Jessie: Good morning, welcome back to the VIP seat. NTSB has shut down its dockets and we're going to the moon, guys. Sit back, buckle up, and let's take off. right, Preston. So interestingly, Berkshire Hathaway has 40 million share stake in Delta. Which means they're worth about two point six to two point six five billion dollars. But they own NetJets and Delta is now pretty heavily melded to wheels up. So that's interesting.

Preston Holland: Yeah, it's a ⁓ it's an interesting thing. I sent a tweet about this when the news came out, saying, hey, if you draw one more step parallel here, that is, you know, ⁓ at point there is common ownership in net jets and wheels up, which is interesting. I think that challenge is that you would have to take a significantly larger stake. either in Delta or actually you could directly take it in Wheels Up in theory if you're Berkshire Hathaway. I mean, they have more money than the federal like more cash than the federal government right now, from my understanding. So it's like they have a ton of cash, but they do now have exposure to Wheels Up via their holdings in Delta Airlines. And Warren Buffett historically has kind of poo pooed on the airlines, which is interesting.

Jessie: Right. Yeah, I mean it just as soon as twenty or as recently as twenty twenty, he said, I'm not investing in airlines at all. But I guess it just goes to show you I mean, he also said the same same thing about like private jets at some point, and then he ended up owning one of the largest private jet companies in the world. But it just like it makes you wonder. Like they they obviously see Premium consumers, premium travel ⁓ forward. I wonder how much of the Delta investment, like how much do they think about Wheels Up in the context of that too? Because at this point, like they're so closely melded. Delta just announced it was continuing a lockout period of another year. ⁓ So can't sell shares of wheels up for another year. That was just announced this week. so they are they firmly believe that wheels up is going to go somewhere eventually. When that is happening, we don't exactly know, but they seem to keep pushing it.

Preston Holland: Yeah, I don't I we we obviously are not an airline reporting show. This is a business aviation show, but I do follow some of the aviation reporters, you kind of the travel bloggers, if you will, just to understand what's going on there. And if you look at the trend, it's the premium class that pays for the flight. And then really it's subsidizing the economy flyers. And that has shown itself in United releasing layflats basically. All the way over the wing in some of their wide-body aircraft. So the premium class is growing and therefore taking up more footprint from the economy class because of the way that airline economics work now. I think that the assumption and understanding is that when you don't, when you want to move up from layflats, then you move to private jets. I think that's not a bad core thesis and core idea for Delta. I think the challenge is that. Delta is a very well-run oiled machine. It's operationally intense and complex, but yet has a lot of, you know, inputs that you can do to the business to make it more profitable or more efficient or more effective and things like that. Whereas private aviation is a lot more variables, right? You a lot of people are kind of crapping on wheels up for their no cancellations ⁓ through the month of May, which they made last week.

Jessie: Mm-hmm.

Preston Holland: Which again is an airline term. That is not a that is not a private aviation term. Now, know, or or maybe it was on-time departures or no cancellations and all these things that are legitimate metrics for commercial airlines, not as relevant in our business because our business is wildly more complex. ⁓ so I I think that that's the ⁓

Jessie: Mm.

Preston Holland: I think that's the big challenge, right? And and it's probably why, if I had to guess, why wheels up is not fully ingested by Delta. I mean, Delta, according, you know, according to this article in CJI, holds approximately 95% of the company, right? So for all for other than the five percent, which you know, could you just convert that to Delta stock? I don't know. but basically Delta owns Wheels Up almost entirely now. ⁓ And

Jessie: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Preston Holland: Why wouldn't you just merge it into the core business? I think that that, you know, it is so operationally different that they're not together. This is also not the first time we have seen airlines, you know, operating private jets, right? Like if you if you look back like 10, 15, 20 years, United had it, American Airlines had it. Like, this is not a brand new concept.

Jessie: Mm-hmm. Yeah, and look, I I know everyone probably well, not everyone, but a lot of people that listen to the show, you know, would love for us to crap on wheels up and ⁓ they're gonna fail. But ⁓ look, they haven't. You know, like yeah, a lot of stock splits have happened. there's a lot of stressors on the business, but at the same time, the the the corner has been turned a bit and have this backer. So I look, I'm just I'm not one to sit here and say like whose business is gonna fail and whose is gonna succeed because you just don't know. And especially when you have a strong partner like that. Like it's totally reasonable that they do eventually come out of this. Again, not financial advice, not investment advice. Don't listen for that purpose. but to to just, call winners and losers, like how how are we supposed to do that at this point?

Preston Holland: Yeah, exactly. And I also think the concept of too big to fail is relevant here. Because wheels up is big enough, is it going to completely fail? I think that pre-Delta, that was what a lot of the commentary and a lot of the conversations were was okay, wheels up's gonna fail, all these kingers are gonna flood the market, ⁓ you you're gonna have all of these ripple effects the industry. ⁓ Delta steps and backstops them. ⁓

Jessie: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And then Berkshire continues to buy up more Delta even with them making those choices. So hmm.

Preston Holland: Right, exactly. Exactly. So is it a blip? I mean, five hundred million dollars is not a small sum of money, but if you think about the scale of an airline, it's not that much, right?

Jessie: Mm.

Preston Holland: the of money Delta has plowed into Wheels Up, $500 million, is not an insignificant amount of money. But for a company that as of recording is ⁓ a $52 billion company, million is not that big, right? And so they have conviction in the term about the Wheels Up business. that they have that they invested in previously that they wanted to save because of, you know, there's partnerships and there's a lot of speculation as to why Delta would step in here and all of those things. But at the end of the day, million is not a significant portion of Delta's market cap.

Jessie: I wanna know too how much has Delta put into their lounges and customer experiences. I mean, you know, are, you know, accretive to the company and the fact that they keep the customer happy in maybe the same way that Wheels Up does too. ⁓ know, I I don't know. I don't know how they're looking at it, but you're right. I it's not that big of a deal even to us. It's like one of the biggest companies that are out there in our industry. We're not really looking at this from like that that altitude.

Preston Holland: Yeah, exactly. Well, ⁓ speaking of people who really want us to take opinions that we're not going to, we have a new segment on the show. This week, instead of Milehigh Madness, there's lots of great stuff on the internet. Go read it. We have decided to come up with a new segment.

Jessie: have thousands of people that listen to this show every week. And I just want to say thank you guys for listening to it. We love you. ⁓ But for every thousand listeners you have, once a while you have ⁓ some trolls out there. So we have decided to create a new segment called Captain Keyboard, where we are gonna go through our ⁓ I'm gonna pick two, Preston's gonna pick two of worst ⁓ mean comments on our post and rate them in terms of severity like we would turbulence. So we've got light chop. Moderate chop, severe and structural damage. I'll go with one first here. this was back on we did a post ⁓ of the Masters that went of viral, had like millions of hits. And in the post, I actually wrote something about like everyone's flying here on their PJs. he says it's GA parking, PJ is So I don't know, Preston, how would you rate that one?

Preston Holland: I mean, sometimes you have to speak to the algorithm, right? PJ is a colloquial term. think PJ's a little cringy. That's okay. There are things that you say that are cringy so that you get good clicks. I mean, a little bit of it is just admit that you do it. We do it. We are we are guilty of it. It's okay. ⁓ if we say PJ, it stands for private jet. It's an abbreviation. We live in an industry of abbreviations. So like give a cut us a little slack.

Jessie: Yeah. Yeah. We do. It's it's what the customers are calling it, you know. I'm just going off of what words they're using. But I do understand it because like I'm a helicopter girl and my biggest like frustration is when people call it a chopper, because it's not a chopper. It's a helo. E L O. That and only that.

Preston Holland: Yeah, exactly. I get that one. All right. I'm gonna go next. ⁓ this was from a recent post that I had on LinkedIn talking about AI. I basically said AI graphics, we can tell that they exist ⁓ and they look good. ⁓ That's an I that is a opinion that I think is held by the majority of people, even if they don't say it out loud. ⁓ It has many words, they all kind of look the same.

Jessie: Yeah.

Preston Holland: this comment says, ⁓ I love paying graphic designers to craft high-touch art that ends up not communicating what I want to convey while simultaneously taking a ton of time to create. You may not like it, but you still looked. AI can also create podcasts where the format is bad. And at the end of every segment is basically just two people shrugging their shoulders and saying, We will see, because to have an actual opinion would piss off their advertisers. And you know what? I'm gonna wear that one as a badge of honor because we say a lot of controversial things on this show. So this person must not have listened too much or too closely. ⁓ ⁓

Jessie: Mm-hmm. Oof. Yeah. Or their opinion of controversial is much more extreme than ours.

Preston Holland: Yeah, exactly. Right. Like, I mean, they want us to say, you know, tinfoil hat stuff. Okay. our it would piss off our advertisers. Our advertisers have zero editorial control over their show, ⁓ and actually support the conversations that we are trying to have. So that's why our show exists and that's why our advertisers are great. and one the responses, again, we're not gonna name names in this one, but you can go find this.

Jessie: Yeah. Yeah.

Preston Holland: basically said, Well you still watched and they said, I don't watch, I listen. And then they said, Well you still listen ⁓ I replied, I said, I don't watch because the bald head reflects too much light into the screen. Like, you know, like it's it's plight of the bald man. So so yeah, that I thought that was a pretty good one.

Jessie: You know, I it's it's not bad. I'm gonna rate that one like a moderate, you know. It's not like so bad that my heart hurts, but like it is it was a little bit mean.

Preston Holland: Yeah, yeah, no, it definitely was. I mean it was you know, we don't shrug. But here I as I shrug, I don't know. We sh we will see.

Jessie: So which one shrug? As we shrug. Well, you know. We will see, I guess. so I actually have a super mean one Okay, I'm not gonna go through the whole thing. I'm just gonna get to the part that like kind of like stabbed me in the heart a little bit.

Preston Holland: Yeah.

Jessie: was after our Hop A Jet interview. This person was, you know, discrediting us, saying we don't know what we're talking about. By the way, we didn't say we know what we're talking about. We're just interviewing someone who does know what they're they're talking about. ⁓ some point he said, ⁓ I have never heard of the girl. Thank you for that, by the way. I do see that her husband sold a charter company a few years ago. You are way more qualified. This is what he's saying this to someone else on the the post. You're way more qualified. And yes, we both know the report was BS. I'll bet it was contaminated fuel. have so many I have so many problems with this comment. First of all, some random person on the internet is more qualified than we are to talk about anything in aviation. And also he discredits the NTSB's report that it wasn't contaminated fuel, it was a corrosion issue. So pretty crazy, pretty crazy. Mm-hmm.

Preston Holland: Yeah, pretty wild claims. Especially like if you're gonna have that under your real name. ⁓ ⁓ don't know about that.

Jessie: and the most important part here, I mean, I know that it's crazy for some people out there to hear this, and it is 2026, but when a husband and wife run a business together, it's possible that the wife was the president of the company and ran the whole operation. Not to say the husband wasn't a good partner too, but I mean, I know that sounds weird, but it's true that girls can also be executives too, and they're not just decorating the office. ⁓

Preston Holland: Also, Jessie, do you guys file a joint tax return? Well, hmm, Sounds like you guys own it together. ⁓ crazy concept, right? ⁓ but I I guess that you can't speak to selling a company because ⁓ need to go sit in the corner ⁓ listen to everybody else talk. ⁓ that was sarcasm.

Jessie: We do. Right. I know. I gotta go. I should have been baking cookies for everybody instead of like using all that energy to be a high powered executive. What a waste of time.

Preston Holland: Yeah, exactly. All right. I've got I've got the last one. This is a one-star review from Apple Podcasts. ⁓ have listened to three episodes, hoping, praying for good content. The hosts are two people dying to be noticed. ⁓ show is like someone perused AIN and PJC for content. Note to creators, don't copy this show. ⁓ I almost forgot. No one is going to leak any insider info here. things I do. ⁓ I AIN and PJC private jet car comparisons.

Jessie: We do.

Preston Holland: Four stories so that we can give you contextual relevance so that you don't have to go find them. So you're welcome. Point of the show achieved. two people dying to be noticed. Like ⁓ don't enjoy being noticed, actually. Like I I do this because I think that it's important to the industry ⁓ that's about it, right?

Jessie: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. I don't know. I mean, I do like to be noticed, I'm just saying, but it's crazy. Look, come on. You know, it's not for everybody. It's not for everybody, but it is a news commentary show. The whole point of it is that we go out there, I read everything. I'm an avid newsreader. I read it all day long. I'm interested in it. We send each other stories back and forth. And the whole point is that we put together short snippets and short things that you can digest so that you can know what's going on in the news. So well, we're not gonna make everyone happy, but for everyone listening that also had their hearts hurt from these comments, you should Definitely go out and leave us a good comment to drown out these people that maybe we don't like as much.

Preston Holland: Yeah, exactly. Well, ⁓ our most commented and got the most positive feedback was our episode that we recorded with A B Jets, who is the sponsor of this week's episode Starlink from 43,000 feet. Got lots of great comments on that. So we appreciate them. And we A B Jets for supporting the podcast and not having editorial control because they want us to have these conversations.

Jessie: Hehehehe

Preston Holland: So thanks A B Jets for sponsoring this week's episode of the podcast.

Jessie: right, so the next story of the day is definitely in Jessie's ⁓ safety corner. The NTSB has completely down their safety dockets because apparently AI tools are being used now to recover C VR audio from crashes, which is against the law.

Preston Holland: Yeah, pretty crazy that they sussed this out, right? That's pretty crazy that they figured out that AI tools were crawling. Two, kind scary, that you know, the AI tools can crawl things that they're really not supposed to. ⁓ I am if there is is there a tie to the UPS ⁓ hearing that happened? it was there stuff that happened there. Jessie, you went deep on this.

Jessie: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yes. Yeah, I started digging into this as I'm like, how the heck does this all work? And what how does how did this even happen? So this was the UPS flight. Someone and now the problem is this technology has existed for a while. The ability to do this has existed, but with AI, now everybody can do it. Like everything else, like coding and websites and all the other things, it's made these tools much more accessible. So essentially what's happened is the NTSB releases spectrograms. Spectrograms, because I had to look this up as I didn't know what it was, basically visual representations of the cockpit voice recorder include things like engine sounds, hums, other things that would help safety researchers understand what had the timeline of events that isn't actually releasing the cockpit voice recording itself because that's restricted under privacy laws, but the spectrogram was a way for people to look at the information, understand the information without explicitly releasing that. Unfortunately, with AI and a little bit of coding skills, you can use that to reverse engineer all of the words that were actually happening. So what someone did was reverse this out, put some, you know, voices over it. Don't know if it sounds like the captain's voices or not, but the NTSB is pretty mad because this is all supposed to be protected under privacy laws, and they don't want the family members and other people hearing ⁓ what were the last moments of this tragic accident. So pretty crazy.

Preston Holland: Yeah, I a little bit of that feels as though somebody didn't understand how what the data was that they were releasing, right? Because if the if the C VR is actually in there in the tape somewhere and you can pull it out, you know, yes, AI is really good at it and makes it accessible, but if this technology has existed before, it feels like maybe you should have caught this. I don't know.

Jessie: Mm-hmm. Yeah, but at the same time, the I think the things that I'm getting upset about here is that okay, recognize there's a problem here. Does that mean you need to take the entire database down to clean it? Like we can't go through and strategically just start removing stuff. We have to take all of it out. I mean, people are actively relying on this information to do safety analysis, to look back at events from OEMs, researchers, everything. So I I think they're gonna have to come up with some solution to this. Because I think the spectrograms are still really important for research purposes, obviously if the public can reverse engineer them and go around laws, that's a problem too. But literally going to take an act of Congress, someone saying, okay, there should be like a sub-section of researchers that are allowed to access NTSB data that the public doesn't have, and vice versa. so we'll have to see where this pans out. ⁓

Preston Holland: Yep, just as a reminder that a lot of the government runs on really old technology. So I imagine that turning it off probably was the only way that you could actually stop it. ⁓ th that's at least that's my guess.

Jessie: Ha ha ha. Yeah, maybe. Maybe. Yeah, but speaking of that, ⁓ the FAA is doing something pretty new and unique that has actually a little bit modern.

Preston Holland: Yeah, the FAA has officially published the modern skies.faa.gov, which is how you can track the new era of American aviation. it has counts on investment, it's got labor hours, it's got ⁓ airports are getting what. I looked up my local airport, Chattanooga. We're going from copper to digital. That was that's our big upgrade that we're getting. So excited about that. but it talks about the digital radios, the voice switches, all of this, flight strips. it's a it's an actually good looking government website, which doesn't happen all the time. but I will say this if you've played around with Claude AI design, it kind of looks like Claude AI design a little bit, which is great. glad to see ⁓ the federal government modern technology. but yeah, no, it it definitely looks a little bit like a Claude AI designed website. So good for them.

Jessie: Yeah, look, hey, this is when I think AI is good. If you're actually like taking useful information and kind of enhancing it with AI, that's a totally different situation than just purely AI created slop. But yeah, I mean this is there's over 10,000 projects that are involved in this. In a 12 and a half billion for now, it's gonna be more eventually project. So seeing an actual dashboard and making the FAA functionally accountable for what's going on and where it's happening, I think it's really cool. I think it makes sense for lobbyists too, you know, because like you can actually see what your state is doing and your exact tower and how it's going. This this transparency should create more accountability on the heels of the great failure that was next gen. I think this is a great move in the right direction. Will it make a difference? I don't know. ⁓

Preston Holland: Yeah. Well, you can see by the numbers what's happened thus far. I mean, twenty six hundred tele telecommunications replaced, which is fifty one percent complete, sixty-two of four hundred and fifty IP voice switches installed. ⁓ like you can actually see the progress moving, which I think is great for transparency. I like to see a giant ticker of dollars spent. Like, how are we doing on pacing on here on the budget here?

Jessie: Mm-hmm. Yeah, you're right.

Preston Holland: Men and women, ⁓ it's a ⁓ that would that would be ultimate responsibility. But you know, it's it is much better than what we've had on other government projects, which is we're gonna spend a lot of money and we'll let you know if and when it finishes.

Jessie: Yeah, well and look, I ran my business with a bunch of KPI dashboards. Like every single person in the company knew what the key performance indicators were, when they needed to reach them, how we were doing all together. So right move for organizational structure of the FAA. Let's see if they can start to deliver some results this time.

Preston Holland: Yep, exactly. But ⁓ we do love good websites from the government. So kudos to ATC for that. speaking of good websites, Moonbase has a good website.

Jessie: Mm-hmm. Yeah, I'm really excited about this. We didn't we don't touch on this often because like it's a private aviation show, but I just don't think we can underestimate like how cool it is that we're actually going to be building like a moon base potentially on the moon. And at first you can look at this and you're like, okay, why do we need to be on the moon? But you start looking at like how much the International Space Station cost us, you know, a hundred billion dollars or more. The whole concept of this is to have structural permanence and improvements so that we don't have a defunct space station one day. We actually have a place to go do research and study and all those things on a more frequent basis, although a little bit farther than the ISS.

Preston Holland: Yeah, that's true. You know, the other thing that I hope that we can recover in all of this the camera that recorded us leaving the moon the first time. ⁓ that is the one thing that I have been curious about since I saw that video is was there, did they leave someone behind to tilt the camera up? Or they leave the camera there? If you remember back to videos of us being in space for the first time, ⁓ we to the moon, the The lunar lander takes off and the camera pans up and then it leaves. it

Jessie: you making like a conspiracy theory about the moon here? ⁓

Preston Holland: Maybe just a touch. It is a unsolved question of our time is what happened to the camera? Because I think that they could put a lot of conspiracy theories to bed if they just said, yes, we did leave the camera on the moon. And when we go back, we will pick it up.

Jessie: No, no, no to that. We went to the moon and that decade Preston and there is no doubt about it for me. it's ⁓ it's it's so ⁓

Preston Holland: S well, there's no oxygen on the moon. So like what what's the decaying elements on the moon? I don't know. See, I think these are all questions that the American people have that we could easily resolve on this website.

Jessie: Okay, no, all right. Anyway, reality talk here. So NASA has been re-orging because this is taking a lot of money. ⁓ Congress still has to pass funding for all these projects. So they've basically been cutting back on staffing and some other things recently to make their mission of the moon base happen. And it and functionally that is the whole mission, not the whole mission, but the primary mission of NASA now with Jared is to go to the moon, make a base there, and do science.

Preston Holland: Yeah. And they are cutting out a lot of administrative bloat inside of NASA, which was always Elon Musk's big complaint about NASA is like, look, we're gonna build the anti-NASA company because we're gonna be lean, fast, do things. And Elon has been to space, well, his company, a lot more than NASA has been in the last few years. And so ⁓ I think this is net positive for the United States. It is feeling a little bit like, you know, another race to the moon, right? You have a little bit of geopolitical, right? Russia and China that are, you know, obviously making some moves there as well. ⁓ so there's a little bit of Cold War element, you know, modern cr cold war element to the whole thing. but I think, you know, American dominance is a ⁓ a good thing for for all those people listening in America and democracies.

Jessie: Mm-hmm. Well look at look at it this way. I mean it's twenty billion dollars to establish a moon base or twenty something billion to modernize the air traffic control system. I mean is it really that big of a of a number?

Preston Holland: Yeah, money money's money. When you have when when you're running trillion dollar deficits, like money's just money.

Jessie: It's just the moon. Come on. All right. Well, speaking of money, speaking of money, I have one more story today. And it wasn't this isn't that big of a story, but I started to research seaplane bases a little more, and I thought it was interesting what I uncovered. So there's a company ⁓ in the Chesapeake Bay that's trying to establish establish a seaplane base. They're obviously getting pushback from the neighborhood, as every airport would, but then it got to me thinking.

Preston Holland: Yeah, exactly.

Jessie: Like wow, seaplane bases, you don't have to pay for the pavement. You're going over water instead of neighborhoods, so theoretically you should get less pushback from the neighborhood. I think there's been a slow movement of more and more seaplane bases coming online in the US. And I think it's a good thing and it's very interesting.

Preston Holland: Yeah, I think the the one group of people that don't like it are boaters. ⁓ specifically, like I imagine that sailboats are probably not stoked about seaplanes because they can't really get out of the way. The obligation then becomes on the seaplane pilot to land somewhere safely. So, you know, you have that. I think also you th you think about this urban air mobility revolution that we've been experiencing and a lot of the push towards that. Seaplane bases make a lot of sense for that.

Jessie: Mm-hmm.

Preston Holland: And we have had that where you can, as long as you're near a body of water, you can really land right next to where you're going ⁓ in a seaplane, which is really interesting. think that seaplanes ⁓ to, you know, they're slower, oftentimes single engine ⁓ technology that, you know, has its own challenges. ⁓ but people ⁓ true. That's a good point. Kodiak on floats does not have that issue.

Jessie: Mm-hmm. Not those Kodiaks. Mm-hmm.

Preston Holland: When i when is your beast is going on floats, by the way?

Jessie: so they don't have a float kit yet for it. So I think someone's trying to develop that. But yeah, the 100 has a float kit, 900 is not yet. ⁓

Preston Holland: Bummer.

Jessie: But I think the interesting part of this is yes, it's cheaper from just a runway pavement investment perspective. All you need to do with the seaplane is, you know, some sort of pier, which costs money, but not as much as an airport or the land and the land use. But the flip side of that is not only have to deal with the FAA, but now you gotta deal with Coast Guard and other environmental agencies or the ocean. So I think they have their challenges. ⁓ but I would hope people would be more to a seaplane base, because again, you're not irritating the neighborhood as much. Like Nantucket should have sea plane base they can do it.

Preston Holland: Yeah, exactly. I think the other challenge is is that if it's kind of windy that day, then you can't get there, right? It's like different than ⁓ it's gusty and I can get to the airport. It's like if it's really gusty on the on the seas, I don't know if you can land there. I I think I see I think seaplanes are much more akin to helicopters, right? Like it's very convenient. You don't have a you don't have to have a large footprint, which by the way, Flying Blade last week was awesome after ⁓ after going to our

Jessie: Yeah, it'll tell.

Preston Holland: our in person podcast recording, which is dropping in a couple of weeks.

Jessie: The helicopter world now, Preston? Are you accepting our helicopters?

Preston Holland: I'm getting there. I will say that. I will say that I am definitely getting there. I when I when the Uber was going to be an hour and 45 minutes, we're going to basically miss our dinner that we were going to, the blade was 17 minutes. That was a pretty for ⁓ you're one person, like I'm not going to say it's economical, but like if you're going to take a hundred and thirty dollar Uber or you take a hundred and seventy five dollar blade flight, like

Jessie: Yeah.

Preston Holland: Save an hour and a half for for forty dollars. That's probably that that math probably maths.

Jessie: zip aviation or whoever was actually operating it. But yeah.

Preston Holland: Yeah, exactly. So, well, this has been another awesome episode of the VIP Seat for Jessie Naor. I am Preston Holland. How can you help support this show? I know that's probably what you're wondering. leave us a five-star review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, ⁓ positive comment on YouTube. Give us the thumbs up, the subscribe button. That helps us grow the show. ⁓ to the newsletter at the VIP Seat.com. ⁓ newsletter comes out every week and is a companion with the show. It's the same. stuff that we comment on here, just in written format. So go subscribe there. you to A B Jets for sponsoring this week's episode of the podcast. And we will see you all next week after I'm sure what will be a riveting week of news. We'll see you all next week.