Dan O: Hello. Hello and welcome in. My name is Dano. This is Rotten Onions. We're switching it up today. I'm hosting because both of us decided we need more energy in the intros. So here's that energy. Tikas, how are you feeling today? Tykus: I'm feeling great there, and thanks so much for having me. You'd have me Dan O: Cool. Tykus: every week, but thanks for not telling me I can't. Dan O: I'm telling you, you just don't you don't listen. Today we are talking about one of my favorites. Tykus: One of your favorites. Dan O: One of my favorites. This is this is a movie that I watch at least once a year. We're talking about that guy. And we're talking about the guy behind you, Tychus. Tykus: this little man with the pale face? Dan O: The pale face. The the what I think it's like a William Shatner mask. Have you heard this? Tykus: is that what it is? Because it doesn't look like it at all. Dan O: I it it's pale. Tykus: I guess that's the main similarity. Dan O: That's the similarity. But yeah, okay, we'll get into that. We'll get into that. This this is what, anyways, this is why we wanted me to host, because I am more organized. And I know how to kick segments off. Yeah, we're Tykus: You get straight to it, Dan. Dan O: talking about Halloween. The 1978 John Carpenter version of Halloween. Which I always love because that does mean that somewhere out there, there's a carpenter named John Director. And I've always just Tykus: Hahaha Dan O: thought that's just good. Tykus: Yeah. Dan O: Tike, do you do you have an opening segment? Tykus: I do actually, I have a very fun opening segment planned. I Dan O: All right. Tykus: think you're going to enjoy it Dan, because it's a bit of a pun you might say. Today we're playing a good old fat, you are playing a good old fashion game of Michael Myers or Mike Myers. Dan O: Wow. Tykus: Dan, I'm going to give you several quotes today, and you have to tell me whether or not this is a quote from Mike Myers former SNL cast member and the voice of Shrek. or if this is a quote from Michael Myers in any of the canonical movies in the Halloween franchise. This includes the original John Carpenter sequels, the Rob Zombie remake, and the modern retcon sequels. Dan O: Unbelievable. Tykus: Dan, you're aware that this franchise has three movies that are just called Halloween, right? Yeah, there's Dan O: yeah. yeah. Tykus: Halloween, Halloween, and Halloween. Dan O: Not to be confused with Halloween. Tykus: Right, yes, but I said that already. Dan O: Yeah, I know. I I'm following. Tykus: Fantastic. Dan, are you ready to play Michael Myers or Mike Myers? Alright, this is your first quote, Dan. these will vary in difficulty from very hard to extremely hard. Your first Dan O: sounds easy. Tykus: quote. Quote. Dan, is that Michael Myers or Mike Myers? Dan O: You know what I'm now realizing is that how can you quote Michael Myers, who says no words in almost any of the mov I'll go with I'll go with Shrek on that. Tykus: That was actually Michael Myers' dance. Dan O: That was Michael. Okay, full Mike, Tykus: Yes. Dan O: full Michael. Tykus: Your next quote, quote, marriage can be viewed as the waiting room for death. that Michael Myers or Mike Myers. Dan O: And to to clarify, when you say Mike Myers, are you talking about the Canadian actor or the character of Shrek? Tykus: Everything is on, anything Mike Myers has ever said in his entire life, whether performing or not, is on the table. Dan O: Well, this changes everything. I'm gonna go with Mike on this. Tykus: Mike Myers, that is correct Dan. So far Dan O: All right. Tykus: you're one of two. Dan O: Nice. Tykus: Your next quote. The interesting thing about life is there is what you think is going to happen and what actually happens. Is that Michael Myers or Mike? Dan O: It's so profound, you can tell a lot of thought was put into that. A lot of life has been lived to even get to that conclusion. I'm going Michael. Tykus: That was actually Mike Myers, Sorry. Coming Dan O: Of course it was. Of course it was. Tykus: in at 33.3 % accuracy right now, Dan. Dan O: Whatever. Tykus: Your next quote, put my mask back on. Please put my mask back on. Is that Michael Myers or Mike? Dan O: Your your laugh is giving something away. because it's it's got it's Tykus: Mike Myers is pretty funny. Dan O: he's pretty funny. You know what? I can see a version of him saying this like on the set of an Austin Powers, so I'm gonna go Mike. Tykus: is actually Michael Myers, Yeah, you're really bad at this. Dan O: It was Michael, of course. Yeah. Yeah. Tykus: Your next quote, my parents taught me to do whatever makes you happy. Follow your bliss. Dan O: Da if if y the boy behind us, our boy here, didn't have supportive parents, then I don't know who did. I'm going Michael on that. Tykus: Mike Myers, Dan. Your next quote, my parents taught me to, that was the one I just did, Dan. Dan O: So can I go again? Tykus: Technically, due to the rules, since I re-read the quote, you may guess again on that quote. Dan O: I'm going Michael again. Tykus: That was still Mike, this unfortunate Dan. Your next quote. Elvis died. I had to flush him. Dan O: He had to flush him. give give me Mike. Tykus: that was Michael Myers' Dan O: So w can when when did he say that? Which Tykus: That is the Rob Zombie Halloween remake after I believe he kills a gerbil? Dan O: Okay. All right. Tykus: and he flushes the gerbil down the- which seems like it's not possible. But, I'll let him have it, cause his last name is Zombie. Your next quote. Dan O: This is this is classic Canadian Mike. Tykus: This is Canadian Mike Myers. Congratulations, Dan. Your score Dan O: All right. Back on the board. Tykus: is really bad. You need this last one to bring you up to a respectable number. This is the final quote, Dan. Are you ready? Dan O: Yeah. Tykus: All right, quote, hi, I'm Michael Myers, end quote. Dan O: okay okay okay. can you say it again? Tykus: Hi, I'm Michael Myers. Dan O: Yeah, that's what I thought. Okay. Okay. I think that's I think that's gimme Mike. Tykus: Sorry, Dan, that was both. Both Michael Dan O: wait. Tykus: Myers and Mike Myers have said that. Dan O: So I don't get any. Tykus: You get, I'll give you half a point I guess. Dan O: All right, I'll take it. Tykus: Well that's the opening segment full of lots of energy, a lot of correct guesses. Dan O: Alright, okay. Well there it Tykus: Hahaha Dan O: was. We nailed it. We nailed it. Hey, this is going super, super good. Maybe we should let's get into the film a little bit here. Tykus: Fantastic day. Dan O: We we always do a thing on this show called Tychus' Rapid Recap. And look for anybody for the for the one person who watched the last one and is also watching this, I say to you, Tykus: Tony. Dan O: this the Tony, this week is actually going to be rapid. Is that right? Tykus: I can guarantee it, Daniel. Dan O: Okay, all right, so let's do that. We'll get into we'll get into the setting a little bit and talk more about it. Okay, so for anybody that hasn't seen this movie, here goes Tychus's rapid recap. Tykus: So six year old Michael Myers murders his sister on Halloween and then he goes away for forever and then one day he's being transferred by a doctor named Dr. Loomis but he escapes and he goes back to the hometown where he murdered his sister and he's walking around and he's following this group of teenage girls and he's following them around all day until Halloween night and then he starts killing all of them. He kills one of them and then he hides the body and then another girl and her boyfriend come over to the house and he kills them. And then our main character who's played by Jamie Lee Curtis, she She almost gets killed by him, but then he doesn't kill her, and then she kills him. But guess what? You can't kill the boogie man, he's alive, so she kills him again. But guess what? You can't kill the boogie man, he's alive, and then Dr. Loomis has a gun, so he shoots him, and he kills him actually this time. But guess what? You can't kill the boogie man, and that's the movie. Dan O: there you have it. we've been rapidly recapped, and now I feel like I've seen the movie again. And Tykus: Yeah, it was that good? Dan O: that's the intended effect, everybody. okay. That Tykus: It's right? It's a spooky rapid recap. Dan O: I yeah, I do wanna yeah, my first question for you before we even get into any of this. were you scared when you watched this movie? Tykus: I was scared for, I felt tense. Actually Dan, this is the perfect question for my thoughts on this movie. Dan O: Yeah. Tykus: In as few words as possible, Halloween overdoses on suspense. Dan O: Wow. Wow. Okay. Tykus: So this movie, the opening of this movie is incredible. The one-er of six-year, POV shot of six-year-old Michael murdering his sister is one of the most well-done openings to a movie I've ever seen. And then we go 50 minutes of just Michael Myers hanging out doing absolutely nothing. It's pretty scary because you're like, this guy's gonna start killing people. But then he doesn't kill anyone for 50 minutes. I was scared and it was tense for a while. And then it reached a point where I was like, he's not doing anything. I don't care anymore. Dan O: Mm, mm. Wow. Okay. Okay. Tykus: I'm like, he's gonna kill- he's not- he's gonna- he's not- he's- he's not- he's gonna- he's- he's not. I guess he's just not. Dan O: You you wanted more killing. Tykus: I wanted the killings to not be so spread out. Dan O: Mm, okay. Tykus: The number of killings is fine, Dan. To go open the movie with a killing and then go 50 minutes of an hour and a half long movie with absolutely nothing. Dan O: Ha ha. Tykus: and then just jam-pack the end. Feels very, Dan O: huh. Tykus: feels like I wasted, because again, it's not like anything happens in those 50 minutes. Most of those Dan O: Mm-hmm. Tykus: 50 minutes, you're just following Jamie Lee Curtis and her terrible friends who are doing nothing. Dan O: terrible in the way that they don't believe what she is saying, they don't Tykus: They're just bad friends. They're like rude to her and mean and just like bad people. But like Dan O: huh. Mm-hmm. Okay, okay. Tykus: it's high school, so they're her friends. Like I get that. Like these are just the people Dan O: Right. Right. Tykus: you have to be friends with. It's high school. You have to be friends with someone. But the only enjoyable parts of the movie in those 50 minutes are when, is it Donald Sutherland? Dan O: are you talking about Loomis? Yeah. Tykus: Dr. Loomis. He steals the show, which is impressive considering Jamie Lee Curtis is the star, but Jamie Lee Curtis also does nothing in this movie. She is an immensely talented actress. She does fine, but she's given nothing in this movie, so she doesn't do anything with it, because there's nothing to work. She's just pretty scared Dan O: Interesting. Tykus: at the end and that's the extent of her acting in this movie. And it's Jamie Lee Curtis in her debut. So it feels pretty shameful that that's what we get out of her. Donald Sutherland is the only enjoyable performance in this movie. He steals the show. He's captivating when he's on the screen. But nothing happens for so much of this movie. And I get for most people, that's the point. but it reached a point where it was just too much and like I said, it overdosed and killed itself. Dan O: So when you say it overdosed on suspense, you're like, too many parts of this were suspenseful with no payoff. Is that kind of what you're getting at? Tykus: Yeah, pretty much. Dan O: Okay. Tykus: Yeah, when he's in the house and Annie's the first girl to die, right? And he's just constantly Dan O: yeah, yeah, yeah. Tykus: appearing and or messing with her or whatever and not doing anything. There's like five times I'm okay, either do it or don't. Why do you keep showing me all of this? Dan O: Hmm. Tykus: What's this dude's problem? Does he want to kill her or not? Dan O: Interesting. Okay. This is a unique take. 'cause honestly this movie doesn't it's not a long runtime. It's an hour and a half. Tykus: No, it's not. It's a very quick movie, and yet Dan O: It's a pretty quick movie. Tykus: it fails, in my opinion. Dan O: Wow, okay, okay, all right. I feel like part of me really wants to defend that and not even just to disagree with you, but like well I g is this the first time you've ever seen this movie? Tykus: This is first time I've ever seen it, yes. Dan O: Okay. And while it was like maybe too suspenseful with not enough payoff, did it scare you? Like d were there jump scares that got you? Tykus: Not really. Dan O: Okay. Okay. Tykus: What's the, what jumpscare got you when you first watched this movie? How old were you when you Dan O: When I first watched this movie Tykus: first watched this movie? 13? Dan O: yeah, I was thirteen and it was a Friday. Tykus: All right, do you watch it with your Dan O: Yeah. Tykus: friend Jason? Dan O: Freddy. Yeah. Tykus: Freddie, okay. Fantastic. Dan O: I get like specific parts. So I watch this movie now and I kind of know all the beats of like, this is when Michael shows up, here's when it gets loud, here's when he pops out of nowhere. So it doesn't scare me now. When I first saw it, basically like every part of them trying to reveal where Michael was. He's just standing there watching, and it's super creepy and it's weird. Especially this scene right here. So this is like Lori and her friends walking back. He kind of pops out and he looks, but then he completely disappears. And one friend goes over there to go check it out. And even in that moment, like there's no payoff. But they build up to a moment and I think the intent was let's let's keep like making people really tense and nervous about this guy. But re-watching it now, I'm like, he doesn't really kill in the daylight. I don't know if that is a part of just his his showmanship, but Now I'm like, okay, nah, nothing's gonna happen. But the first time you watch it, it's just constantly building up to Halloween night, which I really appreciate. Cause once that once it's nightfall, everyone starts dying. So to me to me Tykus: three people. Dan O: I think five people in total die in this movie. Tykus: Yeah, but three people on Halloween night, not counting the first Halloween. Dan O: Yeah, yeah, that's right. Not counting the first one. Tykus: Two dogs, if you count. Dan O: I'll I'll count one of Tykus: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Dan O: Yeah. Okay. Okay. so I guess I just feel like the suspense it did pay off because we'd finally get to Halloween night and he goes on a killing spree. And all that tension up in the beginning of the movie starts to pay off. Tykus: But even on Halloween night, there's 10 different times. Dan O: Yeah. I it's really just supposed to like keep you guessing. It's supposed to keep you looking over your shoulder to see if he's there. Tykus: It reaches a point where I'm done guessing though. Dan O: 'Cause the the alternative is that every time he shows up he kills. And then there is no surprise the suspense Tykus: No, until he shows up two dozen times and doesn't kill anyone, then you're like, I guess he never kills anyone, except I know he has to kill someone. So I guess I just won't be in suspense. Because Dan O: Yeah. Tykus: I know it's happening and I know it's also not going to happen anytime soon, apparently. Dan O: Okay, okay. This is fair. This is fair. 'Cause we're we're watching the same thing. I think it's just hitting us differently. And when you see it for the fifteenth time maybe maybe you'll be like, okay, yeah, that's pretty okay. I see what they're doing. my my biggest thought this watch around was honestly, okay. So if I had to sum it up, Michael Myers to me is more of a showman than he is a killer. So he wasn't born to really start killing. In my opinion, he was born for the stage. this guy is such a showman. He loves his theatrics. He loves setting people up. He loves tricking them. He likes a misdirection and surprise. this guy. He's born for the stage, which is why the movie is so good, because you give this this showman the whole stage. Tykus: Break that down for me. Dan O: let's go through some of the killings. So like I'm thinking of one, I can't remember the character's names right now, but it's a boyfriend and girlfriend, they're in bed. One of them Why Tykus: Bob and Linda? Bob and... Dan O: not? Bob and Linda, yeah, let's let's do that. Bob's burger's characters. So, yeah, they're in bed, and Guy gets up to go grab her a beer. He dies. He gets pinned to a wall. And instead of just walking into the room, and like his victim is with no defense, so he could just go in there and start killing. Tykus: Mm-hmm. Dan O: He decides: I'm gonna put this sheet over my whole body. And then I'm gonna not not only that, I'm gonna put on some sunglasses over the sheet of the Tykus: Though the glasses of the guy that he killed. Dan O: guy. And and then he just stands there and he's just toying around and he's just playing. Tykus: Yeah, that's the, that's the, he's a little goofball. Dan O: That's it, that's exactly what I'm saying. He doesn't get right to it. He enjoys like the journey of getting to the kill or like the building of suspense, if you will. Like that's what makes him such a showman. Tykus: Mm-hmm. that's not even the most showmanship he puts in. Dan O: He's like calling on the phone. No, no, no. Not at all. Not at all. I'm just saying, like basically through every kill. Tykus: he digs up a gravestone. Dan O: And puts it on the bed. yeah, that's what I'm saying. Tykus: This man is... And I think I'm the first person to ever say this. This man is superhuman. Dan O: You're the first person to ever think that. Tykus: you can't kill him, he's able to lift a gravestone and drag it across town and put it upstairs on a bed all by himself. Dan O: Mm-hmm. Tykus: That's more impressive than the not dying part. Dan O: Let's let's ignore and I might edit this out, but let's ig also ignore the fact that he was able to carry that gravestone up seemingly with no problem, but also had a lot of issues breaking through a closet door. Tykus: Right, yeah yeah yeah yeah, but that was his showmanship. Dan O: Hey, you could be right. Maybe let's leave it in. There's the showmanship again. Right? He likes to pretend. He likes to do the song Tykus: Mm-hmm. Dan O: and dance. It just makes me appreciate his work a lot more. Tykus: You appreciate his work. Okay, that's, Dan O: I sure do. Yeah. Tykus: maybe edit that part out. Dan O: This is fictional work, of course. Tykus: you like when fictional teenage girls are stabbed to death. Dan O: I'm gonna edit this part out for sure. Yeah. no, I don't like it. I just, again, because this is like a movie, you have this Tykus: Uh-huh. Dan O: this guy who clearly, this life is not really cut out for him. He he reminds me a lot of like An NBA player who made it to seven feet tall when they were a junior in high school, but they actually hate basketball, but they're so naturally gifted in that way that they just have to go and fulfill that destiny. That's kind of Michael. Like he's so good at killing that he Tykus: Child prodigy. Dan O: absolutely, yeah, a prodigy. And he starts early and he only continues to get better at killing. But really, his heart is elsewhere. Tykus: Right. It's a tragedy that he chose murder. as is. Dan O: Yeah. This guy should be performing every Tuesday night at a open Michael or something. he shouldn't really be out killing so much. He genuinely could like get a crowd of people. Tykus: He could, yeah. Yeah. Maybe in the alt scene. Dan O: Yeah, that's all I'm saying. Any scene, I'm not in the alt scene. I love this guy. Tykus: True, that's true, true. Dan. Who's who in this movie? Dan O: Yeah, this this one's so tough. I went to bed last night and I just was racking I can't I can't Tykus: the one thing I will say is Michael Myers is Shrek but I don't know if that means Michael Myers is Shrek, you know? Dan O: I I'm right with you because I don't he Tykus: He's a showman though, you're saying. You know who's Dan O: He is. He's a loner. Tykus: a showman. Donkey. Dan O: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Tykus: Doc McEvoy doesn't really kill Dan O: Okay. Tykus: people. Dan O: That's the toughest comparison. So honestly, maybe this is the time for me to get into my segment because we're we're directly comparing the two. So I'm gonna I'm gonna go into my segment here. Tykus: Okay. Dan O: And I actually I think this is the perfect segue into who's who, but I'll just say like a a quick note on my segment. It is completely different than yours, Tykus: Okay. Dan O: which What what was the name of your segment again? Tykus: Mine was Michael Myers or Mike. Dan O: Perfect because mine is Mike Myers versus Michael Myers. So a whole lot different. Tykus: Fantastic. Dan O: okay, let's go through. I'm gonna I'm gonna rapid fire a lot of questions at you, and you just tell me if is the answer Mike Myers or Michael Myers? And for all intents and purposes, Mike Myers, I'm talking about Trick. Okay. Tykus: Okay, because when I talked about Mike Myers, I was talking about Mike Myers. Dan O: That's right. Tykus: So it's different. Okay. Dan O: Slightly. Okay. First one. who's funnier? Tykus: I think Mike Myers is a little bit funnier. Dan O: Okay, I'll give that to you. Tykus: He does have the, he does do the sheet over his head, but that's Dan O: Yeah. Tykus: that's sort of his one laugh. Dan O: Who who is the better showman? We just talked a lot about like Michael being, but like Shrek does so many things in Shrek one that you're like, this guy's jumping off of wrestling ropes. Do you know Tykus: That's true. Dan O: what I'm like he has his own who who's more of the showman? Tykus: I'd say I'd have to give it to Michael because I'd say he does more with less. Dan O: Yeah, that's great. That's great. Tykus: He's just in a small town in Illinois, putting on incredible feats. Shrek is in a Dan O: Yeah. Tykus: fantasy world. He's got a dragon he can play off of, a talking donkey, a princess. This guy, he's just, he's got so many more resources. Dan O: Yeah. Yeah. That I totally agree. Okay. who who's stronger? Tykus: What's the heaviest thing Shrek lifts, Fiona? Dan O: come on. Come on. Tykus: Other than Fiona, what does he lift in the movie? Dan O: I he lifts like nine knights with armor. Like Tykus: Nine Knights with armor? Dan O: easily. He's just picking these guys up and chucking them like nothing. Tykus: How heavy is a gravestone? That was a pretty heavy gravestone. Was that pure granite? Dan O: Is it heavier than a a full grown gentleman in metal? Tykus: Here's the thing dude, those nights, they were scrawny. If you look at them, that armor is filling in a lot, okay? Dan O: In comparison to who is picking them up, but that's still pretty heavy. Tykus: I get, nine men, weigh 50 pounds each. Dan O: So you s it sounds like you you're picking Michael. Tykus: I think it's Michael. Dan O: Okay. All right, all right. who do you think had a harder childhood? Tykus: Okay, hold on. Okay, so Michael seemingly had a pretty good and normal child. Dan O: Up until Tykus: Up until he got possessed by Satan. Dan O: Sure. Tykus: and murdered his sister at six years old. Then he Dan O: Yeah. Tykus: spent the rest of his life in mental facilities. under police custody. Shrek didn't know his dad, really, and was an ogre, so probably Shrek. Dan O: Probably Shrek. I totally agree. I think Shrek Tykus: Yeah. Dan O: had a harder childhood. Yeah. who do you think is grumpier? We're almost done here. But who do you think is a grumpier person? I do, I do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I totally agree. Yeah. Tykus: Michael's living his best life. This is what he wants to be doing, He's having fun with it? Dan O: Mm-hmm. who who has more layers? Tykus: probably Shrek. It's just two or three with Michael, I think. Dan O: It's just showmanship and killing. Tykus: Showmanship, killing, weird thing for teenage girls. Dan O: Okay. who do you think has killed more people? Tykus: Who do I think has killed more people? I think it's Michael. Dan O: Y do you think it's close? Tykus: Well, are we going, so this is the thing, there's a whole franchise of Halloween movies, there's five Shrek movies. Are we going Halloween 1978 versus Shrek one? Dan O: That's what this whole episode is, but I would say for this specific question, Tykus: Yeah. Dan O: what does your gut, heart, and brain tell you? Tykus: I think Michael. Dan O: You think Michael? Tykus: Yeah. Dan O: I think there's an argument to be made for Shrek, just in that he's made it to however old he is. He's middle-aged. Tykus: Right. Dan O: And and there are no intruders into the swamp almost ever. And I can only imagine like the ones that have found their way to his property. Tykus: Mm-hmm, but he's got a full-blown mob at the start of movie and he doesn't even touch him Dan O: Yeah, yeah, fair enough, but I I believe he would have harmed them. Tykus: I don't know about it, Dan. Dan O: Okay. This is the debate. Tykus: got a heart of gold. Dan O: This is it. I think the last one, I don't know why I wrote this, but who do you think showers more? Like who do you think bathes more often? Yeah, 'cause he has the swamp that he yeah, I don't think Michael Tykus: Yeah, he's got the mud, he's taking mud baths all the time. Dan O: I think Michael probably smells horrible. Tykus: Just don't worry. Dan O: Okay, so that's it. That was Mike versus Michael. Tykus: Yay! Dan O: Different enough, but I do think that this is a good segue into the who's who because we were directly comparing Shrek and Michael. Tykus: And this is my other problem, I talked about with the movies. Everyone in this movie, except for Michael and Dr. Loomis, are such flat characters. Dan O: Yeah. Tykus: Do you disagree? Dan O: Yes. Tykus: How? Dan O: you when you say flat, are you saying like one dimensional, predictable? Like what are you kind of saying? Tykus: There's no depth. I'm not emotionally invested in them. Dan O: Mm. Tykus: I don't want him to kill them, but that's just because I'm a good person. Dan O: Yeah, I guess. Tykus: I want, I want Lori, Lori? I Dan O: Lori. Tykus: want Lori to get better friends, cause she seems like a nice girl. Dan O: Yeah. She seems nice. Her friends don't. I mean they've got they've got their own layers. Like they all kind of serve a purpose. Maybe Tykus: Yeah, that's what they feel like. They feel like they were created to serve a purpose in a horror movie and not that they're real people. Dan O: And I mean then that's like perfectly executed in in my opinion then. Like if that's what they were written for. Tykus: We live in a day and age of horror movies, Dan. Obsession just came out. I've come to expect more from a horror movie. Dan O: We're getting into a thing here. And if we ever do the movie Rocky, I'm gonna repeat this again. But I think what you're Yeah, Tykus: when we do the movie Rocky. Dan O: I guess. So, if Rocky isn't the first boxing movie that you've seen, it's probably the worst boxing movie you've seen. That's my take on Rocky. But it sounds like what you're saying about this scary movie specifically is that because it's 1978, so maybe it feels like all these tropes are played out. It feels kind of predictable, but it did it was kind of a trailblazer a movie. Tykus: Right, I didn't hate everything about this movie. Like I said, the opening scene is incredible. Dan O: Mm-hmm. Tykus: A lot of the way it uses darkness, I find captivating. Like I said, Dr. Loomis is a really great character and the performance given is captivating. Dan O: Mm-hmm. Tykus: But everything else around that stuff, to me, really lets it down. Dan O: Well the setting is pretty small. It's a small town. There it's pretty much like Tykus: I don't have any problem with that. Dan O: it's pretty much like one block. So I'm just like you know, you're in a really small world. You're in a bubble of a world. Tykus: Yeah, when you're in that small and that bubbly of a world, you need the other stuff in it to feel alive. Dan O: Everything everything felt alive. It felt like this town was really close and like friendly with each other up until this night they kind of changed everything. That's just like that I mean I think am feeling what they intended. Tykus: They don't, not, they hate teenagers. Dan O: Yeah. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I guess Tykus: Lori's begging for help and they're like, it's Halloween night. Obviously she's just trying to scare us. Dan O: Mm-hmm. It maybe maybe the better way to say it is that this is an everybody knows everybody type of town. Tykus: Yeah, it's a small town. So they should know Lori and they should know she's not that kind of kid. Dan O: so maybe these people are are a little more layered than we thought, 'cause we're getting totally different reads on them. You're like, they should do this, they should. Tykus: I'd say the town itself feels real, but again, the primary characters they choose to spend the most time with in this movie, I do not find engaging. Dan O: way less engaging than supporting characters in Shrek One. Tykus: Absolutely! You got Pinocchio, you got Genji, you got Lord Farquaad, you got the dragon! Dan O: Yeah. I honestly Tykus: You got the load here. Dan O: I don't see much of a difference of those supporting characters and these ones. Cause they the like Tykus: They never make you laugh once, Dan. Dan O: That's true. This is this is like a thing I'll always give to Shrek. Yeah. Tykus: I'm shocked you loved this movie, Dan, because do you laugh at any point in this movie? Dan O: Now now, yes I do. I laugh I laugh every time Michael like shows up and it's just this like loud I'll put the sound here. Yeah. Tykus: The soundtrack track, incredible, iconic. Dan O: Ten out of ten. Tykus: 10 out of 10 soundtrack. Dan O: Yeah. Tykus: Rest of the movie does not. I can only tell you my experience of watching it, Dan. Dan O: Mm-hmm. Look, this town is full of idiots. I'll give you that. They're probably some of the dumbest people that have ever been in a town. You have like a sheriff who is taking orders from a doctor he met like forty-five minutes ago. Tykus: Pretty convincing though. Dan O: Yeah, all these characters are so flawed and that allows all of this to happen. It shows me that like they're human, but it's also pretty revealing of the time and like how trustworthy people were of each other. So many doors on the night of Halloween are just unlocked and you can walk right in. People have their windows unlocked. All of these kind of elements that you're calling flat, to me, they do feel intentional and they were all setting the stage for this guy. And to me, all that payoff does pay off. It happens. So maybe, maybe one dimensional, but like for the greater purpose of just this movie and letting this psycho run free, I think they're doing it. Tykus: Sorry, I was thinking about how cool it would have been to have a scene where the sheriff realizes his daughter was killed. Dan O: That would have been so cool. That would have been awesome, dude. Yeah. Yeah, Tykus: That would have been incredible. That would have been sick, dude. Dan O: that would have been so cool. Tykus: Yes, I don't know what you said. Dan O: okay. Okay. Well that's o that's fine. should we we haven't like talked about like specific beats of this movie. Are there any scenes that stood out to you? Tykus: Like I said, the opening scene, Dan O: Yeah. Tykus: the, I liked. I liked when Dr. Loomis gets scared so he pulls out his gun and he's like, I have a permit. Which also, it's Dan O: Great, great. Tykus: 1978, there's no way he needed that. Dan O: Yeah, yeah. Hey, that's true, that's a point. Tykus: I liked when it's 1978 in Illinois. He didn't need, small town Illinois, he didn't need that. Dan O: Yeah. Tykus: I liked that Michael ate a dog. I like when Dr. Loomis scared those kids pretending he was Michael. Dan O: Okay. There's some laughs in this movie. There are. And the more you watch it, the more laughs there are. I just gotta say that. Tykus: I don't know if there laughs so much as slightly amusing. A brief moment of levity perhaps, but not quite laughter. Dan O: Mm. Tykus: I thought it was funny how Laurie kept killing Michael and then immediately dropping the knife. Dan O: Yeah, that's right. Tykus: That was really funny to me. Dan O: She's a dummy. what was the worst scene in this movie to you? Tykus: The worst scene in this movie was... Just when, Annie is in the house. I meant to ask you this earlier, Dan. You've spilled liquids on yourself before, is this correct? Dan O: I believe so. Tykus: When you accidentally spill liquid on yourself, is your immediate reaction to take everything off except your underwear and go throw it in the washer? Dan O: Is that abnormal? Tykus: I think I was confused when that was Annie's reaction. Dan O: Okay. Okay. Okay. You're talking about another laugh in this movie, I'm just saying. Cause yeah, that is super goofy that she did that. Tykus: It's utterly ridiculous. Dan O: Yes. Yeah. no when I when I do I mean it's funny to spill something on your shirt and then take your pants off. That's the silliest part to Tykus: Yeah! Dan O: me. But I kinda get it. Tykus: But to answer your question, everything from that point after until she actually gets killed, I think is the worst part of the movie. Cause that's like the period of time when I like had had enough. I was like either Dan O: Interesting. Tykus: do something or stop trying to make me scared that something's gonna happen. Dan O: So you just didn't like the whole point of this movie. 'cause that is the point. Tykus: Yeah, basically. Dan O: Okay. Okay. Tykus: the point of this movie is to be as suspenseful with no payoff for as long as possible. And apparently for most people, it doesn't overdo it. For me, it found the limit and it went well over it. Dan O: I don't know if I'll keep this in or not, but how different is this movie i in the in that respect from good, bad and the ugly? Tykus: Good Night in the Adelaide, there's different fights, there's different narrow escapes, there's tons of stuff happening. People are dying throughout the movie. It's very different. It's the only thing that's suspenseful is just are they gonna find the gold or not? But there's plenty of stuff in between here and there. The only point in this movie is, who's Michael gonna kill, when's it gonna happen? And there's just the majority of the movie is answering none of those questions. Dan O: I I bring up good, bad and ugly because for three hours we're like, are they going to find the gold? And who who's gonna find it? Tykus: Are they gonna find the gold? Who's gonna find it? Is everyone gonna be alive when it happens? Are they all gonna make it? Are they gonna be together? Are they gonna be separated? Dan O: Yeah. Same so same Tykus: And it's con- Dan O: set of questions for this movie, who's gonna die, who's gonna stay alive, is Michael going to die? Who is he getting next? Tykus: but I don't care about. Dan O: huh. Okay. Okay. Who is the main character of this movie to you? Tykus: I don't care about the main character of this movie. Michael. Dan O: Not Laurie. Tykus: Definitely not Laurie. It's Michael or Dr. Loomis. Dan O: I think I think it's Michael. In in that respect, then every other character is a supporting character. Tykus: Yeah. Dan O: And they are all supporting this story that is being told that is an actual showman Tykus: I yeah dude if I rewatch the movie realizing it's just a movie about a flan a very theatrical murderer then maybe I'll appreciate it more but that's not what the movie is presented as going in Dan O: Okay. But alright, alright. I'll get stuck on this point probably until this episode's done. So I can move on a little bit. Tykus: I will say that's the, this movie tries, it does something Shrek 1 cannot and does not and refuses to do, and that it builds suspense. Dan O: Okay. Tykus: It just, I mean, it's so. Dan O: Interesting. Very interesting. Very interesting. Tykus: You gotta, you can stretch a wire out and build tension for a really long time, but eventually you have to cut it yourself or it's gonna snap on its own. And it snapped on its own for me before the movie decided it wanted to cut it. Dan O: All right. I I hear you. I hear what you're saying. I don't know that I'll sway your opinion on this or not. Tykus: I don't think you, you've been trying really hard. Dan O: I don't think so, yeah, I don't think so. But this does this does remind me we need to finish who's who. Tykus: Nobody's nobody. Nobody's anybody. Dan O: No no no we we have to. Even if even if the comparison is flimsy. Yeah, yeah. Tykus: Is Dr. Loomis Shrek? Dan O: I think Doctor Loomis is donkey. I think so because our guy here, he's the one like going out on this thing and doing it. And Loomis seemingly wants to tag along, if not just to be there to stop it, but like tag along. Tykus: following him. Dan O: Yeah. And he doesn't want that to happen. Tykus: I guess, yeah that works. Yeah that Dan O: So like I mean, I'm grasping it. Tykus: works I guess. Dan O: Okay. Okay. So we got two of Who and then Fiona. Who is it? Tykus: don't, I don't, there's no equivalency. Dan O: I think it's Lori. Tykus: It's not Lori. Dan O: I think it is. She needs rescuing. Tykus: from Donkey? Shrek's the one trying to kill Lori? Dan O: She needs rescuing from Shrek. Yeah, yeah. Tykus: Fantastic dude, we solved it. Dan O: who else? Who else? Cause you have to you have to do it. No no no that's not it. Tykus: Nobody's anybody, Dan, that's my point. We found the one movie where nobody's anybody. Dan O: I decline. I fully decline. Tykus: It's a great movie, Dan, 10 out of 10. It's better than Shrek 1. Dan O: I think Lori is Fiona. Tykus: Fine, Lori's Fiona. Dan O: Okay, okay, okay. We'll wrap this up. We'll wrap this up. 'Cause I can tell I'm I'm poking a little bit. Let's let's let's figure out a far quad and then maybe get to vertex. Tykus: Farquaad's the sheriff. Dan O: Why is he the sheriff? Tykus: Because she's the only one left. Dan O: huh, okay. Tykus: Farquaad's A &E, cause... She's bad at taking care of the people charged under her. She just pawns the little girl off on Lori when she's supposed to be watching him. Dan O: How about this? How about is Michael Myers Farquad? Is Luma's Shrek? Is Lori Fiona? And then Tykus: and the little boy is donkey. Dan O: W the little boy at the beginning? Tykus: That's it. The little boy, no, not six year old Michael. Dan O: Yeah. Tykus: The little boy Laurie's taken care of, the astronaut cowboy or whatever. He's donkey. Yeah, Dan O: He's donkey 'cause he wants to tag along and he needs safety. Yeah. Tykus: and he's always, he's super energetic and he's flamboyant. He talks a lot. Dan O: I think we nailed it. I think we got it. Yeah. the the boyfriend that got pinned to the wall in the kitchen is Gingerbread Man. And now we can move on. Okay. Tykus: Yeah. Dan, what's your final rating on this movie? Dan O: All right, I'll get into it. I I think this is the best movie that we've seen so far. I think this is the best movie we've seen so far on this podcast. Tykus: Don't do it. Don't do it, Dan. Not like this. Dan O: How how else? Tykus: Not like this, Dan. Dan O: Look, look, look. I I love Shrek as much as the next one. And you can't see this that well. It's so funny. They're like totally cut off. Tykus: Well, it's a green... Dan O: Okay. This is the best movie that we have reviewed so far. Do you agree? All right, all right. Fair enough. Tykus: Uh-huh. Not even kind of. This is the worst movie except for Ford versus Ferrari. Actually, I think I'm... Dan O: I've already blacked that out. Okay. Alright, let me wrap it up. I'll wrap it up quickly here. I think it's the best movie that we've seen so far. I think it like Shrek One has paved the way for so many other movies to come in and basically rip it off. And now when you go back and watch it, you're like I feel like I've seen this a thousand times already. You have, because it's been ripped off a thousand times, because it's that good. this movie is not dissimilar to the Beatles in that way. Go back and listen to the Beatles and you're like, these riffs, these choruses. I've heard this a million times, and it's the same thing. Everybody's going to the the start of it all, and they're like, How do I replicate that? I think it's it's a cool story about a guy from Illinois. Who probably was a Bulls fan. I just want to throw that in there. Cause Jordan's drafted maybe like a year right after or before this happened. So I think about that a lot. And then on a very serious note, too, like cinematography and music, 10 out of 10. I think you said it well, like the way that this movie and the director specifically uses darkness. They don't rely on a ton of special effects because really this is just the story about an unkillable evil, and you never know when he's coming. Scary enough for somebody in 1978 to feel like this can easily happen in real life. Like somebody could just do that, and that's terrifying. So more grounded in reality. It's a movie about like my favorite holiday, too. I love Halloween. really one of the most original horror movies ever made. I would give it I wanna say this movie is better than Shrek One. And that's it. Tykus: It's... Dan. Okay, sorry. That's unbelievable. what's your rating? Dan O: This is I I because of the boundaries of our rating system, I have to give it a ten out of ten. Tykus: You can give it a nine out of 10, but it edges Shrek 1. Dan O: Maybe let's do that because there are a couple of things that I would change about this movie. Very small things. Like, we didn't even talk about the fact that Michael Myers is such a good driver out of nowhere. Like it's the most hilarious thing in the world that he drives and obeys the laws of traffic. There's a shot of like Loomis in the foreground, and you see Michael Myers driving in the back. literally zoom in on this because you can see him checking both ways before he crosses. he's mindful. He's such a good driver and there's no explanation. So if I were writing this movie, I would just say maybe this is how we did it. And there's a line of Loomis that's like, did somebody teach him how to drive? Exactly. Tykus: He was doing pretty well last night. Dan O: Yeah, somebody must have been teaching him. Like, fair, fair enough. Maybe that's the explanation, but okay, I'd say it edges Shrek one in that way. Tykus: Nice, Dan. This is not a very good movie. I can see how some people would like it, but it's not very good. It's a five out of 10, and it's way worse than Trek 1. Dan O: There it is. This this is the first movie that I've thought is better than Shrek 1 in this whole run. Yeah. Yeah. Tykus: Yeah, I know. I know. That's what's disappointing. Dan O: Well there it is. we did it. We did the impossible and we decided who Farquad was in Halloween one. Tykus: They said it couldn't be done, Dan, and by they I mean me. Dan O: That's true, you did say that a lot. but yeah, that's it. Okay, let's let's wrap it Tykus: Also, Dan O: up. Tykus: Happy Halloween! Dan O: Yeah, that's true. Happy Halloween to everybody. This is my costume. Tykus: Beautiful, Any final words or a quote from the movie you'd like to... Dan O: Yeah, my quote from the movie is this, and I'll put subtitles up because it's not actually words being spoken, but heavy breathing. all right, do you wanna do you wanna end it here? Do you wanna take us out of this, please? Tykus: Yeah, if I was, I was just gonna say really quickly Dan O: Please. Tykus: before, I know a lot of people love this movie. I don't want any hate, but to everybody who does love this movie, get out of the swamp!