The Talented Mr. Ripley: Alright, welcome back to another episode of Scene Interpretation. I am Dr. Sophia Murphy, a licensed professional counselor here in Arizona. And if you've been listening to any of our episodes, you've probably figured out by now that I am slightly movie obsessed, and there are very few things I love more than sitting and talking about movies, especially with amazing people and close friends. So today I am super lucky because I have Chris here, who is also a podcast extraordinaire, so woof the bar is high. But a fellow Cinephile who was thrilled to flip a Over and come on my side and talk about a new movie for the day. So if you want to introduce yourself, we'll talk about what we're gonna dig into. Most definitely good afternoon, good morning, good evening, the way I like to start and in other ways. Hello! Welcome. My name is Christopher Felix, aka the Professor, El Profe, and I have a podcast out here in southern Arizona called Hits Off the Streets. And I just want to say it's an honor to be on the opposite end of things, trust me. Well, yes, and I I feel honored that I get to interview someone who does this so regularly. And yes, please go listen to Hiss Off the Streets. We had a blast when I got to come on your show. You have so much great content and you represent and support the valley so much that I am thrilled to have you even just come and hang out in my little space and appreciate it. It's always good to be around great people, and ever since the first day I met you till now, I gotta say it's been a great adventure. And I appreciate it. Yes. Always appreciate when we get to just say hi, catch up, and just kind of like have that good energy because we tend to cross paths in very high stressful situations and high stressful scenarios. So I always appreciate the smile, the dap, and the hug. yeah. It makes my night shirt. Big time, big time. All right, so because you're a Cinephile, when we started talking about this, we were kind of bumping into just like how many movies you've already seen. And so I'm having a really fun time trying to like cherry pick a new movie for somebody. Introduce them to a completely different title. So today we are gonna be talking about the talented Mr. Ripley. And look at this physical media. It's alive. We're fighting for it. I love the DVD. I'm so thrilled that you have it on DVD. and so yeah, even before we got on Mike, I was saying it's just so wild. me to think that this movie is twenty seven years old. Just yesterday. Just yesterday. and I distinctly remember going to the theater to see it. Wow. And I only knew Matt Damon obviously from Goodwall Hunting and he is not Goodwall Hunting. He is legitimately terrifying. Right. And I think I was realizing too with all the roles since then, I still think this is maybe his best role. You know what? I was amazed and I just want to say twenty years ago I did not even hear about this movie, know about this movie until about a month ago. So I am very brand new and cherry to this movie. So I I gotta say though, I'm a big Matt Damon fan, and this is one of his best roles that I have seen him play, and this is talking about twenty some years ago. Well then that makes me even more excited because we just opened your mind to seeing him in a whole different way in a role that you weren't familiar with. At all. this is great. So yeah, so you kind of answered my first question was what was your awareness or relationship to this movie before we picked it? Like I said before, it was a challenge for me at first. I I have a big T V in my room, let me tell you something. It's an eighty inch TV that only goes to YouTube. Right. No other platforms, no nothing. I use it for my podcast. Right. And I try to find it on Hulu. I try to get it on all the other programs that are out there. Yeah. I couldn't find it. So I called Zia Records and pulled out my DVD player and there it was and here we are. I love it. So it led you on a literal journey. Big time, big time. Not just the journey of my Watching the movie, but the journey to get to watch the movie. But it was amazing. And before we even go ahead and move forward, I want to give a big shout out to the guy upstairs right now because I know you're a big Jurassic Park fan. I am. Sam Neil, rest in peace, thank you for everything you did for us and bringing back dinosaurs. I just gotta say that. I'm so glad you said that. I think maybe I've tried to block it out a little bit that he's passed because I really I just can't believe he's not in the world anymore and he's so integral to my love of movies and cinema and He's also a great example of like I knew him as Alan Grant and then I don't know if you've ever seen Event Horizon, the horror movie. Seeing him in that movie traumatized me in a good way, right? Like it traumatized me in a way of like it's one of my favorite horror movies. And yes, I did hear about his passing and just rest in peace and thank you for opening my mind and my heart to movies and character studies. And such a great piece. But yes, I'm so glad you remembered to to say that. No, I had to, you know, shout out to all the directors out there, the producers, the actors, to all the play script writers. You guys are amazing. You are what captivate our eyes. Absolutely. You know, and I wanna shout out my cousin Marcos Barra, he's an actor out there. In LA, my good friend Chris Acosta, who's actually my brother, an ex wild down firefighter. He's an actor too as well. He both of them have been on my podcast, so check it out as well. I mean, it's great to see family members, yeah, brothers, sisters be in the big screen roles, and then to think that they're on to be as well on Netflix, it's just like okay, cool. If they have a chance to make it on film, why why can't we? Absolutely, and I love that you just never know what role could open that. Door someone, either right, and like acting is such an interesting profession just because you're putting yourself out there all the time and you're wearing these different masks and you're digging in these different parts of yourself, and yeah, you just never know where it's gonna take you. yeah, for sure. it's funny how you say that different masks, different roles. Perfect. I was even thinking about segueing into this story, so kind of like even jumping to where do I? start. I have like so many thoughts because I just love this movie so much. So I guess going with the mask, talk to me about the moment when you realize that Ripley was maybe not who we thought he was. And he wasn't just lying to survive. He's driven by this desire to become someone else entirely. Like how did it hit you and like what did you make of that? When he met his dad so when when they had that conversation saying bring my son back. Yeah. And all of a sudden something clicked in his mind to think, okay, how How am I gonna accept this challenge of bringing some son back that doesn't wanna be here that I know nothing of? Right. And now I gotta leave to the town of or city of Rome and play a part yes that I'm already playing yet that's not who I still really am. So I went from a character to a character to be another person. Yes. You know, I think that's where everything to me was like, okay. Yeah. Three different personalities taking off to one place to bring back one personality. Yes. So you know, so four different personalities mixed in with one. I was like, okay, this is where's this going now? I know. And one thing that really stood out to me in Rewatching it this time, and I wish I had written down some of these quotes is that a lot of the times in the beginning he doesn't lie, he just doesn't answer the question. So even when Dickie's dad, I can't remember his first name, but Mr. Greenleaf, is asking Tom, like, you went to Princeton, you must know my son, and he just basically reflects the question back to him, and then the dad is the one that says Dickie Greenleaf, and then the mom is the one that says class of fifty-two. And like he never says, I know Dickie Greenley and flat out lies. He's just so good at evading and putting people in the position to give him the information he needs. But it's funny, if you look really closely, the Hogwarts symbol, that Princeton symbol that he has on, that's what he went off of. He didn't go off of anything else. Right. The family, the mom and the dad, the Greenlee family said, okay, you're from Princeton. Yep. Princeton it is. Exactly. Yes, you're one of us. Yeah. Yeah. And that's all it took. I had that thought too, was he didn't even start it, right? It's not like he set out to deceive this family. He was just so adept at taking what was offered and then really following other people's leads. And they just gave him so many opportunities until the end when he has to flat out start lying. I don't even know how he kept kept up with all the lies. Because I even found myself I would Google at certain points be like, Well, wouldn't somebody know XYZ? And wouldn't so and k you know, Google was like, Well, no, because only Tom knew that information. That's what I loved about it though, is now that you say that different pieces. So the Each character that he met only knew a certain person. They didn't know anything else besides that. They were just one minded and the box was so closed off. Yeah. Where it was like, No, this is who you are and that's who I know and we're gonna go with that. I don't know anything else left or right. Right. You know what? That's stick ri to who you are. Yes. And he was so skilled at basically taking advantage of that. yeah, basically. Yeah. He could exploit all the gaps. yeah. And rewrite The story however he wants it. yeah. So Tom Ripley tells someone early in the film that he always thought it would be better to be a fake somebody than a real nobody. What did you think about that sentence and how he kind of perceived the world? You know, I think it has a lot to do with a lot of things that are going on in the real world right now, especially with the social media aspect of everything. Sure. People are seeing what other people are doing. Yes and They wanna replicate that for themselves. Yeah. So they're trying to be somebody who they really ain't, and they're trying to mimic others who they really ain't as well. Yeah. Well and it's so interesting because again, this is a twenty seven year old movie that takes place in the fifties and your point is really, really spot on is that I almost wonder if people would find him more empathetic now, not the murders, and obviously like it gets really dark. But just the idea of someone yearning so much to inhabit this life and to put on this persona that they'd be willing to do almost anything to do that. Because you're right, like it is almost normal now. Social media is a completely fabricated point of view. Very much we only post the positives, it's completely curated, that we've kind of come to an odd place where we just accept that as reality even though we know it's not. Mm-hmm. It's like me for say I'm the professor. streets and then I'm Chris. And then I'm this person at another job. That's what I was thinking at the same time. I was like, dude, I like that's different people all the time. You wear different jackets, you wear different coats, you wear different ties, you wear different faces, different masks, and then, you know, you have to act certain ways around certain people. And that's what he did. Yes. You know, there's ways to be professional. There's good there's ways or there's times where you need to be professional. There's times where you You can mess around, have fun, smile loud. Yeah, yeah, for sure. But I that's where I see this movie going, you know. He when they told him, Hey, I'll give you this amount of money to go over there, he didn't care about the money. Right. He was like, Okay, cool. I wanna get to know somebody else and I wanna study this person. Yes. Because I eventually not in his mind already made up thinking I'm gonna be this person. No, I wanna learn who this person is, so either I can use them as a character later, which in the movie he was like, no That's who I wanna be. Yes. Yeah. Well and it made me wonder this time too, and I don't have an answer to this, that who was Tom Ripley to start with? We did not know. Right. And do we know if we ever even met Tom Ripley? Or was that his persona at the time? I think we met him at the end when he started crying. When he found out himself, he was like, What did I do? Who did I become? And why did I do this? Yeah. It's really heartbreaking at the end with him and Peter. I I thought it was very very interesting that he did that, but his character was broken when the when he saw I forget the character's name, but when the lady came on board and said, Meredith, are you traveling as R today? Yes I am. Yes I am. And it's like, Peter, you're in trouble. Run. It can't work now. And the fact that he got caught. Eventually everybody gets caught. Okay in in any bad situation that you're in it's gonna come down to that. Yeah. Well and it was like we don't know what happens after that either because how could he come out of the cabin I don't know build? relationship with Meredith, like eventually it will start over where people are gonna say, like we heard Meredith Logue is dating Dickie Greenlee. Yeah, Dickie's back his own father is like he died by suicide, right? Or I mean he's already given himself so many corners there's nowhere to go. For sure. My thing is where are you gonna drag the body? Well that too. How you gonna get away with it this time? I mean I it's just so sad. Poor Peter. I feel like he was the one really good solid character. The one that cared. You know? But that's what that's what I f thought was really interesting. It turned into a love affair situation all of a sudden. Because at the end Peter did have feelings. I think Peter genuinely thought he loved him based on what he thought he knew. Right? Like he only got those pieces to build his own version of Tom and of course I would imagine until he's probably dying, has no idea what Tom's truly capable of. He just knows that he's Quiet and reserved and I also wondered too, if you think about the timeline, if Peter attributed a lot of Tom's introversion to being gay. I think so. Yeah. You know, especially in that era in that time. Yeah. And especially in the place where they were at. Right. For safety. Mm-hmm. This time I was really thinking, like, I wonder if Peter gives him a lot of leeway because he imagines Tom's probably used to keeping himself small, right? Like literally in the closet. And so they bring that out and you Each other and it's like, we know Tom is very dangerous. He sees this very sweet, gentle side of him that I think Peter gave him a lot of credit. Yeah, very much so. Yeah. I liked Peter. I was sad. Yeah, I ain't gonna lie. When I saw him and I was hearing it, I was like, no, he did it. Like they're fighting, no, it's not gonna happen. And then he goes into the cabin, I was like, he did. Yeah. And was like, that's this is how it's gonna end, and I was like, man. And it's also so like beautifully artistically done because you don't see Peter in the worker. Yeah. Right? And I mean you see him very brutally kill Dickie. You see him very brutally kill Freddie. He probably would have killed Marge if Peter hadn't walked in. But I love how they cut away and it's already happened. And he's so somber, but you hear it play out Peter's struggle and the suffocation and I'm just like, my god, it's just so sad. It's so dark. It is. I loved it though. It was a good setup to a good ending. I agree. And I like the dark stuff. I'm always drawn to the dark movies. okay, so Matt Damon plays Tom Ripley in a way that makes you almost feel a little sorry for him most of the film, even though we know as the audience that he's a murderer. So I wonder like, what do you think about that juxtaposition or any discomfort around like I know what he's capable of and what he's done, and I'm still drawn in and maybe feel some empathy for him. You would think by watching the way he was studying each and every person to become that person. Yeah. That maybe it was like, you know what, this is just too much. I'm gonna stop here. I think I reached the limit. Yeah. I'm happy with what I've accomplished. Good point. Obviously I'm not gonna get him back home, but I can take him and be him somewhere else. Yeah. Instead of you know what, let's see how far I can push it. Yeah, that's a good point. I wonder what would have ever been enough for Tom. I mean, I think it kind of brings us back to that idea of like he was so terrified of being a nobody that he was almost willing to continually risk and push and push to be somebody. Yeah. And even when he had it, it he was still really him. Right. Like again, it's just a mask. And like he talks about that metaphor. Doesn't everyone have that closet in the basement with everything just shoved inside and it's locked and the key is in your pocket? But yeah, that's a good point that it was just like you would maybe hope that at some point it would be enough. But it was funny because you say wearing a mask and the note that I took that I want everybody to hear is everybody should have one talent. And that that was him saying that too. Yeah. So his talent was being somebody else. Right. You know? Yes. But it goes further than that I think because he's educating himself on how to be proper, how to speak, what to eat and Then yet he still has to flip that switch to become him or to become that other person again and go back to that other education that he got, which I thought was amazing in this movie. Yeah. You know, you have to be a very talented person to pick up all the little tendencies of people left and right from when it from the ring to the top to the hair certain way. You know, so I it was amazing. I I really enjoyed this movie a lot, and I thank you for it. Absolutely. I mean when we were picking, I was like, this is actually the perfect. one because it's so twisty, it's so turny, there's actually so much psychological meat on the bone to like tear apart of just so many layers to this character study. And again, I think it's interesting the characters around him. Right? So like Dickey is so self absorbed. Mm-hmm. When you really think about it, how easy it was for Tom to weasel his way in there. Right. And I think we're supposed to think that Dickie thinks he has all the control. Yeah. And to some extent he does. I think Tom is genuinely rejected and hurt because Dickie casts him aside. For sure. But for all of it, Tom is in control. yeah. Like you said, he's studying, he's learning. He's mimicking, and I think Dickie sees himself as infallible. yeah. Well, it goes down to the part where they were at the beach when they first met. Yeah. When he goes and he sees both of them, and then he's like, Okay, how am I gonna play this? So it's like a game of chess. I don't know my pieces left and right. Yes. So okay, here's my move. Yes, and he even insults. Yeah, just so he can see that dude. And yet Tom is already like puppeteering to go to dinner the next night. And and even at that scene, what stood out to me was again, he he doesn't quite lie. He's actually saying the thing they just misinterpreted. Right. So when Dickie's saying, like, what do you do for a living? He's like forge signatures, right? Impersonate voices, and he's got in love with it. He's telling you, he's actually showing you who he is. Is yeah, but of course you write it off because it he couldn't be a threat. He's this nerdy, quiet, simple kind of guy. Yep, and he poses no threat to me. Exactly. No, I'm from Princeton. I was this person, I was that person. You were just at Princeton. Right. But you know what I mean? They were still using what we talked about a little bit earlier on the show. Not no detail to anything else. Just Princeton. Yes. They just believed it at face value. You didn't know Jim. You didn't know Joe. You didn't know this person. That too. There wouldn't be any conversation of like who were your friends? What classes did you take? Did you have this professor? Did you go to this event? Like it was just yes. And then I think kind of to that point, like Tom was so good at feeding into Dickie's, you know, narcissism that with the jazz and like sprinkling all the little crumbs and like basically saying everything he would know that Dickie would want to hear. yeah. I loved it though. Jazz, I mean, it was it was great. Great setup. I was like, She picked great movie from couldn't have a better movie than that she picked. Yes, so kind of when we're talking about like the Princeton and the class and everything, this wealthy world that Tom is infiltrating never fully lets him in. No matter how perfectly he performs or conforms, what do you think about that idea of like the outsider is always the outsider, no matter what mask they wear? the outsider is always the outsider. You have to. work your way in somehow, some way in order not to feel that way. And that's where it comes down to him you know what intrigued me the most was when he smelled them on the train. So when he went over, leaned over and got that smell, I think that's where he was like, I'm in. Every little single detail, I'm not an outsider no more. interesting. So it was almost like. So like he's kind of figured Dickie out by that point. That's fascinating. See, for me, I was thinking about I don't know if you listened to the most recent episode about Parasite. If you've seen that movie, that was our last episode. But in Parasite, they spend the whole movie dissecting the class, right? And the classism and the layers to that, and their argument. That movie is very much that no matter how well you play it, you're never truly one of them. Yeah, you're always the outsider. And so I kind of had that vibe in this movie too that, like, there's even a line when he's walking with Meredith, yeah, and she says something like, People who've always had money, even though they detest it, are only comfortable with other people who've always had money. Yeah. And I was like, there's the line of the movie, right? No matter how good he was at taking over Dickie's. life or infiltrating the space. Still wasn't one of them. And that to me is just like sad and also I think commentary that's probably still applicable today. And it is because it's funny, I had a conversation earlier with the coworker. He met this lady and that's all she talks about in a stock market and this and that. But that's all she knows. Yeah. And he straight up told her I am not about that. I do not live that life. I'm a simple person. But I feel that I am l on the outside looking into you. And that's not who I am. But the ladies still with that personality, okay, brush it off. You're still that person, but we are you're still an outsider basically. You know? It's it's crazy to think about it. That's the way people live. They don't know nothing else. I know, and I think I there's like that sadder aspect of the darkness in the story is that you know, he was really looking for inclusion and I'm going out on giving him any sort of like empathy. I mean he was a murderous sociopath, I think at the end of the day if I'm gonna diagnose him. For real. and on one level, if I try to really reach for seeing his perspective, is like there is that piece of like feeling humiliated, being excluded. I mean again, from the moment he meets Dickie, even though Dickie lets him in, he belittles him, he gaslights him, he makes fun of him, then he meets Freddie. Yep. And Freddie is the over the top version of poking at him and poking at him and making him less than and for real. And on some level like that does lead to madness or lead to envy and lead to despair. And it's just fascinating to see it depicted with all this like glossy elegance and Italy and opulence. And I know it's funny because Dickie was telling them, I'm gonna take you to this place with me. Yes. You're gonna be part of this event. You're gonna take you to meet this person. I'm gonna take you to this person. And then the friend comes in Freddie comes in. Who Are you? Yeah. You are nobody. Get out of here. Like you are go sightseeing on your own. This is our thing now. But still you're still part of us. Or you can still come along, but you're just You're not included. Yeah. Even if you're included. Exactly. And that really stood out to again too was like I think there's that push and pull of like we're s we're having some empathy for him throughout the movie. And then also you see this darkness in him. yeah. And it's deadly, right? It's literally a deadly part of him. And yet you're just like Like it's so nuanced. Right? It's not this like he's pure evil, he's dangerous, extremely dangerous, and he's also clearly very wounded. Right. Very and being wounded throughout the movie. Yeah. I like what you said earlier too. Was he a killer before we even met him? Right. You know? It's hard to know. And I think it's based on a book, so I don't know how much backstory there is. And I was thinking that too, of like I I think it's it's at least one book, if not more than one. Okay. And so I'm curious if there is more. Backstory about him out there, yeah. but yeah, so kind of speaking about all the layers and the nuances while watching this or after watching this, was there anything that shifted for you and the thinking about envy, right? So, like we typically see envy as a negative emotion, we're like coveting something that someone else has, and the way that it's portrayed in the movie, it's not just a feeling, it's something that really drives him. It kind of constructs his entire world, and so I Just kind of wonder what you felt or thought about his relationship with Envy. I kind of felt bad for him actually because he didn't know who he was, he didn't know where he fit in. Yeah. He was just trying to be somebody where just accept me, but he really wasn't accepted. Yes. So what is the best thing that I can do? Lie. And the world I think right now is Full of a lot of lies. Yeah. A lot of people lie to get to where they need to be or to get in through a certain door that is closed on them. Yeah, I think that's a hundred percent true. And that takes me right back to your earlier comment is I think I can have more empathy when someone has to lie to get in the door. But then it's hard to maintain that empathy when the lies become again dangerous to others and the lying requires you to hurt others. And it isn't just to get that foot in the door. it's now to God only knows like yes cause problems it isn't ever enough it is not because you still feed off of that yeah and that that that That food that you're eating will stick with the food. Well that food that you're eating is building up more strength, more confidence. yeah. And it's taking you to that level where now you're just like, dude, I'm up here. You're down here now. Like I am the dominant person. I'm the alpha now. You are nothing because I got you like a puppet on the strength. Well and that I think takes us to that, you know, titular moment on the boat when Dickie And Tom are alone. And as soon as I think Dickie shows his true colors, he's basically saying to Tom, like, you're a leech, you're boring, you're boring, you creep me out. And then Tom goes right into the like you don't even know who you are, right? Like one day you're knocking up Silvana, and the next minute you're gonna marry Marge, like you don't have any idea who you are. So I think to your point, like as he got a little taste of this and the confidence, he also didn't really even like Dickie at all. But it was like he couldn't live without him and then he had to become him and it just became so convoluted to where like Tom didn't know what he was or who he was and he hated the same exact thing about Dickie but then he was like so enmeshed in wanting to be him my question was what was Dick Dickie's thought? Was he taking him out there to do what he was planning to do? damn or was he out there to say I'm gonna just toss you off the boat, make your way home but On your own, you know, what was he actu what was the intent of that boat right? That is a great I don't know that I've ever thought about that. See, I told you, this happens every time. Somebody gives me a perspective I've never thought about. Do we think that Dickie had the same plan or planned? Because I don't know that Tom planned to kill Dickie, right? He was very reactive. Yeah. But do we think that Dickie planned the boating trip as a way to get rid of Tom? Mm-hmm. That's fascinating. Because eventually there was a point there that I'm breaking up with you. You're not my friend. It is over. But you know what? I'm gonna take it to the extreme. I'm out in the middle of nowhere, nobody knows where I'm at. Right. This is somewhere where I wanna come to be now 'cause I got bored of wherever I was. So mm You know, maybe it's time. I mean I I kinda like that idea because I'll come back to this in a minute. We find out that Dickie's capable of some pretty fucked up shit later. But I guess the way I've always read it was that I thought that Dickie was so again self absorbed that he saw himself as untouchable. Very much and that he thought he could discard Tom with no consequence because it sounds like he's been doing that for a long time. He uses people and discards them, uses people and discards them. And so I really got the sense that it would never cross his mind that Tom would do anything in retaliation. He might cry or he might be upset, but just that like basically a little I felt like he was teaching he was kind of treating him like a a little like, you know, mouse on a string was just kind of like, I'll give you this one last little trip and this one last time together. We'll go to the jazz thing, we'll get on the boat one more time and then you're trash. Goodbye and I'm off without you. I don't I don't know plan to kill him. Yeah. I thought he thought he could discard of him and Tom would never fight back. Yeah. Yep. But that's the dominance in his thoughts. Yeah. When he was like, Okay, cool. This is it. I'm gonna do this and then they started getting into that argument and then he decided to stand up Yeah and pull out his chest and say, You know what, you're boring. So that was a trigger. Yes. That was like, okay dude, there it is. Yeah, and Tom says multiple times like stop and then he hits him with the or and then all bets are off at that point. And I remember that image in the theater not seeing that coming at all. Like I thought maybe they'd fight or something would happen and Tom would flip out. But I don't I distinctly remember when like Jude Law leans up and his face just starts profusely bleeding and I was just like, my God, like this is getting crazy. Because I I don't know that I thought Tom would actually kill Dickie. I I didn't know where it was gonna go. Exactly. And then that's the the transformation Kicks in. I know. You know, now I got another character to add and another person to be and let's go with it. Yes. And now it's like I'm not just evading answers, I'm explicitly lying and so good at puppeteering. yeah. So much work. It's a lot of work, I gotta tell you. But I it's the same thing that I said earlier. You see it more now. People portraying who they really ain't. Yes. So best advice that I can give to everybody is just be who you are and lead by example, you know. It you don't have to be these people that are out there that are social media influencers or you know, we all want to be athletes, we all wanna be musicians, we all wanna be models. eventually that wasn't our past. So be who you are and be the best person that you can be. You know. Yeah. It takes a lot less energy to be authentic than it does to construct an entirely fake identity and try to live up with that and then have to deal with the consequences. Well who knows how many characters he was, like I said, like you said, like I know. How many people like who is this dude? I know, and and now I really want to do more of that research and kind of figure out like is there ever in the books or any other like depictions of this more of who he was that led him to this. You know what's so funny about the movie? I was thinking, you know, you you like you said, we were having fun comedy and everything. Yeah. He reminded me of a Medea slash Professor Clump movie. Like there's so many characters, but yet it's the same person. Right, right. Except I don't think anyone got That's the lighter version of like have someone having to take on older personas. I love it. I love that leap. so I guess kind of talking about like all the darkness, I found it so interesting and and quite beautiful too that it's shot in Italy. You know, the backdrop is always very like sun soaked, vibrant, really gorgeous, and it's really a contrast to the darkness of the story and the darkness that's going on within Tom and just What did you think about that kind of ongoing juxtaposition of the beauty and the horror throughout the whole film? It was beautiful, that's all I gotta say. It was like walking into your office. It was bright throughout the whole movie. The only dark that you saw throughout the movie was when they were at the jazz club and he was messing around with all the women. When at nighttime when he was getting clowned on. And at when the boat when they were on the boat. boat it was dark. When he did his last killing, it was dark. But everything else was just bright. Yeah. You know, it's just like every horror movie that you see. When there's red coming or that little significance of red, there's something happening. You gotta like perk up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I thought that was really cool. and just the whole atmosphere itself was just beautiful. I mean I've never been to Rome, Italy. That's one of my spots that I I'm gonna go to. But it's crazy how everybody out there just is carefree. So they don't really pick up or notice a lot of different things. Like when he was carrying them out to the car after he was dead, he's this is just my drug friend. He's feeling you're so drunk talking to Friday who's literally dead on his arm. Yeah, but another dark moment. Yeah. When did he get killed? In a dark room. Night, you know, yeah that was crazy. Well, and I think what's interesting too, and other movies have done this well, is that the backdrop is just this interesting juxtaposition of like the days just keep going and life keeps moving on, and like Tom is this kind of leech, right? Who's like moving through the world and he's causing so much pain and chaos but then he looks so dapper and he's so charismatic and nothing stops. For sure. Right? Like it's just one more city and one more dress shop and one more night at the the opera and one more day at this restaurant and Yeah, I wouldn't mind. Yeah, I know. Hopefully again, not at the cost of killing anybody. For real, for real. Yeah. But I love that though, the fact that they implemented a lot of I I'm a big jazz fan. I'm big into the opera now, but if anybody goes out to operas I recommend because they're a story. Yes. They're not just singing to sing and to hear those vocals. They're telling you a story in their own way. And I think the music and the city helps out with that atmosphere in this movie. absolutely. I mean it to my memory, like every time we're introduced to the music, it's really mirroring what's happening in the story. Right. So like when they first go to the jazz club and Tom has really weasel way in and Dickie's singing and playing the saxophone and and Tom comes up, it's it's mirroring, right? Like the budding of the friendship and he's literally including Tom into this part of his life. And then, even as they get to the jazz fest later and Dickie's kind of like stepping away from Tom. Even that music mirrors it. And then when Tom plays piano, it's often very like somber. Right. And it's very reflective of like all of his darkness kind of pouring out of him. And I'm pretty sure I don't know opera well enough. Maybe you know, but which opera they go to when he goes with Meredith. Mm-hmm. but I think what we're interpreting is whatever's happening on the stage, these two men having this dual I thought that was I wanted to bring that one up too as well. When he saw The two people on the stage and the one guy pulled the trigger and he saw him pull the gun down and just look at the body on the floor. Yes. His eyes were like, This is what's happening now. Right. This is is my life right now. Right. You know, I thought that was so cool. And again, I don't know which opera that is, and I don't speak Italian. It seemed to be communicating that these two men had a relationship. Something happened that led them to this moment. There's a duel. One shoots the other and the one who shoots goes over to hold him. And I think we just said the whole story. I am exactly exactly so beautiful. To mirror the story that we're watching, right? Like that meta aspect of it. And then again, later when Tom's playing piano with Peter and he's telling us that very insightful story about how he has the closet with everything trapped in it behind lock and key, and the music is so somber and so yeah. And it's like you can feel his internal world coming out in the music. Yeah. I liked it too when they were at the last place that they took him to say goodbye and Dickie's mind was changing too. He wanted to change and pick up different habits. Like when he said, You know what, I'm done playing the sex, I wanna play the drums. Yes. So he was like trying to push him away and trying to get him to say, like, Well, who are you? Like I don't like this Dickie. I like that old Dickie. Yeah, that's a good point. So it was just like okay, I see where he's getting, you know, he's trying to brush him off slowly. Yeah. And trying to not have him like who he is now so he can just slowly push him away before everything else just such a good point, is that Dickie very much also mirrors Tom in regards to not having a set identity, being almost like overly adaptable, right? Like clearly we know in the story that Dickie has an affair with Silvana. She gets pregnant, he won't marry her. Catholic and she dies by suicide which was like the worst thing she could do, right? And so his solution is just to move to another city and start over because he no longer wants to be here. It doesn't serve him. Right. And you're right, like he's listening to a different kind of jazz. He wants to give up the saxophone, he wants to pick up the drums, he just wants to start over, pick a new apartment, right? And just be like another version of himself. And I think I look back at the story to think that, okay, yo, you didn't make it in the US, so you had to go to a foreign country, like who Who were you here? Were you Tom? At that point? Were you that person that was not allowed in? Were you thinking that if I leave and become Dickie but a different version of Dickie out here, will I be accepted into the world? Will that will I not be that outsider no more? Well, and what's interesting is I think when we're at the it's not really the end because there's so many acts of this movie, but there's the scene where Tom meets the investigator. Yeah. And And Marge has already figured out that Tom is no good. Right. So Dickie's dad takes Marge on a walk. Yeah. And she's like hysterical. Like she knows he's the one when he finds the rings. Right, exactly. But then the investigator's outside with Tom, and he basically says that Dickie has like a crazy temper and almost beat a guy to death. Yeah. And that's how he ended up coming to Europe. Was because I guess he graduated from Princeton, but he was in big trouble. Right. And to make it go away, dad just shipped him off and gave him all this money. Right. And so I was thinking like I like your perspective of wondering, like, was Dickie an outsider? Mm-hmm. And it makes me wonder too, like, what was the darkness in Dickie that we didn't see as much because we're supposed to see him more as a victim. We did see part of the glare. Yes. We saw it when he saw that the person he loved was brought up from the water when she floated up in the water and nobody was there to save him. To save her. Yeah. And it took the ambulance like he said, took him thirty minutes, forty five, nobody cares. But he could have done something. That's it. But he did not want to get caught in his own life. His own mischiefs. Yeah. So that's when he started flipping out. And that's when we started, I think, to see the real Dickie. Yeah, that's a great point. What he's really capable of. Yeah. So was it suicide? that's a that's a good point. You know what I mean? You know what I loved about that scene? First of all, I am a Catholic. I love statues, I love churches, I love all that. It's beautiful. When I saw the the saint come out of the water. such an amazing scene. Yes. But she didn't have nothing holding her down when she came up. She came up at a float. So somebody had to put her somewhere somehow and you know in order for her to come up at that exact moment and exact time where they were at too as well, so somebody can see it was suicide. Nah, I think somebody planned it out to be a death So this will be on the research docket after we're done recording because I mean I thought it was bad enough that he cheated on Marge, he knew she was pregnant, she came to him, he was unwilling to either marry her or I guess help her abort it. I don't know if that was an option back then. But he did nothing. Yeah. And he blamed himself. Now, with your point and what we find out about him later and his capacity for violence and selfishness and again self absorption to protect himself over anything else. Do we think that Dickie was capable of murder to kill it? Yeah. That is fascinating. The other thing too was is fascinating that now that we're talking about that topic, his friend that comes in, I forget their names. Freddie? Freddie comes in. Freddie really didn't like Dickie. Freddie was kind of like hey, I'm just here because probably you have money and I hang out with you and you're popular, but I know what you're capable of. Because you could see it in his eyes and when they were talking and then when Dickie disappeared, he was like when he picked up the saxophone, that's when it clicked to me. He was like, he doesn't even like to play this. He's not good at it. He's not good at it. Yeah, so it was just like who are you and what Where are you and what is your role with Dickie? And it sounds like from the times that Tom would talk to Meredith, she's like, everybody knows Freddie. Everybody knows what Freddie's about. Right. So it almost makes me wonder, are they friends through circumstance? Right. Right? Money, access, and maybe being shitty people. Right. That's a great point. And it was fascinating because yeah, really at the end of the day, it didn't really seem like anybody liked anybody. Maybe Marge loved Dickie, but we found out she didn't even know the real Dickie. the version of Dickie in Italy where the dad and the investigator make the line about like there's things that you know Marge doesn't know about Dickie that we pray she never finds out, like the Sylvana stuff. Yep, yep, yep. So interesting. Yeah, there was a little kick here and there and I was just like Cool, I see where you guys are coming. Like you guys are kinda all the same, except for her. She's the peaceful one. Because like you said, when dad came and investigator came, who was dad? And why is the investigator helping these guys out to say, hey, I'm gonna give you this amount of money, you're good. And dad was like, You know what? We have our secret, and now you Tom are gonna have a secret to carry on, but I'm gonna take care of you too as well. And that's an excellent point because even in the gosh can't remember Dickie's dad's name, but even in the Mr. Greenleaf and Dickie relationship, he makes that line about how like people say you can't choose your parents that you also can't choose your kids. Exactly. And it sounds like or seemed like the dad's motivation was more to protect the family and the company name than it was really out of love for his son. For sure. Right? Because the investigators said like we found the license plates to Freddie's car in the basement and dad wants me to lose these in the river this afternoon. So he was willing to pay anything just for the appearance of everything going away. For sure. And he was stuck. Like, nope, it was my son. I'm good. I know who's Yeah, exactly. Like I'm aware of what he's capable of, but I don't need to address it. Which is really fascinating, I think, as we've had this conversation, is like, okay, I would honestly diagnose Tom as a sociopath. The other people on the table are not great. Yeah. And not very healthy either. Like there's some darkness, I think, in all of them, except For maybe Margin, maybe Peter. I think Meredith was also kind of just obtuse, like she didn't know what was going on. I think she was attracted again to like the money sees money, my money sees the money in you, and you're like cut from the same cloth kind of thing. But kind of in that, like we're we see Meredith apparently fall completely for Tom. However, it's a version that doesn't exist. So, like, what do you think about maybe her role in all these players where she seems very like innocent and she's also And dumbfounded. I I don't like to use it. Yeah, you know what I mean? Dumbfounded's a good word. Like what's going on? Like what is your thought process right now? Is there a thought process? I'm having fun and having the best time of my life with this and I am gonna write it till I you know Yeah I can. But other than that it's just I like the dumbfounded one. Alright. So another piece kind of in this vein of the falsehood and the misleading, when we think about Tom killing too, he's really killing to protect this life that he's constructed. And we kind of talked about this already. I think part of the sadness and the tragedy is that what he's holding on to and trying to protect isn't real either. At all. And so it's kind of like why What do we think about someone who works so hard to maintain something that isn't even real? It is exhausting because I was exhausted. I'm like, bro, I play characters, but I can't keep up with this guy. Exactly. Cause I get told that so much too, like, bro, you're like everywhere. You do this, you do that. Like, how do you maintain yourself? And I think to myself, and I was like, Whoa, this is something that I have to do. Yeah. So this is something that has been implemented in myself, from hard working to educating myself to being successful to wanting what I want and that is just to be comfortable in my own skin. And I think that Tom, right? Yes. He was comfortable in everybody else's skin. But his own. But his own. Yeah. I think that's really the the key in the sadness is that again for whatever led him to be who he was, if there's a backstory we don't know it. I think it's one of those things where yeah, the threat of being his himself as he was, yeah, was so great that even though it's exhausting, the the false reality, the co the constructed reality was like the only thing He could tolerate. Even though I just kept thinking, like, this seems like so much work. it is. So many eyes. So many chess pieces to your point. Like just having to hold all that all the time and get away with it. And I think that that last scene when he was on the boat, when he sees Meredith, right? Yep. For that one time where he's just where his heart just drops. You can just set and you felt it too. You're like, okay, I'm going on a boat ride with this guy, and I'm in the clear, I got the money. I I made it and then you turn around and you're just like, Yeah, literally his lies got up to it. A hundred percent. Mm-hmm. And I was thinking about this too, is like how genuinely happy do we think Tom was with Peter? 'Cause it comes across as pretty genuine at the time. Yeah. Or was it a setup, you know? Exactly. That's like what I was struggling with is because it's so dark, I don't know. It's hard to tell. But it goes back to that question that you asked me about the lady. Meredith too, she when they met each other, they're like, I'm not really this person. Right. You know she played a game too. Yeah, so like everybody was living a totally different life. Yeah. Thro throughout this whole movie. And there was a line I think earlier when Marge was kind of trying to be kind to Tom 'cause he was feeling left out when Freddie came in the picture and she says like, you know Dicky shines a light on you, it's like the sun, when he t like takes it away, it's very cold. And she like lists out I think she lists Peter as one of those people. So this time when I was re-watching it, it made me think about like what had happened with Dickie and Peter. Right. Something it sounds like right. He was still friends with Marge. So I think that's interesting too that he was kind of in that sphere for some amount of time. For sure. And then cast aside or rejected or just tossed away. But then March still kept him around. Right. Yeah. And like so then it made me wonder a little bit more about Peter's motivations too and like what kept him in that circle if he had been mistreated by Dickie as well. Yeah. I but I guarantee you it was 'cause like I said, y they didn't like each other. They were just using each other for either the fame, the fortune, yeah, or just the access. Yeah, that was it. The experiences. I had that thought this time more too, is like what's keeping any of them in relation with each other at all? For sure. Other than maybe the class argument like they're just made from the same stuff so it's easier to be phonies with each other because I think they think they're better than everybody else. And they did. Yeah. They did. You can tell too just the way they were talking, the way they were carrying themselves. Yeah. if you notice you know I I took phone class for a while back in college and that was just yesterday in 2001. Same time as right right but You you notice just the main characters. You forget to see what's happening in the background. even though as we talked about earlier, how bright this movie is. Right. But those main characters, they stick out like a sore thumb, even though as bright as the movie is. Mm. Which is kinda weird 'cause just like, dude, like what's happening? Like there's so much other stuff going around us, but our main focus is just right there. Yeah, so the way it's shot really always makes them the focus. Even though they're set in this beautiful setting and scenery. They pop out. Yeah, they really do Do and I thought too this time, like the costuming is such a character as well of like again the the luxury and the lavishness of it. I mean, yeah, I like that luxury too. I don't know if I'm getting you know a custom suit made all the time like they were, but and even then you know they had to sort of like nag Tom all the time because he didn't have enough clothes or like his tweed jacket and like when are you gonna get a new coat, dude? Right constantly, and like you have more than one. even if they accepted him part of the acceptance was to bully him. Yeah. Like at every turn. I thought it was so funny when he would tell him, dude, you don't have to pick up all the time. You don't have to do this all the time. I mean, I'm a well mannered person, let me tell you. And my father was the one that taught me dude everywhere you go you pick up after yourself. You make sure that you're the one, you know? Yeah. And I think that's what was also like triggering him to like stop. You know, this is not what it is over here. This is not how it's supposed to be. Live free, be free, who cares? You know, a carefree life. Well, and I think kind of the hard part about that is though I think Dickie was coming from that place of privilege and entitlement, and it was another thing that highlighted that Tom wasn't really one of them. It's because Dickie's just too selfish to think of cleaning up after himself. And seeing Tom do those little things, I think was like a mirror back to kind of the again, the dark sides of it. Dickie. He just doesn't care. He doesn't care about anybody but himself really at the end of the day. Selfish, yeah. Correct. So by the end, I mean, how were you left feeling? Like what resonated, maybe disturbed or heartbroken or intrigued? Like, where did you land? Each three of those I gotta say. I was heartbroken just because the last guy, Peter, was genuine and nice dude. You know, I came. Into a wrongs, I came in into just like the real world. I was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and I thought that this person was great. Yeah, I got taken advantage of, and this is my consequence. Yeah. I felt like I said earlier, I I run a podcast. This is me genuinely. Trust me, I have a lot of energy, I'm all over the place, I'm a happy guy. But at my other jobs. You have to be kind of the same same person, but yet be a little bit different. Right. So you have to adapt to your environment, yeah, is what I like to say. And I saw him adapting to each and every environment, and he was doing a great job of it, but at the same time, he was educating himself for what was to come. Right. And he thought I'm gonna get away with it. for sure. He was very confident, I think, in the his ability to run the scheme. for sure. Yeah. For sure. And at the same time and at the same time I was worried because it goes back to what is happening now. Who is this person that we are seeing? Yeah. Who really are you compared to what you put yourself as on the social media aspect or to the real world because it is happening now and you can tell that it has happened before. So you know it's reoccurring. Yeah, and I think a lot about too like it's hard to know like as you're meeting someone like to trust that the version you're getting is the true version of themselves. And even just you know, obviously as a therapist, like helping someone to want to find the true version of themselves takes a lot of work and takes a lot of vulnerability and a lot of people struggle with that. They get to a certain point and they don't want to look any further, they don't want to go down to that room and open up whatever's in there. And so I think you know, social media and what we've gotten used to has also created a pathway to allow Yeah. And almost enforce this idea that it's okay not to do that and it's actually like a better version of yourself. To be the curated version. And I think in in my professional world especially, I just I find that sad. I think that it's really disconnecting us as people. a lot. Because it takes so much to find that true version of yourself and I think a lot of people just don't want to. Exactly. The the demand to do that is going down. It is. It's like all the curated versions are getting together. and nobody ever really knows. It is. And the other thing too is just like I I want I like to use that word. It was eye opening for me. Yeah. Because it was like, Man, if one person can do it, how many other people are doing this too? yeah. And getting away with all this? You know, it might not be murder that they're getting away with which I hope you're not, but it's just what are you truly getting away with? You know Well and I mean I think again if we bring it to like current times, people use deceit to get what they want all the time. I mean just at our current state in the world and our country, if it gets people what they want, they hurt people all the time. Again, may not be murder, but it's you know, polluting the water, it's killing the ecosystem, it's putting out unsafe products, but we're rushing the process 'cause we just want to go to market, we want to make money. And how many of these people are are leaders? Literally, exactly. The ones who have all the power who don't ever have to be held accountable for who they really are and just kind of maintain. Maintain that facade and the deceit because it works for them, regardless of how many people are hurting. And I love that word that you just use power. Yes. So this movie was a big power trip. Yeah. If you look at it correctly, because Dickie had all the power, you know, and then he did. When Tom came in, he was he wanted that power. Yes, I see. Yes. Yeah, and then when he got kicked out, he lost that power, but then Freddie came in and he had the power and then the power all of a sudden started fading away where it came back to one more person having all that power. Yeah. And it took one more person to be like, dude, you're at this level. Yeah. And again he he was willing to sacrifice everything to maintain what he had grasped onto. You know, he was like clinging to it and then eventually was murdering people to maintain. Yeah. Like there was nothing at that point he wasn't willing to sacrifice. It was a game of clue. Yes. Again, a much, much more sharper game of clue. I love that movie. I love that movie too. That was a great movie. yeah. Absolutely. But yeah, so kind Of like as we're starting to wrap up, Tom ends this film really utterly alone, again surrounded by so much beauty, except he's destroyed everything and even the closest thing to something real he could have had, and like how did that hit you seeing where he landed at the end? The man in the mirror. Yes Who was that man in the mirror sitting on the floor crying? Yeah. That's where I was like, mm, now he and and the best thing about it was that angle. Yes. So I'm staring at this w that the the cabin. Yes. But the mirror's right here and I love the way the director did it. It come in and come out. From the the locking of the boat. Yes. And so like who is this dude? Yes. Who am I? This is truly and I thought that was that's what hit me to be like, okay, this This was a great movie. It was a badass movie. I agree. And just yeah, it's just so complicated. It is. And it's it's I think a hallmark of a a really well done movie is that again it wasn't a clear line. Even though I really do think professionally Tom is a sociopath, the way the story unfolds, the way he's portrayed, you could see being swept up in him. And seeing those parts of him, especially when he is so skilled at giving you what you want to see. For sure. Like it's that's the part that makes it almost more of a horror movie to me, is to think like how would you, if you were one of those people, spot the deceit or would you be sucked into it? It's funny how you say that. Is it a horror movie? 'Cause it's suspense, yeah you know, it's adventure. Psychological. Yeah, it has everything. Hey, has that I know. It has like that Horror of humanity piece that I'm a big fan of It's not a big boogeyman like lurking at night. It'll be twenty some years to watch this movie. Better late than never. Hey, I'm alright with it. Yes. So kind of with that, is there anything you think you would have understood differently or it would have hit differently if you'd either A seen it when it was new or seen it at a different point in your personal life? I think right now the perfect time to see it. I'm I'm that kind of person that things happen for a reason at the moments when they need to happen. Yeah. You know, and watching this movie now, I look back at how he was a a young actor, you know, a coming up actor and one of the best roles that he played where I can go back and watch a movie like we talked about earlier, I still watch VHS movies. Yeah. Where I can pull this movie out to the day right now and say, We all need to sit down and watch this movie because this movie is a lot better what we're seeing on the screens right now. So it feels like right time, right place. Right place. Kind of the opposite of what we were saying earlier for Peter. Mm-hmm. But like being able to kind of appreciate how almost well it aged. Yeah, very well. Yeah. I mean I think even it's set in the fifties which helps it almost be ageless. Right. Like there's no cell phone to distract you, like an old computer to distract you. Like there's nothing that you're gonna point to and be like, wow, this movie was shot in the nineties. even though it was yeah, I mean I think the themes that we've discussed today are timeless. Very much so. Right? Yep. And and it goes back to what we've been talking about a lot. You see it more now in the real back in the day, maybe because we were younger, we were so skeptical of what we wanted to be in life. You know, we weren't really paying attention to that. Yeah. And we were like, Hey, I'm living, I'm having fun, I wanna grow up. I still probably don't know what I wanna do. Right. I mean we st we knew what we wanted to do, but at the same time I wanna have fun. So we were mesmerized by our adventure, by our journey. Yeah. And now we sit down and watch this movie and I'm like Damn. Okay. This is interesting. Yeah, it makes you think. Yeah. I love that. I'm a thinker. I'm a big fan of that. yeah. So if you flash forward a week from now, what image or moment from the film do you think will live rent-free in your head? What's gonna stick with you? What's gonna stick with me? The fact that this is a very powerful movie that I recommend everybody to see because trust is a big issue in the world right now and among amongst people and amongst us yeah that we who really is that person sitting on your couch? Yeah. Who is that person that you're really calling a friend? And how well do you know that person, you know, and I think accountability of course has gone out the window nowadays. responsibility has gone out the window too as well. Yeah. Like my circle has gotten smaller as the years go by. Yep. And now it's like who like they asked me, Hey, you do you talk to that person and I was like, nah, I talked to about three, four people. As a school teacher I would always tell my kids, you have This many friends right now in elementary school. Yeah. In high school, you're gonna have about this many. When you graduate, you're gonna have about this many. When you get out into college, you're gonna about have that many. Yeah, and when you grow older, you're probably gonna have about that many. Yeah, you know what? And that's what this movie I think really reflects on me. Like me teaching the younger youth back in the day when I was teaching that hey, it it comes back tenfold and it all goes in full circle. But you need to trust the people. People that you choose because sometimes you just don't know. Well, and I think a part of that too though, kind of to a point you made several times today, is you have to want to be discerning to even choose. For sure. And so I think the hard part is I worry, let me put it that way, that a lot of people rather have the ten, regardless of the quality or the actual depth and like the knowing who they are, than to do that work that you're talking about to have the three. Right. That they actually really know who these people are. That work and you know who you are and the relationship is built on something more than maybe class or status or access. Yeah. Yeah, so I think that's a great point and I think kind of the the the worrisome part of that is I don't know how many people value that. Yes. That's the key word value. Whatever is your value? And how do you value yourself? And yeah, and the relationships and who you let in that sphere for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean I think for me, like I was saying it before, the image part that will always stay with me was when Tom hits Dickie with the ore. Yeah. And that image is just completely frozen in my brain tied to this movie. So you want to talk about that image? My image was the one that we talked about when they shot him on the stage. Yeah. And you're not seeing you know what happened. Yep. But when He approaches him and you see that the the blood, which is actually the you know like a cough or something. But then that's that's the image that stuck out to me the most. Which I think mirrors, right? Exactly. So I'm talking about the literal image and you're talking about the metaphor that's elicited when Tom sees the two good people come together at the right time. I know. I love it. Awesome. Any last thoughts about the talented Mr. Ripley? First time. again guys, check this out. Zia Records. Thank you very much. I had to go and get this and check it out for the first time. One of the best movies I've ever seen, I gotta say, and I am mesmerized by how well it was put. It took me a long time to see it, but I'm very grateful for the opportunity to watch it, come here and speak about it and also come here and be on your podcast. It was such an honor. Yeah. Dissected. Yeah, for sure, for sure. for all my movie fans that are out there, I gotta tell you, pick up a good movie. It's like picking up a good book. Yeah. And enjoy movies. I love them. Especially the older movies, trust me. Yes. And watch something you've never seen. Yeah. I think that's the fun part. Like pick up something you've never seen and just give it a chance. yeah. Yeah, now we have we like our comfort movies and the comfort shows where we watch it over and over. Totally fine. I do that too. But I think it's great sometimes to just be like, I've never seen this. Let's just see what's up. See what it's about. Be different. Watch something different too as well. It it never hurts. You might like it, you might not, you might hate it. But the same time you saw something that is gonna change your mind. Yeah, and it's gonna make your mind think. And I love that. So one thing I'm doing at the end of every app at the end of every episode, excuse me, is asking people, and you might not know on the spot, you can send it to me later. But what's one movie that you've seen and love that maybe I've never seen that you would recommend? We talked about this. Yeah. And you're a movie person, so that's hard. I know, it's fun because I built I'm building a list. Jeez. Mm-hmm. you know what? I you put me on the spot on that one. Yeah. Because I would really have to look back at my movie collection to think like, hey, I don't think she's seen this one, but I bet you she has. But mm okay. That one I do have to do. I love this. This will be it to be considered great. No, it's fun. And I like putting people on the spot a little bit at the end. Yeah, no, I love it. I love it. 'Cause I do that all the time too. All right, well please remind everybody where they can find you. Guys, my name is Christopher Felix, I'm from Ohio. And I represent the valley very well. you can find me on my handles at StreetsChris One, my Instagram, HODS Podcast, also my other Instagram page, my Facebook page, HODS Podcast, my YouTube at El Profe Streets. and you can find me, trust me, all over the valley. I mean, you are so busy and embedded. I love seeing what you're doing all the time and introducing me to other businesses and other places, all these things. Things I want to jump on board with when I don't know life slows down on one day. Right, right. but thank you so much for coming and hanging out. You're welcome. I hope you all enjoyed another episode. You can find me on Instagram at dr.sophia murphy. You can find our podcast on Instagram at Scene Interpretation Pod. you can find it on Apple. Podcasts, YouTube, website, sceneinterpretationpod.com. Hopefully you're having a great time hanging out with me. Still lining up some awesome people to come talk about more great movies. And if you are following, like, subscribe, leave some feedback. I want to know what you're liking, what's standing out to you. And if you have cool answers to questions that we were asking, share the information. Cinephile to Cenophile. What are we missing? What is the actual answer to some of these questions? And if not, we can just chit chat about it too. I love it. Love it. Until next time, bye. Later. Hey, give us a recommendation too. Absolutely, yes. Drop some recommendations. Till next time.