walk again? Yeah. And sometimes I still miss it. I still miss the beep. You know, it beeps. And I'm like, I look down, I'm like, it seems like it's been a long time. Right, right. Like, ⁓ shoot, I missed a walk break. So I'm still getting used to it. Yeah. But like ⁓ that you know, I've mentioned ⁓ you know, two weeks ago I did like a half marathon distance, like that for the first time, even though I wasn't pushing at full race pace, I walked away from it and mowed the lawn. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And I ended up taking a nap, which is fine. But like I didn't like come in like laying on the floor with you know, like, Erica, I need an IV of fluids. You know, like it it felt okay. So I'm kind of a little bit leaning towards this team run walk. Yeah. You know? I'm super curious to talk to you about it after you finish the full marathon. Like I want to see how it feels different to you at that point versus like every other time that you've done. Yeah. And I may have I think I said this like a Instagram post or something, not here on the podcast. So I'll say it here is that the reason I'm committing to this is I did a half marathon at Disney doing the run walk with the pacers. Yeah. And then the next day did the marathon with you. Uh-huh. And obviously run walk and felt fine the entire weekend. Yeah. Right. I literally and I got a PR at the Yeah, you ran a half. Yeah. Right. I mean, I ran it in an hour and forty six minutes, right? Like awesome. Yeah. And the next day went and did the next race. Right. Right. Felt fine. Yeah. Six or nine months later, whatever that was, you and I went and did a ⁓ proof of time race. It was flatter, less crowded, all that at home. And I ran the whole thing. Yep. Sick for days. Couldn't walk. And it shaved like 30 seconds off my time. Right. And I was just as trained and just as ready. And so I'm really like, okay, so if it's not letting me, if it didn't help me get faster to run at the whole thing, versus run walk. And my recovery time was worse. Mm-hmm. That's a really good ⁓ case for run walk. So I'm giving it a full shot. I forgot that you got sick after that race. ⁓ yeah. Apparently that was just a bad race for both of us because that was the same race when I apparently tore my labrum. Yes. Great news. We have proof of time. Yeah, we do. Yeah. It's just great news. Can't run, but I have a proof of time. That's right. Yeah, yeah. Go up to runner relations and say, I I won't be running this race, but I wanted you to know that I have the sacrifices we make, Erica. Awesome. Okay. Any other training things? Nope. That's it. Okay. Perfect. ⁓ friends, as we wrap up this episode, we just want to say thank you. Thank you for joining us for this week's episode. Thank you for the encouraging feedback on the whole personality series. Be sure to join us next week as we wrap up season two of One More Run the Podcast. Mm-hmm. Thanks for joining us for this episode of One More Run the Podcast. 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