Mike Schneider: Welcome to the Two Dads, One Mike podcast. My name's Taylor. This is Mike. And Mike, who is our special guest of this evening? Our special guest is a very old friend of mine. Went to high school with him. His name is Cole Klusner. Right? Clues in there, right? That's how I've always said it. I've never actually asked you. Is it the correct pronunciation? I've never corrected anyone. ⁓ It's because everyone pronounces it a little bit differently. It's Cleesner. I tell people like Kleenex. Yeah, that's fair enough. up so many people's names on a regular basis that I don't. So quick story time before we get into the drinking part of this. My wife and I called our neighbors or neighbor by the wrong name for an entire year. and he never corrected us one time. See, I'd be the guy not correcting him Doug and we put it pen to paper after we had one of our kids and we... was not Doug, it was Jeff. They wrote him a thank you card. The only reason that I found out it was Jeff because I was in my yard doing yard work and all of a sudden a neighbor across the street from Jeff came across the street to Jeff and said, hey, Jeff. I'm like, is this dumbass? It's fucking Doug. And all of a sudden I walk in the house and I'm like, said to my wife, I'm like, hey, know, dumbass over here is calling him Jeff. And she's like... my god is his name Jeff? We actually had to go as far as looking up the tax records to find out was it actually Jeff or not and it was. Did you have to apologize to him? No, no big deal. No you just glossed right over it. I mean if we had been there for a year and it was just you know it was awkward. Yeah if he doesn't correct you for months I don't think you owe him an apology. that's fair yeah right if he really was bothered by it or gave a shit he would be like idiot that dot i don't even know i can't even keep it straight which one it is a bit separate dot because we just called jeff dub now right that i've never i don't think i've talked to more than a wave but that's how we roll that's right that's how we are anyways so as always we do start the show the trick of the show mike what we have we have a special request by Cole himself. We always leave it up, so if it's shitty, it's on you. However, it's not. It cannot be as shitty as the... We had pumpkin beer the other day and it was absolutely atrocious. was spicy pumpkin beer. It was fucking horrible. I'm good with like one of those, but... Have you had the... It was New Belgium? I don't know what it was, but it was dog shit. It was dog shit. It probably Atomic Pumpkin or something like that. It was nasty as shit. But so sorry, I got distracted by how nasty that last week was. War Pigs Brewing? I thought it was a three. It's three Floyd's and War Pigs. ⁓ OK. Are they a joint venture thing? Yeah, for this kind of... So they... And I could be wrong with this too, but a couple of beers so they kind of partner up with this other brewery. OK, cool. Like a special release. Floyd's and War Pigs. Yeah, that's cool. Where's Warpigs out of? Three Floyd's? Isn't that local? Or no? No. I feel like... I really don't know. knew this at one point. Indiana. Yeah. ⁓ That's all right. That works. ⁓ is beer. So it's ⁓ hazy ⁓ Citrus and tropical hop varieties are gathered in masse ⁓ to This delicious Warpig's IPA. 7.3. We're gonna get fucked up. Fucked up. But it's one of my all-time favorite beers. Is it? I love it. I've never even heard of it, so I'm excited. Cheers, boys. Cheers, gentlemen. Cheers. Whoops. It's alright. It's not bad. Ooh, now I can, I'm not generally, like, I don't often pick IPA for myself. Yep, same. It's fair. I also don't, as I get older, I don't pick beers for myself. Okay. I just, I just usually can't drink more than one or two. And see, I'm like the polar opposite. I'm like beer is normally like a safe option for me. Well, safe is you also drop ass and almost suffocate me every episode. Not tonight though. We have a special guest in the house. can't do that to Cole. So you're squeezing it extra hard tonight? I'm pinching my lope. So that's what they call it, whatever. Tighten the sphincter Right before you got here, I text him like, hey, are down. Like, I'm ready. Come over whenever. He's like, right after I'm taking this huge shit. And I'm like, good idea. I should go do that too. So welcome. This might be the best smelling episode we will ever record. Well, thank you. I'm honored. ⁓ You should be. This is big time. Right, exactly. So, Cole, let's get into what you do for a living. But before we get into that part of it, what did you do before you were an artist? ⁓ Okay. Well, I've worked a handful of different jobs, but most of them have been in the financial industry. I was working as a financial auditor for three years before kind of moving into art full-time, which is about the exact opposite of artwork. Okay, okay. Yeah, I feel like that's much more like straightforward. Right. There's no flexibility on shit. No, but I mean, it wasn't bad. I didn't mind it. You didn't like hate Dread every day of it? Well, I'm trying to think now. Susan in accounting over here, god damn it. At the end of the day, it was a job. It paid the bills. It was fine for what it was. was missing that fulfillment. Now, were you always into art? Yeah. So you've always been an artistic individual. OK. Yeah. All right. All right. So like I said, we met each other in high school. Sure. So I didn't realize you were into art. Probably till I saw you doodle here or there in probably a class we had together where I would just see a doodle in a notebook. was like, wow, he's pretty good. didn't realize, ⁓ don't, what was it? Because so funny side story, and you might not even remember this. I commissioned you to draw me and my wife for my wedding gift to my wife. Yeah, I, ⁓ I had, funny were talking. I had just told my wife before coming here. Yeah, you were probably honestly like my first was your first client? Hell yeah, I an actual like I had I think I had just graduated college. It was right around that time. Yeah. Yep. 2010. Yeah. So we got married in 2010. So I would have right around this time. This might be the the 16 year anniversary of me asking you to to do that. What a full circle. Wow. This is fucking my podcast. That's it. Then that's our episode. That's all we wanted. That's all I wanted to bring up. Thank you for joining us on Two dads One mic podcast. No. So like I don't know. I can't remember what like made me have that idea of like, ⁓ he's really fucking good at art. Not just like good is not is. I'm I'm at the level of like going through your website. and your stuff you post on Facebook and just like I'll notice myself being like, all right, fuck you, man. Like you can't this isn't this isn't real. This is what and that's the thing. It doesn't make my mind doesn't comprehend like the last two weeks. Yeah, we were doing our studying and we're like, but then we're texting each other like, holy shit, look at this one. Look at this one. And I think my favorite one was the Vince Lombardi when he was getting held up by his two players. Yeah. And I think that I was like, holy shit, this is really good. Yeah. Yeah. I my The drawing you ⁓ did for my wife for our wedding, if we take a picture and that's in the background, Facebook will tag that picture. Like it will recognize my face and be like, do you know this person? Is this person, you know, Mike Schneider? Like, that you? It's like, well, yep, it is. And that's also a picture of me. ⁓ But yeah, so like, I didn't know you. It wasn't. i knew you from wrestling right you were literally the smallest guy in the team i was literally the fattest guy on the team and every full circle moment again here on the two dads one of my god guests literally the shape i was circle no every day this mofo would come you wrestled 103 pounds right? up until well yeah because i was i think what i do you see here yet you would have been for i was right so i knew you as a hundred three-pound wrestler sophomore year i started wrestling right around 210 215 by senior year i was 260 So every practice, every day in winter, I'd be laying on the mats, because I'm fat and lazy, and whatever, this mofo would come up from the locker room and jump on me, sneak attack, and try to turn me over and pin me on my back or whatever. And it was like a cub, like one of those lion cubs tugging on the lion's ear and like, whatever, dude, what are you doing? He tried so hard, fucking. twist me around. I'm just like, I'm like three times your weight man. Yeah, it was that was like that's how I knew you was wrestling. And then I honestly can't remember the connection that I made. Or if I if you just started posting stuff, you know, once you're in college and like, Hey, I drew this, I drew that. Oh, that's cool. That's cool. Because then you did. Do you still draw at rogues gallery? No, no. You did years ago. I came to watch it once or twice. I mean, I had been doing, or I had been painting there, doing like live painting shows for, gosh, if it wasn't quite 10 years, it was right around there. That's cool. Rogue's Gallery hit us up. I don't know if they're still around. No, they're closed. Okay, great. Fuck you then. So let me ask you this question. So when did you decide like, you're going to wake up one day, quit your job and do like this full time. Because I feel like, like, so we've talked about like taking that leap of faith, right? ⁓ on our podcast and it's like, don't, we've never done that. I think ourselves, because again, we, we know we're in ⁓ a position of like, we have kids and like, we're trying to just manage our day to day, just like trying to survive. like, like what made you like take that leap? ⁓ it was kind of perfect storm of a handful of things. ⁓ cause like I said, I'd, I'd been working in the financial world for almost 15 years. Sure. And yeah, I think it was just kind of my age. ⁓ And also it was like, hey, you know, we're married now, ⁓ no kids. So I'm like, if there's a time to do it, it's probably right now. Absolutely. And you always have the fail safe of if something doesn't work out, it's me and my wife. we can have a discussion and say, all right, I got to go do whatever, like to make ends meet, right? Like, if I were to try to make that decision, my wife would slap me upside the head and be like, are you stupid? We need to feed four ⁓ Well, and that's why I'm saying, yeah, I think if I had those ⁓ responsibilities, I'd be... ⁓ Yeah, I'd be a lot more hesitant. to make that joke. Suffocating, blindfolds. yeah, so it was kind of a combination of just, you know, work was, I was kind of in a lull, or I just kind of felt that way. ⁓ Wash, rinse, repeat, yeah, I get you, I'm sure. It just wasn't doing a whole lot. Actually, around this time last year, I had a contract ⁓ with the brewers. ⁓ shit. And that's kind of what started the snowball a little bit about maybe this could actually go somewhere so is that your who is who is your contact at brewers I I mean he's a guy that works in the marketing department okay Wife's sister works VP of business VP of President of business operations. Schlesinger or whatever. She works with him. Yeah. Don't know. I asked her when you posted that and I like, hey, no, haven't. I'm like, great, cool. So was that Brewer's opportunity, was that kind of like your big moment of like, this is real? Well, kind of. It was kind of one of the... So over the last... 15 plus years. Sure, I've been just kind of doing artwork on the side. Some years I've been a lot more involved with it than others, but yeah, it was just kind of all of a sudden just, hey, you know, if I actually put forth a full honest effort instead of just trying to do it part-time, maybe it could actually evolve into something bigger. Gotcha. Okay. We'll see. I'm still in the... The working phases of it. So when was this official? So I saw your Facebook post late November, maybe around Thanksgiving. right away, I didn't even close. I didn't think about it. I'm like, ⁓ dude, we could introduce you to maybe five people that watch our podcast. Yeah. And you were like, hey, that's five more people I wouldn't talk to otherwise. But right away, was like, ⁓ dude. we had just talked about these leap of faiths, these type of things, and a little bit in regards to what we're doing with this podcast. The only downside to us doing this podcast is that we don't get as much sleep on Friday nights. And we drink a lot on Friday nights. Which we were doing anyway. So let's be real. This is just recording what we were doing. Just doing something different. There wasn't that downfall or any sort of repercussions that could happen doing this. Do you want to share with him what brought on that topic? What you did to bring on that topic? Oh, that's right. It's super deep, profound. So do you know who Frank Caliendo is? He's a voice impressionist. He's been on like, I said to Mike, I'm like, well, I'm going to... I'm gonna slide into this dude's DMs and try to shoot my shot to get him on the podcast. And he's just like, hey, you want to come on our podcast? like, yeah, I guarantee he doesn't even look at this shit. But I said to Mike, I'm like, well, we got to try to do something here because I'm like, I want to start getting people on the podcast and like having guests and doing all this other stuff. I said, well, fuck it. I'll just shoot my shot. And, you know, he never responded, of course. But like, it was one of those moments where I'm like, well, I didn't even think about it. I just did it. And that's how we got on this topic. We've also asked Taylor Swift at one point. Yes, correct. That is in the books. Was that you that asked? Yeah, because after that we're like, fuck it. Who else can we invite? Can I ask, how are you asking people? So essentially we're doing it through TikTok. We're literally DMing on TikTok. Two dads, one mic. Go follow us on TikTok. Subscribe YouTube, like, follow, all that I feel weird saying. Like and follow and subscribe and smash the like We don't have anything to hand out. But, God, like we have really picked up a decent like group of following on TikTok and we have set up guests like via, you know, computer and everything else and in person. And like it's really been a thing for us. And it's like, it's cool to talk to people about what they do and how they experience life and what made them do the things they did and all that stuff. So yeah, that's what triggered our this whole like shoot your shot thing. And like it because then we got on the topic of like we can't, know, we're like, why wouldn't we? There's no downside to asking to sliding in Taylor Swift's DMs and be like. Hey, you want to come on our podcast? It was the worst that happened. She never responds to us, which is what happened. Yep. But there's no repercussion for that. Something like a lifestyle change, like what you are undergoing right now, that's a huge like. not saying it's a it's not a dumb move like what's calling it a ballsy move almost gives a connotation like sounding like it could be a bad idea it's not cuz you're fucking freak with your talents no we will put up some shit no we no i'm not even laughing about this shit my mind can't the way that you paused a fucking freak ⁓ Cole No, he... My mind can't comprehend that the stuff he draws and paints isn't a photograph. the shit's impressive Like, I I tell myself he drew that with his hands or painted that with Like we told you before, we were fangirling over your shit because it's so real and so good that I'm like, how is this even possible? ⁓ You what I mean? Like had a, you put something up on your Facebook page ⁓ ⁓ was like, ⁓ I don't really do landscapes, but here I painted a landscape like a, ⁓ like kind of one of those, like I don't do that. You probably know what picture I'm talking. It's a tree with the sun like poking behind it, right? Like I'm looking at them like there's no fucking way that's painted. No, no way. Colekluesner.com Go visit it. ⁓ legit. ⁓ cracks me up. I am not. a landscape artist at all. ⁓ But people keep so so again to do landscape. How the fuck? So I have my I'm gonna do it. I guess I'll be a landscape artist if you're paying me. That's that's that's what we have in common. That's probably the only thing we got in common is we will whore ourselves out for anything. Yes. Yep. So I do the same just in the art. But it it brings like its own sorts of ⁓ challenges and everything but yeah I've got five questions I got like 12 so okay so right so do you want to cover mediums and stuff like types of art or do you want to talk you want to go down the path of of how it works to commission or if you just make shit and see what people buy like what which path you want we'll go down both of them eventually I mean medium like are you just getting so what material is so like what go through for listeners because we will put will be putting up pieces as we reference them or just once you give me some shit or yeah however that happens once once I go through editing I'm just I'm just it's just gonna start popping up it'll be in front of his face like a naked picture of Mona Lisa will be right here no so do you What mediums do you focus in? ⁓ It's typically acrylic paint and colored pencils. All right. Do you do a lot of like, do those cross over at all or no? Yeah. OK. Most of the time they do. OK. Cool. Do you have like a favorite? that what you do most because that's your favorite to work with? ⁓ You know, I kind Or like, hey, I'm the best at this. I'm going do this shit. No, that's not... You know, so I prefer... So I break it up... ⁓ Jeez. You can see it on the website. So I break it into illustrations versus paintings. So illustrations, I'm drawing more with colored pencils on top of acrylic paints. And then paintings, you know, you're just obviously using a brush painting. Yeah. But I... I kind of keep those two worlds separate. Okay. And usually I favor whichever one I haven't been doing lately. ⁓ okay. So if I just did a commission that I illustrated, maybe I'll try to switch it up and start painting. ⁓ so I don't necessarily prefer one over the other. think I just I need to keep things fresh for me too. I I just kind of stay up on your skill or like just you're kind of your infatuation or your focus. I think it's more so just like if I just did a piece, you know, drawing on top of acrylics and stuff, might want to try something a little bit different for my next piece. I don't want to just always be doing, and that's kind of why you see my style change. Yep. Because I get bored with my own art, if that makes sense. I could stare at this shit for days. While Mike's looking over that. How do you, I don't even know how to word this, how do you get jobs? Well, I'm still working on that. Okay, okay. So like on your website though, I've seen sponsorships and are like working with different organizations. So how does all of that come into play? So it's all, I wanna say nine times out of 10, every now and then you get lucky and someone reaches out to you. Like someone who has a very fine eye for good art. Do you this podcast? usually don't get that. So usually I'm trying to reach out to That must be only because people haven't seen your shit. Colekluesner.com Colekluesner.com. Go visit. Thank you. We're going to put his website, it's just going to be posted over our faces. Perfect. We're going put it in the comments. Yeah, right over our ugly faces. Nobody wants to see that shit. ⁓ But yeah, it's a lot of kind of what you were saying about like reaching out to different people and getting them on the show. I do the same thing with clients. slide into DMs too? I slide into I thought we were the only ones that did that. No, and I get ghosted constantly. So you have a piece, is it still hanging up in Fiserv form? So what is that? What location and what piece is it? So I believe it's outside of Suite 34. So I will be going to the Bucks game on Tuesday, so I will be looking for this. It's you and suites. Maybe. don't know. Yeah, it's on the suite level. So they their their entire suite level is basically an art gallery. It's actually really cool. And I think that they feature I think it's almost 30 different artists. Some of them are internationally known to so they're like It's really cool walking through Fiserv forum we're taking this shit global is what you're trying to say to me right now. yeah. We have a large, ⁓ it's not large. We have a steady Don't downsize what large is, all right? Well, percentage-wise, 20 % of our consumption is in France. Really? Yep. I think about 6 don't know why, but it is. But yeah, we have a little bit in Hong Kong. uh... okay a couple other weird ways we are also just as good random actually really cool yeah it's we on the and we can show you all the the analytics and stuff it breaks down yet watching what and all that so it's i could get lost in analytics so i got all day i think it is a certain point like you have to really just Embrace that and yeah, maybe fly out to France. That's Well ⁓ road trip to France, yeah, we're gonna start a go fund me we will get five dollars to bro. That's trying to go to France I still won't go to France It would be pretty cool. It would be badass somebody if we go there. We'll invite you out there You'll come with us. We could do another another recording out there. I'll do my own separate go fund me could you could paint in the background. I could like the Eiffel Tower and shit like do real like real shit and we'll just comment. Well, we'll start. got guys out there. We'll people walking by and we're like, hey, motherfucker, have you seen this guy? Check him out. I don't know. I might be like, yeah, well, they have other artists probably doing that same thing. Probably not. not like I don't know maybe well now I'm like us yeah but I don't do landscape I don't do landscapes but this only thing like us it's a fucking photograph man there's no way that's god it drives me nuts it drives me nuts I don't landscapes drive me nuts too I'm telling you they're just bitching old time I a fucking landscape at least they're paying me I just did a it was a Zelda landscape ⁓ yeah, yeah. Did you post that one or a similar one? I just posted it. Maybe a week or two ago. That was another one where I'm working on it and I'm like, why are people hiring me for this? ⁓ I mean honestly, I do portraits. ⁓ But you get, know, everyone reaches out to you at some point and it's like, hey, you know, I really want this landscape. It's like that's not really what I specialize in. But for you, I will. Yeah. But for you, are you like, we'll call it a day. So I'm I'm a mechanic by trade. I've also like I finished this basement. So like so my but not this bathroom, this, but this is going to be a bathroom someday. The shitter you're going to you're like sitting on the shitter. That pipe there looks great. Thank you. I've been working hard. Yeah. and not doing anything in this room. But, so like, my joke is like, if we get a quote for something or this or that, other thing is like, ⁓ this is really high. It's like, yeah, because I don't want to do it. Do you do that with like, well, how much would it cost for me to have you paint this landscape and you immediately double it? Yeah. But, so, but, there's like. You were like weren't proud of it, but I can't not lie, because why wouldn't you? No, but there's more that goes into it, of course. I'm sure. It is just, if it's a landscape, I know it lot less. I know how to approach the painting a lot less. I don't know a better way to word that. doesn't sound right. No, well, because like... So it ends up taking more time. Like if you take, you do layers, have to do certain colors, certain things before other things. Like, um, I get that side of it in terms of your approach. Like you're, you might do something and be like, Oh shit, I didn't do this layer of the paint. Well, it can even be like, so faces, you know, I know exactly how they're made up. I, I get the shapes. I like the shapes. know how to. a and a mouth. Right. And I feel like I know how to like start stretching some of that to make it more abstract or make it more artsy. But landscapes, I don't have that kind of background in. So I'm a lot less confident with them. So it takes me a lot more time. And that's why they, it's not just a blanket. I don't want to do it. It's going to be about 10 grand. But it is like, well, I will do it, but it is going to Probably take this long. Here's the price. I'm looking at. Yeah, you're comfortable with it We'll move forward with it So is that is that something when if if someone were to come to you and say hey draw this landscape or portrait or whatever? Is that price agreed upon beforehand or do you give them a ballpark or like say hey I'm thinking this but if this happens it might be more like you want this nostril hole to be more rounded This is how much extra it's going to be for ⁓ this. mean, every so this is going into your commission. ⁓ yeah. Yeah. so the way that I kind of structured pricing, yeah, I'll give them a kind of a quote up front. ⁓ So I'll get the idea from the client. And yeah, there's more that goes into it just where like, I'll have to ask, okay, what size are you looking for? What style are you looking for? Color black and white. And all of this is to just basically gauge how much time is this gonna take. ⁓ And then I build my price from there, but I always try to come in like, okay, if there are gonna be revisions, that is gonna cost more. ⁓ So it depends. It depends on the job, ⁓ because some like, I just finished a commission piece actually this week, ⁓ and they gave me total creative freedom. So if I'm getting something like that, I'll be a lot more lenient on the price. ⁓ yeah. I'm not saying I'll just, you you get what you get. Of course I'm not going to do that. But if you're giving me the freedom, then I don't have to overthink things and I can just kind of do what I want. Follow what your hands are going to do. So on average, how long does it take you to make a piece? ⁓ man, they fluctuate. ⁓ I'd ballpark. Like if you were doing something like this size behind me, like on this drop bag. probably anywhere. mean, style changes everything. Maybe 10 to 25 hours. OK. It's not anything like insane. No, sure. But you're still spending a decent amount of time to make this. You what mean? Yeah. Yeah. OK. Would you be able to take big piece of paper draw like a stick figure and just sign your name so we can have some of your art back here. All right sweet. ⁓ So when you're in New York in like 10 years be like hey we know this guy this is what he did for us. It's like did you hear about this with the ⁓ Olympics over in ⁓ Italy there's some artists out there five four or five years ago who literally sold an imaginary sculpture for seventeen thousand dollars. No. Yep. I heard it. I heard it on WTMJ on the local radio, like the news radio. I generally trust their ⁓ fact finding and verifying. Someone bought it for $17,000. It's like a five, like five by five square. it's, the artist is like, you, can be, take whatever shape you want it to be. And like, how high on shrooms do you have to be to do that shit? Like look at this tree, it's fucking real. You can make it not real though. Yeah. mean, so there, yeah. Or it could be a hot dog or it could be like, it's literally air. Yeah. The art world is hilarious because there's stuff that I see like that. There was one, and I'm going to botch this story, so don't fact check this, but- We are all about botching stories. There was- Accountability. There was an artist, maybe he was from Europe. ⁓ even think of the guy's name but ⁓ it was something like he was hired and paid $80,000 to do this painting and he ended up gifting not gifting but he ended up delivering a blank canvas and he said you paid me 80,000 this is the artwork the art is blank and I'm like I don't get it that's not but at the same time that dude is running home with 80,000. If I don't see Roy G. Biv on my goddamn thing, I'm going to be pissed. I want colors. can do it with your fingers. I don't care, but I need colors on this goddamn At least put something on, like one smear of color. Roy's ass better be on my canvas. Yeah. That's wild. And I get like, make light of it. But art is truly in the eye of the beholder. So if that's something in that someone is gonna pay eighty k for yeah they considered art great sign your name in the bottom corner and be done and all that ⁓ what do you have a lot of time i get oh contrare mon we are not doing it but that i gotta make landscapes guys you don't understand how are we going to make landscapes but yet it is that i'm not someone commissions you for landscape Just say, look, it's a complete whiteout blizzard. Here you go. Oh you could put that on your website, colkleazer.com. An abstract. It's abstract. You could make it literally just a white canvas. An abstract landscape. We will be your hype man slash idea guys all the way till we make it all to France. Done. All right. Deal. That's it. This is how contract works. We're now legally bound. It's recorded, so you can't go back. It'll be on YouTube, so it's true. Some of that artwork though, it drives me nuts, but sometimes I can't tell if it's like, is it jealousy? Am I just jealous that I didn't think of that? Delivering an $80,000 on a blank canvas But I also think there's a part of it where- If I could do nothing and get $80,000 but someone else did it instead of me, I'd be a little jealous. But I think you're also, there are people that actually do this that love to do this, and there's people like- make white canvases. And I think that there's, this really bothers me that that's a thing. I would tell you, but like you put a lot of effort and time into doing what you do and it shows, right? And I feel like some of these people probably don't do that because it's all metaphoric. You know what I mean? Where it's like, look at this white canvas or look at this, look at this blank, you know, sculpture. Make it whatever you want in your mind. mean, but like you said, it's in the eye of the beholder. I try my best not to, I don't know. I don't want to smack talk any other artist. We will smack talk But at the same time, it does get to a certain point. A blank canvas, come on. You gotta scratch your head a little bit. Yeah. There are some things, but yeah. So, Coles, we have a fun new segment here called Wisconsin Er No. And essentially what that is, is that Mike and I each week, we, you know, switch off, we will give each other facts, we will quiz each other, and you have to guess, is that thing or things from Wisconsin Er No? And so, Mike, lead us off. Do you want to participate? I think you should. you're going. Sorry. I love to. This is cold week, so you need ask questions. Can I say no? Yeah. I'm just going to sit here and look pretty good. say er-no. No. All right, so I have five questions. Taylor set the bar very high. He gave me multiple choice last Multiple choice. And I said, fuck you, I'm never going to put that type of effort in. The first week I literally just looked up like a DUI story. Shortly before you got here today, Mike then did his Wisconsin segment. Yeah, Wisconsin or No. Yeah, a dude up in, I forget what, Barron's County or something like that. Like, it was cold in October, like around Halloween. Yeah. It was cold for a couple nights. He got his DUI with his Silverado and ice shanty. the roof on the lake that wasn't frozen yet but he was drunk enough that he thought it's been cold I'll pull my shanty out on the lake on like October 27th. sounds insane. I love ice fishing. Yeah I do too. I'm not doing it in October. No no no one is and that's probably a key point as to why he got a DUI. So I guess, was it Wisconsin? Yeah, that was in Wisconsin. It wasn't a very tricky one. That was our first one. I guess. Yeah, Michigan, could be the UP up there. That's not that different. All right, so these things, there's one that's like a give me. Boo. I'll let you. Trying to. Yeah. He's got his phone out. I got my phone right here. You want to look at He's been looking at our questions all night. So I'm going to. kind of rephrase these because these all say exactly where they're from right in the first sentence. I'm going to give you an artist. think they're all artists or or or something like that. They either have a tie to Wisconsin and there might be trick one or not. You're curveballing it here. I am. I'm trying to set it going to expose me for being not what are you what are you don't even know this you only do landscapes what the fuck what did we bring a landscape artist in you don't know jock from france come on now all right question sorry all right i need to be right there yeah do it do it ⁓ all right so which iconic american gothic painter was often referred to colesgrim is gothic to me so yeah makes sense as the moody painter of chickens. ⁓ Does he have choices to go over that? Or am I just I know just just like pull guesses. So no. So his name his name was Grant Wood. ⁓ yeah. American was he was he? Wisconsin was he from was like was he from Wisconsin or no? Taylor, I'm going to say yes, Wisconsin. He was born in Cedarburg, Wisconsin. No, he was not. No, we have to fact check that. No, don't. I Googled it five minutes before you got here today. that's me being embarrassed that I don't know. No, we will, I'll fact check. We had a whole. AI is coming up. We had a whole Olympic episode. You don't need to fact check that. Like, it's not going to get that wrong. I thought you were going to. thought you were gonna say, no, dude was born in Nebraska. You Yeah. We had a whole Olympic episode. 1847, there was no way. I don't have that knowledge. Right. We had a whole Olympic episode. I guessed everyone wrong and they were majority from Wisconsin. So don't feel bad. I just listen. It's again, my super duper prep of like, I'm gonna look up Wisconsin athletes from Wisconsin. Four years of college, like, college art history classes and they were horrible. They were horrible. I hated art history. I I love learning about the history, but the actual courses and exams were horrible. I would think it'd be very difficult to learn about art history in ⁓ an academic setting that would be like exciting. We would be quizzed on like what year was the, you would have to know what year it was made. like what difference does that make? Yeah it was done in the 70s. No that wasn't 1849 it was 1846 you son of a bitch. Perfect. Yeah anyway sorry. How could you get that wrong? You can tell clearly by the number of rings in this Japanese maple that it is clearly 647 years old not 643. You should have known that. Idiot. No wonder you are horrible artist. It's not true. He is a great artist. colekluesner.com. All right. right. Question number two. Let me make sure. This is this might be a gimme. Which famous American artist and architect known for the Falling Waterhouse established his studio and home in Spring Green, Wisconsin? That's not Da Vinci. No. ⁓ When you started off with artist and architect, that's where it went Who's the Campbell Soup Guy? ⁓ that's Warlock. Yeah, him. That's my vote. He's from Wisconsin? His studio... So this gentleman I'm talking about... Yes, Andy Warlock. He's an ⁓ artist and architect, probably more known for his architecture around these parts. Around these Establishes studio and home. What is it called? Who's known for their architecture? Taliesin? Taliesin? Franklin, Well, not Frank. Not necessarily. This is all of Wisconsin. It could be Madison, Wisconsin. You said around here. Wow. This says in spring. This says in spring green, Wisconsin is where he set up his home. All right. Who he wasn't. I don't know that he was born here. Frank Lloyd Wright is my vote. I have no vote. It's Frank Lloyd Wright. that's I got no vote. I'm a very artistic individual here. He is very artistic. Well done. That's the only, if someone said architect in Wisconsin, said around here, I'm like, that's Frank Lloyd Wright. That makes sense. I don't really, I didn't know he was also an artist. I guess you could. you could paint any architect He always had the weird houses. I know he was famous for his architecture around these parts. Alright, this is another name dropper. ⁓ I'll make it easier. I'll give you the name and you have to tell me if she was born in Wisconsin or not. Okay. Known for her colorful large scale flower paintings and landscapes with a theme of the show ⁓ of the Southwest with which famous artist. ⁓ hold up. Fischer-Prott. She's burning hot now. Was, so, was the famous artist... Georgia O'Keeffe, born in Wisconsin, er no? er no. Georgia O'Keeffe? I want to say no. But I have no was born in Sun Prairie, Wisconsin. She was not. You can go S &D, because that's not true. Georgia O'Keeffe? This could be a wildly outlandish AI. Let me just Google this. Hold on. That's fine. You Google it. If I Google anything, it's going to kick me off of this, and I'm going to lose my shit. that's how that's well he's going that we could all we could either stare at him only does that and finds an answer or i think i could read you the next question which would you prefer call please nerd at com mix of both who was there and i think it's just a good thing so deep into so the question and for a she's from some prior wisconsin yes socket look at georgia that's actually pretty insane r i p There's a lot of cool people that have come out. Like, I've always thought of Wisconsin be like, no, nothing cool happens in Some stupid-ass old person came from Wisconsin. And there are a handful of pretty cool people. Yeah, I mean, I'm pretty cool. You're pretty cool. You're pretty, Taylor, eh. It's questionable. Willem Dafoe? He's from Wisconsin. Yes, he is. Hashtag people forget. Hashtag people Willem Dafoe is pretty cool. Yeah, that is kind of sweet. Yeah, sorry. All right, we're getting sidetracked. is you fit. You fit in too well with us that you just follow our tangents and down our rabbit. This is perfect. All right. Alright, this building... Oh god. Wilder also from So much architecture. I'm not good with architecture. That's fine. Um... Oprah Winfrey? I haven't been good with the artists either. Sorry. Oprah Winfrey had a cabin up by my aunt and uncle's place overlooking a bluff of D'Orphone. Yeah, was wild. It huge place. You could barely see it through the trees. Her mom? Oprah. mom owned a place in Wisconsin? Door County, Wisconsin. Her mom lived in Milwaukee, correct? Is this correct? Oprah? Yeah. think her You're looking at me like I know facts about Oprah? obviously know facts about Oprah because she, her I know my aunt lived like a block from her up in Door County. That's facts. That's facts. That doesn't mean I know about Oprah. I never met her. Oprah lived in Door County? She had a house and I don't think she lived there. And by house, mean like... still having a house in It was probably the size of the high school. Yeah, It was huge. Over, like a bluff overlooking Lake Michigan. Like, you walk off that cliff, it's 150 feet down. I mean, guess I can believe it, but that's still pretty I'll put it this way. What will make that believable? My parents have a cabin up in Door County. Unbelievable. They're neighbors. So my grandpa built it back in the day, right? So like, it's in the family. That's probably the only way we can afford to be there. The neighbors sold their place next to my parents, which is a little cabin, three season cabin on Inland Lake in Door County. So not on Lake Michigan, Inland Lake. For $1.4 million. So if you have a mansion, and I mean a fucking mansion on a bluff of Lake Michigan and Door County, when you comparatively figure out how much that would be, makes it, okay, Oprah might be the only person that could be able to afford that shit. Do you think Oprah's single? Just asking for a friend. What the fuck? She's asking for a friend. She's curious. Are you gonna slide into her DMs? We should do that. Get her on the podcast. I'm not joking. mean, listen. Oprah, have you ever been on the other I think my wife would understand if Oprah Winfrey was single and I tried to make a move on Oprah. There's a long game here, okay? This is wild. That conversation of like... it's... It's Oprah. It's Oprah. It's Oprah. We all make money in this. know what mean? Everyone wins. That came out of left This was the banter that Mike was telling you about Yeah, this witty banter that We kind of just go off the tracks and we're just done. I didn't realize you lived next to Oprah. Yeah, I didn't. It was my aunt. OK, well, that's still relations. was like a block away. It's not like... I grew up summers in Oprah's backyard. You practically did. like you did. You practically did. I grew up vacationing in Door County with Oprah Winfrey. Were you ever at your aunt's house up in Door County? Yeah. So then you practically lived with Oprah. Pretty much. Yeah, we can deduct. Be like, Jane, are you? carry the one. Right, correct. Be like, are you sure you're my mom? Because I resemble Oprah. And I'm pretty sure she's been single for most of her life. I'm sure. This all makes sense. It's not positive. We can fact check that because it came up that we need to get... Ancestry DNA. Well, what? You did some of that shit. I did. are what percent? What are you from where? 1 % Senegalian. Yes. And... So he has tapped into that, those roots, very hard lately. hit him, correct. Then all of sudden I realized that majority of my family, when they came over on the boat, decided that they wanted to camp up in Kentucky and West Virginia. So I got a lot of good things going for me here. No comment. Correct. Very awkward silence, huh? Can't you tell it's fun? That's another pisser pot. ⁓ shit. It kicked on. This is why we did jello shots once for a drink of the show. Practically pissed my pants. Yep, it was bad. Actually really funny. what flavor jello straws cherry or... stronger they were ready to do it here at the red water i don't remember that it was a lot of color sorry what's the red we made we made on four so the first episode we ever recorded we call it the macula conception He was, we were explaining like the drink of the show and we're like, ⁓ it could be this. could be like, cause honestly, like, and you know, from our talks with you, ⁓ preparing for this, we, nothing good, nothing good for me. No, like it was like, dude, cause a little part of me wants to respect anyone who chooses or, or, or needs to not drink alcohol. right so i want to keep them in the in the forefront like i don't want to force like i don't want to make it awkward like well we don't have a good show cuz whatever you know like also we have seven kids between the two of us so if i don't have time to go get shit can we just talk about how the fact i thought coal has been sitting crisscross applesauce this entire time hell yeah oh no it's one leg under i think for a while i was oh shit all right My hips would blow out if I did that. I don't think I could get that right now. I don't know. No, but so I don't even know where it was. Fuck it. Question four. What was I talking about? Bringing people on, maybe alcohol isn't their drink Oh, no. So yeah, we kind of said, we might not have time. I might not have beer in my bar up there. might not. I mean. come to think of it, I always have alcohol. need another beer. You need another one? Yep. pisser pot. Um, we also like, we didn't exclude, you know, a Capri Sun or a Gatorade. We had hot water one time. We ever released that episode. So look out for us being our Chinese baddies. Um, do it, be in our best self. Are you still drinking hot water often? I am. Okay. Yeah. Both. Interesting. Three days a week. There you go. This is. Sorry, can you enlighten me on the hot water? Yes. So TikTok, we all got stuck up on the Chinese baddie trend. And by we, he means him. Correct. Somehow my algorithm picked that up. And so you can see the resemblance. Yes, And so in Chinese medicine, they drink hot water because it's supposed to be good for your digestive system. Well, he needs a lot of help there. because you i got that the problems and uh... i was as a big attitude going so it's for health so like so with just keep water and drink hot water and so cold water but you have a lot of questions i got out here they care you're trying to figure out which ones and i'm trying to like mentally out why this uh... do you might create the water see if the boil the water boiling He got his own fucking electric kettle for this shit. I actually did, yes. He is into it. like a medicinal difference between microwaving and just drinking? So technically, to my understanding, the microwaving is not, like it does not boil the contaminants out like it's supposed to, compared to like an electric kettle. So the microwave actually boils the... would like to have a discussion about this. I mean because I saw on YouTube once yeah, I you can microwave it, but it's a requirement the explanation it was ⁓ Neil deGrasse Titan Tyson and s deGrasse or whatever yeah physicist Explaining how microwave works, and it's really it sends microwaves through objects, and it creates the water molecules to just vibrate back and forth until they create enough friction to heat up. So you're not like the joke of like, I'm going to nuke it. I'm going to do like, you're not changing anything. You're not adding or anything. You're literally heating up the water with by the on the molecular form. The fact that you can say those words right now is really impressive. It was a struggle if you couldn't tell. Molecular. No, so like water at boiling temperature is water at boiling temperature. It doesn't matter how you get there. We could record a third podcast episode just on this topic. Should we do it? You want to start drawing a landscape while we do this and then we'll talk behind you? No. You can draw over this background. We will let you do that. ⁓ I am curious though. About what? But what, Yeah, we're just going to stare at you until you say something. I'm curious. like the hot water. Yes. So what is it? What's the benefit? So OK, so think about it like this. If you have hot water the first thing in the morning, right? Essentially what you're doing is is that hot water is taking the shit that could not flush out your system. And it literally is supposed to help grab all the junk. and flush it out the system because it's hot. So when I can't flush my shit, got to get the poop knife to break it up. It's not like it's cold foods. So essentially, Chinese medicine, cold foods and cold drinks are frowned upon because it's not good for your digestive system because it slows down your digestive tract compared to warm water or warm food. So if you're going to clean something, you have a stain on something? Yeah. Are you going to turn on the hot water or the cold water? Exactly. you use hot water, that makes sense. That was how we explained this PM. Like, well, that actually is very reasonable. It makes a lot of sense. You're going to clean with warm water to get the germs off. Or like if you wash your hands, same concept. And also, generally, and I don't like to stereotype. Like, I consciously try not to stereotype. But if there is a culture that consistently looks better than the culture that I live in at 90 years old and they have tricks that they've been using for thousands of years, it might be worth looking into. Like I look like a pile of shit. You do. Compared to like a 90 year old Chinese grandma. Cole text me that actually when he showed up. Oh my god, who the fuck is this guy? for the record i did not text that shit out like that alone is like isn't the the average like life expectancy in the u s like seventy something and like china japan is way higher yeah that's what i'm saying like they're doing something right i think it's eighty five in japan and china Yeah, like it is not just by looks, but like... huge, like percentage-wise, that's actually pretty We could dive in. Do you want to be a weekly guest? We just dive into all sorts of random-ass topics like this. Yeah. We aren't above or below having people on multiple times. I mean, it is... We'll see you next week. Actually, actually you do need a host for next week. A guest host. and for free. He's ditching me next week, so... More than welcome. uh... for a conference you're going to be all work conference yeah yeah probably not a party conference i don't know if i've heard of one of those you never know it's going to be a awesome conference I'm sorry, going to Connex, are you? No. Okay. No. That's out in that area, too, next week, I think. Did you get to question four? No, I haven't gotten there yet. We still got two- No, don't apologize. This is- This is what This is exactly the off-the-hinge shit that we are dying for. All right. So. Alright, I gotta figure out how to... Alright, so which famous building... ⁓ we're back into architecture. Yeah, this is where we were. And then we got sidetracked on six different things. Count them. Which famous building is known famous for its wings, the Quadracy Pavilion that opened and closed designed by? The art museum. Yes. That was at the Gimmie. As soon as you said the wings. Well, the Frank Lloyd Wright was, but that's almost more of a Gimmie. That's the Gimmie. Yeah, that's a Gimmie. The art museum, I haven't been there many times. I have a odd story about that. Part two. Cold Cleasers. Coming up soon. Me and my wife went to a art in the dark or something. They have a series like where they have late hours in the art museum and you can go through the museum and they have special exhibits and stuff like that. Growing up I went to the art museum twice a year. I went to an arts school through middle school. Elementary and and middle school. I went to ⁓ creative arts in downtown, Milwaukee and so like the art stuff fascinates me because I've been surrounded by it until I went to Franklin I didn't go to I didn't go to high school here till Till fresh like I didn't go to any schools here till freshman year. So I like I was I was all up in the arts So this is why this is I was so excited. I can't. I'm not talented. I was all up in it. So I draw a picture right now. Get your fucking crayons out. Right here. Let's see your best Japanese maple Yes. No. So I I did. I played violin, cello and bass. It's like what in the world? when you're into that. I love music. Like, love music and have a respect for anybody in the artistic field. And we do a lot of talks about youth sports, sports in general, because it's what we enjoy, what we consume a lot. But I always make sure I tie in the arts because that's just as much of a commitment, whether it's physical art, painting, drawing, that stuff, ⁓ music. theater acting like I was in musicals through high school like all that stuff not at Franklin not at the high school but like at the church whatever so like was I? I was way off the hinge on that shit. You've been around to art games. Yeah. What the fuck? But there was something else I was talking about. It's gone. It's fucked. This beer is sitting in this 7.3 percent. Sembong 3. Cole's like, yeah, that'll happen. Yep. So, yeah. No, so we used to go. I just got back on track. I used to go to the art museum a ton. Hashtag ADHDs. This is most of our podcast. So I used to go to the art museum all the time. So I was very familiar with it until they redid it. Then I was out of the setting where I would go yearly, at least yearly. Right. So me and my wife went back. We got tickets to the art after. Oh, that's a pisser pot. Pisser pot. We went. Went back to art after dark. Go through, watch some of the or look at some of the art and stuff and and go inside the building probably for the first time since they redid it with the wings and everything. ⁓ It's a beautiful building. ⁓ There's also like belly dancing. it's not a display no it was a burlesque show going on so the theme was France this is all coming fucking back in circle here it was France so like it was a French so there was a burlesque show going on okay at one point there was this chick and it's my like it's one of those like as as much as I say like I went to art schools and like like was very immersed in the shit I don't think me and my wife were ready for what a burlesque show was. your relationship leveled up then? Yeah, it leveled up for sure. So it was essentially like a cross between belly dancing and stripping. They were taking off shit left and right. And at one point, this chick was down to booby tassels and that's it. She had like a skirt on. Booby tassels. Titter tassels, huh? Barely on there. And the only thing I remember Because me and my wife looked and cringed at each other like, shit, I think we need to go. She held up her hands like this and started whipping them around. them, I mean her boobs. Just the tassels, she's just going like this. And we're both like, what the? What the fuck? We need to clip this part of the episode, But you know what, it's funny, it was from that day that I knew I needed to go to France. Well, it then we created this podcast so we could have a vessel to get over to France. It was funny when Mike was telling me the story. He's like, you know, it was weird. I actually walked by this painting of a blunt that was Dave Chappelle and I was like, ⁓ my God. And then all of a sudden he's like, I also started doing this with my titties. the thing is that I can do that. That's the that's the fun artifact. wasn't the right word that I wanted to use there but question five for Wisconsin er no. This is what we do. All right. I just did so suck it. I mean I have to keep like We go off the hinge black out the booms flopping. ⁓ no, sorry It was wild every once in a me or my wife will just start doing that and then we were done whatever we're in the middle of it's we're out it's hilarious that you can see that and be like That's our sign. We should probably get out of this is as much culture as we need I think we should go Sorry. So this artist, Dr. Evermore, Tom Everie. is known as an artist for his unique whimsical and often dark sculptural works created from recycled materials, notably creating the Forevertron in Baraboo. is is he from wisconsin i didn't read i read the first half of the question yes ⁓ still said no i ⁓ take a wild guess i don't know of too many international artists that are featured in Baraboo ⁓ want to say Wisconsin. You got that right. I'm not positive. You got that right. This is what this podcast does is make you question everything you've ever known. And I'm one for five. That's great. that one. When I give you the answer, you got it nailed down. Do you have any other questions? I cover? I have any, I gotta look at my notes to see if I covered what I wanted to. I think so. I think we have enough to go to two episodes. So if you are interested in getting something drawn out or... If you want one of your plants drawn or rock drawn. Yes. Maybe your backyard. Cole is your guy. Colekluesner.com is there any other avenues we can find you? That's a question. Facebook, any other social media stuff. That would be tied to you or just website. Type my name into Google, you'll be able to find me. It comes up very quickly. Facebook, Instagram, Google. I have my own website. If you Google my name, you'll find me. Great. Do you have any last words you want to say? Like, what the fuck did I just get into? I mean, you can. We're going to hold you to a stick figure drawing to put in the back produce the stick figure drawing. no, it's been really nice. I appreciate catching back up. Like I said, we're old high school friends. We haven't talked to each other. Like, I reached out to have you draw that one picture for my wife for our wedding. Like 15 years ago. Yeah, we just celebrated 15 years this past summer. we're like I said, we're coming up on 16 years. That's another one. You know, it was kind of funny. You mentioned Brown earlier. Yeah. Yep. And I don't mean to take this a rogue direction. No, please do. I actually just went to the Franklin High School, had like an alumni night. Oh, yeah. And it was Papenfus, his last. Oh, was that his last? Oh, man. Or it was his last. I think he had a know he's retiring this year. Yeah. But I wanted to go there for that. And it was just bizarre. Like reliving some of that wild coach Brown was on the mic. I bet you he was there. Yeah. Yeah. Man, he cracked me up. So he's wild. So like so coach Brown was our wrestling coach. He just retired. He just finished his last season as head coach of the football team. Did he? Yeah, I didn't know that he was head coach for years. years and years, just retired, multiple state champions has built that program from where it was when we were in high school, which was pretty respectable. and even the wrestling program he transformed, I mean, he basically brought the entire wrestling, tells you what kind of coach he was. He brought the wrestling program to the state level too. Yeah, the, our, My senior year, your junior year was the first year we went to Team State. I went again my senior year too. like he's an amazing influence and I don't think I realized it quite until recently like, he was literally the one we just, did we release that episode? I forget what episode we just released about role models. I that's the one I just released this week. that professional sports role models and all that stuff. But then also, then once you get into high school, your role models transform from pro sports people to your coach that you have or whatever. And that one man was leading me 75 % of my high school career. right like and as i think about that like holy shit that's like he's he's an amazing dude should be celebrated in every way he can be also happen to use yet you mentioned was a european greco champion i'd a wrestle that motherfucker every fucking day so in the world of wrestling we're going way off the fucking beaten path now world of wrestling there's the WWE, which we were talking about earlier, which is fake as shit. Then there's Mike and Iliotard. Then there's me and Iliotard, not knowing what the fuck I'm doing. In high school, there's lots of rules and whatnot. What you can do, can't do, where you can put your hands, all that stuff. One of the most purest sports, I think, of just playing athletic ability and determination that there is. There's no other object to to control other than the other person. It's mano v mano. That didn't come out right. wasn't. It sounded like said mayo. Like mayonnaise first. no, so. Mayo y mayo. Greg Pabenfuss is one of the assistant coaches, wrestling coaches. And he was a Greco world champion. Greco is a style of, of wrestling that is all throws. So like I. I and many of the other big dudes were too fat to like shoot down and like get down on the mat to go get and grab the other person's leg. So you would kind of lock up because you're fat and lazy and then try to get in position to throw them like over your shoulder and like body slam them on the mat. That was mainly what I tried to do. This mofo was a fucking European champion. Like not like I was champion in like eighth grade. He was like a grown ass man champion. And dude would be like, all right, you ready? And then just throw, I'd be in the air like seeing my life flash before my eyes, floating for five seconds and then like slam to the mat as hard as I could. And then he would give you the people's elbow. Almost. Just like Dwayne. wouldn't need to. Dwayne The Rock Johnson. But if you knew the guy too, like he is the kindest. gentlest man like he was a teacher but he would fuck your shit up yeah yeah if he would but yeah like but then he would console you yeah you're gonna be all right and you'll learn from this broken rib you have is all right you'll be fine don't tell your parents it's okay get over it he he is but no he was such a He was just a really great coach. ⁓ he was. Same thing with Brown. I mean, even Coach K, all of those guys. I look back on some of that and I'm like, man, those were some of the hardest days and some of the best days I've had. And I didn't even know what was happening while I there. And that's next. When you host with me and take over his spot, we can talk all about. That's actually a very good topic of realizing, like in high school and the sports as you're like, cause like right now we're very much in the youth sports, right? Like, cause our kids were like, I said, I have four or five basketball games tomorrow, right? Like, so we dive into that stuff plenty, but like our own experiences ⁓ have led us to, kind of reflect on some of those experiences with our coaches and stuff we've had at those older levels, the high school levels, whatever, of like, wow, I didn't realize how important that was in the time, right? Or there's, I look back on it like, wow, that was very, like, I didn't realize how much so-and-so was shaping me as a human being. ⁓ So yeah, that can be a whole other topic another time. And this is mostly how we come across topics. Like, oh shit, we should talk about that. New topic, right. So we'll do that. Cole, it has been an absolute. 100%, yes. Thank you for joining us in studio. It has been an honor to bring that. You can come on any time you want. If you ever got something you want to be like, hey, let's get on and talk about it, let's do it. You're welcome back any time. only between these hours on a friday night because that's i mean unless you want to subject yourself to the chaos it is seven children under eleven you are more than welcome to join us it's a great time you come watch our kids while we go out no that's too much that's too much if you guys had six kids maybe that's more doable but seven is as we had mentioned before go visit Cole's website colekluesner.com Thank you for joining us on the Two Dads, One Mike podcast. My name is Taylor, that's Mike, this is Cole. Peace.