speaker-0: No.

speaker-1: There, I'm Pastor Toot Whitley, and this is Conversion Therapy, a podcast where I help lost lambs back to the heterosexual pasture. As you may know, I myself am a reformed homosexual. In fact, I used to run a C and B torture orgy where a lottery determined who would get their family jewels tied in a dot line hitch on a St. Andrews cross. Now the only cross I'm concerned with is the one that Jesus was crucified on. And if I can get straight, so can you. And so can our guest. Please open your hearts to gay Avery McClure. Avery, how you doing today?

speaker-0: Hey toot. I'm doing well. Thank you for having me today.

speaker-1: I feel very blessed to have you here, you know. I think this has been a long journey to get you here.

speaker-0: It has, frankly. It has. Yeah. It's been quite the I've been kind of prodigal son.

speaker-1: ⁓ would you say that about yourself? Exc n now tell me, why do you feel that?

speaker-0: I feel that I've been out in the fields and I've been rough in it with just everything in the field.

speaker-1: Yeah, the field in getting so the sort of homosexuality.

speaker-0: Of the homosexuality. And I've been getting scratched up. Mm-hmm. You know, and there are critters out there that are squirrels and otters, you know. And they are scratching at Bears. Bears. There's ⁓ my. Tigers. ⁓ my. Mm-hmm. And I just am I'm happy to be here. I feel safe here.

speaker-1: Mm-hmm. ⁓ my. I'm so glad that this journey has started off so positively for you. You know, some people find it very difficult to admit that they're ready to let go of their sinful ways to enter the kingdom of heaven and that's a tough journey, but it sounds like Okay. And you know where you're gonna go if you do that. Sticks. H. E. double hockey sticks. And that's a that's a sad place to be for eternity, as we know.

speaker-0: If I don't get into heaven I will kill myself. H. G. double hockey stuff. ⁓ that's sad. Yeah. That is insane. That whole idea.

speaker-1: I know. It's it ain't right. It ain't right that people are treating their souls like a like an old bag of bag of golf clubs, just throwing them in the back of a car, dragging them out in the grass. You know, these are all homosexual metaphors, of course. You know, throw them back in the car, back of the car. Bottom, dragging around in the grass. What's grass without the GR? And there we go.

speaker-0: Yeah. And it's green. And it's a flag, the pride. Flag. Pride. We have to talk about pride.

speaker-1: We and that yeah, to talk about one of the seven deadly sins, that's for sure. Right.

speaker-0: That's right. Mm-hmm. That's right. It's one of the world. No. And you really good. You are really good re yeah, I can tell.

speaker-1: Thank you. I I make sure to avoid the seven deadly sins in all ways possible. And I try and ⁓ live in the light of the Lord. You know, I have a I have a torrid past and that's why I like to work with people like you Avery.

speaker-0: Yes, we were at the nightclub. I I met you. You were going off ⁓ grinding on somebody. Yeah. You looked good I'll say.

speaker-1: We met? I was I mean, that's very kind of you to say, but those days are behind me. I mean I did go go dance in my time. Are you talking about ⁓ Big Chuck's Jeff Burrow? Yeah, yeah. Thank you so much.

speaker-0: Yes, Big Chuck's beefy prod. You were looking good. And it's of course not something I wanna actually think so much about. It was really scary. It but it was you know, I I I had a good time, but We're beautiful and y you know, but it's obviously gay beauty is not my cup of tea.

speaker-1: No, no. We're looking at straight beauty, you know, like ⁓ sort of buildings with no color. Rachel Ray, beige, living room century modern. That those are the things we find beautiful. Now, I I was curious how gay do you think you are on a scale from hm, all right, to okay. You see how one's sort of more straight

speaker-0: Rachel Red. Mid century modern. I see exactly what you mean. I see exactly what you Okay. I would say I'm all the way to Okay.

speaker-1: ⁓ yeah, there you go. You're saying it really like that way. So Okay. So you're a ten out of ten homosexual. You put it at nine. Okay. What do you think takes off a digit? ⁓

speaker-0: Maybe nine out of ten. Let's put it at nine. Sometimes I take that test and I think, well maybe. Okay. The Myers Briggs or the ⁓

speaker-1: You take a you sort of like an ENFJ and that lets you know Actually, no, I think you're more of an INFP. You think? Yeah. You're a I need frickin' pain.

speaker-0: There's and I know. Change that P to p pussy and you're in

speaker-1: Business. Yeah, I need freaking pussy more like we're we're talking rude. ⁓

speaker-0: More like it. I w see that we did. But I tell you what, when I see a woman and I see her I see her breasts, I notice I'll say that I notice.

speaker-1: You notice them. Yes. Okay. So it's not sort of you don't really have a feeling either way, but you recognize that they're sort of like an arm or a you know, like an ear.

speaker-0: I think I I think I go w What are those?

speaker-1: What are those? And you know, that's I think that's exactly a beautiful jumping off point. I think that'll be very helpful in you know your journey towards straightness. Cause if we can follow what are those to, you know, looking down in the crotch and saying what and what's that? There. And who's there? Sure. Knock knock. Yeah. I do think that that is going to bolster your journey into straightness and into the kingdom of heaven. And that's what we're here to do.

speaker-0: And who's the Thank you, Tude.

speaker-1: Of course, you know, it says here when we're doing some research on you that you often wore overalls a lot as a kid. So do you think that that contributed to your your your homosexuality wearing overalls as a kid? Right. Strapping it up.

speaker-0: I mean it must have. Right? It must have I ⁓ Mm, strapping it up. And I think it cupped my my, you know, developing body in a way.

speaker-1: Yeah, it was cupping your prepubescent to pubescent bodies. So you weren't just wearing it as, you know, four or five, you fifteen, sixteen

speaker-0: I was in high school. In high school, fifteen, sixteen, I was wearing it. Cross country I wouldn't go out of ⁓ I said, I'll stay in these.

speaker-1: cross country so on road trips you just say ⁓ you'd stay in your overalls top to bottom on trip.

speaker-0: I'm saying ⁓ the running, running. ⁓ you actually to be honest.

speaker-1: Cross country meaning like as track and field. Track and field. I was you'd stay in ⁓ Yeah. Well, country boys make do. Yeah, you be running really fast. I run fast. The chafing and overall is really something else.

speaker-0: Field. Stay in them. It was crazy. And I think they did contribute. Yeah.

speaker-1: Yeah. Okay. Well, you know, that's something we'll that we'll ⁓ make our ⁓ our our church community aware of, no, overalls in the church. What are you most looking forward to about being straight? There must be something that you're feeling really passionate about ⁓ to to go on this journey.

speaker-0: Thank you. Mm. I think it's marriage.

speaker-1: Wow.

speaker-0: I think it's marriage.

speaker-1: That's beautiful. Hmm, proper marriage between a man and a woman.

speaker-0: Like we said, ⁓ pussy or you know, I think that'll be really ⁓ you know, I'm looking forward to that aspect. Okay.

speaker-1: You look really sad when you're saying that. That's that's scary. What makes you feel s that fear? What's bringing you fear when you say you know, 'cause I say what you're looking forward to and you look You're terrified, you're biting your fingernails like Scooby Doo.

speaker-0: It's scary. You know, Well I know. Well look, I think it's gonna be great. Mhm. And I think it's more reverence than fear. Mm-hmm. It's pussy to me it's pussy. Mm-hmm. Or it actually I wanna say it's it's p you know, it's I don't even wanna say it almost I almost don't even wanna you know. It's so much reverence that I don't even wanna I actually love it so and respect it so much I don't even wanna touch it.

speaker-1: Say it. Yeah, it's like Exactly. Hmm, interesting how you kinda go around the other bend of that where you're

speaker-0: Right. Well a lot I think a lot of straight guys have that. Where it's you care about it so much that you don't wanna you know, you don't wanna

speaker-1: I mean I would argue straight men feel the opposite in that they don't care about it at all and they love it. Really kinda desecrated as part of their whole thing. But listen, when you're describing pussy ⁓ with such reverence, you're white as a sh. You're shaking, you're wavering in your chair.

speaker-0: Cheat. I've never seen one. How's my body look? I haven't even looked at my body.

speaker-1: How's your body look? Yeah. You look like an upstanding man to me.

speaker-0: Good. I think when I started talking pussy I started going like

speaker-1: Yeah, you really shrunk inward. You sort of collapsed in. You became very fearful. Your eyes were looking for an exit.

speaker-0: But again it's that it's that reverence. It's a little different. I have a lot to learn.

speaker-1: That's okay. And you know what? That's what you're here to do. So what do you think will be the hardest thing to let go of about being gay? Like what are some th one thing or a couple of things that that will be hard to say goodbye to? You love the shoes. I'll say Yeah, you know, you gotta switch right into sort of like a like a hiking boot. Yeah, unfortunately. Big big hiking boot or sort of one of those Yeah.

speaker-0: I love the shoes. ⁓ Yeah, I'm gonna be more in hiking boots. Keynes. I loafers, I'm wearing loafers today.

speaker-1: Loafers are good. They're the midway point between regal old gentleman and gay man on a cruise. So that's good. The loafers are looking good.

speaker-0: Right. Thank you. They're it you know, they're in good shape. ⁓ the other thing I'm gonna miss, honestly, do you know about poppers?

speaker-1: ⁓ yeah, I knew poppers in my day. I mean at at ⁓ big juicy rods, rods or whatever. Big chucks we were talking about. Yeah, I forget I I was in so many, those in and out of so many, I was barely there. Yeah. We were doing poppers this way. Yeah, you know, a straight man can only do one drug, ketamine on a camping trip. Exactly. And that's all. But other than that, no drugs.

speaker-0: Yeah. Drugs, I'll miss drugs the most. With his I'll miss it. I will say I'll miss it. I like the speed and I like all the others.

speaker-1: Speed is the number one for you and then all the others sort of come up.

speaker-0: And like I said, you know, God, I actually can't think of ⁓ now. I can't think of ⁓ now, but there's so many.

speaker-1: Yeah, there's so many. ⁓ you can't think of any other drugs. Marijuana, black tar heroin, crack, meth, crystal. Yeah. I mean listen, I did I did ⁓ all. ⁓ Yeah. Sometimes at the same time. Hell yes. And you're in and w now we both don't get to do that. But you know what? Sometimes there are other ways to get high. How about

speaker-0: No. ⁓ you know I was gonna say ⁓ Yeah, right. Yeah.

speaker-1: Yeah, we're not allowed to drink those. Nothing with whipped cream. Nothing with a straw, really, too phallic. And and

speaker-0: Pink drinks. Yeah. Fruity drinks.

speaker-1: Okay. You can't have juice anymore. Did you know that? No. Yeah, you can't have juice no more. No juice. No orange juice. Really? Because I mean listen pulp, that's semen of the orange. Really? No apple juice either because no apples are, you know.

speaker-0: Really? Orange chip.

speaker-1: Yeah, cum words. Or something like that. Yeah, that's I've read that too. That apples are cum lords. I've read that. It's hard, so you're gonna be thirsty, you know.

speaker-0: That's right. Yeah. ⁓ Is there such thing as blueberry juice?

speaker-1: ⁓ there's not blueberry juice yet, but I would assume that you could probably consume blueberry juice. But not straight. Not straight. I mean straight always, never gay. But not on its own. Gotta get that straight if you know what I mean. Yeah, right. Okay, you know what? I am getting a pretty good feeling about this. I think we've been doing ⁓ I I get a sense you're really serious about this. You're taking this real seriously. And so ⁓ we're gonna do a couple of exercises. So

speaker-0: Got it.

speaker-1: This one is a word at a time phrase. Okay. So I'll start off a sentence with a word and we'll go back and forth saying one word at a time until we complete a phrase together. Does that make sense? Yeah. Okay, so I'll say the first word and then we'll continue on back and forth until it feels like we can feels like we got it. Okay. Man. Two.

speaker-0: Yeah, yeah, it does. Mm-hmm. Loves I wanna say suck.

speaker-1: Okay, you see why that's maybe Okay. Man loves to That's okay. We're w we can finish it out. I think we say it. So you say suck. Yeah. We can always turn around. Man loves to suck. Joy

speaker-0: Okay. ⁓ I see. I'm sorry. Yeah, okay. So The Lord.

speaker-1: Yep, med loves to suck joy. The Lord. See, okay. We turned it right around. That was good. Thank Timmy. And you know, I it's okay. It's okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of nerve-wracking. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And listen, it's gonna be we're fighting against your instincts here. That's right. So that's okay. Every once in a while we're gonna veer in, but we can veer back out, okay? Okay, so heaven for

speaker-0: For a second there I said so. Sack there, DM. Wait. No one.

speaker-1: ⁓ my God. Did you feel I felt Jesus in this room just then? That felt great. Did you feel that? No. No. Yeah. We get to decide who gets to and who doesn't. Yep. Yep. And this is gorgeous, you know, I'm really seeing who you could be. Prayer.

speaker-0: I like that some people aren't coming in. They haven't. Stop! Thank you. Okay. Okay. Pray.

speaker-1: Together. You could be a lyricist. I think you should be writing hymns. That one felt really good and you sort of you got very gentle there for a moment. You must fell asleep. You felt so calm on Try your pride together tonight. I think we should even be singing that. That's gorgeous.

speaker-0: That one felt good. We pray together tonight. Pray together tonight.

speaker-1: Okay, that one's gone in the hymn book.

speaker-0: I wanted to kiss you.

speaker-1: Okay, so you see how we looped back around, it wasn't good. Sorry. That's okay. We did connect, I understand that. Yeah. Sorry about that. That's okay. We're gonna get back on track. Okay.

speaker-0: ⁓ sorry you at chat 'cause I'm like, ⁓ my God. He was a chat.

speaker-1: Yep, yep. Not there anymore. We're in a church basement right now. We're in the we're in the house of Lord. Yeah, damp down here, fluorescent lights only, sort of the smell of ⁓ pasta dinner that was cooked down here for hours. Yeah, yeah. We're clanging around. Beautiful. Beautiful natural environment. Okay, let's let's no. You just try to kiss me again. Do you see that? No. Okay, you blacked out. No. Let's get back on track. Okay. Gospel.

speaker-0: Right, it's really wet, it's damp. ⁓ metal chair. Whew. Matthew, one of the best.

speaker-1: He is, said Okay. Very good. Good. Listen, we took it. We deviated from the one word at a time, but I think we got to the right place. Right. And that's okay. You can do that. I think that's good. Okay. Cause you you got the you got the right spirit. Exactly. Okay. Judas. And

speaker-0: Yeah. No. He just No. Are you no? Are you seeing my penis? ⁓

speaker-1: And Okay. Are you Okay. No? Okay. I mean where there was once no sort of ⁓ bulger object, there is now one.

speaker-0: Well, that is my fault. Sorry. That one's my fault.

speaker-1: That's okay. That's okay. All right. We're gonna hopefully this one'll bring it back down.

speaker-0: I think it was Scallywag or Pirate. It was either Scallywagger or Pirate.

speaker-1: It wasn't Trader. Traitor didn't Okay, Trader made you go in opposite of a boner, sort of Okay. Okay. Mass. Mass, mass, ⁓ A S S mass.

speaker-0: Okay. Mm. 'Cause that one actually has real implications. Say it again, sorry. Mass can lovely we God's Love abundantly

speaker-1: B Wan Share. Okay. See this is what I'm saying. This is what I'm saying. That felt really good. That really felt like we were, you know, coming together there. It was beautiful.

speaker-0: That felt good.

speaker-1: Now again Now again it does

speaker-0: Sorry. Yeah.

speaker-1: The connection we have is ⁓ don't cry. Hey, it's okay. Don't cry.

speaker-0: ⁓ sorry. Yeah. Yeah. This is conversion therapy.

speaker-1: Exactly. Conversion therapy is supposed to be that's the that's the point of it. Right. Okay, so we're gonna be all right. Okay. Okay. Just remember the connection we have, that's it's because the Lord's bringing us together. Yes, sir. All right, it's nothing nothing romantic, nothing sexual, all right? We only have one more. Bibles, many words.

speaker-0: So fun Sure. Okay. Okay, all right. Say beautiful versus sexual sinful.

speaker-1: Smut. And Okay, so here we go. You know what you're doing. We we stuck the landing, you know, we had a couple of shaky steps there, but I think we really stuck the landing.

speaker-0: I feel good. I feel really That word sinful is really good. It's a catch all. It works a lot.

speaker-1: I think so too. Sinful I mean ⁓ if it if it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck. Absolutely.

speaker-0: Might as well be a duck. Gay ass. Gay ass? Yeah, gay ass duck. That duck's a gay ass duck? Yeah.

speaker-1: Yeah. Okay. That's good. Yeah. We're gonna move to the next exercise. Yes, sir. So we're gonna play around of this or that. I'm gonna say two things and you're gonna choose one of them. Feel free to weigh the pros and cons of either of these options out loud before you pick. Yep, you just choose one or the other. If it feels difficult, like I said, you could this and this about this one, this and this about that one, but ultimately you'll make your choice. Sure. Okay. Church picnic.

speaker-0: I just choose.

speaker-1: or gay brunch.

speaker-0: Gay bro or a church picnic.

speaker-1: Alright, so you said gay brunch first and you said it pretty confidently.

speaker-0: Tape I say think I said that as a joke. I think I did if we play the tape, roll tape. I think I said that one as Do you actually have tape? Fuck.

speaker-1: Okay, you think pretty serious move. Okay, you know what? That's alright. Okay. We're gonna move to the next one. That's all right. Sunday Mass or Sunday Pilates class.

speaker-0: Great, great, great. Sorry about that. Ooh, this one's tricky. I do love Pilates, I think that's great, but I think it's a lot of women in there with l little to no clothing. And I I like to see it because I obviously I love women. So but it's not right, you know.

speaker-1: Yeah. They are being sinful. They're being lustful in the eyes of la Okay, so Okay. Okay. Yeah, you know, I'm glad that you said mess. Your reasons for not the hat Yeah, pretty great hats in there.

speaker-0: Yeah, a lot of no clothes on there. Yeah, so I would say probably math. Yeah, the g all the guys have great hats. And some of the guys are ⁓ you know, you're like, What's under the robe? Obviously as a joke. You're like, What's under the robe as a joke? Like what is it? What is it? ⁓ No you hear I don't think I did say anything bad. Dry mouth.

speaker-1: Yeah. Yeah, take a sip. Okay. Hmm. So we're do the next one. So Bible study or or dancing with the girls. Definitely not. Yeah.

speaker-0: I'm gonna say oral. Probably probably Bible study. Just 'cause dancing with the girls is ⁓ quite temptatious for me. ⁓ Yeah, I find that a bit temptatious.

speaker-1: Okay. Very fair. Temptatious to be around ladies with writhing bodies.

speaker-0: I can't remember the word temptations. ⁓ my goodness.

speaker-1: Yeah, you said it. You said it. And I did really love it. Temptatious for sure. It kinda sounds like a gorgeous gorgeous woman. Temptatious Jones. Mm-hmm. We gotta find you one of them. ⁓ and I love the use of the word knockers.

speaker-0: ⁓ I love that. Big knockers. I bet so. Just for the kids. For the kids to suck all on.

speaker-1: Okay, so as a s as a source of food

speaker-0: Right. ⁓ 'cause it's all about the biological imperative.

speaker-1: Back to the water. Okay. We're gonna move to the next next ⁓ question. Christmas morning or drag race finale watch party.

speaker-0: Great. ⁓ God. ⁓ God. Yeah. Drag race is really awful. Really bad. A lot of these guys are be really like lost and everything and you know, it's it's so many beautiful outfits, you know.

speaker-1: Okay, good. Okay, so a last boy in a beautiful outfit.

speaker-0: Yeah, a lot of them are lost men in beautiful outfits. And I hate that. I'd probably say

speaker-1: Yeah. So I'd say the other one. Yeah. You look like you're making sort of put on face of disgust. Yeah.

speaker-0: Rose. What's the other one I get to choose? ⁓ actually that is good. Yeah. I actually would choose that one here. That one actually I think was the first ⁓ time I've been honest.

speaker-1: Christmas morning. Okay, and we have one one last year. Okay. I appreciate you confessing, you know, that that and we're getting there. See that's the point. It's a long

speaker-0: I actually do. That was a good one. It's growing, it's becoming natural. It's really yeah.

speaker-1: Reforming these lines of scientific. What we're doing here is scientific. Conversion therapy is based in the scientific proof that what I think you should be doing is what you should be doing. Yes. Okay? Yes. Okay. Last one. Yeah. Let's stay on this track. Holding hands with the Lord or touching lips with a man.

speaker-0: It's a n it's scientific. Right? ⁓ god. Probably holding hands with the Lord.

speaker-1: Hey probably seems maybe. I mean the Lord is a man, yes.

speaker-0: He's a man, right? Yeah, he's a man. So so it'd be good to hold hands. Just ⁓ with the Lord. Yeah, actually. More I think about it, that one actually could be good. Could be really good.

speaker-1: What are you picturing? You sort of look it up like you're picturing something.

speaker-0: I like the idea of it, I think. You know the story. Why is there only one set of footprints in the sand and there's two people on the beach? 'Cause was holding holding you, carrying you. And I've always loved that image. Jesus. Big man or like Jesus.

speaker-1: Big wait, big man Jesus? What does Jesus look like in your mind's eye?

speaker-0: Yeah, well you'd have to I think he's a guy, obviously, with ⁓ obviously good heart. Broad shoulders probably f firm probably everything's firm, you know? ⁓ okay and you know, he probably

speaker-1: Mm-hmm, gotta have a good heart. Okay. Yeah.

speaker-0: ⁓ yeah, that's all I picture about him.

speaker-1: Okay, I guess the most important parts. Boy, do we have our work cut out for us. ⁓ luckily I've invited my friend and heterosexuality expert Skid Beef to join us after this short break. ⁓

speaker-0: Great. All right. ⁓

speaker-1: Hey man, sorry I'm late. I was just ⁓ got caught up watching YouTube tutorials of how to do a Peter Griffin impression. But I'm Skid Beef, I'm here now. Happy to see ya, how's it going? You feeling good so far?

speaker-0: Nice to meet you, Skid. Feeling good so far. Okay. Yeah, pretty good process so far. Yeah.

speaker-1: Good, that's good. I'm ⁓ masculinity coach, as two probably told you, and I'm gonna help you connect to your raw masculine. We're gonna get you right with Jesus in no time. ⁓ I I hear so far you've been having a little bit trouble ⁓ you know, ⁓ really really connecting to your raw and inner masculine.

speaker-0: Great. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I'd say probably so. ⁓ s skid is it's probably been hard, you know, just connecting with with that masculinity. Mm-hmm.

speaker-1: Mm. Do you find like, you know, when you start your morning what do you what do you normally eat for breakfast when you wake up in the morning you're stuck?

speaker-0: I love yogurt. Like a light yogurt. ⁓ fat free by the way. And I put a little bit of granola in there. Okay. And actually the other day I went to Training Joe's they had raspberries. ⁓ So I got a little bit of raspberries. And I put I just doppled those on right on top. Yeah, dopple.

speaker-1: Apple. Okay. ⁓ I can see your problem right there. You're not even starting your day trying to be masculine, you know. When I wake up I drink six raw eggs. You know, I I slap a steak around on the counter. Sometimes I don't even eat it, but I'm slapping around raw beef on the counter. I'm starting to knock things over with a big s wet steak.

speaker-0: Slapping it around? ⁓ Okay. Hm. With the beef? Yeah. You're hitting the beef ⁓ all that meat. God. ⁓ God.

speaker-1: Sounds like you're okay. I didn't mean to give you a visual that

speaker-0: No, I just I'm thinking about your me your meat, my God. Thinking about your meat, my guy. My brother Brother are in Christ, I assume you're Christian. Great. Sorry, my

speaker-1: I am. Yeah, you're got something going on downstairs.

speaker-0: It was literally just my ⁓

speaker-1: Penis having a bonus.

speaker-0: Yeah. Yeah. It's no big deal. Yeah.

speaker-1: Alright, I guess that's kind of on me. I did I'm a big strong guy. I'm talking about throw throwing around a big piece of meat. You'd probably I guess I was asking for that. So okay, we're gonna do an exercise. Sure. And this is called reactions. So I'm gonna list some scenarios and you're gonna make a sound or say a phrase that a man would make if this happened to him. You stubbed your toe. fuck.

speaker-0: Well yeah, just kinda ⁓ great. Yeah. Fuck my fucking life, Chungus fucking life. My fucking wife and kids are s on my last fucking nerve. This toilet is in the way. Maybe he stubbed his top.

speaker-1: I think that's really good. I mean, you really took some liberties with that, but I I appreciate where you took it. I think it's good. ⁓ I'm gonna just ask you, you just gotta talk a little bit over the mic. Sure And understand you're used to having something that close to your face, you're trying to put it your mouth, but keep your mouth.

speaker-0: Good. ⁓ yeah, sure. What do you mean?

speaker-1: Saw a sexy woman. Sexy, not sixteen. Well, also that's fine, to me.

speaker-0: Sixy women. Mm-hmm. Sixteen? But we're roomless any over eighteen. Yep. Got it. there she is.

speaker-1: Mm-hmm.

speaker-0: Fuck. Hey girl Hey Shit girl I'd probably say that something like that.

speaker-1: Okay. You know that was kind of on the line. Kind of on the line. ⁓ because you know, I think if maybe somebody s said that maybe a little more gr don't crab at your Sorry. That's okay. I mean we're talking about women, it's fine.

speaker-0: Okay. Yeah, it's probably the woman. That's good. Yeah, think about her. Probably

speaker-1: Okay. Okay. Okay. What might a man sound like if he got cut off in traffic by a ⁓ Prius?

speaker-0: Mm-hmm. ⁓ okay so I'm in my truck I'd say Hey Lib Tard get your ass out of my lane You and your whole family probably eat granola for dinner You fucking ass or I would say Turn left or make a choice asshole Like in the car I would say Use your turn signal asshole And maybe I'd roll down the window I would say Hey Idiot. Like look at me and tell me why you did that because you are such an asshole.

speaker-1: I appreciate you gave me a couple different options there. No, no, that's ⁓ I like when you give options because I think it helps you rev up into it. Right Okay, so I like that. I like that. ⁓ let's let's try that. Yeah, that's great. Well your voice correct. What's the intention behind the server? Okay. We're going to do that one one more time. Yes, sir. And I'm gonna ask you to get a little more angry.

speaker-0: Sorry, is that too too many? No. Make it short next time. No. Yeah. Okay. Yes, sir. Can I call you, sir? Yes, sir. Right. ⁓

speaker-1: So you got cut off in traffic by a Prius. So you just get let that anger ride.

speaker-0: Ugh, you fucking asshole! Kill yourself! Kill yourself! Kill yourself!

speaker-1: Now that was beneficial. I thought you did great. How did that feel? Did it feel like you were connecting with yourself? It feel like you were connecting with your masculine raw masculinity?

speaker-0: Felt good. Yeah. Yeah, felt good skid. Yeah. I like that a lot. Okay. Keep going. Yes. Okay.

speaker-1: Okay, great. Then let's keep what what might you react like if you were eating a juicy steak?

speaker-0: Mm-hmm. ⁓ mama, you cook this great. Damn girl, you cook this tender. I've never had a tender sirloin like this, Mama. Fuck.

speaker-1: Okay, you are doing excellent. I'm gonna be honest. When we started this exercise, I wasn't sure how far we'd be able to go with it. But you are really committing. Thank you. I super appreciate that. You're being great. This is good.

speaker-0: Thank you. I appreciate you, Skid. You're You're great, Skid. Okay. You you you come over any time, Skid. You and my family. I got a family, probably. Couple of years.

speaker-1: In a couple of years you'll have a family zero.

speaker-0: Probably. And you're welcome anytime. Me and my wife Yeah. Yeah. We're come on over.

speaker-1: Okay. Okay, that's beautiful. I like v ⁓ the visualizing that you have a wife in the future. Totally. That we could come out you know, Bernadine, that's your hope.

speaker-0: Yeah. Bernadine's wife Bernadine. Bernadine. My kids, one of them got hit ⁓ by a car. But we knew that God ordained that, whatever. So that's what Bernadine and I say. We we say whatever. So this is in I even remember his name. In the I don't

speaker-1: Fiction in your fictionalized future where you have a wife, yes, you're deciding in your imagination already that your child will be hit by a car. No. Or ordered by a and you Okay. Yeah. So it's a son that got hit by the car.

speaker-0: Like I said, not my choice. And the daughter is happy and healthy. He's dead.

speaker-1: Okay, I mean it's important to set goals, so that's good. You you gotta be specific for your manifestations. ⁓ man manifestations of course. Yep. Okay. Let's get back to the exercise at hand. What phrase or sound might you make if you saw a girl with blue hair?

speaker-0: Sure. Hmm. Figure out your life and then come back to me.

speaker-1: Alright, it was a little sassy, but I think that was good. I think we're negative towards the blue hater.

speaker-0: I was. I was negative.

speaker-1: When you beat your P B lift at the gym.

speaker-0: And personal best life.

speaker-1: Absolutely.

speaker-0: Fuck yeah, brother. Hit it.

speaker-1: Okay. I like that. That was good. When you say hit it at the end, do you know you're you're referring to something specific? Hit it.

speaker-0: My buddy over there. Fuck. Okay. My buddy's watching. I say, fuck brother. Hit it.

speaker-1: Yeah, you gotta have a spot. So that's good. Yeah. I appreciate that. Okay. You went to grab a bud light from the garage, but there are none left.

speaker-0: Fuck it, that trans person took my bud light.

speaker-1: You are taking this like a fish to water, you know that? You knew what to say.

speaker-0: I just knew it. I knew what to say. And I think I'm becoming Yes. Michelle Obama. Becoming. Book? Yeah, I think about her book every day. Not anymore, God.

speaker-1: It's it's working. That are b Okay, we got two more of these. A new Marvel movie comes out.

speaker-0: Yes sir. ⁓ yeah.

speaker-1: But it's Wonder Woman 3.

speaker-0: Not this shit again.

speaker-1: Yeah, that was great. That was really good. Okay, the last one, you find the perfect step bomb porn.

speaker-0: ⁓ Yeah, give it to her. Fark. She's my mama. Maybe I say that. She's my mommy.

speaker-1: So but wait, you say give it to her, you're you're the one okay.

speaker-0: I say, Whoa, your body, your physique. Or let me dial it in. Mm-hmm. I just thought about my mom. Yeah. ⁓

speaker-1: Okay. Yeah, that's hard to come back from. I mean Yeah. Honestly, mom's stuff's kinda cool for me. I think that's kinda cool, but yeah. That's that's a that's some hardcore level dude stuff. It might be hard to work up to that.

speaker-0: Yeah, sure. We'll get there. Okay.

speaker-1: Right. You what, you overall you did pretty great with that exercise. We're where we counted, you were doing some really good stuff. You're doing good work. We were aligned with the vision of the day, the the vision of your new life. Yeah. Okay, so we're gonna move on to our next section, which is some role play. And I'm not talking about the one I did with my wife, where she's my stepmom and me when I'm me. Okay. So this role play is to prepare this this role play is to prepare you for marriage. Okay. We're gonna pretend that we're at the altar and we're saying our vows. Mm-hmm. You're you. I'm a twenty two year old physical therapist you went to after a skiing accident and now we're married. ⁓ well You don't to really worry about that part that much. Mostly just for me, for my character. I'm twenty two years old, my name's Jennifer. ⁓ Okay. Great and ⁓ we I'm a physical therapist, but we are on the altar. Okay. We're saying our vows. So some roleplay for you and your Bernadine in the future, basically. Wow, this is the happy day of my life. It's what I think a woman would sound like. I don't know.

speaker-0: Right. Great. Great. What'd she say? ⁓ sorry, Jessica. That's okay. I didn't catch it. What

speaker-1: Wow, this is the happiest day of my life.

speaker-0: Me too, Jessica. You look beautiful with your veil. I can't believe your body fits in this dress. You're busting out the seams. That ass

speaker-1: Yeah, these yeah, I have a big ass and my boobs are really big too. Like really big. Medically it's an issue at time.

speaker-0: We can get that figured out girl. We'll take you to the bed and I'll have sex, girl. After this w marriage of course.

speaker-1: I'm so glad we're having this conversation and at the altar.

speaker-0: Sir. There's your mama. Hi. Grandma. Hi mama. I can't believe your body. I've never seen a body. So beautiful.

speaker-1: She's waving. Mm-hmm.

speaker-0: Mm. I split you in half.

speaker-1: Wait.

speaker-0: It spent so bad.

speaker-1: Split me in half with like your with your penis.

speaker-0: Yeah, my massive sword. Split you nap on my sword. Mm-hmm Yes. Yes, my my penis is the sword. Mm-hmm. Sword of the spirit is love to a peace. Mm-hmm. But I love you, Jennifer. Mm-hmm. God, what's your middle name? ⁓ God I never learned that. Cloud Claudia. Claudia. Mm-hmm. Are you from Russia?

speaker-1: Is that a metaphor? Okay. Audio. ⁓ no. I am from ⁓ North Kentucky. ⁓ But I think Russia is a beautiful place with many beautiful practices.

speaker-0: Amazing. Yeah, I agree with everything Russia's everything about Russia.

speaker-1: So my vows to you is that I vow to hold you and love you in sickness and in health. Mm-hmm. ⁓ for richer or for poorer. Mm-hmm. And I promise to always bring you a beer when you're on the couch. And what about yours? What about yours for me?

speaker-0: I promise to listen to you sometimes when I am feeling good. And I promise to never hit you or the kids. ⁓ Good. Yeah. And I promise I I have to drive. You know I like to drive. Okay. So I'll always be the one that drives. Mm-hmm. ⁓ you can have a car, but obviously I wanna drive.

speaker-1: It's good. Okay, you drive my car too, or you have your own car and I

speaker-0: ⁓ my own car. You have your own car. Or when we're together when we're together, I I'd like to drive. Okay. Yeah, that's my vow. Yeah. I'd also like to do stocks. So yeah, just leave that to me, I'll do all the stocks. Yeah. I can handle all that. And any time you need, we can do construction stuff. I've got that. I'm quite handy.

speaker-1: Okay. You know what? I'm gonna stop us right there. That was beautiful.

speaker-0: Thank you. That was great. Thank you. I f I'm sweating. Yeah.

speaker-1: I really felt like I was there. Okay, so do you think that that exercise was maybe easier for you because you were actually talking to a man? Or do you think that you were really able to picture me as Jennifer twenty two year old? Thank you. Yeah, I mean sometimes while I'm clicking around looking for the Peter Griffin impression YouTube videos, I click I click through, I get ⁓ I get the lowest ones. Mm-hmm. You know, so I I feel like I I've gotten better at it, you know.

speaker-0: I really ⁓ saw you Jennifer. I mean it's excellent. Much. I love it. It's fabulous and Jennifer seems amazing. I'd like to marry her someday.

speaker-1: Thank you. Wow, okay. That's really good. You know, I I think that we can move on to a th the third part of our exercises here. Sure. Which are some value chants. So these are basically affirmations for men. So I'm gonna say something you just repeat after me. Okay. Okay. I do not want to finger hole.

speaker-0: I think I would. I I do not ⁓ I don't want a finger hole. Mm-hmm. Right. 'Cause it's guy hole, shit. I have no interest in boys like ass or cheeks or anything. Mm-hmm. ⁓ yeah, I do not want a finger hole.

speaker-1: Well, 'cause you know which one I'm talking about. Guy hole. Just okay. I do want to buy truck nuts. Mm-hmm. Okay, and you actually seem pretty delighted by that. Okay. I do not want to wear something that brings out the color of my eyes. Yeah, you're not really supposed to be doing that. We don't work we don't think that. I had the color of your eyes, quite frankly.

speaker-0: I do want to buy truck nuts. I like the idea of this. is that off the table? ⁓ I do not wanna fuck. I don't wanna wear the color that makes my eyes pop. That everybody loves.

speaker-1: Sort of a gayer way to say it, but Okay, yeah. I do want to see the accountant too.

speaker-0: I do want to see the accountant too. There we go. That was straightforward. Straightforward? I've never seen the first one.

speaker-1: I mean Yeah, it's pretty strange. ⁓ it's pretty much the same as the second one, Ben Affleck, you know. Ben Affleck, Mandamon. But they ⁓ they're yeah, I think so. I'm not really watching it for the plot, I'm watching it 'cause I wanna see I wanna see Man Ben together again, you know. Mat and Ben together again. ⁓ Okay. I do not want to order a salad with the dressing on the side.

speaker-0: Okay. Man Ben together? Yeah, of course. Yeah. I do not want to order a salad with dressing on the side.

speaker-1: Okay, do it again without the finger. The finger sort of

speaker-0: I do not want to order dressing without I do not want to order salad with dressing on the side.

speaker-1: Which is very good. I do want to get a tattoo of a hyper-realistic lion on my forearm.

speaker-0: I do wanna get a tattoo of a hyper realistic lion on my forearm.

speaker-1: Very good. Okay, and how do you feel sitting with those things?

speaker-0: The lion does not concern himself with those things. And the lion loves all the things of of men. Yeah.

speaker-1: Very good. You don't seem well. You don't seem you seem like you're not really believing what you're saying.

speaker-0: I'm okay. Actually I'm getting better. Yeah. I wanna dump this on my head, dump it on my head.

speaker-1: Yeah, you dump a glass of water on your head, very traditionally masculine behavior.

speaker-0: Gatorade if I won the game. Mm-hmm. Spell Gatorade on if I win the game. Mm-hmm. And then we go to the locker room after and we celebrate. Celebrate.

speaker-1: Mm-hmm. do you have any of these value chants you wanna add? Anything that you yeah you want to sort of repeat that you want to do or things you don't want to do, you have something you wanna add?

speaker-0: Stand up for what's right. Lay down never.

speaker-1: Yes, I want to stand up for what's right. Okay, never lay down.

speaker-0: Give below jobs never.

speaker-1: Very good. You sort of took a hard left at the end there, wasn't sure where we were gonna go.

speaker-0: Eat her out? Only if ⁓ only sometimes.

speaker-1: Okay, good. Yeah, you gotta make her work for it. Yeah. Okay. You're getting

speaker-0: Yeah. Always have chicken nuggets on hand. That one's random.

speaker-1: Yeah. I mean, okay, yeah, I feel like that could go that's pretty bad.

speaker-0: Don't kill, obviously. Don't cover another man's wife. Obviously. So we're going to Worship no other god before me, of course. I'd say no idols. No idols. And slurp up all the juice you can. Pussy juice.

speaker-1: Siddles, yeah. Okay. ⁓ We were sort of careening there, but you did stick to landing. Okay. ⁓ do you have any other questions for me? Any other any other curiosities of how to be a better man, how to be how to be more masculine or anything like that?

speaker-0: No, I'd like to apologize for saying pussy juice so much.

speaker-1: Please. One thing about me, you never have to apologize about that. I actually have to go have a stand-up comedy class where I talk about how my ⁓ wife's a bitch because she has a ponytail. But we're gonna see you in six months. Okay. And ⁓ two will check back in with you then. But I believe in your journey, brother.

speaker-0: Thanks. Thanks, kid. ⁓

speaker-1: Welcome back. We're here six months later with the ⁓ wonderful Avery McClure. ⁓ it seems that Avery's been doing a lot of work on his journey towards finding God's light and becoming straight, which is very exciting for us. So Avery, it's so wonderful to have you back. Do you still go by Avery? Have you changed your name at all or anything like that?

speaker-0: I just asked for people to say it a little lower and slower. Avery. Yeah. So good to see ya too.

speaker-1: Okay, ⁓ sort of a Avery. I think that's wonderful. It's really nice to see you. You're looking well. I mean, a lot has changed in the last six months. I heard you're you you you have a new job. What have you been up to? ⁓ my god.

speaker-0: I'm married Guess your name Beatrice Bernadette Beatrice Bernadette

speaker-1: Beatrice Bernadette. Wow, it's like you manifested her out of thin air.

speaker-0: Well, I knew I needed a woman. Uhhuh. So I did what I had to do. Uhhuh. And she lives in Alabama and so do I.

speaker-1: Wow, you both live together in Alabama Mhm. You live together? What's your house look like? What's it set up like? Big ol' house.

speaker-0: Yeah, we live together. It's huge. Toots, it's bigger than I've ever and look, her body her body is vodacious. Mm-hmm. And the pastor I love my pastor. Mm-hmm. And he's strong, but he's spiritually good. Mm-hmm. And we did lose my kid.

speaker-1: Wow, so in six months you did have a kid that was was it a car or was it something different?

speaker-0: Well, it was a car, yeah. Uhhuh. And got hit by a car I don't remember's name.

speaker-1: Okay. And y so that did happen, sort of. You set it up and it did happen. I know Like it was a premature kid who got hit by a car, so the premature kid was in the road.

speaker-0: Doc says my sperm move faster than any he's ever seen.

speaker-1: Okay, so big strong sperm made baby go come out really fast. And did the b how did the baby end up in the road? Was it sort of like delivered a ch

speaker-0: I'll out shoot out the path real fast. It was delivered in the car. Because you know I told Bernardine she can't drive. I said, give me the keys, honey. And she did. And she gave birth. Mm-hmm. And poof. Shot out of the window on a road.

speaker-1: Yeah. just shot right wow, crashed through the window like a bullet. A little little tie straight through. Okay, and so it was a the window sort of scratched it up, didn't die, but died after getting hit by a car. And it's pretty small target to hit, so it was run over.

speaker-0: Yeah. Well we'll talk. And then got hit back home. Exactly. My neighbor Tim.

speaker-1: Your neighbor Tam ran over your premature son who you don't really know.

speaker-0: Tammy ⁓ goes hunting with me, he's a good man. Didn't mean do what he did.

speaker-1: Okay, and how close are you with this Tim? You go hunting together. Mm. Spend a lot of one on one time together.

speaker-0: We're close. We go hunting. Uhhuh. Yeah, we go camping, keep each other warm.

speaker-1: Okay.

speaker-0: When it's cold. It gets cold in Alabama. People don't realize it gets cold.

speaker-1: When you're camping at night, does it I mean it does. And and so he ran over your child by accident.

speaker-0: Well, we'd love to cuddle. Exactly. Tim didn't mean to. No.

speaker-1: So you didn't press charges or anything, nothing like that nothing like that? Okay. Why does Bernadine Bert Beatrice Bernadine feel about that?

speaker-0: never. I would never. Beatrice was she had deep depression for a little bit. Yeah, okay. ⁓ but she's beautiful. So that helped.

speaker-1: Depressed but beautiful. That's the one thing we can hope for in our in our wives.

speaker-0: Nah, I really helped her. Mm-hmm. And church has been amazing. Mm-hmm. Fabulous or ⁓ church has been great.

speaker-1: You know, that's really beautiful what you just did there. I saw that little self censor. Well, you know, you're working really hard, that's what I mean. That's all I'll say about it.

speaker-0: What do you mean? I would said great, I said great, I didn't say anything of I said great.

speaker-1: You're getting you're really aching. Red you got a vein popping out of your forehead. Okay. ⁓ so you're married, that's exciting. You had a child, rest in peace. He's with Jesus now. ⁓ and I believe you started a new line of work. What kind of work have you been doing?

speaker-0: Next topic. I've been working at the tire store.

speaker-1: Wow, tire store sort of a firestone situation. Wow, that ain't nothin' manlier than that.

speaker-0: Actually making the tires. You know I'm doing gaskets. A lot of gasket work. Mm-hmm. And bolts. Wow. Yeah, do fair share of bolts. Bringing the car. I've already made the wheel and I know how to put it on. Mm-hmm. And I tell you what, send you in and out. Quick service.

speaker-1: Bolts and gasket. So that was I can't believe you know your child died by being run over by a tire and you're you know Yeah, and you're there. You're working away building tires non stop. You built Tim's tires? Well, so you built a tire that ran over your premature son.

speaker-0: Isn't that ironic? Yeah, sure did. He came in, I I lubed up his car and threw on the ⁓ lubed up his cr

speaker-1: Yeah. You look like you're kinda re picturing something or lost in thought a little bit.

speaker-0: I looped off off ⁓ What is that noise? That is funny.

speaker-1: Okay, so you took care of Tibbs car, that's good. ⁓ and you're working in the tire shop. Mm-hmm. Is it your tire shop or you're working underneath an abutta?

speaker-0: That's right. It's just me. I'm the main proprietor. I run the I run the thing. Mm-hmm. And again, like I said, no queers. Well no girls. I don't have any girls in there, no queers. Only men. Mm-hmm. Strong, gotta be pass a test. Mm-hmm. I do a test in the office. He pushes me, he pushes me against the wall and I see how it feels.

speaker-1: How many What do you do as the test? What ⁓ how do you test a man's strength? So is it about h his ability to push you against the wall or it's sort of feels internally?

speaker-0: I just know. I can just tell. Mm-hmm. But I gotta get him to push me against the wall. Mm-hmm.

speaker-1: big part of ⁓ building tires. Yeah. Okay. ⁓ that's good. I mean it's good to have a hobby. That's right. Mm-hmm. You're sweating a little bit.

speaker-0: Yeah, yeah. ⁓ come on, you know it's Alabama, ⁓ probably

speaker-1: Okay, so you're do you're building tires and as your day to day. Is that your passion or you have other interests you've been you've been in? I know you said you like camping. What do you do when you're out there camping?

speaker-0: We love to hunt duck. Me and Tim, we duck hunt. That's right. Out in the ⁓ swamps we go out in the little skiff. Just the two of us bundle up in there and just rattling around. Take my twenty gauge. I mean you got all kinds.

speaker-1: Hunting down. That's a real Alabama pastime. Mm-hmm. Taking twenty gauge to to shoot ducks. Wow, so you're you're basic you're bringing down beacon feathers. It's true, you gotta make some mean you gotta make sure it's got beakers.

speaker-0: Yeah. Well you know how high in the sky they are. Boom. To get up there it's gotta be big boom. Mm-hmm. We shoot all kinds of mallards, you know, we got the shovelers, buffal head, ruddy duck, muddled duck, pinwheel. Wow. Cobblecock. Of course. Cobble dock. Mm-hmm. We got the cock, cock. A lot of lot of different ducks.

speaker-1: Okay. ⁓ and these are all based in Alabama, all these and these duc Yes. You're getting really angry. I mean, it seems like a lot of these ducks are from the cock family. You wanna speak more about that?

speaker-0: Yes. Well, it's in the name. Cobblecock is a one of the famous birds. Like I said, pinwheel. Mm-hmm. Penis or

speaker-1: Penis, there's a duck just called penis.

speaker-0: Well I don't know.

speaker-1: Okay. ⁓ you're hunting ducks with Tim. I think that's gorgeous. I mean sounds like maybe there's some unsavory behavior intentionally happening there, but there's nothing fully incriminating that you've said other than saying cock and penis I don't know a dozen times.

speaker-0: You said that. Okay. You said that, not me.

speaker-1: Hey, hey now, no need to get violin.

speaker-0: Hey, I'm just trying to live a happy.

speaker-1: Okay, and I like Gripping the arm of the chair really tight.

speaker-0: There needs to be release. ⁓ huh. Every man needs

speaker-1: Release. And sounds like you get your release by shooting X.

speaker-0: Shooting.

speaker-1: Yeah. Okay. That's good. I mean it sounds like you you have a pretty fruitful life, if I'm being honest. Ever are you okay? You're crying. You're

speaker-0: What is it?

speaker-1: Yeah. Hey listen, ain't nothing manlier than than showing your feelin'. This is how I feel. Yeah, just one you really had to push it.

speaker-0: One single tear. Eke it out, push it out. ⁓ huh. I'll be pushing it out.

speaker-1: Yeah. You only get yeah, one tier a year, really. That's what it sounds like.

speaker-0: Well my dad's g ⁓ good guy, good man.

speaker-1: Your dad's a good man. Yeah. He's been supportive of your journey. How do you feel about have you been reconnecting with him now that you're you're feeling more straight?

speaker-0: Yes, he here. like I said it's ⁓ yes I have. Uhhuh. And I've got, like I said, a house. Told you about that.

speaker-1: Mm-hmm. Got a big house. You're sort of reminding yourself of all the good things you have in your life. Car, wife, big big but wife, yard, breast. Yep. Mm-hmm. ⁓ you have a dog. What's a dog's name?

speaker-0: I've got a daughter.

speaker-1: Okay, you love your dog. Wow. So really you're seeming strong. So you your son sh was sh murdered. Yes. And you have a daughter. What's your not murdered live daughter?

speaker-0: Thank you. Not murdered. Accidental death for the son. Tim.

speaker-1: So right. Yeah, Tim, your camping buddy accidentally ran over a premature baby in the road. Okay. Your daughter what's her name? You name her? Gretchen, that's beautiful name. Very beautiful. She thought she named after anybody in your family? Yeah, there's a Gretchen in there, probably.

speaker-0: Britain? I think in the Bible. Yeah, I th we just figured there was. Mm-hmm. Probably was. Yeah. She must be one. She must be one year.

speaker-1: That's beautiful. How old is she now? Yeah. Yeah, I guess the kids sort of woman's work. You don't really know how old

speaker-0: Sure, I don't follow up on all that. You know, I've got a man cave. Toots, you should come down to that. You and I play darts. Tim is over there jerking er taking darts, and we play pool. The two of us play pool. Yeah, we play pool, crack open a cold one. What no bud light. I haven't forgiven them.

speaker-1: Mm that's not your business. I'd love that. Wait minute. You What what you me playing pool? What's Tim doing? Okay, yeah, you haven't forgiven them.

speaker-0: Tim's in the corner having fun, drinking it over there. And I tell you what, we have a good time.

speaker-1: Okay. I'm starting to think that you might have a sexual relationship with Tim, but I'd be correct in saying that.

speaker-0: Yes. Okay. No. Sorry I said yes. There's no more water. I wanted to tell you about that.

speaker-1: Okay. You know, I understand that things have been particularly difficult when adjusting this change and you know it ain't easy being a man on a journey to straightness. I've done it myself. Sometimes there's temptation, sometimes there's sin, but it sounds like you're saying on the strong and steady best you can. I mean Thanks. What what are your plans for the future? Is there anything that you that you're looking forward to now that you're in your straight life?

speaker-0: Well we wanna try some B D S ⁓ stuff.

speaker-1: Wow, okay. I mean listen, you're married. I think you can do whatever you want with your wife.

speaker-0: ⁓ Yeah, she said she could sh tie me up and do it all good. Yeah, yes. If that's okay.

speaker-1: ⁓ she's gonna tie you up. I mean, yeah, I'm okay, yeah.

speaker-0: Okay. Tim, ⁓ Tim's my man. Yeah what a Tim Well, he's a good man. Mm-hmm. And he's got eight kids. Wow and All alive? Big pain err. we gotta wrap up the interview.

speaker-1: Let me speak to Tim's character a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, okay. You know what before we get, I'm gonna I need to keep my hundred percent success rate. So bef I'm gonna say let's wrap this up. One one question I like to ask my guests is if there's any people on social media or videos that we should definitely avoid.

speaker-0: Avery McClure. Do not search his videos. Many of them are baffling beyond belief. You don't know what his whole fucking deal is.

speaker-1: Yeah, his whole fucking deal's pretty conf I mean, pardon me, I don't normally swear. But you in the case of Everett McClure's Instagram account He's a sinful man. Okay.

speaker-0: Count. But he's a sinful man. And I don't like ⁓ nope, that's everybody.

speaker-1: That's everybody. Okay. Well, it's been a joy to have you on.

speaker-0: Hmm. DJ Masner. Do not search DJ Masner. They are extremely conniving and sexually expensive.

speaker-1: Yeah, that that account is something I've had blocked for a long, long time. I don't need to see any of that. Transgender foolishness, I'll tell you that much. Thank you so much for coming on. And may God bless us all.

speaker-0: Good. Thank you too. Thank you.