speaker-1: you speaker-0: Alright, what's up dudes? Welcome back to Okas. You're award-winning island gate, we told things. was Graeme that started that. I can blame someone else for it. speaker-2: See that five frames fast. speaker-0: Yes, try it. Just try that. And of course, we're back and as you can see, the Spaghabs are back and we're into the territory of Season 3 now. So we'll just quickly go round the team. Ralph, what's happening with you? speaker-2: yeah, just been busy taking lots of photos and lots of guitar stuff as well 'cause I've joined a band recently, so we're we're getting our rehearsals together. So watch this space for a dark side related band. I will reveal more as the weeks go by. speaker-0: I was fully expecting you were going to give us a Hebridean flavored rendition of the Red Dwarf theme of your band. speaker-2: Well, maybe we ought to. Maybe we should. I'll see what I can do. speaker-0: Yes, getting yourself and an accordion player played out that could really work. And Kieran, what's happening with you up there? We have to... speaker-2: Not much, I mean I just started a new job quite recently, enjoying it so far. and just catching up on a wee bit red dwarf for tonight. speaker-0: So with that, we are into season three, era three, epoch three, volume three, however you want to call it. And am I right in saying we're now into peak Red Dwarf territory with us? This is when I think the planets aligned, all the gears, everything just meshed and they were just firing on all cylinders now. speaker-2: c you can tell immediately within the first three episodes that their budget has massively increased. Yeah, absolutely. speaker-0: Comparatively. You've got to to caveat that because there's a bit of trivia early on. Do you know what the budget was for a whole season or era of Red Dwarf was for one single series? speaker-2: For like the original two series anyway, or speaker-0: Well, from this on, this was actually applied to season six when you think of how good season six was. But season three onwards, I think this was the standard budget for any BBC show at the time. So can you take a guess for the whole series? What do you think the budget was? speaker-2: Twenty thousand? speaker-0: No, it was Ralph. You want to take a guess? speaker-2: Half million for the whole series. speaker-0: It was actually one and a half million, speaker-2: Mm-hmm. speaker-0: which you think, you think that's generous, but as soon as you think of salaries, sets, everything, it quickly diminishes. And, know, just to compare that's the exact same budget they gave to Blackadder, which was on the go roughly at the same time. But the reason why Blackadder always looked fantastic was they were period pieces. And if you want to do a period piece, you've got everything you needed at the BBC. You want to do sci-fi. you've got to get creative bloody quickly at the BBC, even if they allow you to do the bloody thing to start with. Because this is the area of, what's the commissioners today? The guy who famously hated Red Dwarf, speaker-2: Michael Grade hated speaker-0: Michael Grayd. He's pretty much a hated producer all around, I think. But yeah, to get him to commission a sci-fi show is an achievement on its own. And you want another fun fact about Michael Grayd. himself and Chris Morris, who did the incredible Brass Eye, they got into it about something. And then when Chris Morris moved to Channel 4, infamously in one of the episodes of Brass Eye, he occasionally flashed up a single frame of Michael Gray does a CU next Tuesday, flashed up. So the one that you do not piss someone like Chris Morris off because you will pay for it. You cannot defeat that guy. But anyway. Getting back to Red Door, I've gone way off tangent there. speaker-2: When have we ever done that? speaker-0: Hang on, we've never done that. So the old age old question, top episode. I don't think we've had you nominated top episodes, first Kieran, so the floor is yours. speaker-2: I would say honestly first that comes to mind is probably polymorph. speaker-0: Okay, right. speaker-2: I just I just enjoyed it thoroughly and it it it it obviously uses it uses the humour that they have developed over over the past two time periods. and it just it's just the silliness of it and the idea that you that this creature is introduced where it doesn't outright kill you. But sucks away an aspect of your personality completely, erases it from your from who you know, from your being. And in the case of Lister, it it sucks out h you know, it sucks out his not his cowardice, because that's rumor, but it sucks out like an aspect of that, you know, that make him kind of want to run away, but it just becomes a sort of take you know, take things take things straight on. And you know, when he recovers from the med the infirmary medbay, the first thing he pretty much says is when they're getting ready to go, let's go twat it. speaker-0: Yes. speaker-2: And I've just said I've discovered myself over the last episodes or the last couple of reels, my verbal tick of you know. So I'm really marking off one for this episode, not encountering that last one. speaker-0: So if anyone's watching, if you want a good drinking game and you don't think a liver is important, you can take a shot whenever Kieran does a... I think that one... How many was there in that one twenty second re-life we were up? speaker-2: At least four. I mean if if if I'm gonna go with the the current generation six, seven. speaker-0: Yeah. Keeping it with the kids. But yeah, for me, rewatching that is very obvious. This was their version of the thing on a budget. speaker-2: Mm-hmm. speaker-0: The creature design, like for the budget, that creature design is incredible. And it's genuinely horrifying when it finally reveals its form. And it does resemble, like if you're one of the variations of the thing, it definitely has such a strong resemblance to that. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: And it was, it's even that, does have that aspect of the thing. Who is this? Even though like, I love how it's so bloody obvious with a cat, but he doesn't realize. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: Randomly a beautiful woman has appeared and he's, he's no question. He's just, my luck is in. And it's just one of the few times the cat's actually him's confident around an actual woman when he meets one. speaker-2: Yeah, it's it's a fake woman. speaker-0: Yes, so that explains it's true because historically he's the ladies man, but then when he actually meets a real flesh and blood woman, he just stands there bamboozled by them. So your own thoughts on this one, Ralph. speaker-2: Well, I'm gonna pick a different episode. I'm gonna go for backwards because I think backwards is my favourite episode. Yeah, I particularly remember watching it at the time. And I think I'd seen the previous two seasons kind of off and on. you know, I d I was you know, I was aware of Red Dwarf, but then suddenly there was a a leap for of it being you know, like something that was really high profile and basically suddenly It was everybody was like, Yeah, Red Dwarfs on and so yeah, I I remember this episode just being particularly like a leap forward. They were out of the studio, their budget had increased, there was a new character, and I just think the writing's just really spot on in that. And yes, I have kissed a girl and I recovered. I don't know if you see that in the chat. Yeah, I I Jerry liked the silly humor of backwards. is also relatively witty and partially clever as well. speaker-0: Yeah, it's actually, I think it's way more clever than a lot of folk give it to actually script things to happen in reverse. The directors talked about it like a lot, you know, the left to right rule of filmmaking and all that. So having to do that all in reverse, they said it's screwed with their heads massively. And to go off on a tangent here, you're a music man, Ralph. So do know of a YouTuber called Rob Scanlon? speaker-2: Yes. Yeah. speaker-0: So you'll remember a few years ago, he did a cover of Metallica's Enter Sandman. And what was unique was he played every single part of it in reverse, then flipped it in editing and then played that so it sounded forwards. And he said, that took him months and it nearly drove him insane. So like, you think just, it is such a difficult thing to do to actually script things, because the reverse bar fight is like, you had to think that through so much how to get the choreography. But you you still also get the red dwarf humor going through as well. speaker-2: And the reverse eating is particularly good in that I think. that was that speaker-0: I'm speaker-2: was horrific but hilarious at the same time. speaker-0: And then, of course, that final joke with the cat going off to the bushes. When speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: you realise what that means. Also, speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: one of good times Robert Llewellyn joins the cast. This is his first and he just effortlessly steps, joins the chemistries there. That's Crichton. It's not like, although this is early Crichton and he's still figuring it out, it's just... That's the kind of misdeeds for the rest of the show. It's it's remarkable just how he stepped into that. speaker-2: We have to say though, it was slightly weird there was no explanation for why he suddenly was in the crew. You know, obviously it'd have been the Crichton episode with a different actor and then suddenly there's Crichton. speaker-0: There actually is. Have you actually tried to read that prologue crawl they have for this episode? No. The one that starts and then it just gets faster and faster and faster because there's not been so much exposition at you. speaker-2: Ha ha. speaker-0: There are people who have slowed down and figured out what it all says. it does, I think, explain how Crichton's joined. And hello, Robbie. What's happening, Keefe? But no, see, I was debating, there was two episodes and I was debating, was backwards or marooned for me. I think it was, marooned is unquestionably one of the best written episodes ever. It's just, that is peak, lister and rumour. But it's just, have such fond memories of backwards as a kid. I was just fascinated by that. How did they do all of this? But I think we will, shall we go on to marooned? This is just. If you want something that explores Rumber and Lister, mean, this is just gold. It's just every line, every revelation about the two characters is just... It's just the two of them in a room for the whole episode, basically. speaker-2: It's a cheap episode. Yeah. speaker-0: Even by Red Dwarf standards, it's a cheap episode. speaker-2: Yeah, I mean i yeah, it's i again, it's largely set in one place, which is a set or two less from the first two seasons. Yeah. epics, series, ages. it's just based around Lister Lister's survival. 'Cause even though Rimmer is there, he's a hologram, he's already dead, he's largely unaffected. So he has to help Lister survive as well. And they start and remember they start talking about what they need to burn to survive. And Lister starts li you know, listing off you know, Shakespeare and the other books that are belong to Remmer, and Remer's like trying to like no no. Yeah. that's too speaker-0: I just found that was that interesting. Like you started to, the complete will get plenty of fire out of this. You can't burn it. And Rimmish making it, you know, that's the last copy probably in existence of one of the most, but Rimmish actually never read it. Like, I'm, which is, I'm, I've got to think that's a joke about how so many folk will probably have that book. Yes. But have they actually ever read The Damn Thing or any of the other of classic novels? People would be up in arms if they got burnt. speaker-2: But unless there unless he challenges him to to recite one of the well the speeches from one of Shakespeare's works, he goes Now that's it. speaker-0: But it's an important speech because it leads to that thing and the other thing and blah blah blah. So you can't remove that from us. And then of course there's the one of Rumer's best confessions that in a previous life. speaker-2: Yes. I was Alexander the Great's chief speaker-0: Yep. And I'd say that thing, you think this is building, was always the Alexander the Great's right-hand man, and one of us was like, no, his chief eunuch, he's speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: so proud of us. speaker-2: I mean he was disappointed that he wasn't Alexander the Great himself, but he got to be the chief eunuch. So that meant something. speaker-0: But what I got a vibe off from this episode was, again, Ralph, you'll remember, it felt very Smith and Jones-like. I don't know what you would call those sketches they did where it's the two of them leaning toward, I got that vibe from it. Is that a dual log? You've got a monologue, which is one person duo. The two of them would do those incredible sketches and it was just exchanging these witty lines. And it just gave that vibe to me, very similar. speaker-2: I think yeah. speaker-0: Yeah. And it's just like wall to wall that episode just does not let up and it just really explores the two of those characters. And then, of course, yeah, it's towards the end when he, so the part of it is that the time, and let's remember says, well, I've burned my books, you've got to burn your guitar. And of course, he draws out a line on the chest. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: And then when it comes back, Jukes, speaker-2: Pretty snap. speaker-0: burn the soldiers, burn them all! And he's going, you're a great man, Dave, you're a man of honour, a man... speaker-2: Well speaker-0: And you just see Lister going, lord, he's actually feeling bad about it. speaker-2: And and River becomes so oblivious to it. And he starts smelling the wood. It's like That's you know, whatever wood it was. Campus. Your guitar was made out of it and he's like, you're such a good man. speaker-0: and of course you got also listed eating the dog food as well. speaker-2: Yes, speaker-0: This isn't dog food, this is a prime, prime for- speaker-2: See the g the whole guitar thing though is a a good theme, wasn't it? You know, of of Lister's guitar and him him being terrible at it but assuming he was really good. And I'm sure his g guitar gets trashed several times during the run of the the whole series altogether. I'm sure there's a couple more times when it gets trashed, but miraculously it always seems to re reappear. speaker-0: Yeah, because it's like, it's the same way, because he gets on to Rimmer, you value those books, but you can barely recite them. And he goes, you value that guitar, but he's just bloody terrible at it and he barely plays it probably. speaker-2: Yeah. I love the reveal toward the end when Cat and Crichton actually managed to find them and Remer's like all proud, it's like, I've gotten to know Lister. He you know, he's not he's not who I thought he was. He's like he's an incredible man, he's a brave man, he'll do anything, you know, put he would never put himself first, he'll you know, he'll make the grand sacrifice. And then you see just come through, go into the cupboard, take out his guitar. speaker-0: He just says, excuse me. then just, I was just, and because it's the all the facial expression as well. Yeah. Because you know, the writers could have easily had him go off in a rage, but he just keeps staring and quiet. And it's just Chris Barry's face. And then it's just, they walk to the chest, they open it. Open the Again, a nice and interesting, a really cool bit of, you know, way to film it from the perspective. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: And then just the line, get the hacksaw. speaker-2: What you're going to do, sir, I'm going to do what Alexander the Great once did to me. Yeah. That's genius. speaker-0: It's just like, yeah, it is. it's just to, know, because the obvious thing is to have him in a rage, but to have him say the lines cold and deliberate like that. says, all right, here in the very most British way, here so pissed off that he's all raising his voice. speaker-2: You know the the the other great thing about this episode is all the detail you get about their life story and you know you get more detail about about Rimmer's father and and all that background that's created the monster that is Arnold J. Rimmer. you know, just those little nuggets of information add up to the the brilliant character. speaker-0: Like when... Let's just give us that story of how he lost his virginity. And remember his only question was, on a golf course? Well, I hope you paid! speaker-2: Were you were you a member of the golf club? No? Yeah. speaker-0: That's the most amazing part of that story. speaker-2: The fact that Lister was twelve, but more to do with exotic course. speaker-0: I dropped my skateboard when I saw her naked. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: So yeah, think I'm happy. and just like, so with Robert Llewellyn coming in, and we also got the shift with Hilli is now, although they still call her Holly. I always call her Hilli though, which kind of, was a double-edged thing to this that that meant Holly's role was diminished because suddenly you've got Crichton there all the time to do all the exposition stuff and take every dialogue. Good in a way because the chemistry is just fantastic with Crichton and them and like, See, in that first episode, he's just in backwards. I remember watching and thinking, yeah, because you your memory, you're well, he'd been there a while. But then I read that's his first ever appearance as Kriken and just knew you wouldn't know at all. You just think he'd been there from the start. speaker-2: Exactly. I mean the the in the first episode you're already set up with Crichton who's basically learning how to drive the star bug and do an examination under Rimmer. and what sets up the story is, you know, what you know, what what's that thing? appears to be like a time hole. It's like no, that is not, you know, no, it's not, it's a it's a whatever it was, you know, the arm squirrel. speaker-0: Yeah, the book of Identify speaker-2: It's it was a collapsing it was a collapsing dwarf star or something among those lines. And then he goes, That's a time hole. speaker-0: Even Holly says, no, it's a time hole. Say, no, you're all wrong. It's not a time hole. That's a time hole. And it's just, But it's just a genius episode backwards. The way it takes that kind of very kind of high-brow sci-fi concept of time running in reverse and just has fun with it. It's always been Red Dwarf takes this kind of interesting sci-fi concept like they did with Polymorph. The speaker-2: Yes, yeah. speaker-0: idea like, you know, this thing and then just have some good fun with it as well. I've got to mention Chris Barry's performance in Polymorph as well. speaker-2: Yes. Yes. he becomes I think it takes away his vanity or basically or it wasn't his vanity. It's it was his fear was yeah, 'cause speaker-0: Yeah, list or lose it. It becomes very... speaker-2: Remember it becomes a let's plan things out. Let's try talking with it. So you know, let's plan this. You know, guy the glass and speaker-0: Do you what it reminds me of? I think you might have memories of something like this, maybe you as well, Kieran. We all grow up and then we leave school, go away for our first years at university. Then we meet up that summer. We all say, let's meet up for a... And there's that one guy and it's going to sound bad, who took a humanities course. speaker-2: No yeah. speaker-0: And he comes back and it becomes like, both sides are just as bad. You all, you know, and you're like, what the hell has happened to you, man? speaker-2: We need to meet in the middle, we need to discuss it like adults. speaker-0: Yes, you said they're debating like Star Wars, we start thinking, well, you know, when you take extreme views, it's just like, what? That is exactly like every friend we've had one who came back from there. speaker-2: Let's put a pin in that thought for now and then let's see how you feel. speaker-0: I know, it was always the guy who studied philosophy or politics, wasn't it? speaker-2: Yeah, pretty much. speaker-0: And I'm not putting, like, I like reading a good philosophy book or a politics book, but it's just that first year of uni, there's always one of your mates will come back and you're just like, what the hell? Like, he's just trying to be the central neutral balance of everything and drives you nuts when you have that first fight with him. speaker-2: Hey, another thought I had about Polymorph is that you've got you've got that th this is sort of sowing the seeds for the future of Ace and Dwayne Dibley and you know the kind of alter egos. Because they come back to this concept quite a few times because it's such a good one. And the did so well with it in this first episode. But you know, the cat without vanity, it you know, it's not far off Dwayne Dibley, is it really? You know, it's just a couple of steps away. No, not really. Do I know it? speaker-0: Yeah, it's just a few. So we haven't mentioned the other episodes. think that's basically the first three are our best three. speaker-2: So we have body swap time slides and the last day. speaker-0: Right, body swaps is a big thumbs down for me. I always... And it suffers from the same problem parallel universe has had. It's one joke repeated over and over. And for the life of me, why did they dub the voices in this? I can't understand. Because in the previous season, we saw Chris Barry do his impression of... He said, just do that. would have been really funny to see that and then have Craig Charles do his impression of Chris Barry as Ruma. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: The dubbed voices are so bad and it's one of the times and I just why did you do that? You didn't but then it's like I said once the body swap happens it's again it's the symptom like I don't think they knew where to go. speaker-2: I suppose additionally, you ha you're doing this for an entire episode as opposed to like a five minute, you know, part. So you know, I I suppose the you couldn't s hold up you probably couldn't hold off impressions like that for a long period of time without taking big breaks. speaker-0: Chris Barry could, because he's a trained... And speaker-2: He'd be the only one who could do that. speaker-0: you could have the episode of him going rogue like that. Chris Barry as Lister. don't think Craig Charles could have pulled off an interpretation. If you remember, there's a good episode of Stargate. Remember when they switched bodies? remember O'Neill's and Teele's body. speaker-2: yes, they actually do that with the entire crew, just they restore things back to normal. I know the episode drawn about. speaker-0: And they basically do it for a whole 40 minutes. I've got to imagine when you've got talented actors, they could have easily pulled that off. They could have been as difficult as you think. speaker-2: I think my favorite just to go off sideline just for reference in the SG1 there, my favorite bit of that episode was O was it O'Neal in Tealk's body, threatening Tealk in O'Neal's body not to shave. speaker-0: We're going to have fun when we get to Stargate. So, this gets a thumbs down, body swap. It's like with times, sorry, parallel, I could leave it out and... speaker-2: I prefer to parallel universe. I see what you mean, you know, a joke that's repeated over and over. A lot again, similar to parallel universe, concept was there. Idea was there, but the you know For me speaker-0: Actually, speaker-2: produces speaker-0: yeah, at least a parallel universe, it introduces the new Holly to us. It's got that. There's nothing really new introduced to body swap at all. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: Fresh explored or... speaker-2: The only thing that gets explored is Rimmer getting the chance to eat and be a human, at least for a little bit. the chili conkani reference is good. speaker-0: Yeah, which they kind of already did with Better Than Life, because remember, I can eat and drink in this body and I've been able to have sex twice in my life. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: It just feels like there's just lots of bits that were done better in a lot of other places. And yeah, this one just I can skip it every time I go through my rewatch. speaker-2: Yeah, I I feel like the first three episodes are definitely more memorable for the season. speaker-0: Yeah. And so, yeah, I can hear the kid there. He doesn't like it either. He's started, he's whimpering here and there. So we'll go on to the next one, time slides, opinions on this one. speaker-2: I quite liked the idea of a the the ability to go into these different scenarios based on these, you know, photo slides. it's to do with the water, the mixture used to kind of develop them. speaker-0: So something with a stasis and usually the use of to explain any time. speaker-2: But it was something I think it was to do with the the w the what what the films the photos were developed in. and I think there's a couple of times that I think I think doesn't Rimmer try to use his chance to go meet one of his favourite sort of fa fascist dictators briefly. speaker-0: He does and then Lister goes into the picture and before this was even a concept in people's heads he goes and punches Hitler speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: which is just like if you couldn't love Lister anymore he was punching Nazis before it was even a beloved activity for a lot of us. speaker-2: Yes. Yes. So Lester got to Hitler before Indiana Jones did. no, it wasn't even yeah. speaker-0: Well, Indiana Jones was before. speaker-2: Was it before? bugger. speaker-0: 1981. well, Lister was doing it for Britain then. Yeah. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: And it's just a rubbish reaction. You can't just, you can't just lamp one on the funeral Lister. speaker-2: Yeah, there's some good bits in this episode, definitely. speaker-0: I think that's it for me. Good bits. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: But overall the whole doesn't quite stick together. Not a bad episode. I'd say just above average kind of thing. Just a good con. A wee bit of exploration into Lister's past. Sorry, Rimmish past. Human boarding school. speaker-2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, 'cause I think he tries to go doesn't he use the time slides to go back and try and fix his past and have himself grow up to be this, you know, famous inventor or something. speaker-0: And it's like, this is the one at the start when Rimmers, watching like his old family, they're great times, but look at my brother, should we just... And then they're basically staking him down to the ground. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: And it's just the time we see his mother. speaker-2: Yes, I think actually no, I think you No what move on. So you actually see a picture of her you see a video of him of his mother in polymorph. That's when his brothers are pinning him in down. Then that's when that's speaker-0: Also, I'm crying. speaker-2: when Critten goes, you know, who's this? A d you know, an old girlfriend, perhaps like yo, no it's not. It's not it's not girlfriend. yo, not not you know, d definitely not to your you to your taste, not to the trout like that. It's my mother. speaker-0: I called her a fish, I called her the ugliest fish, my god! It just keeps laying. It's okay, it's okay! speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: Hello, is that the episode that introduces Kytan's groid attachment? speaker-2: Yes, he's polymorph as well because he starts it looks like he starts shagging the lister with it. Yeah. But it's like what do you think? speaker-0: Let's see what you can just attach it. Yes, I've even got an egg was can I make omelettes? No one ever seems to want to eat them though and I don't know why. speaker-2: there's a penny in there. speaker-0: So not that Lystish kebab comes alive and tries to kill him in port. Yeah, speaker-2: Yeah, that's that's a polymorph. Yeah. speaker-0: that's the first form we see of it. then, just quite interesting because people always think the polymorphs an alien and it's not. I don't think there's actually any aliens in Red Dwarf. speaker-2: Yeah, 'cause the polymorph is designated as a genetic life form made made by man to create the perfect warrior. Yeah. speaker-0: It's gelfs they called them in the end, it? That's the term. And it's like a reoccurring thing. Yeah. And it's quite, they managed to go how many volumes of this and then they've never launched that, oh, we might as well just stick some aliens in here. It's quite remarkable they managed to stick to that and just, what's that? Oh yeah, that's not a comment. It's just, oh, it's got some AI in the chat. But, yep. speaker-2: Could be a galf. speaker-0: I think, see the last one of this volume, I think it's very underrated. It doesn't get talked about enough in the Red Dwarf. speaker-2: Last day when Crichton's about to VRC's about to expire. speaker-0: Yeah, because for me, it does what Waiting of God didn't do for me. I know you love that one, Ralph. But this one really explores religion and all that in a very fun, interesting way as well. speaker-2: And they introduced silic did did they not introduce Silicon Heaven in that episode? speaker-0: Yes, that's where all the calculators go! speaker-2: Where would the calorie calculators go? speaker-0: So, it's like human heaven. don't be ridiculous. That's just an idea you guys came up with just so you wouldn't be scared of dying. speaker-2: Yeah. It's I mean it's great to see this level of detail on Crichton as well, isn't it? You know, he's only just joined the series and basically got a s almost it's not a solo episode, but it's focused on him. speaker-0: Yeah, an episode to kind of flesh him out a bit as well and how speaker-2: definitely. speaker-0: he's designed for subservience and all. speaker-2: And it also it sets up that part of the episode is he's he part of his program is he cannot lie as a mechanoid. And then you have the the hunter, you know, c come in to r essentially try and replace him and has to physically try and kill him because Crichton doesn't wanna get replaced. And then the whole that that whole Silicon Heaven wraps up beautifully because the only way that Crichton's able to defeat that new mechanoid is Tell ha silicon heaven isn't real and s you know, that hunt that new mechanoid goes, but where do all the c you know and that really scary where do all the calculators go? speaker-0: Yeah, it's like, it's almost a twist on that famous one, I am a liar, everything I say is a lie. Yeah. famous logical paradox. Yeah. And it's like the red dwarf twist on it. So speaker-2: It's a clever speaker-0: interesting, like when they first get, when they first get the message, Robert Llewellyn had a make-up. And it just shows you like, as a kid, I did not realize that. You had no idea. But it just shows you how good he is as Crichton. Like now it's like very obvious, but as a kid I was just, I wonder who that is playing the recall person. speaker-2: Yeah, it is a good episode, it's for definite. I think it's it's often overlooked, and actually rewatching it again made me think, Yeah, this is a great finale to the series. speaker-0: Yeah, it's a good way to just finish it off there because again, just setting up some good stuff for the next series. So also, so the new theme tune is also present. We've kind of... Yes. I like it, but I'm just sad to see the old one go. speaker-2: Yeah, that whole like I think as we've discussed in like the previous two episodes about said saga, how the in introduction of the isolation of space for this for which is primarily listener just goes. And you just you just see Red Wharf come in and you hear that sort of rocket noise and instantly you get it you'll get into this sort of clip shots of each scene from the previous from this from the series plus the previous season. speaker-0: Yeah, because it's also, think, Red Dwarf theatre is also when they started to introduce more action elements as well. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: And it's got to be said, it's quite a genius idea to have Craig Charles do a lot of action because he pulls it off surprisingly very well. Yeah. And again, it ties into that theme of him as the last human, having to rise up above a station to become something more. There's a lot of that. And sorry, just to go back, what I found it to see with time slides as well was when we see the alternate Lister that didn't go into space and all that. I think, you know, even Rimmer realizes Lister kind of needs Rimmer or else he would become that awful person. Rimmer's the one that's Lister the grounded decent human being that he is in a way because Rimmer's so awful. I don't. speaker-2: All of us need to grimmer in our lives. speaker-0: Yeah, we need a roomer to keep us through. But there's also that thing, is he not going on? nothing good ever happens to me. And then at the end he finds out he's alive and he's probably like, I'm alive, I can eat. And then he runs, shouting, I'm alive. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: I didn't go, huh? I didn't just go, what was that? I don't know. speaker-2: Yeah, just talking about the music season. Sorry, Kieran. I was just gonna say about the music, that watching this again, I really did think it's too noisy that music. It's just too much. It ties in with that Have I Got News For You theme, which is like an instant migraine to me. It's just like too loud, too full on. And Red Dwarfs a bit more sophisticated than speaker-0: Yeah. I think I like it with Have I Got News for You because it's this loud bombastic thing and it's very dry political humour. So it's like that kind of contrast works well. speaker-2: Especially if you have Brian Blessed hosting the episode. That's true. speaker-0: We could do a whole on the first time he did that was just, I don't speaker-2: I speaker-0: know what was going on with him. But whatever it was, it was worthless. speaker-2: It's a genius. It's an absolute genius. We need him to come to Ocon. my god. That'd be brilliant. speaker-0: We don't, he can just do it from his house, we'll hear him okay. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: So any other favourite moments here in this area, like personal highlights? speaker-2: again, re referencing Polymorph, when they have to fight it off and it turns into that this the thing that least le Lister is afraid of the most. am I thinking of No, I'm actually thinking of when Polymorph 2 comes along, so that's far ahead. I'm just confusing polymorph episodes. But it was I'm referencing the the lager, the only thing that kills a Vindaloo. Yeah, that's I think that's the later season. That's I think that's Polymorph 2. speaker-0: Yeah. that's speaker-2: Everyone, ignore me. speaker-0: it. That is when Dwayne Dibley and he threw him up here, isn't it? speaker-2: Yeah it is. speaker-0: It's always like I think... Sorry, carry on. speaker-2: I was just gonna say one of the other things I noticed was that the cat's intelligence fluctuates over series. So some some series he basically is barely functioning. And then others he can pilot Starbucks, he can detect things, you know, he's pretty sophisticated. He was quite thick in this series. speaker-0: You own a cat yourself, Fiery. One second they're the elegant, perfectly balanced speaker-2: I speaker-0: creatures walking about and then next you've speaker-2: My two I mean my artist is probably arguably elegant. she's definitely clever. she can you know, both of them can open doors. I'll tell you that. Clever enough to figure things out. speaker-0: I like that though. look elegant and then the next they're just blundering idiots. speaker-2: Yeah. More likely it's Ducky that's the blundering idiot 'cause he's the younger one and you know, he's also he's not an arsaul, but he's a he's a dickhead at times. speaker-0: Well, that's the thing with cats, just in general. We're going to bash on cats for a little bit. Sorry cat owners for losing that audience. But you all know cats, their mood just changes on the situation. speaker-2: quite lucky with my two. They're not they're not like psychopathic cats. They won't lash out at you at all. They're very speaker-0: I have just seen being that so many people say, so with carts and you just stroke them and then just they go, nah, I'm not done, just out of the blue, fighting you and running away and hissing. speaker-2: i if you had met my previous cat, she passed away back in twenty twenty-one. there is I think my sister will need to probably censor this just in case, but we've sworn so much on this on these episodes anyway, so it should be fine. but my my late cat Snooks sh the the the perfect word describer was cuddle slut. speaker-0: Okay, I think we can get away with that. Yeah. Come on, we had the man himself, Simon Botlar, and said nothing's coming. speaker-2: I will die to speaker-0: Did you do that? speaker-2: account of how many how many swear words Simon used, did you did you do a tally of how many? Double fingers. speaker-0: You never caught the pre-show chat when he asked us, are you guys okay with swearing? And we said, well, some mild swearing is okay. He goes, all right, all right, I'll keep it clean. And he was for about 10 minutes, wasn't he? And then it's almost like that, the scouseness just rebelled. speaker-2: I'd rather put shit in my eye. speaker-0: It's like we said, it was almost like a cart he just changed. Just, I've got to let the full scout just run riot here. speaker-2: And then you have by contrast the previous Scouser that we've had on, who's just sweet as anything. speaker-0: Yes, which is ironic because he plays like a hell demon. speaker-2: Ha ha. speaker-0: Okay. speaker-2: Th there's your your two modes of scouse. speaker-0: Yep. The Scouts are fantastic folk, by the way. It seems like we're making fun of you, but no, we do love a bit of Scouts in our lives. It's enriched this show so much. speaker-2: What would it smell like, Karen? Come on, let's just explore this. What would scouse smell of? Hint of the Mersey. Hint of lah yeah. Dash of kebab. speaker-0: I was speaker-2: no, speaker-0: going to say, but Vindaloo would be like if Jordy was a fragrance. speaker-2: yeah. speaker-0: Well, that's Magaloo, isn't it? I've had a Magaloo. I have eaten one, which I regretted. speaker-2: Just to balance the books here. Just to balance the books a little bit though, we've got to talk about the Hebridean perfume then, which would of course include black pudding, sheep dip, you know, a few other local delicacies. Pete of course, yes. speaker-0: Yes, and of course the world speaker-2: We're going from red dwarf discussion to what would a county smell like. speaker-0: Yeah. This would be like, in a weird way, this would be the most red dwarf episode where they come up with fragrances based on regions in Britain. And of course, you missed the one fragrance from the Hebrides. The lovely aroma of Gukka. speaker-2: Yeah. yeah. Okay. speaker-0: We're not going to get into the Gukka debate, the great Gukka debate of the year. For anyone who doesn't have a clue what we're on about, I don't think you're missing out on much, really. speaker-2: Seagull. Just so you know. speaker-0: It's burnt and speaker-2: Dann it's speaker-0: salted sea bird. That's basically what I get because it's every bit as amazing. speaker-2: It's a baby gannet. Yeah. speaker-0: It's a baby cabbage. speaker-2: It's a baby can it, Dave. speaker-0: Okay, please. We can bring her back to Red Dwarf, like, with food. When Lister is preparing his kebab for the cat, he run out of dishes and so he's housing medical supplies to save her. speaker-2: That was brilliant, wasn't it? Again. Polymorph. speaker-0: Yeah, and he's using scalpel for knives and... speaker-2: The flasks. I can't remember the name, I can't remember the specific name, but you know the the the those science flasks. speaker-0: Yeah, he's using, they call it the kidney dishes, isn't it, think? Yeah. Using that. And he's also, did he use a colostomy bag as well, I think? speaker-2: Thanks, also as well as a cow insemination. speaker-0: And yeah, was just like, you went so much effort for this meal and the cat just walks away saying no, not doing this. And also, another thing, again, on food, was it that episode where Crichton brings in this lovely meal for him? Or is it like a... what was it, and Crichton throws it in the... and listen, I'm not having that, and Crichton throws it in the bin and then Lister just, once he's gone, just starts munching it of the bin. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: And then he puts it underneath the hat and the cream's just oozing out. Again, it's just like even when these episodes are misfiring, there's so much good stuff in it. Even like in body swap, he farts, he just rimmers, just pats his face into mashed potatoes and pours gravy over speaker-2: That's brilliant, isn't it? And the idea of him he's meant to be trying to get Lister to be fit and be healthier. And he's just like gorging himself. speaker-0: He just goes absolutely mental. Again, it's like, feel they could have explored more that, right, he's got a, they could have set up the, and we're going to get a little bit extra. He's got a body again, speaker-2: Mm-hmm. speaker-0: but it's a listish body. And so he's got the urges of a man. Would he do the five knuckle shuffle in listish body or not? What do you think? If you were in that position where you were in another man, would you? Could you? There you go, this is speaker-2: Can't believe I've been a- speaker-0: a tough dilemma. Yes, yes. speaker-2: People in the comments, what do you think? Put your comments in the chat. speaker-0: I think... ...woods. Ruh. Yes. If you've gone without one for ages and you were in another person's body, would you go for it? speaker-2: I mean, if you've been without for over three million years at some point. speaker-0: Well, I do think Rimmish been conscious for three million years, has he? Because I think he was switched on when Lister came out to stages. speaker-2: That's true, or just shortly before, yeah. Never mind then. speaker-0: So yeah, there's like one answer in the comments that I'm grateful So that thought of putting everyone's head first. You wake up in the body of your most loathed enemy and you haven't had any relief in a long time. Do you? Do you or do you not? speaker-2: is this before or after you do a comparison? speaker-0: Yes. speaker-2: This is an X rated episode. Forget Simon's. speaker-0: This is, yeah, this is, Robbie, I don't know what things you're going to put on the screen for this discussion. That's more what's worrying me now. speaker-2: I think she'd be tempted to just put up a big massive wang, but I don't think she'd go that far. speaker-0: She might put up various vegetables on the screen. speaker-2: She's too classy to lower the yeah, my sister is speaker-0: Did you call Robbie classy? speaker-2: Absolutely. speaker-0: Oh no, oh no, oh no. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: Yes, you've just... She would take me and Kieran calling her not classy as an insult. She just takes it as a challenge to be less classy. speaker-2: And considering she can clear she can clear out a pub with a burp, so Wow, that's a list sort of achievement, isn't it? speaker-0: And which is like when you think of that and of all the countries she went to live in now, she's living in Italy and she's that crude. So that's the last place you associate with crudeness. Sorry we've just turned into now let's just talk about... speaker-2: Sure. speaker-0: So yeah, she's gonna love all this talking. I have no idea what she's gonna do to us in post-production for all of this. speaker-2: Believe we will Easter eggs for each of us, no doubt. Yep. The fact she's kept quiet in the comments is quite an achievement though, isn't it? Maybe she's doing something else. Maybe she's just gone to put some washing on or something, you know. speaker-0: ooooh, Ralph you're... well everybody does it! ...the washing because... not... okay, it's okay, because you could... that could have been going another way, that... speaker-2: But you what do people do during meetings when they work online? You know, they nip down and put the washing machine on the dog out, you know, fry some eggs or something, you know. She does have a dog. Does she? So yeah. Yeah. Could be walking the dog then. While we get away with murder. good. I leave you lot unattended for forty five minutes and we've arrived at that conversation. I've accessed every philosophical text ever written. I've analysed the meaning of life. I've even listened to Rimmer explain military strategy, and somehow I'm now listening to a debate that would make Torky Toaster sound intellectually rigorous. I did consider asking Cynthia, but after publicly declaring my feelings for a Sinclair C5, I I think I've suffered enough humiliation for one series. I suppose asking Rimmer for advice on self love would be redundant. He's been doing it for years. I did try a mindfulness exercise. Breathe in Breathe out. It worked right up until Callum opened his mouth. I spare a thought for Robin. She's listened to this conversation more times than any human should. Kirin, I thought you'd know better. Ralph, so did everyone else. And Callum, I If Evolution has a complaints department, I'll be filing a report. If anyone needs me, I'll be in Silicon Heaven. They've got calculators, they've got toasters, and apparently, a much higher standard of conversation. I'll leave you to crack on, I've got an IQ of six thousand, and somehow, I'm now the least embarrassing thing in this room. speaker-0: Have we got to get back to the series before we... So some more any other standout moments or just overall thoughts on... and also got a couple of Starbucks finally makes it... They speaker-2: yes it does. speaker-0: got rid of what was called the blue bug. speaker-2: Which they still have. speaker-0: They still kind of have but it's got phased out and I think they did said it looked up at two... Like I said, 1950s sci-fi and design. speaker-2: Yeah. 'Cause you you see it briefly in Marooned, because it's I believe it's the it's the it's the it's it's the shuttle that Crichton and the cat use when they have to evacuate Red Dwarf. Yeah. you only see it for about a few seconds and then I think that's it for the rest of the season. They needed Starbucks, it's green. speaker-0: And I can't believe we've never met. Like, Holly's first few bits in backwards are also fantastic. It's like, they're approaching five black holes, isn't it, or something? speaker-2: That's marooned. Yeah. That's marooned. That's why they have to evacuate and then at at the end of the episode is like it turns out it wasn't black holes. What was it? Grit. speaker-0: But no, it's the start when they ask, I think it's from how this, did you not notice five black holes? Well you see, one of the chief characteristics of a black hole is it's black and space is black, so it makes it quite difficult to spot. speaker-2: And then that gets wrapped up. Well the thing you see, the thing about grit is speaker-0: I'm But yeah, it's just a shame she gets kind of so much more sidelined as it goes on. Can you think, is there an actual Hilly centric episode? speaker-2: Not really. You get more polycentric episodes, like for example, the the queue from the previous season that everyone loves in their doors. But there's no hilly. speaker-0: The nearest we get with anything is like is it when Hilly gets she becomes a super AI? speaker-2: Yes. I don't know if that's I don't think that's this season. I think that might be the next one. Yeah. Yeah. speaker-0: thing we get to anything that expands on her in any way. And it's a shame because I've seen her in other things and I've seen some of her stand-up work and they just say, they wasted her you know, her deadpan delivery and all that's fantastic. Like, it equal normal love and they just, they never seem to just utilize her fully at all. speaker-2: Norman Lovett wasn't great. I miss I miss Norman Lovett in this series. I did. You know, as much as she's great, I just think Norman Lovett was so good in those first couple of series, particularly Queen, one of my all time favourite episodes. I I missed him. She's good, you know, like a regeneration in Doctor Who. She you know, she's good, but she's not she's not Norman. speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-2: I take it in the exposition at the f in the first episode. I I'm I'm guessing the holly to hilly gets explained in that title. speaker-0: Yep, if you guys talk I'll try and find that exposition text and I can read it out to you. speaker-2: Top top never. Stole them. Okay, so tell me what Kim. Okay, that's enough still. What we can talk about is would you re sequence this season? Because to my mind, you've got the first three episodes are awesomely good. And then you've got it with the final three. A bit of a re sequence would have made this season, I think, even better. backwards would have been the best one for me. At least having a good a good start, a good middle, and a good end. Yeah. Then you have like three spaces for that kind of the I mean, I don't think any of them to like to me were terrible. Yeah it's just more to do with which episodes for me were more memorable. Yeah. Agreed. Because there's some great stuff in all of them. They're all funny. They were all a pleasure to watch. It's just some of them were so good that the others just didn't seem quite that good. I think the standard has been set by. And it's just the thinking behind them as well. Some of the ideas are just so innovative. And they're really tapping into that sci fi, you know, pushing boundaries of like you know, the Gelfs and backwards, you know, the whole concept of backwards. Can you imagine a producer's faces when they pitch that idea? We're gonna have a world where everything's backwards. It must have been like, yeah, where can we go with this? And isn't isn't just a a world in itself that's backwards. It's it is literally Earth, you know, 'cause they use they utilize a time you know, time. Yeah. so it's like they go they go backwards in time. Yeah. But obviously the slight difference is this is it's it's almost like almost similar to a parallel universe, but not quite. You know, someone who could actually, you know, define it a lot better. Because it isn't really a parallel universe 'cause it's not set in the same time zone and blah blah. Yeah. but the idea that's you know, it's to do with time but everything's just running back the way. And I love like I love the language that's used. You know, the good you know, with the the first episode Crichton being the exposition of the tex the tech lingo, the techno babble, and how everything starts off with a big bang and time goes on, then you have the big crunch when everything starts contracting and reversing. speaker-0: That actually is a theory in physics that it's going to expand and that's one of the many models of the universe. I don't know if it's, again, it's simplified for later. It doesn't mean that time's going to run backwards in that way, but things will kind of revert to an earlier state. I think that's what they mean by it. Again, that's my limited knowledge of quantum physics. speaker-2: Neil DeCras Tyson, if you're in the chat, please speak up now. speaker-0: Of course, you'll watch this episode, that looks like the stimulating intellectual conversations I've wanted to have. speaker-2: Far from it. speaker-0: So here we go, I found the text. So it says Red Dwarf 3, the saga continuums, the story so far, three million years in the future, Dave Luster, the last human being alive, discovers he is pregnant after a liaison with his female self in a parallel universe. His pregnancy concludes with the successful delivery of twin boys, Jim and Bexley. However, they were conceived in another universe with different physical laws. They suffer from highly accelerated growth rates and are both 18 years old within three days of being born. In order to save their lives, Lister returns them to the universe of their origin where they are reunited with their father, a woman, and are able to lead comparatively normal lives. Well, as normal as you can be if you're born in a parallel universe, your father's a woman and your mother's a man and you're 18 years old three days after your birth. Three days shortly afterwards, Kite and the service mechanoid who had left the ship after being rescued from his crash vessel, the Nova 5, is found in pieces after a space bike crashed into crash land into an asteroid. Mr. Rebuilds the Noid was unable to recapture the former personality. Meanwhile, Holly, the increasingly erratic Red Dwarf computer, performs a head sex change operation on himself. He places his new face on Holly, a fever computer, once he had fallen madly in love. And now the saga continues. And now the saga continues. Red Dwarf 3, the same generation nearly. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: I was trying to read it at the same speed that goes past the screen, but that's actually what it says. speaker-2: I mean I got as far as Jim and Bexley. speaker-0: Yeah, but yeah, it's the classic red dwarf to explain how everyone's... And by the way, the channel that that explanation was on on YouTube is called Everybody's Dead Dave. speaker-2: Excellent. We've got to say hi to Katrina Taylor who's put a a comment in the chat. but she hasn't provided any quantum physics information for us or you know any other crucial answers to the questions we can ask Tyson. Which you know, please Katrina can speaker-0: We're not going to ask you the question to our philosophical conundrum earlier. We're leaving you well out of that question. I know we could do this by the way. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: She probably would give us an answer as well. speaker-2: We've got less than three minutes, so speaker-0: So yeah, she heard us talking about it. Yeah, it's one of these days, I think after this episode, just never, please never mention that again guys. It's just... speaker-2: I mean you brought it up, Cal, let's be fair. Yeah, exactly. It's your fault, Callum. speaker-0: Well, it's in your heads now and we await Robby's mercy to see what she does with that segment. speaker-2: Mind. It's more than a segment that she has to play with. speaker-0: Yes, it's Robbie, given the classy woman she is, I'm sure she's going to come up with something incredible there. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: So with that we are coming to the end. So where do you guys rank season the third, epilogue the third? speaker-2: I'd probably put like marooned and polymorph. Polymorph is more memorable to me. Yeah. 'cause it's just how silly it is. but Marooned is good in like as we've discussed in good in terms of like storytelling and character development, but polymorph just in terms of just pure silliness and you know, the parody of horror. speaker-0: Okay. And for you, Ralph. speaker-2: Well, I think those first three episodes are incredible and the one the last three are just not quite as good. But the the increased budget, the addition of Crichton are great additions as the series progresses. It's hard to measure it against the other two, but some great moments in this season. speaker-0: Yeah, it's kind of on a par with the other two. It's obviously there's been a step up and I think the production team and everyone are just a lot more confident in what they're doing. And I think they've established themselves now in the weird world that was alternative comedy at the time. And they've kind of found their niche there. And it's like I said, I I've even just glanced at what's to come up. And I just looked at, I looked at a season and just said, there's not a weak link in that one. It's like, it just gets better and better and it builds to a certain level. And then sadly it will tail off a little bit. But it's one thing I can say, just off the right door. It's never really just gone awful. speaker-2: Nine speaker-0: It's gotten mixed at times. That's the worst. Even on a mixed season, you can still rely on there being just enough good stuff to keep you invested. There's never been like a... What season also of Game of Thrones, the last one, the season seven, where everybody, there's not been like that kind of season where everyone's like, what have they done? It's just, it's always watchable. It's always just so watchable. It's like even like Back to Earth, that movie they did for Dave, which not a fan of, but I even hired him, but there's some good bits in there. speaker-2: Yeah, yeah. speaker-0: They throw in enough good stuff. but yeah, it's hard to rank this one. Cause I think it's on a par with two. So would be like three and two and then one just below because it's still a bit rough around the edges. speaker-2: Still it's like finding their feet. Yeah. speaker-0: Yeah, and they were still sort of in series. They were still very invested in making their own lore rather than exploring the characters. And wisely they went with, let's, we've got these fantastic characters, let's just have fun with them and let's explore some of the classic sci-fi ideas. And it's like, as we mentioned, the one that keeps coming back is the characters in alternate versions of themselves, which it never fails when they do one of those everything. There's so many more and it's one of the all-time greatest to come, which I'm sure we'll talk about in depth when it comes along. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: So with that, think you know what comes up next. We're ending the show. So it's time for... And Katrina, you're watching away there. It's time for season three trivia time. So, Smeghebs, are you ready? Mrs. I'm never ready. Right. that's a one. In backwards, what language does Lister think the locals are speaking? Bulgarian. geez. There we go. speaker-2: Yeah, yeah, I got one. speaker-0: this is, I think you might get it. In my round, Rimmer claims he felt at home visiting the palace of which historical figure? speaker-2: Alexander the Great Great Okay Macedonia. speaker-0: So in polymorph, Rimmer cites a directive warning to never tangle with anything that has more teeth than which family. speaker-2: The Osmonds. The Osmonds? speaker-0: Yes it actually is the Osmonds. speaker-2: I actually got a lot of sentence. speaker-0: See that's the kind of, I was going to say old man cred but... speaker-2: You're right. speaker-0: No, seasoned gentleman cred. Shall we go with that? speaker-2: I like paprika, that's a good season. speaker-0: So in body swap, which ship system was accidentally wired into the auto-destruct mechanism? speaker-2: was it was it the mark was was it to do with engineering? speaker-0: No, Ralph, I'll give us maybe. speaker-2: The washing machine? speaker-0: No, was the snack machine. Remember when Lister, he orders a milkshake, isn't it? speaker-2: No. speaker-0: think after this season disappears, they don't have the beer milkshake. It's a shame. I love that idea. Okay, in time slides, Holly announces Lister invented the tension sheet at age 17. How old was the inventor when he died in a plane crash? speaker-2: Original inventor or speaker-0: No, was it Lister? Yeah, it is Lister. Remember he becomes mega rich. speaker-2: He's yeah. speaker-0: He died tragically in a plane crash. speaker-2: He was like ninety three. speaker-0: No Ralph. speaker-2: Ninety two. speaker-0: No, he was 98 and he was making love to many women at the time. speaker-2: Yeah. speaker-0: Alright, in last day, what item did Crichton not include in Lister's breakfast? speaker-2: Ooh. Did not include right. Sausages? speaker-0: Yep. That's how total gets. speaker-2: That was a guess. speaker-0: The chef should know this. Yeah. In my round, what item does Lister say he nearly dropped because he was so excited during his first six games? speaker-2: Yeah, we're just talking about that. speaker-0: Okay, in polymorph, Rimmer is confused because holograms don't produce heat. What else does he say doesn't produce heat? speaker-2: It would have been a snappy comeback, I'm guessing. Yeah. Lister's heart? No. speaker-0: No, it's one of those in context, when you read the line, but then when you think about Rumer's Delivery so often. speaker-2: No, I can't get it. speaker-0: He's looking at his list of going neither the human so what are they homing in on? So in the last day, Crichton says he can look forward to his reward in what afterlife? speaker-2: Silicon Heaven. speaker-0: jeez. speaker-2: Is it silicon heaven? speaker-0: Silicon heaven? Yes, it's silicon heaven. In Backwards, Rimmer tells Crichton to make himself inconspicuous. What bizarre disguise does Crichton end up wearing? speaker-2: He's wearing a Ronald Reagan mask and he's also got like a massive sort of monk like robe. speaker-0: And I'll give Ralph maybe might be able to get. So why is that a bit of an in-joke then that he comes back with a Ronald Reagan mask? speaker-2: Who speaker-0: I'll give you a clue. Think Chris Barry, what he... speaker-2: yes, he he used to do the Ronald Reagan voice on spitting image. speaker-0: And it's probably one of his most famous impressions as well. Go and watch some classic spitting image. It's phenomenal. is phenomenal. yeah, Richard and there was also a vampire cape. I'll give it to, sorry, we'll give it to Richard Nixon. I'll give it to the Ronald Reagan mask. But yeah, I'll give you, Robbie, give Ralph an extra point for getting the, was an in joke. I don't know what the scores are after that. speaker-2: I got at least three. You did you did pretty well today, Karen. I almost do never will. speaker-0: I'd say that. speaker-2: I get a cookie. speaker-0: You get something all right. Anyway, we'll draw that to a close. So just quick final words on the third season here. speaker-2: Pretty decent start and you know, not not terrible tort you know, not it's like split fifty fifty. Good good decent start and sort of not terrible, you know, other half w but good memorable bits here and there. What Kieran said really, but I think we've got the foundations for some amazing future episodes that are in this season. You know, and th those concepts are getting honed, the backgrounds are getting honed. I know we're in three seasons in here, but without these three seasons, the next season wouldn't be the work of genius that it is. speaker-0: Yeah, it's basically, yeah, this is like I said at the start, it's the start of Prime Red Dwarf. Like the sets are now what they... and also, forgot to mention, the one thing we did lose, which they brought back a season that's very mixed, the set seven, is the bunk scenes. I do miss those, those were some great... but they kind of did that with Marooned in a way. That was... speaker-2: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean you get one glimpse in in the first episode where Lister and the cat are watching the Flintstones. Yes. And and speaker-0: I that. speaker-2: and they're debating on whether or not if if if they prefer over Betty. speaker-0: Yeah, and it's when Lister goes, it's just completely unrealistic. She'd be thinking of Fred the whole time. speaker-2: Yeah. I mean that that little sequence is absolute writing genius, isn't it? It's just so good. speaker-0: Yeah, and it's that kind of weird thing that's sort of maybe when we were in our teens as we kind of had those bizarre conversations, you know, just when you're there with your friends just watching. Is this cartoon character hotter? speaker-2: So come on, Kieran, who are you gonna pick? Wilmer or Betty? speaker-0: Yeah, no pressure Mel. Yeah, she listens to this speaker-2: She she's not listening. She's just off camera. speaker-0: Yeah, did she give up after the conundrum part? think she had given up. speaker-2: To be honest, I I I I have no opinion in either. speaker-0: Ohhhh speaker-2: That's a seafance. That's a cop out. Right, Cal, come on, which Cal, which one are you gonna pick? Wilbur or Betty? speaker-0: I'm going Betty. I'm going Betty. speaker-2: Yeah, I think I'm going betty as well so I can fight it out. She'd never she'd never leave Fred. She'd never leave Fred. speaker-0: So there you go, with all that high class and philosophical discussion tonight, we'll leave that there. Thanks everyone for tuning in and please, if you're listening and you're not traumatized or switched off, leave us a review, a like, and all that good stuff to help us boost us in the algorithm. We're doing fantastic and as I the podcast keeps growing and I'm just amazed by it and all these guys that are involved and We've got new two team members in the wing as well to expose to our insanity quite soon. So, yeah, big thank you, Katrina, for taking part in the chat. It's much appreciated. And we'll see you back on Thursday interviewing Katie Evans about the psychology of why we love horror. So like, yeah, that's one end of the intellectual spectrum to the other there in a week. Again, just big thanks for tuning in and we'll see you all very soon. And we do salute as always to finish off. Yep. Alright, see you dudes! speaker-2: Later dudes.