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Adam Hogan: got a I Remember a story we're in Guatemala I'm sitting there in the lobby of the hotel and I'm looking at a skateboard and Lane Harris is nowhere around He's on his way to the airport You are ⁓ halfway to airport if I remember correctly you ⁓ Evan Kinnear: and then it continues module advanced prosthetics and full digital workflow where occlusion, vertical dimension, aesthetics, condyles, and execution ⁓ all converge. Adam Hogan: At the jeopardy of missing your flight, you turn around, you come all the way back to the hotel where I'm riding your skateboard, buddy, I'm sorry, but I am riding on your girl and I'm taking your skateboard. And you nearly missed your flight to get your board. So I have to ask you, where does the board rank in the hierarchy of your life with your wife and kids? Evan Kinnear: And then we have Module 3, which tackles remote anchorage, pterygoids, zygomatic, complex anatomy, taught through biomechanics planning for predictable outcomes. Fast Lane: Oh, oh, it's, what a good question. It's low in the hierarchy of family and life and kids. It's, it's low. mean, I like the skateboard. You know, we all have these, these physical outlets and emotional outlets and skating is for sure one for me. But, yeah, you know, you chose a, you know, like ultimate priority against, I don't know. That's a valid question though. I guess. Evan Kinnear: If you're looking for a lab that understands immediate load, passive fit, and the demands of modern all-on-x dentistry, ⁓ Learn more at JBDentalLab.com. Tell them that the all-in all-on-x pod ⁓ you. Adam Hogan: Yeah, I know. Fast Lane: You know, that is something significant. But I do, I do, that's a good story. I like your version better, you know, like ⁓ your elaboration a little bit better than how I would have given it. But I do, have to thank you, man. I'm scatterbrained when I have a couple of things going on at one time. And ⁓ yeah, dude, I owe it to you big time for pulling that for me. I was just like, ⁓ man, where's my board? You know, I hadn't left the hotel yet, but I ⁓ had left it over by my luggage and I was just like walked away from it. And I hadn't realized that I walked away from it. And there you were with it. I was just like, ⁓ my gosh. Adam Hogan: You Evan Kinnear: And after the continuum, we have modules in FP1 fixed immediate load and also business, how to 51020. Adam Hogan: ⁓ okay, okay. Evan Kinnear: this is business leadership and operational strategy so that can build surgically what actually in practical business. Fast Lane: Dude! Yeah. Yeah. Adam Hogan: It was a much bigger stretch ⁓ of time in my mind at this point. was a few years ago. Yeah. I envision you on the airplane and you're like, hold the airplane, I'll be back in a half an hour. Fast Lane: Yeah, your version is cooler. Evan Kinnear: If you're ready to go into full arch dentistry with intention, structure, accountability, and purpose, you can learn more at theatlanticimplantinstitute.com. Fast Lane: Well, that would track, the only thing that wouldn't track with that story is, you know, that's how I would have gotten to the airport probably is on my skateboard. Adam Hogan: ⁓ you would never have made it. Yeah. ⁓ that's cool. Well, let me kick this off officially. So welcome back to the all in all on next pod. I'm your host, Dr. Adam Hogan. I've got a very special guest right here. He's a good personal friend known him for a long time. ⁓ well, I will take you down down, you know, the, road of how we know each other, but where a lot of podcasts talk about techniques and dentistry and surgery and pros and sometimes business related stuff. Fast Lane: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Adam Hogan: ⁓ I think I feel like today we're gonna talk about thinking I think we're gonna talk about thinking Dennis and probably philosophy purpose Personal growth, know, you've got so much that you give to the world aside from just dentistry I'm excited to have you join me Lane, you know, you've trained with me at the Atlantic Implant Institute and in Guatemala And you've been become my longtime friend. So, you know, I think tonight we're We're talking about what it means to pursue excellence in life, not just in dentistry. I don't know. You might take this in a different direction, but Lane Harris, welcome to the show. Fast Lane: Thanks, man. Yeah, and everything you're that that preface is beautiful. That's you know, there's a million things that you and I could just talk about and it's just good to get to talk to you again. Actually, I was thinking about the setup and I was just thinking, man, I would have loved to do this live. I miss you, man. It's really great to talk to you, but it'd be great to see you. But yeah, those touching points that you just introduced, those are my favorite things to consider. know, like dentistry is rad, surgery is rad, and it's important to understand the nuances of technique. Adam Hogan: Yeah. Yeah. Fast Lane: right? And biology, and there's so much we can learn from each other to help us improve our ability to care for our patients. But, ⁓ you know, that's just such a small facet of life in our existence, right? Even though it makes a big part of it, it can't be all of it for sure. Adam Hogan: Sure, sure. No, absolutely not. That's what I love about you, mean, you have so much energy, before we get into it, because people are going to wonder who are you, give us just a quick biography of you and kind of how you're in dentistry and where you practice. Fast Lane: Okay, right on. Yeah, I'm Layne Harris, ⁓ shoot dude, I don't know how to even introduce myself. I swear, I feel like I'm a, I don't know, like a 15 year old kid and like a 15 year old body with white hair. Adam Hogan: Yeah. Fast Lane: But, you know, with responsibilities of an adult man, you know, that's how I think I am. Yeah. I'm just a guy who lives in Georgia and ⁓ grew up in Utah and I love the outdoors and I like dentistry and I don't know, dude. That's a bad intro. Adam Hogan: I love it. I love it. No, it's, mean, okay. So you're a humble guy and really a lot defines you way, you know, way outside dentistry, right? So I love the way you said, I'm just a guy in Georgia and I do some, whatever I do some implants, I do some dentistry. You know, you're, you are well versed in the full arch procedure and I love your humility about it. And I love how it doesn't define you. You know, everybody God, do you ever feel like we're just so wrapped up in teeth, you know, with every lasting minute of our waking life? Fast Lane: Yeah, dude. Yeah, it's easy to sort of lose yourself. mean, there's, you know, just, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, professionally it's easy to just, I think, lose your identity. But I think that's kind of, it's not been that hard for me, just because even when I was a young kid and I was just kind of like, like I've always worked my whole life. When I was nine, I was a paper boy. When I was like 14, I was a janitor at the junior high school. And then all through high school, I was a janitor. You know, I've always worked. And then I remember like, you know, planning ahead, starting with the end in mind, trying to think about what kind of life I wanted, how I would provide for a family, ⁓ what would be a ⁓ job sector that would provide some reliability and security. That's kind of ultimately what had me in the direction of dentistry. But I remember thinking when I was young, like, I never want my identity to be like lost in my profession. Like, yeah, I'm a dentist, but that's not who I am. You know, like, ⁓ there's a million ways to to make a living, ⁓ to earn the resources that we need to meet our needs. ⁓ And I'm grateful that I'm a dentist and I enjoy it, but it's not the only thing I would enjoy. And it's certainly not all that I am and all who I am, you know? Adam Hogan: Yeah, well anybody who has known you, Elaine, for five minutes is, you know, I think they can sense that. When you first came to our course, I don't remember, it was a couple years ago, I can't remember which course it was. Do remember where you first met us, which course it was? ⁓ Fast Lane: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was, yeah, I won't forget it was a good course. I met, know, Keith Kloss there. was like one of my really best pals and great mentor. And I'm so grateful to know him. Yeah, it was 22, I think. Yeah, process and digital in 21 or 22. Adam Hogan: It was one of my first classes, first set of that I actually officially did at the institute. But my wife, Ellie, she came to me and she's like, have you met that guy, Lane Harris yet? was like, I think we said, yeah, I think I said hello. I really haven't had a chance to spend much time with him. And she's like, he's on something. Fast Lane: ⁓ man. Adam Hogan: I was like, what? She's like, he is just, he's a, no, and then she goes, don't get me wrong. He's an awesome dude. Like he's so energetic. I think he might be on like the crack cocaine, you know, he might be doing the white powder. I don't know, you know? And I was like, okay, I got to talk to you. And then on the first break you were talking to me and it's just like this infectious energy of positivity. You're not, I don't believe you're on any drugs other than high on life and positivity. Can you confirm that? Fast Lane: Yeah. So I get caffeine from Mate. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Today's episode is sponsored by Mate. Adam Hogan: Okay, is that a sponsor now? So you're highly caffeinated, but you always have a positive. mean, tell me, do you wake up in the morning with that? Is it just natural or does it take, is there like a prep routine you go and you get up in the Fast Lane: Yeah. No, you know, it's funny, I've been asked that a lot during my life, is like, hey, do you ever get down? You know, like people on the outside are like, hey, do you ever get down? Just because I'm easily excitable. You I get pumped up about stuff and it's good. But I get down too, you know, for sure. Adam Hogan: I haven't seen it. I believe it though. think we all have those moments in time. You know, I mean, even I wake up in the morning like, I don't know. I don't think I can do it today. You know, like, and then you just got to get going and then it all like turns out all right. Huh? So what do you, you like things outside of dentistry? see you camping. Um, what hiking skateboarding, what are you doing? Fast Lane: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. ⁓ yeah, I mean, I'll do a, I just try to find balance, right? ⁓ Physical outlets, ⁓ you know, for my body and my health. Skateboarding does that to a degree. I play a lot of soccer. I'm on some adult like rec leagues. I'm not good at it, but I have a lot of energy, right? So I can run around a lot. That's our, no technique, but I can, I can be all over the pitch at once. Yeah. And I like to, I like to just get lost, you know, like, Adam Hogan: How good? Yeah. Right. Fast Lane: Growing up out West, was really lucky to live in a state where like 60 % or more of all of the geographic landscape is public land. So you can just wander off anywhere you want, not see another soul for a few days and just feel like you're the only person in the whole world and just explore. And so, you know, at least once a quarter, you know, I go on a good trip with one of my buddies or maybe twice a year if it's not, I'm not as lucky, but yeah. So, I don't know. Yeah, I just tried it. Adam Hogan: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Fast Lane: just try to live intentionally and plan out my life. In fact, in the concept of this conversation that we're having, if I were to grab onto something that would be useful for anybody else to listen to, I would just probably talk about how I think the most powerful tool that you can accomplish is ⁓ contemplating. accomplishing a vision of what you want in your life and then making a plan and sticking to it. And, you know, I'm not always good at that, but I think the greatest ability, the things that contribute to the most balance in my life and any achievement I've ever had in my life are all really secondary to just that simple principle of vision, plan and follow the plan. And so kind of like these things we're talking about loosely, like, okay, ⁓ you what do I do to keep balance and why do I, you know, I'm doing a lot in my life, right? Like I do, I go on a lot of camping trips and, um, you know, I, I have a pretty well balanced life where it's just not dentistry, dentistry, dentistry, dentistry. Like I have a family that I'm really grateful for is pretty healthy. You know, I would say these things are kind of secondary to me trying to be as intentional and possible as possible, which is really just a byproduct of, what do I want and how do I structure that? Adam Hogan: Mm-hmm. Fast Lane: And then how do I operate that? Adam Hogan: Yeah. Balance, work life balance. So everyone loves that. You know, they like to talk about work life balance, you getting work life balance, work life balance. You hear it all the time. I really I hear more people say that that I think really have no true idea of what that really means. They're like, ⁓ I'm going to have a work life balance. ⁓ But now is not the time. I'm building myself. I'm building my career. I'm going to do it later. I'm going to do it later. I'm going to do it later. You're one of the few people that I really know that puts that at the forefront. Fast Lane: Thank Adam Hogan: of our lives. Like, how old are you now, Lane? Can I ask? 39, frigging jealous, I'm 51. So awesome. You know, I feel like it's not even something that I got until I was like after 40, you know, but you see so many people 25 and 30 and they're putting their kids and their wives on the back burner and their free time and they're just work, work, work, work, work. You know, you get up and you make a point to do it. Do you do this on a Fast Lane: Yeah, of course, dude. Yeah, I'm 39. Adam Hogan: Do you schedule or block out time daily, weekly, monthly? How do you how do you put those pegs in your calendar? Yeah. Fast Lane: You wanna see something? ⁓ You see this guy? The old agenda. know, one of the best... I mean, honestly, seven habits for highly effective people, Adam Hogan: Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. Fast Lane: I think that's the greatest book in the world. ⁓ So, so good. But, you know, I just like, I got like this little, ⁓ you can zoom in. I just try to like make a map of like time blocking, you know, like think back, okay, what are my priorities in life? And where do I need to allocate my attention? You know, all we have as long as we're alive is attention, which is limited. It's limited resources. If I'm talking to you right now, which is great, I'm grateful to give Adam Hogan: Mm-hmm. Fast Lane: my time to you because I'm getting something, you know, like you're giving your time to me. This is beautiful. You're my pal. I'm getting something from this and this is enriching to me. But I'm simultaneously not giving my attention to my kids or to my patients. So that's a limited resource and it's also a factor of time. You know, we'll also only have so much time. So anyways, if we can sit back and consider, all right, what do I care about in this life? Adam Hogan: Right. Yeah. Yeah. Fast Lane: Here I am, I'm alive and I have limited attention. Like, what do want my life to look like? Then you can just focus on where your attention goes and then just try to block out times for it and then just show up for that time. Anyway. Yeah. Adam Hogan: Mm-hmm. Yeah, I'm with you. I am still a big written guy, but you should see my Gmail calendar. It drives my wife nuts, but there's all these blocks in it, different colors. you know, family blocks are in blue. And you know, whether it's like, I wake up and it's, well, I'm skeet shooting tomorrow, or I'm golfing with my 19 year old on Wednesday, ⁓ or I have a date night with my wife tonight, but you know, I'm putting those blocks in my calendar. Vacations. Got one Vegas in July, got Croatian August, we got Jamaican November, we're gonna book St. Barts in January for a birthday. But I'm always putting those in because I know when I'm at work, I'm like slammed. Like I know I'm slammed. And I appreciate you, friend, for allowing me to be late today. You know, it's a Saturday morning and I have all these things I wanna do but my one year old son Brecken is on the floor and he's playing with this soccer ball that talks. And I just like. I'll tell you, to be honest, I just sat down and we just played with the soccer ball for a while. I was like, he's gonna take a nap in 30 minutes, but he's looking at me like I'm his superhero and I just gotta play with him for a minute. So I appreciate you letting me be late today. Fast Lane: Dude, yeah, you're welcome, I think that 10 minutes or whatever it was, man, that's more valuable, right? Like what are you getting and what are you getting? Adam Hogan: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well, I love you, man, but that kid's only gonna be today old one time. You know what I mean? And I'm sure after this, you probably have plans with your family. mean, I don't know what it is, but it's a Saturday. Yeah, so it's good. You're checking all the blocks. I think you're doing it right. So advice for young dentists, I mean, we're kind of covering it, but... Fast Lane: That's it, yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Adam Hogan: You know, what do you, these guys and gals are getting out of dental school, they've got so much to learn after dental school and so much room for growth. I mean, we really never stop growing, these are the, you know, pardon me for saying that, you you've accomplished a lot after dental school, but these are the babies in our field. And what do you say to them starting a family, starting dental school or starting their dental career? Fast Lane: Yeah. Yeah, I think ⁓ this is probably the part where people will skip forward if they're listening to this podcast. It might be really relevant to them. ⁓ I do, the last couple of years, I've been invited from my alma mater, Creighton, ⁓ to go lecture to the ⁓ graduating students about postdoctoral education. so I have sort of a lecture prepared that sort of ⁓ focuses on this a little bit. But ⁓ you know, ⁓ In the last few minutes, we talked about life balance and making sacrifices ⁓ for a different part of our lives and how it's hard to manage and balance the sacrifices versus keeping the balance. ⁓ The main thing that I try to ⁓ encourage dental to realize is when they graduate from dental school, they have a license, but they're ⁓ probably not at the level of competency ⁓ to where they want to be operating on a high level of productivity that will really support them professionally for the rest of their career. And they still have a lot of development to do, right? You get through dental school, especially these days, and you are minimally qualified maybe, ⁓ especially experientially. ⁓ You pretty much are just competent enough to know that you're not going to harm people. Adam Hogan: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Fast Lane: not necessarily that you're going to be doing an excellent job, much less be extremely productive in your office setting. So I just try to, I think the best piece of advice I can give anybody, and I still take this advice present day for myself, because we can never stop learning in this, you know, in our field and developing ourselves and you're a living testament of that. But the point is, Think back to dental school and how rigorous and arduous it was. It sucked. It was very difficult. But also, kind of like going to the gym, you're strong dude, Adam. I know you know what it's like to lift some heavy weight. You still do that. But the point is, you keep doing it. And when you quit, you lose the muscle. I'll just try to succinctly. ⁓ I like the concept of lifestyle creep, right? ⁓ Think back to dental school and how rigorous and arduous it was. It sucked. It was very difficult. But also, kind of like going to the gym, you're strong dude, Adam. I know you know what it's like to lift some heavy weight. You still do that. But the point is, you keep doing it. And when you quit, you lose the muscle. But the idea is, think, sorry, dude, I'm so wordy. I'll just try to say succinctly. I like the concept of lifestyle creep, right? Adam Hogan: Mm-hmm. Right. Mm-hmm. Right. Yep. Yep. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. No, you're fine. Fast Lane: All of sudden you have a higher income, you start buying more things. But think of lifestyle creep in the context of you graduate from dental school and you no longer have these heavy exams weighing on your shoulders. So you take a deep breath, you relax, and you stop studying and you stop developing yourself. And I think that's the worst thing any new grad can do is to all of sudden experience a lifestyle creep in learning to where all of sudden it's not important to them anymore. All of sudden you have a higher income, you start buying more things. But think of lifestyle creep in the context of you graduate from dental school and you no longer have these heavy exams weighing on your shoulders. So you take a deep breath, you relax, and you stop studying and you stop developing yourself. And I think that's the worst thing any new grad can do is to all of sudden experience a lifestyle creep in learning to where all of sudden it's not important to them anymore. So what I did, I was gonna do perio. All through dental school I was gonna do perio. I worked part time all through dental school. I worked in the private office of our department chair and I was really lucky and fortunate. He taught me so much and I did externships in perio residencies and I interviewed and night of the match I withdrew my app because ⁓ I won't get into that. But I decided not to do perio but I decided to do like, I still wanted to become competent enough to do those procedures in private practice. So I decided to do a DIY residency. I graduated and I spent a lot of energy looking up different courses and different sources of education that would allow me to understand and learn as well as I possibly could to the same quality and equivalence that I would get through a CODA certified perioresidency. And so while I was practicing, my family would go to, you know, my wife and my young kids would go to bed at like 9.30 or 10 and I would study from 9.30 or 10 till about one in the morning. Adam Hogan: Mm-hmm. Fast Lane: just like I was still in dental school. And I would go to courses and continue to study independently from textbooks and lots of didactic information. So the point is, don't stop studying and don't stop studying at the level of rigor that you were doing when you were a dental student. Anyway, I was so worried you asked me like one simple question five minutes ago, but the simple answer is, Adam Hogan: No, it's good. Fast Lane: Don't get lazy in your development. Don't get lazy in your workout routine, in your educational workout routine. That's, yeah. Adam Hogan: Yeah. Little steps every day amount to miles and miles and miles throughout the course of the year, no matter what it is. Yeah. Fast Lane: Make a block in your schedule. Make a block in your schedule for one hour. It's crazy. People spend, you know, like $10,000 for some good CE for a weekend. That's going to be 16 hours a Friday and a Saturday, but they can't spend 16 hours on their own. They don't have the personal discipline to just spend 16 hours blocked out on their schedule in their closet, in their home study or whatever environment they want for free. Adam Hogan: Yeah. ⁓ Uh-uh. Fast Lane: from a great quintessence textbook. Adam Hogan: Right. Yeah, I have a on my morning every day at 430 to 6 AM. And one day is academic and one day is physical workout. And that's my time to build my mind and build my body. I'll alternate every day. On the weekends, I do it later. But I get a little sleep. But you've got to put in the work every single day, every day. Fast Lane: Beautiful. That's how I learned Spanish, One hour, every single day, I studied from a grammar book for like two years. And I just kept, and I got okay. Yeah, well, I'm not, so I use it every chance I get too. If you talk Spanish right now, this podcast would be in Spanish, because I would use the opportunity to practice it, and then it would have to have subtitles for all the, I don't know, I would have to use, anyways, yeah, dude. But the point is, one hour every single day, know, over time, over time, over time. Adam Hogan: Yeah. Your Spanish was impeccable. you Yeah. The young dentists, they tend to get out of school. And one thing I commonly hear is, education is so expensive. I'm still paying off my dental school debt. And I mean, my advice is like, consolidate that loan, whatever. Forget about it. Just pay the monthly thing. But I think you're going to spend at least as much in postgraduate education as you did on your dental school over the course of your career, probably. I mean, it's going to be hundreds of thousands of dollars. And if you're not investing in yourself, why are you doing it? Where are you going to go? Where are you going to be next year? Lifestyle creep, know lifestyle creep, you know, another thing that comes to mind is ⁓ When you said that not just professionally, but personally people making a little bit more money and they keep on spending a little more money and they make a little more money they spend a little more money and they I see in this business that a lot of Poor dentists with a lot of rich things around them, right? Not a lot of life savings not a lot, you know, they don't own their home They haven't paid down their debt, but they keep on acquiring more cars more skateboards more guitars You know? Fast Lane: only good thing I have in this closet was before I was even a dentist. You know my biggest expense since I'm a dentist? Actually it was probably yesterday. Yesterday was like the first skateboard I bought since I'd been a dentist. Anyways, yeah man. Yeah go on, your point. Keep going, keep going. Adam Hogan: I'm kidding. I know. ⁓ huh. No, I see them living outside their means and you know, it's just it's a struggle because the more you buy the more that you have to work and You know the more you go in debt the more you have to work and then the more you miss your family and then the more you can't take education because it's expensive because you have all these things, know, I I had a friend in dental school. He wasn't even graduated yet. He bought a $90,000 like avalanche and he's like I'm gonna be a dentist. I'll be rich. Do you know any any guys or gals? Dennis Fast Lane: Yeah Yeah. Adam Hogan: that are only in dentistry that are rich, rich without their parents' money and without other side businesses. Fast Lane: I mean, I don't know. I don't know people's personal, you know, positions. That's the tricky thing is on the outside it's hard to really tell. But I love the point that you made a second ago about like, you know, time. The more you spend, the more you have to work. And what do you have less of? A much more valuable resource, which is your time. It's so finite. I like honestly the way I think of things in terms of value. I mean, I enjoy dentistry and I enjoy taking care of patients. And I would love to be into the position to where I don't have to do it as an obligation, to where I'm looking at patients and thinking, okay, I have to get money from you today. I just want to help these human beings. That's a much more fulfilling and purposeful way to practice. And I don't think that I would enjoy dentistry if I was looking at patients as prospective ⁓ transactions to support things that I... I'm obligated to pay for. And I think that's something that really allows me to enjoy dentistry and it really aligns with my purpose as a human in my existence. But the main thing is, if I can reduce my expenses as much as possible, then all of sudden I have a lot more freedom of time and energy to devote my attention to things that are very meaningful to me. One part, serving humanity by helping people improve their quality of life. Adam Hogan: Mm-hmm. Fast Lane: Another part, investing my attention in very meaningful relationships with human beings that I love, like you or my children, my wife, my friends that I get to go camping with. And I think that's just it. We're sort of walking around how to create this balance. And sure, we all have financial responsibilities in our life. We have to have somewhere to sleep that's going to cost money. We have to have food that's going to cost money. We want to be able to have the ability to go on trips and have freedom in our life. But the best way to do that is by trying to create Adam Hogan: Mm-hmm. Fast Lane: ⁓ some sense of financial security. But the best way to do that is by minimizing your expenses. Adam Hogan: Yeah, yeah, I agree completely. I mean, I had a I had an ex wife who, you know, had to live in a 5000 square foot house and shop a lot and, always run up credit card bills. And, you know, that was a whole nother life. And I'm always trying to make the I'm always trying to, you know, get the monthly number, get the monthly number. And I mean, I have a new, you know, I have a new lifestyle, you know, and a great you've met Ali and have been married 10 years. And, you know, she doesn't need much and I don't need much. You know, we have a smaller house and we don't Fast Lane: stuff. Humans! Humans don't need much, dude! We don't NEED much! And the more we try to get for wanting more, it doesn't satisfy us. It doesn't, dude. Adam Hogan: You know? No. No, we don't. Yeah, I love it. I just struck a chord. I love it. Fast Lane: Do you see this shirt? This shirt, I bought it in like 2013. I bet 90 % of my clothes, I mean, it helps because I'm the same body that I had when I was 15 years old. So I can still wear the clothes that I had when was 15 years old. But like legitimately, what do we need really to be satisfied and fulfilled as human beings? And the more we chase things that are not fulfilling to us, the less fulfilled we're gonna be and the more... Adam Hogan: Right. Right. Yeah. What do you need? Yeah. I love it. Fast Lane: We're gonna invest of our of our life essence in pursuit of those things which will continue to not fulfill us and then we're you know We're upside down man. It just in the context of like of money and value a perspective I also like to consider is You know currency or money like in a bank account or something like that. It's just potential, right? It's not used for anything at the moment when it's in an account. It's just their potential energy Adam Hogan: I know. Mm-hmm. Fast Lane: to then be exchanged for something else, whether we exchange it for food or whether we exchange it for clothes or whether it's, whatever we're gonna exchange it for. But think about what you gave to earn that potential, right? You gave your attention and your energy and maybe some emotional stress, you know, perhaps we give a lot. I mean, you definitely give your attention and your time, right? Those two non-renewable resources that are the most valuable thing that you possess. Adam Hogan: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Fast Lane: as a conscious entity. You sacrifice the most valuable things you have, your attention and your time, in exchange for some potential. And then if you never use it, what was that for? That's a net negative of your most valuable resource for something that wasn't used. Or you exchange it for something of very little value. An article of clothing that sits in a closet that's so big that you never use. Again, it was a net negative. You literally wasted your most valuable resources, your existence, your attention and your time for something that means nothing. So if you can minimize those expenses and maximize your existence, what you give your attention and your time to, then I think you're gonna have a lot better life. Adam Hogan: Mm-hmm. Yeah, I love that non-renewable resource of time is huge. Let's just say that again, non-renewable resource of time. you know, I mean, there's a reason my business courses how to 5, 10, 20 and not 20, 40, 60. Right. Because, I mean, like, can you imagine like when you do, I don't know how you are, but I do. I think I know how you are, but I do pros, I do surgery, I do everything. I'm not just like just doing surgery. So when I do like 18 arches a month, it's like enough like past that. Fast Lane: Yeah. Yeah, ⁓ man! Adam Hogan: Past that, I'm not seeing my family. I'm not at home, you know? So it's like, that's why it's 5, 10, 20. It's all what kind of life do you want to live? I spent so much time as a younger dentist, you know, I had a lot older patients and they would go, when I retire, I'm going to do X, Y, Z. And I'm going to go, when I retire, I'm going to travel. When I retire, I'm going to go see my kids. When I retire, I'm going to do this, that. And then what you see is one, they're not healthy. They live that whole life and they never travel because then they're not healthy. Two, they never see their kids because... Fast Lane: Dude! Adam Hogan: They taught their kids growing up that you have to work 70 hours a week and now their kids are working 70 hours a week. You know, so the time you spend with your kids now is going to be time they spend with you later. You know, I coached my kids when they were little. I'm pretty sure they all want to be coaches growing up. You know, they want to emulate you. They're going to want to be little lane Harris's. It's going to be scary to think that there's a couple more guys just like you guys and gals. Yeah, dude. But you know, you got to balance it. You you gotta spend your time now wisely, because you're not gonna get it. Fast Lane: Man, I love that. I was in, I mean, again, when you're first graduating, ⁓ there's just so much you don't know. So much you don't know. And pretty much what you do know is what you're exposed to, right? Which is social media, ⁓ which is ⁓ in most cases, like some huge exaggeration of reality. ⁓ And I don't know, when I was first graduating, was, ⁓ I didn't know. thought on one hand I had some friends. We were listening to podcasts about, you know, like making many DSOs and then growing into bigger DSOs and then selling out to private equity. Cause this was, this isn't like, you know, the 2018's graduate in 2018. And I have one friend who did, you know, he went out and did that. And a couple of my upper classmates that were at Creighton with me, they were They were really entrepreneurial and really successful dudes. anyway, so I was surrounded by these people that were really business minded. And I thought, you know, one part of me thought that's what I wanted to do. Like, okay, this is what people around me are doing. Why not me too? I'm gonna go out and start a practice and start multiple practices and try to, you know, grow, grow, grow, grow, grow. And, you know, I still have never done that because I really don't think it aligns with who I really am. Adam Hogan: Mm-hmm. Fast Lane: And I think, you know, maybe that is for some people, but it's certainly not for me. just can't within the context of what I find fulfilling in life ⁓ and how much attention and energy that would consume and take and the deficits it would create in other areas of my life. I can't see how that would be healthy or an enjoyable existence to me at all. So, but I guess my point of bringing that up is it's hard. when you are first in this field and in this profession to have a good context of what you're capable of, what is normal, what you should be doing, what you want to be doing professionally when your exposure is really just social media and peers and I don't know, different things like that. It'd be nice to have some insane amount of money to be able to just have financial freedom. But for what? Again, back to needs and life and existence. For what? What are you going to do with $20 million? What you going do with a billion dollars? Why does anybody need a billion dollars? I think it's an interesting thought exercise for people to think how little, what's the least amount of money that you think you really could have peace in with your life? Not how much, but what's the lowest number? Adam Hogan: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Right. Fast Lane: But how can you bring your expenses down as low as possible and still have a very fulfilling life? I think if people can really give an honest consideration to that, I bet you it could allow them to do some changes that would give them so much freedom. So much freedom. Adam Hogan: Right. Right? Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Start downsizing. Start downsizing. Downsize your house, downsize the number of cars you have, downsize the number of shirts you have in your closet. I mean, all of it. It's funny. You know, when Ali and I bought a house 10 years ago, the banker's like, I'm like, we just want, you know, like a half million dollars on this little ranch. And they're like, hey, Dr. Hogan, Dr. Hogan, Dr. Hogan, I can give you like three, five, $7 million for a house. I'm like, why a? Fast Lane: Yeah! Yeah, dude. Yeah. Adam Hogan: Why would I want a $7 million house? Like, get the hell out of here. I like what you said earlier. I I just want all my debt paid off. By the way, it's about quality of life. live, I'm in my office in full implant choice. The institute is between me and my house and my house is a mile point two away. And you know why? Because I don't have to commute in traffic. All that time is time I can spend with. Fast Lane: ⁓ man, that's the life, dude. That's the life. Adam Hogan: family, my kids, my wife are sleeping or doing something at the house or whatever. That's that in my old life. I was on the road two hours a day, you know, for a 500,000 square, 5,000 square foot house, you know, and none of it was worth it. None of it like downsize downsize downsize. I like that. What you said. I like what you said about figuring the minimum that you need. How much do you need? Fast Lane: Go ahead. What, what, what'd say? Yeah, also downsizing like you can you can inverse that like so I mean we're talking about downsizing our financial obligations. But what is that providing that's really allowing you to upsize your experience in life, know, upsize your freedom to focus on the things that actually are fulfilling in your existence. mean, what some you know, tomorrow's not guaranteed, man. Everybody is going to someday die. I'm not trying to get dark on you. Adam Hogan: Yeah. Fast Lane: But it's important to acknowledge, and I'm not saying like hardcore YOLO either, but I mean you can balance this concept, you know, yesterday's gone, tomorrow's not promised, today's all we have. So make sure you're not just spending all of your time consumed in gathering, you know, this potential to be used for some other time. Adam Hogan: Mm-hmm. Cause I'll tell you the dark side of that. Cause my wife, Ali, before she was helping with all our businesses that we own and whatnot, running the management of our practice, she was in litigation in law, in litigation for inheritance, for probate, for stuff like that. And all these rich people dying, it just creates a bunch of families that are fighting over everything they have. the families aren't even talking anymore. And what's in mom's purse. And their last $5,000 or $5 million. But you're gone. and you're maybe a picture on their mantle or bookcase for your kids and maybe your grandkids. And then in a hundred years you're gone. Right? Now hopefully your spirit, you know, your spirits probably still alive. It's still out there in the airwaves in a positive way. I hope, you know, and maybe there's a regeneration and maybe you're coming back as your grandkids kids. I don't know, but I hope so. That would be really cool, you know, but you're on this life one time and you can't take it with you. Fast Lane: Yeah. Yeah. Adam Hogan: I what are you gonna do with it? You know? I love your philosophy. It is. Fast Lane: This is a beautiful conversation. I was just gonna ask you what you're gonna do today. know, like, hey, Adam, in context of this, like, what's on the agenda? But you already told me, man, like, you got, you're go spend time with your people, right? Adam Hogan: I was up, I was doing my high rocks workout. We built a really, we built a nice home gym outside. It's like this CrossFit thing. I did that and then I saw my baby boy in the window and I brought him out. I said, let's get in the pool. We've already swam, made him breakfast. We played, we already played outside. We already played soccer ball and then I'm here talking to my best friend Lane. And there's more family stuff after this. So it's like, enjoy your Saturday. Where a lot of doctors are probably... at work on a Saturday because that's convenient for the patients and I get my best production on a Saturday, et cetera, et cetera, or they're trying to grow or whatever. And I mean, when's their home time? When is your home time? I don't know. Yeah. I get that. What are you doing with the rest of your day? Fast Lane: Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna help clean up the house a little bit. I've got some ⁓ friends coming over. We're gonna watch the USA Germany game. ⁓ And my son has some soccer games tonight and we might go swimming at our neighborhood pool. Yeah, just, you know, just spend time with human beings that are special. You know, I think, again, taking a step back and just trying to consider what are things that make the greatest contribution to our quality of life, I think. Adam Hogan: Cool. Fast Lane: One of the most valuable things are important relationships in our life, right? And you're filling your day with meaningful relationships and those people that contribute to your existence in a positive way. ⁓ And same, yeah. Adam Hogan: Yeah, I agree. Speaking of being around, you I wish this was in person. You've already been to digital workflow. We're going to have that in September. I want you to come back and spend some time with Keith and I. OK, put it your calendar if you can. All right. Yeah. And we'll just do this. We'll just do this pot in person again with Keith. It's all about good meaningful relations. Fast Lane: Dude, I need to. I need to. I know. know what's so funny? I think about this every once in a while. I remember when I went to your course, you're like, hey, Lane, would you mind, like, ⁓ it seems like you're excited about this. You're having a good experience. Would you mind just like leaving a little like a video testimony on it? like, yeah, I'd love to. ⁓ But I do, I get so camera shy. Like, it's easy for me just talking to you, because you're my buddy and it's easy to just chat with a pal. But like, man. I don't know, sometimes I freeze up. Do you remember, did you watch those videos afterward on your iPhone? You gave me your iPhone and you had to leave the room? Because I was all nervous and I was in your office by myself. I closed the door and propped it up and I had all these tapes on your iPhone. I bet you watched them later and like, what the? And then you didn't post any of them because I they were so awkward. I think you should go back and post them. I'd love to see how awkward they are. I'll make you a new one. Oh man. Adam Hogan: I probably. I will go back and look for him. And if I didn't post it, you know, it's so bad. I mean, time, it's not that I didn't like it. I'm going to go back and find them and post them. But, know, I, do these courses and then I get right back into my work week the next week. And back then I didn't even have an administrator, anybody helping Allie and I with the whole thing. So we were gathering all these testimonials and whatever, and we're gathering all these photos and then like nothing would happen with it. So we're trying to do a better job about that lane. It's not because I didn't love it. I'm to go back and find it. Fast Lane: ⁓ MY- Yeah. It was bad. It's because it was so bad. I remember feeling so awkward about it think I did like seven or ten takes on your on your years or at least phone so funny, but ⁓ No, I even just the context of man. I'll tell you what I Have all these cases so many so many so many cases where I'm just like I get done I'm like damn that looks so good. I'm so proud of myself, and I'm so happy for that patient. I got posted stuff I do pretty good work. You know like man. This is rad. I got Adam Hogan: I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fast Lane: I gotta pimp myself a little bit. But, ⁓ the last thing I wanna do is just like spend 20 to 30 minutes like curating a post on social media. It takes so much energy from me to like, to boost myself. Ugh. Adam Hogan: ⁓ god. Yeah. This is where, you know, Fast Lane: Anyways, yeah, I totally understand not, you know, boosting up every single thing that you could. Adam Hogan: Yeah, I mean Thursday is like a big day for us to deliver finals. You know, this Thursday we had like four or five finals or Coney is going out. Every one of them was a unique story. And I'm just like, ⁓ God, they should all be posted. But who has the time to go back and get all that stuff? I don't know how guys do it. You know, I'm looking to hire a full time person just to be a photographer, a videographer, like a hundred percent of time. But Fast Lane: know how. Dude, you need like an entourage or something like that. Like how do you go around experiencing your life? You know, it's like, it's like, what is that show? Like a Bear Grylls, you know, like he'd set up his camera and then he'd walk back and then he'd walk back and film himself walking back. Like everything he did, he had to do twice. It's like, can you imagine doing that with your life? You don't have time to live your life and then simultaneously document every single thing in your life. At least, I mean, I think some people are really good at that and they find fulfillment or, know, like. Adam Hogan: Yeah. Fast Lane: I don't know, it gives them energy to kind of promote themselves a little bit. But I don't know, to me it just sucks energy out of me. I'd rather do other things. That's hard for me. Adam Hogan: It's it's a it's for a guy like me that has an institute and i'm trying to put stuff out there but I don't I really I like I post five percent of what I should you know, it's just i'm i'm out there living i'm doing the dentistry and i'm not posting about it You know because I don't have i'd rather be doing the dentistry be at home with my family You know, it takes a long it takes an hour to put together a really great post, you know I mean, I know that there's social media can kind of like make them look Fast Lane: Yeah, dude! Yeah. It does, dude! Adam Hogan: You know, you see all these animated things, they look like trailers for movies. ⁓ Fast Lane: Dude, it's so funny! It's so funny! The production value on some of these like posts or like snits and stuff, it's just like, what the heck? Adam Hogan: Yeah. Yeah. Well, how do you feel about that? I'll tell you, like when you see all these like super animated AI generated posts about, you know, some institute or some case, how does that make you feel? I mean, is it entertaining? Do you get value from it? Where are you at? Fast Lane: I mean, it looks sick. When you see like the this beautiful like pre-op and then like perfectly aligned is like the the CT and then the surgery and then the implants. It's just like, damn, I want that. want to do that post. But also, I don't want to spend an hour of my personal time at the end of the day doing that post when I barely have again, like when I block out my life and I have to get physical exercise and I, you know, like I was talking to my son just yesterday when we driving about like time and ⁓ the things that we need to make sure we're investing our energy into every single day, you know. between, I mean, minimum of eight hours of working time every single day where your just focus is going on to that plus trying to sleep eight hours, that leaves you, anyways, I don't have time. Adam Hogan: Yeah. Fast Lane: I guess that's why you pay a lot of people like that's what where there's all these boy There's a lot of marketing companies that are happy to take your money and market, know make you look cool on the internet Adam Hogan: Yeah, I've tried a few of them and the posts always come out so dull and benign or they're not relevant or they're talking about sinus lifts or some root canal stuff. I mean, like they just don't get you. Right. I mean, we have programs that we can drop this pod in and it'll spit out 20 reels. Right. They might not be relevant, you know, or the write up might be, you still have to go through and like edit the write up, you know, or if you care about it at all. ⁓ it just, it's not, I haven't found anything out there that's completely automated. Fast Lane: Yeah. Yeah. Adam Hogan: I mean, there's a few, I'm playing with a couple right now, they're like, drop it all in there and if you link your Instagram and TikTok and Facebook and YouTube, we'll automatically populate all of them. It hasn't come out very good, you know? Do you feel like, is it just me? I know that we're just starting the AI wave and I'm a huge fan of AI because I think it's gonna help us in so many ways, but I feel like I'm already... over it to some degree? Like I want the authentic human. Like I just want to see the doctor talking or see this or that. Is it just me? Fast Lane: No way, No way. Yeah, like I think authenticity is gonna be like the new highest value thing because we're getting to the point where, and this is a hot take conversation and kind of like, I guess it's very relevant currently, but I think we're just gonna get to the point where it's going to be so difficult to be able to determine what is authentic or not, right? I remember, you know, like a year and a half ago, you'd see AI and everything had six fingers on it, right? You know, or it was cross-eyed or something. But now it's hard to tell. And so, yeah, I think there's gonna be a big pendulum swing back to like, okay, you know, what's normal, right? What's real. Adam Hogan: Okay. The hand, real quick on that. The hand is so difficult. Elon Musk talked about, I saw him on stage in LA last year. He was talking about his robot and the one thing holding it up is the hand. They can't replicate the human hand. he was talking about how complex it is. AI and the hands. My wife, I was like, Hallie, I really want you to finish your sleeve. I want you to get a sleeve, like me. And she wants a sleeve, so she puts herself into AI. And she's like. Fast Lane: ⁓ interesting! Adam Hogan: She's already gorgeous, right? But there's this gorgeous picture of her with this great sleeve and the hands look like an orangutan. They look like she's doing this, right? And the hand, this is like going off into the shoulder like these big old monkey hands. It's like. Fast Lane: That's not funny! You gotta post that I want to see it. I to see Ali's orangutan hand or you can send it to me You don't have to post it for everybody. Well everyone wants to see it Watch this video like this video if you want to see Ali's orangutan hands Adam Hogan: Yeah. I'll post. I put it up before. I've showed it. I've showed it before. I'll put it. I'll put it back up. Yeah. It looks just like her with this huge sleep, but the hands are terrible. Yeah. I mean, you see these videos though and ⁓ on social media and it's like the doctors play, they all these implants are going in, but there's explosions like some Rambo trailer and boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And they're entertaining, but are we learning? I, know, that's kind of the, I, I, Fast Lane: Okay, alright, alright. Dude, it's so funny. I was, yeah. No, but but I think I but I like again, what's the man purpose behind everything right? What purpose behind everything? I don't think the purpose of those are are so educational as they are. Check out how badass I am. Right. Which which is effective. I mean, I guess for for from a marketing standpoint for education, I think it works because the the target audience is like this guy is badass. I got to learn from him. You know, maybe, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Adam Hogan: Yeah, it gets attention. It does. It gets attention. I do like it for that respect. I think does get attention. ⁓ Man, we've got ⁓ this has been such great, I think, ⁓ you talking about life and somebody that truly work life balance. Just ⁓ real quick on the dental side, ⁓ you started out DSO, right? After dental school. ⁓ No. Fast Lane: No, you know, I'll tell you what I did. Man, I've got a funny story. I was all over the place, man. just, all I knew when I was graduating is that I didn't know much. I didn't have any mentors. There's nobody in my family that was a dentist. I just knew I had a lot to learn. And I knew that getting into one practice would allow me exposure to the way that that practice was operating, but that's a unique, every practice is so different. Adam Hogan: Okay. Fast Lane: So I was just trying to find a good job that would allow me to really stretch myself. And I looked at offices. I considered offices as kind of like a treadmill. And I didn't want to be on a treadmill that went up to five if my pace allowed me to get up to seven. You know what I mean? So I wanted to get into an office that allowed me to really stretch myself and measure myself and see where my limits were. So I was trying to find different. jobs and busy offices and I was trying to like use office productions. ⁓ You know, reports is kind of like a measure of like, okay, if the office is this busy, I expect I can get in there and have this type of a patient. Anyways, I couldn't decide. Like when it comes to with big decisions and myself, it's very difficult for me to make decisions. ⁓ I ruminate and just like get analysis paralysis big time. But ultimately, I chose two different offices that were four hours apart from each other. like what one guy wanted to hire me and I was just like, all right, well, I'm looking at this other job and I can't decide between the two of you because they're both wildly different. And so I just told him, all right, I'll work Wednesday, Thursday, Friday in your office. I'm going to work Monday and Tuesday in this other office. And so we moved to Dothan, Alabama, like near near the Florida border and we were living there. And that was this busy super GP office. And this guy supposedly was like doing two million plus by himself and he you know, really needed, he was just, ⁓ the guy, his older partner that he just bought out had retired and he just needed somebody else to come in and help him with all this production. So was like, cool, that sounds great. And he was doing a broad array of procedures, which was good, cause I graduated from Creighton and I did, you know, like ⁓ a ton of Molarando in dental school, a ton of bony impacted wisdom teeth in dental school and full mouth attraction in dental school. Like there's no specialists at Creighton. So I had a pretty, high competency in a broad range. Anyways, and then the other office was really focused on surgery and in Pross. And so I was just like, you know, that was what I was leaning towards. And I concurrently had created this postdoctoral curriculum for myself that I was following on my own schedule. And I wanted to make sure that the things I was learning, I had the ability to implement those things in a practical, in clinical setting. So I wasn't just learning and not using it. So, Adam Hogan: you Fast Lane: on like Sunday nights or Monday mornings. Usually Monday mornings I'd get up at four, drive two hours to the office in Gadsden, Alabama and work in that office for all day Monday till like 6 p.m. And then Monday 6 p.m. till like midnight, I would study. I'd just stay in that office and study. And then I'd sleep in that office and like sponge bathe in the morning and then work Tuesday and then drive four hours home and be with my family. Adam Hogan: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Fast Lane: Tuesday night, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Anyways, so that was like the first six months. That office where we were living in Dothan didn't really pan out the way that we were hoping it would. So in retrospect, know, I'm really grateful that I kind of leveraged myself into two different positions because, I mean, you're kind of vulnerable when you're a new dentist and you're just taking a job somewhere and you're just hoping that it's going to be good for you and you move your family there. Adam Hogan: All right. Fast Lane: So the fact that I had the two jobs worked out because that office in Dothan, he didn't let me do hygiene checks. What he was trying to do is build a Medicaid office within his office and have me be the Medicaid doctor. And so he was trying to do that. He was just gonna continue. No, yeah, yeah. He told me, yeah, yeah. So he told me, hey, I have all this stuff. I need help, I'm over my head. want to, you know, I want, I want. Adam Hogan: But you didn't know that? You didn't know that? Fast Lane: to work less and I have all this production for you. So I get down there and suddenly he doesn't change any of his current production. Doesn't allow me to do anything in his office with any of his current patients. And he's just trying to build a new Medicaid business through me in his office as an associate. So yeah, it didn't last very long, but thankfully I'm adaptive and I had another position and that Dr. Gadsden was a really good human being. And he, know, when he found out that like, I'm down there and I'm like not producing anything. I'm sitting on my hands, like literally sitting on my hands for like hours of the day. So talk about a treadmill. This treadmill goes up to one and a half while this other doctor's running at 10 telling me he's too busy. And I'm sitting on my hands at one when there's work to be shared. Anyways, so the other doctor is just like, yeah, I'll take some time off so you and your family can have more work since your other thing's not working out while you can figure something else out. So then I went into a private, excuse me, like the public health office. to buffer the other days. And then we moved to a really super busy office that was like all in office financing. But then I just didn't get paid for anything because everything was in office finance. So I was really productive. was running at like 11 on the treadmill, but just not getting paid for it. then anyways, I'm just telling you about my, but it's good. I got so much experience. I had a lot of experience and learned a lot, but. Adam Hogan: Right. Uh-huh. I love it though, yeah. The young dentist can certainly, it's a tough road trying to figure out from dental school, you know, where are you going to go? Where, you what are you going to do? I loved, I love your approach though. You're like, well, you know, I'm going to make myself available and I'm going to try different things. You drove four hours or something you said, you know, to go to work. mean, who would do that? Like, that's amazing. I love it. It's great. And then you, know, so you have the Medicaid experience, you you've seen the private practice. That's like the guys on steroids, but not sharing, you know, you've lived it all. Fast Lane: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Adam Hogan: And that's a, I hear this a lot though with young dentists getting out the expectations and the contracts that they're given are so unilaterally one sided, you know, and, I'm not saying that they, that to some degree they shouldn't be a little bit. mean, the older doctor, the incumbent he's earned his, you know, he's paid his dues. Yeah. Yeah. Fast Lane: ⁓ boy, yeah. And taking a risk on this practice to some degree is bringing somebody else in if it's not our it's tough dude it's tough because like the best suited offices to support a new associate are shitty DSOs because they're built around this the structure where the The doctor is dispensable they make to protect the entity of the business they make the doctor as in this as dispensable as possible ⁓ Adam Hogan: Yeah. Yeah. Fast Lane: And so like the office manager and the assistants and everything, they're like the mainstay of the office and the doctors revolve and yeah, it's tough. But that's a really crappy experience, like environment to operate in as a doctor. It's horrible. And so alternatively, ⁓ you try to a better situation would be to in like a good established, like ⁓ non DSO setting, but you have to really find just a good fit in terms of like a Adam Hogan: Mm. Fast Lane: more senior doctor who has the patient base that he's willing to share. Anyways, yeah, that's tough. Adam Hogan: Right. Yeah, it's a tough, it's tough on both ends. I've tried to bring in associates and for one reason or another, just kind of like have to dismiss them sometimes in days or a few months because their ethics might be terrible or the way, you know, they're the way they get along with people or they can't treatment plan or they can't produce or this or that. But number one, if their ethics or morality is, if their moral compass is off, I have literally had doctors in my organization that I've let go after a day or three. Like you can just tell like this isn't going to work. You know, and as an owner of a practice, we're taking a huge risk to bring you in, especially like if we've like, if you're like full implant choice and I've spent my, you know, entire life's existence making it this, this purposeful practice that does very high end quality work. We just can't compromise. And then you guys are, you know, younger doctors are coming in and they're taking risks as well. I think transparency is really important. What are the expectations, though? Bringing you in and not telling you gonna have you do a Medicaid practice, that's almost corrupt on so many levels. It's just wrong. So for, guess what I'm gonna give a little bit of advice to young docs is it's okay to slow down. I don't think the DSO or the military, I look at the military like the world's largest DSO, right? I don't think the military or a DSO is a bad place to be for 24 months or four years. Just kind of like get out of dental school and live a little bit and learn a little bit. You don't have to go get out of dental school and go, I'm going to open up 20 offices or I'm going to do only full arch day one out of dental school. It's a very dangerous place to be. Fast Lane: Yeah, and just to echo that, would say, honestly, the best mentality to have is just acknowledging that you have way more that you don't know and way more to learn. And so if you just go into your first job or jobs, acknowledging that they're probably not going to be your last and you're just there to continue to learn, like continue to learn like what different practice settings are like, what different ⁓ business models look like. what different team structures look like with the operations within the office. ⁓ And just continue to experience, okay, this is how it could work. is how, because dude, there's so many different types of offices and operations that are all successful. know, like you don't have to be a full arch office to be successful. You can do fillings and be successful, you can. And by the way, when I say successful, boy, I like it. Adam Hogan: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fast Lane: I think it's important to be very clear on how we're defining success. A lot of people say, you know, how do you be successful dentist? Well, first of all, what is success? mean, back to the first half of this conversation is what is success in life? It's not money. ⁓ I think a lot of important aspects of success in dentistry are being able to ethically help humanity improve their quality of life. that is, that is to me, that's what dentistry is about. There's another human being. Adam Hogan: Yeah. Fast Lane: who has these problems and I can help them improve their everyday experience. They're alive tomorrow, hopefully, and hopefully through what I can help them with, they can have a better experience. So there's that aspect which is also dependent on their clinical capacity, ⁓ but also the financial aspect of being able to run a viable business. Anyways, ⁓ yeah, when you first graduate, there's just so much to learn. Adam Hogan: Mm-hmm. Fast Lane: from different opportunities, different jobs. And again, in my first four years, I guess I was in like four or five different jobs. And ⁓ it was good. I'm grateful for it because what I didn't get is just one very narrow perspective of what dentistry is. Adam Hogan: That's okay. That's okay. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Fast Lane: I don't only know how to do extractions and I don't only know how to do, ⁓ you know, I don't know, a lot of people, again, back to the conversation of, I think the exposure, which creates the mindset and ⁓ perspective for a lot of graduating and developing dentists and even us, by the way, you know, like we're still not at the end of our career, we'll continue to be influenced by ⁓ the exposure that we have. ⁓ But social media sort of driving a lot of our exposure and especially people with more limited ⁓ context of what a career industry looks like. ⁓ It's not only full arch, I was going do perio, but I was really grateful to be in a very good comprehensive dental office. honestly, there's a lot of beauty and fulfillment in just, like at the end of it, we're treating humans. And there's a lot of different treatment modalities that can allow us to help humans improve their quality of life. And nobody can argue that there's nothing better than teeth. The best prosthetic in the world is not better than Adam Hogan: you Yeah. Fast Lane: you know, our millennia of evolution. Dude, I'm talking a lot, sorry. I'm really running with it. But anyways, yeah. Adam Hogan: No, you're fine. Yeah. It's all good philosophy for young dentists to hear. It really is. What is success? I mean, what is success? And I think you're going back to the beginning and kind of, you know, maybe as we wrap up towards the end, you know, ⁓ but going back towards the vision of your life and what do you want it to be? mean, do you, what is success? Does it start with dentistry or does it start with God and family maybe? And then your time and your private, you know, your wellbeing mentally and physically, and then dentistry. ⁓ You know, but dentistry, like you can make a big difference in someone's life, whether you're getting somebody out of pain or just replacing one front gray tooth or something like that, you know, that changes their life. I think about my success and it's just touching people one at a time, just one at a time. And you know, like when I'm in the hospital, I'm getting a pick line and two nurses and a or a nurse and a doctor come by and say, ⁓ you're Dr. Hogan. You helped a friend of mine. And let me tell you about all the life. great things they're doing in their life right now. How they're, you know, and they just start going to the stories of their friend. You know, when it gets around the community and it comes back to you that other people are living a better life, I mean, it's not about dollar signs at all. So I'm fully on board with you, ⁓ that's a good feeling to have. Fast Lane: What's better than that? What's better validation than that? at Yeah. Thanks for bringing that back in. I was just trying to say, like, you can experience that same fulfillment through, through, helping somebody understand what oral hygiene means and patching some tires through some fillings and prolonging their ability to smile and chew. Adam Hogan: Yeah, for sure. Man, what a love it, dude. This makes me feel really good going on the rest of my day. What else do have to say as we wrap things up? Whatever we covered. Fast Lane: ⁓ Nothing, dude. I'm trying to think of something funny to say, nothing, man. It's a good conversation. Adam Hogan: If he'd got it. You're like me, I always wanna have that zinger. I always wanna have that one liner. My wife is like, you don't always have to be funny. Fast Lane: Yeah, dude. Should we acknowledge our conflicts of interest right now? Today's podcast is sponsored by Planet Fitness. ⁓ Adam Hogan: Sure, what's your... Are you going to Planet Fitness? ⁓ I'm going to our gym at home. Fast Lane: You know that I spent a lot of times showering at Planet Fitness when I'd sleep in my car at a CE course at the beginning of my career because I didn't have the money to spend on the hotel every single weekend for the amount of courses I was going to. Adam Hogan: Yeah, yeah, I love that you guys like listen to that the the life you had to live to get experience, to pay your dues, and that you didn't just come out of dental school and it wasn't all just given to you, right? You actually had to work at it, right? I mean, you had to work at it. I mean, and you did that. You lived in your car, you sponge bathed before work on a Tuesday, you drove four hours to have an opportunity. ⁓ That is such, so different from what I hear as the norm of Hey, I'm graduating dental school and I'm a DDS and I deserve to make at least $250,000 a year, probably 750 and pay me now. And I don't want it to be based on production or collections. just want, you know, I just want to do all on four full arches and that's it. And feed me some patients. Like, well, look at what you did, man. You lived in your car. I loved it. Fast Lane: Yeah! And really, those first few jobs, it's nice to get paid, right? But I wasn't getting paid that much. And I was really able to just get a context of the bigger picture. What were my goals? My goals weren't to get paid as much as possible my first few years out. My goals were to find as much experience as I could my first few years out. So I was grateful. to drive that four hours to be in a practice setting where I had the ability to implement the things I was learning at the courses I was attending. And I just had the mindset of, okay, I was gonna do perio, which was going to be three more years of debt for cost of living plus debt for matriculation. Because perio residencies, very few have a side bend anyways. And even if it did, it would not cover everything that you need. So I was already going into this concept of, Even if I made like a net $20,000 at the end of the year between CE and what I was earning in the private practice setting, I would still be, ⁓ you know, net positive against what I would have been doing in Perio. And so just tried to keep the perspective of, if I want to learn what I need to, to be able to operate at the level of a specialist, because by the way, if you're doing specialized procedures, You need to be able to do it at the competency of a board certified specialist. Right? It's within our scope of practice so long as we are competent. anyways, that's the mentality that I had and I was grateful. I was grateful to drive and to not get paid that much acknowledging what I was getting out of it. It's not all about money. And I knew it would, just like you said earlier, I was investing in myself and I knew it would pay me off, you know, pay off, you know, in the back end. Adam Hogan: Yeah. Yeah. I was doing the same thing. You know, just a similar story. We, um, I was looking to go into perioral surgery and, know, you make like 30 grand a year or something. Maybe some of them don't even pay. And, uh, I was coming out of the Navy where again, I think 65,000 a year or something back then, you know, nothing, maybe some bonuses. And, but I was okay to do that because I just wanted to get experience and learn something. And then when I came into work for Truman, I've got this Fast Lane: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Adam Hogan: Truman Baxter Jr., right, the third. He's doing implants since 1970, okay? And I have a chance to go learn from the master. And I come in and I said, on a handshake deal, by the way, I didn't demand a daily fee or anything like that. Just a handshake deal for 30 % of what I do. I tell the manager, if he's doing anything involving implants or prosthetics, block my schedule. And she goes, you won't make any money. I said, I'm not here to make money. I'm here to learn. Fast Lane: Yeah. Adam Hogan: I'm here to learn and it's and yeah. Yeah. Fast Lane: You've got your whole life to continue to more money. And by the way, that's important because you do have financial obligations. You have debt and things like that. Sorry, keep going. it's not your purpose. It's not your purpose. Adam Hogan: No, but I mean, I figure I could work 50 % of my time and make more than 65 what I did in the Navy, right? I mean, I could pay my bills, but now I get people that they come to me for jobs and they go guarantee me five grand a day or a specialist guarantee me 10 grand a day, you know, guarantee me, guarantee me, guarantee me. And like just out of their programs or just out of school, it's like, how about I guarantee you that you're going to have an experience that's going to change the trajectory of the rest of your life? You know, like Fast Lane: Yeah. Adam Hogan: I mean, honestly, like, you know, you should be here working for nothing. It's a residency almost, you know. Fast Lane: Dude, you remember, no, specifically with what you're referring to, if somebody had the opportunity to work with you in your office in the capacity of what you're an ⁓ equivalent in a educational setting is the five-year periopros, right? Except for they're also getting some moral surgery stuff that you would not see in a periopros residency. So, ⁓ Adam Hogan: Mm-hmm. Fast Lane: I mean, they could go do five years of periodopros, I guess, ⁓ to get what they might be getting out of several years working with you in your situation. And by the way, in that residency, which there's like two of them, even if they're, I don't know if they're even still doing them, ⁓ they're certainly not making anything financially because what's the purpose? I mean, what is the objective? If your objective, Adam Hogan: Right. Fast Lane: is to graduate and make as much money as possible. ⁓ I don't know, I would say I just feel bad for the patients. That's the only thing I can think about. I don't have any good advice for any new grad who's just trying to get out and their only objective is money. Adam Hogan: If you're if you're getting out of dental school and your objective is money, you should open up car washes and laundromats and, you know, a fast food chain or something with 20 locations. I think that's where I would go if money. Yeah. Fast Lane: Yeah, don't do something that's a... Yeah, that's the sad thing about healthcare is like when you're on this end, you can help somebody and that person also has no way of qualifying your experience. There's an element of vulnerability for extortion that can exist, right? If you come to me and you need some dental treatment and it's really just a feeling and you know nothing about what it is, I can convince you from this... you know, this dynamic of I'm an expert and you don't know anything about it that actually you need a completely different treatment and I can do it and it's unethical, you know, so anyways, hopefully everyone's ethical and it's not only about money and I think, thankfully in our profession, I think people are pretty good about that. Adam Hogan: Yeah, I think for the most part, I think you're right. think, you know, being dentistry for the right reasons, you, excuse me, if you treat people right, the money will follow. And if you put it the other way around, and if it's money's upfront, you will probably not be treating people right. Right? Fast Lane: But yeah, and I think again, back to the most important thing here is to just not put yourself in a position to where you and your life are so dependent on money. If you depend so much on making so much, then boy, everything's, that's when you do find yourself compromising your ethics. That's when you start looking at patients as potential transactions instead of human beings that have the need and you have the ability to help to heal them, right? ⁓ Adam Hogan: Mm-hmm. That's right. That's right. Fast Lane: Yeah, if you can just put yourself in a position to where you're not so dependent on that, then you have so much freedom and your life is so much more fulfilling and your career is so much more fulfilling and you don't hate dentistry, you don't get burned out and you can, you know, just have a feel happier, you know. Adam Hogan: Yeah. Yeah, that's right. And patients out there listening, you know, don't go to the dentist that has six Lamborghinis. I don't know. Maybe that's I don't be careful. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I a couple of friends. didn't mean got to be careful, though. I got to be careful. Anyway, relay, man, this has been awesome. It's been such a great show. It's been very inspiring, a little different than what we've done in the past. But I think, you know, you've got. Fast Lane: NUTH- Adam Hogan: oral surgery, oral surgeons, and experts in oral cavity. And you are an expert, by the way. I've seen your clinical work. I've talked to you. You've done all the education. I think you're an excellent dentist. But I think your specialty is really in a purpose-driven life and one that's with your family. I love that about you, Fast Lane: Thanks, man. ⁓ Yeah, sorry. ⁓ This might have been all over the place. wish I wish I anyway this yeah, this was meaningful conversation to me. I just wish I I hope that it's helpful to anybody listening I hope it's a of some some quality or somebody can listen to this and feel inspired in some way to ⁓ Adam Hogan: I think so. I ⁓ think we've got a lot of great content there and a lot of good thought, especially for young doctors or doctors who are struggling with burnout or doctors who are struggling with purpose in their life. I think that this is a phenomenal episode for those three groups of people. Young doctors getting a course in their trajectory and doctors who are fed up, burnt out, don't know where they're going or just stagnant. I think this is what they need to hear. So man, I think that. And listeners out there, if you enjoyed this conversation, I ask you to please subscribe. Subscribe on YouTube, subscribe on Spotify, subscribe on your pod app, subscribe on all three, keep us going. I really love bringing this content to you guys every week, so help us out there. Lane, any last comments? Fast Lane: Yeah, you know what? I just always feel deeply grateful for the people that have influenced me in my life and in my career. And so since this is more focused on the professional aspect, I'd just like to publicly acknowledge my gratitude for ⁓ the people who made a big influence in helping me develop myself. Thank you, Adam, for your friendship. I'm grateful I was able to go to your course. I'm grateful for my good friends at Neodent, Grant Wentzberger, ⁓ Wes, who turned me on to you to help me go to your course. And I'm grateful that I had the chance of meeting you, man, and just how, I went to your course one time. And actually, even before I attended your course, they just gave me your phone number. I remember talking to you on a Saturday morning when I was like working on building some garage shelves in my garage and you were just talking to me about life and, know, ⁓ thank you, man, for being the human that's ⁓ helped me ⁓ improve myself to the, you know, meet my goals to be a better, ⁓ more capable dentist to treat my patients. I'm grateful for my mentor in dental school, Takami Yamoto. He's periodontist in Omaha and he's the man. Grateful for my friend, Jim Kelly, oral maxillofacial prosthodontist, formerly at Mayo, now at Creighton, and the Department of Pros. There's just so many people I'm grateful for that I wish, honestly, I'd just like to cut a reel of my acknowledgements of all the people that have made a big influence on me in my development. Juan Gonzalez, Stan Holtzclaw, so many of them. anyways, yeah, thanks to everybody who's just been a good, ⁓ know, Ramsey and me and Dude, cannot, number one. Anyways, yeah, so many people I'm grateful for that have really influenced me. Keith Kloss. Adam Hogan: That's awesome. That's beautiful. I'm going to let you ramble on. People deserve to get credit. I love it. I love it. that's, that's thank you for ⁓ finished on that. And by the way, you know, as I'm given, thank you for that saying thank you to myself. But when I'm giving and teaching, I'm also actually taking, I'm also actually taking these friendships. I'm taking these experiences from you ⁓ at the same time, cause it's reciprocal. Okay. It's not just Fast Lane: I can't... Dude, literally! Adam Hogan: I'm not doing this just sit up there on a pulpit and you know on a box and a pedestal and just talk like you've given me so much you've taught me honestly slow down a little bit and and take value and what's really important you know I think about you all the time bro so I'm gonna give credit to you right back to you all right all right let's go enjoy the rest of our Saturdays with the kids and the soccer games okay enjoy a Germany USA tonight enjoy the enjoy your kids games Fast Lane: Thanks, everyone. Thanks, man. Appreciate it. SKUYOSUUUU Adam Hogan: USA, USA, USA. All right, buddy. This was great. Have a good, wonderful rest of your day and we'll catch up soon. Come and see me in September. Let's spend some time together. Fast Lane: Sick man. Yeah, thanks, Adam. Hey. Alright, yeah, good to see you, man. Bye. Adam Hogan: Yeah, you too. All right, take care, peace, bye.