God Bless Golf: God bless golf. Ladies and gentlemen, this is episode eight. ⁓ We are happy to be back to my left. You will see my partner, Richard Stapleton, we are pretty excited about this week's show for a lot of reasons. One our first guest ever on this show and ⁓ a friend of mine, Tim Tucker will be joining us soon for those that for you. would assume if you're listening to the show, know who Tim Tucker is, but a little bio on Tim. PGA tour caddy, best known for his run, ⁓ me, alongside Bryson Truthfully, during one of the most fascinating stretches in all of golf, ⁓ Timmy Loop for Bryson from 2016 to 2021, taking a slight detour caddying for me and Mark Dole in the US four ball 2017. was basically a boots on the ground translator for one of the most polarizing players in the game. Together they racked up eight PGA Tour victories, including a pretty much runaway US Open in 2020. Known for managing Bryson's analytic driven the of playing golf ⁓ coupled with Tim's knowledge played a key role in just about they did, but most. Importantly distance control and greed reading where my opinion Tim separates himself from just about anybody on the planet You've heard us talk about What meant to us Certainly his on me. I'm lucky to call him a friend for almost 20 years. He worked for my dad at band in dunes ⁓ he worked me at stream song and You know just wherever he goes he seems to do well after he left Bryson he was with Kurt Kidiama who also won Bay Hill so Tim's one of the few caddies to win Bay Hill with two different players the course obviously built himself quite the reputation more than just being a caddy he owns ⁓ a transportation company in Bannon Dunes called Loop Golf he was one of the first guys that ever was doing the Aimpoint thing. He actually taught me Aimpoint in 2008. I'm sure we'll get in that one of these episodes. And just a respected voice on the mental and strategic side of elite golf. Sorry, I'm really bad at reading stuff, but I wanted to make sure we gave Timmy his flowers before we get him on. He's widely regarded as one of the most experienced and insightful caddies in the game. And I've told everybody having a guy like Tim on your bag is like having Tom Brady as your quarterback. We're happy to bring him to the show. so without further ado, let me click on this button. Is it going to work? We'd like to welcome. There he is, our man, Timmy Tuck. Timmy Tucker in the house! There he is, my boy! What's up, buddy? How are ya? Tim Tucker: What's up, What's up? Spice, what's up? What's up, fellas? Long time no see. God Bless Golf: How we doin' my man? I know man, it's to see you and good to talk to you. I know we had a bit of a chance to chat a little bit yesterday, Timmy, and we spared you having to listen to us brag about how wonderful you are. you'll have to listen to the podcast to hear our little intro to you. we've mentioned a few things that you've done in your life, starting from at least when I met you from the band in days to AimPoint to obviously all the success you've had with guys like Bryson and Kurt and many others along the way. Absolutely so glad to see you, bro. Including myself. So we're just excited to have you on the show and truthfully, we're gonna talk about all kinds of things and just really excited to have you as a part of this show going forward, whether it's every week, every other week, who knows? But Timmy's gonna be here because as I've mentioned before, I I know a lot about golf. I realize I don't know nearly as much as I think when I talk to guys like Tim Tucker who has seen it at the highest possible level. So Timmy, Give us a little update on what's been going on recently. And before we get into like what we're going to do for the show, just tell us a little bit about what you've been doing the last, let's say, six to 12 months. Tim Tucker: last 6 to 12 months. about... quit working for Kurt after John Deere and had an opportunity to work with Bryson again with the thoughts that I might fill in a little bit this season in that state that may happen, not sure exactly what's going on. And I've kind of been fielding offers from players. ⁓ a really big opportunity that may happen me. can't talk about it yet, but just relaxing. I've been skiing. Playing some golf, trying to get my golf game back together. You know, I fell out of love with golf because of, you know, caddying for 10 years, you know, living someone else's life, you know, just kind of ruined it for me. But, and you know, can't play the way I used to play or what, you know. So, you know, perception of how you play and what's reality is really hard, you know, that's, yeah. We all go through that, right? God Bless Golf: often hard to grasp sometimes. I think that's every player in the world. Tim Tucker: You know, I'd love to get back into it because I love the game. I really do. And I remember how much I used to love it. So I'm trying to get back there. God Bless Golf: Yeah, that's so funny that you say that, because I think of the times of the short period of times where I really got to know you well when I first moved to Bandon with my daughters in 2012. And just I can think of some of the funnest days I've ever had in my life was playing Bandon crossings with guys like yourself and Matt Tory and Crawford and all those guys. where the love of the game really comes from, because you're Absolutely. You're just doing it because it's fun and you're with your boys and it's competitive and you never know what kind of who's going to show up that day in your five or five five ball or four ball. So I know we had a lot of good times out there. Do you play a lot? I know you're up in Amarillo. It's a little chilly this time of year, but ⁓ when you do play, are you playing locally or are you going to see friends around the country and try to get out in some warm weather? Tim Tucker: You know, I really haven't been playing like I've been doing a lot of hunting, but, know, I people all the time, they're like, Hey, how, why'd you lose interest in golf so much? And it was because, you know, I think we were at the best place to play golf because we had a hundred scratch golfers. You know, lot of caddies are degenerates. Like I know I am, love to drink and gamble and have fun. You know, then my whole life, I always dreamed of joining a country club. God Bless Golf: Yes. What? Who does it? Tim Tucker: And the problem was when you joined a country club, there's not that many cool guys there, dude. So it's really difficult to find a good group of guys. You know, I have, I just found a guy here. He's a, it's funny. He's a, ⁓ orthopedic surgeon and he is one of the best ⁓ he's a total degenerate man. Drink, gamble, loves scratch golfer loves it. You know, so ⁓ you know, usually car dealers too. ⁓ God Bless Golf: Nope. Yeah, I a couple surgeons like that. Yeah, the list is long but distinguished. You Tim Tucker: Yeah, yeah, Yeah. God Bless Golf: That's great. I mean, that's what that's the point of having fun in the game too, right? I mean, you know, we say it all the time because if not, if not for seeking the opportunity and the different angles of golf, especially when you work in it, you know, for as long as you have, you're not going have a lot of fun with it because it's what you do every day. So, you know, seeking those like minded men and, you know, sometimes women in the group is certainly important to having fun. Cause I feel the same way. It's like, I'm not going to go join a country club where I can't go have an opportunity to maybe play with. 10 to 12 guys on a different weekend or a couple weekends in a row where it's, know, the vibes are high and everybody's talking about the bets they lost, most likely, or won. And that's what golf's all about. Playing golf for us is all about. I obviously the competitive side is one thing, but you know, I think Martin Kymar said it best after the USO putting one. He's like, yeah, I like shooting 80 with my boys way more than I like shooting 65 on Sunday. He's like, that's just a fact. . Yeah, well, go ahead, Timmy. Tim Tucker: Yeah, just. No, I was just going to say I I I love that man and I I really I'm really missing that in my life and I'm hoping to get that back so. God Bless Golf: Yeah, you know, I think too, Timmy is like a lot of people that, like a lot of us, we see these superstars, we see these golfers and we see these caddies and like, ⁓ man, it would be so cool to be, pick the guy's caddy. ⁓ it's kind of like, if you love pizza, right? Like I love pizza, but if I worked in a pizza restaurant seven a week, when I come home, I'm not making pizza. So I can see it. And I remember being a caddy at band and we all, Right. There were just days where like, the last thing I want to see is a golf course. Like I'm going anywhere other than to see golf. then the level that Tim is doing it, where it's not show up in, in its five hour day. I mean, especially with Bryson, was 20 hour days, but even with Kurt, because Tim does things a certain way. Those are full days. He's there to work hard. I've seen it in person and all those guys do not just Tim, but I can see where like the last thing you would want to do. is play golf and it would make you almost hate golf. Like think about guys that have been professional and then like, yeah, I'm myself, I turned pro and it went bad. And the last thing I wanted to see for four or five years was a golf club. And the fact that I've regained that joy and love for golf last 10, 12 years has been great. So I know how much you love the game, Timmy. has that been, now that you're not working as much on a bag as much, do you find yourself? trying to like it more or just trying to say, hey, I think I really do love this game and I really am excited about getting back into it. Tim Tucker: Yeah, no, do. I do love the game. I need to be patient with it because you know. You know when I was playing my best golf, you know wasn't that great, it was was low end amateur scratch amateur golf. ⁓ God Bless Golf: Tim's really good, don't let him fool you. I was gonna say I can remember meeting Tim for the first time and him going straight to the US mid-aim at Birmingham Country Club, so let's let's pump the brakes here. I Didn't want to bring that part up, but I knew you would so you gotta qualify Tim Tucker: Well, I did shoot 90 there. you know, there is a big, there's such a big difference in golf. Like, know, when you think you're a good golfer and then you go to, you know, the next level, like a mid end, which, know, that's what guys want to do. ⁓ for, you know, that jump is massive. And then you go from there to like an amateur and that jump is massive. And then you go from there to a tour event and it's huge. So I mean, there's levels, you think, you know, when you start thinking you're really good at golf, not. ⁓ It's a humbling game, but man, it is so fun to try and be good. But, you know, getting back to what you were saying, I'm trying to, you know, I'm really excited to go play golf. And then I've, you know, chunk of chip or something like that. I'm ready to leave the course. I'm like looking for my car, you know? So that's, that's a tough one. I can get over that, you know. God Bless Golf: You're wrong, absolutely. Yes. Tim Tucker: I'm gonna be good, so. God Bless Golf: Sorry, I'm making a lot of here. That's too funny. It's so true though, right? Like you just are so, that's just like, you're just on the range, just striping it you get the first hole. It's got like a slight dog leg left and it's just a shrimp in the trees. And even though you probably get a breakfast ball, you're like, where does that come from? I haven't hit one of those in 40 minutes. It is so. Great. Tim Tucker: I was at a turn. This guy asked me to play up in this thing in South Dakota every year. And so I go up and he has actual pros there and but he makes me a pro, which he shouldn't. But anyway, I do people, you know, I tell stories, whatever. But I remember I was hitting the ball so I was hitting it so good on the range and I was just like, man, this is weird. I'm like, I can't even miss a shot. And then as soon as I started thinking about it, I could not hit another ball in the range, man. And I was yes. I hit it all over the planet. like I talked my I was hitting it so good. I talked myself into hitting it bad. Like, it's nuts. God Bless Golf: Right. Yeah. Is there another, mean, I say it all the time. Imagine like waking up one morning and forgetting how to walk. That's how quickly golf can leave. And it makes no sense because there's really no other sport. There's really no other sport or a action that you do in your life where that it can leave that quickly. so that's funny that you say that because that's so, that's so relatable to pretty much anybody listening. go faster than that. Tim Tucker: ⁓ dude, and the tour pros struggle with it too every day, man. It's like, they're trying to find that one thing. And you know, the reality is it really doesn't come down to that. It's hard for me to speak at their level, but you know, this is what I'm seeing. These guys, you know. They need that confidence. need that. They need that one little thing, man. They're, they're as psycho as you and me are, right? Every single day they're losing their golf swing thinking they're losing their golf swing. And these guys are, know, you know, Bryson would shoot a 68 and just be livid, you know, it's like, okay, we got a four hour range session coming after this four under 68, you know, and, uh, just to try and find that one feeling so you can go out tomorrow. God Bless Golf: ⁓ I know. Right. To try to get one shot better. one thing he did. Yeah, so speak to that a little bit too because I obviously these guys are and I tell people this all the time just your your novice golfer about alignment and stuff these tour pros are setting their they're resetting their eyes every single day right they were getting their number they I remember you used to tell me that you would meet Bryson at 930 in the to go the numbers for the day and they and how Tim Tucker: So. God Bless Golf: how drastically they changed. And obviously these are guys at the highest level. Most people, most golfers aren't going to bend their clubs every single day. But like you talk about the psychoticness of these golfers and obviously is well known for ⁓ being out as far as how good he to be. But all these guys, even if they're not outwardly, they're all searching, like you said, for that one thing. And it's almost like they're so afraid they're going to lose it, they have to show up the next day and almost like restart the process. Is that true? Is that an accurate kind of perception of what we see? Tim Tucker: ⁓ yeah. You know, is. I think Rory talked about it a little bit a lot actually, you know, winning the final leg of the grand slam. He was talking, you know, I was so, I was on the range so much. I've kind of forgot how to play golf and ⁓ of his best friends, Shane Lowry, you know, if you look at Shane, now I don't know Shane very well, just friendly, Hey, what's up? But I don't, I'm God Bless Golf: Ahem. Great. Tim Tucker: Don't think he sees a physio every day. I don't think he works out every day. I know he drinks, you know, and then you look at a guy like Bryson physio working out, doing all no drinking, doing everything to ⁓ But what Shane does is play a ton of golf and you know, that's what this game is about. I tell Kurt, you know, he, he would spend hours on the range hitting his driver. And I'm like, look, the number one player in the world hits nine fairways around you hit. ⁓ God Bless Golf: Great. Tim Tucker: telling me if I give you one more fairway per round that you're going to win six times this year? And the answer is no, it's not that one fairway, but that's where they get so lost in, and it's. God Bless Golf: data. Tim Tucker: There's so much more to the game and there's there's so much low hanging fruit and that's kind of where I help Bryson and Kirk. You're going hey, let's understand how far the ball is going every second of the day. Let's understand what's happening when when the grounds wet. Let's understand how to hit this shot out of the rough judging our lives. Having experience with that and then applying that information to the to this shot on Thursday. You second hole, you know instead of. God Bless Golf: Okay. Tim Tucker: playing safe out of the rough, we're still attacking because we have good ideas of what's happening with this stuff. That's really how you get better. And it only takes, you if you look at a guy, asked a kid this the other day, Hey, uh, you play, how many rounds you play last year? said a hundred. go, okay, what are you to par? Do you think? And he said, I'm probably pretty close to even par. And I said, okay, so, you know, if we just get one shot better a day, now you're a hundred under, right? And A lot of that comes from our decision making and we're not doing that. We're thinking it's coming from some motion up here. You know, and it's not. God Bless Golf: I'm right. pitchers. Right. Sitting sitting there hitting. Well, that's a question too, Tim and we were we talked about that. I think actually you and I talked about that yesterday when we were chatting on the phone but I know Richie and I a couple weeks ago. talking about when I was down in Tampa playing in the Gasparilla and obviously it's not the same but you're playing a golf course. It's super windy with greens really small and and you might be dialed in your simulator on the range but the first hole You have 115 yards with a ball below your feet and the winds blowing hard right to left. can't that's now you got to hit a golf shot and it doesn't matter what, how many times you've worked on your swing. And with the, with the short amount of time that I do have, when I do want to go play, I rather go play five or six holes. And let's find out on my practice in my short game today. Am I working on iron shots out of the rough where I can actually see that immediate feedback. And I know that. you Yeah Well, you're talking about low hanging fruit. There's all these guys that have all these ideas. ⁓ we can do this. We can do that. Do you ever find that sometimes you're what you're telling these guys are so simple that they just don't want to believe it because they want to think it's something else. They have to put four hours in versus you just saying like you don't need to hit ball. You don't need to go lift weights for four hours. You just need to know what a ball does when it's fully plugged or what a flyer looks like. Tim Tucker: No, sorry. So this is a great story. We were at Wells Fargo last year and or the PGA championship. I don't know if that was last year before, whatever. Anyway, we're on the range and we played in the Wednesday Pro-Am and we nine holes, wasn't Pro-Am, just played nine holes, whatever. We're going to the range, we're finishing up, just warming down, right? And Kurt, I'm sitting there talking to Matt. And you know, Matt's been a friend of Daniel and Kurt for long time. So anyway, he's sitting there with us and we're just watching Kurt kind of chatting on the side and Kurt's striping it. But I can see his body language is negative. And I'm like. I mean, he played great than the nine holes. mean, we're ready to leave the course, man. It gets ready to go compete, you know, the next day. Anyway, I can see his body language. He's getting really upset. And I'm like, I'm like, what's wrong, dude? He's like, dude, I'm over fading the ball. And I'm like, what are you talking about? I go, where's your target? He goes, I'm aimed at the flag. And our guys, I'm aimed just barely left of the flag and it's drawing or it's fading like 10 yards. And I'm like, well, look at that huge American flag, man. There's a shoot 10 mile an hour loss win, bro. And he's like, what? I'm like, aim more, just a little more left. Okay. Hits it comes right down on the flag. He's like, Oh, I didn't think about the wind. God Bless Golf: Right. Tim Tucker: Yeah. And Matt, we were driving home, going to back to his place. And he's like, tell me, I am shocked that a guy of this caliber player was so focused on trying to hit it perfect that he took out the outside, you know, started ⁓ screwing up his golf swing, you know, God Bless Golf: Right. Yeah, especially in a game where we all we do is deal with outside factors, right? mean, I've learned everything I know from getting from this guy right in front of me, you know, but lie recognition is the number one thing and you kind of touched on early and then what's it going to do in the air and how far is it going today? Right. And I, when I was coaching the kids up in Montana, I used to tell them the same thing, dude. It's like, it's a daily game. Like what is going on today that's going to affect you? And then how are you going to affect the golf ball and make that outcome? as positive as possible. Because if you don't factor in all those little things, including if your girlfriend's mad at you or whatever, then it all makes a difference, right? And that odds up, especially at that level. Tim Tucker: Yeah, Yeah, no, I was just going to say I love that and you know, like I caddy for Tony fee now he they called me and asked me to do a week for him and I did and you know Tony is ⁓ he he he would really benefit from. You know some technology and you know everybody says hey, I'm a field player and I'm like well all golfers are field players, you know, but I think information enhances that feel. But anyway, Tony's approach. God Bless Golf: Well, I would have met, go ahead, Tim. Right. Tim Tucker: He'd hit it, you know, off the tee, hit it left into the trees or something, right? And walking up, you know, off the tee, he'd say, you know, man, I think there's a little going to be an opening there. And I think I'm to be able to get that, you know, up around the green or on the green. And every single time he hit it in the trees, that's what he was talking to me about where. And I thought that was really refreshing. He was, he was trying to fix the puzzle, dude. He wasn't trying to fix. He wasn't trying to like. God Bless Golf: Sounds familiar. Tim Tucker: Hey, how does this engine run? me exactly. just do that. Give me the key, put gas in it I'm going to drive over here. Right. He was problem solving from the moment he walked off the tee, not going, I'm over there behind this tree. So I would be able to do something. was so positive and I love that he was playing golf in his mind, not going, why am I hitting it left all the time? You know? And why he's so good with a little bit of technology that he does use. And if he, I felt like if he used more technology, he would be God Bless Golf: Right. Yes, I love that. Tim Tucker: He'd have won two or three majors by now. God Bless Golf: Now when you say use technology, are you talking about he doesn't track man anything or you're saying just his clubs? Yeah. Tim Tucker: No, I mean he uses Trackman, but it's like... He kinda uses it just as a... If you ask Tony how far he hits a 7-iron, he'll say... He'll say around 180. You know, and I'm like... God Bless Golf: because it was free. Yeah, baseline. Tim Tucker: But that could be 167 to 185, you know. That's a massive gap. You know, a good example, Kurt, we were in Austin playing in the match play. And we teed off at 8 o'clock in the morning, our first match. He was hitting his six iron when we teed off 194. When we finished the round at 2 o'clock, he was hitting at 211. That's a 17-yard difference, OK, in temperature, density, altitude, wet conditions that make the ball spin up. So all these things affect it. God Bless Golf: Right. Tim Tucker: We're talking to 17 yard gapping. Well, all you have to do is fly over one pin over the back of the green and make a double and you're mentally a mess. So that's the kind of stuff I'm talking about, you know, and, and I didn't know about this either. Right. And it kind of created it with Bryce and we were looking at his stats when he was a rookie and we're like, if you had hit it one yard closer to the pin with every club, you would be number one in every iron play category. And it's like, God Bless Golf: You're done. You're never gonna hit it. You're never gonna hit a pin high again. Yep. Talk to you. one yard. Tim Tucker: How are we going to get this? How are we going to get three feet? Right? Well, it's not from his golf swing. We're going to get it from better decision-making, you know, and that started all this process, which turned out to be, you know, really great information. God Bless Golf: Dang. Yeah. So when let's go back to that first. It's a great was going to tell a story about the time you were I don't know why you were in Ocala, but Dull and I were playing a tournament. You remember that and you came in like we would just you were like raking bunkers for me a month after Bryson wins the US Open ⁓ we were all having dinner and some guy you asked somebody a question and he answered and this was a mid-amateur good dude, but I mean obviously not an elite player and he said, ⁓ I'm a field player and Timmy's like that means you have no idea. Tim Tucker: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I remember that. God Bless Golf: And and and and you're right because who wouldn't say that when it's cold, I'm a field player. I hit my seven iron 160 in reality. You're like no you hit it 153. You're not even close to 160. But regarding the density altitude when you start talking about it something that I live by I've I've tell everybody I know at any chance I can some people believe me. I have people that are on other. podcast, they'll be on some Twitter debate and they'll text me and they'll be like, what is it again? And I tell them and when did that app with you and Bryson, when did that become, when did y'all grasp at or was that you or was that him or ⁓ tell a little bit about that whole story of the, where that came from. Tim Tucker: Yeah. We were at Travelers and this is his rookie year and his coach, you know, just had been looking at his stats and had mentioned that the night before. so, know, I was in the military and I was on a rifle team and, ⁓ you know, we used, we used density altitude for, long range shooting. Well, you know, ballistics, right? And I'm like, well, these are balls and they're flying through the air. Maybe this will apply. a time ago I read something. ⁓ God Bless Golf: Hehe. Yep. Tim Tucker: I was going to visit my sister in Fort Myers and they had a Titleist ball testing center there. And I thought it was going to be this really cool thing. And it wasn't, it was just this shack with a thing launching balls, right? And measuring them. Anyway, what I found out was, you know, and they, yeah, I read this so long ago. This is probably 25 years ago. And I read that, Hey, for every temperature change, you know, above or below your normal God Bless Golf: You ballistic missile hut for golf balls. Tim Tucker: playing temperature, you gain or lose a foot of distance just for every degree of temperature. So I was like, okay, well, let's start there. Okay. And then we started looking at altitude and understanding that, you know, hey, we play in Florida at a thousand feet, right? We can go from Honda to Bay Hill and then the Polish championship, three weeks in a row. God Bless Golf: players. Tim Tucker: all played at 89 feet or whatever it is right above sea level. But the density altitude can change, right? It can be density altitude, the barometric pressure, temperature, altitude combined, right? So it's usually around a thousand feet when we're in Florida. But also turf conditions change that. So if the grass is different in all three locations, that affects spin rates, right? And then you add water and things like that. I just started collecting this data because Bryson never hits a shot without You know, a GC and a flight scope, right? We always had both of those with us, even when we went on the golf course. And then we started reverse engineering all this stuff and voila, right? We got all this great data and it helped make us better. Bryson was the best at, you know, he always said, this is so crazy to think. The guy had most talented golfer I've ever seen in my life. I've never seen someone hit iron shots as well as this guy. And then he became one of the best drivers in the world. God Bless Golf: needing to know everything. you Tim Tucker: And then putters is putter as well. He's amazing putter. But, ⁓ he always said, I never felt like I was talented enough as talented as these other kids. So that's why I started using my brain to become better in applying physics to golf. Well, when I started coming up with this stuff, he was all about it. And he would try anything, man. We'd put golf balls and hot tubs. We'd put golf balls in freezers, you know, the places we were standing and run out and test them, you know, and He was always great about it. Now, if it didn't work, he'd be like, you're a idiot. But if it didn't work, he'd be like, let's implement it. And then he would make it even better because he's know, rabbit, know, rabbit, that going down the rabbit hole, right? Which is great. And then his precision ball striking, you know, you knew you were getting good data because, know, when he'd go test with these companies, God Bless Golf: Right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Tim Tucker: they'd say, dude, you're almost as accurate as iron Byron, which is insane. God Bless Golf: And I'm glad you said that because I wanted to ask that question real quick because I mean, I remember you telling me this. Cheers. You're like, I've never, and I witnessed it on watching you guys one day in a practice round. He hit a four iron, basically he wanted to hit it 180 feet in the air just to tell you he could, and then he did it, or would just pick balls off sand. Have you, obviously clearly he's the most accomplished guy you've ever seen, but have you ever, I mean, but you've seen them all. You've played with Tiger, I mean, just name the guys. Have you ever seen anybody hit it like him? in in your groups i mean are you ever like yeah this guy hits it better than him or is it not even close Tim Tucker: The only time I never forget, were playing so broke 2016 Oakmont and we were paired with Jason Day. were 15 off that last day on Sunday we ended up 15th, but Jay Day was putting on a clinic and I don't, ⁓ Dustin Johnson ended up winning, but he was hitting this, the driver perfectly. was, I mean, we, he hold out, he chipped in on 12. God Bless Golf: That was the year he went nuts, right? Tim Tucker: ⁓ for Eagle and I told Bryson I said we're playing with the US Open champion. Unfortunately, he doubled 17. He drove it up by the green went back and forth over the bunkers and ended up losing. But I was the only time I'd ever seen anybody outstrip out ball strike Bryson DeChambeau and dude the guy like I it's shocking like we he could hit his seven iron or his forearm 270 yards and hit it like we hit our you know, gap wedge. It's was a joke. I mean, I was never people always ask me, are you nervous? And I'm like, no, man, because I know, like, I felt confident the numbers were done because all the data we were collecting. And I'm like, if we can get this guy in the right club, he's going to stripe it. I mean, it is so fun to watch. Now, wedging was another thing. Sorry. ⁓ God Bless Golf: Yeah, like we get a sandwich from a hundred. It's amazing you say that because I don't I don't think, sorry. It's amazing you say that because when you're in the moment and you're calling the shop for somebody else and we kind of talked about this a little bit before, but you have that much information and you know it's right, then don't get nervous giving the info to the guys, at least in my experience and the little that I have out there. But ⁓ that's I learned from you is just be so confident because you haven't missed an angle or an element. What's that? Go ahead, Richie. that whatever you're going to give him becomes down to an execution. And you know, the allowance for the variance for, you know, a proper shot is going to be an acceptable outcome if you've got the data right. And so I eat that stuff up when I hear you talk about it. So cool to be able to affect your game by yard. Tim Tucker: Yeah, you are. You're a million percent right, dude. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, you're exactly right, man. And, you know, from a player standpoint, too, Chip, you guys know this. It's like, if I'm walking it down for you, right, and we're covering every single element, like we've done the research, we've worked the math problem. Now it's like, dude, okay, execute. I am fully confident in this club. You know, when you're doubting the club, it's very difficult to hit gray. And I think that was good part of, know, when we're, when he was nervous, like we're coming down the stretch, winning the tournament, you know, that's where that stuff is the most important because it's a checklist. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, hit, right? There's no time for negativity or being scared because we're just working the problem. Right. So that was really, it was just a great thing that we did. Somehow we stumbled upon it it really worked well for him. God Bless Golf: Hehehehehe Right. Yeah, you're talking about. Are you shocked that not a, know we've talked about this before in the past and it's funny you mentioned Matt Tory and I were talking about this a couple of ago when we were chatting about like if I was like, you just need to tell them the number and where to hit it. Like sometimes, yes, there is a checklist, but you see it sometimes on the golf course, the interaction between the caddy and the player and neither one wants to kind of take that. this is what it is where it's like these guys kind of like you mentioned them hitting in the wind. mean, they're so focused on what they're trying to do sometimes. Yes, you've done all the work it's it's 143 hit it at that thing versus let's re-talk about the math that you and Bryson were doing on Monday and Tuesday and Wednesday. And it's kind of like the old story when John Wooden, the famous coach for UCLA basketball, he'd come in the locker room pre-game. says, boys, I've done my job now go do yours. and he would just sit on the bench and watch them win all the time. And always said this about you guys when you were with Bryson or really anybody you were with ⁓ kind of stuff you guys do pre Thursday. Did you ever you ever feel like you're almost like eight under before you've even teed off just because you've you know that you're doing stuff that really none of these guys do. And are you shocked that more guys and maybe they are because obviously I don't know how many people are reaching out but the more players aren't trying to jump on this bandwagon as if Yep. you ⁓ They're afraid if they have too much information that they're not going to play well. And it's like, are they that just fragile minded about everything or they just don't want to accept any of the new stuff? Like what's, what's been your take? Cause I'm sure people reach out to you all the time. ⁓ and ask. Tim Tucker: Yeah, dude, it's. Yeah, like anyone people or when they when they played the BMW Championship in Colorado, right? Like acid finds. like seven calls that week going hey man, how do I? How do we do this? And I'm like. God Bless Golf: Yeah. ⁓ Yeah, altitude, air density, wind, humidity. It's 40 in the morning, it's 70 at night. Tim Tucker: Yeah, exactly. You know, they sent me this chart that I think I forget who who's caddy it was. Is that like, like I said, a bunch of guys call me and they sent me this chart they made up and I'm like. Where'd you get this shit? It makes no fucking sense. Like if you just look at the increments in the math, it Guys, not that complicated. Yeah, they were totally guessing right, but they're getting their based off numbers like air density in Colorado or excuse me in, you know. God Bless Golf: They're guessing. Yeah. Tim Tucker: Whereas at Castle Pines, Then the altitude can change from morning from like 5,000 feet to 10,000 feet. We're talking another 10 % change in distance. I mean, that could be 15 yards. If they got their numbers in the afternoon and they're playing the next morning and it's wet, they're not even close. Anyway, a guy came over the green and he's just like, it's like, dude, you gotta know this stuff, right? God Bless Golf: Mm-hmm. Denver, in the summer it's probably 12,000 feet. Right. Right. Tim Tucker: The density out to you. shocked that guys don't know it. had Patrick Cantley was hitting balls next to us one day and he's like, Hey dude, are you seeing some weird spin numbers right now? Cause it was raining, right? It in the afternoon, but it was misting. And I'm like, I'm like, no, we're not. He's I'm like, why, what are you seeing? Because one of my lob wedge is spinning like 8,500. I'm like, yeah, that's normal. He's like, no, I spin it at 12. I'm like, I know, but it's wet right now. He's like, what do you mean? You know, I'm like, God Bless Golf: restriction. Tim Tucker: And he and his coach are standing, you know, his caddy. I'm like, guys, man, I mean, this is, you know, Patrick's a great player. And I mean, if he like, think how much better he'd be if he were one shot better, he probably wouldn't lose very much. Right. and by the way, I love Patrick Cantley. A lot of people don't like him. Yeah. fucking great. He is really smart. ⁓ He has a face kind of like mine that doesn't smile. God Bless Golf: Yes. Great. I mean, he's been through a heck of a ride and a heck of a road, but to be able to come back and keep playing. Tim Tucker: And he says, people just judge me before they even talk to me. And I'm like, and he didn't give a fuck either. That's the best part too, you God Bless Golf: ⁓ absolutely. That's great. I mean, yeah, forget that. think I texted you a random text about two years ago and I said if Rory and Patrick Cantley were wrestling who would you take? You said you'd take Rory. So is Cantley just too not thick enough for you or what? Tim Tucker: I mean, worry is pretty intense. ⁓ he's determined as fuck too, you know, but great. Nice. Like we played with him recently. I don't know what he'd won. He had won something the week before we played in, ⁓ in the team tournament. played with Shane Lowry at, ⁓ in New Orleans. I don't know what's before that, but I think he had won the. ⁓ God Bless Golf: Because Rory's strong, isn't he? Yeah, Roy's got that weight room strength. Yeah, yeah. The Zurich, the Zurichs, the Masters maybe? Tim Tucker: Boy, I don't know. I, I know. Cause you go to Hill after Augusta. Anyway, we won the event the week before and he was still intense. You know, and I, man, he put on a show with his putter. Holy hell. He is so good. I mean, they're all good, but you know, there's definitely a difference between the top 20 and the top 50 and the top hundred. mean, three. God Bless Golf: can't remember. Let me ask you this, Timmy. We got Houston coming up this week. Is that really truly the master's prep they make it out to be? Are guys getting ready on that golf course like they're talking about? Tim Tucker: You know, mean, they, where's that golf tournament? It's at MacArthur Park, I think. God Bless Golf: Yeah, I think so. Yeah. It's in Houston. Yeah. Tim Tucker: Yeah, it is. Now I've never played it. We've we've played there two of the last three years and it is immaculate for a public golf course dude. It is phenomenal I know. The Greens great. I don't know if it's a great Masters prep like it used to be. ⁓ Everything around green is closely moan. It's forgiving off the T which Augusta you know there's half the holes are half the holes aren't. God Bless Golf: Right. Tim Tucker: Gustav's it's man, that is a. A unique test of golf. think they, I think a lot of players have said that if the Masters weren't there, they probably wouldn't play there because the course I'm not going to say tricked up. But it's it's really, really, really, really difficult. Like if you had to play it every day, you'd be probably wouldn't like it because it can kick kick your ass. I mean, I dreamed of a whole life there I played with Bryson. God Bless Golf: Yeah, that's like Pine Valley. Tim Tucker: and a member and his agent. and I, I was short of the green, you know, my, my, my, I think I hit a four iron in cause I played the back tee with Bryce and you know, those guys hit like nine irons in, but, ball hit the front and rolled off ⁓ the green and the pin was really almost middle of the green, like the easiest pin you could get. And I chipped it up and it broke. went up. God Bless Golf: difference in the number T. Tim Tucker: went right up to the pin about three feet from the pin and then rolled right back down to my feet and I made a double. And I was just like, I just chipped the ball three feet to the pin I made double, you know? And I was like, dreamed of playing this course my whole life and I was ready to walk to the parking lot again. ⁓ God Bless Golf: Thanks, Bobby. just kind like we talked about earlier in the show, had one of those moments. Timmy and even hit the second tee and he's like, fuck this play. Get me out of here. Tim Tucker: But dude, I will say we played there and I, was a struggle with Bryson because you know, he'd get so in his head. He wants to win that tournament so bad. It was never enjoyable. And then when I played with Kurt, because Kurt is the greatest fucking guy on the planet. He's always smiling. He's the nicest guy and he's a hell of a competitor. And we had played windy year. I think this was two years ago, maybe three anyway. God Bless Golf: you Tim Tucker: me. We were even par after two days, made the cut and we're kind of like maybe ⁓ you know, going into the weekend and Kirk shoots 82 on Saturday. And I mean striped it, striped it and shot 82. And was like, Yeah. He was really dejected. And you know, we were probably in 54th place at this point. And I'm like, Hey, you know, Tiger shot 82 today. tied him. If you can say you tied Tiger at Augusta, you did pretty good. went out on Sunday and you know, we're out of the tournament, no big deal. But I mean, it was so windy. The greens were insane. I'd never seen them so hard and fast and firm. And Kirk shot 66, I think. And it was like hitting, you had to hit the ball. had to be so precise. We made the best decisions. Kirk striped it. We walked off. If you look behind me, there's a picture of us. God Bless Golf: so. Tim Tucker: out in front of Augusta after we cut the line to take a picture. We were so happy about our round. And like it was my most, like it was my happiest experience at Augusta ever. And we finished like 30th. So, you know, but that course is like, wished everybody had the opportunity to walk it. If you haven't, need to go, you know, my goal was to go watch it on Monday and drink one beer per hole. And I think that's the Augusta challenge, but that would be a fun day. God Bless Golf: Love it. Right. Yes. That's it. Yeah. You, ⁓ it's quite the walk. I can't even imagine because you've, you've cattyed and how many masters do you know offhand? It's like six or seven. Tim Tucker: . I think six or seven. God Bless Golf: ⁓ god. yeah. So what, it like? Like when you, the first time you go caddy on a Monday in the practice round and you're thinking, man, I got to walk this thing six more days. mean, ⁓ wears your legs out. If you're in good shape, you're carrying a bag. Not only a bag, you're carrying the heaviest bag in the history of the PGA tour. ⁓ that accurate to say Bryson's bag? There's never been a bag heavier. Tim Tucker: Yeah, it's pretty heavy. question. Yeah, he's got all kinds of gadgets. His clubs are longer, you know, heavier. God Bless Golf: when it's grips or yeah, like elephant trunk, what is, I know we've all, the three of us here, we've all caddied. I tell stories, there's mornings I'd be abandoned and I couldn't even feel my toes, but the minute my feet hit the grass, your legs just work. And obviously when you're out there working and grinding, you know it's a long day, but ⁓ mean, are there ever times where you're like, man, please, please don't hit it left on this hole because if I have to walk down here ⁓ all your clubs and then bring it back up to the green. ⁓ Tim Tucker: Yeah. I have the perfect story, dude. We were playing with Adam Scott and Stevie Williams was caddying for Adam Scott. And by the way, Stevie is like, the most winning caddy in golf history by a mile. He's caddied for every number one player for like 25 years. And know, you're going to think he's going to be this arrogant dick and he wasn't, he was, he is the coolest fucking guy. Right. And he. ⁓ God Bless Golf: Yeah. Tim Tucker: is always walking ahead of everybody by 50 yards. He's like, it's like he's running an Ironman, dude. He is just motivated to get up there. And we're on 18, it's humid. And the only time it's really bad at humid, or when it's bad at Augusta is when it's humid. If it's, you know, a nice day, it's, the walk's no big deal. But we're wearing the big jumpsuit and anyway, it's hot as hell, humid as fuck. And Adam Scott has not missed a shot all fucking day. He is, I don't know, he is playing great. And worse down there, I'm sweating my balls off and I'm like, I don't know if I'm going to be able to make the 18th hole. I am a fucking dime. And, uh, like I say, Adam Scott has not missed a drive. He hits it, he fans it into the trees on the right. And I was walking up and I was with Kirk and I was like, I'm so happy he hit it in the fucking trees. Now we can, we're going have to stop and wait for him to hit up. Cause he'd only hit it like 200 yards off the tee. Then he hit it into another tree and it. God Bless Golf: You Tim Tucker: He made a double and I was so happy because I got to rest the whole way and I made it up. So ⁓ get back to the caddy yard and I'm like Stevie, you know, cause he's fucking sprinting out there. was like, dude, how'd you do it? He goes, bro, I had to drink an electrolyte packet on the 18th T just to get the fuck up the hill. I was like, dude, you look fresh as a daisy. ⁓ he ripped his fucking suit off. He was so pissed. He had to wear it. It was so funny. God Bless Golf: Yeah Tim Tucker: But it made me feel better because I was like being such a puss, but it was great. God Bless Golf: ⁓ dude. ⁓ man. I can't imagine being down there on like 16T down in the valley down there just on a humid day where it happens to be ultra hot, bro. Is that not the... Sweat. Or like, or the, ahead. Tim Tucker: I'll take how far you think I'm at the bottom and I've got to go all the way up there, but I got to go fucking zigzag all the way up there. You know, remember like old Mac, I would stand on old Mac on the fifth hole, the 50 and that'd be like Jesus Christ in about three hours. I'm going to be over here 50 yards to the left of me on 16. God Bless Golf: I rate... yeah! That is so true, dude. Breh. There's nothing worse than being out there on a hot day at Old Mac, no wind or something, and you're like, ⁓ my God, I gotta cross the world. Tim Tucker: And he's looking at me like, I'm walk all, to walk from here to there 50 yards, I'm gonna walk all over this shit. Teddy's terrible. God Bless Golf: Hot trails is the worst. Yeah. ⁓ man, that's so funny. That's so funny. UGH That just goes to show you no matter where you catty in the world when it's hot human. There's no way nobody wants to be out there Man, it's like the right side of three abandoned trails on a warm day It's not only you're sweating but there's like a million mosquitoes and there's nothing you can do to get out of there That is so funny ⁓ god... Tim Tucker: Well, I'll tell you, I've been so hot in a tournament, I'm just like, and we're in the lead, right? And I'm like, or one back, and I'm like, look, dude, just either win this tournament or lose it. I don't know if I can make it another playoff fucking hole. God Bless Golf: What I can remember and I was going to ask you this too. I think it was the year. Um, it was after you had, it had to be 2018. When was Oakmont? 2018. And yeah. So you had gone, I think you had done Bryson at congressional and he like buried the last four to make the cut. And then you went straight into Oak. I can't remember exactly what the combo, but I remember you had a tournament where Tim Tucker: You know. 2016. God Bless Golf: It was so hot on a brutal course and you're thinking, you know, nobody wants the weekend off, but I mean, you had, had, he had done pretty well. And I think you were like, this course is so hard and so hot. And then he makes the cut and you're going like four days at congressional followed by like four days at. You know, Oakmont, what have of all the times that you've, what are like the word, what's like the worst back to back combo as a looper out there as far as golf courses it. Thanks. Because obviously, and we'll ask a few questions about the Masters, prep and how different it is nowadays ⁓ to even 10 years ago and how guys prepared, whether what tournaments they play. But like, I know you've spent some, were over in Dubai and Saudi Arabia, know, back to back weeks, but like, are there some middle of the year tour events where it's like two weeks in a row on just beast courses that you know you're gonna run out of baby powder and Vaseline because there's nothing you can do. ⁓ There's just nothing you can do. Tim Tucker: Yeah, dude. Well, I think, I think one year we did the FedEx Cup finals were Memphis, which is hottest place on the planet. Then we went to Chicago and played Medina hot as hell. And then they went and finished at East Lake hot as hell in Hilly as can be Memphis. Well, when I catty for Tony, he was like, it was at Memphis two years ago at Memphis. was so hot. Like. God Bless Golf: Memphis. Yeah. Yeah. Tim Tucker: I think the heat index was 110 and it was terrible. like, were given IVs. had a couple caddies pass out players like Kurt was putting ice in his hat. He was getting dizzy, you know? And then when I went back and caddy for Tony this year, last year, he was like, this place gave me PTSD, man. And it was beautiful that you're at caddy for Tony there. was, but when you get in the humid places, it's like, why aren't we playing in organ in Washington in August. That would be nice, you know? God Bless Golf: Right. He has some Northwest golf. ⁓ man. Tim Tucker: But I tell you, Eastlake is hard, man. Cause you know, if no one's ever been to Eastlake, go up, down, up, down, up, down, all the whole front side. And then the back nine, you know, you're up, down, up, across, down, up, down, up, down. I mean, it's just like, and it's so hot and humid. And those are big hills at Eastlake. Now Eastlake is a beautiful golf course. They'd probably be a little better to play if it were flatter. It is a grind. God Bless Golf: That's hard for a fan, by the way. I've got- ⁓ yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. that's so true too, because it's not always like, it's not always the, many steps you're taking is where are those steps? Cause if you have 40 straight steps of soft sand uphill, that's like 400 steps just on, normal grass. mean, I remember obviously all our times abandoned wherever the soft sand was certain spots, you're just like, damn, I hate this part of the walker. ⁓ trying to avoid it any way you can. And it's funny just not just ⁓ those steps add up in. not only that you're going through that kind of physical like, but you're also dealing with, know, fragile individual who's trying to win a golf tournament and, and, and, and bring all that in. And last thing he's going to, he wants to hear from his caddies how tired you are. it's not like you're, you're sharing, you're sharing any of that information with your player, but, um, Hey, let's get into a little bit Timmy before. And obviously, um, you know, we, and believe me, we're going to have Timmy's going to be on a lot and there's, could, we could. Great. Literally, this could be a seven hour episode if we wanted it to be, and it will be over time. But a couple of things that are happening right now in the game of golf, Tim, I don't know how much time you spend watching golf tournaments. Obviously, you have a lot of friends that are still out there. Obviously, you have a lot of friends that are still looping out there. So I'm sure you're paying attention to it. But this past week at Innisbrook, which is I know, of course, you know very well, you know how hard it is. I think you even said it's the hardest tour event they play outside of a major. What did you make of or did you hear about any of the slow play stuff with Matt Fitzpatrick? And then maybe give me a little story or something you know, if you've ever spent time with Matt Fitzpatrick, seems like a good dude, a hell of a player, but did you hear any about that, about the slow play? And is that just something as... Tim Tucker: Yeah, I did watch it and the reason I watched it, David Lipski, he's a really good friend of Kurt's and he's never won and he's an amazing guy. And I was like attuned, I haven't not watched the tournament in a while, but I tuned in for that because I really wanted David to win that tournament. And then when I forget who it was, was it a rookie kid or who was the slow plug? God Bless Golf: it's the frenchman pop you know he's got three names or something Sounds like something I'd order at a French restaurant. ⁓ C'est des croissants or something. Tim Tucker: Yeah, he, kept them hearing them talk about it. Like we couldn't feel it. Like we couldn't see it. Right. They weren't showing him, but they were talking about it. And I was, I was telling my wife, I'm like, man, I can see how frustrated he's getting. He needs to fucking reel it in and deal with it. Right. And I think one of the announcers or Kisner said, you know, he needs to get in his, stay in his bubble. Right. I really thought David was going to win the tournament because of that. ⁓ Which would have been a tragedy, right? I mean, it's tough, right? But, you know, again, that's just another, that's one of those things, man, you got to deal with, right? But he was able to overcome it, which was great. We've been, usually Bryson always been blamed as the slow player. And I don't know how warranted that is because he hits it further than everybody by 50 yards, right? And he's, he was arguably one of the best drivers in the game, you know, when he was up and hit it so far. But I mean, so we couldn't walk up to our ball. We could, but we'd have to walk off 30 yards into the rough because everybody's, you know, we're in front of everybody. So we couldn't even do anything. So then when it's our turn to hit, we had to go get our yardage. We couldn't get it like everybody else. Cause usually all three guys are the same distance and they're not all in a line. So can get your numbers and stuff. So, and what he'd say was, Hey, I'm fastest tee to green. And then I take a little more time around the green, you know, God Bless Golf: 50 years, but yeah. Tim Tucker: I don't think slow play is a big issue on tour. I will say, you know, we used to go to the croc to go to crossings, play a five ball in four hours and easily. We get a two on tour and it is we are hauling ass to play in under four. And I can't explain why, because I feel like we are hauling ass. I hate twosomes. Threesomes are nice because you can just go. But the reality is. God Bless Golf: easily. 100 % Tim Tucker: And I got to get, you know, the USGA, they like, we've all played in qualifiers and you've all been to that point. Hey, if you're not at the checkpoint, you know, in eight minutes, you're going to be dinged too. And then you run all the way there and then you stand and wait on the next tee. But I don't think there's been a US Open played in the last 20 years that's been under five and a half hour rounds and close to six. And, know, you start to set the courses up hard. That's really what slows play down. God Bless Golf: Yeah. ⁓ my God. even in the finals. Tim Tucker: And like you said, I told you in this book is a very difficult course. You've played it. The rocks up, you know, you're trying to win a tournament. This guy's just trying to finish and make money. know, when you the courses get hard play, get slow. So, yeah, it's a combination. I'm not saying that. Yeah, you know, everybody, it's everybody's responsibility to play fast. And it's also the tours to be on the right guy. You know, like saying, hey, Matt, we recognize this guy's playing slow. You play your pace. We'll get on him. God Bless Golf: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good point. Tim Tucker: You know, but usually slip was not that big of an issue on. God Bless Golf: Right, okay. Yeah, I mean, I know there's some people that like to make a big deal about it they were making a really big deal on Sunday about this. They asked Matt about it and I thought he took the high road with his answer. I mean, he was like, look, dude, like, I mean, I start, if I start worrying about a slow player, then what does that do to my game? And to your point about the USGA. Yep. I mean, we can have a whole podcast about this, but I can remember and it was actually you and Maddie were caddying for me and Dole at Pinehurst and it was that second round and we were going to make match play. Mark and I were pretty good and the guys we were with were kind of struggling and they kept pushing us and pushing us and you your pace, your pace, and then we get done. And I'm like, we teed off five hours and 30 minutes ago. How do you, you tell us we have some sort of pace and then what's the new pace? Five and a half. And then when does it become six? And to me, That always driven me crazy about USGA stuff. And like you said, I get why you say it because you got to have players move along. But you're what Tim's basically saying is the people on maybe the outside noise, the media, the TV, they make more of a big deal about it because it's not like players and caddies are just sitting around and be like, ⁓ you're slow. You're slow. Right. Cause everybody you're playing for millions of bucks. You're going to take your time. And like Tim said, the whole course is hard and the greens are lightning fast. Yeah. Tim Tucker: Yeah. You know, and a player can hit it, you know, the fast player can be playing fast and then hit it off the planet. And then, you know, and they're in a situation where it's just very difficult. They need a ruling and then the shot's tough and take more time. And I think I saw someone this week, like, I think it was in Cantlay's group on the seventh hole, the players last week. I mean, I think there was a time that took like someone didn't hit a shot for seven minutes, you know. God Bless Golf: Right. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Tim Tucker: I was like, Jesus, it's just situational. You know, it's going to happen, but I don't think it's a big deal. you're looking at man, what's the difference between a four hour round and a four and a four thirty? You know, it's a minute. It's a minute and 20 seconds per hole. God Bless Golf: Right and they can't, yeah. No, and for tea. Right. Yeah, and for TV purposes too, like the only guys that are getting any kind of footage or about or in the lead or have a, know, there might be a slow guy that's three over on the back nine that no one cares about ⁓ and they're bringing it up. ⁓ it's kind of like a, ⁓ what do they call it? Like a victim of the moment or like, you know, now it's in the moment. we're going to talk about And I think it goes away. And, and, and if, if you're saying that nobody's really, it's not really bothering anybody ⁓ all together than, ⁓ something not we're gonna we're not gonna harp on. Also currently, go ahead, Richie. tell you, excuse me, and that just brings us kind of right into our award winner for this week for Toddler Zone. And it goes to the guy in your group who constantly thinks he needs to overthink it and be slow. do not be that guy. You know, I really wanted to give it to Adrian Dumont de shush shush shush shush tart or what, but let's be honest, Timmy saved him from his Toddler Zone sticker this week. However, Yeah. Just. you Toddler's Zone award winners are all you idiots out there thinking that you can't play good and play fast at the same time. There's two gentlemen in front of me who can do that very well. And as we mentioned, five balls can play in three hours. So do not be that guy. Yeah, I mean you can play fast and I've always laughed at the courses that are like, we have a no fivesome policy. And I'm thinking me and four of my buddies can play faster than the having camp duo. Like we all know how to play. Like when it's time to play, play. Now, obviously if you're out there playing for a million bucks, I mean, it's a little different vibe. But at the end of the day, you can play bad fast. And there's nothing better than the guy that doesn't think he's slow. Tim Tucker: Yeah, that's right. God Bless Golf: the ultimate when you're like Jason Humphrey, like he doesn't think he's a slow player. Even Glover, we didn't wait on a group all day. Well, yeah, because everybody was waiting on you. ⁓ my Tim Tucker: Yeah. Yeah, why don't you pair ⁓ Humphreys with Amos and see how this goes. Watch time stand still. God Bless Golf: the the Tim Tucker: Yeah. Grrr! God Bless Golf: One more thing too currently ⁓ Bryson another big win another win in South Africa now I know Tim you've done some live before did you watch ⁓ of it is any of that golf for something you would like to watch I know you did did caddy for ⁓ in a live events but regardless of how exciting it may or may not be. looked like South Africa was a time. So it looks like that event, like that particular event looked like a great time. And I'm not one of those guys. I know all these guys out there on the live tour are really good and I know how good Bryson is. So what does that tell you when you see, ⁓ you watched it or not, ⁓ can let me know. But when ⁓ winning at the clip, he's winning. What you think that does for him ⁓ going all the majors this year? Tim Tucker: Yeah, that's a tough one, man. don't, you know, his, what was it? Two years ago that he finished second, second, first, miscut, right? mean, if you think about this in a, in, in a person's career, if you had a 10 year career, Bryson will have a 20 year career. Okay. He's going to play in 80 majors. Right. I don't know if he'll ever be able to do second, second, first, miscut again ever. Well, that may have been the highlight. Would it surprise me if he won Augusta? No, or any major. mean, he can win any, he can win any tournament, but you know that I feel like the talent level on the PGA tour is a lot higher. just, I mean, look at the math, right? Just, and you're playing a hundred and God Bless Golf: Right, clearly. Do you think it's in his head? Yeah, just better. Tim Tucker: You know, 44 man field versus a 50 man field, right? Just your odds of winning are, you know, 30 % better, right? I think, I don't know the math, but, uh, no, the, the live tournaments are fun. You know, it's like, I would probably say that one was probably like our, like the waste management, you know, which is a, is a great tournament. I don't know if I would want to do, you know, 22 waste managements a year, but I like it. God Bless Golf: Gotcha. Right. Tim Tucker: I do like that one. And I don't mind it when they, you know, cause almost every course now is building up one big stadium hole, you know, where they let people get a little rowdy and stuff like that, which I think is really fun, especially as a viewer. And I don't think there's a better setup in golf. you said, Tim, you can only go to one tournament and you've never been to one, which one would you go to? I'd say go to the, go to the Pontevedra and watch the players. That course is the best. God Bless Golf: Right. Yep. Tim Tucker: golf course on the planet when we play it or when they play it. The energy around 16 and 17 is the best in golf. uh, and I, man, I, it, I love go. was really disappointed that I wasn't caddying this year at the players. is the greatest golf course and it's not, it's not that it's hard. Um, it's not impossible. Okay. Like a us open. God Bless Golf: So true. So great. It's not hard. Right. Mm-hmm. Tim Tucker: It's very scoreable. You can get it right. I think there was a 62 or 61 or 63 this year or whatever. Nine under. Okay. It's totally gettable. Like I don't care. There's, there's like three hard holes on the golf course. Four being very difficult, even though it's short. God Bless Golf: There's a bunch. There was a 29 on the. Yeah, 63 for sure. out to Pandy, he called that out a couple weeks ago. Number four, very difficult. Tim Tucker: 14 very difficult and 18 God Bless Golf: 14 is really hard because that green is so, and 18 is very, yeah, yeah, 18 is so good. Tim Tucker: So, I mean, those holes, know, seven used to be a hard hole, but man, the way the guys are hitting it now, they're wedges and wedges in it. God Bless Golf: some guys were hitting three wood off the tee when it was downwind. But yeah, you're right. six in my opinion is a harder hole just because of how weird that green is. But yeah, you're. Tim Tucker: Yeah, dude. Yeah, yeah, you gotta kick a field goal though because you can just a little out of position. You got palm trees in your way. But yeah, that that golf course man. I love that place. They they that should be a major. I'm just saying, but anyway. God Bless Golf: Yeah. Split opinions here. Here we go Well, yeah, I mean, I, it, can call it. I don't think they need to add a fifth major. It's a major, however you want to, however you want to turn it. ⁓ it's funny you say that though, cause you know, you know, Matt shoot from a lab golf, was in town and, and he had never been to the players. And so obviously being that kind of my hometown background, said, Hey, my brother-in-law has got an office around the corner. We'll park there. We'll walk over. And he had never been there. And we were cruising around and I said, The fervor, you can be on the 18th tee, which is you're behind all the, the, all the tents and the bleachers and everything. And it sounds like, you know, when you drive by a lake of like birds and there's just that fervor, you can hear it. And then you walk on that court path, you walk behind the 17th green, you're watching everybody play 16 and then everybody hit on 16 and it just has that buzz. And I was telling Matt, said, Friday afternoons, in my opinion, players championship if the weather's good. I put up with any golf tournament anywhere in the world and it's a natural amphitheater. Obviously that golf course was built for this tournament they knock it out of the park all the time. I don't think you have to call it a major. I agree with you that it should be made like considered as how great of a player you have to be to win and usually the list of guys that win that. But without doubt, there's no course year after year that can Yeah. they can answer that. it's funny to hear that, cause I was going to ask you like, is there one golf course you miss caddying at? And clearly the players, is that the one did? Tim Tucker: No doubt. We finished, Bryson had won Bay Hill. we drive up the road. ⁓ in the lead. We played with Lee Westwood in the round at Arnold Palmer and then went there and played with him again in the final group. And Bryson topped his five wood into the water on four. Made double. And then we were still in it. God Bless Golf: Mm-hmm. Like a pure top? What wait a minute wasn't wasn't that one of the best doubles in the history of golf though where like I think if I recall wasn't the shot tracker was like he was in places I didn't even know existed on that Tim Tucker: Bro, there's a little beer stand like off the back right of four. Like you'd, unless you know, no one really walks back. We're like in the pine straw trying to hit this shot down to the low pin, like impossible, right? Like trying to keep it out of the water, but trying not to chunk it, chunks it and then hits it to six feet and makes it. It's like, okay. God Bless Golf: Yeah, yes. He's got chicken fingers there on Sunday. Hmm. That's right. That's right. I will have to pull up that shot track. ⁓ my God, that's so good. Tim Tucker: But that was like, that was a tournament, you know, there's tournaments like you're, I mean, we finished third, you know, I think I made like $65,000 for the week, you know, and I was really disappointed. mean, I was, I wanted to win that. if I fuck, mean, arguably that tournament to me, if we, and we blew a US Open, I was more disappointed on that than the US Open we blew at Torrey Pines. God Bless Golf: Yeah. Yeah. Tim Tucker: And dude, let me tell you what, Torrey Pines, Bryson, I don't know if people know this, we had a shot, had one, no, we were tied for the lead with 10 holes to play. And the reason we lost that tournament, because we made one bad decision. We always give Bryce, we break our putts down and he hits it. We like, he had like this 52 foot putt. It was up a 2%. It was like a, and then it went up a 10 % and then it went up like a 3 % to the hole. And we're like, okay, we need to hit this 82 feet. Well. God Bless Golf: So real quick, you're adding 20 feet to a 62 or 30 to a 52. Tim Tucker: I'm just throwing out number ball. I don't know exactly what it was but instead of breaking this putt into three pieces and giving him we just averaged the slopes out and he blew it by 10 feet and missed it and like then he slipped on the next hole made double. Dude for a guy that doesn't drink he hit his ball into a Michelob Ultra 12-pack box behind the green on 13. God Bless Golf: Right, right. But roughly, you're adding 30 or so feet because of the slope. Yeah, yeah. Remember that. Tim Tucker: This motherfucker was so bad. only because he's about to make a double, but his balls in it. He hates alcohol. His balls ⁓ the Nickelode Ultra cardboard fucking box. Living. God Bless Golf: you I'm beard. ⁓ So he's angry and he's like, why is this Michelob Ultra here? Too bad it didn't land in like a thing of like protein powder or something. That might have fired him up. Tim Tucker: Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. If he had like a little like, if he could hit it out of a fucking creatine little puff thing and just play it like a bunker shot, it probably made par. But that was a bummer. Like I'm telling you, one decision made us lose that tournament, you know, even though we'd made a hundred good ones to put us in position. But anyway, I was back to the players. I was really, I would have taken that. God Bless Golf: Right, subcreate team. ⁓ man, that is so good. Right. Tim Tucker: I'd rather have a players than two US opens. know that sounds good. Yeah, because Bryson had won all the good ones. Like he's won. God Bless Golf: There it is. Okay, okay, well, mean, I think, well, like how many more US Open's does he need to win? It's time to either win another major or add the players. Like I get it, like you don't need to do what Tiger did and just win seven of all of them just to make sure everybody knows. But hey, we're, great stuff, Timmy. And we were, I can't thank everybody that's listening and subscribing to this enough. And Tim Tucker is going to be a big part of this show. Tim Tucker: Yeah, yeah, exactly. God Bless Golf: Everybody's happy. And obviously you know how we both feel about him and not only are you an amazing caddy, but we've been good friends for a long time and we go way back. And so it's good that this would be a great opportunity for us to reconnect and really try to share everything. I mean, the show's called God Bless Golf because we all love the game. And obviously there's other avenues to go listen to whatever you want to hear hot takes or hate about this or that or. get real dialed information. Hey, there's places to go for that. What we're going to do is we're promoting this game and there's so many avenues of this game that we are just on the cusp of covering. And I think it's information like what Tim has been saying that, you know, not everybody has time to hit balls four days a week. And, you know, we'll get into golf instruction. We can do that for another show. But like, there's a lot of just basic stuff that every golfer can do that has nothing to do with practice. Because if you're a guy that can't break 80, and I can get you to break 80, does it matter what you're swinging like? Do you care what it looks like? Probably not. So this is just all gonna be part of it as we go. But before we go, rapid fire is a fun section of our show or segment of our show that we're doing. So Timmy, as a first timer on here, we are gonna throw you five quick questions and can't wait to hear your answers. Number one, of all the guys you've ever caddied for, who is the hardest golfer to read greens for? Tim Tucker: not very rapid fire, any amateur that I'm playing with. God Bless Golf: ⁓ Great answer. Tim Tucker: You know how I got it Bain in once on the seventh hole. I told him hit this ⁓ out and he missed it. He goes, didn't break. And I'm like, it took you seven shots to get here. And now you're an expert golfer. God Bless Golf: You Tim Tucker: Keep going. God Bless Golf: drop, Mike drop. We lost the pen. goodness. back? Standard operating procedure at least once or so we have some kind of technical difficulty here from our experience. Tim Tucker: That's all right, Spice. How you been, bud? God Bless Golf: you know, doing alright. Just having a good time watching him fumble with his microphone over here. Trying to play a little golf as pollen comes around. There he goes! ⁓ Tim Tucker: Are you loving that? ⁓ God Bless Golf: There we go, we're back, we're back, we're back baby. That was a good one. the craziest thing you've ever seen inside the ropes? Tim Tucker: craziest thing I've ever seen inside. can't answer that. Nothing, man. mean, I'm so focused on what Bryson's done. Zero time. Like he always says, you don't give a fuck about anybody out here but me. And I'm like, you're exactly right. I'm totally focused on 100 % of what you're doing. God Bless Golf: None. And that's the craziest thing I've ever heard on a golf course. Absolutely. Now is he telling you that or he's recognizing that? Okay, like just in case you weren't. Yeah, yeah, okay. You're never like Bryson, do you see that shot Tiger just hit? I'm just kidding. Tim Tucker: No, he says that. And I'm like, yeah, who do you want me focusing on? You. God Bless Golf: Right, yeah. most overrated thing in golf right now Tim Tucker: putting instruction. God Bless Golf: Um, tell me, we were talking about this yesterday and, and, and you're going to tell it better than I am. Um, tell me the story you're talking about. If you gave a, something about a golf ball, a putter and a jail cell, I want to hear this analogy cause this is fantastic. Tim Tucker: Yeah, I guess. Yeah, so you know, I say putting is the easiest, the easiest part of golf. Like think about how far a club travels in a 360 degree circle, right? And versus a putter, you know, putter, you know, it's like a normal putting starts about two feet from front to back, right? OK, most of them, unless it's a real long. But anyway, I'd ask Phil Kenyon, I'd said, hey, if I locked your wife in a prison cell and gave her a golf ball with a line on it, in a putter. Okay. And I said, the only way she can come out if she can roll the ball end over end, like roll it online. How long would it take her? And she said, well, my wife would be terrified to be in prison. It'd be the worst place she's ever been in. She'd figure it out really quick on her own. And I said, so then why do we need putting instructors? And he said, we don't. And now Phil Kenyon is arguably the best putting instructor on the planet. I love Phil Kenyon. very know, amazingly knowledgeable, more knowledge than anybody I've ever met with putting. And he can do all this bullshit that he wants. Like if you, if you, you know, if you want to be on plane and all this stuff, he can do it. But the thing that makes him, he feel a great instructor is that he knows how to read greens and he knows how to teach green reading. And I tell people, if you want to be a better putter, quit worrying about your putting stroke, worry about. learning how to roll the ball end over end and reading greens. God Bless Golf: Yes, absolutely. So true and we were talking about this and it was just it was info I'd taken from Timmy so it wasn't like my original thought but we were basically talking about the speed and line line. The speed of your putt is based on the line. you know the line reading the greens clearly is incredibly important and it just it blows me away sometimes when I hear these guys talk about leaving truck practice leaving the ball short. I ⁓ to this day I don't care what anybody says and that just makes no sense to me. I don't know how don't know what that means. I'm worried about your second putt, this, that, and the other, but that's a great answer. Okay, last but not least, before we let you go, I know you're not watching a ton of golf, but who is most likely, a player that you think is most likely to win a major this year, not named Scottie Shuffler? Tim Tucker: that hasn't won a major or just who's going to win a major. God Bless Golf: Just a guy you think is going to win a major this year, not Scotty. Okay. You think... Tim Tucker: Rory McIlroy. I think you might back up Augusta. It's exclamation point. God Bless Golf: I love it. Well, ⁓ that, yeah, in two weeks, we're going to do of our shows, Masters Week. We're going to talk a lot because obviously Timmy has a ton of great Masters stories we didn't even get into. The Jack Nicklaus one is an all time favorite that I tell. I don't say it happened to me. I say it happened to my buddy Tim, but it's a great story and we'll get into that. Well, I tell you what, Timmy, can't thank you enough. You thought I was good? Here you go. I like that. proud of you, proud of to have you a part of this God bless golf family and look forward to many more conversations. ⁓ and again, everybody out there, thank you for listening, watching, like, subscribe, all the things you're supposed to do on the podcast. really fun episode this week and you know, each week's going to be different. We never know what we're going to do, but obviously having someone like Tim, just leaves us a lot of, a lot of questions that I think a lot of golfers think about when they're out there playing. So. Hopefully you like this one and we got more to come. Timmy, we appreciate you coming on Spice. I'll let you lead us out of this show. Great to see you as well again and God bless golf. Guy Glasgow everybody, Timmy good to see you and we look forward to having you on and expanding our knowledge of debauchery and golf to each and every one of you fellow listeners out there. You know, do all the things you should do like subscribe, check our website out for all our toddler zone stickers and we'll see you guys next week. Thanks again, Timmy. Hey, one more thing before we close. need to full disclosure. I totally picked the Florida Gators to repeat. They are already out of the tournament. So nobody that's taking my advice. I know who's going to win it now. I'm to go with Duke and shout out to Richie Spice calling out that guy from Arkansas. I'd never heard of who basically won two games by himself. Boys, God bless golf. Have a great night. Tim Tucker: Thanks, boys. Thanks boys.