Scene Interpretation: ⁓ Welcome back to another episode of Scene Interpretation. I am Dr. Sophia Murphy, a licensed mental health counselor here in Arizona. And if you've been listening to any of our previous episodes, know that I have considered myself one of the biggest cinephiles out there. And so basically, I'm getting to live my dream, hanging out with some of my favorite people, getting to chat about them watching a movie for the first time, and basically just living my best life. So today I have one of my dear best friends, T, if you want to introduce yourself. Yep. Terence Young. ⁓ Sophie is a great doctor. I think you should come and see her. ⁓ So he can recommend me. I am not using this podcast to solicit for new patients. However, I am using my therapy, brain and hat to look at movies through a psychological lens. And again, really, this is just an excuse for me to drag my friends into this room, hang out for an hour, 90 minutes, and just chit-chat, which we would be doing anyway. So now I get to do it for funsies. so I'm so excited because I think out of most of my guests, if not all, you are a huge movie fan. I am. Yeah. So so far. We've had people who've never seen movies like Jaws, Jurassic Park, Classics. I just like that. Which is I know it's so fun though because it's like things that just slip by people. So for you, it was really exciting because we were like scratching our heads. Like, what's a great movie that we can sink our teeth into that you actually haven't seen? Right. So I'm excited for where we landed because today we're gonna be talking about Parasite. And Parasite, at least for me, because I don't really watch a lot of Korean films, came out of nowhere. Yeah, and I distinctly remember because I'm I'm such an Oscars stan. All the buzz it was getting and it won the Palm d'Ore. And I think it's one of only like three movies in history to win both the Palm d'Ore and Best Picture at the Oscars. So it became like groundbreaking one. And if you listen again to any of these episodes, that's my favorite phrase to use about the movies we've been talking about. Groundbreaking for different reasons. And this movie was really impactful because of the culture. I love a movie with subtitles where I have to really like think outside the box. And I just love seeing all these actors that I don't personally have a relationship with in this storyline that's like pretty dark and pretty affecting. Yeah, it was. So I guess just to get us started, I kinda know the answer to this. So what was your relationship with this movie at all before we picked it. I actually had never heard of it and I was so surprised because it did take us what, three times of you suggesting movies that I haven't seen. Exactly. So it was nice. ⁓ but when I took a look at it it was like, okay, this sounds interesting. Yeah. Something different. Very different. And I know we were just talking about it before we got on mic, but the other thing that stood out to me was I remember really liking it, but I don't know if I loved it the way that everybody loved it when it was first coming out. Right. So I was reflecting for the rewatch around like when was this? And it was early twenty nineteen. ⁓ wow. And so we were almost exactly a year out of the world. With COVID. Right. And so what's fascinating is rewatching it now, having lived through COVID, being in the administration that we're in, watching the world burn, seeing the divide get bigger and bigger, even in our own country, I'll just start out by saying it hit me way more effectively this time. I w I would I could see that. I kind of wish I had seen it when it first came out because I think I would feel the same way. Yeah. ⁓ that did It it was kinda weird because it did fit today's society right now. Right. It just really hit so many of my own personal feelings and we're gonna get into all the details, but even just from the introduction of the Park family. Right. I was so skeeved out by them almost instantly. And I don't remember feeling much of anything before. Right. Well and there was a lot going on back then too. Right, for sure. I'm still surprised I had never heard of this movie. I'm really surprised too 'cause again, like you like movies and you watch so many movies. So I think this is one of those fun things those like sometimes things just fly past our radar right and then we get to see them and now it's like ⁓ what a cool experience to have you get to have it together. And we get to talk about it and I now I want to recommend it to other people. I love that part too because I do think it's one of those that if you like a movie and you like a thinker and things that are gonna like hit those different emotional points this has all those parts wrapped up in one. ⁓ yeah I agree. For sure. So let's see where do we want to start so I guess because you didn't Know about it, this might not hit as hard. front fun fact it became the first non-English film to ever win Best Picture. Really? Yeah. So knowing that history now, I wonder how it shapes maybe how you felt about the movie and understanding, like, maybe the moment that it hit. ⁓ I could see why it it made that award because it was just it was definitely groundbreaking because there's so many movies, I don't think that they changed the style. It's like it keeps going over and over and over again. That's a good point. Recycling. Yeah, I heard there's another parent trap movie coming out. I'm like is this number five, six, toy story? We're at five, six. Five. Yeah. Screen seven. Yeah. So it's it was something that was different, which was r very refreshing, even in a dark way. Because this was a definitely a dark movie. ⁓ for sure. And I remember too, I didn't really know much about it other than it was getting a lot of buzz. And I kind of have a vague memory of thinking it was going to be more of an explicit horror movie, which maybe some of my own just like cultural bias, like I think Korean and I think it's gonna be more like a traditional horror like jump scares and war. And it wasn't that at all. Yeah. And at the same time though, it ended up being pretty horrifying. Right. Just in its themes. Yeah, it was definitely. 'Cause I think I I was coming in just based off of what I read. Okay. I was coming in The same view is like, okay, this is gonna be like a s a psycho thriller. Sure, exactly. It was more thought provoking, I think. Yeah, that's a good way to put it. And the acts I think are very distinct. Yes. Like the way it starts and it's very almost like sad and somber, then it gets very like light and everything's working out and everything's going well, and then it gets so fucking dark. Right, exactly. So dark in the end to where you're just kind of left like reeling. Right. Yeah, I very much had that experience too. Well and when I first started I was like, Okay, why am I watching this movie? It's kinda s it starts off a little slow. Yeah, for sure. You're just like hanging out with these people. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And so part of it too was that a lot of the marketing when the film was coming out was very much devoted to not spoiling anything about the plot. Nice. So how did you feel going in completely cold? again, it was definitely refreshing because there's so many spoilers for movies nowadays. Yeah. I love Marvel movies. ⁓ I will watch Marvel movies no matter what, but people stop putting the spoilers out two days after the movie came out. Wait for a week. Let other people experience the same thing. I agree. I hate when people have to get online and just talk it up, at least not without some sort of warning. Right. Like I want to go in without the hyper marketing and without even the trailers spoiling everything nowadays. Like I I definitely just remember not having any idea what I was getting into. Even though I was aware of it and following its like ascension. To the Oscars. Exactly. Well, in a lot of movies, they have those trailers, and that's the best part of the movie. That's true. And so sometimes there's things in the trailers that aren't even in the movie. Right, exactly. Which is my other pet peeve. I'm like waiting for a scene and it never happens. Well, as long as they're gonna make it better. So use that trailer as hey, come watch the movie, and it's like, ⁓ yeah, by the way, that's not in the film, but we're gonna make this even better. It would really shock you. I know. So it's interesting. Yeah. So I guess walk me through the moment, maybe the tone of the film shifts. And what came up for you? ⁓ how did you feel when maybe you realized that this wasn't exactly what you thought you were gonna be watching? ⁓ I like the fact that it wasn't what I thought I was gonna be watching. Yeah. It it kind of it had its left turns quite a few times. Yes. ⁓ the whole forgery and him getting ⁓ the job and all that. I was like, yeah, that's kind of basic, blah blah blah. And then he started adding the family, and I was like, okay, I thought I knew where this was going. Yeah. And then that left turn. Of finding the ha housekeeper's husband, and I'm like, well, wait a minute, how did he how why is he down there? Right. And how long has he been down there? Absolutely. It's just kind of crazy. And I remember having this sort of like slow burning dread because it just seemed too good to be true, right? Like, especially by the time to your point, they're hanging out in the house, the family's gone camping, they're eating all the food, they're drinking all the booze. they're just out of control. They're so confident in like how far they've come in this scam. Like nothing bad could happen. Yeah, exactly. And I never saw the housekeeper coming back as where this was gonna go. Right. And I just remember thinking like something bad has to be on the horizon. Yeah. And I still had no idea how crazy it was gonna get. Well even when she came back, I was like okay, but she forgot something. Maybe some a picture or or something like that. And There's a whole 'cause I knew there was something going on downstairs in the basement. That's kinda the horror. But then when sh there was a whole other like building underneath there. Yes. And then her husband is there and he's a little psycho. Well, literally, I mean he's been living in isolation basically for so long. Right. Other than when she could come like sneak things to him that it's just like he's not even like a functioning person anymore. He's literally like a shell of himself. Right. Even the fact that she gives him food. In what looks like an adult baby bottle was so interesting to me when I was re-watching and I was like, that has to be intentional, right? Maybe, because ⁓ if you remember the father when he came in, he was drinking something and it looked like a squeezy bottle. ⁓ that's true. Almost like a Capri Sun. Yeah. That's true. So I don't know. I really feel like it had like a full like nipple on it, like an actual baby bottle. It could have been. It could have been. I I'm gonna have to re- watch s ⁓ certain parts of it. It was so interesting. I mean, what do you remember feeling when they're going down there with her, the housekeeper, the former housekeeper? And it just keeps getting more bizarre. ⁓ little bit of dread 'cause I was like something's something bad is coming. Yeah. Because they're going they're walking too slow. Yes. It's getting a little too dark. Yes. And where the heck are they going? Right. Absolutely. And I remember thinking too, there's an interesting line after all the struggle to like get the house back in order and get that guy back down under the house and I can't remember his name, the housekeeper's husband. And Mr Kim is like down there with him and says like how do you live like this? Right. Yeah. And then he says a lot of people live underground in semi basements, which is where the kimps live. Exactly, exactly. And so it was just so fascinating, almost like they had deluded themselves by the scam that even now they seem to be judging this man who lives in this underground home when they do too. Right. No, I totally agree with that. And I it kinda caught me when he said it. I was like, Buddy, you're doing that right now and place is worse. ⁓ a hundred percent. ⁓ that some of those scenes were the most like skin crawling scenes to yeah the fumigation and there is sitting through it. Yeah trying to fold the pizza boxes so they can make some money. It was just so distressing. And then even when the flood happens and the daughter's just like sitting on the toilet as it's overflowing so she can still be on her phone. Yeah and get some closer. ⁓ it's smoking that's what it is too there's shit coming up of the toilet. Literally shooting out and the only thing keeping the Yeah, and she's smoking and her hands have shit on ⁓ And it was like no. And the desperation of them just being, I guess, relieved that they escaped from the house without getting caught, but also just so dissociative this is their reality. Right. Well and I think ⁓ Kevin thought something as he was coming down the stairs after they escaped. And his remember his dad turned around and was like, What's going on? And it's almost like the wheels weren't turning. Right. And he ⁓ it was like, Okay, maybe I shouldn't be doing what we're doing. Yes. Well and that leads into a very interesting arc for him too, of like trying to make it right. His solution ends up to take the stone back in and kill them. Yeah. To make sure that their secret is safe as if they can still maintain this facade. Right. And I would have been curious if he I could see him killing the parents. Yeah. But killing the daughter, he liked the daughter. Well I no, I think he was only going back to kill the ex housekeeper and her husband. ⁓ okay. That was my read on it was that his solution was to like almost make it up to his family right since they had been caught. He was gonna go down with the stone and basically just bash the two of their heads in and then I guess live happily ever after. Because nobody would have known the family the the mom was clueless completely. ⁓ my gosh. She just Which I felt like that really mirrored So much of like this American idea of the mom who just stays home. ⁓ yeah. I mean she was always asleep too. So I didn't know if we were still drugs. Yes. Drinking. We're talking about like the drugs and the alcohol and she's just like napping all day. Yeah. And then has all these people doing all these errands and chores and basically keeping the entire house going and she's just pretty in there. Right, exactly. Which is what ⁓ Mr. Kim wanted. Right. Because it ⁓ when dad asked him if you loved her, right, he couldn't answer that. Right. He's like, we'll call it love. Yeah. Which was also skeevy. Right. It's not like a plastic family. Right. Yeah, you have two kids, housekeeper, the model looking wife. Yes. The driver. Yeah. And then the housekeeper also cooks, cleans. Right. Does everything. Yeah. So mom does. Yeah. She's just around. Right. Right. always frustrated with her kids which I thought was interesting too. Like all those subtext or they're not even subtext, they're pretty much in your face. Right. Tropes around like, yeah, I like that idea of like the plastic family or like the model family where it's just plug and play in these roles. Yep. Then the relationships are so bizarre. Yeah, yeah. It was. Yeah. It kind of tripped me up a couple times. ⁓ for sure. Yeah. And kind of in that same vein I'm wondering if there were any specific scenes that maybe really made you pause or take a step back. Either because they were tense or because it was really something you weren't expecting. ⁓ definitely the when they were going downstairs. Yeah. That just kinda totally I was like, I did not see that coming at all. And part of it it was it was almost like a double thing because I was like, okay, maybe she's leading them downstairs to kill them. Yeah. Or expose them or something. Yeah. And then ⁓ and then there was so much room down there, I was like, okay, maybe there's a family down here. ⁓ you were getting close then. Yeah, yeah, and then their family. And then her husband's down there, it's like, wait a minute, okay. Yeah, a hundred percent. Yeah. I remember thinking that I thought the housekeeper was just drunk. ⁓ yeah. She was like depressed 'cause she lost the job and that she was just kind of out of her own mind and maybe just like wanting to not leave the house, like she wanted to get back in the house so she would never have to leave. ⁓ right. And like cause a scene. I never in a million years imagined that there was gonna be another person down there. No, no. That they had been keeping this secret since the house was built. Right, exactly. With the previous owners like never could have imagined that. Well and it's funny that she cut the ⁓ surveillance. Yes, because she knew how to do it. Yeah. Yeah. To protect herself. Why did you do that? Right. And that's where I was thinking too like she's just drunk and Unhinged. Maybe both. Yeah, she was definitely unhinged. But that scene really struck me. And then there's the scene where we put two and two together about the incident that happened with the park's son on his birthday. Yeah. And that he saw a ghost, and the ghost was the husband coming up from the staircase. And that shot of just his crazy eyes. And the little boy's earth-shattering screamery went into a seizure. I mean, that again I was like, ⁓ it it was almost Shakespearean and how it came together. Yeah. Where like all these kind of like seemingly innocuous little incidents lined up so perfectly for a tragedy. No, I agree. And then everybody started dying. Yeah, exactly. It's like a domino effect. Yeah, and so I'd say the other scene that really shocked me was when the ex-housekeeper ex-housekeeper's husband invades the party and stabs Jessica. Yeah, for what reason? I mean, I was just Like dumbfounded. Yeah. And I guess his reason was because the wife died. Well, and I thought she was he was gonna go after mom because she's the one that kicked her down the stairs with the head injury, and that's kind of what kind of pushed him over the edge. I mean, I think that was probably his ultimate goal because when he was stabbing Jessica, he's shouting the mom's name. Right. Because the wife had said to him, Remember her name. Right. But again, I don't think he was all there. No. Like at that point, he's all bloodied and In his face from like hitting his head on the Morse code button or the light switch, and then he's like seeing Sun for the first time in how many years? I can't remember. I think it was like five. Yeah, since the owners had been there. ⁓ and I think he just killed the first person out of the family that he could find and probably would have tried to kill them. I mean, he did try to kill her. Yeah. She won. Well, and I think he was gone prior to that. Yeah. Just staying in isolation like that. It just and all the ⁓ because he was down there because of all the debt collectors but slash loan sharks right wanted to kill him. Right. So he was just like really unhinged, I think at that point. Yeah. Yeah. It was wild. ⁓ yeah so towards the end though, it was kind of crazy when ⁓ Kevin woke up in the hospital after brain surgery and he kept laughing. Yeah. And then at the end he's doing Morris code or writing something and I'm like, okay, was this whole story all in his head? ⁓ I never thought of it that way. I mean that would be a wild like Christopher Nolan style twist at the end. Yeah, it just seemed a little weird because he was working on that Morris code. Because he did have that like ⁓ alternate reality where he bought the house with his mother and all that stuff. Yeah. And then it's like, ⁓ dad finally came out. It's like, okay, well, how did he get to that point? Because he still looked young, dad still looked young. Right. And he hadn't been down there that long 'cause I I saw the beard. Right. So I do think we're supposed to interpret it that the buying of the house was the fantasy. Yeah. And that was all in his head. But that because he was cracking the code that his dad was down Down there, he was kind of unable to accept the reality that his dad would be down there forever. Right. And so he was like back and forth between the fantasy of buying the house and then just sticking with the letter from the dad. That's kind of how I took it. Yeah, I could see both sides though. Yeah. Because it just seemed weird at the end and it's like, Yeah. Is this all fantasy? I mean, I think it was supposed to confuse you. Yeah, it to I think it was the goal around just like Could they possibly still get away with this and be okay? I mean, obviously the daughter can't come back and at least they all agree on that. Nobody's in denial that she was murdered. I do think though we're supposed to kind of be grappling with this idea that they had this sort of again like false sense of security and now the son is deluding himself again that he's gonna somehow ever save his dad. And they're gonna somehow ever have a happy ending. Well, 'cause he always kept having a plan, a plan, a plan. And then dad goes that's why I don't have plans because anything can go wrong. Right. The best plan is no plan. Right. I know. I think that part felt really heartbreaking this time watching it too. The son's like his need for a plan it was really in the realm of delusion. Yeah. 'Cause everything was just stacked against them with how corrupt everything was and just again that class divide and it just seemed like it was almost impossible for them to ever pull themselves out of that situation. Well and even when they did to that certain extent th the the smell. Yeah. That was ⁓ I'm so glad you said that. That was kinda getting to me a little bit. Yep, so I had a question. So the smell is like a recurring, almost unbearable symbol throughout the film. ⁓ and it's something that the Kims can't hide no matter how hard they try. And so what did you think about that as almost like an underlying theme? throughout the story and just kind of like what it's like if maybe people have something that they can't ever fully get rid of that other people dislike. ⁓ I think it's ⁓ it's like that rich port. No matter how rich you get, there's always somebody richer and they're looking down on you. Yeah. And no matter what you do, it's it's never gonna change. Yep. And so i it wasn't about him not having any money, it's they could smell the poor. Right. And they just didn't like it. Well I was alien to that wondering to I know and I was wondering too 'cause we didn't get a lot of history on the perks from my memory. So I didn't know if they came from money or if Mr. Park had like self made himself into a millionaire. I think he had self made himself because it was big in technology. Right. And so he had something with the United States. Okay. And then he came back and that's how they bought the house and all that stuff. 'Cause my thought was is it like a new money? Old money thing, or is it just a money versus no money thing? I think it's money w versus no money. Okay. Yeah. Because I was wondering like, would there ever be a scenario where the Kims could acquire enough to be good enough to someone like the parks, or would it never matter? No, I think it would never matter because the stench is always there. Which is so fascinating to take like an intangible concept and turn it into such this tangible thing that trails throughout the entire movie and just like builds and builds and builds and to see. See ⁓ Mr. Kim's face even when he's driving the mom on that last day for the party doing the errands, and it's like building and building, and he sees her put the window down and like make the face, and then that final straw where he can't take it when Mr. Park does it towards the other guy. Yeah, exactly. He's just been stabbed, yeah. And he like can't handle it in snaps. Well, and it's funny because mom was sitting in the back with her shoes off. Yeah, I thought that too. I'm like, that's ⁓ How do we know it's him that's it's breezing right in your face. A hundred percent. But no. So fascinating. Yeah. And it's almost like ⁓ today's society when you're walking past a homeless person. Sure. You have that preconceived idea. You don't know what they're why what got them there. Right. But you're like, I don't want to touch you. I don't even want to talk to you. I think that's a good point in that I think there is this idea that like if you have an odor it's because you're poor. Right. Right. Like we've equated those things together as like part of the bias and classism is that it somehow automatically means you're bel beneath me. Right, exactly. And in this movie, literally, right. Because I love how the movie uses the structures to mirror this concept of the classism and the levels, right? So like the Kim's and the housewife's husband are underground because they're so far beneath a family like the Parks. Exactly. It's just so many layers that is so I think well done. Yeah. ⁓ yeah. The smell thing really stood out to me this time too, of just like it's so snobby. I know, it's like what is your problem? Right. Although the one part I thought was interesting, even though I know it's in the same vein, was that the little boy could tell they smelled the same. Yes. So I don't remember interpreting it as he was saying they smelled bad. He was just saying they smelled similar. Right. And it's like the parents weren't getting that. It's like, well, why do they smell similar? Right. They're looking at it from again, I think, the class perspective. But I more liked it in that first introduction because it's like a little clue, right? Where the little kid in all of his innocence is like Why do you have the same soap smell? Like I was thinking of it in that vein. ⁓ because they live together and they wash all their clothes together. But it's really again that permeating theme throughout the movie that the smell makes them lesser people. Right. ⁓ And there was a couple things, like speaking of the sun, he was figuring out the Morris code, but they never really went into it. You're right. I thought that was interesting too, is like he's a scout and he sees or a little cup scout and he sees the lights go off, but then Nothing ever really happens from that. Well, he was writing it down. He was figuring out the Morris code. ⁓ I thought you meant the little son. Yeah, he was. ⁓ he was writing it down too. ⁓ you're right. He spelled it wrong. Yeah. It was like Hulp me. H O L P me. But he never talked to the parents. You're right. That was the only weird part of not the only weird part about the movie, but one of the weird parts, it's like okay, you just stopped. Yeah, that's a good point. I wonder what the reasoning would be that he wouldn't take it to his parents. Probably because her p his parents well, look at mom. Yeah. I had that thought too. It's just like everything has to be surface level and perfect. And they would probably just like pat him on the head and chalk it up to his trauma. Right, and let him do whatever he wants anyway. That's true. Look at the tent in the back. I know. It's like Well and there were like these weird moments where the parks mom would say like, ⁓ we're Doing all this to appease a child, and you know, like he gets this much say, but then he does. So there were like these weird con contradicting scenes. Yeah, exactly. Where it's almost like she had enough insight into how they were operating, right? Clearly, not enough to care. Right. And then it's like, why did they have sex on the couch? What was right in there? It's crazy. My guess is the whole reason they do is to highlight again their classism and how they see all. These people as beneath them because the part that really stood out to me was the turn-on for them was thinking about the cheap underwear that was in the limo and then her being like, Yeah, take me and buy me drugs. It's like that's your kink. It's like to again shit on the cheap panties and the you know, stupid limo driver, yeah, and what whatever girl he picked up in the car who was on drugs is hot now, so we're gonna like use this for our sexual fantasy. fantasy. Yeah, no matter what they look like. Right. And it was like all about us being above them. Right. And them being below us. And they weren't worried about the kid coming in. No. So Yeah. And even in that how it's framed, they're above them on the couch. Right, exactly. And the other three are on the ground underneath the table. trying to hide for their lives. Right. Which w still would have been uncomfortable w listening to that. It would've been awful. You can't imagine. But I took it as it was just another way to highlight to us the viewers how I guess kind of just like Not dissociated, but more just removed from everyday society the husband and wife were. Right. That it's like again a joke for them to look down on others as a kink for their sexual escapade. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It was just ugh so gross. Well it's kinda like back in the Grecian days with the with the gladiators. Yeah. It's like l let's just put two people in the middle of the ⁓ stadium and have ⁓ kill themselves. Yep, fight each other to death for our enjoyment. Yeah. I mean even in slave times, right? Right. That's how we had Mandingo fights. Just pick two of our, you know, strongest slaves and have them fight to the death for our entertainment. Right. Like I really had that sensation of this is just another way that they use their wealth and position to yeah they fired this man and basically ruined his life. Yeah. And it's hilarious to them or a turn on to them to think about his escapades, which never even happened. Right, exactly. As yeah, like something hot. Yeah. Like it was just we found them to be so gross. this time. Yeah, and the driver was just trying to be nice. Right. Yeah. Well that's the other terrible part too is that the Kims have to basically leave a trail of destruction to get what they want too. Right. So it doesn't matter class wise. Yes. You're always trying to get s what you want in your s your ⁓ circle. Yep. Which actually leads into one of my questions. You said it perfectly is that a lot of what they did through the movie was exploit weaknesses in other people. Like the driver trying to be nice. really even the Kim family, not that I or sorry, the Park family, not that I think they were trying to be nice, that they were good at exploitation. ⁓ yeah. So through the movie, like how much did you find yourself rooting for them or being judgmental of them? And like how do you think it made you think about like desperation and and choices? ⁓ it kind of made me feel with desperation that you'll do most people will do whatever they need to do to get to where they want. Yeah. Or get what they want. want. Yeah. And they definitely did that. Started with the forgery and and then it's funny because he started tutoring the daughter and then fell in love with the daughter after his best friends said exactly like when she gets of age, he's gonna Ask her ask her out. It's like, well you're almost you're almost trying to have sex with her in her in her room. I know. That part landed for me different too. I think for those two reasons was that he seemed like he was a friend. Yeah. Kevin was actually a friend To the other guy, men, yeah. But then within two days, he's basically like putting the moves on this girl. And first of all, that's your friend's like person that he's already said he's into. So what are we doing? And then second of all, she's so young. Right. It's really uncomfortable. Well, and I didn't know and that it was uncomfortable for me too. And I was like, okay, how old is she supposed to be? And how old is and how old is Kevin supposed to be? Here it is. But Do they serve young? I think he had to be 18. But he couldn't get into university. He wasn't too young for it. He just hadn't tested in yet. There's something in the beginning when men and him are having drinks and he says something like, I think the four years you served. Right, right. Which I think makes him, let's just say, roughly 2021. And they were drinking, so and I don't know their drinking age in Korea, actually. Yeah, I don't either. But the way I interpret. interpreted it was that he served at least one term and tested into the university at least twice and couldn't get in. Right. So if anything, he's at least three years older than her. I'm gonna say six by the math. That was so both of those parts made it hard for me to root for him because he's backstabbing his friend who gave him this opportunity and then preying on this young teenager to make himself feel better, to like fit in. Yeah. And then it also makes me wonder with the with the daughter. Yeah. She liked men and now she likes Kevin. True, a hundred percent. But she's fifteen. Yeah. I think the idea is that she's like, ⁓ this is like a cool educated guy who speaks English and is smart and pays attention to me. Right. In this chaotic family that I live in. Yeah. I think she probably just liked whoever was paying attention to her. That's true. 'Cause even with like the texting and everything, like she just always wanted him to come over with the birthday party. For the birthday party, and then she didn't want to go down to the party. She just wanted to stay up in the room with him. So at least for her character, I read it. more is just like she's the forgotten kid and like lonely ⁓ because it's all about the little brother. Right, exactly. Since his trauma. Yeah. Yeah. So she's she's doing bad grades just because she doesn't want it. I think she just likes the tutoring. Yeah. Yeah. That's my that was my take on it. But I think I had a harder part with like it was hard for me to root for the Kim's even though I understood their desperation and I had empathy for their desperation. The way they had to exploit people, especially Kevin. Yeah. took a pretty quick turn for me of just like I don't know that he has any morals and values of his own. Right. Other than trying to get his family out of poverty, which of course matters. But I think the storyline with him and the daughter turned me off so much. Yeah it did. That I had a harder time being like, you're doing the best you can with what you have. Right. Yeah. ⁓ they were they were overkilling on that. So much predatory behavior. Yeah. And again, even the Kim's daughter like planting the underwear and like really ruining that man's life. Right, for no reason. And then making it look like he's a pervert and a drug addict. And it was just like, ⁓ gosh, he kinda seemed like maybe the only legit person out of everybody. Yeah. At least from what we find out. Right, exactly. Because the maid we find out is cuckoo for cocoa puffs at the end of the day. So even though I felt bad for her at the time when they took her job, we find out she had her own nefarious stuff going on underneath literally the surface. Right, exactly. So wild. Yeah. Let's see. So kind of the flip side of that, ⁓ the Park family's never really depicted as villains. They're just completely oblivious. Right. So I'm wondering like how you felt about that depiction of them and like how you interpreted their obliviousness and just their role in the whole situation. ⁓ I kind of took it as it's it's kind of standard, I feel. Yeah. ⁓ in today's society. It's the you're so rich that nothing really bothers you. Yeah. And you're not paying attention to anything because you don't have to because money answers all that. That's a good point because they definitely had this air of being untouchable. Yeah. That for the outside viewer watching I think is fascinating. ⁓ yeah. You know, like never really stopping to question anything. Right, yeah. Like from start to finish. Well and he the dad was too busy. That's a good point too. And so the mom was supposed to be, but she's she's drunk or on drugs or whatever was up with her. ⁓ No, I was really wondering 'cause they never like show her self medicate. Yeah. But I just felt this real strong sense that again it's that trope of like this lonely housewife who's at home right who's just medicating with like wine and Xanax. Yeah. American trad housewife trope, right? Like from every American style story. But I was curious about her just like seemingly inability to just be present. I don't think she knew how. Yeah. Which I do wish we had more of like her history and her family and even how they met. Right. I guess it's not as pertinent to the story. We just kind of take them as a package. Yeah. But my brain always goes to like again, is this new money? Is it old money? Is it has it always been this way? Was this her life as a little girl too, of just kind of like leisure and housemaids and all this kind of stuff? I they seem super super comfortable, so I'm almost feeling like this is just standard. Yeah, I had that thought too. But what do you think about the idea of them as villains? Are they though? I don't know. They're just kinda they're living their lives the way they know how. So that I think that money just I don't know if it necessarily makes them villains. It's just more of a we're here, we're living, we're rich, yeah, and we have no problems. And I think it's probably not a clear yes or no. Right. And maybe because of like I think my own biases now with like how the world is operating, I just find it so averse or I feel averse to that level of wealth. Yeah. And of course, not everybody who's ultra wealthy is the same. And I think that we've gotten into this place where there is such an air of I don't even know what the correct word would be of like, it doesn't affect me. Arrogance. I guess. I feel like there's another word like imperviousness. Like we can't be hurt, we can't have the same problems because we're so wealthy. Right. I think that's the part that I'm struggling with for them as characters, but then like on a larger scale. Scale. Yeah. This idea that, like, if it's not in my backyard, it doesn't affect me. Right, exactly. We've like something has happened where this mass amount of money has become equated with a loss of humanity. Right. And I think that's what landed so hard for me re-watching it this time. Was even though I was very critical of how the Kimps were operating, it was also hard for me to have empathy for the parks because they just didn't seem to care about anybody. Right. Everybody was Was disposable. And there's even the line where the wife is saying, like, you just come up with an excuse that seems to be an effective tactic or something. I can't phrase it because they've done it, they've done it more than once so many times. And I think that's the part that, like, even though they were being scammed, I couldn't feel for them because they just didn't seem to feel for anybody else. Right. And that's the part that I I am struggling with that like something has happened where it's almost like the American dream is to get the money to have the privilege to not care. I could see that. And they they were doing a great job at it. Yeah, their version of the American drink. Yeah. Yeah. Well, a lot of the products that they were getting, the TP, the Cub Scouts, a couple of other things, all came from America. Well, and I did laugh out loud when the dad asks if he thinks the tent will leak. ⁓ she goes, We ordered it from the USA and we're fine. And I'm like, Ask anybody in the USA. We're like, We ordered it from China. We don't trust anything made in the USA. But apparently other people still look at us as like the pillar of you know production or whatever but yeah I think maybe the money and the class is the villain. Yeah it is and the parks are I don't want to say victims that they are symptoms of a larger problem. Right. As opposed to just the problem themselves. Well because they there's no way that they could have lived like the kims were living. ⁓ yeah no just for sure. Yeah and the kims tried to live as the parks were doing and they just didn't know because they're not used to it. Yeah. So it was it's just kind of you you see those definite levels all the time, even in reality. Well and I'm not gonna say his name correctly and I wish I had written it down, but the director ⁓ who also won Best Director ⁓ ha was in an interview and talking about how They built that house just for this movie. Right. Because he wanted full control of how everything was gonna move and the cameras and everything. They actually built the semi basement home for the Kims and the entire like house for the parks. Well, maybe not the second story. That was a CGI from the outside and then a sound stage, but the entire first floor where most of the action happens was like a practical stage. That's crazy. But his point was that he wanted like all these fine things in the home to communicate the parks wealth and there's multiple Articles about him talking about this that trash can that was twenty five hundred dollars for this fancy ass trash can that's like silent and opens and closes, and that he felt uncomfortable even being in the space as the director being around that level of wealth, even though it was fake for the movie, but that it like created the exact same sense of discomfort that he was looking to capture on film. That's crazy, and I thought that was so fascinating. Of like, I'm sure at this point now I mean I don't know his wealth status but he's probably pretty wealthy but it was interesting to hear him talk about like as a director like how foreign that felt to him to be in a space that they created but because of all the fine finishes and the twenty five hundred dollar trash can like he didn't even feel comfortable shooting in it. Right. And it created the same like discomfort he was hoping to capture. That's crazy. I know it probably with all that though it it came across in the film perfectly. Yes. Yeah. It was so like sterile and perfect. And 2500 where are you getting this trash can from? Well that too, I'm sure some fancy schmancy designer play. I can get that off of Amazon for like twenty bucks. I mean, maybe, but you have to look it up. Maybe there's a twenty five hundred dollar trash can on Amazon because of all the things that it does. ⁓ It better come and pick up the trash itself. Yeah, it's so interesting. That would be crazy if it like goes outside. I don't even want to think about that. Now we're getting into my worst nightmares of technology. Which is a different movie. Exactly. okay, so kind of going back to the Kims, they have become fluent in performing a version of themselves that they know the parks want to see. So they create this sort of competency, a culture, and they are totally invisible in their actual struggle. So I wonder what you thought about their facade and how they had to like subvert and sacrifice kind of what they were really going through just to fit in? ⁓ I think it's very common 'cause I think people do it all the time. Yeah. ⁓ because ⁓ people we work with other people all the time. We might not necessarily like them. ⁓ but we're almost like a chameleon for ⁓ for the for the actual area of what we're doing. Yeah. Because I I love most of my clients but some of I but I'll you'll never know. them. Sure. So you're good at the mask. You have to be. Yeah. What do you think about like the idea that we often have to perform just even access spaces that we're not really supposed to be in or wouldn't normally be welcome into. I like those spaces because being African American there's a lot of spaces that people don't think that we should be in. Yeah. And I'll walk into a room, I don't care. Yeah. and I'll make sure that everybody knows who I am and why I'm here. I had that exact thought, like for me it automatically goes to the race conversation. ⁓ how the code switching and like all the pressure that I think black people have to deal with and this is true I think of a lot of minorities. But just speaking from my experience as a black person is like you have to know how to maneuver into all these spaces that maybe a white majority would rather you not be in in the first place. Right. But since they sort of have to let you in now. Yeah, exactly. Sometimes you have to ⁓ maneuver and almost chameleon yourself to fit in and yet it still takes a toll on us and it costs you something. Yeah. 'Cause it it almost chips away at your soul. Yes. ⁓ unfortunately. And but we still do it, we still have to do it. Yeah. And I don't think it'll ever stop, honestly. And I agree, and I think this movie was really only tackling the class and the money. and the underlying theme is still the same. Right. Right. You can intersect class, race, gender, and it just gets bigger and bigger. But my first thought was this is the same experience I think at least in our country, of black and brown Americans trying to navigate white space. spaces where it's very clear you're not welcome. Right. That you're gonna take up that space no matter what. But how do you do it? And even in some cases, how do you do it safely? Right. Because we're getting into this place now. I I have this conversation a lot with ⁓ patients who are LGBTQ. Like you may not be able to be your true self at work. Right. But you have to work. So if you have to wear a mask at work every day, knowing that you wouldn't really be accepted in that space, like what does it cost you even though you know you still have have to have a job. Right. And it gets tiring and work does not ⁓ understand that. Right. They just want the job done. No matter what. Absolutely. And it's like, okay, great, I'll do the job, but don't ask me personal questions or don't don't get on me about stuff because I'm having troubles. You don't want to hear about the troubles. Right. And if you don't really see me as a person or want to see me as a person, you just see me as this role, which I think does tie into all the roles literally that the Kim family were plugged in. ⁓ And I just to play that dutiful blank. Well, and I can feel w kind of what they're talking about because I've I've been in those situations. I'm not ultra rich by any means, but like I'll For sure. Yeah, but I'll go into a room ⁓ it I've I've gone into rooms with just my regular clothes on. Yeah. And you get kind of like the ⁓ here, but then I'll come in in my professional wear and it's a completely different conversation. ⁓ I didn't know you could finish a sentence. Okay. ⁓ my God. That's that's just kind of the how I feel about it. You speak so well. Exactly. For what? Yeah, how did you think I was going to speak? Yes. And which goes to the ⁓ the smell. Yes, I think that's a great point. And even in this one, one a part that stood out to me and landed different this time was when they're down in the basement with the old housekeeper and they're discovering the husband and the old housekeeper keeps calling the Kim's mom sis. Yeah. To like, hey, we're the same, we're the same. She's Don't call me sis, don't call me sis, and she's like threatening to call the police. Right. Then the kids fall down the stairs and they get caught. Right. And then she calls the old housekeeper sis and she's like, Don't call me sis, you fucking bitch. That's right, exactly. She's recording them on her phone. Like I think even that was where the race tone came through of like we're the same and we're both poor, we're both phonies and one is still trying to posture that she's better than her. Right. And she's even standing up while the other woman's crouched down. So there's even that same, I think a a beautiful structure of direction of like she's above her saying like don't call me sis about to call the police and then now they're on the same level and she's like, Don't call me sis, you're fucking crazy too. Exactly. I just felt like it was so relevant to now. Yeah, because black people as a culture, we don't some of us don't want to see others succeed. Well there's that too. Which just doesn't make any sense to me. Yeah. And so we're willing to pull down and pull down and pull down back to w what to what? I don't know, ground floor? Yeah. Well and there actually is some psychology around like it's called the minority stress theory, which is that when you're in a minority group, it's easier to turn against another minority, someone who's equally oppressed, than it is to turn against the oppressor. Right. And so I do think there is psychology around like it's easier to fight ourselves than it is to band together and fight the oppressor because it's just so ingrained that we'll never win that fight. Right. Which is kind of what I think this movie was talking about too. And that's the heartbreaking part about the ending ⁓ is it just reinforces that they're never gonna get out of their situation. Right. And the oppressors don't care. Correct. if you guys are gonna fight amongst yourselves correct there's less stuff that we have to handle. I agree. Although it's interesting I think that the decision they made in the movie was to also have Mr. Park be killed. Yeah. So they didn't walk away unscathed. So there was like a little thread of it did cost them too. Right. Yeah. Not just the Kims. Yeah, exactly. Because it's just so again like I kept thinking Shakespeare when I rewatched of like this powder keg of this little step and this little step and one misinterpretation and one misstep leads to this massive explosion. Right. very like Romeo and Juliet. Well and he liked to kill a lot of people that stuff. And all from like again one misinterpretation or one final step that was off by like a millimeter. Yeah, exactly. And then everybody dies. Right, right. One misunderstanding. ⁓ Because if if the housekeeper's husband had not come upstairs and knocked out ⁓ Kevin, things they might have gotten away with more stuff. Right. So And I think it's like again, because he went down there to get this like final closure, he then unearths literally the tool that ends up taking him down and killing his sister and killing Mr. Park. Right. And it's funny that the daughter Grabbed him and was walking him out. Yes. And he's bleeding all over the place. Yes. But if he'd never gone down there, I mean the old housekeeper had already died, sadly, from her concussion. Yeah. I don't know that the husband would have survived down there. I don't think so, because they wouldn't have opened the door. Right. And he was already bashing his head to the point that he was bleeding to do the Morse code. It's almost like Kevin's need to rectify the situation creates the scenario that ruins everything. Everything for all of them. Right. And that's the part to me that feels Shakespearean. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. And Dad said, don't have a plan. Right. And he didn't listen. Nope. He felt like he was required, and maybe that's a cultural thing too that I can't speak intelligently on. But I was having that thought too, like I don't know Korean culture enough. But I wonder if it was almost like in their culture a sense of honor or duty to fix the situation for the family, because it was him that started it. Right. Well and That doesn't even need to be Korean because it's just he felt bad because he had started this whole thing. Yeah. And it just kept blowing up in his face. Yeah. It just got so out of control so fast. How much time do you think went by in the whole movie? I was trying to think that too. ⁓ I wanna say It's gotta be it's gotta be at least a month, maybe. That's what I was thinking. So it's relatively fast though. Yeah. I mean they upended this entire Park family's life by inserting themselves, it then also really destroyed their own family. I I was thinking the same thing, four to six weeks. Yeah. Like just pfft powder keg. Right. And I thought I thought at one point when they were d inserting themselves, I thought they were gonna just gonna kill the Park family. Mm, interesting. The dark, dark, dark version. Yeah, the horror version. Yeah, and just kind of be them and nobody would know. That would be fascinating. That's a almost like black mirror version. Yeah. Yeah, he seemed pretty well known. Yeah. So they would probably miss him. Yeah. But I don't know yet about the kids, maybe the wife. She didn't really seem included in anything. So wild. Yeah, and she hadn't seen her friends in a long time. Right. She says that at the lunch party or the garden party, whatever. Yeah. So fascinating. And she put a face on for that. ⁓ look at it. I told you not to buy p ⁓ presents, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's like okay. Well, and I really love the tension that builds in that scene where she's running the errands. Yeah. And Mr. Kim is literally hanging on by a thread because of what they just went through the night before and sleeping in the auditorium. And then her obliviousness again of like, ⁓ we'll get champagne and we'll get caviars. Exactly. Yeah, come in your best outfits. We'll get day drunk. Ha ha ha ha ha. And you know, no presents. It's not even really for her son. Right. At that point. It's just a reason for her to have a party. Out of nowhere. And feel important. And even Mr. Kim says that to Mr. Park when they're hiding in the bushes in their ridiculous Indian costumes. We haven't talked about that yet. And he's just like This party's really important to her for some reason. Yeah. And the husband's like basically stay in your lane. Right. Like you're getting paid extra to be here. Don't come right. Right, exactly. That's just so fascinating how I think it was directed and written and everything stacks up so perfectly. Like I really appreciated it. And the husband was kind of wanted to do whatever he wanted to do, but when she started getting that spark of wanting to do stuff, then he was fine with it. That's true. And that was after They had sex on the couch. That's true too. I do think it seemed like his entire goal was just to keep her happy, but I mean happy in terms of like low maintenance. Yeah. Take care of the kids, make sure everything in the house was good. And then just buy the law Yeah. 'Cause I can't remember who they were talking about think it was the first driver, the panty incident where he's like, Don't you pay him a lot of money. Right. Like she's also just given free reign to pay people whatever they want. Yeah to make everything smooth, which I found interesting too. Right. Yeah. Yeah. okay, let's see. A few more So violence erupts in the film at the end, not from a place of evil, but really from years of accumulated humiliation. I keep calling it a powder keg, but like reaching that filing final boiling point. Right. So kind of what do you think about violence as a result of you could say even just in their lives, years of humiliation or generations of oppression? I would say ⁓ I'm never gonna say violence is justified, but you people like to push and push. and push and then they think nothing else is gonna happen. Right. You see it all over the internet. Yeah. ⁓ there's a site out there that says leave black people alone. And you get these people that just keep pushing, pushing, pushing, and you and you have the a person saying, Just leave me alone. Yeah. And after a while they get hurt. And then it's like, ⁓ then they wanna cry the victim. It you should have left your hands to yourself. I think that's a good point is like because again we're talking about the nuances of like no one's really the villain, the situation is the villain, and so it's like the acts at the end aren't necessarily evil and they're not okay. So it's just like a very intricate dynamic of like people can only take so much before they can't take anymore. Right. And I think that's the part I do have empathy for and I think it was done very well in the film. ⁓ yeah, no, I totally agree. And most of us even push we're we're gonna get to a certain point and then we're just gonna stop. Yeah. Because we don't wanna go to jail. Sure. We don't wanna get murdered and ⁓ stuff like that. But the husband downstairs, he just he was already not all all I think he was already broken by the time he was coming out into the daylight for the first time. Right. His wife just died and there was nothing he could do. ⁓ and that was brutal too. Like even though clearly she was not well. Yeah. But the way she died and being kicked down the stairs concussion and ⁓ I knew she was dead at all. That was just so brutal where she's like, Honey, I have a concussion Yeah it's like no no Don't forget her name and it's like she's not gonna make it through the night. Yeah. Her brain is coming out of her head. ⁓ so bad. Yeah. ⁓ So kind of bringing it all together, Kevin or Kiwoo says at the end that his plan is to earn enough money to buy the house and free his father. How did you feel about that ending? Was it more hopeful or was it more almost heartbreaking? ⁓ it was kinda heartbreaking because it was just like even after everything that's gone through your father's hiding, yeah you guys just got out of jail. Yeah. And your sister's dead. Yeah. And you still want that life. Yeah, that's a good way to put it. I think I felt more sad looking at it from the perspective that it was impossible. Yeah. But I actually think that's a really good point that like he's still striving for that level after everything they saw. He wants to appease his dad and make his dad proud. It's like Yeah. Dad's fine right now. He's hiding. I think it's that lore of again, like the riches and the wealth and all my problems will go away if I ascend to that level. Don't get me wrong, if I had a lot of money, a lot of my problems would be gone. ⁓ for sure. I agree. I mean I'm not naive enough to say that like money doesn't solve problems, especially in a capitalist capitalistic system it solves a lot of problems. Right. And we also know that at a certain point you still have whatever issues you have. Right. It's just you know, it's nice to have a house and not have to worry about your food. A thousand percent. Yeah, exactly. Shelter and stability matter. Yeah. ⁓ money might make the problems bigger. Yeah, different. Yeah. Yeah. So interesting. Yeah. Let's see, I think we're pretty much there. So as we're wrapping up, ⁓ is there anything you think you would have understood differently or would have hit really differently if you'd seen this in maybe it when it was new or even in a different financial state in your life? financial state no, I think it it would have been the same. Yeah. Because we all came from ⁓ humble Yeah. We didn't have a lot. I remember I remember some interesting nights of food. But you just did what you needed to do. Yeah. So, and I think that's kind of the premise of the movie is they did what they needed to do. They just kind of went at it in a little bit goes off the box for sure. Yeah. So so a week from now, what image or moment from the movie do you think will live rent free in your head? ⁓ I would think the the Morris code. Yeah. Yeah. And no matter what dad was trying to get that message out. I know. Yeah. So sad. Yeah. It just felt so sad this time. Well, and I was like that was an another left tournament of the movie when they're walking up to the house like they bought it already. I'm like, how much time just got past? You just got out of jail. I know. I remember like really being sucked into that and thinking like something miraculous had happened and then that the word for me was heartbreaking when it cuts back to him and he's still in the semi-basement in the exact same place. The mom's trying to clean it up still. Yeah. Obviously sister's passed away. and he's just working on the Morse code. Like that's almost a delusion again. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And they did something to the brain. That too. I was thinking how much of it is the brain surgery or how much of it is just that blind hope because he can't really cope with reality anymore. He just started laughing. ⁓ gosh. It reminded me of Joker. It was like that trauma response where like You're so distressed that you just laugh. Right. And it's so incongruent. I've been there. Yeah. Because sometimes laughing makes it so you don't do something worse. For sure. So it's like a different type of coping mechanism. Exactly. Yeah. Awesome. Any last thoughts on the film? No, I th ⁓ I'm glad that you suggested it. I'm glad I checked it out. Yeah. I I didn't know where which way it was gonna go. Even the reading the trailer part, I was like, okay, this could be interesting. And then I was like, well Yeah, I really was glad we picked it too 'cause it was a good rewatch, like I was saying, of how I actually liked it a lot more this time and I liked it when I saw it the first time, but like I really liked it. And it felt so much more affecting this time. Yeah. Where I had just so much more emotion around it. Yeah, I can see it. And just like the the dread, but then also just that despair of like it's so hopeless trying to get out of this right system. Yeah, just like a whirlpool. Exactly. Just ⁓ yeah. One funny Part is ⁓ you said it was all on subtitles. I'm like, I watch TV with subtitles all the time now. You did say that. I wanted to give you a heads up because some people will be like, No, I'm not watching this movie in subtitles. Yeah, and and I it's not that I'm losing my hearing because I hear very, very well. It's just I don't know. I feel like some of these programs are a little muted. Yeah, so it's easier just to subtitle it. And I can work on other stuff, and I get that too. I've already read what you're gonna say, let me go back to what I was doing. I do like it. I've actually Become quite fond of it as well. Yeah. I think sometimes a lot of the action in the movie or show is so loud that the dialogue is harder to hear, especially on TV. Right. And so I've become a subtitle girl too. Even in English, I'm just like chilling with the subtitle. And then when it's not on, you're you're like messing with the remote, it's like, why is this not on? Yeah, it's like it's also not loud enough. Right, yeah, exactly. To hear the speaking from the other background sounds and everything. Exactly. ⁓ okay, cool. So one thing I'm doing With everybody is asking what's a movie that you love that maybe I haven't seen. I'm compiling a list because my hope is kind of on the second wave of the podcast. I'll have people back. I will watch the movie for my homework and then you get to ask me some questions. ⁓ wow. So if you can't really think of anything, you can send it to me later, but I've just been asking everybody on the spot. Okay. ⁓ Yeah, I'm gonna have to send it to you. That's fair. 'Cause that's the other thing. You y you watch as many movies as I do. So But I'm just like this. You'll find one that either just flew under my radar or maybe I thought it was one thing and never saw it and then it actually isn't. Yeah. You just never know. So it's been fun getting some movies assigned to me. There's one I think it's called My Life. And I forgot the guy that's in it, but it's it's basically he finds out that he has terminal cancer. Oof. And so he he makes ⁓ ⁓ a video for his child that's coming. ⁓ god. And ⁓ he goes back to spots where he grew up and stuff like that. I don't think I've seen that movie. So if that's the title. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's called My Life. Okay. Yeah, we can put that on the list. It sounds like a really sad, depressing. ⁓ yeah, there's a lot of trying to pick one to kill me right now. Who's cutting onions in here? I'll just be like hysterically crying. ⁓ my gosh. Okay. Awesome. Well, ⁓ the other thing I wanted to do. Is you and I have been having great conversations because you also just published your first book. I did. And I wanted to give you the opportunity to tell everybody about it because I think it's really exciting. I have a copy right here. I'm keeping it in my office because I want my patients to have access to it as well. But yeah, I would just want to give you a chance to tell everybody about it and and what would be a good reason for them to pick it up. It's a nice tone shift from the movie. ⁓ yes. Well, maybe because it's a motivational book. So it's kinda like it it keep going. Keep doing what you're doing. Legal things. Legal, yes, yes. ⁓ but yeah, no, thank you. It's been out about a month. ⁓ it's I've been working on it for past three years. Yeah. ⁓ it kinda came from ⁓ my Facebook post. Yep. ⁓ 'cause I was I've always been positive in my Facebook posts for the most part because I don't want somebody having a bad day to come to my posts yeah and then see I'm having a bad day and you feel bad. I want you to if you're having a bad day come to my post and see something that just resonates with you. Yeah. And then you're like, ⁓ okay, well he's he's doing good. Well I can kinda look at my ⁓ situation as well. Right. It's a nice perspective. Yeah. Yeah. So I took him ⁓ and compiled a book out of it and called it Motivate My Soul. Yeah. ⁓ exciting. Yeah. So it's it's it's still a little unreal. Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ people keep calling me author and I'm like, am I the Officially, yes, you are. You're not only an author, you're a published author. It's really a a huge accomplishment. It's very exciting. And you didn't have to lie or cheat or break into anyone's house to do it. I didn't say that. Kidding, kidding. But no. But it's not for everybody. ⁓ I tell everybody that I would people to pick it up, read it, and then dog ear the pages, find something to like highlight whatever. And then maybe if you're having a dark time after you've done if you've after you've read it, come and pick it back up. Yeah. Or if you know somebody that needs ⁓ some extra encouragement, hand them the book. You can always get them. It's on Amazon. You can always get more books. So and I'm building I'm trying to kind of build a brand so there's other stuff coming I just can't really say. That's exciting too yeah. So where can our Listeners find you? ⁓ easily. It's ⁓ the book is on Amazon. Okay. Yeah. It's ⁓ Motivate My Soul. ⁓ T Young. ⁓ I didn't go by the government name, but and what about on social? Where can they find the posts? ⁓ social, they can either strive forward ⁓ or motivate ⁓ my soul on Instagram. Awesome. Well thanks for hanging out with me. Thanks for listening to another episode. If you are following along. 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