Luke Sorensen: Welcome back to the Men After God podcast. We've got Dustin Alley. My name is Luke Sorensen. We are here. We're kind of wrapping up ⁓ chapter four of Dustin's book. We've been going through it and we've really been enjoying this. I'll tell you what, I read the book a couple years ago when you produced it and it got came out. I got like an early copy I think and I'm really enjoying going back through this book. We're doing it two ways. We're doing it as a men's ministry, the church that I'm at. So I'm enjoying kind of really diving in and using it as a Bible study. It is a great. great book. We've had great results from our men's ministry. And we have some of the men of the bond drive out of church who are now listening to this podcast because they're following Dustin. But we we have a hard time getting through the chapters we have done this will be the third podcast in chapter four each chapter was supposed to be one podcast and there's just so much depth. So ⁓ it just well we should because we're talking about the physical man. So let's talk about working out here. Yeah.

Dustin Alley: It just didn't work out. Yeah Sure. Yeah. Well, when you talk about depth though, what is it like chapter two? I've got like five pages. It's You know that one made it more everyone excited like ⁓ it's not gonna be that bad and then you get into the you know chapter four like whoa Hang on. Hang on the bait and switch there

Luke Sorensen: Yeah, yeah, we. Yeah, that's what you call a bait and switch. Like there are laws against that, man. Just want to throw that out there. if you want to leave a review, read chapter two first and give us a review after that, just we'll just take personal feedback, right? ⁓ So we're talking about the physical man. And I want to just preface this with we know that every individual we're talking to is in a different season of life. You're at a different stage of life. Some of you are recovering from medical surgeries. And so just want to make sure

Dustin Alley: Yes! I love it. Mm-hmm.

Luke Sorensen: We want you to look at this with Dustin's favorite word, holistically, and look at it from a perspective of, look at where you're at, take what you can, take anything we're giving you like chewing gum, get the good stuff out and spit out the rest. Because to be honest, there's gonna be stuff that may not apply to you, or there's some stuff that we're gonna challenge some of you to step out and do more, and you should already be doing more, so just man up, take a pill, you'll be fine. So we're talking about the physical man.

Dustin Alley: Hey. Yes. Hang on, did you guys hear that? Did you hear what Luke just said? It's like he said something and didn't make it like nice and pretty and cared about how you feel. ⁓ Luke, I'm rubbing off on you, man. I'm so happy. ⁓ that's wonderful. Yes. Monique, I know you're listening. I will be praying for you. ⁓

Luke Sorensen: Pray for me. Pray for me guys. Pray for me too much time with Dustin. Okay. ⁓ let's talk. Yeah, right, exactly. So, you argue that physical capability supports mental and spiritual health. What's your pastoral concern? Like, and obviously from a spiritual leadership perspective where you're at, concerned behind the point of, how much the physical ties into mental and spiritual health?

Dustin Alley: Yeah, ever since writing this, know, and especially the last year or two, and we've had, you know, some podcasts series on it, just, I've really gained an interest in psychology, neuroscience and the integration of a biblical worldview with the two. And obviously, the biblical worldview is the foundation because there's a ton of stuff out there in psychology we could disagree with. Neuroscience is a little bit more to ⁓ true in a sense of how it is about what we've observed. But understanding the impact of your physical health on your mental well-being. As a pastor, I want our people to be spiritually healthy, but I also know that God created us as a three-part being, which is why maybe that's why we're having three parts here, because we're to go over each one them individually. And the physical nature, it's not separate from your spiritual or emotional state, it's intertwined with.

Luke Sorensen: Yeah.

Dustin Alley: Again, this goes back to a lot of studies that they've shown in neuroscience where you find that what you eat and how it impacts your mind and the way the sunlight impacts you. I love it. If you guys go and listen to I've mentioned Diary of a CEO, he's got different ones. Wes Huff was just on there, Luke. If you haven't listened to that one, that was a great one. But he was on there. there's another one who did a sunlight study. And here's what I'll say. I take a vitamin D supplement because I live in New England right now. And some of you have heard the benefits of vitamin D and what it can do for you. Well, what they thought was it was just a supplement, but this guy's research has shown even through COVID that it wasn't vitamin D that was actually increasing the ⁓ rate at which people would recover or the chances of them recovering. It was their exposure to sunlight. And the way, and the short form of this is that the sunlight, when it hits our bodies, our bodies produce vitamin D. as a byproduct of that interaction. so we said people were saying, well, the presence of vitamin D is what's doing this. His argument was no, it's the actual rays from the sun because of how it was interacting with the cells of our body. then big word here, guys, go back to the science books if you don't remember it, but the mitochondria, the big battery pack of the cell would flip on after like 15 minutes of sunlight exposure and just do so much for you. Okay. What does that mean? God created us so that our physical bodies should be cared for by what God has given us. And when we care for our physical bodies, we find ourselves in a better mental, emotional, spiritual state. I know you're like me and you have had way too much food at Thanksgiving. I am no use to the kingdom on Thanksgiving Day. Let's be honest. And why? Because I've gorged myself. And at high carbs, ⁓ maybe too much turkey, everybody makes the joke about how turkey has that thing in it that can cause you to sleep. And maybe it actually does, but it's not the turkey, it's all the rolls. It's the sweet potato pie, it's the sweet potato, it's everything else you put in your body. Are you any useful to the kingdom? No, okay, well, if we maintain a steady diet like that, we're no use to the kingdom, to our family, to our church, to our community, we really get us out of that. So as a... as pastor, as a spiritual leader, I personally want to take care of my body and I want to help you as best as you can take care of your physical body. Not so you can be jacked and tanned, not so you can have the slimmest waist, not even so your wife can look at you and be attracted to you, so that you can be who God made you to be and be useful to the kingdom for years and years to come.

Luke Sorensen: Yeah, good stuff there. First of all, Turkey sounds great. It's dinner time right now. We're recording on Sunday night. It's about 6.30 in Texas. And now that I'm starving, no, just kidding. No, this was good. The conversation of, hey, we've got to look at this and be intentional about where we are physically. And the thing is, like I said before, the seasons aspect of what your life is in, you may be in a different season. I think we've talked, I think we did a different podcast for Men's Mystery.

Dustin Alley: Mmm. ⁓ we are. Yeah. ⁓

Luke Sorensen: talking about like, can't eat salads. I physically, I have had my colon removed. I've got a different system because of different previous health issues. ⁓ But to be honest, I can go into two conversations. One is I can't eat salads. Now I actually like salads. My wife ordered salad. I'll take a bite or two. I love a good salad. I know people that don't like veggies. Dustin doesn't like eating salads. Not his favorite thing. That's fine. Being aware of what is good for you, what you should be eating or drinking or not eating or not drinking is all good. But then when I go back, I actually look at like the reason I got sick before I my colon taken out and said 2016 saved my life. But prior to that, I went to Bible College. Now I believe that there's a lot of benefits to Bible College. This is not a diss on Bible College. I have my opinions. And actually I loved going to, I loved, I went to West Coast Baptist College. I'm proud of that. Some of you might have issues with that. Please, please take a pill. There we go. Times two. But the concept is I went to West Coast and what I did there is I worked three jobs. I was, I was serving everywhere. I was trying to do it all, trying to pay my bill. trying to live by faith and also not live by faith and ultimately very much hurt my body, not just because I wasn't eating right, that was part of it, but I wasn't sleeping. I wasn't taking care of myself and literally what God had given me to steward within about two or three years at West Coast, I had really put myself in a place where I was extremely unhealthy and very, very limited. So much so by the time I got married in 2010, I was so sick that I really couldn't serve. in the ministry I was called to serve in. I was having a hard time providing for my family. I had ulcerative colitis. And by the way, I know they say, well, you don't know what caused ulcerative colitis. I can tell you what season of life caused it. It when I did not take care of what God gave me. And that limited me tremendously into being the best version of myself. Now, God used 2016, had a surgery, changed my life in so many ways. I'm very, very grateful. But with that, I don't want to do that again. So to whom much is given, to be required is required of a man that amounted to be found faithful. You need to take a look at this. So would encourage you as a man after God, that look at what your diet is, look at what you're doing physically and should you be doing more? Maybe you should be doing less. And there's a challenge there, Dustin, talk about this. It's not a question I have. I'm gonna go to question two in a second here.

Dustin Alley: Hmm. Hmm.

Luke Sorensen: ⁓ You talked about in your book. We're gonna skip way way ahead of the end where it talks about doing nothing for Jesus I just want you to tie in there So there's a lot of like physical and do and serve and all we're gonna tie this into the end But can you just real quick give us a little clip on that?

Dustin Alley: Yeah, do nothing for Jesus is ⁓ honestly that is the ⁓ tagline I use when I talk about my book because I know when I'm talking with people, Luke, I don't know about you, but I know you can talk a lot. And sometimes when I'm talking, I realize the other person actually is not listening to me anymore. So I may have to, you know, social cues and stuff like that.

Luke Sorensen: Real quick, those of you who stopped listening, Dustin is calling you guys out.

Dustin Alley: all of you. ⁓ But guys, that that do nothing for Jesus, I I wanted to come up with something to ⁓ to really shock and all because I know when you read that, or when you hear that statement, it goes against everything you've ever heard or been taught in your life. And it's meant to honestly glitch your brain is the best way I know to say it because every time I've talked to people about it, the As soon as I finished and say, it's the five pillars, five, five pillar framework, you know, this, this, this, that, and then do nothing for Jesus. And it's in that moment I get this, I get the eyebrow raise. get the head till the weight. Hang on. What did you say? What do mean do nothing? Exactly. Yes. Although we could get more cowbell on the podcast. I'm going to get, I'm going to get a sound effect. ⁓ but that, that moment,

Luke Sorensen: The bell just went off and it wasn't any cowbell. it just... Yes. ⁓

Dustin Alley: it registers so much because so many of us have been ⁓ trained to think we need to constantly be doing more. And I mean, there's a good old song out there called, We'll Work Till Jesus Comes. And I think there's a lot of good value to that. But there's also a truth of Scripture ⁓ where it says that Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath, and Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. And God made that day of rest for us to take. made Jesus the Lord of it, and when we decide not to rest, not to pause, not to, you know, take that day or that time, we're choosing not to worship. And I don't know about you, but I have no right to deny my King my worship. Now, Dustin, are you perfect at this every single week? Absolutely not. I do my best, and I found that—and this is what was important in the book that we'll get to, I'm sure— and we'll tease this because we'll flush it out later Sabbath rest doesn't look the same for everyone and you have to find what your Sabbath rest is and that's where I'll leave that one so it's okay to pause and reflect it's okay to take rest you just got to find out what it is for you

Luke Sorensen: Yeah, so the reason I'm saying that is because a lot of times we get this concept of the physical man needs to be doing, doing, you're working out seven days a week. You need to do the right thing for your body and the right thing based on so many variables of schedule, time, priorities, finances, all that stuff. But I want to make sure that you are looking at your rest as something that is required. It's not optional.

Dustin Alley: Yep.

Luke Sorensen: So you need to make schedule your rest a priority when it comes to your physical well-being, your mental well-being. ⁓ And so I'm not gonna talk more on that because I don't want to detour from what we're going, but I just want to make sure we put that in there. Dustin, what do you say to the man who hears this podcast and hears the conversation and physical man and they're like, ⁓ here we go again. They feel condemned because maybe they're out of shape, injured, depressed, exhausted. They're dealing with all these things. Give us the encouragement. Give us the good word there.

Dustin Alley: Yeah, yeah. So I'll do what Luke's really good at. I just won't do it as well as Luke did. So let me say it this way. First off, guys, I know there's some of you with medical conditions and various things of that nature. However, and I don't, I don't want to diminish those. I know I don't want to act like I'm a doctor who knows exactly what you should be doing and can't be doing and you know, tell you to get up and start doing stuff. At the same time, you need to have a gut check moment and ask, I am I using this as an excuse? If you go watch a diamond Dallas page, and I grew up watching wrestling DDP, I've had the, I've had the diamond cutter done to me on a trampoline and I've done it. And Luke's looking at me like, what, what's a diamond Dallas pay? Why? So anyways, for those, I know I, I, get it. So Google him, but he's got this thing called DDP yoga now. And he went on shark tank, did a pitch and ⁓ had a guy that was paralyzed. Okay. No, no, no. The guy that came on there wasn't paralyzed.

Luke Sorensen: I have no idea what you're talking about right now. Yeah, yeah.

Dustin Alley: He was not walking. He was a veteran, had gotten blown up, had some surgeries and they told him like, you're never going to walk without crutches. You'll never run and all this stuff. Well, the opening of his pitch or not. Yeah. That he introduces this guy and he's running down the hall and you see the videos, this guy's transformation. And then you see him work with Butterbean, a famous boxer or Scott Hall. And, know, unfortunately he passed away, but the recovery he had there and Jake the snake Robertson. And now he's working with this young man on social media who is just He's a massive young man and, but he worked, he's working with them and he's helping them see like, yeah, you've got issues, but your biggest issue isn't the medical things that are wrong with you. It's the mindset you have regarding them. And so I want to try to wrap all what I'm about to say up in a nice pretty bow to say, Hey, look, you may have some stuff going on, but and you may if you feel condemned or if you're feeling ⁓ targeted or triggered by the things we're saying when it comes to the physical man. ⁓ Now let me go into how I like to talk. Suck it up buttercup. Some of you need to get up and be moving. Some of you need to be told that you're big and that you need to go do something and you're hurting yourself and your family because you're not. Too many people are dying of obesity and obesity related issues in America for us to sit back and act as though because we're Christian men, we can go to every potluck and eat everything and all this stuff and everything's gonna be okay. Guys, if you're depressed, you need to get up and move. Is it hard? Absolutely. It's time we do hard things. I'm so thankful for ministries like Solcon and other men's ministries that are out there. I know of Iron Sharpens Iron and then Men of Valor, great ministries. that are calling on Christian men to start doing something with your bodies, to move and to not make an excuse. I promise you, throughout the winter, my wife and I, when we were going to the gym, did I have days I slept in? Yes. but there were mornings we woke up and it was in the teens or single digits and we still got up and we got out in the cold and we went to the gym. I wasn't working out in the cold. Let's, not get that twisted. I wasn't out there taking an ice bath. Like I've seen some guys do. I'm not trying to say like I'm that guy. I'm not that guy, but I did, but we did get up and we went. Did we fell sometimes? Absolutely. And then we got up the next day and we went. So guys, you've got to do something. You're injured, you're depressed, you're exhausted. Do something. Go watch the DDP yoga stuff and see he starts with small steps. Hey man, maybe you can't do a hundred pushups. Can you do one? Can you do them on your knees? Can you think about doing a pushup? Honestly, is what's the next small step you need to do physically because what's a win for you might just be going to the gym and sitting there for five minutes and then leaving. Go do it and I will celebrate you. Some of you guys may be like me and I've worked out for a while and you know, humble brag here for a moment. I put 225 up on the bench the other day. Like that was a huge accomplishment for me, but I couldn't do that a year and a half ago. It comes over time and consistency. Do something and don't don't don't think just you got to pay attention to the season of life you're in. If you're a man that's got three kids under under the age of five at home and working a full time job.

Luke Sorensen: Yeah. ⁓

Dustin Alley: You might not have time to go spend an hour in the gym every day, but can you get out there every couple days? Can you go for a walk with your wife? Can you watch your health? Can you get out in the sunshine? Can you take some deep breaths every now and then? What can you do? So guys, don't hear all this and start throwing a pity party and woe is me, I can never do this, I can never do that. I don't care about what you can't do. I tell this to my kids all the time. I can't stand telling my kids to do something and they start giving me all the excuses as to why they can't do it. Because then I just look at them and I say, listen, I'm tired of hearing what you can't do. Get up and show me what you can do. And you know what they end up doing? Exactly what I asked for or more because they are more than capable. They just had to get out of their heads, stop seeing every little problem as an obstacle that's going to keep them from moving forward and just do something. I could keep going. That's obviously a, I found my hobby.

Luke Sorensen: This is so much fun. was like, was just over here, preach, preach, preach, good stuff. I just want to challenge you. What Dustin just said there is, hey, so many times we could find the excuse to John, I was with at a conference this week with John Maxwell, just simple plug there on getting to.

Dustin Alley: Hey, I'm bragging on Luke. The man was personally with John Maxwell a few weeks ago at somewhere else and that was just a great time. He knows him. He calls him John now. I think he has his number and texts him too.

Luke Sorensen: It's a good time. Yeah, I call him John and he's my friend, so it's okay. Anyway, John even says he's my friend, it's great. Of course he says if you crowd of 5,000 people it's all right, but the point, well, irrelevant. First of all, clip that part out. Anyway, I just wanna say this. ⁓ He was talking about the concept of mindset and this was a challenge. He was talking about this and he's taught this to his kids. John Maxwell does a mentorship even with his kids and grandkids who are adults. Now I take some.

Dustin Alley: He says it to everybody, but yeah, no, no, no, it's good for you.

Luke Sorensen: and does mentorship, has time with them, it's really beautiful. But one of the things he was challenging them with is when a challenge comes up, you've been challenged. Dustin just threw the gauntlet down. And if you don't know the references, you can Google that. Like he just threw a gauntlet down and said, pick it up. And some of you guys are maybe a PMP and can't even bend over and pick it up because you haven't noticed, maybe you clip that part out, right? But the gauntlet's down, when you're faced with a challenge, many people say, can I? Like. Can I even do this? Like, is this even something that I can do? John Maxwell says, add one word. How can I? So you've been challenged with do something more. Get out there, work it out, whatever. And by the way, he described a win for you might be barely making it to the gym and doing a walk around the lab. Some of you, it's not even a gym thing. Like for me, the excuse if I don't have time to go to the gym because I've got kids, my kids are a gym. they will run you ragged if you let them you get out by the way, no matter what level if their babies get on the floor with them if their toddlers get on the floor with them if they're if they're adults, chase them or to run from them, whatever it is, right? Whatever it takes, we've got air, air, not airsoft, nerf guns that we play nerf wars. And I tell you what we get laughing and rolling having nerf war, everyone's all come home and there's a note on the door and nerf war and Monica has army ties the kids and now there's a battle going on and I start running on I start barely breathing. I'm like, man, that is a workout.

Dustin Alley: Yeah, there you go. There you go. Yup.

Luke Sorensen: You say, man, I don't have time to go to gym. Then do something with your kids. Do something with your grandkids. Do something with your nieces and nephews. Don't make some lousy excuse of why you can't do something. Say, how can I? Because you'll get a different answer. And that's the challenge. So we're gonna finish with this question. I actually love this question. ⁓ It says, as you mentioned accountability in the chapter, the concept, and accountability is perfect, but what does effective accountability actually look like so it's not just guilt checking?

Dustin Alley: good. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

Luke Sorensen: I don't know if you've ever had accountability partner where it's just like, it's the worst. I've got a quick story on this. I'm gonna pass Dustin first and then I've got something on this that'll make you laugh.

Dustin Alley: Yeah. You know, it's interesting, and there's some things that come up about the Men After God book. A lot of people think it's going to be the story of David. It's going to be a Bible study and something of that nature. like, guys, I never promoted it as that. I promoted it as a book for men becoming a man after God. biblical principles and truth are there. We did develop a Bible study for it. We can go through it in that way. However, it It uses secular references at various different times. And there's a reason for that, because I wanted to write a book that would connect with a man who barely knows God, if at all. I wanted it to be for the person in the pew, or the chair, the seat, bench, floor, whatever, but not the pastor. That pastor, I think, can pull things from this, but I wanted to write one that was just kind of like for a guy like me. Simple, easy to understand. little lengthy, but not too bad. you know, so there's a various different stories you find in there about, ⁓ the Wright brothers, Jim Elliot, John Wood and Teddy Roosevelt, ⁓ Goggins, all these guys. Okay. And I bring all that up to, to say that stuff's in there and I'm about to use a different one right now because it, it, they all show biblical truth principle. in a way that a modern man can better understand so that he doesn't have to go in and just dive into the scriptures, into the Greek, and start piecing things together and extrapolate it himself. here's what I want to say. Atomic Habits is a fantastic book, and I saw this lived out just this last week with a couple friends of mine. Accountability, that's not just guilt checking, is accountability you make for yourself that someone else

Luke Sorensen: it's clear

Dustin Alley: is really holding you accountable to holding you accountable. So you can have an accountability partner, you wake up, read your Bible and send the text, hey, I read my Bible today, you know, something like that. That's fantastic. ⁓ However, I saw this list last week, a young man who had told his friend, hey, listen, and he's done this a few different ways because he still struggles with it. ⁓ He does not like getting up early. It's not his favorite thing, but he knows he needs to. So he's at one point, he gave his friend his password to Instagram. and said, Hey, you can post anything you want on my Instagram if I don't text you by this time. And can I tell you, he failed a couple days and ⁓ boy, this dude went wild. And he, you know, he's like, okay, I never want that to happen again. Okay. Well then he's like, all right, this isn't working. I'm still failing. What can I do? I want to, ⁓ every time I don't text you at, by this time, I'm going to send you five bucks. I think he stopped that after about a month. It was like, okay, nevermind. No. So was like two bucks now or whatever, but having accountability, it's not just guilt checking. Don't, don't put it on someone else to motivate you. Find a way to motivate yourself and allow your person to hold you accountable to your own accountability. Don't, don't, don't make it about them forcing you becoming your drill instructor or your parent. This is why it's not good to use your wife as an accountability partner because she can become your parent in a sense. And I don't know about you. I don't need that in my life. so, but saying like, Hey, babe, I'm going to get up and do this. And if I don't, then, you know, you can cook Brussels sprouts and asparagus for dinner tonight and I'll eat it. ⁓ God, Luke. No, no, not at all. Right. But that's, that's like, ⁓ that's what Satan serves in hell. Right. That's what, that's what that is to me. Right. Like I'm going there. I'm telling you like, no.

Luke Sorensen: That sounds great. So she's rewarding you for that, wasn't it?

Dustin Alley: And so, ⁓ but something of that nature, and because my wife loves some of those things, and she doesn't cook a lot of it because I and my children also don't really partake in them that much. But ⁓ something of that nature to where it's not that they're holding you accountable in the sense they're putting the finger on you, they're making you get up, they're making you go to the gym, or they're on you if you're not. It's just, hey, you are in charge of the punishment for me not doing this and it's a benefit to you or something of that nature. So I thought that was a great principle from Atomic Habits. I want to bring this conversation because I think that there's some biblical truth there in that we are individually responsible for our lives to Christ, not someone else. They can help us along, but we shouldn't rely on someone else to make us do something. But we can get them involved in the process like

Luke Sorensen: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's a beautiful way to look at it because it kind of takes the pressure off of them running a whip behind you because you are responsible for you and you take extreme ownership and you need to do hard things. I think the other concept is this. One of the benefits of accountability partner is to celebrate the wins. A lot times we look at the accountability partner as the taskmaster holding you accountable and they shouldn't have to do that. But also, hey, if you're doing little things, like Justin said, if all you can do is get to the gym and sit there for five minutes, we will celebrate with you.

Dustin Alley: Mmm. ⁓ there you go. Yeah.

Luke Sorensen: So I wanna encourage you, there's a thousand ways to do this, choose one. Find, man, ⁓ we work with a guy, ⁓ John Beasley, just he will change your world. I say we, Dustin does, I live vicariously through him, I do not yet, I should. ⁓

Dustin Alley: Absolutely. John Basely. yeah i worked very seriously through it that's funny ⁓ man

Luke Sorensen: Yeah, but, but John's a great, accountability, but he creates a way of like, celebrate the wins, find a community which you can celebrate wins. So for some of you, maybe that maybe that's on our podcast page on Facebook, where you're like, hey, I worked out today, I dare you put that there, we're gonna celebrate with you. Hey, that's great, especially if know, for some of you, if Dustin puts that on, be like, okay, what else did you do today? But for some of you, that's a big win, right? ⁓ Being able to do that. The funny thing happened this last week, and I'll close out with this and then Dustin can give his last thought, we'll be done.

Dustin Alley: Yeah. There you go. Yeah, absolutely.

Luke Sorensen: We were at this Maxwell conference and there's a lot that I've done on my personal business side where I work a job, have a normal, I'm a real person who works a real job, reports to real people and I'm not the boss, right? But I also do my own thing when it comes to leadership coaching and workshops and and I've been wanting to do more with it and I've done it for I call it a nonprofit Dustin because I've done it for I've not made any money at it. I've given I've done it for free for several churches. I've loved it. ⁓ And I've really enjoyed I have a hard time charging for it because I'm really loving it right. But my wife is here Monica and I she's listening this sometimes so it's funny because we went to this conference she got to be a part of it and she's kind of saw the opportunity of all this stuff. She's like Luke you're so natural at this.

Dustin Alley: That's funny.

Luke Sorensen: why aren't you doing more of this? This is like your world. I'm like, yeah, I know, but I have a real job. I gotta pay bills and I'm, anyway, all this stuff. So she started doing this thing every day. The last couple days, I've come home and she's like, hey, did you get a gig today? I didn't even try to get a gig today. It wasn't even my to-do list of stuff. But it's like this new thing. And I'm laughing because I'm like, man, I appreciate that because literally I am now thinking I've gotta go figure out a way to start getting these gigs together because she's gonna ask me. Not because she's annoying, but because she cares. She's right alongside me and she knows how passionate I am about it. So for her, she's like, you're not living to your full potential until you're doing this. Well, that changes how I look at it because now I'm now there's a little bit of conviction. There's a little bit of pain. There's a lot of clarity in the why, the how and the how can I? How can I be able to go do more? By the way, she does the same thing with my pull ups that I'm supposed to doing every day because we have a pull up bar in the room. There's just different things we do. She does the same thing about what I eat and what I drink, not because she's trying to be annoying, but because she loves me enough to challenge me. And we love you enough to challenge you and say, do what you're supposed to do when you're supposed to do it. And right now we've just called you out. We've thrown them down the gauntlet. The question is, what are you going to do with it? Dustin, wrap us up.

Dustin Alley: Yeah, man. Happy to. So, Luke, I think we should happily report back about the pull ups you've done the next time we record. I can't wait to hear about that. See, this is a positive. I'll celebrate the win with you and or and or and this is just because of I'm such a great guy. Relentlessly mock you for failing. Either way, I see it as a good night.

Luke Sorensen: Done. Done. Yeah. Yes. That's OK. I got got zero problems with that because here's my question. I'll tell you my pull ups as long as you tell me what Brussels sprouts and asparagus you've been eating.

Dustin Alley: ⁓ hang on. Hang on. All I'll eat vegetables. I'm gonna bust me and bro. That ain't happening. ⁓ I might even try the asparagus and my wife and kids actually love that one. But we'll see. We'll see. I love it, man. Guys, listen, here's the first thing I want to say and I probably should have said at the beginning, but thank you so much for listening. You're amazing. You encourage us every time we come on and get onto our software and we say, ⁓ look, people are still downloading. That's amazing. Because really this

Luke Sorensen: Okay, okay, sorry carry on.

Dustin Alley: This was something I was putting a lot of energy into for a long time. And Luke and I, January, we had to go into season two, but man, it's just been so much more natural. And you guys have been made it even better just by listening and telling your friends about us. And we've been getting a little feedback from people we know and some people we've met. And so what I want to ask you to do is just do that same thing. Would you share, would you tell people about it? We shut down the Facebook group. You can comment on our Facebook page. And this is something Luke and I are doing for And we we love you. We love investing in you. I know I talk very rough sometimes and apparently Luke's starting to adapt that. And so one of us is going to have to be nice. But but honestly, we want the best for you. And so that's why I wrote the book. I failed in a lot of ways and I wanted you to succeed off my failure. So read the book, listen to the podcast, tell some friends and who knows, Luke, maybe one day one day this would be oh, wow, how amazing would this be? And you guys listen. Luke and are always available to talk and to share and to come in and do leadership trainings and different things of that nature. We absolutely love it. Every time we do it, we have a good time. But what we do, we both have these regular lives where we're just not, we're not pouring into trying to get clients or customers. We're very good nonprofit people in that we do it for free. I will say just pay for my travel, pay for my food and I'm there. That's all I need. I don't even need, they call it an honorarium, I guess. I don't know. I don't need any of that. No, look.

Luke Sorensen: I don't know what that is. I know what travel is, so...

Dustin Alley: You give me, you give me decent travel. I'm not flying spirit. It's not happening guys. ⁓ I over frontier noted. Okay. Spirit of frontier. We're a little, there you go. Pay me to fly, pay for my food. Give me a rental car if I need it. Give me a place to stay. And I'm going to come in and preach and teach and talk forever because I just love doing it. And, and I absolutely love every moment of it. So thanks guys for being an amazing, amazing audience. And, ⁓ you know, we, we, we should work on being able to connect more with you through an, ⁓

Luke Sorensen: or frontier. Both of those are out. Well, you could pay me to fly them, but you know, it's getting so no, couldn't.

Dustin Alley: a Facebook group or something. again, Luke and I are just, that's not our gig. And so if you're a person listening to this and you've listened this long, thank you. ⁓ but, and you're like, I like running and I like posting on social. I can interact with guys and I'd love to be a part of that. Let's just throw it out there. Hey, email me Ali one two three zero at iCloud.com. Let's talk. Let's just see if you can come in and, and you can't do worse than I did trying to do it. Okay. ⁓ and so I'd love for you to, to be a part of All right. All guys. Hey, listen, have a great week. We will get more content out to you here soon. You're going to see some different things popping up as I'm trying some new content stuff and things I want to kind of lean into with body, body Bible business. And that's really the holistic living. Luke is always welcome to share the stuff he's got going on with Monica, his wife, they're doing some podcasting and Adrian. ⁓ man. I can't wait for us to put that out. Adrian has got 10 episodes deep right now and we just haven't launched it yet.

Luke Sorensen: Yeah, this is exciting.

Dustin Alley: You're going to get to hear Adrian as he goes through the Bible with immense perspective and who knows prayerfully one day we'll take all the transcripts and we will turn it into something amazing because I know Adrian's doing such a great job with that. And so guys, we love you. Have a great day, night, afternoon. I don't know whichever one you need to hear right now. Have that. All right. We'll talk to you soon.