Evan Wessman: Hey guys, welcome back to Interior Analysis. It's been a while, and today, in preparation for the Odyssey, we're gonna do a very special episode. Not like that. ⁓ we're doing an episode. we're gonna be doing an episode about how we should adapt myths. ⁓ I'm Angel Michelle. I'm Evan Westman. I'm Delani T. Kelly. I promise I'm not drunk. I am very dizzy right now. I think we all are. We're all spinning from all the myths movies we watched, I feel like I revisited Over over the years, not to this past week. Just Yeah, I only revisited like Percy Jackson and I re I watched the whole Percy Jackson series because I I love the series as a kid and I feel like the the new show is doing a a decent job. But yeah, there's a lot of myths movies which are really interesting. And Evan, I was actually really excited to see I think it was on your list to see that you put Sinbad on there 'cause I watched that movie a million times as a kid. I don't know if it's on mine, but it's definitely on Jelani's. Was it on Jelani's? Okay. Then in that case Jelani, I I love Sinbad so much. Dennis funny film. And Dennis Haysbert, aka Mr. Allstate. It's very funny. Yeah. Yeah, it's Wait, which Allstate guy? Dennis Haze. The Mayhem one or the No Black Mayhem. ⁓ that one. Allstate. But yeah, it's a very it's a very cool topic. I've been excited to do this episode. I think it's gonna be really fun. And it's good prep for the Odyssey, which for those of you who don't know also adapts a myth. It's called the Odyssey. ⁓ anyway, I'm not drunk either. ⁓ let's get started. So also we should maybe say we have seen so Angel and I have seen the Odyssey, but Jelani hasn't, so in the interest of no spoilers, we will just be acting like we haven't. Because I'm the biggest Nolan fan and I was letting my appetite build. So we can't we can't tell him that Odysseus actually like leaves his family and goes to Gotham City at the end. Well no so he he goes and meets ⁓ Liam Neeson out in like East Asia and then he goes back to Gotham and then he goes home to Penelope. That's how it goes. Right. Okay, yeah. And Penelope is Catwoman. Like actually. Right. All the Catwomen are there. Michelle Pfeiffer and Zoe Kravitz just show up at the end for no reason. I wouldn't be surprised to be honest with you. There's so many damn people in that movie. And we'll talk about that when we actually watch that movie, but it's got such a ridiculous cast a great cast, but such a ridiculously large cast. We're gonna start off with Jelani's topic today. Why should we continue to adapt mitts? Or should we at all? The short answer is yeah. The long answer is Yeah. That was longer. You you emphasized the word a lot. I I can stretch it out and pose. Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ Continuously adapting myths in different forms, make sure the story never gets lost. Kinda like how myths were told originally, ⁓ word of mouth to several others who made sure the story never died as they told their own rendition of them, and that's probably how they got bigger and bigger and different versions and whatever. What was the Greek term for these storytellers? Or not oracles? Orators, maybe? No. I know what you mean. I know what you mean. It's not philosopher, because they would just tell stories and they were paid for it. Something like that. Okay, you could argue. ⁓ here's my superhero quota of the episode. ⁓ Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, and the others are myths because they're like modern adaptations of even older characters that are directly from myth. I looked it up, but Superman's origin and myth isn't from one direct myth. Even though his okay, so his origin is directly linked to Moses. Like that's shouldn't be a secret. And his design is a reference to like strong men, I believe, and wrestlers is otherwise. Yeah, definitely wrestlers. Like Luciors. Yeah. And apparently which makes sense, a golem golem gol no golem. Golem from Jewish folklore. 'Cause they defend I think the innocent or something. Like they're given a task and they do it. Kinda like kind of like a Terminator. That they probably influence Terminators. So that being said, how many times have those characters that I mentioned, Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, ⁓ have we seen be adapted and given new actors and worlds and time periods? They're almost never one-to-one to any comic. Which is good because why else? would it be needed other than filling executives pockets further. For example, the 2025 Su I'm not gonna mention old boy Evan, my f favorite director. but the twenty twenty five Superman is not the same as Man of Steel, and they're both not the same as Superman Returns, and they're all not the same as Superman the movie, and none of them are the same as the comics. So ⁓ I'd argue the animated stories, the DC movies, are closer one-on-one adaptations because those are meant to be more like moving comics anyway. I will second you on your early note in this about like passing on the stories. Angel, can you third me? No. I'll fourth you though. Okay, thanks. Going forth. The stories have persisted in many cases, but a lot of these are from ancient cultures and Greek myths I think have had a few resurgences. Those have stayed in pop culture. So if if somebody says like, ⁓ we have too many Greek myths, like let's Thor. Sorry, keep going. That's another one. Which is now also Norse too in the last few years. Yeah. ⁓ that at least has I mean people know who Thor is, if only because of Chris Hemsworth. But man, that I think it was Ryan Hearst voicing that version of Thor is something else, man. He's so damn cool. Keep going. So there are many different mythologies and like we've had a decent amount of Greek mythology, but how much like Native American, South American, Egyptian, African, East Asian, you mentioned Nordic, like there are so many getting ⁓ they're they're getting an uptick as far as ⁓ Well, it's mainly video games, but they are getting an uptick and stuff. They were ⁓ they were not too long ago there was Black Myth and Kong. They're getting a couple of others that I can't even remember the names of them. They're getting a couple of others that are coming out too. Well, the one I remembered just before recording, I didn't have it in my list initially, but the biggest grossing movie of last year was Neja too. I think I'm saying that right. That's how they pronounce it in the movie. Which I think I was looking it up to check. I think that's like a Chinese myth. Of some kind. It it's like at least an older text from I I think it said like the 1600s or something, but it very much is a mythological story that got big enough that it kind of traveled over to us here in the US and probably several other countries too. I would imagine maybe there's other stuff that like is maybe circulated within the like nations of origin or like at least lands of origin. for a lot of these, but maybe don't get like the Hollywood treatment. And I think some of them, you know, I it would be good if the creators could have some connection to the original culture, which in some cases may not be possible because a lot of those cultures have been gone for a long time. Like if you think about like Aztec culture, is there anyone now who's like there are Native Americans within the US, but I I don't know if in South America like there are people who consider themselves Aztecs in that way. I could be wrong, but like I think in some cases like we maybe should just tell the stories because the cultures aren't really around to tell them themselves anymore. Well you haven't been to South America. No. But I've also you have? ⁓ yeah, you have. ⁓ for the ⁓ case. I d I didn't have anything to add to that. I just w Fair enough, I haven't. But I think that's a reason for like why. A more base level reason too. They'd make good movies. These are big epic stories. Let's spend a lot of money showing them on a big screen and let's tell them somewhat straightforward. I think I'll get into that more later. I would I would rather see a one to one live action remake of a movie that came out not even ten years ago, ⁓ Milano. Hmm. The real myth of our time. I'd rather that. Yeah. Give give the people what they really want. I don't know if people really say that they're overdone, but I would argue that in the case of every mythology except maybe Greek, th I I think it's been an untapped well for the most part. Like I'll talk a bit more about Shakespeare adaptations, probably in other topics, but I think that is a well that has been like retapped. Too many times to the point that like everyone, every like theater director ever is like, ⁓ god, how do we like do Romeo and Juliet again and not just do it straightforward? What's the what's the one where he says, What are you gonna do? Stab me, you egg, and then he stabs him? What's that one? Maybe Hamlet. I don't know. I'm not a I don't know a ton of Shakespeare. I've read a few. But like there's so many versions of Shakespeare out there, like I think you can take a similar approach. I'll I'll save that for other topics, but like if people are limiting their view to just Greek mythology, you can say like we've done it enough. At the very least, we can't let Gods of Egypt be the only movie that adapts Egyptian mythology. It deserves that. Yeah, with Gerard Butler and fucking ⁓ Brendan Twitch. Nicolai, Costage, what yeah. Yeah. I haven't actually seen it. I'm into for this. I'm into for this, but then it wasn't free on anything, and I've heard enough to know. Yeah, I heard enough to know I'm not gonna pay for this. Also, Nightwing is in it. I'm I'm good. Brendan Twait, yeah. Honestly, I agree with you, j I I agree with you first on the base level of like they would make really good movies. Like, they're such epic, high concept ideas, especially stuff like The Odyssey, which we're not gonna get to it, we're we're not gonna get into, but it has a very human story surrounded by all of this crazy magical crap that is really just interesting to watch and can be adapted a million different ways on screen. There's lot of creativity when it comes to these myths. So like you can do these in so many different and interesting ways. You can also do just like a one-to-one adaptation, and it can be really satisfying to see all of the stuff that you're hearing about or reading about. visualized because it feels so otherworldly, but then to see it on screen to see how somebody interprets that and does it is like really, really cool. ⁓ it also has like inspired so much of our modern storytelling in general, especially like old Greek myths, that I think that we should keep adapting them because they're just the basis for everything that we have anyway. I mean the most base level of that is superhero stuff. myths inspired superheroes and now superheroes, especially like DC versions, are kind of portrayed like modern gods, like modern Olympian gods. And it's really interesting to watch. And even like we get a lot of stories of like humans dealing with all of these like larger than life like heroes and villains and like the consequences of that. That makes for really interesting stories about just like human survival and ingenuity and having to live in a world where you don't control everything. You know, it's just like fighting nature. It's really cool and interesting. And I think that there's a lot that you can do with it. So I think if we just stop doing it, I don't really know what would be left over because so it's inspired so much as it is. That's kind of all I had to say about that. But I think that, you know, just it's just a universal storytelling element in general that's like it's so ingrained, I don't know what we would do without them, to be honest with you. Yep. It's like so we didn't have like contrarian views on that. Because that would been interesting, but like I feel like We shouldn't adapt myths, actually. Yeah. Why? Because I want to upset people. His whole thing was a two-year operation to troll you. ⁓ I love it so much. Next we'll move on to Evan's topic. ⁓ which Evan, if you want to introduce that. Yeah, so my topic is In what ways should adaptations be faithful to the original myth? And in what ways should they feel free to add their own take? I'll do my first note and then throw it to you guys. My main note is do the base story of the myth first and foremost. You don't have to make it the bulk of the story, but like if you're gonna have a well-known character from a well-known myth, they gotta do the thing that they're known for. Like, if King Midas shows up, he'd better be turning stuff to gold when he touches it. If Theseus shows up, he'd better go to a labyrinth, get a string from someone named Ariadne, navigate it and fight the Minotaur. That doesn't have to be the whole thing. Like he could do plenty of other stuff, but that should happen. You're talking about like the absolute base essentials, but you can do whatever you want around that as long as it doesn't like take away from that original stuff. Yeah, but I do think like That needs to happen. And I'm gonna point to examples that don't for why it doesn't work, but I'll let you guys answer and then I'll throw in the rest of my notes. I think we should only adapt reality TV is my answer. No, I'm sorry. I agree with you. I do love to see a good one-to-one adaptation, honestly of anything, because it's like really satisfying. Like I'll go back to superhero movies and comics as an example. Like it's really satisfying to see something that you read in a comic, like really faithfully brought to life on screen. Like Spider-Man is my favorite. When they try to change his origin a little bit too much just for the sake of changing it, it is kind of upsetting because like we might all know it, but we still want to go through those beats and feel those emotions with that version of the character. So if we don't have all of those and we can tell you're just changing it to make it seem a little bit different, or even worse, to modernize it. It doesn't work. So I guess for an example of I think a story that does that ⁓ is the Percy Jackson movies, which I actually did revisit one of them for this. The problem with those, I think, is they tried too hard to make them these like teen action adventure movies, not exactly like Harry Potter, but a little bit similar. And it's very much following that tradition. Have you read that makes Also. I love the books. I love the books so much. I grew up with those books. That that was honestly that was my big like fantasy series as a kid. ⁓ after I did read I I did used to read Harry Potter and then at a certain point I moved on from that for reasons. But then also like Percy Jackson has always stayed with me. I've actually been wanting to reread the books, but I don't know how they would be as an adult. 'Cause like they're a little simplistic in like language and stuff like that. Like it's meant for kids. So I don't know if it would be as satisfying to revisit it, but Like I've always loved those. I've actually been watching the show, and it is a better adaptation, even if there's things that I don't love about it. But it does it does a really good job. Like the reason the books work, I think, is because it keeps to the original myths and the fact that like the gods are the gods, they're not anything else, but it does add in a couple of little goofy elements to make them work as like like a young children's fantasy thing and set them in America. For whatever reason he decided to do that, it strikes the right tone, I think, to make it like accessible and make it easy to understand like who all of these mythological characters are when the stories can get like kind of complicated for kids sometimes. The movies, unfortunately, they tried to make it into like this teen action adventure thing and they made too many jokes about sort of like their own material, but also like the same Exactly. Like the same annoying, like simplistic jokes that are like, ⁓ look how ridiculous this is and then they just made that the and then they changed the entire plot because they can't figure out how to fit the plot of the book into a movie. So they just simplify it as much as humanly possible. And then the second one is even worse because they add in like extra big name actors like Nathan Villian just to get people to watch. And then again, they make jokes about all their roles. They modernize it too much. Bro, that effect on whatever dude's name was, that Cyclops on Tys Tyson. Tyson. ⁓ yeah, the ⁓ the the one I yeah, the CGI was not very good. Even for twenty thirteen. Yeah. I will say I don't know that it's better in the new show, but it's a T V show. Produced by Disney though. Yeah, but Disney Plus shows do not tend to look very good, I would say, visually. Is that not a billion dollar company? It is. I but all of them still don't look fantastic, at least visual effects wise. I do not know why they still don't have They have to waste all their money making Ant Man and the Wasp look equally bad. I think the important thing, just to add on to that, with Percy Jackson, they still I think follow the rule I was setting out. Like, yes, you modernize them, but canonically they basically say like all the Greek myths that you've heard, yep, those happened. Like exactly the way that you've heard them, the bass things, they're all there. And then he has a lot of fun updating those characters and being like, here's what I'm up to now in 2007 or whatever. But there's still enough at the core that you're like, if your only exposure to Dionysus is the one in that book, it you still get like, okay, God of Wine, that maybe isn't the best one, but like all of them have Ares, take Ares from the first book. He's he looks different, but there's not like a canonical look to him. He's just like I love war. I'm gonna create this situation to create war. He's very simple, but he he's checking the box, he's doing the Ares thing. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and that's the thing too. All of the characters in that, all of the gods are the gods. They all of the stuff with Kronos eating his children and then Zeus making him throw them up happen. all of the they live on Olympus, like they're not aliens, they're not like, you know, interdimensional beings. They're not like something like that. They're they're just the gods and those exist. ⁓ wait. The MCU Norse gods count. Yeah, but they they but they kinda also like they didn't create the Earth or whatever. Like they are actually like kind of aliens. Like it's another realm, but they kind of are aliens. But they follow the rules as far as Doris Hammer and Loki and That's true. Odin. Yeah, yeah. It's a little bit different. But like like Warriors Three or whatever they're called. Yeah. But like Percy Jackson is a little more exact. And like Evan was saying, they just update it to be a little more modern. But like their personalities and the dynamics I don't think are any different. And if anything, it makes it easier for, you know, kids reading it to understand. Like that Dionysus is an example. I the funny thing in his is like he is forbidden from drinking alcohol by Zeus. And that's like a topic of conversation but also humor in the series and it makes it like, okay, like I get who this god is and I understand the family dynamics, which is kind of what grounds it too, because that's a big part of the story also. Like that's part of what makes it feel interesting. It keeps them grandiose and like big and scary in some ways, but then in other ways it shrinks them down so that it makes sense that like this kid, this child would be interacting with them and not just be completely obliterated. You know what I mean? It's a good way to modernize it. The movies though, it's just all jokes and making everything like really standard action adventury, and I don't I don't love it. Jelani, could we move to your answer to this? I feel like the core elements of what what made the man the myth legends should still be there, such as themes. I think Evan was saying this. But there's never anything anything wrong with a fresh take, because if you're gonna we're just gonna make it one of one of the original, like Why is it being made at all? I mean there is a case with Angel said where, you know, you kinda just wanna see it, which is fair. But like I'm in agreement with that just to clear it up. Yeah, after there's w one a one to one made, like why do we need more than that? And I mean it's not a myth, but because they made their own thing, but it's kinda like any attempt to adapt Avatar, the good one. Hmm. Stop doing it. You're not gonna beat the cartoon. In no way, shape, or form. And they keep trying it. They tried it in movie form, and now they're trying it in Netflix form, and it's still not working. Stop adapting Avatar, please. I think that's a a fair point about like it don't try to beat the original recipe when it's really good. The thing about ⁓ like myths in context of that is we don't really have that many like good, faithful, well known adaptations of these myths. Like I don't even know that you can find them written down in a faithful form for most of them. Like the Odyssey and the Iliad, I think have been copied to like there's kind of a universally agreed upon text for those two. I read it in poem form in in high school. Yeah. Like the The translation i exists. I think this ⁓ not from Greek mythology, but like Beowulf has that, I think. Probably a few others do too. I think I've read Beowulf. ⁓ I think I did actually. I think I did. I did. I think I think it was a little sixth grade. I did. Yeah, for screenwriters we had to read that in college. So I don't know if I was there where you were. But yeah, that was when I had to read it. But in a lot of cases you don't have a source text. like that, or at least not one that people can reliably go back to. Like they've been passed down. I had this book as a kid that went through like a lot of Greek myths. And it was pretty quick. They were maybe a couple of pages each. Some of them were longer. That I think is a book that tried to just kind of do the base level. I think they toned it down a bit for kids because that there's quite a bit of ⁓ sexual assault in Greek myths, so they took that out of it for the most part. Yeah. ⁓ so they they didn't really play it like that, thankfully. But that I think is like the closest thing we can get to a source text. And like you can name I I would say for Greek myths, you name a lot of characters, people will know them, but like I can't tell you the origins for like any Egyptian gods, even ones like I know the name Ra, I know Horus, Osiris, like those aren't even their original names. They Greekified them. The Greek skin and they also lighten the the paintings on the the walls not the caves, but the the walls where they had hieroglyphics and pictures of the gods, they came through and painted them a lighter color. They were actually dark skinned, like Africans. And hence we get gods of Egypt with a whitewash people with all the white people, yeah. Yeah. Osiris' original I only remember these two. Osiris' original name was Osar, which is why you see that there's a basketball player with that name, Osar Thompson. ⁓ and Horace's name ⁓ was Haru. But they Greekified him, like I said. Another reason to maybe get some of those stories out there in a more faithful form. A more fa they're more original forum, yeah, exactly. And we have the technology now to make them look good. Gods of Egypt is a bad looking movie, but I mean it it's not a technological problem. They just did a bad job. Come on. We have a Okay, let's not give anyone too good of an idea. ⁓ No but Jesus Christ, no. Please don't listen to me. Keep going. Well, but I think that's a reason to do it now. Like I've seen most of the old Clash of the Titans from like the eighties. It looks really bad. ⁓ it's kinda funny how it looks bad. ⁓ well, okay, but I've seen that a few times with my dad loved the original Washington Mouth. But when the Claymation guys are moving around a little, it's not exactly I ⁓ think I've seen images and it looks kinda like Monty Python. Scary assusa no shade at all. I think it's cool I think it's I think it's fun to scary claymation Medusa. My brother would have nightmares about that. ⁓ Claymation is scary. I'm not gonna knock that, but it's it certainly looks a little bit like the frame rates are a little weird. They move a little bit jumpy. ⁓ Mm-hmm. And they correct all of that in the Sam Worthington twenty tens one while also making some other problems. That cast was the ones where I watched the trailer and I wanted to go to one of those break rooms. Yeah. Those are so cool. That I I was like Yeah, super super cool action music, yeah. They didn't realize how good they had that cast when they cast them. That was it, Mads Nicholson guy ⁓ I don't remember Davos' real name. Liam Cunningham goaded. Nicholas Holt. Bro, Ray Fines, dude. Ray Fines as Hades, Liam Nichols. Doing the laziest B sides Voldemort impression. Yeah. Those movies are rad. I wish I wish they were on something so I could revisit them. Like they're so cool. Why, you just want to hear Sam Worthington scream some more? Yes, I do. I love Sam Worthington. He's a real life video game character. He screams a lot. The blandest actor that ever had a moment in Hollywood. Hey. Hey, leave Sam alone. Name me a blander man and I will. He could really play he I think he could pull a V from Cyberpunk. A male V. I could see it I could see it. I mean just looks wise, looks how the original Yeah, no, he he does look he does look looks wise, yeah. I could see it. Listen, he was in he was in Avatar, the good one. As I said before, keep the main thing. If the hero has one thing or character has like the one thing that they're known for, which is true of most mythological characters, I think. Like if you name most well-known mythological characters, people can name like one or two other things. It's like Perseus, all right, flies Pegasus, kills Medusa. King Midas, every Heracles, yeah, strong dude, ⁓ twelve labors. Maybe one or two other. Leme and Lion. Yeah. Golden Apple. Yeah. A but we also don't call him that. We call him Hercules. Hercules of Disney. That's only because of Disney. Yes. I actually haven't seen that. The original Hercules cartoon. I haven't seen it. I don't know why. I have many times. I've also seen both of the twenty fourteen Hercules movies, and I will point to those as a good example of what not to do, I think. He killed the rock in the movie. There's one with the rock, w ⁓ it the legend of Hercules with nobody you've ever heard of. Is it wait, no, is it the guy from Twilight? Maybe. Is it Emmett from Twilight? I I don't know. I haven't seen Twilight, so I don't know. ⁓ that's next then. Yeah, it's gotta be next. I I'll point to the those and immortals as like my biggest examples of what not to do with this. Yeah, I ⁓ wait, I had rewatched Immortals with my dad and brother and it was way worse than any of us remember. We started making fun of it halfway through. It's pretty bad. Like it makes the 2010s Clash of the Titans look very good by comparison. My brother was seething at the Titans designs. He was like, those are the Titans? They're just a border. Why they all look the same? Why are they just some dudes? Well and same with the gods. The gods in that are just like whoever, like, there's there's nothing distinctive about them. They all basically have the same power set. They're just Zack Snyder characters. Yeah, remember remember Zeus made that rule in the movie about not helping humans, and then he killed one of his sons over it, but then Athena did the same thing, and then she ⁓ I remember nothing. And then she I've not seen this film, but it sounds great. No, don't bother, Angel. It it's not watch one clip of it, maybe. It's not worth the time. Is it fun to watch and make fun of? No, not really. Like you're much better off rewatching or watching the 2010s Clash of the Titans. It's better in every way, including like the so bad it's good ways. My beef with that on the level of adaptation is All those Hercules movies and Immortals take just like a bunch of names and stuff. It's like, ⁓ Greek mythology things. Let's just all throw that into a pot, stir it up, and not really do anything with it. Like These Henry Cavill plays Theseus. There is no Minotaur. There's no labyrinth. There is. There is they call that big giant dude with the with the bull helmet. That was supposed to be the Minotaur and it was supposed to be the Labyrinth. Yes. Okay. Terrible job then. Terrible job. Yes. I remember I also remember that that arrow bow and arrow being more useful because that was like the biggest shot in the trailer where he pulled back and killed three dudes with it. I like, Whoa, that's really And I think it turns into a missile launcher at one point. No, he only used it the one time and then lost it. Really dumb movie. The Manotaur. I think yeah, I think they called him that. ⁓ my god, no. No, no, not in the movie. Maybe in the credits. He should have come out and said, I'm the juggernaut bitch, and then walked away. Might have been better. So like those are examples and the the Hercules movie, the Disney one, you know, you have the str a character, Hercules, he's strong, and then they have him do a bunch of stuff that Hercules doesn't do in the myths. I give that more of a pass because it's a kid's movie. They basically do the same shit in the two live-action ones from 2014. Like they made two in the same year. They made two in the same year. And one of them is like, they they get just enough in there in the one that the rock is in that you can basically say, like, okay, you took the character. The other one, I don't even know if they bother. It's ba it feels like somebody fell asleep watching Gladiator. I don't think. It does almost anything. It does look like Gladiator. Just based on the poster I've seen, it looks like Gladiator. The whole movie feel. Like I think they even take the same plot beats, basically. So that's a case where it's like you did not even try. You might as well have just made an original movie set in this time, but you probably couldn't, so you slapped this name on it. I think that is like, you know, we can't make rules for this, but if I was gonna make a rule. That kind of stuff would not fly. What would, like, there are some movies that aren't great, but that do follow these rules. Love it or hate it. I think Troy does follow this rule to some extent. You can argue that it should have the gods in there. I think that's a fair argument to make, but it does enough things that it's like, okay, you you get the main beats of like the Trojan War. It squishes it down time-wise. And it changes a couple of plot beats. The gods aren't there. But you can still say, okay, you did the thing. These characters are all basically behaving as they like canonically should and pretty much doing those things. Same with Clash of the Titans, like you can get mad at the fact that it has like a electric guitar score and the tone. But at the end of the day, Perseus does go and kill Medusa. He does the Perseus thing. Or as the the lady the lady says it what was her name? Io or something. She says Medusa. Don't know why. Don't remember. Yes. Didn't they recast a character in the second one as a completely different looking actress? Wasn't it like Rosamond Pike, but in the first one it was like the lady from Hansel and Gretel witch hunters or something? ⁓ I think so, yeah, Gemma Arderton. But I know Rosmond Pike is the same character. It's not even a different character that does the same thing, which I would understand. It's a different character. I think it might be a different character. No, no, I I think it's the same character, because I was watching Mr. Sunday movies did a thing on it, and I think I was watching it and they no, it's the same character. They just brought her back, but it it look she just looks like Rosamond Pike. Maybe. The Wrath of the Titans left my brain so quickly. That kind of falls into the same like immortals trap of like, we just threw a bunch of Greek myth shit into a pot and hope that you like it. But I'm more okay with that because it's the sequel. You at least did the Perseus thing in the first movie, and now I'm more okay with you like going off. That that's a bad movie, but at least they did it in the second one. So I'm fine to see straightforward adaptations, like even if I think you should have some kind of angle. with it, like maybe you wanna make a dumb action movie and do Clash of the Titans. Maybe you wanna do like take a more thematic approach. Maybe you want to expand the character out. Maybe you wanna add to the plot. Like not a myth, but I was thinking about the Fantastic Mr. Fox movie. It does the whole plot of that four, I'm sorry. I thought I thought so too. No, not that. So Fantastic Mr Fox is Fantastic Mr Mr Four Forthics. Fantastic Mr. Fox is a very short book. It takes about an hour to read. So most movies are longer than that. And they pretty much do the plot of that book in the middle act of the movie, and they add stuff to the front and the end. I would be okay with a Greek myth doing basically the same thing if you give a little backstory in act one, have him do the thing in act two, and then maybe we get some extra falling action in act three. Especially if you're gonna do more of like a character study thing. Some of these characters don't really have a story to go with them. Like Narcissus, the person who narcissism is named after. His story is pretty quick from what I know of it. ⁓ there's the character Echo Spider Lady. ⁓ Arachne? No, Arachne. Arachne? ⁓ yeah. Ariadne's the one who gives Theseus the ⁓ string. In the labyrinth. Arachne is like the mother of all spiders, I think. Interesting. I think Aphrodite or somebody was jealous of I think it's Athena. Athena. ⁓ gosh, these gods, man. They what was there to look up to, man? They were just so jealous. ⁓ my god, all of them were just terrible. Every single one. I think. Gosh, just anybody who just looked hotter than them or did something better than them, they were like, You can't do that, die. Or don't die. I'm gonna make sure I you stay tortured in this tortured state. Jesus Christ. Not him. He's not He's fine. The famous Greek God, Jesus Christ. What are you doing here, Jesus? I remember reading Th there was like an intro to the Greek myths book that I had. It was like the Greek gods were all these things. They could do no wrong and then I read the books and I'm like, You sure? They did all the wrong. They seem like they do a lot of pretty bad things. All the wrong they did, that was by far my favorite I don't even know what to call it, subject. This wasn't a season, but subject to cover in high school. ⁓ like like Greek mythology. ⁓ yeah. We did we did a full Greek mythology thing. That was so fun. ⁓ same. So much fun. Yeah. I did get into like other mythologies too. Like I got into Egyptian mythology also because like the Rick Rorden also wrote a book series on that that I I started reading and I enjoyed. But like they're all really interesting. Yeah. Norse is really good. Like the Norse mythology stuff is really cool. Ragnarok. I tapped out after the Egypt one. Just watch the God of War games. Maybe. I I think it's cool that he is doing that. That would be an option. I think the basically the Rick Riordan approach. I don't think anyone else can really do that because he's pretty much got a monopoly on it. But like the idea of bringing them into a modern setting, these stories, I think is fine. You could also alternately do like ⁓ Brother, Where Art Thou, which is the Odyssey, but set in the 30s in what is it, Alabama, somewhere in the deep south. I want Odysseus in Alabama, but it has to be Odysseus. He gets lost and instead of on an island he winds up in Alabama. And that's what the movie's about. I mean, I think that could be a viable option. Where it gets a little tricky, I think, is when you're naming the character the same thing. Like What was the awful Romeo and Juliet with Leo? ⁓ the Baz Lerman one. That movie's so much fun. I watched it with my sister like last year. It's so ridiculous, but it's hilarious to watch. I watched it in school and I think I had a head for something to give me a headache after that's a special kind of stupid. I remember fully not enjoying my time, even though it was you know, whenever in school you have like a movie day and you're like, Hey, we're not gonna do any work I didn't have fun. Then they pull out shit like that. Yes. That is an example I was going to maybe point to as like Yeah, you can do it like that. I I think that's a it's a weird choice. No, don't. Just don't. I don't like it personally. I think it's a viable option. I don't want Baz Lerm to do it because his style is so frickin' weird. I think it's okay to do your own take on something. Like I wouldn't want to restrict creators from that. And we have really good versions of it. I just saw a version of Oedipus that's set in modern times with Mark Strong. It was a Broadway show. Not a musical, but a Broadway show. And it's like a modern day, he just won like a I think he just became president or he won some big election in the US in present day, but they name him Oedipus and it it still does the thing. He still finds out by the end that he killed his dad and married his mom. And it it still works. Hades Town does a similar thing. Yeah, but it's it works. The play is good. You're advocating for it. I no, please. I am not advocating for patricide or incest. I saw that play in between my mom and dad, and I thought that was a mistake as soon as I sat down. I did not I didn't mean to I didn't mean to. I did not mean to okay. We went up to Your dad hides all the knives in the house. We met halfway. We met halfway for my birthday this year in New York. And we were like, what are we gonna do? And I was like, I don't care. My mom was like, let's go see if we could scalp some Broadway tickets. And they were like, ⁓ we can do it we we can do all these things. There's one of Oedipus, Mark Strong's in it. Cool, I like Mark Strong. That's what we end up doing. We get to our seat and I'm like, ⁓ shit, shit, I can't get out of this room. Okay, this is happening. Evan, I'm so sorry. Happy birthday. That was the also the day that my stomach symptoms started, so my stomach was like going all over the place. No, it had already happened. But it was I was like more stressed about that the whole show. But it did I did mention it after. I was like, well, that was a good show. Wish I didn't sit where I did. and they were like, but why? And I was like, you fucking Okay. ⁓ two of my sisters were there too. I could have fo anyway. Good show. The play was good. I'm gonna make the most of that attain. Like you couldn't have picked a worse crowd to go see that with. Yeah. No It wasn't a cho it was a last minute decision and we just happened to go in the road. Out of all of the plays. I don't remember what else was there. I specifically said I do not care. I didn't necessarily want to do it. I was just like, let's go up, we'll see each other. I can't fucking eat today because this is happening. And okay. Fine. We'll do this. That's too funny. I I need you to see how funny that is. ⁓ it I I see what's I see that it's quite funny. I mean, there's a reason I told the story. I figured you'd enjoy. Evan's traumatized, but it is really funny. It was I wish it was the most upsetting thing that had happened in that trip to New York because my stomach things were the worst part of it. But that also happened. You broke Chelani. We're changing the topic of this episode to Evan saw Oedipus with his parents. The show is good. Jesus Christ. I thought I was gonna throw up throughout that show. Not because of that, but because of the stomach symptoms. I was honestly like more thinking about like how do I get out of this row really quickly if I need to, because we had zero leg room, so I would have had to like literally crawl over like twelve people. There is an entire psychiatric Complex dedicated to him and you still decided to go see that. I was different terms. I it wasn't my it wasn't my decision. We made a I deflected the decision. I was like, I could give a shit what we do today. It's fine to s you should have. I did, and this is what happened. I think there was like timing things in there as well because we all had to get home that night. I think what's crazy is you've told me this before, but I I didn't let it settle. I know I told you at some point. You did not tell me this. This is incredible. No. I'm hearing this for first time. Mark Strong is very good in it too. He was very well cast. No, we're not talking about Mark Strong and his performance. It was good. We can get right to this. So Evan stops crying. I'm not the one crying, Jelani's the one crying. ⁓ My parents don't think it's actually that fun. They were like, ⁓ that wasn't weird at all. It's like for you. Ignore me. Okay. I don't know where the fuck else I was trying to go. I think I may have covered all of my notes there. ⁓ You covered a lot. I covered a lot. You're making it worse. Anyway, I think before we get any more like or we can still do some weird, like out there adaptations that like do something else with the source material and like bring it to a different setting. Like do some weird like casting choices, change plot up, but let's get some also like down the middle stuff in there with it. As many things as we had in like the late 2000s, early 2010s, very few of them actually do it. Like the fact that I have seen three Hercules movies and I can't name you the twelve labors of Hercules is kind of a problem. Like because none of them really do it. They all like montage it at best. Wasn't the Golden Fleece one of them or is there something No, that's Jason, I think. Jason Argonauts. Yeah. Which I also don't know the story. I know there's a really old version, or maybe it's not I think I saw that. I don't remember it, but I'm pretty sure that was one of those claymation ones. But it was before Clash of the Titans. I think it was the sixties. Yeah, something like that. I think it was like 1968, maybe? 1963. Yeah, that might have been in like the Ben Hur Ten Commandments. Type of ⁓ on that Cleopatra, all those big epics. Like it might have been in that era. But let's do another one. Sure. I would also add, and maybe this will transition us into Angel's topic. Like, pick directors who are passionate about the source material and want to do it. Do not get a gun for hire director. Like, I don't want to see Sean Levy's name mentioned. I don't know why he popped up in my head. Maybe it's because of ghost the announcement. Keep going. Yeah, like not a bad director, but nobody like he has never really brought a creative vision. I do not and like people like him have a place in the industry. I don't want to knock them. That is not the approach I think should be taken for this. Like same with ⁓ I'll point to some of the gritty fairy tale movies I covered. Some of them, like in particular Red Riding Hood and Jack the Giant Slayer, you really get the sense that like nobody really wanted to make this. They like nobody felt pulled toward this story because they don't even really do not reject the giant slayer at all. Be grateful. It's basically Aladdin. I saw it, I don't remember. I I don't want that to be the approach. Like you can maybe do a couple of dumb ones in there, like we can do another Clash of the Titans type deal where it's just kind of dumb action. We can even do like something that's a little bit funny. We can do another like Hercules esque. kids geared one. I'm fine with all that, but like get somebody who wants to do this. Because I think there are people who care, including all of us, about like people like these stories and they deserve to be told well to some extent. And they deserve to be told faithfully before we get too excited about changing major things. Like it should still I think Like go off with your changes, but you should still be able to recognize it as the main thing. ⁓ that that's my main takeaway. Set this. Hercules, set the next Hercules in 2027, New York. I mean, if someone can do it, I'm not opposed to that, but you gotta do an like, especially if you are going to name the character Hercules. One of the labors is getting out of New York once the Knicks are kicked out of the playoffs. Sure. We'll modernize the twelve labors of her kids. Another is like that avoiding one of the people that talk to themselves on the street without getting yelled at. I think another should be not giving money to one of those subway dancers on his ride back from work. It sounds like he just is trying to be anti-social the whole time in this. Another twelve ignorances of Jercules trying to order a bacon, egg, and cheese salt pepper ketchup without annoying everybody in line behind him, and he's not from New York. Another should be not standing in the way of other New Yorkers. While trying to take pictures of buildings. Don't stop in the middle of the street, guys. Just stop doing it. Just It sounds like he could accomplish all of these things by just staying the fuck home. That's New York. Find a copy shop that will spell his name correctly. I'm surprised Starbucks stopped that. I mean if you have an account, they'll just they have your name. Yeah, that's true. So my topic is how to make myths feel fresh. And it's not going to see I'm sorry, we can cut that out. I just said that was ⁓ funny. So my topic is how to see is how to make myths feel fresh. And ironically enough, it's kind of the thing I said not to do before sometimes, but other times it it's a little different. So, like obviously, kind of jumping off Evan's topic, I do think there's a way to make it feel fresh while still maintaining a very faithful adaptation. Part of that is making it after a certain amount of time. So like Jason and the Argonauts is a very old movie. If they made a modern version of that with modern effects and modern actors and some modern screenwriting techniques, it would feel a little bit fresh just for the fact that it's a modern movie, as opposed to a very old classic movie with an old classic style. As far as like the way dialogue is written, the way that films were at the time. Like it's automatically collapse they had in it, I think, too. Well, all the monsters. Yeah. Yeah, see that would most likely be CGI now, or there would be a practical way to do it if you have the right director. Which actually they do that in not to spoil it, but they the Odyssey has some stuff like that which is really interesting, like how they do it. Of course. Yeah, 'cause Nolan he he's killing it. No, It's so great. No, it's so it's so awesome. I love I love when they can do that. And obviously there's melding with CGI probably, but it's still very interesting. They hired a real damn Cyclops. Yes. In a real damn whirlpool. But it wasn't played by James Marsden, unfortunately. ⁓ Missed opportunity. Missed opportunity. But anyway, that is a very simple way of like the fact that it's gonna feel a little more fresh as long as you still do it faithfully with the right actors, the right themes and emotions there that are still from the original myth, but it's gonna feel more modern doing it now than when it was done in the 60s, because now is now. Another way to do it is also to change the myths a little bit. You know, you can modernize them a bit with like some Extra modern language, maybe some modern tropes, which Clash of the Titans is an example. It's the Greek myths and all of them are there, but it's very like action packed with the electric guitar score. It's very much like it is a two thousand ten action movie, and that's kind of why it's awesome. And it's just fun. It's cool and it's fun to watch. I love how she murked everybody on their team. ⁓ Yeah. That was funny. Dude, it was crazy. Honestly. But you can do crazy like that and it becomes a cult classic because it's just fun to watch. And that is okay. I think it's okay. It shouldn't be the only thing that this does. Like, I'm fine if we get some of that as long as like we can get some junk food. Let's get some vegetables or at least some like I don't know, chicken parm in there. Like get something with some nutrients in there too. Yeah, I I agree. Ca Clash of the Titans is an example where it is mostly fun, but it still feels cool because like people wanted to watch stuff like that back then. And even now, it's fun to revisit because it's a little bit nostalgic. That's really cool. That's why it can still be fun all these years later and it's okay. It's not the most fresh version, but there's a way to do it. Where is watching Oedipus with your parents on on the food pyramid? Where does that land? I'm not gonna touch that at all. There I don't think there's too many like double entendres with food that that's a very dangerous game to play. ⁓ my god, the most dangerous game. I think one thing I think one thing that we should think about too is like modern or like actually it wouldn't be modern now, they'd be like older, like two thousands, but like certain animated movies like Hercules or one of my favorites, Atlantis, it adapts it in a way that if you can get the tone right, it can feel fresh because it's fun and it's designed for like a younger audience. So you can actually make it fresher by simplifying it. So like I think that Atlantis is a very good movie with a very simple premise and a very like simple character arc for its main character. And he's likable. And it's got, you know, fun animation, fun music, really lively Disney type characters. And it does kind of do the thing that I said not to do, which is like make everything aliens or like super technologically advanced or whatever. But like because it's a kids thing, you can just make it fun and kids will get the base premise and it's fine. But it's a way of doing it without straight up adapting just like Atlantis itself. You know, I think there's room for that and it can be fun. Like there's the point is all of these things are very malleable and there's a lot of interesting ways to do it without losing the original point of the story. I think when it gets bad is when they do lose the original point of the story and they just decide to like, we're just gonna make this kind of look, you know, like Greek mythology, but everyone's just gonna be exactly the same. It's gonna be a generic action hero. It's gonna be fun. There was one movie that I did watch for the first time for this that I wasn't sure really counted because it kind of falls into like the folk myths as opposed to like actual, like like traditional myths, but it was the 2010 Robin Hood. With ⁓ I was thinking of that too. Yeah, so I decided to watch it the other day because it's on Netflix, and I'm like, all right, let me check this out. Cause it does that thing where they're like, We want to make Robin Hood, but we want to make it as grounded and historically realistic as possible. But they do it by like not completely accurately adapting the history either. So if you actually research it, it's not quite correct. But they're like, Okay, we're gonna set it during the Crusades. We're gonna make him a crusade soldier. We're gonna talk about all kinds of like alt historical laws and things like that. And like make it basically a historical epic, but it's Robin Hood, so it's a little bit heightened. And it was one of I don't wanna be mean. It was very boring, and I don't remember any of it. Well, for a better adaptation, you just watch the CW's Green Arrow. That's very true. That's a movie where like it they try to make it so much like every other historical epic. It's sort of kind of the thing that superhero myths do where it's not it's not exactly that this one is embarrassed about being a mythological story where like superheroes some of them will like ground it so much that it's not really a superhero thing anymore because they're embarrassed about like com being too comic booky. In this case I think it's that historical epics were doing so well that they decided they wanted to make it have the s same success as something like Gladiator. Right. Well it's Ridley Scott. And Gerard Butler. I mean ⁓ no but Russell Crowe. ⁓ I'm sorry, Russell Crowe. No, no, but no and what's worse is like it's not even like one is Gerard Butler and one is Russell Crowe, they're both Russell Crowe. I was just wrong. but no, but it's it's a thing. In doing so, they're like, ⁓ the we'll have this be grounded so people will take it more seriously, but all it does is make it more bland because then all of them kind of blend together and like You don't really emotionally care about any of the characters. I think the only character I really enjoyed watching was Kate Blanchett as Marion, because she's just great to watch. She has a great performance. They give her more to do than other adaptations do, I think, at least a little bit. I but I don't know if I fully agree with your take there. I think it's just a case where like if you didn't call the movie Robin Hood, we would think of it completely differently, because it barely counts. I I think it doesn't. count as a Robin Hood movie. It's just it it's it's a case kind of like what I was talking about before where you name the character this thing that we all have. Was it yeah it's actually a little more extreme than that in some cases because like Robin Hood I think never once steals from the rich and gives to the poor. Like he's that's his whole thing. Right. He doesn't do this in the movie. It does the so it does I think the term is Surf Dracula. I think it's what I think that's what it's doing, where it's basically so like Surf Dracula was like an idea for like the difference between how how they used to do TV shows and how they do it now. In the old time, Surf Dracula would would be surf Dracula in every episode. He would be a surfer, he would be Dracula, he would be doing all of those things in the one episode. Now, modern adaptations will take the entire film or first season to get them to the point where they would be the character that you recognize. And that's what they do with Robin Hood, where they make him a totally different person with like similar ish origins, but not really. And then the Robin Hood stuff that we all recognize, which is him living in the forest with the Merry Men and with Marion and like stealing from the rich, giving to the poor, he only does that at the end of the film. I hate those movies, bro. And they set it up for a sequel where he's There's lot of movies that do that, and I can't think of any of them, and I'm annoyed I can't think of any of them, but I know exactly what you're talking about. But there's so many. There's so many. It's crazy. Like it it drives me insane. Like that's like waiting for Spider Man to suit up until the after credits scene. Like Yeah. Yeah. I would argue too Mortal Kombat One is a little bit like that. Mortal Kombat One is kinda like that. Wait, which one? The twenty twenty one ⁓ version. ⁓ yeah. That's fair. But also these some of these myth adaptations do that a little bit. I I know what you're talking about with the Surf Dracula comparison. I think that is a bad choice for this. Like ⁓ yeah. Honestly for any myth, like you wanna have the same character journey when you're adapting it, or a similar one at least. If you're just getting them to the point where you recognize them, it doesn't make any sense. I think Robinhood gets away with it a little bit because we Have had a lot of movie Robin Hoods. Like, at the very least, if you don't like the 2010s Robin Hood, you can go watch Prince of Thieves or Men and Tights if you're like me and think that's the better version. I love Men and Tights. It's the best version. Or the Disney version. If there is a base level version, then we can do that. It's worth something that these could become the modern like conceptions, like. Think about fairy tales with Disney movies. Most of us think of Disney movies as the base version of fairy tales because it's often the first one that we're exposed to. They change things from the original. There's some really dark stuff in Snow White. I think the Little Mermaid dies at the end originally. Yeah. Don't her feet get cut off or something? So something crazy happened. Yeah. It's something insane. There's a few things, but I think she turns into sea foam at the end. Like she basically dies at the end. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think you're right. Which absolutely does not happen in the Disney version. If you talk to most people and say, ⁓ it's like the Little Mermaid, they're not gonna go, ⁓ cause she turns to sea foam at the end. Like that's not gonna be their reaction. I think it's okay, and probably based on like those original texts. That they're going off of. In some cases, there are. In some cases, it's just kind of collective agreements. Like, they are still doing the thing. Cinderella, like, there's not necessarily mice in that story that do anything significant, but they still do the thing. There's the glass slipper. She goes to the castle, marries the prince. Like, you check all the boxes. You did Cinderella. But we think of that as kind of the base version. What if we did that with? I I think the Odyssey could become that. No. The the the base version, right? Yeah, like in twenty years when people reference the Odyssey, I think they might be referencing Nolan's Odyssey. I could see. Because it becomes the most popular version of it. Like that's a thing that movie adaptations of myths have the power to do. That's a power that they should power responsibility. Use it responsibly. I think part of that means don't deviate too much, but also maybe give us a story that is framed in a way that can like be a touchstone in some way. And you know, Angel, you were kind of pointing to it earlier. Like, so much is based on these things. As much as we've been joking about it, Oedipus is a psychological complex. Narcissus, psychological complex, echo. The word echo. comes from Greek mythology. It's the other character in the narcissist story. I don't know if we want to do do you guys know about this? I don't actually. I don't remember it, but I know about it. That's interesting. Go on. I want to hear it. Yeah, so I this may not be perfect, but the way I remember the narcissist story in the book that I had is so we all know about Narcissus. He's the dude that is so in love with his own reflection that like that's his thing. He is so hot and thinks he's so hot that he can only love himself. Echo is this woman who I don't remember why, but for some reason she gets cursed with she can only repeat things that other people say. She's down bad for Narcissus, but she can't tell him because all she can do is repeat other things. So she goes and finds Narcissus one day when he's just staring at himself and he says, I love you to himself. And she's like, nice now I can do it. I love you. And then he ignores her because he can only be in love with himself. That's the story. So but the word echo comes from that. She can only repeat other people. Interesting. I did not know this story. I wouldn't have either. It's not a he's the black dude from Arcane. Okay, I haven't seen Arcane. But I don't know which dude you're referencing. The kid with the white hair. ⁓ his name is Echo, isn't it? Yes. ⁓ okay. I thought you meant I thought you were talking about narcissists for a second. I'm like, I I n I don't think that the character I'm thinking of is the right one. So there's a lot of things like that. How do you make Miss feel fresh? ⁓ rinse it in mouthwash and then have it drink orange juice. Not a fan. Explain. Otherwise otherwise we're going home. Evan has mentioned different perspectives, worlds, time periods, takes on characters, actors, directors. I mean it's already being done with some things that probably shouldn't be rebooted right now. Maybe equate it to themes happening in real life to make a version of the myth that acts like a time capsule. It's not a one to one example, but Professor X and Magneto were created during the times of the civil rights movement. And directly influenced by Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X, respectively. So they represent the time and are still relevant to this day because racism is still relevant to this day for whatever fucking reason. Well, and X-Men has also kind of been updated to reflect other types of bigotry throughout the time that it's been there. In terms of mythology, is there a myth that feels like it could do Like the X Men thing that you're talking about there, 'cause I think it's a good idea. But there's nothing that's coming to ⁓ like and I don't think everything is a time capsule for now. Well, that can kind of be updated. If that's a little bit timeless in the sense that it can reflect like a similar issue across different times. And I don't think everything should be held to that because I think most of them don't work. ⁓ Only thing that has recently come to mind that is an immediate reflection of real life was Daredevil Season 2 with the Antivigilante Task Force. Yeah. It's it's not a ⁓ myth, so to speak, but that's that's along the lines of what I'm saying. This maybe isn't the best example, but I know like V for Vendetta from book to movie, it came out in like the early nineties, I think, the book. But then the movie comes out. in 2005 and is set a little bit in the future, but it's very much updated to reflect like post-9-11 war on terror, Bush administration anxieties. Can we think of like characters or stories from mythology that can be updated? Other than Hercules? I was thinking maybe like just our conception of like military leaders and s well I don't know if he is, but he's at least like a strong man. And I don't know that the Disney movie does a good job of this, but it does very much present him as a celebrity. There's a great Lindsay Ellis video about it where she kind of makes this comparison where he's like this weird blend. Hercules in that movie is like this weird blend of like Rocky Superman and Michael Jordan. They kind of like pull from all three of those touchstones to be like, that's who he is in this world. They have like celebrity endorsements. Like they they do like an Air Jordan' Where they show somebody wearing sandals. Anyway, I do think there's a more serious rendition of that that you could do. Like one idea that I think is has always struck me as kind of weird that comes up across a lot of myths is like, ⁓ you killed the big monster that's nearby. You now get to marry my daughter and rule this whole kingdom. Yeah. Okay. Did he prove he could do that at all just because he like. Is kinda strong and like chopped off the head of this thing. What gives you the right to run a government, Dave? Just because you killed the Minotaur. I feel like there's been an a ⁓ not like an adaptation, but a story told of that where like somebody did do that. Stop me if you know what I'm talking about. Somebody did do that and like they d were not fit to rule and they like Maybe they gave it up. I don't know what I'm talking about. I mean, low-key Game of Thrones. I don't think it's quite like that, but you kinda have Robert Baratheon as just this like brazen, like he just kinda loved war and was like he always talks about it like it's the glory days, and he's like, I don't really care about ruling that much. That's the thing too. ⁓ but I will say in that case, it's a little less simplistic with him in the case of like Like it's not the same as like, ⁓ if you kill the monster that's been torturing the town, you get to be mayor of the town, right? He led a rebellion against these people. He's just not a good political leader, but he did lead the rebellion, which is like how governments get overthrown. He could have just stayed general. Yeah. But he could have. But I think it was the principle like he just wanted to be king because he won and he wanted to be the winner. I think that's what it is. That's our episode here. Our next one's gonna be the Odyssey. 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