Dan O: hey, ignore the background that you might have seen behind me for the last 19 minutes. Ignore it. Pretend it wasn't there or pretend it was the one that it is now. Because that's where we're at. okay. We talked about why we picked this movie. We talked about Trek One. I think it's time f now that we're like thirty minutes in for the opening segment. Tykus: Yes, Dan. to I Dan O: All right. Tykus: I think this might end up being an all-timer. We got Charles here. I think I think this is gonna be good, Dan. this week's opening segment is titled Reacting to a Random Review of Shrek One. Dan O: Yes. Tykus: today's review is from IMDB. It was written by Raven X2. It is from August 13th, 2001, a month after Shrek's release. It is one star out of ten. It is titled Dan O: Come on ten stars. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Wow. Tykus: It is titled Did I Miss Something in Viewing Shrek? Gentlemen, are we ready? Dan O: I'm ready. Let's tear it apart, please. Tykus: There was little to no story, and what was presented as a story in the advertisements was done away with at the very beginning of the film. I doubt that Shrek will hold this high of a rating for a long time. Look how fast it took Phantom Menace to fall down the charts. In terms of animation, I l it looked nice, but sheesh, this movie was just another excuse to take cheap shots at Disney. And while most Disney animated films have morals, There was no redeeming value in this movie at all. The moral of the story was what? It's okay to be ugly, just not short. The characters were all pretty much annoying, and at the end of the movie, which was where the princess transforms, it's pretty predictable, as I was thinking to myself as the smoke covered her body. Okay, so she's gonna change into an ogre. I'm way ahead of you guys. It's a direct cop-out of the Beauty and the Beast story we all know. I think it would have been a heck of a lot better had she transformed into her female human self and fell in love with the ogre. At least that way it would have presented a message. Only message I found here is Peter Katzenberg hates Disney, and well he can suck my tape of Toy Story, a film that still extin. Seeds every three D animated film ever made. Thirty nine people found that review helpful. Dan O: is that right? man. I don't even know where to start. ten star it it's a one to Tykus: Mm-hmm. Dan O: ten scale. If you're doing stars, it's only five. I think that's my first critique. But otherwise I'd give that review Tykus: Or it's just the okay. Dan O: a nine out ten. Tykus: Charles, d did you agree with anything in there? Charles Wurtele the 2rd: No. I mean Dan O: Yeah. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: they're Tykus: I think my Charles Wurtele the 2rd: They're looking at who wrote that? The Grinch? Tykus: At first they were like, there's no morals in here, it's a deplorable film. And then at the end he Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Ha ha ha. Tykus: at the end they go, Jeffrey Peter Katzenberg, which isn't even his name, his name's Jeffrey Dan O: Mm-hmm. Tykus: Katzenberg. He sa Peter Katzenberg hates Disney and well he can suck my tape of Toy Story. Dan O: Crazy. Tykus: He's like, where's the moral? Suck my tape of toy story. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: What? Tykus: Also another highlight for me, the moral of the story was what? It's okay to be ugly, just not short? Dan O: Yeah, I don't know how you get there. I don't understand. It w like Charles Wurtele the 2rd: They do make fun of Farquad for being short. Tykus: They do. I think it's primarily though Dan O: Yeah, that's not why he's unlikable. Tykus: because Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Yeah that Tykus: he's also evil. Dan O: Yes, it's mostly the evil thing to me. Tykus: And so they pick on him for being short. Dan O: Yeah, and it's fine to Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Yeah. Dan O: be short. you can still be king if you're short. Tykus: I think the difference is they Dan O: Where are my short kings at? Tykus: crack jokes about Farquad being short, but they try to murder Shrek for being ugly. Dan O: Hmm. That's so true. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Yeah. Tykus: Also, did you guys see the ending coming? Dan O: No. Tykus: The first time you watched Shrek, did you think, she's gonna be an ogre? Dan O: No, no, no, not at all. That's not even no I knew they would end up together, but I didn't know she was an ogre. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Yeah, I don't really remember thinking that either. Dan O: Ha ha ha. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: honestly I was probably four. I probably wasn't thinking anything. Dan O: Mm-hmm. Tykus: Yeah, that's true. Also, Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Ha ha ha. Tykus: I feel like it'd be a much more difficult movie to swallow if at the end a human woman married an ogre. Dan O: That's more upsetting. Tykus: That's way more upsetting. Dan O: That's very true, yeah. no one d was he upset about a donkey marrying a dragon? Tykus: Didn't come up Dan O: Never came up. It's just the cross pollination of human and ogres that he got upset about. Tykus: He was for that. Dan O: He liked it. Okay, okay, okay. Tykus: He wanted the human to be with the ogre. He was disappointed when two ogres wound up together. Dan O: Yeah, so this guy's a sicko man. I don't know who this guy is, but he's sick. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Yeah, it's Tykus: Yeah. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Did it did it give a name on the on the review? Tykus: Raven X two. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Raven next to Dan O: let's read one of his reviews every episode from here on out. Tykus: Okay, I don't Okay. I l that's fantastic. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Yeah, he's got the bird of death as his name. Dan O: That's so true. Okay, this guy. Tykus: He has some other reviews. Some of them are positive. He has a total of seven reviews. Dan O: Okay. All right. Next seven episodes we're reading Tykus: I I would just like to end on this. Phantom Menace's IMDB rating as of twenty twenty six is six point five and Shrek's IMDB rating is seven point nine. Dan O: wow. Okay. Tykus: So that take aged milk. Dan O: So you're you're pretty close with IMDB with an eight point five. Okay. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Ha Tykus: Yeah. Yeah, I I'm better than you. Dan O: You are D B. All right. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Ha ha ha. Dan O: Okay. Tykus: I'm D B Dan O: Thanks so much, man. Tykus: You're welcome. Dan O: That's really good. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Who's doing this thumbs up? Who's doing that? I Tykus: Ha ha ha. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: keep seeing that. I'm not doing that. Stop doing Dan O: Mm-hmm. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: I can't wait. Tykus: Is this better? Dan O: Yeah. We we do the thumbs up instead of laughing. Tykus: Mainly dance. Dan O: We don't we don't like laughing on this one. Tykus: We like our guests to feel comfortable and some of people have inputted, not on the podcast obviously, but in life in general, have given the input that it's unsettling that Dan never laughs, even if he thinks something's Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Ha ha ha. Tykus: funny. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: yeah, there we go. Wait, do another one? Tykus: So that's just to help you feel a little safer. Dan O: Yes. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Thank you. I felt very safe now. Dan O: Okay. what can we get into the movie? Can we get there will be Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Yeah. Dan O: blood? Tykus: Yeah, there's one thing we have to do real quick. I don't know if Charles is familiar with this 'cause he doesn't seem to be very Dan O: that's so true. Tykus: familiar with the podcast. So we might undo that safe feeling real quick for a second. Dan O: Okay, okay, okay, okay. Alright. Yeah, let's let's we're gonna rock your boat a little bit with this, Charles. if you have anything you need to do, like file taxes, do Christmas shopping, now is probably the time because it is time for Tychus' rapid recap. Tykus: So Daniel Plainview is an oil prospector slash tycoon and he buys up some land in this town and he has a son that he kinda loves probably. And and then and then and then he's building up this new oil industry in this town. He's bought up all the land from all the people in town and he's slowly building up this oil oil tycoon industry for himself. However, there's a preacher in this town that he's feuding with, and he doesn't like that the preacher has power because he wants all the power. So they feud over a bunch of different stuff and they're constantly butting heads. And then his son is in an accident because the oil had a lot of gas and it shot him up in the air and made him deaf. And then and then he has this Daniel Daniel's brother shows up, his long-lost brother. He has a brother, that's so cool. He always wanted a brother, and now he has a brother, and then his son tries to kill his brother. So he sends his son away to deaf school, and then he and his brother start hanging out and being friends and whatever. And then they go to the ocean, and then Daniel finds out that his brother was lying to him and he's not his brother, so he kills him. And then he s and then the the preacher says, If you want all the land so you can do all the stuff you want to do, you have to come to my church and I have to slap you a bunch and make you say that you're a sinner and and everything. So then Daniel gets embarrassed by him and and he's up there and then he's like, I've abandoned my boy, I've abandoned my child and so he brings him back and then and then we flash forward twenty years and Daniel's a raging alcoholic but a massive oil tycoon and his son is like I'm gonna go to Mexico with my wife and we're gonna start our own oil thing and then Daniel's like you're not my son and you actually aren't my son actually though. I did raise you, but you're not my son and I don't care about you anymore because you are my competition. And then the preacher that he was feuding with all those years ago comes back and Daniel's like, Hey, what's up, man? I'm gonna drink your milkshake and then I'm gonna kill you And so he kills him and that's the movie. Dan O: Couldn't have said it better myself. I don't think it I mean, hmm, what did you I don't think you missed anything, huh? No. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Yeah, you got a pretty good Dan O: Yeah. I think you got it. I think you got it. You did you talk about bandy? I don't think you bandied. That's okay. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Yeah. Yeah. Tykus: I re I referenced him b not by name. Dan O: Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. well there it is. I mean, that's the movie. The spare we watched two and a half hours of it, so you don't have to. I do wanna say, like off the top two, I think it's interesting that there are two main cast members who just both use their first real name or like their real name of some sort. it's Tykus: Yeah. Dan O: Kinda it's either lazy writing or coincidence, but I would probably choose lazy writing that Daniel Day Lewis's character is named Daniel. And then the preacher Tykus: Yeah, 'cause if there's one thing yeah, is named Paul. Dan O: good luck with that stage name, Paul Dano. What were you gonna say, Tychus? Tykus: Yeah, if there's one way people describe Paul Thomas Anderson's screenwriting, it is lazy. Dan O: Ha. yeah, well Tykus: I think we should give Chuck the honors. Dan O: let's do it, yeah. Charles, what what did you think about this movie when you watched it? Charles Wurtele the 2rd: I loved it. I liked the I think both movies Shrek and There Will Be Blood both had very like top tier soundtracks. Dan O: Wow, okay, okay. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Do you guys think this? Dan O: Hmm. Tykus: obviously for Shrek One. Dan O: Mm-hmm. Tykus: We've discussed this. The score? Hmm. Obviously you have the big oil derrick on fire scene. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: That that's what I'm just the unsettling music at the beginning too, especially. I don't know what instrument that is, but my god. Tykus: Yeah, the opening scene does give a very tense and foreboding feel simply because of the soundtrack. So it is executed pretty well. I don't know if it's necessarily recognizable. Dan O: Yeah. I Tykus: Though Dan O: think it fits the mood. Yeah, that's probably it though. With with Shrek One, because you have Smashmouth and other and and lesser bands, mostly Smashmouth, you could just point out to it and be like, I love that song. I every sound in this movie and There Will Be Blood was super fitting. Yeah, I don't know if I would remember it, but yeah, Tykus: Yeah. I Dan O: like every scene. Tykus: I'd say it's very effective, but it's not necessarily iconic. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Mm. Yeah. Dan O: Hm, mm. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: I do associate like whenever I hear All Star, I think a Shrek. But I mean if I hear Dan O: How could you not? Charles Wurtele the 2rd: a an eerie, what is it, a violin or something, I mean I don't think it there will be blood. Dan O: Yeah, if you hear the sound of like a really heavy metal pipe or bucket decapitates somebody, what movie do you think of? Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Maybe I don't know. Dan O: All right. Tykus: This Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Ha ha ha ha. Tykus: They do run that back, by the way. Dan O: What do you mean? Tykus: They do that twice. Dan O: They do, they do. Tykus: I think I think it's almost just to try and give you a fake out of where the blood will be. Dan O: Ha ha ha. Tykus: Right on at the beginning of the movie, Paul Thomas Anderson gives you some blood, so you're like, I guess okay, that answers my question. Dan O: And there it was. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: There it is. Dan O: He wasn't lying. Tykus: And then he gives you some bonus blood and you're like, wow, extra blood, thank you very much. Really living up to the title. And then he gives you two unexpected bloods and you're like, Whoa, there was so much blood. Dan O: Those yeah, what was your favorite blood, Charles? Charles Wurtele the 2rd: I think probably when Eli was Yeah, when you're when that happened. Tykus: Yeah. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: I think that's just what it was like that's the blood they were talking about. Tykus: Yeah, the title Dan O: Tychus, what did you say? Tykus: the title is confusing. Dan O: Uh-huh. Tykus: Cause obviously there's blood in this movie. But who's saying that there will be blood? Is that a an omniscient narrator letting us know? Is that Paul Thomas Anderson's philosophical statement about Charles Wurtele the 2rd: I think it could have been a lot of things. Like I think blood could be Tykus: Greed and power. Dan O: Yeah. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: it could be referencing oil, could be referencing actual blood. Could be referencing Dan O: Interesting. Tykus: Mm. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: blood money, I don't know. Dan O: Yeah, okay. I think I know maybe we work backwards and it's like I know who didn't say it, and that's probably HW. Tykus: Probably not. That's a good point. Dan O: Yeah, I I don't know. the whole the deeper part of this whole movie to me is it's just about greed and capitalism. Tykus: I this is kind of getting into what my main thought was. Dan O: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Tykus: Is I think this movie shows two different ways, t two different people going two different ways in the same pursuit of power and control. Like we have we have Daniel Plainview, who's choosing money. in the capitalist way of trying to dominate financially and with industry to rise to the top and have power and control over everyone. And then we have Elijah who's trying to go the religious manipulation route, where he makes himself next to God and can control people through faith and religion. And Dan O: Hm. Tykus: we see what happens when those two people intersect And I feel like the title is when you have those two types of people intercepting and combating, it can only end one way and there will be blood. Dan O: Wow. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Yeah. Dan O: You're kinda blowing my mind. Yeah. I didn't even think about that. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: They b they both use very similar tactics too. Like how Daniel has like his son with him and he's like, I'm using you for a sweet face when he does his business meetings and Eli kinda uses that. His sweet face is religion. And that's what he uses to bring Dan O: Mm. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: people in. I feel like they do collide a lot. Yeah, that's a good point though. Wow. Dan O: That's good. Interesting. Tykus: That I this is the second time I watched the movie. This is the only time I thought that. Dan O: I guess I had always I just Tykus: First time I was deeply confused. Dan O: thought of Eli's character as Ernest the whole time. I didn't ever think he was tr Tykus: You thought he was earnest. Dan O: he like Ernest, albeit ridiculous at certain times, but he he seemed like because like he didn't get to bless the well when they first started drilling, and then a whole bunch of bad Tykus: Hm. Dan O: stuff starts happening. Tykus: Okay. Dan O: S and then he goes the first question he asked at the town meeting is like, well, there's there's gonna is there gonna be a road to church? he's asking all these things that seem earnest and genuine. And because of all of the bad stuff that starts happening after he doesn't bless the well, I'm like, I yeah, maybe th I'm tr I'm supposed to believe that this character is genuine. that's kind of how I was seeing it. Tykus: is that what you thought, Charles? Charles Wurtele the 2rd: I think in my first watch I did. it it kinda does all spiral down after he doesn't get to bless the well. But I mean I think his true intentions like get revealed. especially in the later part of the movie where he's traveling all over the country, you know, and like that's what he wanted to do. and they both had these big, big ambitions. That I guess. they were equally hungry for. And especially like when when he like fights his dad at that table scene for like giving up the land. it's clear that he like wanted more more money out of this, Like he wanted to start his own wells or whatever. He c he wanted to do he wanted a bigger church. And I didn't really I think it he his in my second watch it's clear like his his fatade or whatever kinda kinda dissipates the the farther we get into the movie. Tykus: His what? Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Is facade what is what's the word? Tykus: Yeah, that's it. Dan O: I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. Tykus: I know what he's saying too, he's just not saying it right. Dan O: Is hey, we make people feel safe here. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Okay. Tykus: Cause someone says that. You're always presented with a dilemma when someone says that though. It's like, do you correct Dan O: And and Tykus: them and make them feel awful? Charles Wurtele the 2rd: No, just you can just say it. Tykus: it's pronounced facade. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Fassar okay. Dan O: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Tykus: I'm sorry, it just took me a second 'cause you said Ficade and you kept talking and I was trying to listen, but then I was like, Let's backtrack a second. Dan O: It's fair. It's fair. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: my gosh. Tykus: I'm so sorry. I'm sorry. I just I thought of I'm sorry. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: This happens a lot. Tykus: I know, I thought of another thing that you're very you discuss very publicly. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Yeah. Dan O: What happens a lot? Charles Wurtele the 2rd: I'm like used to reading words and I don't like I don't know, I don't like I think Dan O: mm-hmm. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: the word that I was pronouncing wrong was epitome. I was pronouncing it like epitome. Cause like when you read it it looks like that. Tykus: and facade looks like facade. You're not Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Yeah. Dan O: It does? Tykus: wrong. Dan O: It tot it's like arcade. It's the same sort of cade ending. Okay. Tykus: I think Charles might be right and everyone else is wrong. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: No, I'm definitely wrong. I'm wrong about a lot. Tykus: And this is how we know Charles isn't like Daniel or Elijah, 'cause I gave him the opportunity to be the only person in the world who's right, and he immediately shot it down. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: No, I'm like a hundred percent of the time I'm wrong. Dan O: But okay, so you were you were saying Paul is putting up the fake aid. Tykus: So I think I also have to correct Dan real quick. And you might not have got this because it's disguised really well and hard to pick up on. so Paul Dano played two characters. Dan O: Mm-hmm. Tykus: The first one at the beginning of the movie is Paul, and then the one for the majority of the movie is Elijah. Also, you might have just been referring to Paul Dano. Dan O: Ha ha ha. Tykus: I'm realizing now. Dan O: no, you bring up a good point. Yeah. No, I I call him Eli, Elijah, yeah, yeah, yeah, same. It the point that I wanted to bring up, or I guess the question was more like kinda conspiracy. 'Cause at any point that I can't remember if we ever saw the twin brothers on screen at the same time. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: No. Dan O: No, right? Tykus: Yeah. Dan O: So who's to say Eli is not just presenting himself as a twin brother to go and get this oilman to his property so that he can reap the rewards? Is this anything? Is this does this have layers? Tykus: What I think no. Because Paul is very calculated and he refuses to allow Daniel to cheat him or manipulate him in any way. He's sort of an equal to Daniel plain view in that way. Dan O: Mm-hmm. Tykus: And Elijah is constantly getting duped. Dan O: He also was so stubborn about getting the money that he's owed. And then he kept adding with interest. So he was also money hungry. Money motivated. welcome back. Welcome to Raw and Onions. Tykus: Well, yeah, I don't think so, but you could believe that if you want to. Dan O: I don't believe it. I just had to ask. I had to ask. Tykus: Yeah, the first time I watched this movie Charles Wurtele the 2rd: I have Tykus: I didn't realize that there were twins. Dan O: Mm. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: But I feel like they make it clear at the end, when in the bowling LE scene when he's Tykus: Yeah, but it's Charles Wurtele the 2rd: he's like, I paid your brother ten thousand he lied about that number. It was five Dan O: Yeah, totally. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: hundred. But and like I think that makes it clear that there's two these are two separate people we're talking. Tykus: Right. But it is confusing when you have to wait two hours to get that confirmation. Yeah. Did you get Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Yeah. And you don't you don't see him any other time in the movie other than at the beginning. And he looks the exact same. They didn't do anything to his hair. W Dan O: Same guy. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: We both wear the same Tykus: Did you Charles Wurtele the 2rd: hair. We both wear the same clothes. Dan O: Same height. Tykus: Yeah. Did you guys know Charles Wurtele the 2rd: We talk the same. Tykus: that they weren't originally supposed to be okay. I keep interrupting. Dan O: Dude, your lag is it's good. It's really good. Yeah. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: I think I heard that. Tykus: It's crazy. It's incredible. no, but they weren't a Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Did they not did they just did they have another actor for Tykus: Originally, I'm gonna keep talking and then and then I'm just gonna wait for you guys to recognize that I'm talking. So I'm gonna go now. Originally, they had a different actor lined up to play Elijah, and they weren't gonna be twins, but then that actor fell through and like in the last few weeks leading up to production, they went to Paul Dano and was like, Can you play both roles? So he had very limited Dan O: Mm. Tykus: time to prepare, but he ended up having to play both Paul and Elijah because of that. And Quentin Tarantino is super mad about it. Dan O: Why is he mad? What does he care? Tykus: He hates Paul Dano. Dan O: Why? Tykus: I don't know if you've seen this. He thinks he's a terrible actor and he's publicly just gone after him for no reason. Dan O: What? That is strange. Okay. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: You didn't hear this was like this was big news. This shook the country. Dan O: Uh-huh. Tykus: Yeah, everyone was coming to Paul Dano's defense. Dan O: Why was Tarantino s what prompted it? Charles Wurtele the 2rd: think he said something like the this movie would have been on my perfect list, like perfect movie list if it wasn't for Paul Dano or something like that. Dan O: That's insane. Tykus: Yeah, it's crazy 'cause I'm pretty sure he's the only person that thinks Paul Dano's a bad actor. Dan O: okay, take him off the guest dream list. There's a dream guest list, that guy. Tykus: Yeah, that's a good callback. Dan O: Quentin. Yeah, to the first recording. who knows if that's still in. man. Tykus: But I was gonna say in circling back to our previous discussion, I feel like maybe it's 'cause of my background, but when I was watching Elijah the whole time, the entire time I was like, this guy's a shindler, a swindler, a crook, and he's not sincere at all. This is textbook religious manipulation and this is a f fake all the way around. he's he's not he's not real guys. Dan O: You knew that immediately? Tykus: Yeah, pretty much. Dan O: What g what gave it away? Tykus: He's not you can t I can tell, at least. He's not he's his primary concern is getting him it's his church. He's wants to get himself a church. He wants the money for his church to make himself look better and his church to look better. He wants all the congregates to be looking at him and think how wonderful he is and how he has all the power of God flowing through him and how he's able to cast out these evil spirits and how he's able to heal people. Dan O: Hm. Tykus: He doesn't want to point them to the Lord. He wants to point them to him. And the way he does that is by saying, the way you can view the Lord is through me. And you ca one scene is when he like casts out the spirit from the old woman. Right before that, he's like, I heard the Lord say, You'll do it in a whisper and not a shout. And then he starts whispering, get out spirit, and then the end of the scene, he's spitting out of his mouth, full volume, yelling at the top of his lungs, casting the demon out of the church, immediately n not even heeding his own teachings. And also it's a little buried, but HW tells Daniel that Mary's dad, Elijah's dad, Mary's sister, beats her when she doesn't pray. Dan O: Hmm. Tykus: And like Charles said, Elijah never confronts his dad about beating his little sister. He confronts him about giving up the land too easily. Dan O: Hm. You've totally swayed my opinion on this guy. Because I felt really bad for him, but now I'm like, this guy is a rotten egg. He's horrible. Tykus: Yeah, at the end he's gotten a ton of pa money and influence and he's been totally irresponsible with it. He's you can tell he's super flashy and all about he's wearing that gaudy cross that's just like what is that for? Dan O: Gotti is the perfect way to describe that. Tykus: Did Charles Wurtele the 2rd: It's for it's for it's his it's his sweet face, it's his image that he's putting Tykus: Yeah. Dan O: Mm. Mm-hmm. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: on. I'm next to the Lord. Don't be scared of me. Tykus: Mm-hmm. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: I wear a sick cross around my neck. Dan O: So he So okay, this is I I was about to drag Plainview through the mud here. But I get like who is the worst character then? If you're telling me this this Eli guy has been dishonest from the start, like who is more evil? Tykus: I was not expecting that question. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: W well one of them killed What three two people? Tykus: Accidental deaths, I guess you could say he's responsible for two. Direct murder, two. Dan O: Yeah. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: So I think I mean that kind of slides Dan O: Uh-huh. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: in Daniel's favor for the most evil Tykus: Yeah. However, Elijah's messing with people's souls. Dan O: And he lies Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Mm. Dan O: a lot. Tykus: And he does lie a lot. Dan O: It's in his name. Tykus: E e lie just. Dan O: Thanks for bringing that home, man. That's good. Tykus: All it takes to kill with Dan is a pun. It could be the worst pun anyone's ever conceived, but if it is a pun. Dan O: that gaudy comment, was that intentional? Tykus: Unintentional. Dan O: Beautiful, beautiful work. okay, so maybe Plainview is a worse guy, but by what two two bodies? Otherwise are they pretty even? Tykus: Ja Charles Wurtele the 2rd: I'd say in in method yeah. And the way they conduct Dan O: Mm-hmm. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: their their business and affect people, yeah. Dan O: Who who would you trust more? To save Charles Wurtele the 2rd: To do what? Dan O: your life? Tykus: To save my life physically? Dan O: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Tykus: Probably Elijah He'd just have some terrible stuff to say afterwards. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: If I had a bro if I had a broken leg or something. Dan O: If you had a broken leg, if you're in a in a well looking for silver and you broke your leg Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Well that happened to one of And and he's and he survived it. Dan O: Ha ha ha. Tykus: Thank you. Thank you for s yes. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: So I'd have to go with Daniel. I mean he would maybe carry me through the desert. No he wouldn't. Actually he yeah, he probably w Dan O: He might adopt you. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: he might adopt me. Dan O: Eli would never I j I just don't know if it's as cut and dry as as you know. Cause like Eli never raised a baby in the desert. Tykus: Right. That's the that's the other thing about when you first watch this movie is I think Daniel it is hard to get a grasp on how corrupt he is. How corrupted and corrupt he is. Cause he does put on a good front sometimes. when he's talking to the town about all the stuff he's gonna be bringing in. And you believe he's gonna be bringing that in with him. But it's all f simply to make himself too important in the community that he can do whatever he wants, I think. Dan O: So was it just a coincidence that a bunch of bad stuff started happening after the well didn't get blessed? Tykus: Yeah, that was gonna happen. I mean Dani Yeah, 'cause Daniel's bad. Yeah. Dan O: It was just always gonna happen 'cause Plainview is ruthless and sloppy. Okay. Right. All right. Tykus: Right. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: yeah, I think Dan O: Yeah, my Tykus: Plus Daniel blesses the well, Dan O: I guess. What were you gonna say, Charles, Wortley the second? Charles Wurtele the 2rd: I think Why it also another reason why Daniel clashes with Eli so much is Daniel sees himself as like actually kind of helping the town with his business, which like you kinda I mean he gives him jobs, you know, it boosts the economy and school Tykus: School. Bread. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: bigger churches, you know, and but Eli to him is helping people by no real, tangible metric. He's just like he's s he's watching that service where he's like healing the per the woman's arthritis and like you can just see the look on his face. He's like You're not doing anything. Dan O: Yeah, but she went with it, right? Like did she say Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Yeah. Dan O: her arthritis, as it was pronounced in the movie, was healed? Tykus: She we didn't get a chance to see that. Dan O: Mm. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Maybe if there would have been a scene where she's like I don't know. She's like, Yeah Dan O: She does a Rubik's Cube, yeah. Tykus: Yeah. She solves her Rubik's Charles Wurtele the 2rd: But I I think that's why he an a big reason of why he despises him so much is like I'm actually helping people and you're not. Dan O: Mm, hmm. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: If that makes sense. Dan O: Mm-hmm. Okay, okay. I don't want to make this whole thing where I defend plain view. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Ha ha. Tykus: Do it. Dan O: But but I gotta ask, I just gotta ask the questions. I don't because I think there are two ways to look at plain view. Because one, obviously, he's slimy from the start, he's dishonest. Somebody's like, what happened to the boy's mother? And he's like, She died in child labor or something. his fake brother is like, What happened to his mother? He's like, I don't want to talk about those things. Tykus: Well, to be fair, for all we know, his mother might have died in child labor. Dan O: Totally true. But why not say that later on then? Instead of diverting and saying I don't want to talk about those things. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: He's a KG. Dan O: I'm like, yeah. He's he's merciless. He it's like just greed has completely poisoned his soul at one point. He's like, I hate everybody. The more I get to know them, the more I hate people. On the other hand, this is like a story about the American dream. This is somebody starting up their own hustle. They get it going. It's fruitful enough that others can benefit from it, profit off of it. He's self-made. So what what do you is he great cause he made it? Is he nasty cause he lied about his orphan son? Tykus: I think it all comes down to the relationship with H G. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: HW. Dan O: HW Tykus: HW H GW H D A DW Dan O: George W. Tykus: HW. I think that's that's what you have to point to. And I wanted to ask you guys, 'cause we kinda see true colors at the end of the movie, but do you think at any point Daniel Plaineview r truly cared about HW or even loved him? Like How do you do you how do you think he f he felt that way about him at any point and then it changed or what changed? Or how what do you guys think about that? Dan O: Charles you go. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: I think he did care about him. I mean it's weird 'cause like he has all the signs of a narcissist, you know, and just like a complete psychopath. But then you see these scenes of where he's helping his son and like sitting with him and I mean I think the whole reason why he sent him away was to get him help, you know? And like he could have just sent him off today who knows where and just left him to suffer and be deaf and you know, the middle of nowhere. But he got him help, he got him a teacher and like helped him still kind of grow up. And like that's not someone who doesn't care at all, you know. Tykus: Does he Charles Wurtele the 2rd: But he is still go ahead. Tykus: does he care about him or does he care about not having his image? Of being a loving father. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: That also is probably could be it too. he still wants Tykus: 'Cause the one thing I'll s the one thing I'll say is he does send him away to school to get help, but we also see later on bringing help to him was an option. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Mm-hmm. Dan O: Yeah, but also that was a reaction of the kid trying to set their place on fire. It's like Tykus: That's true, yes. That's true. Dan O: to some extent you gotta discipline your children when they try to set your home on fire. Tykus: Right, but he was o he did Daniel didn't know this, but he was only trying to kill his fake brother 'cause he read the journal and realized so Daniel's son Dan O: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Tykus: taking after his father was just trying to kill another person. Dan O: 'Cause it's always easier that way if they just died. Tykus: It's so much easier when to just kill them. Dan O: Right, why not kill everybody? Tykus: They're begging for their life doesn't matter. Dan O: I think I I don't know. This is just reading between all of the lines. But like very early on, I think Plainview is on his way to New Mexico. or he's already in there. But whatever. he's on a train and baby H W Bush is like in a thing next to him. And he's looking down at him, and it feels very sincere. This is before we really know he has a drinking issue, before he really gets a taste of all the wealth that he'll have. And yeah, part of him is probably like, I can use this as a sweet face, but like why include a shot like that? I think it's like a story of I used to care about him, but then I got destroyed by money and alcohol. And now I'm just gonna say rotten stuff to cause I hate everybody. And that's his whole thing. He like hates them the more he gets to know him. So maybe, maybe. Tykus: Did you have anything else you wanted to say about it, Charles? Charles Wurtele the 2rd: I just think it's a law for somebody to bear a kid on the frontier, if he didn't love I mean, he would have let him he wouldn't have even picked him up in the first place, 'cause I mean the frontier is a unforgiving environment, you know. And to raise a kid alone, you know, without loving him is extremely hard. So I think he he does he does care. And it probably does get lost along the way, along his pursuit for, you know, wealth. But I think he's he does throughout the movie show feelings though. Like genuine, Tykus: Mm-hmm. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: sincere feelings. Tykus: The here's what I'll say. The scene that I think unlocked it for me is I think he he does love him and he does genuinely care about him and he does view him as his son. like you see the scene after he gets injured before he goes out to tender the fire, the way he's holding him and everything, and all those little scenes that you guys mentioned. but the scene that unlocked it for me is after the church scene where he's yelling, I've abandoned my boy. And you see him, you see him genuinely realize and believe I did abandon him. And he's like, I have to send for him to get brought back immediately. And you're like, he cares about him. But when when they're reunited, the way that the scene is framed, it's from a distance. They're so far away. They're so small. You see Daniel go out to greet him and greet his son. And the foreground of the scene Is the pipeline being built? And him Dan O: Mm. Tykus: and his son are super small in the background, and it's the big pipeline in the foreground. And I was like, that's what it is. He does genuinely care about his son, he's out there greeting him, but the business and the money will always be more important to him. It will always Dan O: That's Tykus: come before him. Dan O: That's totally it. There's n yeah, there's no other way to see it. Yeah. Tykus: And eventually that drives him to the point of Dan O: Denouncing? Tykus: denouncing what's the word disowning his son. Dan O: Disowning. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, okay. It wasn't the deaf thing. Tykus: I don't think it was primarily the deaf. Dan O: But it didn't help. Tykus: I don't think it helped when the man behind you with the bowling pin is who we're talking about. It does look like that. Dan O: It looks like he's hitting me. It kinda looks like he's about to attack me, yeah. Tykus: Yeah. What did you do? Are you the Dan O: okay. Tykus: are you the guy in Mexico that his son partnered with? Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Mm. Dan O: Why am I always in Mexico? Why am I always the guy in Mexico? Charles, this happens every episode. Tykus: I can be the guy from Mexico if you want. I think there'll just be more questions. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: We already know how you feel. Dan O: Do you have a sombrero? Yeah. all right, the w Tykus: I think it's time Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Ha ha ha. Dan O: it's time, it's time. We got we got three Tykus: It's time. Dan O: three more things. Tykus: And then we're out of here. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Yeah, go ahead. Dan O: okay. I think it's Tykus: Charles Dan O: so yeah, it's wait, what do you got, Tikis? Tykus: Charles, it's time for who's who. that not what you wanted? Dan O: That's perfect. Tykus: Yeah, Charles. Every week we take the characters in this movie and we say who their equivalent is from Shrek Wand. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Mm. Okay. Tykus: If you need some time to think about it, I do have one already thought of. Dan O: Get it started, Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Yeah. Dan O: Tychus. Yeah, who do you got? Who do you got? Tykus: Elijah is donkey. Dan O: Whoa hmm. Tykus: Alright? I don't think there's gonna be any perfect comparisons in this movie, but here are my arguments. He's a showman. He's always performing. He at the end of the movie, he even calls himself this, he thinks of himself as Daniel's friend. But Daniel does not reciprocate and he's constantly putting him down and turning him away. Dan O: Mm-hmm. Tykus: Elijah's donkey. Dan O: I hear Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Two there. Dan O: you, but does that mean that plain view is Shrek? Tykus: Not necessarily, but he does treat him some of the ways that Shrek treats donkey. Dan O: Mm-hmm. Tykus: But that doesn't necessarily mean in this movie he is Shrek. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: I think Shriking Daniel Dan O: Uh-huh. Tykus: Make your case, young man. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: They bo they both love to be isolated. That's Tykus: Mm. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: their goal. Dan O: Okay. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: They want to live alone. They both have an equally menacing presence. When they're angry. Tykus: Mm. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: They both love to scare people. Dan O: Ha ha ha. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: And yeah, the relationship with Donkey. It's Tykus: This this does bring a Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Yeah, go ahead. Tykus: The lag is terrible. Do you do you guys think he I have my opinion, but do you guys think he ended up killing that guy from Standard Oil? Dan O: Who is that guy again? Tykus: The bald guy he negotiates Dan O: The guy Tykus: with, who he says, after he tells him how to run his family, he says, I'm gonna go into your house one night and slit your throat while you're sleeping and then he reminds him about it later on in the movie. Dan O: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Tykus: Do you think he ended up killing him? Dan O: No. Tykus: Charles? Absolutely he did. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: No. I think he went to prison. Tykus: The guy? Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Daniel. Tykus: Daniel went to prison. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Yeah, how's he gonna get away with that? Tykus: He's it's like the nineteen what thirties, and he's a rich oil baron. Dan O: Mm-hmm. Tykus: I think he'll get away with it. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Eli's a pretty prominent prominent guy. Tykus: It sounded like he was in a lot of hot water though, he was maybe in the midst of being disgraced. Dan O: But he was on the radio. Tykus: He was on the radio, yeah. That's a good Dan O: So Tykus: question though, Dan. Do you think Daniel gets away with it? Dan O: Yes. I have no reason to think he doesn't. This whole movie is just about like how far will you go once you're poisoned by greed and his alcoholism it just doesn't help. But then we've also seen him get away with two other murders. Tykus: Mm-hmm. Okay, this brings up two questions I have to ask. I know we're in the middle of who's who, but I'm not done talking about this movie. Okay, Dan O: yeah. Mm. Mm-hmm. Tykus: after he kills his brother, he digs the grave, he buries him, he wakes up, bandy's there. And it's not clear. Does Bandy know he just committed the murder? Dan O: Yes. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: I don't think so. Tykus: I don't think so either. Dan O: Why not? Tykus: Cause he du I don't I think if he knew he had killed someone, it would have been different. And it's vague enough that I think he doesn't know. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: I don't think he knows. Dan O: Charles, do you agree? Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Yes. I think t well the th scene everybody thinks that he he knows that he killed him because he hands him his gun. But I mean that's like standard procedure. if Tykus: Yeah. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: you if you see someone laying on your property, you know, are they armed? and but he he's also bandy's privy to the town's like like what's happening in the town and he probably knows Daniel's gotten rid of his kid. 'Cause I mean he's Daniel's like the biggest guy in town. Like he's given everybody jobs and like is talked about in the church and he probably knows what Daniel did with his kid. And that's why it's brought up so quick when he when when he is told to like confess his sins. That's why that's why Eli knows quick too, and that's why like Dan O: Hm. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: it's brought up. And I think if he did know that Daniel killed his brother, like he would have said something. Tykus: Also, he probably wouldn't have given him his gun. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Yeah. Dan O: Okay, I didn't think about that, but what what about the he's like to be forgiven for your sins in plain view is like, what sins are you d and then and then he hands a Mizgon? Charles Wurtele the 2rd: He's fishing. He's fishing Tykus: Yeah. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: to see if he does know. Dan O: He he's fishing, right, but Tykus: His response to the fishing is to give him the gun. Dan O: As in, this is the answer to the question. You're asking me what sins specifically or in particular, these ones. Tykus: Yeah, that's the part Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Mm. Tykus: Yeah. Dan O: you know? Tykus: 'Cause he doesn't his he doesn't answer the question. He just hands him the gun as a response. Dan O: Right, right. Tykus: And is it a revolver? Can he see there's a bullet missing? Dan O: Yeah if he's smart Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Probably. Dan O: enough, yeah, if he's smart enough to take it off of his person. And then you're also just gonna miss that there's a shovel sticking out of like a bunch of dirt. I don't know. Tykus: He probably knows. Dan O: He knows, of course he knows. He already has a negative opinion of Plainview. Like this isn't it's nothing new. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: I just think it would have been I don't know why they would leave it s like, just completely forget about it though. Or like I guess not mention it at all. The the Dan O: Mm-hmm. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: killing at all. He would have said something, I feel like, and wouldn't left wouldn't have left it so vague. Tykus: he feels though he says God spoke to me. So I guess he maybe he feels like this is a great work he's doing. This is how he's gonna get Daniel saved. Dan O: He buried a body on Bandy's property. and they are digging a pipeline on the same property. I'm not saying they're digging right through where he buried the body, but like Bandy knows his property so well, I would think Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Yeah. Maybe he came across Dan O: I think he knew. Tykus: Yeah, alright. Dan O: I think you do. Tykus: My other question was though, the last line of the movie. Daniel's sitting there by Elijah's body, the butler comes in, whatever his name is, and Daniel says, I'm finished What does it mean? Dan O: He's finished, he's done. He finished what he was doing. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: He's t he's tied off all Tykus: immediately? Charles Wurtele the 2rd: his all his loose ends. Tykus: Totality with his meal. Dan O: All of it. Yeah, all the above. Tykus: Yeah. Is he finished like he's going he he knows he's going to jail now? He's finished. Dan O: I don't think it's that. I think he gets away with it. I think it's it's him being cheeky. 'Cause he's trying to do he's like a showman at the end. He's like, Denounce your faith, say you're a false prophet. Tykus: Mm-hmm. Dan O: By the way, I already dug up where you're saying. So this is just more showmanship coming at ya. Tykus: Yeah. He does get weird he does hit the metaphor Dan O: Mm-hmm. Tykus: out of nowhere. He's never talked like that before. And then all of a sudden he's like, imagine a milkshake. Dan O: Right. And I didn't even know they were invented back then. I thought milkshakes were like fifties or sixties. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: No. Tykus: it's not that complicated. Dan O: No, you're saying no. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Everybody knows the day milkslakes were invented, go. Tykus: I've I've thought about it and I think I think Elijah's also Farquad. Dan O: Th thanks for rounding it back here, yeah. Okay. Tykus: 'Cause he doesn't actually care about his subjects, he just cares about the power and being in charge and ruling over them. Dan O: He's Donkey and Farquad. Tykus: He's he's he's Donquad. Dan O: Huh. Okay. I gotta really quickly I just make the case for HW being donkey. He didn't really ask to be in that position, but he is going along with the protagonists and ends up just being kind of the second guy, right? And he's the right hand to who we're calling Shrek. I don't think Playing V is a good Shrek, but who else are you really gonna pick? So HW could be a donkey. The only the main difference is obviously donkey is more talkative. but that is no fault of HW's. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: I still think Plainfield's track. Dan O: Okay. Tykus: Yeah, I'm inclined to agree with him. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: I think their paths are flipped in each movie. Like Dan O: What do mean? Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Shrek starts out and has everything that Daniel wants. Like he lives by himself. He lives a very hedonistic like lifestyle. You know, hates people. But then he grows to love. And then Daniel kind of starts out differently. He lives a very An unforgiving lifestyle on the frontier, mining for silver. But he has I guarantee he's probably more happy then than he was, you know, at the end of the movie. He has a son that he probably loves, at least a little Dan O: Mm. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: bit now. but then at the end he gets to where Shrek is at the beginning of Shrek, where he's isolated by himself. But he's not happy. He lost the one thing he loves and his son. Tykus: So you're saying this is almost like Parasite, where it's a retelling of Shrek in reverse? Dan O: Yeah. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: yeah, you know, minus Tykus: Dan, the more we do this podcast, the more I realize every movie is Shrekwan. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Ha ha ha. Dan O: That's that's why we do it, man. That's it. It's clicking finally. Yeah, every movie is Shrek One. Except Tykus: Or Dan O: for the ones that aren't. Tykus: it's a little bit like that saying if all you're holding is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Maybe if your entire podcast is centered around Shrek 1, everything looks like an ogre and a talking donkey going on a magical quest. Dan O: Yeah. Yeah. That's it. That's why we started this. And that's why HW is Farquad. Tykus: What? Charles Wurtele the 2rd: I don't y no. Dan O: Okay, I I just need to throw some Tykus: He was just throwing it against the wall, seeing if it stuck. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Yeah. Dan O: Sometimes you just say stuff, you know? Tykus: Is anybody Fiona? Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Mm-hmm. Dan O: are there any women married? Tykus: Is Mary Fiona? She gets married at the end. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Who would the Tykus: She goes away with her husband? Dan O: She looks like an ogre. I hear ya. Tykus: I didn't say that last one. she needs rescuing. Dan O: She does, yeah. So does HW's mother. But she's not Tykus: Wait, H Daniel Plainview is Shrek. He rescues f Mary. Dan O: He rescues Mary. Tykus: From her abusive father. Dan O: okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. There's no other there's no other Fiona. That has to be it. Mm-hmm. Okay. Tykus: Yeah. Wow. Incredible. Dan O: I think the last one is Gingerbread Man and then we'll get to funniest line and verdict. D the two guys that die in the well, are they gingerbread men? Tykus: is Daniel's right hand man gingerbread man? Dan O: His brother? Tykus: No, the other guy. The one who's standing next to him as the well is burning and he asks, Is HW okay? and Daniel says no. Dan O: Mm That's more Thelonious. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: I think it has to be Paul. Dan O: Paul's gingy. Tykus: Paul. Paul's gingy. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: 'Cause he gives information. Tykus: In a dark room. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: In a dark room. Dan O: Wow, there it is. Got it. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: But would that make Tykus: Ladies and gentlemen. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: no. Dan O: We can't overcomplicate this, Charles. Once we get it, we gotta move on. Yeah, this one's really hard already. Tykus: No, no. This is already a complicated enough premise for a podcast. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: I think it's gotta be Paul though for Gingerbread Man. And he's only Tykus: That's true. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: in the movie for just no, not much. Dan O: Mm, mm-hmm. Tykus: But his impact is felt throughout the rest of it. He sets in motion everything that comes after. Dan O: Which makes a little Boston Drury Lane. Okay, let's move on to the funniest line. Tykus: I can't wait to hear what you guys think 'cause boy was this not a comedy. Dan O: This movie not a lot of laughs, I gotta be honest. Not super funny. Tykus: I think there's only one and it's already on the screen. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: No Dan O: I've got I've got four contenders. Tykus: Four. Okay. Two. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: I think I have two that I thought. Dan O: Charles, you should go, you should go. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Wait, I wrote it down. where he's talking to I think it's the standard guy or one of his associates and he's like, Don't be thick in front of me, Al Dan O: Yeah. Tykus: That's Jim Downey. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: I love that insult. I wanna start using that. Dan O: I almost wrote that. I almost wrote that. That's such a good line. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: And then when he's at the table, he's first meeting with the Sunday family, and he's trying to like lowball them and just pretend that he's he wants the land for quail. Dan O: Mm-hmm. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: But he can't help but like reveal his tr true intentions. he's so bad at lying. and when Eli's talking about like how their oil sits up at the top, of the of the ground and he's like, I believe that's called seepage. Like he just knows a technical term. Those were my two. Tykus: Yeah, he and he immediately goes Dan O: That's good. Tykus: into the most detail about oil drilling. He's Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Yeah. Tykus: like, I have a friend. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Yeah. Dan O: Which yeah, by the way, that's true, cause you sounded like him a little bit. What kind of accent is Plainview? What what does he have? Charles Wurtele the 2rd: I saw a clip and he said he watched a bunch of people like he watched there's no really like recordings from that time period, but he looked at some like recordings of people from Oklahoma during the Depression and kind of built a voice around that from those recordings that he heard. And it might not Tykus: Which is Charles Wurtele the 2rd: even it might not even be any accent. It might just be something that Dan O: Yeah. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: he conjured And thought Tykus: W Charles Wurtele the 2rd: of Tykus: whatever the accent is though, I don't think it sounds like he's from Wisconsin. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: No. Dan O: So true. Yeah. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: The prn the way he pronounces coyote, coyote hills, coyote or how did yeah, Dan O: Koyotes The Koyotes. Tykus: Co coyote. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: coyote heels. Like just the way I've never, Tykus: Coyote. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: never in my life heard someone pronounce coyote like that. And I Dan O: Yeah, yeah. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: don't know where that accent is from. Tykus: The mind of Daniel Day Lewis. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Yeah. Dan O: some contenders for what I think funniest line are funniest lines. He he walks up to the guy's table and he's completely blasted. HW is sitting over there, puts like the napkin over his head, tries to get some attention. At some point he walks over. I think this is the standard guy, and he is he says, You look like a fool, don't you, Tilford? Which is good because obviously. We know who the fool is in that scene. there was there was one point, at the very end of the movie, Eli says to Plainview, Daniel, my brother. And I only wrote that down because the song Daniel My Brother. Tykus: Unfamiliar. Dan O: Who is it? I think it's Billy Joel. Tykus: Mm. Billy Joel Osman. Dan O: Elton John, sorry, different Billy Joel. The other Tykus: Good. Good, good, good. Dan O: Billy Joel. and then the last two lines are I don't know how funny these are, and I don't know why I laughed. I just laughed, I guess, when these were said, but HW as an adult says to his dad, I'm going to Mexico with my wife. It's just the first time he spoke. as an adult and it just made me laugh. Tykus: You think a deaf person speaking is hilarious? Dan O: That's not what I'm saying. Is it was just the surprise of the line, not the delivery. Tykus: I'm going to Mexico with my wife. That's what he had already told him. What was surprising. Dan O: Yes. I he signed it and then he and then he said it and that's what the surprise was. Tykus: Well he said he wanted they telegraphed the whole what was surprising. Dan O: Mm-hmm, mm hmm. Is that he spoke Tykus: He said I wanna Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Yeah. Tykus: hear my son say it and then it was locked on his face. What did you think was gonna happen? Dan O: I didn't think he would oblige. I d I thought he would divert. Tykus: Okay. All right. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Yeah, honestly didn't think he could talk at all. That was a big for some reason like a big I don't know, bombshell. Yeah. Whoa. Dan O: Right? It's a big moment. Yeah, Tykus: I yeah, I suppose. Dan O: made me laugh. the last one, those areas have been drilled. When he said that I lost it. I was like, this guy's hilarious. Tykus: I the only two I I could think of, it's not funny in the moment, but in hindsight it's kind of funny that as Daniel and his right hand man are staring at the oil Derek on fire, the guy asks, Is HW okay? And Daniel goes, No, he is not. And then he just keeps Dan O: Ha ha ha. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Ha ha. Tykus: staring at the well, and the other guy's like, I'll go check on him. Dan O: Ha Tykus: And then what's yours? Do yours. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: I just thought of one more, sorry. no, well when Henry shows up and he's sitting on the steps and he's like, Daniel, it's me, Henry. Your brother from another mother? Dan O: that's right. He does say that. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: I was like, the that should be the biggest clue Tykus: Ha ha ha ha. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: in that he's not your dang brother. Like if someone said like I would Dan O: From another mother. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: never I would never my god. Tykus: To be fair Charles, I don't think they had that expression back then. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: I know, and that's a another clue in like this guy is from the future, maybe. Dan O: Yeah, he coined it. Tykus: Right. Right. And then I think you guys might not agree, but I think I drink your milksake, I drink it up. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Yeah. Dan O: The slurp. Tykus: It's just the therp slurp afterwards mainly. Dan O: Mm-hmm. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: I gotta be honest, I don't s so he's in a drunken fit here. He's he's he's tanked. Dan O: Probably. Tykus: Mm-hmm. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: I don't think I just Part of me like doesn't believe that that that's what an alcoholic fit of rage looks like. Like have you ever seen Dan O: It's moonshine. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Is that what he's drinking in the bottle? Or is it water? Dan O: I think so. I thought it was moonshine. Tykus: I thought that was water. 'Cause I felt like once he realized it was Elijah, he was trying really hard to sober up 'cause he was like, I wanna I wanna be Charles Wurtele the 2rd: yeah. Tykus: fully here so I can mess with this guy. Enjoy Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Enjoy this. Tykus: this, yeah. Yeah. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: That's hilarious. I didn't even think about that, Dan O: Okay. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: yeah. Dan O: I don't know, we don't normally do this, but if I had to vote for funniest lines, it's probably No He is not and Brother from Another Mother. This guy. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Ha ha ha ha Tykus: Great contenders. Hey, if anyone ever decides they want to comment on an episode, let us know what you Dan O: I would love that. Tykus: thought the funniest line was and whether or not you think Charles was a good guest. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: don't do that. Dan O: We already know what they're gonna say. Come on. Tykus: Yeah. Dan O: Okay. Let's do it. Let's bring the milkshake to the yard. Or what do they say? Tykus: They say let's do the stuff. Dan O: Okay. let's get into verdicts here. We officially have to determine if this movie is better or worse than Shrek One. I feel like Charles, since you are the guest, you have to go last. First? What do you I don't know. Charles Wurtele the 2rd: Last. Dan O: All right. Tykus: Yes. Okay. Dan pick a number between one and one point two. Yeah, Dan O: Tales. Tykus: that was it. Dang it. Dan O: Okay. I'll go. I'll go, I'll go. We already kinda hinted at this a lot, but this movie did not make me laugh a whole ton. its runtime is pretty extensive. Its main character is reprehensible, disgusting, inspirational, I guess. But the execution of the movie, so like yeah, Paul Thomas Anderson probably was the best thing about this movie to me. Just like yeah, we set everybody up. I think directed the story great. It's not originally his script, but the adaptation awesome. So many like the storytelling specifically. The first line of dialogue isn't until 14 and a half minutes into this movie. So just like let the visuals do their work. I think this guy does that perfectly. but not really my favorite subject matter. It's really just about capitalism and how far it'll take you and if I'm thinking about it, There Will Be Blood is a fitting title, and maybe one made more fitting when you consider its alternative title, Gotta Crack a Few Eggs. I I think this movie is worse than Shrek One. A seven out of ten. Tykus: Mm. Okay, so I I ag I will agree with Dan. I think Paul Thomas Anderson is probably the best thing about this movie, which is impressive because day Daniel Day Lewis does give Oscar winning performance and does fully become Daniel Plainview. which is another impressive thing about this movie. I, the second time watching it, I think I do like it more the second time around. I do appreciate it more. I understand it way better. The first time it left me pretty confused as to what I just watched a movie about and what the point of it was. The second time through, I I feel like I understand the story it's telling about the lust for power and greed and how all-consuming and how inevitably it can only end in one place. I I will say though it is a tough rewatch. definite I would say a negative rewatchability factor, which is the exact opposite of Shrek 1. But I do think it is an excellently made movie. The performances are great. I would say it is worse than Shrek 1, but I would give it a solid 8 out of 10.