Andy: Hello everyone, I'm Andy Mark: I'm Mark. Andy: and this is speaking shite. Mark: is it? Andy: Yes. Mark: I thought this w no. Andy: no, you haven't fucking looked for anything have you? You've got nothing to talk about. Mark: We're gonna have to test my memory on news stories. Andy: Now don't worry I've got loads but first I want to do this. Just to see. No, no warnings. Apparently, one of the stories at the moment in the paper is one of the six ways that your car will be spying on you for insurance and legal purposes. Because you know, since 2024, All new cars are now fitted with all sorts of fucking bells and whistles, tracking systems, driver assist, cameras and all sorts. Mark: Yeah. Andy: Well, it won't be long before courts are testing whether the data collected in that car can be used against you in cases of speeding, driving without due care and attention, etc. Mark: I wonder what extent the data logging they can't possibly be monitoring your speed. Andy: Do want to bet? Listen, they're monitoring how often you look away from the road. There's a camera in your rear view mirror which tracks the lines on the road behind you to see how close you are in the middle of the lane. Advanced driver distraction warning systems use internal cameras to track your eyes and head and if you look out the window or at your passenger or read a text they can order you to focus your attention. Mark: Yes, but you're y you're phrasing it as if every car produced after twenty twenty four has that feature. That's absolute nonsense. Andy: Yeah. Is it? Mark: A selection of cars certainly do. Andy: No. Since. Cameras, sensors and radars have been mandatory in new vehicles since 2024 across the EU. Mark: Yeah, but that's that's not the same thing as what you're describing. I mean I'm not disagreeing that it's ridiculous. Andy: Okay, okay, so maybe not every, but listen, this is a step in the wrong direction. Mark: no, I agree with that. Absolutely. Well as I say, I told you years ago that I would never buy a car after 2024 production year. As I said to you, that is the 2023 is the last year of production I would buy simply because all of the mandatory safety systems Andy: are there to spy on you. Mark: Well, I'm not bothered about people spying, I couldn't give a shit. Andy: No you should be because they're going to use your own car against you. You are paying for your own demise. Mark: w yeah, and the t you're absolutely right, it would apply to me in terms of speeding. but the thing that I don't like is you're you're effectively removing skill levels, you're eliminating requirements for people to know how fast they're going. There's some bleep Andy: Well, I mean, yeah, because... Mark: bleep bleep bleep bleep you get this bloody warning if you go two kilometers over the speed limit. Well Andy: Yeah, they call it intelligent speed assist and there's nothing intelligent about it. Mark: Well no I mean I I I completely disagree with that, but for all sorts of reasons. N nothing to do with spying 'cause it sounds a bit big brotherish. Although you're right, it could be. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Andy: But it is Big Brother and you mustn't pretend that Big Brother isn't happening because Big Brother is happening. Mark: No no no and no I I I agree, but the thing is that if you look at that level of interference in one's life and you object completely that it is Big Brother, then surely you should apply the same level of caution on every other aspect of your life, like we're on the internet. Andy: Yes, but you know, you can't hide from Big Brother. That's the whole, that's why it's called Big Brother. But what you can do is try and restrict Big Brother's fucking reign over you. It's like with the CCTV cameras, you know, if you live in a city now, you are on camera all the time, except perhaps if you're a fucking criminal, because apparently they're very shit at catching people on CCTV, unless you've been speeding. Then they've got you. Mark: no, but you're right, but but I I assume that the biggest motivator of all of this spying is purely data farming for marketing purposes. Andy: It's certainly not to prevent crime Mark: benefit mankind. Andy: or benefit the people who live in the city. Yeah, unfortunately, we're just being data farmed as usual. Mark: But but the thing is that As I say, I would have to stop using the internet. Luckily I don't post on social media, though I do follow social media. You know, I watch YouTube things and things like that. But it's pretty dramatic what you actually need to do to remove yourself from all of this monitoring. I mean you would know better than I would. Andy: You can't. You can't. You can try. And you can apply to the various governing bodies to have this taken down and that taken down. But you can't remove shit from the internet. Once it's out there, it's out there. It's the end. Mark: But I've always worked on the basis that, as I have done with individuals, I would never say something about a person that I wasn't willing to say to their face. And the same applies for No, I know. But but I I sort of, you know, I'm yeah, Andy: I'm quite happy to slander anybody that I've fucking slandered in this program. Mark: I wouldn't say I'm squeaky clean in terms of internet activity, but I'm pretty close to it. Andy: I thought you meant, I thought you meant legally, I was going to say. Have you been shoplifting at Woolworths? Mark: No, no. But you know, honestly, I wouldn't be too bothered if if i if everybody or anybody knew exactly every website. I mean, it's so tragically boring. Andy: Unfortunately, that is the wrong attitude to take because that is not the way you should be looking at it. But people who say, I've got nothing to hide, therefore I don't care, who knows what I'm doing on the internet, you're missing the whole point. Nobody should be having any interest in what you do on the internet unless you actually commit crimes against children or... that sort of thing. To collect data on everybody, regardless Mark: No, but no n no. Andy: of what they're up to on the internet, is fucking wrong. Mark: No, no, that well that that is where I d would disagree with you and you're happy to come back. You voluntarily use the services of the internet. Now admittedly you pay for that privilege, but part of the agreement with you using No Andy: The end. The end. Look, I buy a chicken at the supermarket, you don't fucking tell me how to cook it when I'm walking out the door. That chicken Mark: What's that gotta do with anything? Andy: now belongs to me. If I want to shag that chicken before I put it in the oven, that is my own prerogative. Mark: No, well that's there's no logic to that argument. So if you went into a pet shop but Andy: It is. If I pay for something, it's now mine to do what I like with. Yes, Mark: No it's not. Andy: it is. Mark: So if you walk into a pet shop, buy a cat, you can go home and eat it? Andy: People have done that. People have done worse. Mark: I'm not yeah, but I th I'm sure they have, but that's not a defence for it, Andy. Andy: It's not right, but you know what? It's not illegal. Mark: Killing it, I think Isn't it? What? Andy: No, you can't murder an animal. Mark: That's what I mean. But to eat it you've got to bloody murder the thing, you're not gonna eat it while it's still meowing. Andy: Why would you get... You can't be abreast of eating a dog or a cat. In a lot of countries, it's fucking staple. Mark: Alright, what? Andy: Yes, eating dogs is quite regular in Vietnam for instance, Cambodia. It doesn't matter where we Mark: I know that. I'm talking about where we live in Sweden. You can't eat Andy: live because you could do what you want in anyone else's country unless you happen to be English, whereupon you get arrested immediately. Mark: Anyway, all I'm saying is you voluntarily use the internet. Andy: Look, it's pointless going into the little minuté. The point, it is. Mark: But it's not minute, I'm just saying that is what you choose to do. Andy: It is. I just believe that there should be fucking absolutely no monitoring of what you do on the internet. Unless, what should be monitored are the sites that put out the shit that you shouldn't be looking at. Not the people who are going out looking on the internet. It's the wrong way to do it. Mark: yeah, well actually that that subtle difference I might actually agree with. That the government should focus on porn sites or child abuse Andy: Yes. Mark: sites or all that sort of thing sites rather than well no, but the people accessing them. I mean that's that's equally as bad, isn't it? Andy: But that is going to show up on the site's registry, on their logs. Then you can target those people. You don't have to target the whole population to find one person. That is just fucking wrong. Mark: No, well you're you know, you're you're you're you're pr you're probably right. Andy: I'm always right and you know it. Mark: Talking up here's a good story, since we're supposed to be monitoring the news. And again, I I just I thought it was AI generated, but I think it was actually true. You know the Cash Patel fellow, the FBI man, he was being interviewed Andy: the one with the, the one whose wife sings the National Anthem sometimes, his girlfriend. Mark: no, his girlfriend who gets to try fly on a brand new jet stream golf private jet wherever she wants to. Anyway, he's being interviewed in front of one of these Senate committees, and one of the questions is Mr. Patel, I notice that you have broadened your scope in terms of what you're allowed to have committed and still be allowed to join the FBI. And one of them, yes, Andy: what crime was you mean? Mark: crime-wise. So you know you could imagine that if you did credit card ford or something, that's been taken away from the list of things you can't have done. But but one of the things they've removed, you could you're going to love Andy: attempted murder. Mark: this is bestiality. If you've had sex with a Andy: Well, you know why? Mark: if you've had sex with an animal, that's okay. You can still be an FBI officer. Andy: You know why? That's because Cash Patel has had a letter from someone saying, have a video of you. Mark: Yes. I thought that was so and he was sort of thinking why did you remove bestiality from the list of things that dismisses your application? First place. I know. Andy: Why was that specifically on there in the first place? For fuck's sake, is there like a 1000 page list of itemized stuff you must not have done? What about picking your nose and wiping the bogey under your teacher's desk? Mark: Under your desk, exactly. No, so that was mildly amusing and rel well well v worrying in relation to animals. But you know, these people have still got their jobs. Todd Blanche Andy: Both. Mark: still in still in Head Sketh Hexeth still in power, Cash Patel still in power. Andy: Yeah, we'll see what happens. Luckily, mean, whatever happens in November, I'm hoping the American people have had enough. So if any shenanigans take place, hopefully they will stand up and say, this we will not stand for. Mark: Do you think that that will be the tipping point where if it becomes patently obvious that the elections have literally been stolen by Donald Trump, that people will actually take to the streets in possibly more than just peaceful demonstration? Andy: Well yeah, this time they'll go gun to gun against ice, hopefully, and shoot some of those motherfuckers. A taste of their own medicine. Mark: I mean obviously I hope it doesn't come to that. But it seems that they're getting more and more more and more desperate for success story stories because it's quite incredible how quickly when you have incompetence in power, and it happened exactly with Boris Johnson, exactly the same thing, when all of the profe I don't start ranting, but when all of these sort Andy: If you say experts, I'm gonna, I can't help it. Mark: No, I'm not. But when I when you look at all of the persons of integrity, they all left because of Boris Johnson and you were left with a bunch of incompetence. Sucky up incompetence. Andy: Well Trump went one better, he sacked everyone who had integrity and he bought in a load of fucking bum liquors. Mark: Yes, i exactly. And it took how long did it take for that to collapse? It was about a year and a half, something like that. Andy: Not long. Mark: So here you have exactly the same situation where all of the regular people and then you know, may you may not rate them, but sort of regular, honest again you may not agree, sort of politicians who are just doing their job, they're all out And you all have Fox News presenters taking over senior positions like the Minister of Defence or whatever they're called. It's taken eighteen months to discover that literally everything they've touched has turned to shit. And Andy: you Mark: it literally has. The idiot who recommended Trump to introduce all this tariff nonsense turns to shit. Andy: they still don't understand how tariffs work. Mark: No, they they say if you speak to a Trump supporter, it's the Chinese who pay, I mean i i Andy: Yeah, Mark: you know Andy: and we're paying for the Chinese healthcare. Mark: Exactly. I mean it's just so you've got basic stuff like you've got Bissent, the Treasury Secretary. Inflation running rampant. They increased yield, I don't know, they increased the interest rate a quarter of a percent, first time in three years or something, the Fed. In spite of Trump having installed his man. So the situation is so serious in America that the very man that Trump put into the Fed To cut interest rates has accepted this situation is so bad, I'm gonna have to actually raise interest rates, not keep them where they are. And the national debt is increased by so that's turned to shit. And then you've got the foreign policy. Iran. What a ludicrous situation that they invented. Andy: and that now, pointedly ignoring and pretending it doesn't exist. Mark: No exact well in fact not only ignoring saying it Hexith came out and said, Look, the Straits of Amuse is a European problem, they need the oil. It's their problem, they should sort it out. These people've started the frigging war and they're now saying it's the Europeans who need to find a solution. Andy: Yeah, what we need to do is sort America. Mark: So they're so desperate for a win, these idiots. Did you see what they released yesterday? Andy: I didn't actually know. Mark: So the big win is that they have secured Greenland as an American asset. Andy: I did read that basically they're saying the 1946 or the 1951 Mark: nineteen fifty one agreement. Andy: agreement is all down to Trump now. He's managed to clinch an agreement back in time with Greenland and US is now... Mark: Yes, exactly. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep. It's it's been in place for fifty six years or fifty five years, but Trump succeeded in doing it. There's Andy: Yeah. Mark: literally no difference. The th the the Danes Andy: There is no agreement. Mark: the Danes have always said you can have as many bases as you like, you can mine the stuff, you can do whatever you like there. It's but it's Greenland, it's part of Denmark. Andy: Yeah, but you know what? But there will be Americans saying, yes Trump, you are the man. Mark: I know this is what I mean. Let's Andy: It's unbelievable. Mark: you know, how can we find a win? We've got to find a win before the midterms. I know Greenland. Yeah. Andy: What we need to do as well, now you told me, this was fake news, you told me that Lewis Hamilton and Kim Kardashian had broke up. No, Mark: No, they haven't apparently, no. Andy: I know because I saw some staged photos of them cycling around London on electric bicycles, line bikes. Mark: No, they wouldn't do that. Andy: It was obviously staged for publicity purposes. Mark: There's no way that Kim Kardashian would get on a bicycle and cycle round London. Yeah, but I had photos of them splitting up. Andy: Look, I've got photos. They're not, listen, it happened, okay? It happened. There's Kim Mark: Well Andy: Kardashian and fucking Lewis Hamilton cycling on these Lyme bikes with one security behind, a long way behind, like four meters. And luckily a son photographer was in the area. So managed to get a snap of their low key day out in London. You know damn well that they got on the bikes, rode 10 meters and then got back in their convoy because Mark: Yeah, I'll tell you what. Andy: she goes nowhere without 50 fucking followers. Mark: I was gonna say, I was gonna say, why would you? Why would anybody get on a bicycle for a nice cycle ride in the middle of London? Andy: They're trying to pretend that they're a normal, everyday, relatable couple. That he's being sucked into her fucking lifestyle Mark: World. Andy: and world. That, you know, what we present ourselves as on social media is what we are. Mark: I hope to God not. I've been follow I've told I've bored you with this story so many times. I've been following Lewis Hamilton since he was twelve years old. And and I don't mean I don't Andy: You are fucking, you should be arrested. I'm gonna give your address out on this program so that you can be doxed. Mark: Yes, when I said Andy: Keep rolling. Mark: following, what's the expression where you're not literally following them? No, I Andy: Stalking! Mark: wasn't. because I saw him on Blue Peter when when the kids No no what you what are you talking of with my children, you idiot Andy: sweet lord it gets worse. What are you doing watching Blue Petra at your age? Hmm, with my children. Mark: He was a sweet little twelve year old. He appeared with his dad. Andy: stop talking Mark, stop talking this is just getting worse. Mark: is it all right. Anyway, I hope to God he hasn't lost lost the plot. Well he has. Andy: Well of course yes. Mark: I mean, you know it's I say I was just about to say it's unfair to make judgments on Kim Kardashian we don't know her Andy: No, it's not. Mark: but but she's such a public persona, I think it is fair actually to make judgments. Andy: It's not unfair to make any kind of judgement on her whatsoever. I told you how she became famous. Mark: remind me that was a blowjob or was that Paris Hilton? Andy: It was a whole movie, but the blow job was a big part of it. Mark: Movie? What do you mean a home movie? Andy: Yeah. Yes. Mark: Why did she post that? Andy: Her mum posted it for her. Mark: Why would her mum post a video of her daughter having sex? Andy: for exactly the reasons that made her famous. It was part of the plan. It was to bring the spotlight onto the family and make the media stars. And it worked. Mark: No. No, you would get arrested for doing that, Andy. Andy: No, only if someone complains. Mark: What? Andy: Only if she made a complaint against her mum. Mark: I can only guess that this is speculation it was her mum that did it. Andy: Her mum leaked the video. It's very well known, very well documented. Look, instead of arguing with me about it, you should take some time to research this in your own time. Mark: No but the thing is that w w all right, so if you had ever made a video of you having sex with someone Andy: which I may have. Mark: w would you have given it to your mum? Well Andy: I've given it to my mates. Mark: that is that's not good either, Andy. That's arrestable. Andy: Okay I didn't actually give it to my mates but I certainly showed them. But you know, wasn't. There was no... I mean, she was gagged and masked and had a knife to her throat. No, I mean... Mark: dear. Anyway, so no I didn't see that, but I did see that they were filmed on a s it was described as a small luxury yacht a couple of days ago. Andy: Peace. Mark: Kim Kardashian and Lewis Hamilton. After the Spanish Grand Prix. Andy: But who filmed them? Who filmed them and then leaked that video? They did it themselves. Mark: No, I don't think it a I don't think it was supposedly a subterfuge thing. It wasn't a paparazzi thing. It was just a video of them on a l l a yacht together. To sh Andy: Yeah but for what purpose? Why? Why do you think people are interested that you're on a fucking yacht, you flash cunts? Mark: No, no, no. I I'm not I'm not defending them, I'm just saying that yeah, you yeah. Yeah. Andy: That's what I mean, he's being sucked into that lifestyle and it's going to be the end of his career. Mark: I hope to God he's he sees the sense. Andy: Talking of the end of career, have you been listening or following the Ed Sheeran debacle? Mark: yes, to an extent. I don't know whether I fully understand the story, but basically his support act, Andy: Mac up more. Mark: Macklemore, had reference support for the Palestinians at a concert. Andy: Yes. Mark: And then as I understand it, the stadium owners, Andy: Yes. Mark: the owner of several stadiums where Ed Sheeran was performing said, I don't want that bloke performing in my stadiums. Andy: My boy. Mark: My boy. Is that roughly it? Andy: That's roughly it, but it escalated because once Macklemore had been pulled from the tour, every other supporting act quit Mark: Yeah. Andy: in solidarity, including Ed Sheeran's own backing band. Mark: Yeah. Andy: So suddenly Ed Sheeran was a solo player on a stadium tour and his silence condemned him because It all comes back to free speech and this is the biggest argument of all that how dare you infringe on music where you're allowed to express yourself however you want. You may not agree with the politics of a musician but if you're paying to listen to them you can either walk out or fucking sit there and listen. It's not up to Mark: Yeah. But Andy: you to say I don't want him playing in my stadiums. Mark: No, no, no, but that's that is a criticism of the stadium owner. Andy: Yeah, but the criticism is extended to Ed Sheeran because he also should have said fine, we will not play in your stadiums. Mark: Yeah, but but y you you were in the bloody business. You can understand the contractual a arrangements that go into state not for not for Andy: Forget that, forget that because the stadium owner has already broken the contract. Mark: Why? Andy: Because Macklemore signed the contract too. Mark: McClemore signed a contract too. To do what? Andy: Yes, to play in those stadiums. Mark: I see what you mean. So he was contract there was an agreement that he would play. Yeah, but y Andy: Yeah, of course. Yes. Mark: yeah, but y yeah, but the thing is you see, you're as I say, you're familiar with these things. It's it's the promoter, the tour manager, Live Nation, is it? Andy: It might not be Live Nation on this particular occasion. Mark: Well, whoever it is, but you've got Live Nation, you've got the artists themselves who sign up to Live Nation, and then you've got Live Nation, if it is them. d Andy: Look, a lot of musicians of old have come out of the woodwork to state their opinion on this. And there was one in particular, I can't remember which one it was, but he said that now he's older, he regrets not having taken action when he was silenced earlier. Because, especially when it comes to stadium tours, stadiums... To walk out of a stadium tour is quite a big deal because stadiums buy houses. This is not a two gigs at the local pub, £15 a night job. Mark: No, that's what I it's millions and million or billions of dollars or whatever, if it's Taylor Swift. Andy: Yeah, well, no, mean, forget for the promoters, but for the performers, it's Mark: Yeah. Andy: hundreds of thousands of support acts. It's hundreds of thousands of dollars. Mark: Yeah. Andy: It's house money. So to walk out on that is quite a big deal. Mark: Yes. Andy: They don't do it lightly. Mark: Nevertheless th but that you are sort of defending Ed Sheeran. Andy: No, I'm defending the support musicians who actually walked out, well done, for standing up for your fucking rights and Mark: I see. a Andy: sacrificing that money to do it. Mark: yes. No, no, no, you're right. But the thing is that you can't avoid the fact that it's an Ed Sheeran tour and everybody else are support tax. And so I imagine Andy: Yes, but Ed Sheeran should have supported his support acts. Mark: yes, but this is the point I'm coming to. Could it be that it would have been Ed Sheeran personally who would have had had to foot the bill in him pulling out. That he would have been sued by the promoter, because he failed to appear. They're not bothered about the support tax, but they would focus on Ed Sheeran. Andy: But the support acts are part of the overall show. Mark: Yeah. Andy: You can't just change as the fucking owner of the venue. You shouldn't even have the fucking ability to say you can and can't play. Once you've signed a fucking show, you let that show go on just because you've got a political fucking axe to grind, mate. Mark: No, but I mean you can imagine their clauses that if the performers do something that brings the stadium's integrity into question. You know, the you there's always get out clauses. All Andy: So, Mark: I'm saying is absolutely right, but you do you think that Ed Sheeran is a decent bloke? Andy: I don't know him, I wish he'd have said something earlier. He did actually break down on stage yesterday or the day before and say that he wished, he's always tried to stay out of politics, wants his music to be about unity, but he realises now that you can't hide. And he wished he'd said something earlier. Mark: Yeah. I mean, you know I Andy: But I mean, you know. Mark: I I agree with everything you say, apart from the fact that I don't think you can point the finger at Ed Sheeran to to the extent of not understanding the full ramifications if he had pulled out of the tour, he might have been personally bankrupted as a result of it. Well you say that. Andy: highly unlikely. He's about as close to a billionaire as you can be. Yeah, you say, well, he writes and plays all his own songs and he's been in the charts constantly for 15 years. He's made a lot of money. A lot of money. Mark: Anyway, you're right, I have followed that story. Sort of. But he did play the concert, that's the point. And he must have had a backing group. Andy: No, maybe they got session musicians in for a night, but he hasn't got his backing. Anyway, on to more serious matters. Mark: Well, freedom of speech. Are you talking about freedom of speech? Andy: Kind of freedom anyway. Mark: Yeah. Andy: Talking about Lucy Letbe. Mark: Lucy Lebbe the nurse Ex nurse Andy: Yes. Finally, people are beginning to realize that perhaps she wasn't as guilty as people have made out. And her court case was indeed a bit of a sham. Now, me and Richard did a show on this a little while ago. And at the end of it, I was definitely of the opinion that Lucy Letby has been a scapegoat. And, like, she was held up as... scapegoat for the failings of the hospital and the doctors who worked at that hospital. And indeed she herself actually brought healthcare for babies to the attention of the local authorities in that hospital. before it all came on top and she was arrested for various murders. But now Channel 5 and believe it or not, The Sun have done the deepest investigation and they intend to shock the nation with their findings. Mark: but I thought her appeal had just been thrown out. Andy: No, they won't allow her to appeal. It's been rejected twice. And the reason for that is because, no, Mark: Yeah, but yeah Yeah, exactly. So okay. Is there no ground, no new evidence? Andy: no, there is plenty of evidence. Mark: No new evidence. Andy: No, but what they want to do is debunk the old evidence because the old evidence was presented. in a medical fashion to a non-medically trained jury. They did not understand what was being said to them. So they just got directions from the judge and directions from the prosecution about, you know, that's very important. You need to remember that. And it's just the whole trial was a fucking sham. Anyway, we'll find out what happens, but I do believe that Lucy Letby should not be in prison. Even if she is guilty, her trial was mismanaged from day one. Mark: well that's slightly different. You mean th you mean the legal process didn't serve her fairly? Andy: No, no, no. It certainly didn't serve her fairly, but I'm not saying that she is guilty, but she should get off because the trial was bad. I believe that she was not guilty. I actually believe she was not guilty. I don't want to get misinterpreted or misreported on that. I believe that she was stitched up by the fucking. Incompetent middle management and the incompetent lazy-arse doctors who should have been overseeing the whole fucking situation. When you've got 15 baby deaths in a baby unit, how does it take two years to come to any kind of conclusion? Mark: is that what happened? It took to I thought it was more than fifteen babies. Well, I thought was like thirty-six or something. Yeah. Andy: It might well have been, I'm just spitting numbers. Mark: Yeah. there's certainly no well, I mean, even I would agree, and I'm not an anti medical establishment person, but I would agree, certainly, failings within hospitals have been covered up. I mean, that's hardly shocking news. and it could be that Yeah. Andy: Yeah, but for someone to go to prison for it, who is not responsible for those failings. Mark: So so what is the situation now? She's in prison, she hasn't been given right of appeal. Andy: No, but she's got such a broad and big support base outside that it's not going to go away. Luckily, people care. There are people out there who care and they are working tirelessly to bring it back into public attention that there's a massive injustice going on here. Mark: Hmm. what I did hear about that particular case quite recently is they gave a report. There was someone who was doing a public inquiry into the matter or something, and she gave her report last week, and I was actually listening to parts of it. And as a result of that, they are sort of starting to introduce, and it sounds terrible, introduce COT cameras. Andy: See, it's... Mark: Cameras into cots to monitor babies in hospitals so that nothing can happen without it being recorded. Andy: That's, see, that's, they're monitoring the wrong people. Yeah, Mark: What the babies you mean? Andy: they're monitoring the wrong people. Monitor the fucking doctors and the managers. The people who are in charge know Mark: Well that's what effectively they're doing. Andy: that they're not because what, you're still making the nurse the first point of fucking blame by monitoring the cots and the babies because they are responsible for administering the care that is directed by the doctors and the management. Mark: But without wanting to get into too much detail 'cause it's such a harrowing story, what the the rate of death at the hospital where Letby worked in the infant Andy: Infant mortality. Mark: mortality, that was the term I was looking for, it was markedly different from any other maternity unit in England, sort of thing. So there was Andy: Yes, yes, but there was a reason for that. The way the maternity unit was built was completely wrong. They're usually enclosed sort of clean and dry areas with air conditioning, ventilation, etc. So they're as clean an environment as possible, but that one was cobbled together. It wasn't built as a baby unit in the first place. So it was a cobbled up job. You should listen perhaps to me and Richard's, think it was about an hour and a half, it was quite a long one. There's a whole catalog of disasters that went on leading up to Lucy Letbe's arrest. Mark: As a matter of interest, Richard's opinion on the matter was the same as yours or contrarian to yours? Andy: He was convinced at the end of our episode that there has definitely been a miscarriage of justice of some kind. Mark: Maybe I'll maybe I'll check it out. How old is Let Bee? She's thirty something, thirty six. No roughly. She's in her thirties. Andy: I've already moved on to the next story. Mark: I think she's thirty six. Andy: Uhhhh, da da da da da da Mark: It's a bit of a serious subject for talking shite, Alex. Alex, Andy. Andy: First of all I'm not Alex. You fucking senile old bastard. You're a very naughty boy talking about Lucy Let B where we're supposed to be laughing and joking. Okay well let's Mark: Yeah. Andy: bring it on to a lighter note. Do you remember an England footballer called Andros Townsend? Me neither. Well Mark: No What's he done? Andy: apparently... He played for Tottenham, Everton and Newcastle as well, but I'm guessing that he was one of these boy wonders who made two appearances for Tottenham, one appearance at Everton, one at Newcastle, one for the under-18s England squad, and then his career was over. But he ended up, he's 35 now, and he's ended up playing in Thailand, where while he was in a pre-game warm-up... He got run over by a grass rolling machine. No it is, Mark: That is not funny, Andy. What? Andy: it is. It was being driven by a Thai guy and there's video of it and as he's being run over by the grass rolling machine which is like a ride on lawnmower but with rollers, the guy leaves the vehicle. Mark: What? Andy: It's like, fuck, he gets out of the vehicle as the vehicle's rolling over the footballer. But he went on to play the match fine. He escaped any kind of serious injury. But it's kind of comical to watch and it makes you wonder exactly why his football career... Didn't go as planned if you can't see and avoid a fucking roller coming Mark: Roller. Andy: towards you! Mark: He's only thirty five, he must you're right, he must have had a pretty short career. If he played Andy: Yeah. Mark: at these three those three teams. Andy: Yeah, he was obviously one of those boy wonders he never done good. Unlike Wayne Rooney, who was a boy wonder, he done really good. But now he's in talks to do, I'm a celebrity, get me out of here. Mark: Is that the one where they have to eat bugs? Andy: Yeah, now did you, I was not aware of this. Mark: How much do you get paid? Tell me how much you get paid? I might do it for the right money. Andy: To be honest, even the nobody celebrities probably get about a quarter of a million quid. But Wayne Rooney would probably qualify for a five mil payday. Because he's definitely going to be the biggest person they've ever had if they get him. But when I saw the picture of him and Mark: What? Andy: it said Rooney, 40, I went, what? He's 40? I thought he was 50, minimum. and he looks 50 minimum. Mark: I was going to say he doesn't look very well, Wayne Rooney. He's put on a little bit of weight, shall we say? Andy: He was always porky. was always on the vert. He was one always one burger away from being a little chunky. But. Mark: One burger of everybody So hang on a second Why Andy: He was, but now he's full-on chunky. Mark: why seriously you reckon Wayne Rooney is the biggest name they've ever had on I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here No You know in the in the public popular Andy: Definitely. Definitely the most famous. Listen, most people go to reality shows when their career is over and they've run out of money. Wayne Rooney is not career finished and he certainly hasn't run out of money. Mark: Well what does he do these days? His career is over. What does that mean? What's a pundit? A football Andy: He's a pundit. Is it Gary Lineker? They talk on TV about the game of football. Mark: The only person, isn't it amazing how sad my brain is, the only person who jumps to mind who went on to I'm a celebrity get me out of here and I may even be remembering it wrong Andy: I'm Whittaker. Mark: No Did she go on there? Andy: Probably. Mark: dear. f is the woman politician who was having sex with who was the most boring prime minister? Andy: John Major. Mark: Who was having sex with John Major? Andy: Curry? Wasn't it something curry? Edwina Curry? Mark: What was her f first? I think she Edwina Curry, I think she went on that show. Andy: Just having that name would mean absolutely no sex. Yeah, you're all right. What's your name, darling? Edwina. Sorry, no. No. Yeah. John Major. Yeah, he was pure grey. I don't know Mark: Do you remember the splitting image of what was his name again? John Major. I think I'm gonna have some more peas today. Andy: whether I should have sugar on my cornflakes or not. What do you Mark: Hehehehe Andy: think, Maggie? Shut up, you boring man. Mark: George b j Edwina Curry was famous for she k no, Andy: having sex with John Major. Mark: well no, but prior to that, as a politician, she was the one that killed the poultry and egg industry in the UK saying it was all similar and infected. Exactly. Andy: Yeah, that's right. Salmonella in your eggs. Fucking, I mean, that's almost as bad as Maggie the milk snatcher. When she took the milk off the school kids in the... Mark: Speaking of which I forgot one major failing of the Trump government. I mentioned defence, I mentioned finance, foreign policy, but also this explosion of all of these diseases that the the the government has closed down all of the research things, so now they They have a pandemic of all sorts of animal diseases and y measles, people dying all over the place. Andy: Measles, mumps, polio's making a comeback. Mark: I mean it's just i th th th there's no bottom to the pit of failure of these people, and yet I'm pretty sure in a few weeks' time thirty per cent of the population are going to vo vote for more of it, please. Andy: Yeah apparently just eating lettuce can give you the shits now in America. Mark: yes, what was that? That was something that was quite serious 'cause people died of that. It's not just gave you the shits, it's like you don't recover, it's so bad. Andy: I've sometimes when I've had the shit sometimes I felt I was gonna die when the world falls out of your bottom. Mark: Yeah. Andy: Sometimes it doesn't wait for the toilet. Mark: please, I don't want to hear about that. Andy: I once... Mark: no, I definitely don't want to hear about that. You've told me before actually 'cause I related the story of my colleague who pooped Andy: You Mark: himself on the underground. Not colleague, someone I knew Andy: Yes. Mark: in my presence. Andy: no, I'll tell you the story of Mickey Flanagan, the comedian, who went on holiday to India with one of his mates. And they warned him about Deli Belly and Mickey Flanagan and Cool Skull. And he said, all right, mate, I've been going to Spain for 30 years. I'm well-trained. No worries. No worries of any food. Mark: Did he come from East End? Minnie Mickey Flanagard. Andy: Mickey Flanagan? Yeah, of course. Mark: All right. Andy: Anyway, of course he gets the deli belly, but his mate then the next day calls him up and says, I'm in bits, mate. I can't go out today. says, I was clenching. I thought I needed to go to the toilet, but it was too late. He says, I thought I was going to fart, but then the shit splashed all the way up to me pillow. Mark: Yeah. How horrible. Andy: I can sympathise because my stomach's been in that condition a couple of times in my life and it's not pleasant. Mark: As a result of poisoning or just abuse. Andy: alcohol and drug poisoning probably. Mark: Can alcohol give you the squitters? Andy: When it's mixed with certain other substances, definitely. I think red wine Mark: Yeah, because yeah. Andy: is quite famous for giving you the shits actually. Yeah. Mark: What the tannins in it. might be. I don't dr I've I was d I've got a medical. I had a medical I've got a medical in a few weeks' time, I had to do a health report. And I was thinking how much I drink these days. I've you know, I used to enjoy an aperitif. Just to satisfy your nanny quote. I used to have an aperitif and maybe a glass of wine. I exactly. Andy: Nanny, can I have my pre-bedtime pins? Mark: B I did have a PIMS, funnily enough, not too long ago. Andy: Of course you did. Mark: and I've s I've stopped with all of that. I just I'll tell you what it was that Andy: Well, mean, as you know, since I've lived here, I've basically stopped drinking completely. Mark: I know, yeah. Well it's probably quite a sensible idea because what actually stopped me from drinking was I just got bored of falling asleep on the sofa. it's so terrible, that feeling of you're as you find yourself asleep on the sofa, you don't know what the hell you've been watching, and you're in that sort of semi asleep, semi-dazed state where you're saying to yourself, I've gotta wake up, I've gotta get out of the sofa, and then you just fall back asleep. Andy: That is basically almost sleep paralysis when you know that you need to move but you can't. That is Mark: Yeah. Andy: basically sleep paralysis. Mark: Hmm. Anyway, so I've sort of cut out the alcohol. You know, I hardly ever go to the booze shop anymore. Hardly ever. Andy: Mm. Mark: But anyway, what got us onto that? Squitters Andy: I don't know, we're speaking shite aren't we so... Mark: no, you're right. It was the Health Minister fellow. What's his name? Kennedy. Andy: Yes. Mark: And what's this talk sorry to talk about Trump again, but it's it's endless source of talking shite. What's what's this thing there now? He's such a child, he's thinking of demolishing the Kennedy Centre. Andy: He won't be allowed to do that. Mark: Well what do you mean he's he did the bloody east wing of the White House without permission? Andy: Yeah, I think that because especially since he's coming to up to the midterms and more and more people are seeing through him, I hope that someone is going to lay down in front of the bulldozers. It's like, you know, fuck off. Who the hell do you think you are? Mark: It's a good point actually. I think that you can't lay down in front of the bulldozers at the White House 'cause you can't get in there. But the Kennedy Centre, it's on a public street. Andy: It's a public building. Mark: it's it's on a street. Well it's been closed for months. Andy: because Trump doesn't like the fact that it's got Kennedy's name on it and not his. He's Mark: Yeah, exactly. Andy: such a cunt. Mark: Yeah. But that woman c what's her face? Katie something or other, you know, the his his aide. Andy: Katie, changer. Mark: she is still you know, they're not trying to hide her in the background. She's there getting on Air Force One with him and carrying big bags of nappies. Andy: Yeah because she's eye candy, that's it. Yes, Mark: For him. Andy: he thinks that as long as he's got a pretty girl on his arm, he'll be the most popular president in the world. Because that's what you expect from your president. Gold leaf and pretty girls. Mark: Gold Leaf. What do you think is going to happen if he ever leaves the Oval Office? Do you think they're gonna rip it I think they will. They're gonna have to demolish it just just to get rid of the stench. Andy: They'll fucking demolish it. They'll fucking demolish it. And just to get the smell of shit out, the carpet will have to go. I mean, can you imagine the, forget splashing your pillow. I bet there's stains all over the fucking rugs and everything. God. Mark: Could you imagine sniffing the seat in the Oval Office in fr Andy: That chair is gone. I mean that chair. They can't even put it in a museum of shit. Mark: What's the desk called? The repar the respirator what's the desk? Begins with R. No. No, it's the name of a ship. Yeah, exactly. The things that that Andy: the respite? No because it was built, it was made out of the ship wasn't it? The ra... Mark: has witnessed, you've got Clinton with Lewinsky nossing him under the death. Andy: I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if they need to burn the desk. Mark: He Andy: And it won't need any fucking kind of accelerant because it's built in with the methane. Mark: Let me ask you this about Trump. Is there anything that could happen to that fellow where you would show just a scintilla of sympathy for him? Andy: No, no, there is nothing that would not make me pop open a bottle of champagne. There is nothing. Mark: Hm. I mean very, very sadly I think the same applies to me. You know, even if he gets wheeled out in a coma for the next twenty years, I just I can't Andy: He would be one of the few people I would say, no, no, don't pull the plug, leave him in there. It's as close as you'll get to prison. Mark: yes, hang on a second. We haven't talked we've as I say it's an endless supply of stories. Did we talk about the the the bloody son whose wedding was paid by the Russian oligarch? Andy: no, we never covered that. Mark: Don Junior's wedding a few months ago. Have we covered this? Andy: No, no we haven't. Mark: I mean, what were they thinking? Andy: As long as they don't have to spend any of their hard stolen money, why would they complain? They are the fucking biggest money hogging family in history. Mark: Well well th that basically sums up the two elements in the story. If they're so stinking rich, why can't they pay for their own frigging wedding? Andy: No, they don't want to dip into their own petty cash. They've only got six billion stolen away. Mark: And why? I mean they're public figures. Why in the world would they have let us a Russian oligarch with direct not just links to Putin, he's a mate of Putin's pay? Of all the people in the world. Andy: Trump has made it patently clear that Russia are allies, Canada are enemies. He's Mark: Yeah. Andy: made it patently clear where the loyalties of his United States lie, and it's with other dictators. It's not with traditional allies or long-term friendships, it's with other dictators. He, Putin, Kim, all of them. They're all good buddy buddies. And that means that they're America's buddy buddies. Mark: Did you also see the report over the week that and I hadn't heard it. You remember that poor I say poor well, yeah, poor victim of Epstein who committed suicide. G GRF? Andy: There's more than one. Mark: No, but the one who committed suicide in Australia. The one who was photographed with Andrew. Virginia Guru for something. Andy: Virginia, Virginia Guffrey. Mark: Guffery. She was apparently raped by Netanyahu. Andy: Clinton? probably. Mark: No, but that that that that is that was she reported it. She was not only raped by it, she was beaten up. She ended up in hospital. And she reported it was Netanyahu, she was trafficked to Netanyahu. He raped and beat me up. All in reports and everything. No one ever talks about that. Andy: No, they wouldn't, would they? Because she was promised to him 3,000 years ago. Mark: wa well maybe. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, come on, come up with a good story, some something really stupid. You've had the roll the roller roller man on the football thing. Andy: I mean, I can't get more stupid than that. That was pretty stupid. Mark: Come on, what's the front page of the sun today? Andy: It's actually quite a tragic story. I don't know if you remember a few, a couple of months ago when three black women walked into the sea at Brighton and they all drowned sisters, three sisters. It's still an unsolved Mark: No? No. What what they literally just walked into the sea, got carried away by the tides. Andy: mystery. However, it came, it comes to light that they're from Birmingham originally and they're all responsible grown-ups. But when they were 16, 15 and 12, their mother, who had mental health issues, vanished and turned up drowned in a lake three months later. And it transpires now that these girls who all lived in London... went to visit the site of their mother's death a couple of days before they then went to Brighton and ended up all three drowned in the sea. And there is possibly a connection to be made because they never really socialized or traveled much ever anywhere and for them to make those two trips in those two days was a very unusual occurrence in their 30s. Mark: How old were they? In their thirties, did you say? Andy: But they never ever got over the death of their mother. Mark: I see, so so what they're speculating is it was a tragic group suicide or something. It's amazing Andy: Yeah. So is that lighthearted enough for you? Mark: no not really. And in fact, you know, it is amazing what tragedies people do have to carry around with them and and never recover from. Andy: Yeah, I mean, life is shit. And then we die and unfortunately not everybody is equipped to deal with the shit parts of life and no matter how much they try and I've always found it's best to just fucking ignore it. I've never really let anything Mark: Well obviously I might Andy: affect me that badly. Mark: I mean I have been even I would accept I've been extremely lucky. I think I've always been in nearly every aspect of my life lucky. I was, you know my parents weren't particularly wealthy, but they were definitely middle class. I I have a different recollection of my life to date and it's always been very lucky. I mean I say lucky. It depends whether you think that what's the expression where you No, no, no, no, not a derogatory Andy: Silver spoon, that the expression? Mark: expression, but you make your own luck, as it were. I mean, and I think that actually does apply to me to gra I you know, not many people would have been willing to work 70 hours a week, get up at five o'clock in the morning, get home at seven o'clock at night for twenty years. Andy: Yes, my first job as assistant CEO of my father's factory. I worked my way Mark: Here we go. Here we go. Andy: up from the bottom. was financial chief officer. Mark: Ha ha ha. Andy: Financial chief officer no less for nearly a month before I was promoted to CEO. A month of slavery. Mark: In defence of my father, he was the one that absolutely hated the idea of me going into banking. He thought they were all cheats and charlatans, if that's not the same word. Well Andy: He was quite right. I'm sure he would have loved to listen to me on this point. Mark: dear. Yeah. No, but anyway, I have a different experience of life generally. I I have a positive outlook on life, probably because I have had up to this point in time it may all change. Andy: Yeah, but I mean, it's probably been quite charmed, your life, compared to a lot of other people's. Mark: No no no, I'm not as I say, I don't I don't dispute that in any way. But Andy: No, I'm just saying that's why you have that point of view because your life has been quite charmed but... Mark: But the thing is some people would look at your life and think that was quite charmed. Andy: No, my life was ducking and diving and making the best of what was usually quite a terrible situation. Mark: Yeah, but that's not true, Andy. Andy: I've suffered. I've... Mark: Yeah, but you say that. You all you talk about is partying with the bloody stars and managing transvestite nightclubs and things. A lot of people would think, What a life, what an exciting life. Andy: It looked glitzy from the outside and it certainly enabled me to travel quite widely. Mark: Yeah, I mean you you know you went to Greece for three years as a bloody diving instructor or whatever it was. Andy: No, I wasn't a diving instructor. Mark: What were you just diving? Were Andy: I was a barman in a hotel. Mark: you? No no no no no no no the story is now changing You were a bloody diving instructor in Greece. Andy: Yes. No, it's never changed. In Greece, worked, I was never a diving instructor. I didn't even start diving until years after Greece. Mark: What? Andy: My diving started in Turkey. no, even in Cuba, maybe in Cuba, in the Bay of Pigs, where I actually managed to get closer to Cuba underwater than America ever did. Yeah, Mark: So you were a barman in Greece? Andy: I was working in a bar and a hotel in exchange for free rent and I think about eight quid a day. Mark: How old were you when you were doing that? Andy: 21 maybe? 22? Mark: Yeah, well you see that you know, that's the difference. I can tell you when I was that age, when I was working in the plastics factory, and I don't want the violins to come out, but I was doing twelve hour days, sometimes six days a week. No Andy: We've got the smallest, the world's smallest one right here. Mark: no no, but you know, you've got to give me credit to that. I was doing sixty hour weeks from when I was a teenager. Andy: Yes, yes, but you, you had a different set of ethics. You, it was instilled into you that what you need to do is work hard and buy yourself a house as quickly as possible. Whereas we were told, Mark: Yeah. Yep, absolutely. Andy: pass your exams and see if you can get a job as a milkman, a coalman, a chimney sweep. You know, we were given no ambition. We were never told that there was a real life available to us. Mark: No, but I disagree that that's not true, Andy, because just look at your brothers. Andy: It's absolutely true. Mark: Your brothers who grew up in the same household, you know, successful businessmen or whatever, they they they had the same upbringing as you did. Andy: successful businessman. Mark: Isn't your your I thought one of your brothers was a very successful man, a business owner who travels the world and does things? Andy: No, he travels the world jumping out of airplanes and riding roller coasters. That's not the same as Mark: And roller coaster. Yeah, exactly. Well you c Andy: doing that for a living. He's a carpenter. Mark: No no no, but Well yeah, but he's a successful carpenter. Andy: He, you mean he's got a job? Mark: I mean he's Andy: Because that is all that entails. He has a job as a carpenter. He basically refits pubs. Mark: Well, that must be a tough business at the moment 'cause they're all bloody cle or refitting them into restaurants. Andy: No, just refurbing, like building new bars and things. It's all woodwork, you know. But he, I mean, it pays well, I'm sure. He does alright. And the younger one, he's a maintenance man at the Sadler's Wells Ballet fucking theatre, so... Mark: He's a is he he works at the Saddle as well as you've told me that before. Andy: has done for years, yeah. Mark: That's right. And do you get any free tickets? Do you like the ballet? Andy: What? Mark: Why are you laughing? Andy: my god. Do you know what? After he doesn't even bother trying to fit secret cameras in the changing rooms anymore he's so fed up with the ballet. It's like... SID shit isn't it, ballet. Mark: Well why do you say that? Hang on a second. You come across you always give this persona as a well read, intelligent individual Andy: Yes! Mark: and you're just writing off ballet in a couple of words. Why the fuck are you talking? Andy: And I would write off jazz in exactly the same way. It's shit. It's not for everybody. Mark: Have you ever been to see have you ever seen Swan Lake? Andy: I couldn't, I wouldn't stay awake long enough. Mark: Alright, well let me ask you this, have you never seen Billy B what's the movie Billy Bunter, Billy Joel? Wha what's the movie? Billy Elliot Billy Elliot Well you must have been Andy: Billy Elliot. I have seen Billy Elliot. Mark: moved in the final scene where Billy prances onto the stage as the black swan. Well that didn't give you butterflies. Andy: Not really, not really. No, it's not my cup of tea. It's like if you said to me, all right, we've got a choice. We're going Spanish today. We can either go and see a ball fight or a flamenco. I'm going to watch the ball fight every time. And I hate ball fighting. Mark: Yeah you yeah, but you d you don't have to be into these things to be moved by them. Are you saying that when you watch Paul Potts audition on Britain's Got Talent you didn't bring a tear to your eye? Andy: I honestly can tell you I have never seen one episode of Britain's Got Talent. Mark: No you don't have to see an episode but just Paul Potts audition. It's a five minute YouTube video. But Andy: No, no thank you, no thank you, not interested. Mark: yeah it's just astonishing how closed your mind actually is. Andy: Sorry, but Britain's got talent like the X Factor and Pop Idol and all the other manufactured sats. It's got no fucking interest for me whatsoever. Mark: Well, I know it's not good for the music industry. I'm not defending it as a concept. No, I understand it's not you're a music industry lover. So these programmes kill the musc music industry, but that's got nothing to do with what I'm talking about. I'm saying that some t s t mobile s telephone salesman walks on stage and people are in tears as a result simply of his singing. That has to move you. Andy: You know, all he did was fucking... He probably sound Ness and Dorma, because they all do. Mark: I think you're probably right. So that gives me no no Andy Admit it you've seen it Andy: It's a bit like going on and singing Angels by fucking Robbie Williams. I haven't. I'm just telling you that everyone sings Nessun Dorma because it's got the crescendo that everybody goes, And you know what, it's very impolite to clap an opera singer until the end of his fucking performance. Just letting you fucking philistines know you bunch of savages. Mark: So now, having just admitted you've got absolutely no interest in opera, you're f Andy: I didn't say opera. Mark: well I see, so you do have interest in opera? Andy: I never said anything about opera. I said Mark: Yes you did. Andy: jazz. Mark: I see it was Jazz you said. No, because then you're giving advice to audience members You did, you said don't clap until the end. Andy: I'm not giving advice, I'm just telling you that you're a bunch of philistines. Mark: Why do opera lovers why are they automatically Andy: Do not interrupt the maestro while he's in mid-performance. You sit back and enjoy Mark: You know. Andy: it. It's not Mark: Yeah. Andy: a rock concert. You don't get up and start dancing. Mark: But you have you been to the opera then, let me ask you that. Andy: I have, been in Covent Garden. Yeah. I quite enjoy an opera. But I enjoy it because of the music. And Mark: A few times. Alright, okay, fine. Yeah, I quite enjoy an opera. Yeah. Andy: I do like the power of the opera voice. It's fantastic. Mark: Yeah. Andy: However... Mark: dear However Andy: However, in the context of a fucking karaoke talent show... Fuck off, I'm not interested. Mark: No no no, but I mean he was he still is. He's a reasonably talented opera singer. He's not he's not a boy band. He is Andy: He's not classically trained. No, he's not. can't be. Mark: Yes. Andy: But then what's he doing on Britain's Got Talent? It's supposed to be for amateurs. Mark: But what are you talking about? He he actually I I think it was a summer school, but he he studied for a very short time under Pavarotti. I mean you know, he he he came from the Welsh valleys for Christ's sake. You can't get much more s Andy: So did Tom Jones. Mark: yeah, and look why I'm to him he was a megastar. Andy: He still is. Mark: He still is, exactly. Er so you know, you gotta give him credit. He he he he what's the market for an not particularly attractive guy from Wales as an opera singer? Andy: Funny enough, it doubled when that woman came on to Simon Cowell's show. What was her name? Susan Mark: Susan Boyle. Andy: Boyle. Because that was the epitome of absolutely unfuckin' Mark: What what's that got to do with it? She was an extremely talented singer. Andy: that makes no she's not she's very average. Do you know ask ask any fucking Mark: She's not an average singer, Andy. Andy: opera buff. Mark: She's not doesn't sing opera, she sings musicals. Andy: Or, yes, but her voice is so average. Mark: Elaine Page style. Andy: Yes, Elaine Page style. Ask Elaine Page what she thinks of... Mark: Well I don't think Elaine Page would have a rude word to say about Susan Boyle. Andy: Maybe not publicly. She's not as Mark: I don't know. Andy: talented as the newspapers make her out to be or Simon Cowell. And that whole set up when they're all sitting there, go, that's just so staged. They knew what she was going to do when she came out. I hate that whole fucking plastic show thing. It's like, they drop, drop your pens. It's like fuck off. It's just such a load of bollocks. Anyway, you've got me going now. This is supposed to be the Liar Hearted show. You've kicked me off. Mark: No, you're right, no but th the point is that the listeners must be used to it. There's no avoiding your rants. Andy: You Mark: I mean, whatever the subject, there's an element of it that you're gonna have a rant about. Andy: Maybe it's just part of my personality, who knows? Mark: I think it might be part of your personal I think it might be a major part of your personality, actually, Andy. God. Andy: Anyway, I think we've gone on enough. We've gone on enough. We've spoken enough shite for this week. You're away for this week's episode of Strange Mark: A week. Yeah. Andy: Stuff podcast. Mark: Yeah. Andy: Richard's starting his new job this week, so I can't ask him Mark: Yeah. Andy: to step in. So it looks like I'll be a solo Mio again on Thursday. Mark: Why don't you get Hannah to step in or something? Andy: Hannah texted me at 3 o'clock this morning and I missed it. Asking if I was awake. So I texted her back saying, I missed your text. Is everything okay? She hasn't responded. I'm hoping it was just a drunken hello. because a text at 3am is never usually a good thing. But Mark: No. Andy: anyway, I'll find out, I guess. I'm Mark: All right. Yep. Andy: hoping if it was something awful she would have actually just phoned. Mark: You know we're still recording. Andy: Yes, okay, I can cut this off. Mark: Yeah. Yeah. All right, very good. Andy: Anyway, I'd say thanks for listening everyone. Mark: Yeah. Andy: I hope there was something of interest in there for us. I think there's something for everyone. We cover quite a lot of subjects. Mark: We did. dear. Andy: And join us again the same time, same place next week where Mark will be replaced by the much more useful Richard. Mark: Yeah. Andy: So we'll be speaking shite with Richard next week and Mark: Yeah. Andy: it could be a career ender for Mark. Mark: Yeah, you're right. Well it's been nice knowing you all. Andy: In the meantime, have yourselves a strange week, speak shite to people and listen to shite. And if you hear anything really shite, send it in so we can speak about it as well. Bye for now. Mark: Indeed. Cheerio