Annette: This is the that life mirrors. My name is Annette.

Johanna: We have some problems with our connection so we'll in and out a here. you can have... what's it Patience, if that sounds bit weird. Exactly. What did I I said that I thought it was so nice that it is implemented with new instructors today. with voluntary management and the and also that... My is Johanna. I'm going sharpen my...

Annette: We might have explain that sometimes if we snort or laugh in the of the episode, it's because we've had some kind trigger when the because recording starts, it was a day where we laughed so we couldn't breathe. And sometimes it Yes. sometimes comes. Yes. Yes. In countdown. And sometimes it's hard to on. So then we start laughing. if it a clip.

Johanna: Yeah, exactly. And it's... numbers 5 to 1. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The teacher takes up a of this with, for example, you have a boss. How does a boss about being rewarded? And have you tried different types of rewards and such? So I think it's fun. It will good discussions. And then I also when you sit like that, that I always to find something in the...

Annette: What are going to about today?

Johanna: We're to talk about our education today. Exciting! what I hear, even if I think that I can And mean, you also trained in care? These old guys mentioned, you've heard them a hundred times. So it's easy to tone out somewhere like that. Yeah. I had to think about it. I'm a person.

Annette: I'm I thought I shouldn't spoil this you. We both have had some meetings with our studies this weekend. So we're pretty... Shall I start? And what by these old guys is Pavlov and Skinner and them.

Johanna: Yes, exactly. And you have taken every psychology lesson and every other one. And plus, as a dog owner, they are the foundation in many things. But I think that challenges me by thinking about whether I can find something new in this, a new angle in this or is there something... Mm? Mm? Shall you start? Yeah?

Annette: Where should I start? It felt so big. What I do is... I am an educated dog trainer. But I'm about professional dog trainers. You get dog trainers as But then there's the of a senior coach, a health care coach, expert. When I'm done, that's I am.

Johanna: So it's interesting. It's really interesting. It's fun. And above all it's fun to follow the To follow my own heart. That's the most thing.

Annette: And you were also... before we were to record there, after we had been away for while, we hadn't talked for We were just how are you? And you were also like, I'm so happy that this was so good. And what we have been through is the valp part, senior part, the health care part and now we are starting to little more into this behavioral part. there are many parts and a lot that...

Johanna: Yes, but was really a good lesson. And course, sometimes you feel like, oh my god, this? But at time, I think it's also a question

Annette: that is in progress but also so much that is hanging together. And something that is with this education as it's not just not just learning facts, this is how a senior dog when gets older or this muscle is good to train for or if it gets hurt it works like this. It's like, are

Johanna: You might have been a dog that long, might have had your first dog or you might have had a dream of this for several years and then you to an age where now I have the to do this, it's still an investment. So I might be a little more restless and think, well, increase the tempo.

Annette: But that's not what's important in education, because it's really important to learn those things. But what I would say is that the of it is that we get so much from how we it.

Johanna: I was surprised and had a chat last night about things that I think are good for I'm to start with training dogs now. It's to so much fun. I'm so excited. It's going to so fun.

Annette: This is we learn. How should I use it? For me and for my... How should I bring it to the dog owner? Because the way I use it, how you this muscle, is perhaps different than how you would use it and pass it to the dog owner. And there is so much about it that we work with. And this training weekend that we were on, I did...

Johanna: Then I'm out to practice. I have one I'm interested in contacting. Where I can get the social work because that person has people with different functional needs. And also several different dog work settings. I'll contact them and see if they have opportunity.

Annette: I feel like to bad word, because then it like we're talking about a senior dog working this way. And not what we've been during the weekend, but finding what... What kind of training do

Johanna: We're to have training dogs that don't look like our own. And... Yeah, exactly. lesson training. And then I think... I for me it's... I I think that when you opportunity to have three, maybe two dogs that have problems.

Annette: Mm. I privat lektions träning eller... Mm. Mm. What should we contribute to the world? What is our way of giving back from what we get and learn? So it's a lot of development, like these meetings we have, and course a lot of focus on knowledge. But when you have knowledge, what do you with it?

Johanna: or what you should call it. I don't like these words, they're problematic. But behavior, need, or the need to work with different behaviors. And then something completely different. Or one with behavior. I'll see, I'll think about what I should do. Yes, exactly. I want something that is a little more challenging.

Annette: So right now is a lot that is... I always there is so much that is going on and that you have to get into. And it's okay that I have to get into it. Now I what it is my way of conveying it. Mm. Mm.

Johanna: When you are on your way you like, this what I wanted? That this education you gave me, and at first I wasn't sure if I do this or not, then I on it, do you feel like, this is what I wanted to do? And it's not because there's something wrong with regular training, but I want to something that's more... Where I can think about

Annette: And it's also a thing like because an instructor usually doesn't with behavioral but you're either. When you're done with your journey, think you won't be the one who holds this regular course life either. It's not where you should be, so I understand that you're outside. Mm, ja men det gör jag. Och för mig var det också så... I think the this education is built on is that you go to the in me as dog company. Or also very much me as a person, but that it me as dog company, becomes a lot.

Johanna: For example, you think of Kara from her situation or many other dog situations, I want to an alternative. I have a dog that is reactive. You may have a contact with a behaviorist or you may even eat medicine or whatever. Or you walk around and sit and...

Annette: When you dig a lot in that, you dig a lot in yourself, in who you are. And I think that was very important to me, I was a dog instructor before and I have worked a little with it. But there were things that made me feel that when couldn't it, I couldn't stand And that was probably because I missed my identity as a dog company and as dog instructor and who I am in that.

Johanna: I YouTube all the for help. Then maybe you want to be like, okay, how can we the with something more that strengthens self-confidence and self-feeling without looking at the behavioral part? Because I think you should differ on training.

Annette: to have a daily life course and think it's pretty fun, but is it, how can I it in a way that it becomes genuine, it becomes something unique and genuine that maybe I can give and only I can give because I am me. And do you that? And it's like, me to find that is very valuable in...

Johanna: My job as an instructor is to teach people to train their dogs. And counter behaviorist who is the psychological part. So it's more that I want to a little more challenge. Then of course it's fun with a couple walk. Because then you see a pretty quick result. And above all that you can wake up...

Annette: I think that's why I talk so much about we talk about going to get help or finding instructors, just this, you find that instructor or behaviorist who is for

Johanna: Well, the dog owner. Because often you are stuck in your own thoughts. That's what it's about. What makes it difficult is that you are stuck. So we'll see what I can find.

Annette: Because if yourself as an or behaviorist, it is also certain type of person who can take it. And to find that makes what you can give so much more valuable than if you more generically instead, which can be good, but it is different form. It's very interesting. What we are now in my education is just behavior, I said, behavior, knowledge and behavior research. So it's very interesting.

Johanna: It's exciting, very exciting. And then it would be fun to out because I think about in practice I that... I choose something that I not have done before. choose because I want to see something more that has more directions. also because... What could one say that you feel stronger in your identity in this new one that is growing up than as dog instructor? Because I think now you are all in in this. And when you were an instructor, or when you still an instructor, but when you were in that you also another job and you had, I think you had a lot of other things around you too. So would you say that identity feels stronger now as professional dog person than what you did then? I want to get more this social effort in the whole thing. I think, and we have some places that Uppsala that you can turn to.

Annette: I think I could have gotten it as an too. Or if I say, now I only situations as an instructor, because this will be a further education for me too. But had this been, had I gone... I will be little confused, because when you say practice, think that what you say is also practice. That's what we're We don't have practice where we're to someone else, our practice is that we actually hold private training or lessons. an instructor training with many these contents in it, I could feel that it was valuable and it gave me something and it could have me where I was but it would have let me to another place because now when it becomes this big whole, it also becomes much, I think, much bigger. But I think I could have this journey when I

Johanna: Yes, both are I think that she might mean that when you go out in practice you should go with another instructor and for example have a daily class or something like that. And could also be the But I would like to... I'll get the there so we see where you up.

Annette: Again, situation-wise, if I only read to instructors, I could have found a way there that was more unique to me. Where to land? I think both are valuable. To see something that is something else, but also to go next to someone who has a course the final year is also very valuable. Because there you will learn a lot. Both about what you want and what you don't want. and now it's a little funny because what I read was about ten years ago I I read it to an and it's the same educator I have now but I as a person during these ten years from what I read to an instructor to now have also developed and made a journey in a completely different way where it has been professional dog that makes that now when I stand in this and the teachers support and help to find In the same way as if you go to someone who has a different orientation, will also get different view angles and impact angles on the encounter of dogs and what they see profession with dogs that you may not see as a dog instructor. So it's very valuable to have together. I think it will great for you to be forced to start working with dogs I've nagging a little about Start it up. You already enough. So you can start. You don't to wait. I was not really there when I could take it. And then is also so that maybe you have to...

Johanna: Yes... Yes... No... But I actually started! ⁓

Annette: Even if you're not really in the class you might have to in something that feels safe. And you have a daily course that is designed like many other daily courses, because that's what I need to feel like I'm I already done little. it also that, besides my personal development during these ten years since I was an instructor, I had also tried to be that.

Johanna: I have started a small scale, but I think that's also something that... somewhere like that, yes, but I could start and then, on a larger scale, plan it from when I busy day, I could do that. Because I don't think I'll fix it after a night, example, and have a course. That's not good. ⁓

Annette: again, situation is the same as instructor, to be to see where to go, which becomes something else. There is a lot of which is very valuable to get, because I think that's where I really landed, and I hadn't reflected on before I applied for education, but when I applied education I thought I would get lot of knowledge.

Johanna: It's good for the it's not good for anyone. No, but it will be exciting to see, it will be exciting to come out and then above all it will be exciting to see because one of these people I have thought of contacting also in ⁓ both sound courses and ⁓ a little nose work and little agility and little something that I may not be so... ⁓

Annette: I think I have never thought about how much I had grumble about how I it. So I'm very happy that we have got Otherwise, if I had just taken the knowledge, I would have been to get to the where my way of about how to convey it is quite locked.

Johanna: It's that I'm uninterested, but it's not my sport. But can still be fun to be there and see. So we'll see where it I'm not alone

Annette: I started by saying that we have recorded this before and then I up asking myself where we should be, what we should do when we done. What should you do when you done? What do you want work with? Where do you want to up when you I in my term it would have something would have boring. I like to be in development and then also to think about how to develop what I learn. different ways. It could be that I have learned the same thing but I have maybe three ways to explain it.

Johanna: Yeah. No, I'm done with my Or what do think? Aha, my goal. What I want to I want to in having a rescue center.

Annette: or three different courses that are the same but the courses are completely different. And that it becomes a development, rather than a one-sided... This is how myself to mediate and that's just how I can give it. That you find other ways as well.

Johanna: that's what I want to up in. Rescue Center is an international word, I want a dog stable, so to that's to be filled with rehabilitation and return to life. And I want that first and for these dogs that are so debated and that scare so many people. And then I'm not just about the type but also Then it sounds like the personal development is... much bigger now than before. You are in a different situation in life than ten years ago. when you are accepted and you are process person and you like this process, you get something much bigger out of I want to create new opportunities and opportunities together with people who also get new opportunities. That's my dream.

Annette: And that's I'm going to say, because we are ten people who are this edition now. And we are ten people... very different people who also create very different journeys. And that's something that's also very inspiring to follow, because we all get support in the personal development and we get support from where we are. And it's so powerful to see, and it's so nice to see that you and I get the same knowledge material and we also this coaching in personal development, but that can take us to totally different ends of the spectrum. And I think that's so nice and so cool. And something I really like about this and how this group has become, and that I actually have say that the teacher has put up that it should be for us, is that there will be no competition in it. Rather, you will see that you do this Shit, how cool that you do that. But doesn't you think that I have do that because you do that. It can be an inspiration to see that you do something is entirely for you, but that I should do. Or, okay, but she does that, I can take this bit and then I put it in the here and turn it around in this way, then it will something that takes me forward. So it's not just her own journey, can also take part in others' journey.

Johanna: I also think... I think that what used to be dreams has now become a goal. I mean, for me was a dream to become an But do you that you work or do you I think so, since you go to the same education and more of you are since earlier dog walkers, because it's dog walk like you, don't that. It's dog walk and it's like, nothing strange about that. But I think so. And it's an old dream of mine, very old dream of mine. then, in the of... I you're old, so in the course of development of social media and internet and everything, everything has become more tangible than it was before. And now it feels like... Well, now it's one of the dreams. Reality. So then...

Annette: Mm, mm, mm, mm. No. Yeah, they were on stage. Yeah. ⁓ no.

Johanna: Do you that you also work together? For example, we have had Anna with us, who has a lot of knowledge. Do you that you work together across the Is it like, I have a customer here who has this, and I know that you work with that. So you back each other up in that way too.

Annette: So what's What's next?

Johanna: feels like I'm following them.

Annette: And I think it has be like As I said earlier, can't... Early in a journey you can't make sure that it's where you're You can have the that it's where you're but then things change along way when you're open to where it's to And that's when it's right. Mm-hmm. ⁓

Johanna: it was like a neighbor told me, ⁓ I complained about Kara one day, ⁓ neighbor said, what? You wanted that next dog after Khan would have more energy. ⁓ that what you ⁓ Then thought, that's just ⁓ thing, you have to take ⁓ for what it is, here ⁓ life. ⁓

Annette: a feeling of competition. So there is a feeling of... I have have this customer and I can't share it you because it will a risk for my income. like, we work in this way and follow each other's journey and can do it in a way where we actually back and support each other, makes you get away from it. And I think all, I think the world and the dog industry, benefit from it in the run. That you get away from it, that you and I can't, we can't talk to each other or we can't

Johanna: And he's right about But no, but I also that it's pretty cool because I can feel like I get I get sometimes I get very impressed by younger people who no matter girl or boy who have their whole out they know exactly what they want and where they should and like hey and but I can also feel like it's pretty I get get pretty happy about myself and in myself when I think that

Annette: Because then it a competition. If you can let go of then everyone will win in the think. That's how is, and it's nice to be make We can also make that this idea but I haven't really gotten into the I think it's good, or I don't know how it would work in practice, then you can make it too. I think like this, what are your thoughts? And that can do both, that I'll keep it the way I thought, or that...

Johanna: I'm 55 years this summer. I've worked for many years and I've been involved in things in life that have affected me and shaped me. But I never stop to give myself new chances, this one with the instructor and the senior coach.

Annette: Okay, here I to think about it. is no prestige in that. It's really nice. Really exciting. And something I also say is that...

Johanna: Exciting! Very exciting! It can be anything! I mean, what, ten years ago there was even the New Year's No. I don't so.

Annette: It can sound scary, but if I start a dog training, I want to start training because it's a dog. I just know about dogs. I to have to challenge myself and think that feels uncomfortable or scary. I haven't done that much before. there is also... I don't know how it will look, because I know that this training will go on. I don't know how it will be shaped, because you adjust it in some way.

Johanna: I've seen it somewhere else, but I think Sandra is pretty lonely about it.

Annette: And I that's good. It's also something that needs to be That's why we as dog companies and in the dog industry need to be open to development. Because what makes the seniors not have anything? Of course they do. And then we to open to go there.

Johanna: Yeah, yeah, of course they Yeah, but that's how it And it's also like I think that...

Annette: and then Jenny on Bergehundar who is responsible for the Jenny is a coach for people and she really a great ability to push a specific level. So you have to be afraid to push yourself to a limit, where you it or it will too hard.

Johanna: It is an advantage that things have progressed in our society. The possibility of development is enormous. You can develop both personally, from the and outwardly. But you can also develop in your profession as a dog trainer, behaviorist, nurse, doctor or whatever it is. There is infinite amount to collect. ⁓

Annette: Again, we can get the same material, but she would push you in a different way than she does me, so we reach where we need to, without it being too scary.

Johanna: Then might need to do your research and maybe also do some soling in all this so that you exactly what is right for you, not what is right for everyone else but what is right for you.

Annette: And is also a lot of knowledge you get with you. A very good knowledge, fact-based knowledge as well. and that's what's right for you. We talk about in this episode, that when you're find the right instructors or right behaviorist, you should also find the right educator for yourself. That it's also different, depending on where you are or who you are or where you want to

Johanna: It's exciting to see that you've become so active in social media. You had a damn sport last week. was shocked. Every day something

Annette: It's really exciting. Yes, yes. it's planned. Something coming every day this week too.

Johanna: If you a dream, if you a goal, then maybe you can pick up pieces from everywhere. I picked up a training that I want for the what should I say, for the dog.

Annette: But that was one thing when I got home yesterday, because I got home from weekend yesterday. was Friday, Saturday and Sunday we were away. And then I hadn't finished the for Sunday. And then thought, well, I'll them, because today is Monday. Today I really going to in a reflection on the But then I said, no, I'm not done with the homework for Sunday. I'll it on Sunday when I get home, I thought.

Johanna: I have picked up one coach and then I have hired the senior coach from one and then I my instructor from one. So you can pick up what you want and what you are for. ⁓

Annette: I don't know how, but I've been like... I've gotten a lot of energy, but I'm also very tired because I've had so many processes. But I got to play around with it. And it's also something that...

Johanna: Hahahaha!

Annette: And that can also be very good, because then have different perspectives on different things. And if you have the person's perspective in different situations, also her own perspective. I think it can be scary to do this in a That people will follow my process. But creates a nice atmosphere where you can do this in safe way. I said this when we were leaving this I am a person...

Johanna: No, so that's good. Yes, that's...

Annette: It's great. It's great fun. We'll see where we We'll to an update when we're done or when we've done for a while and where we've gone. Well, until next spring. But... I like social connections, but that's where I get my energy from. I get my energy from the dogs in the But after these two meetings we've the first one was isolated in a cabin in the middle nowhere. No internet, nothing. And I left there with energy. I hadn't even felt that my social network was running out and we were isolated in a cabin in the winter.

Johanna: Now you're done with yours.

Annette: It's only the of year that we get more dog knowledge. Then in the spring it is allowed to go even deeper into what we with this knowledge. So now, up to the end dog knowledge is parallel to development. In the spring it is pure development. So it's a very nice... It's built up to be safe.

Johanna: Well, they are... I mean, Sandra... You can't be more grounded than she is. I mean, are people who wouldn't expose their students to something that is painful or leaves people hanging in the air.

Annette: I don't know exactly what it is, but will be company development because that's we're about. I heard that it's done for the Year or for winter, but you don't The education that comes in this education is done then. No. No. No. No. ⁓

Johanna: No, never.

Annette: It can be emotional in these when you are in this and they are very careful not to leave you in that, now we into emotions, do we need to before we move on next part. So it's all the time, you're not in something that's unfinished and the shakes under it, but they see that, okay, now we're so you are. And you work on We'll see when you're done ⁓

Johanna: I have some kind of expectation that I will be done in September with it and with Senior Coach. ⁓ So those two are done. And then some other projects that we may discuss further in podcast. So then we'll see. ⁓

Annette: You are on flat ground and are calm. So it's really nice.

Johanna: That's good. I who see you, think you look very happy and happy. You can see on YouTube. If you watch on YouTube.

Annette: Now you're a little again. But you, I think, because now you're back, so think that those who listening heard this, but I think we'll end what you were going say, and then we'll end this so that it doesn't get too hot again.

Johanna: Yes, It is something, but I don't think it's about you. I think it's in that case that we're on...

Annette: Yes, if you look it. ⁓ It's always so exciting. Before I was going to my mom and brother were here. They me what I going to I had no idea. I don't know. You don't know where we are and what time we are going to there. But what we are going to But I know I will get what I need from there.

Johanna: Yes, exactly. it doesn't get... No, but that was just what I was to That was just it, really. That was just that... No, in September I'm on being done with dog instructor and senior coach and then I'll continue to some other things. And so on. So I'm counting on being done in September. Yay!

Annette: Yay! Bra! Kul! Ja?

Johanna: We'll see. And now, if you have listened to this and maybe have any feedback or questions or whatever it could be, you can email us at hundensomlivetsspegel at gmail.com or visit us on social media, hundensomlivetsspegel, Instagram and Facebook.

Annette: I'm I'm going to but some things are I have a basic idea, have this feeling I want, but I don't know exactly how I it or where it from. But also you open up because it is... I just say that it would be very interesting to hear from someone who is standing there thinking that they want but don't really dare. I like to hear that from you. What makes it scary to that step? and that it's exciting to explore where it's going or what it is. Right now I'm little ready for the next steps that I've come to take.

Johanna: Yo!

Annette: So it won't be like Johanna who has been through this dream for long. And then what have you been for 20-30 years before you started it. So I'm here thinking, us, we want talk more about Yes. Yes, really.

Johanna: It's going exciting to I know a lot of you're So I'm sitting here holding myself to some... I'm not to leak any information. No, but it's fun. No. No. Yeah, 20 at least. Yeah. Guaranteed. If you that, you will get super pep to follow your Yeah, well that's Then we'll so. Yeah, have a good one. Bye!

Annette: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Johanna: No, you shouldn't do that. You shouldn't talk too much about what's coming, it comes when it comes. But it's fun that it leads to development and I think that not only dog development, but also personal journey and... The company, how the entrepreneur... Oh, someone is It's exciting. I saw on the how started to up. Social media stuff from different dog owners who were on the same course. It's also fun to see. It's always inspiring for people around you. It's fun.

Annette: I want it in my bedroom. I think it's important, regardless of much get in your education or not, when you are is important to think about who you in this industry and how you handle yourself. Because how it is, being an entrepreneur is tough. you haven't started and you know you have a buffer or that company will really go around regardless of what you It is also an economic risk that becomes a psychological pressure. then becomes like dog companies, when I meet a customer, even if they are on a course or something and it is a product, it is me who is it. And that can also be very sensitive or tough. Because if I meet you as a customer and you are satisfied or you are questioning something, can feel like it's me as a person that you are questioning. And you have to have something to deal with And it will be much easier if I am constantly in that this is me as a dog owner. When you meet me ask me what I'm doing, I'm this it. And I'm more confident about than feeling scared. You can feel anyway, but it's easier if you a core that you're confident in. So I think that when you're on your way to becoming a dog instructor, you should thinking about finding your own... point in a way, stand firmly in that. Bye!

Johanna: I'll just move a little bit more. Yeah, it's good that they're tired.

Annette: Yes, they are tired. They haven't been with me, but they are tired anyway. And it's a bit lucky that they are tired, because you are bit slow. It becomes some kind of... Even if it's energetic, it's also an exhaust. But... What are you Or where are you?

Johanna: What do I Where am I? I'm also for instructor's education right now. And I'm also for the senior coach. After some pressure. No, I'm just That was my wish. And I'm the senior coach at Hunsteg. and that is something I love about the seniors and I would love to contribute to something to them, an improvement and change and also to help the owners of senior dogs, maybe build a little... pleasant and less tense everyday life. you start quite early when the starts to change, you start to that fear for what is to come. And that's really fun. So that feels good.

Annette: It could be that Sandra and have talked about this education this weekend. No, but it wasn't like that. said, Johanna is going to the senior coach now. She said, yes, know. she felt that this was right for you too. And she that.

Johanna: Yes sir, okay. ⁓ No. Yes, yes, yes. You had to write an introduction, a letter about yourself, your purposes. And I went crazy, also because I like I care so much about these old It's the old people that no one understands, and the senior is my favorites. So it feels really nice to have started that journey as Instructors are really fun. And then it's also when you a years on your in the world, it's a lot of knowledge you have with you, from the perspective But it makes me Also, what I read to instructors is that it has come with this, for example, handling and the needs Like, you should look at race types when talking about rewards and things that. makes me so happy yesterday when I sat on the I pressed that hand all the time. Because I think it feels right for the That it is implemented at the instructor. I think it feels great.

Annette: It's important to get involved in different aspects and perspectives.

Johanna: Hmm.

Annette: Even if you dog experience, you may have had one or two breeds. Maybe different breeds of the same type. And then have have these discussions where there is a broader perspective. Because when I went to my instructor's school, I only Chinese stray dogs. It very unlikely that all my customers will have Chinese stray dogs. You have be able to... Just because I have had a company breed, I also to understand the hunting breed.

Johanna: Yeah. ⁓

Annette: It's important to hear the discussions openly and honestly. Now you're frozen for me.

Johanna: Sweden is big and you are so stupid for me, but we have stand up for each other's voices. Do you me now?