chip: j You're looking live. Good afternoon. God bless golf. Tim Tucker, Richie Spice, myself, Chip Brooke, aka The Panda joining you for a little mini pod. not an emergency rich: Little short one. chip: podcast, but just a mini pod talking about one of our favorite subjects in this wonderful sport, and that is putting. first off, boys, God bless golf. Good to see you both. rich: Yeah, indeed. Chipper, good to see ya. Timmy Tuck back in the homestead of Texas. Good to see you in some air conditioning. I'm sure it was Tim Tucker: Yeah, boys. Back in home. Been gone for two months, but ready to be back, man. Happy to be home. I played golf today. Ready to go. rich: Yeah. Well this is this is what chip: Yeah. rich: spawned this a little bit too 'cause member guest season's coming up. I got my first ever member guest coming. We you know, there were some more some words online today, but let's talk about it. Let's talk about putting. And Chipper, give us the origin story of why how this all came about and let's go from there. chip: Well, for for those loyal listeners of y'all and once again thank you for listening. you know that we've breached this subject numerous times, either with Tim or without, but a lot of based on the knowledge that Tim has given us. And You know, it it's there's all these guys that are talking about, you know, speed is more important than line, speed is more important than line. If you leave putt shorts, you're not gonna three putt. I've always found it asinine that you would actually try to promote a putt not going in. Clearly there's math based on who makes what, but again, all math is skewed based on how you're doing the math. And someone posted this morning has a Has a podcast. I don't know if it's called Let Us Play or I Like to Play Golf, whatever it may be. Guy's trying to do his own thing. So shout out to him for that. But posted this thing about Scott Fawcett talking about Paul's not getting to the hole and how speed is so much important, more important than line. And they they try to pick and choose how they argue. I hopped on board and said, Look, the line is just as important as speed. This guy said it's way less important. I threw some credentials out there and haven't heard from them since. I'm gonna say my two cents on this. I can't possibly think rich: We all are. chip: how it's good teaching someone to putt. And yeah, of course it's okay if it doesn't get to the hole, but if it doesn't get to the hole, it never has a chance to go in. And not and more importantly, I can teach somebody how to read a green. I can't teach someone speed. Those are drills you need to do on yourself. In a perfect example, I have two daughters, same mom, same dad. When they were six years old, if I threw one tennis ball, she ducked. The other one caught it with her bare hand. There are certain feel factors and touch factors that are just you can't teach. It's like someone had that throws a 96 mile an hour fastball. How do you teach him to throw 97? It's an asinine argument and tr really it's an easy way to pretend you know what you're talking about. So I'm gonna go to our resident putt green reader and And Timmy, I want your honest first thoughts. I don't know if you know Scott Fawcett or what you think of what he says, but give me the truth about line and speed. Tim Tucker: Yeah, I mean I've I've heard Scott say this. I don't know Scott. but like every time one of my players leaves the ball short, they're pissed. You know? They're like, that's a terrible putt. rich: Right. Yeah. Tim Tucker: So, but and my thought with this, and I think I responded to him, I saw this thing, and I thought it was ridiculous. But it's like, hey, if you can leave the ball six inches short, why don't you just try and hit it six inches past? rich: Right. Tim Tucker: Right? So it's like chip: Thank you. Tim Tucker: Is he saying what if what if I'm trying to leave it short and I'll leave it five feet short and then I miss that then do I leave that one six inches short too so I don't three put from that point? chip: Yeah. Tim Tucker: Like where do we go? rich: Avoidance, not putting to make. Yeah. And and and chip: Right. Tim Tucker: What if I'm six rich: and Tim Tucker: inches short? Should I tap it in or leave that one six inches short? Like I'm already like what do I doing? It's dumb. That makes no sense. chip: Well, and and I and I pose the rich: Is it a one? chip: question, and I'll pose this to any golfer and based on your handicap is how you should preface this answer. I'm using it as a scratch golfer or a plus handicapper. I would rather make six birdies and three putt twice than not three putt and make one birdie. rich: Yes. chip: The only math that matters in golf is what Tim Tucker: That's a good point, Chip. chip: your numbers end up as. You shoot sixty eight, you shoot sixty eight. You can't shoot sixty eight if you only make one birdie. And if you're if your goal is to sh to break 80, yes, maybe there needs to be some strategy, but that strategy should start with how you read greens. Again, speed is something that is on it can't be taught. I beg you, Scott Fawcett, to tell me how to speed get my speed better. You can say these drills will help you, but you can't teach me speed. Tim Tucker can teach anybody in the world to roll a ball end over end and read a green. There's a big difference in the two. And in my opinion, I think you have a lot of guys out here that really don't know what they're talking about. They take a few bits. And again, Scott Fawcett has done an amazing thing. Decade Golf has has done wonders. He has made course management into an actual thing and he sold it and he's run with it and he's great. But to be honest, his claim to fame is Will's Alatoris. Okay, right? Okay, so yeah. Right. rich: Yeah, worst putter I've ever ever seen. Yeah. Just I'm sorry, hey, I like you well. You're a great kid, but like I mean you kidding me right now with that thing? chip: Yeah, but like what I'm s well what I'm saying is is how do you teach speed other than saying do these drills versus a tangible lesson I could teach anybody how to read a green. Timmy, what's your thought? rich: And and up Tim Tucker: Well, I do think with with speed. go ahead, go ahead. rich: Let me hop in there real quick, Timmy, because I I'm I w I want to say something about about physic the physics of all this, because being short gives no chance to go in, number one. We know that. But at the same time, if you're gonna intercept if something is going to intercept a force or a a straight line, a beam of light, for example, that has they have to touch, right? And so in order for for that golf ball or that line to be intercepted, It's not like you're lining up two pencil heads here. Okay. We've got four and a quarter or four and an eighth or four and a quarter on a excuse me on a cup, and you've got a golf ball that's inch and an eighth or something, whatever it is. You can have a variant there that allows you to make putts, right? And so if you were that good enough to leave it six inches short and you're decent enough, have the ability to read the green a little bit back to front, you can pick your variant if you really want to be scientific about it. This is how I like to do it. I got it from the guy sitting over here to my left at Bandon Dunes for a this whole season, well, paying him a bunch of money on the golf course because I would lose. But that's how you learn to putt. You learn how to match up whatever line you're looking at with how do I run it into an object. And it and and it can be a little bit scientific, but I could never tell you how th hard to throw it. That would have that's chip: Hate. rich: a natural instinct. As a guy who shot better than any a lot of people from the downtown, from the three point line. And I'll still, you know, I'll shoot to this day. Chippers lost money on on the playground against me, you know, sh shooting free throws. But I can't teach you how to let the ball go. I can show you the form, I can tell you how to make it come off your fingers, but I can't teach you, hey, this is how you much pressure you need to put into it, right? And so I think from that standpoint, you you look at all all of this stuff of of how many times this is my other question, right? And you guys are both gonna probably shake your heads, yes, but I've been on the bag for the sixty for a sixty three on the corn ferry. I never I didn't we didn't have a chance at sixty three, leaving it six inches short. Nor does that the philosophy, right? Tim Tucker: Yeah. I was chip: Guide him. Tim Tucker: talking to John Graham. He's a you know, he's a putting instructor that's out on tour quite often. And I think I did ask him about this and he said I think that Scott said that to create a reaction and it and it has, right? 'Cause I've heard a lot chip: Clearly. Tim Tucker: about this. So I get maybe maybe he was just saying that to create something to get some buzz going, right? Which has worked. But, you know, I talk all the time about this. I don't hear very many people in putting instructors saying, hey, wait a second, before we even hit a putt, okay, pace it. You know, I had a guy at a tournament ask me once, he goes, Tim, why do you pace all your putts? And I I was playing really well and I was making a lot of putts that day. And I said, So I know how far to hit it. And he said, Well chip: Okay. Tim Tucker: you don't have to be an asshole. I was just asking for some help. I was like, No, that was the that's the answer. I wasn't being a smart aleck, right? I was saying like rich: I The first thing Yeah. That's the first thing I taught my high schoolers when chip: That's exactly why you do it. rich: you grow we you you don't in a high school tournament you get zero chance to warm up or get the greens. But how you we we would drop a ball and I call it foot to foot putting, right? How far does your blade when your blade goes back to the inside of your foot, to the other part of your foot, how far did that go today? And they would say, Okay, twenty one feet. Well, there you go. Work back from there. You know what mean? Like have a a exactly Tim Tucker: Yeah, we got a baseline, right? It's rich: a a hundred percent, a baseline to work from. chip: Yeah, but everybody has Yeah. Tim Tucker: Richie, it's like it's like this with basketball, right? I don't know anything about basketball. You know, I do have a funny story about basketball. My dad, I played in kindergarten or first grade, and my dad, the last game of the season, had his back against the cinder block wall sitting up top, came down, put his arm around me, said, Son, let's focus on another sport. And so I never played basketball again. And but so you know, when you were saying free throws, right? There is a line on the ground and you know what that free throw feel is, right? rich: Yep. Yep. Tim Tucker: You also know what it is from the three point line. And then as you get back, you start moving back from that, you probably lose a lot of your feel because you don't practice from, you know, ten feet behind it. rich: That's where for lack of a better term, that's where the that's where, you know, arc and speed come in. How much am I gonna Tim Tucker: Right. rich: hoist this and then how much higher am I gonna put it? Well, that's speed and line. chip: But I think I Tim Tucker: But if there were chip: Right. Tim Tucker: no lines out there, you wouldn't be as good of a free throw shooter if they moved it, if they moved it like a foot back or a foot up every other time, you'd be less accurate. Because you don't chip: Or if they tail to the rim. rich: Yeah, it's repetition. Yeah. I mean I think Tim Tucker: have a baseline. And so when I tell people about pacing rich: Yep. Yep. Tim Tucker: putts, it's like we get to 200 yards, okay? And from 200 to 200 yards, most people don't have an opportun even have a chance of getting it there yet they laser it because they want to know exactly how far they are. Well, rich: Mm-hmm. Tim Tucker: when accuracy there's a premium on the putting green where ten feet, I don't pace it? That seems crazy to me. So it's like, rich: Right. Mm-hmm. chip: Mm-hmm. Tim Tucker: why don't why aren't people teaching that? One thing, again, it go back to the free throw. How far is a free throw shot? Fifteen feet? I don't know that, I'm guessing, right? Fifteen rich: Fifteen. Mm-hmm. yeah. Yeah, yeah. Tim Tucker: feet? But you know that, right? And I'm telling you, like If your your spatial awareness on the court is probably really good. rich: Yeah. Correct. Tim Tucker: The more you play it is, it helps develop feel, but you have these baselines. What's the the three point arc? Is that thirty feet? rich: Yeah, I I don't know what it is. It used to be nineteen nine for us when I was playing. Yeah, that was a long time ago. It's moved a bunch. Something like that. Yeah, yeah. Tim Tucker: Anyway, yeah, you have a reference, right? Yeah, you kinda know where you are on the court. Well, and what I tell chip: It's probably twenty one for the I think it's twenty one for the NBA. Tim Tucker: people, you know, I was working with Justin Rose and I said, Hey, he was asking me about the G C quad and how it measures ball speed and what how it translates and I said, Well, you know, a five footer needs to be hit at three point five ball speed on an eleven stint green. And he goes, Well, I don't know how f Man, I don't know what 3.5 ball speed is, but I said, well, let's try and hit one in five feet. And he did, and it was 3.5 ball speed. So he rich: Yeah. Tim Tucker: doesn't didn't pace his putts at the time, but he knows what that is. So it's like when we educate ourselves and we say, hey, subconscious mind, it's this far. chip: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. rich: Yep. Tim Tucker: Or subconscious mind already knows, but I'd programmed the conscious mind to match it. Now they're not at odds, right? And I can putt freely. I would dare anybody, chip: Right. And and I've rich: Mm-hmm. Tim Tucker: I would challenge anyone to say, hey, if you pace your putts, it will not make you a worse putter. You know, being rich: No. Tim Tucker: at Bandon where we had, you know, you could have a hundred foot putt, you know, and chip: Yeah. Tim Tucker: a lot of times, you know, 35 or 30 feet was felt like 20 at a normal golf course, rich: Right. Tim Tucker: right? But you had wind and all that stuff. And so what I would do is I'd pace the putt and say, I'm forty feet, I'm a little uphill into the wind. rich: Yeah. Tim Tucker: Progr just say that to myself, so I'm programming my conscious mind to match the subconscious. It already knew that. And then I just put. chip: Yep. rich: Well but even even when you do that though chip: And I've always done that when I've chipped and I learned a long time ago, when I got a chipping lesson on how to w how to kind of do my variables one to one, two to one, three to one, four to one. For those don't know how that is, basically if it's four paces on the green and then sixteen paces to the pin, that would be a four to one. My four to one club is usually my pitching wedge. So I'm gonna carry my pitching wedge four yards and it's gonna roll the next sixteen or whatever, right? Whatever that math is. And so every time I chip, if there's a certain spot I'm trying to tip to chip to, I walk it off. And in my head, I don't know how to chip it 13 yards. But if my brain's telling me 13 yards, my subconscious knows it's 13, it's amazing how many times you chip it and it lands right where you want because you have that feel. Putting's the same way. Like for everybody, what a 15 footer in their your brain might feel. Might feel like 20 to 10, but if the ball goes 15 feet for both of us and we've accomplished that goal because we are in our inner field, which is something you can give tools to get better at, but you can't teach it. But what you can teach, pacing and reading greens and finding spots and then rich: And repetition. Yep. chip: bring your speed. And I think you're right, Timmy. Obviously, Scott loves to. Stir the potties become very famous. And that is a w and and you're totally right. I never really thought about it like that. And it does create a lot of talk about it. But it also the one thing that I guess kind of bothers me is you got guys piggybacking on Scott's research, and then they just say it's math, it's math, it's math, it's math. And I mean, I spare me with the 61% versus this or that, because if you had a 39% of dying, if you left the house, you wouldn't leave. So 61% over 39% in my brain isn't that big of a deal when you're talking about, you know, three putts, two putts. Not to mention you're comparing these stats to the best players in the world on the fastest screens that they play. Which again is an asinine way to rich: Yeah. Yeah. chip: just say the math, the math, the math. Now, when I hear people say the math, it's kind of like people say I'm a field player. You know what it means? They don't know what they're talking about. They just use somebody else's research and they say it for myself. Of course, speed matters. But to say it means more than line, it's just wrong. It's just wrong. And I I I just I Tim Tucker: No, and I'll give you a good example of that, Chip. Like I did this with Kurt. We were talking, I was with Como and we're talking about speed, right? And I s I told Kurt, I said, okay, it was a ten foot putt. And now this putt broke eight inches. Okay, hit it a foot by the hole speed. But I said, Kurt, even though it breaks, I want you to try and make it playing it straight. And so he hit it and he hit it fifteen feet by the hole. That's how hard he had, and it went right over the hole, okay? But it didn't go in. But he had to hit it that hard for it to stay straight that long. And then I said, okay, now play four feet of brake on this 10-footer. Even though it only breaks eight inches, play three feet or four feet. And he hit it and he hit it halfway. And I said, why'd you hit it halfway? And he goes, because I was trying to make it break as much as I could because I knew that was too much brake. And I said, okay. So basically what we've learned here is that. The read where I'm aiming predicts speed. So in the fact that where he aimed straight at the hole, he had to hit it she hit it super hard. I didn't tell him to hit it hard. He just intuitively did it. Then rich: Mm-hmm. Yep. Tim Tucker: I gave him too much break and hit it soft. So if that's the case, what predicts what if you have the if you have a the correct read or or in the ballpark, your speed is gonna be better all the time. So really read is more important than speed because read dictates how hard you're gonna hit it. Now chip: Yes. Tim Tucker: secondly chip about your talking about feel is I talk to people about green reading and they're like, I'm a feel player. Well I'm like, well no shit, dumbass. Everybody is. Okay? You know, my wife that never plays rich: It's a fewer game. Tim Tucker: golf, her feel is not as good as mine. My feel chip: Yes. Tim Tucker: is not as good as Bryson's. Okay? rich: Right. Tim Tucker: But she has some feel. Okay? You chip: Mm-hmm. Tim Tucker: know, it's like balance. My balance is not as good as the Willinda's or whoever the fuck used to walk on the high wire. Right? Their chip: Right. Tim Tucker: balance is amazing. I mean, I don't fall over walking, you know, s walking down the street. They don't fall chip: Yeah. Tim Tucker: walking on a one inch, you know, thing. So they're we chip: Right. Right. Tim Tucker: both have balance, but their balance is better, right? So to say, look, information chip: Correct. rich: And it and the other thing you guess Tim Tucker: enhances feel. The more you rich: Yeah. Yeah. Tim Tucker: hit wedge shots, the better your feel gets. The less you hit wedge shots, the worse your feel gets. So again, free throw shooting. rich: I I think your feel gets better though as you talk to yourself too, like you guys are saying. You're not giving yourself chip: And and rich: enough credit for this. So like you you have to verbalize. Like from a psychological standpoint, of all the guys I've worked with, of all the athletes I've been around, there's not one person who doesn't verbalize what they're going to do. I'm gonna hit a ten foot brut that breaks that break I'm hit a ten foot putt that breaks eight chip: Yeah. rich: inches. Automatically your subconscious and your adrenaline and everything goes and flows how it should be going as an athlete. And that puts you in a better place to feel what's going on. I mean, that those are all scientific facts. You have a plan, you have a plan to execute, and then you try to execute. And when you do those things, those are all gonna create sw some sort of better feel for the environment versus saying, huh, that looks left or right. Let me feel this in there. Right. And so that that's a that's a hundred percent true. chip: Well that's a great point too and I'll give you all even a better or no, I shouldn't say a better example. Another example with my six and a half year old son Ace. We go out to the putting green. There's a ball. He sees the hole. He whacks it five feet by. I take my visor off, I throw it on the ground ten feet away. I say, Ace, put it to my visor, the ball rolls onto my visor, rolls onto my visor. Nothing races by because the hole's not there, the result isn't there. He's just looking at a spot and hitting it. So the feel part is you're totally right, Timmy. We all have feel. How do you get better feel? How does you know a guy, Manny Machado, is running up the third baseline, bare hands a baseball, he has no idea exactly how many feet he is from first base, looks at the And granted, it's more reactive than golf, but the idea is that guy, whether he's 40 feet from first base or 112, rich: Yeah. chip: knows how to put it right in that mit. Dan or Patrick Mahomes or pick the rich: And that's the s that's the same theory. Yep. chip: quarterback of today, Jaden Daniels, when he's throwing a deep bomb to one of those beautiful receivers in Washington, he's looking at a spot where he wants the ball to go. Does he know in his head that's 61.7 yards in the year? No, but he kind rich: Hmm. chip: of knows. And he knows where to release it, he knows where to land, just like that guy knows how to perfectly run. It's like asking a you Usain Bolt, how do I run faster? How do you run so fast? He'd be like, I don't I mean, I don't know. Like that would be versus can you teach, can you teach me how to start? Can you teach me your start? rich: Yeah, I I I got I got the opposite end on you on that. I I got the opposite end on that. We don't we don't throw as quarterbacks you don't throw to a spot when you're throwing balls. You throw through the same physics we're talking about. We're talking about putting something through a window. Yeah, that there And and that's chip: All right, well you know no, but my p my the the point is I can throw Tim Tucker: Yeah, but Richie, I will say this about what Chip's saying. Here's the key. The chip: I can hit Tim Tucker: athlete chip: this tree with a football in my hand right now and I've no idea how far it is. rich: right, but you're gonna throw through the same physics you're talking about. You have a point that you're trying to get to intercept. Well Tim Tucker: Right, and the reason why Chip is you're in your subconscious, you're not in your conscious mind. Hold up. chip: Yeah, I get I'm not talking about like dra Tim Tucker: Listen to me. chip: I'm qu go ahead. Tim Tucker: What I'm saying, those guys are able to do that, the baseball player, the football player, because they're in their they're using their subconscious mind. That's what's doing it. With rich: Yes. Yeah. Tim Tucker: in golf, we're unfortunately we're not reacting all the time. So we're in our conscious mind, not our subconscious. Hence the problem. If you had if you had three seconds to hit a putt, chip: Fighting our subconscious. rich: Yeah. We're taught it's taught it's we're taught it's to trick us, not help us. chip: We're watching a movie of misery in our brain. Tim Tucker: you would putt way better than you know, three seconds chip: Say that say that again. Tim Tucker: to hit a putt versus a minute, you'd putt better. chip: Mm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Well what Tim Tucker: 'Cause you'd be reacting instead of doing all the bullshit we see on T V. rich: Well let's let me ask you this question. What do you what's your theory if you and I and I have a my own theory on it, right? I I believe in reaction, especially as a shooter, you know, basketball shooter, you know, putting stroke or practice strokes over the ball or not? Like, I mean, does do you think and all the guys you've worked with, and I know there's not a right answer here, but both of you guys throw it up to you. Chipper's certainly gone. I've watched you do it, y yes and no. But do you think better putters don't have putting strokes? I mean, I know Jack and Tiger had putting strokes and they were the what theoretically the best of all time, but chip: I mean Tiger's best putter I've seen. rich: Yeah, two two strokes and go after it. Tim Tucker: Well what I would tell you about that, Chip, when you're taking a practice stroke, okay? Let's say you have a six-inch putt, because you left it six inches short, right? How long chip: Yes. Tim Tucker: would that practice stroke, how long would that practice stroke be versus a 20-footer? Your 20-footer would be a longer stroke. What selects that distance of stroke? Your subconscious. Yeah, that's your subconscious working, right? So chip: what what my eyes yeah what my eyes see. I'm trying to f yeah, yeah. Yeah. Hundred percent. No. rich: Conscious. Yeah. Yeah. chip: Yeah, we're all on we I think we're all on the that's that's kind of where where we're talking about this is the feel is individual. Is individualized based on that person and their subconscious and what because you as you're right in golf, weird fighting a subconscious movie of misery to f To focus on hitting a good shot, right? We got all this stuff that might be trying to tell us. And so we're trying to get that together with our conscious so we can play our best. The difference between any other sports, it's reactionary. So you don't have time for something, a bad memory to happen. It's not like a ground ball is coming to you shortstop and all of a your mind's playing like, don't throw it in the middle of the stands, like as if you're on 18 at TPC and your last thought is don't hook it in the water, right? So that's a Tim Tucker: Right. chip: huge difference between sports. between reactive sports and golf, but it the the point of or the feel part of it is you're a hundred percent accurate and you're a hundred percent right when you say that that feel is so important. So when you do read it correctly, those two coexist. because again, I don't know how you teach feel. I don't any I've yet rich: Well that's the only way it can happen because if what Yeah. chip: to see a golf instructor or you know say hey this is Tim Tucker: Repetition. chip: the right that's it. And that's so you're teaching yourself. rich: Yeah, I was gonna say it's a thousand reps. That's it. Correct. No, everybody does. Whether you're six years chip: You're teaching yourself. You are teaching yourself. Tim Tucker: Well you are teaching stuff. rich: old like Ace or whether you're fifty five or whatever chip: Right. rich: age you are, more reps is gonna create more feel. And that is the only way. I mean, I got my kid over here tying her shoe chip: But pace pa yeah, pace and feel can't be taught. rich: literally right now, fifty times. And and if I brought her in here, she'd still yell at me about it. But chip: Yeah. rich: it's because we're not very good at it in the morning. But today she was better at it because we tried. Yes, y she's nine. It's time. chip: Don't make that baby girl tie her own shoes, Richie. Tim Tucker: Here's what's really interesting with Ben. rich: So, you know, but we're getting better every day 'cause of repetition. I mean, you know how it is, you know, the kids these days. chip: Huh. I do. Tim Tucker: Ben has been Ben, you know, when he came out of college, chip: Go ahead, talk talk to me about Ben a little bit. Tim Tucker: he was coming out of college, right? He's played all college tournaments. And there's you know, a a club hosting a college tournament is not willing to put their greens on the line for the event like the tour is. chip: Right. Right. Tim Tucker: The tour will dry out and bake out and they'll be like Arnold Palmer, Bahill, they're brown. They're dying, right? rich: Right write a check. Yeah. chip: Yeah, yeah. Tim Tucker: Well, Ben's never played on the this speed of green, okay? And most chip: Just consistently insane. Tim Tucker: amateurs haven't. Like Chip, you play rich: Mm-hmm. Tim Tucker: a lot of great golf courses. You go to the you know US four ball. They're fucking faster than you play on normally. Right? chip: By four feet. Yeah. rich: yeah. Tim Tucker: Correct. So what h yeah, so what was happening with Ben is he came out on tour, he was under reading all of his putts. Why is that? Because the greens are slower. But he's still rich: Hm. Yeah. Yep. Tim Tucker: seeing the same amount. Now so we went to Dominican and he lights it up because the greens are slow there. chip: Yeah. rich: Right. chip: Yeah. rich: A little more what he's used to. Tim Tucker: And he come went to Sedgefield and he's like, fuck, these things are lightning. And he struggled a little rich: How quick were those things, bro? Tim Tucker: bit, but he he he ended up, he's he's making his reads bigger and bigger and bigger. And he started to over-read. But I mean he started over-reading chip: I mean Yeah, he shot sixty two and sixty one bookend, by the way. I know. rich: Yeah. Yeah. Tim Tucker: putts because of this, they're so much faster. Well, chip: Yes. Tim Tucker: he now, I mean, his putting has gotten a lot better, his green reading's gotten a lot better because he knows he's he's adjusting. to the speed chip: Mm-hmm. Tim Tucker: of the greens and going, Wait, I need more break and now he's overeating, which is great. And he'll he'll get it in. He's just developing his feel that way, right? chip: Yeah. Yeah. rich: Yep. Well that's one of the Tim Tucker: So it's really interesting to see that. rich: that's one of the things chip: So rich: I when I was out there I felt like I noticed the guys they didn't do an and and if you're trying to be great at putting and and let me let me say this by the way. I've watched the guy in the visor below me here make a lot of putts in the clutch and I've learned everything I've known from putting from from Timmy over there. So and we've all it's all it all stems from, you know, the the early to mid two thousands there. A and we've been doing this a long time the same way. And and I think when when you're talking about putting You know, if if you've never touched a 24 putt round or 25 putt round or been a part of it, it's really hard to understand how good you can be in the moment, right? And so you you're you're we're sitting here talking like three people who make a lot of putts. Now your average amateur who's not making a lot of putts, you know, you're managing your putting. Maybe you listen to leave it six inches short, but I'll tell you this, as Chipper said, when you go and play around to golf or you're going to have your have fun at your member guests, go try to beat somebody. Well, you're not gonna go lay it up to beat somebody, right? So get out there chip: Well, I think rich: and make some putts. chip: I I think and and we'll we'll wrap this up. This is this is our mini pod and we appreciate everybody that's listening. We're looking forward to posting out some edits and some clips. But you know, you're you're you're so right about that and and again it kind of goes into the you have to be willing to be so committed to that line and the pace you're gonna use and be okay with it being incorrect. And if you happen to blow one three feet by and miss that coming back, you tell you gotta tell yourself, okay, I'm gonna make the next one. And not to mention, if a putt goes eight inches past, how is that any different from eight inches short? But anyway, we could go back and forth about this all day and all night. but again, we hey Timmy, thank you for being able to join us. Cause again, yes, I've played a lot of golf, I've seen a lot of things, I've known I know a couple guys that are really good at putting, but when it comes to that kind of knowledge. And what Tim said, and this is something that all of you that are listening can can take a take a tip. He's talking about overreading putts. And I think the one thing that early overreading does is it gives you a truer sense of of you're hitting good putts committed, committed. Because if you're missing them low consistently, it's you know it's it that can really play with your brain, right? If you're hitting good putts in there on that high side over and over, I just read it an inch too much, an inch too much. It's easier to go that way than if you're under reading, go the other way. Tim, would you agree with that? Like if you're a little bit of an overreader. Tim Tucker: Yeah, well right. Well what was happening to Ben too is that because he was under reading, he was hammering his putts and le running five feet by. Now chip: Ha ha ha. Tim Tucker: he's over reading a little bit rich: Yeah. Tim Tucker: and they're dying just past the hole and he's got a little tap in. So with that chip: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. rich: Yeah. Stress free. Tim Tucker: again, he's adjusted. He's making these small adjustments because is he's developing his feel now that he's on different surfaces. So and again, chip: Yeah, and it if Tim Tucker: it's just repetition, right? Like you said, it's hard to teach all this, but You know, you gotta go the person has to at some point take the responsibility of going out and going, Okay, I'm gonna hit I'm gonna pace my putts and I'm gonna chip: Right. Tim Tucker: learn over time what a ten footer is and a twenty-footer and a thirty-footer. chip: Right. Right. Because you can practice rich: Here's here's here's a quick challenge to our f go ahead, Shipper. chip: you you can practice this. It's a great a great little tip. You take two s you take two pieces of duct tape and you tape them side by side and you make it about a foot long, go out on a putting green and lay that strip down fifteen feet away. And just putt to that strip and then Kind of measure how far you are, how short you are, put all by ten balls, walk down fifteen feet away, put that strip down. You do that two or three times. I promise you, your ball will roll on be rolling and finishing on that strip of tape. It only takes a few rounds, let's say 30 putts. So you do that three times. That's a great way to develop speed control based on where you're playing that particular day. If you're a guy that jumps around and plays courses and one day they're eights, one day they're elevens, like You're yeah, it's gonna be hard to develop that speed daily, but if you feel like you have a good plan reading the greens, I think that gives you a heads heads start or listen a bit of an advantage better than saying somebody's like, my pace is fantastic today. rich: I got a great Timmy Tuck story, and Tim Tucker: Yeah, yeah. rich: then I'm gonna bow out here. We were sitting on crossings one day. It had to be the first couple of months we met. Timmy gets off a loop, gets on the putting green, hits one ten footer, goes in, and goes, Let's go, boys, I'm ready. He looks at me straight in the face and he goes, Acclamation. And it's I remember that word every time I get on the putting green. And he goes, I'm ready, boys. Acclamation, you know. chip: God, what I would do Tim Tucker: Well chip: for a six ball at the crossings this afternoon. Tim Tucker: You know what's rich: You know. Tim Tucker: funny about that though? And you know, guys, you've put we've all played so much golf. You can walk on a putting green and you go, you already know how fast they are. Just by the rich: Yeah. yeah. chip: Yep. Tim Tucker: way they look and how they feel under the foot, right? Where an average golfer just walks out and they think that this is a muni and they just rifle one across the green and it's like they're like, fuck, this was fast. Right? Where I could go to Augusta and hit a putt and I could be reasonably close to the speed. You know, so again, that's just experience. chip: so true. So true. Tim Tucker: Experience is rich: Yeah. Tim Tucker: feel. Right? So here we go. chip: Love it. rich: Hey if you've never played two hundred rounds of golf in your life, I feel bad for or in in a year I feel bad for chip: Yeah, hey, rich: you. chip: great stuff to everybody listening. We appreciate it. Hope you enjoyed this mini pod. We're gonna do more of these in between our other shows. stay tuned for what's coming next. Timmy Tuck, Richie Spice, God Bless Golf, episode twenty and a half, the pudding chronicles. See ya boys. rich: See you boys. God bless golf.