Ann Marie Hines: also like to know. I don't know. So here's another thing that I'm very ⁓ Matthew Brooks: Yes. I snuck in, by the way, we're recording. Okay. Ann Marie Hines: I know we're recording, but I feel strongly about this. I don't know what to wear when the weather changes. And that's also stressful for me. I know what you're talking about. I know. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. mean, we're talking about other stuff and I had like some things keyed up, but maybe this episode is going to be therapy attire. How do you dress as a therapist with me wearing a Super Nintendo hoodie on right now? Ann Marie Hines: The lake. I'm leggings with pocket. I know, I did get jeans recently though and everybody's like, Ann you look great. I was like, thanks, I'm wearing jeans. Matthew Brooks: That's all you own. Thanks, I washed my hair. Ann Marie Hines: Thanks. I put on jeans today. ow. So anyway, but like when it gets hot, I am a all fall and winter. I'm like, yes, like hoodies, cardigans, sweaters, love. I can be that's I live in it. And then like summer hits them like, ⁓ it's so nice. And that's what happens. There's no fucking spring anymore. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It's winter and then summer. Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: We just jumped back and forth for a while. And then it's 80 degrees. And I'm like, what do I put on my body? What does a 41 year old woman put on her body to go to work? But also I can wear whatever I want. So like I'm hot all the time. I wanna just wear a sweatshirt. I had a sweatshirt on, I walked downstairs. I was like, it's hot out. I'm gonna die today. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yep. Am I, am I going? Yeah. Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: So that's pretty stressful. Not the fact that the world almost exploded and Trump almost started a war. No, I'm just hot. And I just don't want to be hot all day. And I want to have something to put on. I'm avoiding. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Yeah. Is it weather or is it perimenopause, right? Both. Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: both. No, like, so great, great question. Yes to both, but the reality is that I've always run hot. Like, you know how, like, everybody is always cold. Like, my girlfriends and stuff are always like, we're going up to my camp this weekend, girlfriend and I and our kids and whatever. And they're like, ⁓ I remember when we up there last time, like, it's so cold inside, like, I'm going to pack layers. I'm like, Matthew Brooks: ⁓ I do too. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: I'm hot all the time. I'm hot in the winter, I'm hot in the summer. I'm never... ⁓ Like the idea of a big comforter in a sweat... I love to be in a sweatshirt, but I don't wear a coat and I am not cold. Hot. Matthew Brooks: Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and that's the other thing is like, then when you have a kid and you're like, are they supposed to be wearing a jacket? Because they're fine. I'm fine. But then the grandma at the daycare that I'm dropping my child off at, they're like, ⁓ my gosh, it's so cold out that they need a jacket on. And I'm like, no, they're fine. Ann Marie Hines: ⁓ my gosh. ⁓ yeah! ⁓ It was my aunt's 98th birthday the other day and we went and celebrated her and we had this party and she's obsessed with children wearing socks. She's like, none of them are wearing socks. Like your kids aren't wearing socks. And I was like, it's summer. I don't know. And it was cold that day, but also I'm not going to argue with, I'm not, I'm not wearing socks. I'm wearing Crocs cause it was warm yesterday. I don't know what to do. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. ⁓ yeah. Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: Yeah, but you assume that your kids are feeling what you are. Always. Like I'm packing for this trip and I'm like, well, they're gonna be hot. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: That's insane, actually. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Parenting tips. Ann Marie Hines: and don't take them from us. Matthew Brooks: Yeah, I got. Ann Marie Hines: and give them what you want to do. Matthew Brooks: Yeah, you smoke, they smoke, right? ⁓ Do you want to hear a news headline that I came across yesterday? Ann Marie Hines: Same slurjet. No, I mean, I can't stand another fucking news headline, but yeah Matthew Brooks: this one you're going to love. ⁓ Starting on April 26th, Utah ⁓ has passed legislation to now allow a pilot program ⁓ to prescribe psychiatric medication via AI chat bot. Ann Marie Hines: Shut the fuck up. So you started with Utah and I was already really anxious and then Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: Matt, I can't handle this today. So I just want to share with you and all of the listeners, I've got a couple things on my plate. I can't deal with the state of the world. I'm doing my best to support my clients. And if fucking people are getting medication from a chat bot, I'm, I'm Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: I'm gonna move to the woods. Matthew Brooks: The mountains are calling, I must go. Ann Marie Hines: The mountains are calling. I gotta get out of here. I just gotta get out of here. Wait. No. That's not how. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So. Ann Marie Hines: I fully want to stick my head in the sand until this nightmare is over. But then I'm gonna bring my head back up and there's gonna be fucking nothing left. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Yeah. Your head will be there, but the rest is skeleton, right? So that was a fun, that was a fun fact that I saw the psychiatric medication given they're like, ⁓ this is just to renew faster prescriptions for things that like doctors have already prescribed. So it is just like renewing and re-up. was like, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah. Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: Well, this is a fun one. Isn't that scary? Like... No, my kid can do things on my phone that I and they never have my phone We were just talking about that and they're capable of like accessing like I'm like, what are you buying? You've had it for two seconds and I don't know how to do that. I feel like this isn't safe. I Am angry about that Let's just add it to the list. I had a conversation. had a conversation the other day with a human that I'm not very fond of and They were like Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so. Ann Marie Hines: Well, all of the research shows, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, are you on chat, GBT? Turns out. Matthew Brooks: That sounds like chat GPT. Ann Marie Hines: like chat for me to hear. Can we stop? Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: Anyway, do you want to talk about gardening or something? ⁓ Matthew Brooks: Gardening is a great one for everything that I've been dealing with with clients for this week. And like you mentioned it earlier, so that's the gateway to talking about this. But everybody's like, ⁓ gardening. Yeah, I want to grow stuff and garden. But at the same time, we might be going into World War Three. So why bother? Right. And people. Yeah. And it's like, ⁓ should I pay my electric bill? Why? Why? Ann Marie Hines: Because we may need food. Matthew Brooks: Is it going to be there? Right. And it's just like, as a therapist trying to one live in the doom and gloom and also help others with the doom and gloom of like, Hey, do square box breathing exercises to help navigate this. And it's just like fucking hell. Like, I don't know, man. Ann Marie Hines: Wear box breathing girl. Because then is everybody breathing like can we just. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: do a quick check. So in the car, my kids and I do, I often have multiple children in the car, like my niece and nephew might be with me, whatever. So we do, and it's like three seats, like it's a giant. So I'm like, you know, Liam, you here? Like I'm doing roll call. And so now they just do it every time we're in the car, like it started off. And the other day, my son, who's going to be three at the end of April. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: He was like, no, I'm not here. Matthew Brooks: Yeah Ann Marie Hines: And I was like, you know what? Same kind of like this is this isn't a good check in today. None of us are present. Let's drive to the zoo. Yeah. But yeah, I really connect. And when he said that, he like threw his little head back and I was like, box breathing isn't cutting it, man. I'm just not present. I'm just. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just like, what are we doing? Yeah. What are we doing? Yeah. Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: I'm gonna need to check out for a little bit. I'll come back in. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. And that, mean, that's what, I think that's what we're all feeling is just like having clients who are coming in and like crisis with external stuff. And it's just, I'm like, okay, let's focus on our bubble. Like what, what can we control? You know? And, and like, that's all. So we're just going to tend to our garden. That's it. Ann Marie Hines: Yeah, I see that. But isn't it? Isn't that feeling so overwhelming though? Because, ⁓ I think I sent it to her, my ex sister-in-law, or maybe she sent it to me. I think I sent it to her. But anyways, it was like, so when do we like not have to go to work anymore? Like when, like, am I just going to show up one day and be mad that everybody else knew? it's different for- Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: our job, like, you know, like when can we stop? Like you said, like, do I, should I pay my electric bill? Should I pay my taxes? I don't know. I mean, the answer everybody is yes, I guess. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. saw... Yeah, yeah, it's pay it. But ⁓ I did see one where it was a post and it said like Iranian hackers ⁓ are threatening to take down like the America's credit and debt consolidation. And then they said... Ann Marie Hines: ⁓ yeah. Matthew Brooks: So do you need all nine of my security numbers or just the last four of my digits? And I was like, yes. I probably did, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: Yeah. I he's I think he said that to me like here Here you go. Take it. I don't know what to do. Do you know what to do? I'm so I Was on the phone with my sister and we were facetiming because her kids wanted to face dead It was like I Don't know it was like 6 p.m. And my kids were at their dad's house and I was talking to my nephew and I didn't even realize it, but I was just eating my son's giant chocolate bunny. Because let's all be honest, he does not need it. He does not need sugar. And he's it's out of his brain. He has like eight chocolate bunnies. Everybody got one. So I like was eating it and it came up into the screen and my 15 year old lucky was like, are you eating a chocolate bunny in your pajamas? Matthew Brooks: nice. Hahaha Yeah. Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: And I was like, yeah, check yourself. How, like, what are you doing? Like you're... I'm an adult. I am coping. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is adult money. Ann Marie Hines: What? ⁓ This is... Matthew Brooks: This is what you can do. This is what you can look forward to Yeah, yeah There was another one that I saw and it said Only people that had traumatic childhoods would understand my humor Ann Marie Hines: One day you'll understand. Matthew Brooks: Because, and then they said like, I would make a joke or something and some people were like, ⁓ that's really dark. like, I don't think you're supposed to say that. It's like, ⁓ you are on talking terms with both your parents then. Like you. And I was like, okay, great. I see you. Yeah, yeah. Ann Marie Hines: I see you. We might not be the same. Yeah, mean it. My favorite, my favorite line when someone tells me I'm funny. Like, yeah, it's a coping skill. It's the trauma. And I'm hilarious. Anyways, so wait, I do want to, I do want to. Matthew Brooks: You Yep, it's the trauma. Yeah. Or what is it? Maybe she's born with it. Maybe it's sertraline. Ann Marie Hines: I do want to talk about something today because it is related to therapy and dealing with all this shit. like, I don't know if this happens for you, but it happens for me anytime that and this is part of the reason that I was drawn to art therapy. That I went into art therapy. It was because my neighbor Matthew Brooks: Hey! Ann Marie Hines: offered me a space, she was an artist, she offered me a space growing up that when I got off the bus for school at her house or walked up to her house after school, she had a little art studio and she actually had a whole barn that was like a pottery studio. And she was just like, do whatever you want. And I was like, hell yeah, I will. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: And it was an escape and it was never like a judgment. Like anyways, this was the inspiration when I found out about art therapy, because I was helpful then. But oftentimes in my life, when things feel stressful or overwhelming, personally or the world, which I've got both going on right now. Thanks, everybody. ⁓ I am like the creative juices start igniting. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: Like, I need to make something and... Matthew Brooks: Mm-hmm. Ann Marie Hines: I think all artists can relate to that, like that it's like, oh, we don't like we're stuck. We're not like we're not in a craze. And then all of a sudden it's like, gotta make it today. I gotta paint today. Got it. Got an idea. And you're just like, but anyways, I have realized throughout the years that that spark is really closely related to me working through something that I feel like I don't have control over. And Matthew Brooks: Yep. Yes, yeah. Ann Marie Hines: because of everything that's going on in the world, but also that's going on personally for me, last night I was out in my driveway, like again, in my pajamas, and I'm taking apart an old painting to, I talked to you about wanting to do this. Like, yeah, last night, cause last night I was like, gotta do it right now. do it right now. Matthew Brooks: Yeah, I think you posted some of it. Yeah. Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: And I was out in my driveway, like ripping off the backing and redoing the frame and like painting the matting. And then I loved your suggestion when we did talk about it. And I was like, I'm gonna take it to the studio today and I'm gonna add in like the mad hatter and like whatever. I don't know if I'm actually gonna get to that today, but anyways, I stopped mid doing it and I was like, oh, I did have to do this tonight because I did feel Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: So there were so many things that were outside of my control that I can't predict right now that I'm kind of left in this like, I was like, well, I guess I'm going to do art. And it really is helpful. Like, it's really, really grounding for me. And I guess it was just this reminder of like, this is I so believe in the work that we do. And this is why I do it, teach it, talk about it, preach it. Matthew Brooks: Hmm? Yeah. Mm-hmm. Ann Marie Hines: Like, because when it is outside of control, the art is a place to kind of bring that back, but also show you what you need. ⁓ And it was hilarious because I was standing outside. Good thing I don't have that many neighbors, but the one neighbor that can see me is probably like, what's she doing? She's back outside. She's outside. The music's really loud. What's happening? Matthew Brooks: She's back at it again. She's out in the driveway again Yeah, she's smashing something. Ann Marie Hines: I wasn't smashing, but I was. There's a big rectangle of paint in my driveway that'll probably be there for, I don't know, eight years. Matthew Brooks: Yep. That's the new square. Ann Marie Hines: That's... we'll make a game out of it. I don't know. So anyway. Matthew Brooks: I totally agree with you with that same thing of like, shit's going on, like that's just out of control and now I just need to... escape almost and find that creative spot where it is like, I'm going to go to the world of imagination, you know, and just be there because I know that's safe. I know I can explore it. Even if I don't make anything, I'm going to get like, and I get frustrated or whatever. It's a catharsis that is released and it's funny having especially adult clients who start art therapy and They're like, ⁓ well, I don't. And we've talked about this before, but it's like, I can't make art, or I don't, don't. do art or anything like that. But then you have them sit there and they're talking and you know, I'll have model magic or I'll have the stuff sitting out. And all of sudden they're just like scribbling, like coloring in a blank sheet, right? They're just like doing something with the art. And then afterwards they're like, that was, that was great. You know, I was like, that's art therapy. You know, here's, here's the magic reveal, right? And they're like, Whoa, okay. Like, Ann Marie Hines: . you Matthew Brooks: I'm like, yeah, that's what it is. That's the language. That's the expression. That's how to get it out. I do like, ⁓ I want to go back to the person, like your neighbor who had you work in the art studio in that space and everything, because I also had an art space growing up ⁓ when I was a... Ann Marie Hines: Good Matthew Brooks: living in, I moved, in like the home I grew up in. ⁓ there, it was on the same property as my grandfather. So like it was a little farm and they were on one end and then we were on the other end. And I would walk down and he had this little red barn studio that ⁓ he would always be making art in and everything. So he's the one that like taught me how to make art and everything like that. And then later in years, he did end up getting cancer. And then like there was, you know, there's 14 kids in that family, there was a rotation and everything. But around that time, he couldn't move that much. He was getting tired and everything. And so then he wrote poetry, and they had it published. yeah. So the front picture of the book is... Ann Marie Hines: That's awesome. you have that right there. Matthew Brooks: ⁓ I was like digging through some of the books and everything and I and I had it pulled up previously ⁓ But yeah, that's that's the art studio for everybody listening ⁓ There's like the little book of a poetry that my grandfather wrote but on the front end is the little red barn art studio that he had that ⁓ I would go down and tinker in and Make all kinds of art. Yeah, so and there's some of his like artwork in here as well because he was Ann Marie Hines: Matt, I love that so much. Matthew Brooks: By day, his trade was a welder for Duquesne Light. So then he would be, he made a lot of metal sculptures out of scrap and everything. I gotta find one in here. But yeah, there was. Ann Marie Hines: love the stories of the people that shape us and ⁓ that's the raccoon. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. So that's all metal. That's like, yeah. So you made like cut up just some wiring and everything and made it like a little raccoon picture. And yeah, there's a whole bunch of different stuff with that. yeah. Yeah. Like like talking about the people who inspired you or kind of ingratiated you with a skill set doesn't have to be art, but like thinking and talking about some of that too. Ann Marie Hines: That's very good. And this is another... Yeah, so your story... So funny that we have a same... Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: Well, that makes sense. We're somehow connected throughout all lives. ⁓ But anyways, this is also a reminder that I give myself navigating all of this, like divorce custody stuff with kids, but also that I've always given parents when working with kids is like, the environment in which a kid is Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: raised, it doesn't have to be perfect. You just need like really one or a few strong adults. And those adults don't have to be perfect either. like, so my neighbor growing up who was my everything, you know, I wouldn't say she was perfect. She was hilarious. Like, Matthew Brooks: Mm. Yeah. Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: actually would say she was pretty close to perfect. But anyways, like, but not in her life, you know what I mean? But that is if I go back to childhood memories, that is where my brain, I come back to consistency. And I do believe that I know that that was an inspiration of for what I do for a living. But it's also somebody who really shaped who I am. She had solid morals and always told me that like, Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: Yeah, whatever you believe or wanna wear, wanna do or whatever, that's cool. And she was also kind of a like women are smarter, stronger, whatever. And I ⁓ was like, that's awesome. I mean, she had a giant sculpture. She had giant nude sculptures all over her yard and in her house. And I was just like, I was just like, you know, five, six year old, younger. I mean, I was there all the time. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. That's awesome. Ann Marie Hines: And those were just normal. And she was like, isn't that beautiful? And I was like, yeah. Like what's, do people have issues with these? anyways, there was just so much that she taught me through the art and her artwork. And I was like, okay, so that is so shaped me. And people looking in would be like, What? Like your neighbor or your grandfather or whatever. that's adult clients and kid clients alike. Like I always hear that. Like there's a person and she wasn't the only person like. And I think that. Those people would be like my ⁓ guidance counselor in high school, huge influence, like wonderful person, still wonderful person. ⁓ We still have like somewhat of a connection through my parents and whatever. But I think that if those people were to hear how much of an influence they are, they'd be like, really? Because it happens to me, I don't know if it happens to you as a therapist, like ⁓ I had a client that I saw when they were little. I didn't see them for like six or seven years and they came back and they were in college and they contacted me and they were like, and they were telling me about like, ⁓ and I remember you did this and I remember when you, and I was like, what? Dude, I remember you like, Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: Like, I remember being like, you destroyed my whole studio. But I let you. I let you do that. But to them, it was such a significant experience and it's what brought them back to a safe space. And it's like, wow, all of these things are so connected. I could keep going. Like, I do think that the energy that we're given, but it doesn't take a perfect life. just takes like those strong influences that we connect with. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. you know, I, especially working in the hospital, like I, I've had kids, you know, grow up and become teenagers or off to college and they would come back because if it was like a chronic health thing or whatever it might be, and then they would say, like, do you remember when we made like a huge mess in the room or in the playroom or studio and you know, like we would have gotten in trouble or whatever it would have been. And it's like, I can't believe we got away with that. And you allowed this space to, even though it is the hospital and there's rules and you have to follow like sanitary precautions and everything, like you can't get, you know, paint on the IV line. ⁓ There's, there was a part of it of like, we are bending or breaking the rules and it wasn't perfect. And that's what stuck with them of like, we made it work no matter what. the rules or restrictions were. We were able to adapt and fit something in there that really stuck with them of like, ⁓ yeah, like this is years later and they're like, I remember when we did this thing, right? And that shaped it, yeah. Ann Marie Hines: You were given us Yeah, when you give someone a space to just be themselves and freely create and without judgment or direction or you know ⁓ at any point in our life, that's actually It rare isn't the right word, but it's not you know I think that there's really good educators and really good people that try and provide that but it's hard when you have so many kids in the classroom and it's hard when you have multiple children and it's hard when you need to get your day, like, but having a space to freely just be like, do your thing. It was, it's so impactful for us to provide our clients and patients like you were talking about, but for also this, because you and I, sounds like we got to experience that. And at a very young age understood the importance of that. And so it makes it so much easier for me to be like, do your thing. kids, my daughter looked. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mm. Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: There's so firstborn secondborn. She's like, it's like, may I take my Easter grass out mom of my basket? And meanwhile, my son's like, and I was, yeah. And I was like, well, your brother's already doing it. So like, I don't know if you're trying to like, perform as the good kid or. Matthew Brooks: Hahaha Yeah. Yeah, I think I ate some of this. Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: This is just who you are at a core. You are a Gemini. You're confusing sometimes. ⁓ Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: But I was like, yeah, you like look at the floor. It's covered in shit already. And they had so much fun. did take a little video of it and they were just like throwing the grass and throwing it and like whatever. And I was just drinking my coffee and it was actually peaceful because nobody was trying to argue with anybody about anything or like control. I was just like, this is fine. My niece and nephew are about to be here and also destroy the house. But you need a space to do that just like you were given, just like you were talking about with your patient, but also just like, you know, we were given, just like do your thing. Matthew Brooks: Mm-hmm. I've said that a lot to parents too, during sessions and everything. if we are providing that space for kids, and if parents are like, they're yelling all the time in the house, they're... jumping off of stuff and everything. I was like, great, good job. And they're like, what do you mean? I'm like, you are providing a space for that kid to have a voice to play and run and be that. if, if they did not feel safe enough to yell and scream and have a voice, they wouldn't be doing that. Right. Ann Marie Hines: Yeah. Yeah, but then you also find yourself as a parent because I was saying this the other day I found this dinosaur I shouldn't have things anyway I found myself saying that I was like To my daughter. I was like girl. You gotta stop screaming. You just have to stop you stop it right now and she was like she was like why and I was like cuz it is bothering me mommy is over stimulated and she's like what's bothering Matthew Brooks: You Yeah, there's boundaries to it Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: And I was like, what your brother does to you all the time, it's happening to mom and mommy's going to lose her mind. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what we call structure. Right. You can play and scream, but then there's a time to stop. Ann Marie Hines: was like you got she was just like for no reason she was like vocal stimming which I get cuz it's like when that song pops into your head and you're like like Pink Pony Cop you're like and it's just like comes out of your brain you're like well that was a little bit of a and I was like girl I get what you need to do right now but it needs to stop or or you're gonna go outside and just scream somewhere else like in this moment I understand why my parents sent me outside all day Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Yeah. Yes, yes. Like don't come back till the sun sets kind of a thing. Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: I fully get that. I might support that when they're older. I mean, I'm not gonna... Matthew Brooks: Yeah, yeah, especially because like thinking about it back then, like us millennials and growing up in like the nineties and stuff, I can reflect on me running around the house, vocal stimming and screaming like berries and cream from the starburst commercial. And like all these movie quotes and TV commercial quotes, we were just vocal stimming around the neighborhood. Ann Marie Hines: Get out. I won't lock the door on them. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: not naming any names. I won't say you can't come back inside, but I will be like, go, go outside, be free. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Yeah, be free. Yeah. I think I saw a deer out in the yard. Why don't you go catch it? Ann Marie Hines: Oh my gosh, they would. That's the scary thing. My son would actually come back and I'd be like, look, the turkeys are back and he would come back holding one in his hand, like by the neck. He'd like, got it. And I'd be like, shit, you did. You did. Good job. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You Yeah, he'd come back riding the deer, be like, mother, this is Herbert. He is my friend now. Ann Marie Hines: He's part of the family and I'd be like, you know what? You're right. Matthew Brooks: Yep. Yeah. Now we have a deer. Ann Marie Hines: I guess we have to take him in now. ⁓ Now we have a deer. Yeah, anyway, that's crazy. We had a topic. You had a topic? Did you have a topic? Matthew Brooks: Yeah, I mean, was talking about the AI stuff. the other one, if we're talking about vocal stimming or vocal stuff, what do you think about? Because I saw a take on the therapist voice. If a therapist is falling back into a very proper, you know, Ann Marie Hines: ⁓ that's the upload. Matthew Brooks: voice, then sometimes it comes off as disingenuous for people who have been like manipulated in their childhood. And then they call bullshit on that. So it's like, what, what's your take on having an authenticity in the sessions and having like a therapist voice, right? Yeah, I know your answer already. Ann Marie Hines: ⁓ yeah. You know my are you. No. I have never had a therapist voice. I am in case I am in. I would just like to make it known even though it already is. I am incapable of the therapist voice. My sister and my nephew and I make fun of her now because now he's 15 and we can like team up. Well. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. A little triangulation on your sister. Ann Marie Hines: aunt nephew bonding. Her phone voice, ⁓ my god. I, drives me nuts. When she talks to me, it's like mean. It's like, when then she'll pick up the phone and she'll be like, hey, it's Mary, how are you? And we'll both like, my nephew and I will be in the background like, hey, it's Mary. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. ⁓ yeah, yes. Yeah. Yeah. Hahaha Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: How's your day going? Like, shut up. ⁓ She's listened to a single episode, but I'm gonna send her a clip of that and be like, it bothers me so much that I'm letting the world know. Just kidding. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. ⁓ that's going to be the Instagram clip. Like, hi, Mary. This is. Ann Marie Hines: Hey, it's Chris. Hey, it's Mary. How are you? But like the thing is, like everybody does it. But I, I don't have, I don't, I don't, it's not that I don't have the capability of putting the professional hat on, but I don't have the, I don't see any point in presenting ⁓ professional. I mean, that's so weird. I do present professionally. You have seen me, you have. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: Watched me do presentations. I am very capable of doing that but I'm not like changing my tone or my person or Why would anybody want to come see a therapist that seems like they that that? They don't feel like they can go grab a coffee with is my Take why would you go and that's just me? maybe other people might and do feel differently, but I Matthew Brooks: Absolutely. Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: I don't want to see a therapist who I wouldn't be comfortable hanging out with. I have boundaries, I'm not gonna ask him to hang out, but I want the vibe of this is cool, you are a human, I'm a human, there's not a judgment, there's not a I know what's going on with everything. No I don't, like I don't know what to wear today because the weather's different. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Yeah. I'm sweaty. Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: Let's just be honest. I'm sweating and I don't know what to do about it, but I can help you with some things. And I so like I don't I don't I don't like that. I don't I don't respond to that. I've I've had a couple of therapists throughout my adult life. The one I have right now I've had for a really long time and I just digger. Oh, my gosh. I had deja vu and it was wild shit. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: Anyway. had her for really long time and I like her. But like I've gone into other people's offices and been like. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: Really? I even told you as a therapist and you're still doing this? Or maybe that made it worse? I don't know. I'm not gonna hang out. I gotta go find a better fit after we talk for an hour. Matthew Brooks: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. mean, another one that's like really funny is like when you do walk into like a therapist office and they present, you know, this, typical stigma of like they're on high, you know, they're supremely intelligent or whatever. it's just like, yeah, I have books in my office. Have I read them? No. Right. And it's just like, ⁓ yeah, those books never read them. Right. Ann Marie Hines: Hahaha! Wait, wait, wait, wait. Do you remember her? ⁓ I've some books, I've read both books in my office, but guess what? I read, guess what? ⁓ The book that I have in my office that clients see the most and ask about the most and get off the shelf the most and every single time I go, should I have that there? Matthew Brooks: I've read a book. You Ann Marie Hines: But then I'm like, yeah, ⁓ I should. ⁓ Were you with me at WIPPIC when the patient gifted me two astrology books? Giant. Yeah, don't think that you, I think that it was actually Taylor who was an intern before you. And she now works at my practice. She's awesome. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. I've seen the astrology books, yeah. Ann Marie Hines: She's accepting new clients, everybody. Taylor's great. Maybe we should have Taylor, anyways. Maybe we should have all the therapists from the office. Anyway, this patient gifted me, we don't do, obviously, like we don't do gifts or whatever. They had their family members bring them. Matthew Brooks: Hey, hi Taylor. We could do a roundtable. Ann Marie Hines: to a visitation and then had another staff leave them on my desk when they were discharged. Like there was, I couldn't, they're mine. Like I was like, okay. And it was crazy because we never really even talked about astrology. Like what happens on most psych units, it comes up. Matthew Brooks: fun. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: And every, and I forget what sign they were, but there was a discussion one day about like, Anne's a Scorpio, Scorpios are blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And we were just, it was a discussion and they mentioned in that group, like, oh, I have the best books. So anyway, she gifts them to me, they're like this thick. And I have them on my shelf at the office and they are the best books. Matthew Brooks: Yes. Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: There one that does your like pretty much like your like birth chart and you can read like every birthday. And then there's one where you pair up people as far as like friendships and relationships and clients will see it and pull it off the shelf and clients that know about it. They'll be in session talking about like, well, I'm dating this new guy, which obviously comes up all the time. They're like, should like when to look at that book. And I was like, OK, same. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: I have a date tonight, should I look at it? Should I ask them their birthday before we go out? Or are they going to be like, ⁓ you're crazy? Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: And I'll be like, true, actually, it's just for fun. ⁓ But anyways, I don't really have a date tonight. That was just a joke. But I just so you know, personally. ⁓ But yeah, I think that that's like that's the book I have. And it's not even I am not telling my clients that that's real. But like it is real that I have it. That's the story why it's there. And I do think it's fun. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: So like that's me as a human, it's not going anywhere. Matthew Brooks: It's always interesting what clients gravitate towards because yeah, like we do think about like decorations and things like that and what would be in the office and like you talked about the dollhouse in your office and how people gravitate towards that in the astrology books and you know, mine were always like I had a little like wood sculpted rhino that somebody like traveled to Africa and they brought back and they it was like a gift and ⁓ Everybody always picks it up. They're like, well, what is this and they're like looking at it and that's like the one thing they tend to pick up Yeah, there's all these like different little tchotchke things that it's interesting like once you have them out like what people gravitate towards Ann Marie Hines: ⁓ yeah, I have model magic characters and we've talked about how much I love those. I have them lining the whole top of my like art shelf and then they've expanded. They're everywhere. And now, we don't even talk about them and we'll be making something in session and just the other day a client was like, well, I want to add this to the collection. And I was like, cool. Like that sounds great. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ you've noticed the collection. Ann Marie Hines: Yeah, it's so normal to me and then I'm like, I guess it is really obvious that there's shit everywhere. Matthew Brooks: You know, it's your response of like, ⁓ you can see that too. Okay. Ann Marie Hines: ⁓ yeah. I guess it does make sense that I'm an art therapist. Do you ever have that experience? We should talk about that. Like, ⁓ I have this happen to me in several areas, but like, sometimes I'll be like wearing something like I love overalls and I in the in the overall season and I love and people will be like, Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: Like I will walk in, and again, we're talking about my sister a lot today, but I'll like walk in and she'll be like, you look like a hippie. You look like you're dressed like an art therapist. And I'll look down and I'll be like, I really didn't think I am. Like this is just what I wanted to wear today. And then I'm like, I guess it is obvious because I'm wearing flowy butterfly overalls. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: with pockets, yeah, I guess that checks out, you know? Or like you walk into my house, like I'm looking, I can't turn my phone because I have it taped up per usual. But there's dried flowers hanging from above my kitchen sink, like multiple types of dried flowers. And then like a little handmade yarn thing. And. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: guess that says something, but as I'm like existing, I'm like that's normal. People wouldn't walk into my house and think that I'm artsy and I was like, yeah, they would. Matthew Brooks: You Yeah Ann Marie Hines: I fit the stereotype. It happens to me culturally too, because I'll be talking about something that my family's doing or something that I think is a norm and people will be like, are you Italian? And I'll be like, yeah. Do you guys not plan your whole day around what you're eating? And do you not all show up to the hospital when there's a baby? Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Yeah. You Ann Marie Hines: for hours, could we do? I thought that was normal. Anyways, that happens with like being a therapist too. just had dinner with somebody the other day that I walked away and I was like, it was really obvious that I was validating feelings and being a therapist. But it just happens in our everyday life. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Very much so. And some of it, I tend to, it's funny that I'm wearing this sweatshirt, but I like patterns. Ann Marie Hines: We don't mean food. Matthew Brooks: And like I have multiple like shirts that are like floral prints like crazy patterns and everything. And you know, I'll wear it and I've had several clients walk in and we go, yeah, that fits like that's you. That's your vibe. That's yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm like, it's just a shirt. And they're like, no. Ann Marie Hines: Yeah, and I'm like, I guess it is. Matthew Brooks: Not everybody would wear that shirt. Ann Marie Hines: Yeah, this is the perfect example of you don't realize how, I mean, if we're talking about authenticity, like you don't realize how you like really do project who you are. You can't, you can't mask it as much as you think or as much as people think. But anyways, I mean, you can't, whatever. That's a whole different story. But anyway, my, my best friend, one of my best friend's birthdays is today. And this is the text I got this morning after I sent her a text completely unrelated to her birthday. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: She said to me, hey, I'm just letting you know it is my birthday today. So when you remember later, you don't have a whole mental breakdown that you forgot my birthday. Matthew Brooks: Yes. Ann Marie Hines: And I was like... Matthew Brooks: Yeah, yes. And also, happy birthday. Ann Marie Hines: Correct. And I was like, and I was like, thank you. Happy birthday. Love you. And she's like, love you. We'll talk later. Cause and I was like, man, I love my friends because they don't need, I, uh, yeah, that is who I am. I'm just going to start a conversation with you and I am not going to remember your birthday. I don't remember anybody's birthdays. I don't remember my birthday. I don't remember them. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Yeah, they know me. Mm-hmm. Agreed. Agreed. You just reminded me, like, my childhood best friend's birthday was six days ago. Ann Marie Hines: I don't remember. Huh? Yeah, I don't remember. Like, what is that? That should be studied. But I love when people see you like that. They're like, don't freak out later whenever you when this hits you or in two days. Like, we're good. But like, OK, thank you. I won't. ⁓ But I don't remember birthdays. Like, fuck anniversaries of anything. Nothing. ⁓ Just dates. don't like what is that? I don't. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: It doesn't compute in my head, but some dates I'll never lose. Matthew Brooks: Yeah, that's called ADHD. ⁓ Well, thinking about that and thinking about... Ann Marie Hines: We have to have a whole episode on diagnosing ourselves because I have so much to say. There's so much to say about. Matthew Brooks: ⁓ my gosh. Yes. Ann Marie Hines: Anyways, go ahead. Matthew Brooks: Yeah, that'll be another episode. ⁓ No, it just reminded me because we were talking like I was talking about my shirts and you were talking about your overalls and everything. Are we just like Miss Frizzle just like wearing crazy shit and showing up and like, hey, kids, let's go on this adventure. Like, do you think Miss Frizzle remembered birthdays? I don't think she did. Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: WHA- I hope so, gosh. No, no, because she was elite. She was, she knew what mattered. Matthew Brooks: Right? Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: Oh my gosh, I do think that I didn't, I don't like, didn't view my, okay, story time again. I posted a picture of, I got to go to my daughter's school and read Moon Magic and it was like the coolest thing ever. But she was so excited and her classmates were like asking the question, they're four and five, like it was just the best thing. I posted a picture of it and actually, She worked with us at WIPI. Anyways, made a comment and she's like, the picture of you reading brings back so many memories. And I laughed because I was like, same. But I am making a crazy face. Me, and then I was thinking back to like, Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: I was remembering what she was remembering as far as me like interacting with the kiddos at that, in that space and other spaces. And I was like the crazy art, like perfect. Yeah. And I was like, Hey everybody, like we're doing this today. Are we not like super pumped? Like you guys ready? Like, and then I remembered like, ⁓ Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Miss Frizzle, the art of, like the art Miss Frizzle. Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: I was thinking about my mom too, because she was an elementary teacher. And I hear stories from her kids that she taught, who were like my age and older, of like her. And I was like, ⁓ yeah, you do tell stories about like that person that impacted you, but that was like a little bit nutty. Like the teacher that was like a little bit like would jump up on the desk to get your attention or like use voices to tell the story. And I was like, ⁓ I was that. I am that, I am her. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: And then I was like, am my mother. And then I was like, shit, we have a lot to work through today, Carol, when we're on our therapy session. Sorry, that was a lot of bouncing around. ⁓ I don't know how that started, but I do know that we're almost at time and we have a couple announcements. Matthew Brooks: Yeah Yes. Yes, I was literally going to jump to that next. So hard pivot. We're going to be wrapping up. But first announcement is we have successfully, we'll see, launched our YouTube channel. So we have most of the older recorded. podcasts ⁓ up on video and You guys are invited to check that out. It's on YouTube at our therapy and process podcast We'll probably link it down below in the doobly-doo Yeah Yeah So, I don't know do we have to do that like don't forget to like and subscribe? Ann Marie Hines: It's already linked on the Instagram. What you just did. Like and subscribe it. ⁓ I know nothing about YouTube. I know we both forgot that it was going live and then it did. And then I was like, ha ha, there's my face. Which is always a fun adventure. But there it is. Like it's you can watch the videos you can now see whenever we're laughing at each other because I dropped my phone or whatever the hell is going on. ⁓ And there will now be coming out per episode like our new episodes of Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: The podcasts are aired on Fridays though the new episodes of the videos will be on YouTube Whenever whenever we decide that's gonna be this just happened. We don't like per usual. We're figuring it out So that's happening like and subscribe it just subscribe and then you can watch us be Chaotic in person and it's kind of fun Matthew Brooks: And watch Anne play with her hair and say, what's wrong with my hair? And now you get it. Ann Marie Hines: It's not in my hair. Or like get distracted by a dinosaur, which I did earlier. They are very cool. Anyway, and then also Moon Magic book. Obviously you guys know it's out. A lot of you have purchased it, which is so cool and we love that. The promotional link is over. I just wanted to say I still really encourage you guys to order it. There's a new link. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. Ann Marie Hines: on the HP Wonderworks page and I have to update it on the podcast page. ⁓ It is still best to buy it through the link. ⁓ So you can do that. And we are having, if you're local to the Pittsburgh area, we're having our book launch party slash community event at the end of April, April 26th. Matthew Brooks: Yeah. April 26th. Ann Marie Hines: April 26 at Ruckus Coffee. We love Ruckus. We love Chris. We love Ruckus. We love everything about it. There's going to be a live story time. We're going to have books there, like for kids. We're going to have books there for sale. There's going to be a light breakfast and a hot chocolate bar for kiddos. ⁓ It's going to be like a lot of fun. And Matt and I will be there together. That's like, yeah, we'll be seeing each other. Matthew Brooks: again. for the first time in like 10 years, we're gonna be together. Ann Marie Hines: that weekend for the first time in forever. And so I'm really excited about that too. ⁓ And Chris at Ruckus like printed this awesome like photo opportunity space of the book and the moon. And so it's going to be fun. you can get tickets to that ⁓ at ruckuscoffee.com their website. It's on the stuff online, like check out the Instagram. So ⁓ that's happening. The end. Matthew Brooks: Yay! Ann Marie Hines: That's, I think that's all we have to say. Okay, cool. Okay, stuck it. All right, bye, have a good day. Matthew Brooks: I think that's all. I think we got it. Stuck the landing. Alright everybody, bye.