Scene Interpretation: back to another episode of Scene Interpretation. I am Dr. Sophia Murphy. I'm a licensed therapist here in Arizona and I am a huge, huge, huge fan of all things cinema and movies and I've been having such a great time on this podcast chatting with my favorite people about my favorite movies. Today is no different. My shirt is a little bit of a spoiler if you can see it. Today I am hanging out with the lovely Olivia who I adore and we're going to be talking about Jurassic Park. So if you want to introduce yourself, we'll go from there. Sure, my name's Olivia. I also enjoy movies, but I guess maybe not as much as Sophia because I haven't seen Jurassic Park prior to this. But ⁓ It's been on my list. Just one of those things I never got around to, so excited to chat about it. Well, and honestly, it just means I'm lucky because I get to hang out with you as you come upon this classic. Right. You're right. I mean, it was fun because you have seen a lot of movies. It's not like you don't watch them. And when we were chatting, like you were even throwing movies I haven't seen, and I was taking notes, so that's an exciting thing we'll get to at the end. And ⁓ for those who have been watching and listening, we started this whole podcast with Jaws, because Jaws is the movie that really made me love. Of movies because it scared me, it thrilled me. I couldn't understand how they got away with it, how they actually got that on screen. And Jurassic Park is right there. So I distinctly remember this is how old I am when reading the newspaper for movie reviews and like waiting excitedly to see what Siskel and Evert would say about a movie and what the local film person was for your local newspaper would say about the movie. And there was all this buzz about how scary the This movie was, how graphic it was, people were like leaving the theater. It wasn't really for kids, even though it was a Spielberg movie. And so, of course, I had to see it because I needed to know like what could be so crazy about this movie. I had no idea what to get into or what I was getting into. And so now it's funny as an adult because I realized two of my most probably like mind-bending movies that made me fall in love are Spielberg movies. And his favorite director is all over this, yes. And rewatching it, you can see so many parallels to Jaws as well, and the way that he builds tension and all the little details. But yeah, so I'm so excited that you were willing to do this one. Interested in crossing it off your classics list. Yes, definitely. ⁓ because wow, it really has, I think, so much influence on the culture. So I guess what was your relationship to this movie, even though you hadn't seen it? I just knew it existed. I knew it was a park with diamonds. Dinosaurs and the dinosaurs get out somehow and start hurting people. Like that kind of thing. And I think I have seen one of the newer Jurassic Park ones. I think it's the one where like Is it like Bryce Dallas Hall Howard? I don't know. She gets like picked up. There's three with her. ⁓ okay. Well, it's one, I think, the one where she dies, maybe. She doesn't die. ⁓ okay, maybe not. Something like that. Always in peril. Okay. Well that one. I think that is the one that I saw. Whatever that one is. ⁓ so it seems like it was similar of like, Yes. You know, rich person opens a park. Yep. No safety precaution. The hubris. Yeah, people die. Like that's kinda that's kind of it. So I was like, okay. Probably be similar, but I think it was a lot more fun to watch than that what I remember from that one, and then like the The trailers that I've seen for all of the others, like subsequent ones that have come out of like, ⁓ my gosh, this actually looks really good. I think that was the first thing I said like when work my partner and I I was wow, the CGI is like actually kind of really good. And then the puppets obviously like insane. But I was like, this looks really good for being what ninety-three or something. I was this looks really, really good. Absolutely. Well, and I think you nailed something that unfortunately the newer movies are always trying to capture, which is that awe and wonder of seeing a dinosaur on screen in a way that I mean, again, logically, you know it's not real, it viscerally, you go with it, like it captures you. And that's one of the things that I remember too was the CGI. for the time, it was groundbreaking. But the moment you see an actual part of the dinosaur, or even the little triceratops that's sick yeah, and they clearly built this entire animatronic dinosaur for them to interact with. And a little kid, I I do remember asking, like, did they out how to clone dinosaurs? Like, you're like, Is this real? Is this actually an actual place on the planet you can go to? Like, how did they put this on screen? Right. ⁓ And I that part really actually. Still holds up because the suspense, ⁓ the music we'll get into, but the whole experience really brings you along, yeah, for sure. I definitely knew the music too. Yes, the the main theme. I had definitely heard that before, so I was like, ⁓ right, right, right. It's we're coming together, I guess. Yeah, I love it. ⁓ so basically, kind of with that, the T Rex reveal is one of the most like culturally cinematic, I would say celebrated moments. ⁓ I'm wondering if like knowing. seen it if it changed how you experienced it or if you noticed were you like waiting for it or were you just along for the ride? I think I was definitely waiting for it because I don't know, because you know they go on on the ride and they're like kind of going through and you're not seeing any of the dinosaurs. And so it was just kind of like, ⁓ gosh, you know something bad's gonna happen. And like I think the whole time basically I was just like why is no one moving faster to like fix things? Why are there no safety precautions in place it feels like not they like I just was like so baffled the whole time especially because the ⁓ the the wealthy guy, I forget what his name is. Hammond? Sure. The the the older man. Yes. Yeah. his grandchildren are on the and was like, why are we not acting with more urgency with his questions? Like the little children like that are on this ride. Yeah, so I was wa yeah, I was definitely waiting for it 'cause it's like we haven't seen anything really yet of like the big scary things that we we've seen the velociraptor like rip apart the cow kind of. But like we haven't seen the actual like scary dinosaurs yet. So yeah, it's like when is where is it? Where is it gonna come? Where? So Yeah. No, I agree and even rewatching it, I think it's it's interesting to see how much time it takes to get to the shit show. Right. Right. And so like to your point, like the lighting is bright. the music is cheery, ⁓ when they first get in the Jeeps and they're like setting out, it's very like upbeat. When they first even get there and they have to watch that little video about the DNA and like how they made it, it's like a kids theme. Yeah, like I'm at Disney Correct. And you're like chill and with them and curious and excited. Nothing bad could happen if you're presenting it like that. Like obviously nothing bad would happen. Yes. Yeah. And so I wonder what you thought about some of maybe like those Easter eggs. So even when they go to the raptor enclosure and they feed it the cow again, daylight, outdoors, brightly lit, like the mood is very like chill. And at the same time we're juxtaposing this must contain an incredibly dangerous creature that we have to feed with a crane. And then the one guy who works in the park is explaining to you because they started attacking the handlers. Right. And then they attack the electric fences and they've been testing it for weaknesses and they remember. And so when I was rewatching, I was like Well, this is telling us right now what we're up against before we're maybe even on our radar what we're up against. So I wonder how that part landed. Definitely, 'cause I think I definitely 'cause I took notes as well. I think I put some of that stuff too of like when they were in like the lab too with the scientists and stuff like that. I think I think they were saying stuff like that of like, ⁓ my gosh, like why like they're saying, ⁓ they're all ⁓ They're all female dinosaurs, so like nothing like they can't reproduce. That's not gonna happen. And then what it I was a Jeff Goldblum who's like life finds a way or something like that. Yeah, so which I my Alex, my partner, he also was like, ⁓ that's really famous. I like, I've never heard that. So then they said it was like, ⁓ no, I've never heard that. I was like great line though. But I loved it. But I was like, yeah, I was like, they they kind of were setting up all of the yeah, you're totally right of like these bad things are gonna happen and they're telling you exactly kind of how they're gonna happen. Yeah. And I also really honed in this time too that we actually see the raptor for the first time as the baby. It's the one that comes out of the egg. Yeah. And for some reason that hit different when I was re-watching it of like that's our actual first like full dinosaur interaction because when they see the gronosaurus, obviously it's huge and it's very moving, but they can't interact with it. And so when they interact with this little newly hatched velociraptor, we're still supposed to recognize like this is a lethal animal that looks cute because it was just born, but we're treating it like it's a human baby. True. Just so much hubris of like, ⁓ it's so cute. It's being bored and it's like that thing will rip your innards out. And wasn't he like kind of like chewing on his like n ⁓ finger like how like puppies do or whatever too? But it was like, ⁓ yeah, 'cause he doesn't have any TV or some like It's just like this really interesting mix of again, like yeah, treating it so like chill and happy and you're right, no urgency at all because again, like this is a contained environment. Supposedly, ⁓ and nothing could go wrong, right? Which I just think is so interesting. So, yeah, I'm wondering if ⁓ knowing that. this movie really changed what movies movies could look like, kind of going back to the CGI, how that might have affected any thoughts of how you were supposed to feel about it versus just like feeling how you felt when you watched it. I think definitely when I watch like older movies, I it tends to especially I think the ones that are supposed to be the classics and stuff, you're like Well it's a classic and groundbaking for a reason. So I think you kind of even if maybe sometimes the CGI looks like kind of cheesy to our standards or something like that, you're like, ⁓ like of its time You had to think of its time, like probably what the audiences were experiencing. So I think that like I was definitely experiencing that. But then, but it was so good too. So I wasn't, I didn't think that it was like, ⁓ like good job, like pat on the back, good job, like you tried for your time. But it actually, like, it still very much holds up. Like, yeah, when you see those big, like, I don't know, when the he's sleeping in the tree with the kids and the big one comes up. Like those are the same Rhonosaurus. Yeah, exactly. I should this movie. I know this movie. Don't know the kids of dinosaurs. But he comes up. but I'm like, ⁓ my gosh, how incredible to like have that that puppet or animatronic like eating the p the leaves and like I don't know, just the interaction with it was so cool. So it really felt like fresh even though it was older. I don't know, it felt it felt fresh and new and Yep, exactly. It really lands still. Like I think that is is a testament to what they were able to pull off. I can't even do that math. Let's just say thirty plus years ago. Thirty three, is that right? and how emotive it was at the time. Like it really pulled that out of you. So I guess kind of in that same vein, walk me through the moment. ⁓ saw the dinosaurs on screen and how that hit you. ⁓ I've seen the the that like clip of them like rising out of the Jeep like going through I love and so that's just like I think such a great way to like show it of like ⁓ my gosh you're so awestruck of like seeing what's in front of you. So I don't know, Spielberg is so good at that kind of stuff. So seeing that it was like you just feel that like you're there with them. And then also the I think the dinosaurs are pretty far away too so they seem even bigger than So they are. So I don't know, just yeah, you're definitely there with them of like, Whoa, this is so cool. ⁓ and then for the scary dinosaurs. Yes. I don't I just kept thinking 'cause obviously knowing it's not real, just being like, ⁓ my gosh, this is a lot of work that these people had to put in to make this happen. Just like thinking of I like I again, like with technology being more rudimentary back then of like how do they do this? Of like making it again, making it look so good. Yes. so yeah, d the dinosaurs were definitely scary, especially the T Rex. And it kind of brought me back 'cause when I was a kid I used to go to ⁓ like the children's museum and they had a dinosaur exhibit. Yeah. But there was a there was a T Rex one. Okay. And it was very scary. And it was kind of like that. It like animatronics, like that would be behind a bar, you know, or whatever. And I like vividly remember myself like being at the edge of the room, like walking against the wall. Like trying to get out of the room, just like against the wall 'cause it was so scary. So like imagining probably if I was a kid and I had seen that I would probably have the exact same thing 'cause I saw those things at the children's museum when I was a kid, but like hundred percent. Yeah. So Yep. Yeah, definitely. They pulled it off where you see it, you're processing it, but then you also feel it. ⁓ and I remember being in the movie theater, and I don't remember as much viscerally again like seeing the Granosaurus for the first time or even the triceratops, that's sick. But I definitely remember when you see the T-Rex through the trees in the rain. Like the eye and stuff. Yeah. And then he makes that terrifying sound, and then that scene where he steps In the mud, and it gives you that what's the word I want for how big he is compared to the car? The comparison, the size comparison. Exactly. And so all that building of like this is affordable creature that we've never experienced before that will literally not only rip this car apart, but just smash these people to bits or eat them. Which death is worse. I don't know. But just how again visceral it felt, real it felt, and to know to your point, like they had to build that dinosaur in pieces so that every Time it's coming into the frame, you're feeling the weight and the magnitude of it without having to use computers. And it was just so amazing to see what they were able to do and to be like, I'm sure I was so small my feet wouldn't like touch the ground in the theater, but be like in the seat and be like, What am I seeing? Like, this is so mind-blowing. Yeah, and I do think that part still lands after all these years. I think so too. I wasn't as scared, sure, but as maybe I probably would have been if I had seen it as a kid. But it was definitely like it gets your heart racing a little because you because like you said, you'd take A quite a bit to get there. Yeah. And then it happens, and you're like, ⁓ my gosh, it's not stopping. Like it's still going on. Like he's still spinning those poor kids around in the Jeep. I literally think that was one of the things I wrote. I was like, how are these kids not dead? Like genuinely, like in real life. Yeah. I don't know that they would have survived. No, I don't think so. Literally, too. But even the scene where he comes through the Jeep and they have to hold the glass up together. Like those are such pivotal emotional, like crisis moments where the heightens is. And all the action is coming together that even just re-seeing it, I'm like, first of all, the kids are amazing as actors. Like the terror is so real. And even when it cuts to Malcolm and Grant and the other Jeep watching, it's just like excellent. Like all the angles are excellent. Like, again, again, I was like, why is no one doing that too? That was that was just the whole time. I was like, Why are none of the adults doing anything? I feel like they're taking a really long time to act. Honestly, great, great criticism. Because I was thinking today, ⁓ it sure took Grant a minute to turn around and own jeep to find the box that had the flares in it. I'm like, I feel like they just waited, so we got that scene with the kids and the T Rex coming through the glass. He had to take a minute to turn around and actually find the flare that was gonna draw the T Rex's attention away. Yeah, you totally totally nailed it. was there any specific scene that maybe made you pause either because it was thrilling or scary or just any moment we were like, whoa, like I'm really wrapped up in this I think the one scene that actually got me like kind of a jump scare is Laura Durr and she like she had to run through the forest, go to the the building to turn the electricity back on. So I wasn't scared about them getting electrocuted on the thing, though I will say I did have a laugh when the kid fall got electrical. The way he flew off really got me. just because I wasn't expecting him to like fly. I know, I know. I wasn't expecting him to fly. Back like that, so it's like that got me. But no, it was like after she turned it on, and then all of a sudden the raptor was in the thing. So and that one got me because I was How did he get in there? Like she's down in this cage, like downstairs. How did she get how did he get there? So that one was the one that scared me for sure. ⁓ that was like the one big jump scare of like, ⁓ shit, how is she gonna make out like make out of this? And again, I think at those moments, those close-up moments, it's an animatronic or a puppet or something, it's not computerized. So when its face just shows up, it's the smaller version of the T. Rex, right? Like it's so realistic, so perfectly centered and just like pops into frame that it's terrifying. Yeah. And I think that's when she turns backwards and ⁓ Sam Jackson's arm falls on her. Yes. And then she turns around and it's not attached to his body. I remember that scene because that was pretty gory for back then too, of like the body part with all the blood on it. Yeah. And her having the back to back experience of the raptor and thinking Sam Jackson's there that no. He was. He's gone. Yeah, he did not survive. Yeah. And then just her like, I don't know, her like communication device is like, ⁓ wrapped around her leg and she's like running. And I'm like, ⁓ my god, girl, get out of there. Like, how did that thing get in there? I was so yeah. But it feels again like at that point in it, we've really ratcheted up the peril. I mean, it is chaos across the park in every direction. ⁓ and I do love that scene because it feels very real where she's just like desperately trying to get to some other version of safety because that was not a safe space to be in at all fantastic. let's see. So where do I wanna go next? ⁓ maybe let's talk about Hammond a little bit. We can get into the money and kind Backstory of how we even got here. So one of his famous lines is we've spared no expense. Except the one place he actually cut costs was the thing that brought it all down, the safety and the security. Right. And so I'm wondering what you think about maybe who sh people who might spare no expenses in the wrong ways while neglecting the things that actually matter and hold things together. Yeah, that was I think I wrote that one down specifically because I think I was like, hmm Interesting. I also wrote I hate how money rules everything. Yes. Yes. Let's come back to that too. Yeah, I just like It was yeah, it this the obscenely wealthiness part of it especially when they're sitting they're having like this extravagant dinner when they first get there and like this dark like Bond villain type room. Such a good point. And then they're like, Yeah, we want the park to be accessible. We'll have coupon days. ⁓ ha ha ha ha like type at that that whole I was like, Whoa. I was was like I wasn't even yeah, I wasn't even thinking that this would be open to the masses. And so for them to then be like, you know, kinda joking about that, I was like, okay, we we see what's going on here. We see what's going on here. yeah, so definitely the extreme wealth and yeah, just cutting back on like, yeah, we'll spend all this money on all of the gifts in the gift store and stuff and it's like why don't the why don't the cars automatically Like he says like number item 156 of things we need to address on a test run today. Yeah, I'm like, yeah, so I think I that was it was just baffling of like is this really ready to go? Like I didn't really not. Yeah, because I it just felt like it was being presented as such, and I was like, I I was like, is this because it just feels like there's three people that work here and such a good point that I don't know that I ever thought about until you just said that it's that one little control room. I'm like, who else is doing it? everything. I'm like you can't run any kind of park. That's such a good place like even even like the playground, like down the street or something. Like you need more than four people to take care of it. So such a baffling important perspective that you're sharing is who else was working there besides there's a lot of people in the lab. True, yeah. Where are they when all this is happening? Like I don't know. Yeah, exactly. So there's just like so many like it's behind the scenes. Yeah, and that I think that too of like the behind the scenes people of them being in like DR getting the amber, but then this is in Costa Rica. I was like, ⁓ this is like a worldwide Because that I literally was like, I think I wrote down, I was like, how close is DR to go so I was like, I don't think it's that close. And I looked at it on the map, I was like, it's a fair, I was like, it's a fair It's in a general area of the world. Yeah, but it's not like right next to each other. Sure. I was like, ⁓ my gosh, they're kind of they're traversing trying to make this happen for what they want. Exactly. I was like, wow, that's crazy. A hundred percent. Well, and something I'm almost a little embarrassed to admit landed differently this time because again, I've seen this so many times, but I maybe it's just because of the state of the world. We're into, but the entire inciting incident is that an employee was viciously eaten to death by the park's ⁓ attraction. Right. Right? So, like, we can talk about I think how amazing that scene is for setting the tone of the movie. And for some reason, this time it really hit me different that the entire reason they're going to this island is to prove that they're basically not responsible for this man's death. Because the attorney has this line about how like we're being sued by the family. Rightfully so, of this man who was eaten alive while doing his job and in order to get out of the lawsuit and still be able to open up the park, we need to have these people come and give us the stamp of approval. Put those two together. Like I understood the idea that it was, you know, risky. We have all these, you know, animals that we created that are extinct. For some reason, I think I always thought through the lens of like this is just kind of our last stage to open, but not to avoid responsibility for a man's death under our lack of safety precautions. Right. And I think with the like money aspect, obviously Hammond's some sort of billionaire. The you know spared no expense does not equal safety. I think that really landed different this time because it was also to get out of something that they did. Right. And I wonder what you think about the fact that like all those pieces come together and this poor man dies in the beginning and instead of taking responsibility and fixing it, it's just like, ⁓ we need more people to come and tell us we're already good to go. Yeah, and that's kind of interesting too, because I feel like We don't hear about him ever again after the after the lawyer says that one thing. Like it's just more like approve the park that it's it feels more like it's under the scientific thing of like is this scientifically moral type thing? Not is this a hazardous workplace or something like that. Where it's like, no, it's more based on the science of like is this ethical in that way and not like maybe it's ethical for the people working there of like any of that. Yeah, Sam Jackson dies, the other Australian or whatever guy dies. Yeah character. Exactly. So it's like, yeah, that I think we're not really thinking about the people also who are having to work and do that. Cause that's the first thing that we when we were watching it and they're loading in that velociraptor. We're like one, it's like nighttime and like raining kind of when you talk about mood, you know, it's scary. But again, we're like how is it how did that even h again, how did that even happen of like that should have never been It should never occur. Yeah, exactly. And for some reason that landed so differently when I was re watching it of just like, Yeah, like we fucked up. Like we run this place. We endangered our employee. He died. And now we're more worried about the suit and the delay as opposed to actually taking accountability and making it right. We are skirting what happened to get what we want. And that that just landed so heavily of like that feels a little too familiar to what we're dealing with on a day to day basis. Instead of actually owning up and fixing our shit, we're just gonna say, hey look over here and go that direction and completely pushed aside and forgot and yeah forgot about yeah what the whole reason this movie exists is because Yeah. So I don't Inciting event to like set off the story but then never really revisit it other than the hubris is the one thread that goes from start to finish. And also not to mention all of those people who are working there and in the mines also all people of color too. ⁓ my god, yes. Like I that's the first thing that I but I noticed too and I like, ⁓ and then everyone else in the movie is white. It's like ⁓ the exploitation is real different. Especially now and totally, totally. I was like, ⁓ so they were actually like I guess maybe making a commentary on that a little bit. I don't know. Honestly, you know I obviously stand Spielberg, so maybe I'm giving him a lot of credit. But I I'd like to think that yes, that was intentional around the greed and around that For what they want at whatever cost. That's really the cost we need to be talking about is the spared no expenses, like human life. Yeah. For just trying to get what they desire out of all of it. Yeah. I did think that too because the handler, or whatever we call him, ⁓ was a black man that dies in that opening. Yeah. And I was like, ⁓ my god, low hanging fruit just really shows you so much from how the nine not just the nineties, how so many movies you get you kill off that first actor of color. Right. Right out the gate. as well. ⁓ god, I know. So kind of in that vein, but on the other side of it, the dinosaurs aren't really the villains. Mm-hmm. Right? They're just animals doing what they do. Right. And so I wonder what you think about the movie on the surface is v is villainizing them 'cause they're the threat, right? They're the monsters. ⁓ but how do we make sense of the thing doing what it's designed to do versus the people who seem to be the victims? Right. Yeah, I don't think I ever while watching this ever thought that the dinosaurs were the villains. Yeah. I think it was again safety precautions like I just I could not get over how n nothing made sense in terms of that. so yeah that and then also like I maybe it must have been something like underlying and maybe you know more Since you've seen it multiple times and stuff, but like the dinosaurs are like sick and I was like, Is I feel like animal welfare is not really great in this park either because they mentioned multiple times of these dinosaurs being sick or having like a cough or something like that too. So I was like, ⁓ so they're really treating these animals that they've created that they need to take care of as, you know, moneymakers and not actually taking care of them planting the poisonous plants or whatever that they're not supposed to have. So that ⁓ it was just like wow this is really greedy people just trying to like put things in a park. It should it'll work because they're not technically real. I don't know because they're clones, you know, they can't reproduce all that kind of stuff. It just felt like, ⁓ nothing can go wrong because this is our creation and we made it. I think that's really the key, at least my understanding, is it's more a commentary on that false sense of control. So I think Ellie has that line when they're eating around like you have plants in this building that are poisonous, you pick them 'cause they look pretty. So the same idea of like you bred these dinosaurs or created these dinosaurs because you thought it would be cool, but you have no idea how this animal is gonna react right in an environment that it doesn't understand. Like we literally went from zero to a thousand and the same with having plants in the area where the dinosaurs roam, that's toxic. You probably just put them there 'cause they're pretty, or you didn't think to remove them if they grow there. I'm not a botanist. I don't know if that West Indian lilac grows there. ⁓ it definitely it it can't be in the area that the dinosaur is gonna be in because it's toxic. So I think your point is just that they were so focused on this godlike personality or whatever control that they thought they had that they didn't think of any of the consequences and they didn't account for any of the consequences other than some fences. Right. And it kinda feels like that totally too when they're on the the tour and they're not seeing any of the dinosaurs and they're like, ⁓ no, like zero for three kind of thing. Where it's like dance monkey, you know, like come out like do like perform for us and where it's like you can't obviously we don't know I guess too much about how a dinosaur would really react, but it's like yep, at a zoo you can't make like the the polar bears like Come out. Yeah, exactly. If they don't want to. So they kinda felt like that of like, man, like nothing's happening. Like they need to come out. Like let's try to get it out with the goat. Like like perform, perform. Those kinds of things. So it was like you can't you can't force them to do that 'cause they are you've made this living thing. So yeah, that that frustration too, I think. I can definitely feel that in them like Like our are things not working? Like how are we gonna make money if no one is gonna delay us like further? And I think even Malcolm has a line about how like you didn't really have to study them. You took somebody else's research and you just implemented but you didn't work for it. Yes. So you can't really understand the responsibility of it. And I think you're exactly right. Like just 'cause you made this thing in a lab and threw it in the the wilderness, it's not gonna just do what you want it to do. Like we have no way of knowing to your exact point, how a velociraptor interacts in its day to day life. There's no way to study that. Right. And then try to put it in a habitat. And there's lots of feelings about that anyway. But try to put it in a habitat that closely mirrors some sort of freedom with all the things that they need. There's no way to do that. Because they didn't exist in the time that we existed in until we forced these two species together at the same time. So it is fascinating, I think, just to see how like I think their lack of safety really came from that Sense of control that was completely asinine. Totally. Yeah, like again, yeah, nothing bad can happen because we're in such a controlled environment. Right. Yeah. And we've controlled every variable up until now. So we couldn't possibly have missed anything. ⁓ it's so interesting to me. ⁓ okay, let's talk about some of your notes. What stood out to you? Let's see. Yeah, I was I was like I was like, who would this park before if you have to get to the park like this when they were flying in on the helicopter? I was like I was like, How is how is this how can anyone get to this park any general? Can you imagine the line of helicopters to like land? Yes, yeah. I like this doesn't make any sense. ⁓ I I wrote that I had rewatched The Land of Time, ⁓ The Land Before Time recently and I was like these baby dinosaurs are so cute. But I was like, But they're not like the cute dinosaurs of land before time. Very different aesthetic from the cartoon. Yeah, and then again and talking about animal welfare and like control and not knowing I like, why are they allowed to hold the babies like immediately after they hatch? I like I was like, yeah I feel like that me that messes up something too, you know. Fair getting in germs. You don't let anyone hold a newborn baby outside. Such a good point. So I was thinking about that. I said I was obsessed with Jessica Goldblum being a doctor and looking like that. The rock star like him. When yeah, I think I couldn't I laughed so hard when it just was him on the table with his chest. That was like because I've seen that picture before, but I didn't know the con you know the context of it. But the fact that it was just a straight cut to him looking like that. I was like, okay, great. Great, great, great. Let's see. ⁓ yeah, I was like, why are we getting out of the car? We're in the T Rexes. Why are the adults not doing anything? Why aren't the park people trying to get the people out? I was like, I know that they don't know the extent. Yeah, but then they were talking about how there was a tropical storm, and so I was like, Why I was like, Why'd they send them out when they know that there's a Storm, even if they don't know that the all the power is gonna you know, all of this stuff I was like is going on. Right, they could have ended the tour at any time and brought them back but they kept waiting. And then when they got out to go check on the triceratops and then they talked about not having the locks on the door and they're trying to like usher them back, they get divided because Ellie stays with the one ranger to like tend to the giant pile of shit in it and the rest go back and get back in the jeeps. And so it's just like, yeah, and maybe that's storytelling. I Read the book, right? The famous book that it's based on. It is effective and also it's completely insane that that's how they would be making decisions. Yeah. let's see. ⁓ when when Timmy's in the tree and then he was like, I threw up. It reminded me of this meme where it's like me waking up to my parents telling them I threw up, like standing in the hallway in the dark because it was just so sad. It was just like I threw up. And he's such a little kid. He's so little. Like they're both so young to be on this trip. But he's really young. I know. I just I get I just couldn't get it out of my head that that was their grandfather and he was not like doing more to get them out. Okay. I felt like he was not doing anything and not being proactive at all, trying to get his grandchildren out. Yeah, and I think it's like we're watching his veil of denial crumble right faster than we're watching him spring into action. Yeah. He's very ⁓ almost immobilized by the disbelief that this is what's happening. And I think he wants to believe that it'll work so it's like ⁓ they not they're not in that much danger because of course like it this is designed this way so they can't they can't be hurt. They'll just hang out in the jeep in the rain but you know it sucks that they're not like actually in danger of being eaten. Yeah and I just think that there's like this weird disconnect that we're watching him go through where he cannot accept how bad this is. Yeah. So that actually ties into one of my questions I had was that he basically refuses to accept that this dream he's had is turning into a catastrophe even as people start dying. And so what do you think about someone who almost holds on to their passion to the point of denial and they cannot see when they've crossed the line? Mm. God, that's so hard. It's it's like you want to be just like wake up girl. Like people are people are dying. Like things are happening. I don't know. It just felt yeah, I don't know. It ch he was just moving way too slow for me because it was like maybe maybe he could have salvaged the park. Like maybe if he had worked a little faster on actually just like getting people to safety and then like securing the perimeter, you know, whatever. Shut everything down. Yeah, I don't know. It just but yeah, it did feel like he was dragging his feet of like wanting to prove that This thing works and yeah, I've been work I've well maybe not I've been working, but I've spent all this money on making this thing happen. ⁓ yeah, so I just yeah, I just couldn't I couldn't understand him of what he was doing and when he was like trying to read the the blueprints and then was just like, man, like let me know what to do. It's like, man, you don't know anything. Like I don't think you know anything about this park except that you spent money and to make it. Like I don't know if he really knows. Now like, I should go back and watch some of the more like scientific things where he's talking about like, does he actually know what he's talking about? It feels like maybe he doesn't even it's just kind of like regurgitating what the scientists or whatever that he hired. Yeah, that's a really good point because now it makes me wonder do we think that he's more ignorant and we have maybe a little sympathy for that? And not empathy, like do we have any sympathy that maybe he's ignorant? Or what I'm actually thinking of is kind of bringing a lot of what we just talked about is when he goes to get Grant and Ellie, he already misleads them. Yeah. So that makes me think it's actually a little bit more manipulative, and that the manipulative part of him might be what keeps him from actually taking any account of it. I think it might be. I definitely see that because I get now I can't remember exactly, but it feels like there were some things when they were trying to to get stuff back online and he was really dragging his feet on like the steps that you had to do to get all that stuff. So it feels like yeah, maybe he's like really trying to obscurate like what's going on. I don't know, yeah. He just he's a very interesting guy. Yeah, I didn't trust him from the moment he got down for sure. Fair And I just kind of never knew what yeah, what his intentions were of like it's I think it's just I guess it's just to make money. You know, it never it never seemed like he was really in the love of it for the science, for the dinosaurs, for yeah, any of that. It just was like, Yeah, this isn't theme park that will make and they say that. They're like, This is gonna make us a lot of money. Well I think that's where it gets and I'm it's really interesting. I that's why I love having these conversations because I think up until again this recent rewatch, I was really swept up in him being this like older sweet grandpa. And then when they're sitting down after everything has really fallen apart but they're not really safe yet and Ellie's eating the ice cream and he tells the story about how he wanted to make something real that people could see and touch and experience because he had to do his little like flea circus as a kid and where are the fleas, show me the fleas like he He wanted to build an experience. That's how I always remember feeling about him. Is that like tenderness of like this old man had this lifelong dream to create something so awe inspiring that it was going to change how people saw the world until this time, my first thought was when he gets off the helicopter, well, I guess they don't see him get off, but when they come into their trailer, Ellie and Grant, and he's in there and he's, you know, opening the champagne, and I was just thinking, dude, some d guy just got killed at your park and you're In their little trailer, and you're luring them in with the funding. I'm gonna fund your site for three more years if you come with me to this park and give me the green light that we're safe to go because the attorneys want an outside opinion about how the park is operating. I'm like, bitch, you just had an employee get eaten. Yeah, you're giving them the smallest part of that story, yeah. To lure that I like felt totally different towards them this time, and I think it's really reflective of just our world. Yeah, but like, I don't feel Bad for you. Yeah, I felt and I was annoyed at him too, because I was like, dang, they just like spent all this time uncovering it at their site and he just ruined it. But I didn't feel I didn't feel the same way at about the flea thing at all. And that felt when I was listening to that, I was like, ⁓ he's always been a con man. It felt kind of like like Wizard of Oz, the wizard, you know, like of the smoke and mirrors. Yeah. I'm selling something that's not really there, type thing. That's like that's how I felt of like That was like so you've always been doing something kind of shady of the And I think you're actually like if there's a right answer, I think you're right. Like I do really think you've nailed it and maybe part of that was seeing it as a kid and being swept up in the magic and then you're almost like sad. Yeah, it's grandpa. You just want something cute and fun for his grandkids to experience. And it's so interesting because that's my baseline that I think for decades now that has felt true and then you know, everything's on fire and I don't have For the old white billionaire whose plan fell through. And is killing people. Literally cost people their lives. And he's in the ⁓ poor me ho hum phase. And I'm like, too bad, too sad. Yeah. It just was fascinating in having this conversation now. Like, I actually really appreciate that your intuition was more like, I don't know if this is the person we want to be putting our faith in. Yeah. When clearly it's about him. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I again I I don't know that there's a right answer. feels much more accurate to me at this point. So I really respect that. so kind of in that same like the money and capitalism vein, I call him so his character's name is Nedry Dennis. So I call him Newman. Yeah that's why Alex my partner was like ⁓ I've been watching sci-fi I kept calling him Newman even though that's not his name in the movie. Yeah. But basically he betrays everything for just some money. Yes. I mean probably a good chunk of money in the nineties, ⁓ not a ton of money, especially compared to the park. And so I'm just wondering like when you have either seen someone, this could be like fictional or realistically, who just blows something up for a reward that seems pretty small compared to the cost. Yeah. I think I feel like that happens a lot in real life and and fictionally. It's like it's like the quick the quick thing of like ⁓ I can just do this and then I have enough for me right now kind of thing. Yeah. ⁓ yeah and I he was very lause about yeah just you just steal one of each of the embryos and it's fine. Like it's super easy. and I think it's also interest like maybe they say it maybe I didn't catch it but in my mind it felt like that we don't know what he's like it's for someone else. I I thought it was like, ⁓ maybe it's like a competitor or something, but I I maybe I missed it, but I thought I didn't hear like what he's actually selling, like who he's selling it to, the entity. So I was like, ⁓ so it really doesn't even matter, like where these dinosaurs are going. I do think the implication is it's a competitor that wants to again bypass however many years of science they did, right? Steal their product and create their own part. Okay. That's how I've always interpreted it. Okay. That's that's the vibe I was. getting but I was like but we don't know much about it we're just like ⁓ like here you go and I know yeah I yeah when he was running away I was like man like I get it you're like trying to like steal but I was like can we close some gates while we're at it like yeah do something well and I think your point of like just for me is the key right so like even if he you know messes up the computer shuts off some gates the fact that it never dawned on him that he would be putting everybody in jeopardy not just screwing Hammond for the research, the technology, the product. There are living vicious creatures in here and you don't care about turning off the gate systems and shutting down the phone. Yeah. That is really insane for what was it? Like a million dollars? I can't remember. Yeah, I don't even know. Yeah. That's also wild. Yeah. Like it didn't even dawn on you the ramifications of this. Yeah. Like stealing was bad enough. Right. But putting everyone's life, including your own, right jeopardy. Like surely we could have done this a different way. I don't know. You would think or Some sort of plan of like, okay, maybe I shut off the phones and the cameras and the one gate, but not all these security things. Yeah, exactly. Because there is kind of that sweet vengeance that his own decision gets him killed. Right. I mean, I'm not sad that he gets eaten. Right, right. That was a fun scene. I do love that. And kind of going back to the puppetry, I think that dinosaur is terrifying. I liked it. ⁓ He had a lot of personality and a lot of spots. His little like floor thing that comes up and he Spitz acid. Yeah. But I do remember thinking like he looks like a dog when we're kind of comparing. but then the teeth and like the sound also kind of I think sets off your nervous system of like, ⁓ he's making this like rattling, it's almost like a rattlesnake, right? Like to me, it's a warning bell. Like, this is not the dinosaur you want to stay back around. Yeah, and again, him getting in the car too. I was like, how are they keep getting into all these places that they need to not be? Yeah. Well, I know at least the raptors can open doors. That was supposed to make it even scarier. Yes, that was that was scary. the little claws going out. And they're figuring it out. And they're like, we need to block the door because it can actually it's smart enough to figure that out. Learning. Yeah. I love it. Okay, so if we go back to G Jeff Goldblum, the rock star scientist, ⁓ so basically he shows up and he's already knowing and convinced that everything will fail, and he's very outward about his concerns and says so loudly, and yet nobody listens. So have you or do you know anyone who's ever been the person in the room who saw that that a disaster was coming and was pretty silenced in the process? Probably. I would say yeah. I mean, I feel like I'm very ⁓ I'm very perceptive of like things that are going on and you're like ding ding ding, I don't think that's gonna work. Yeah. but yeah, I think it was also interesting that it kind of felt like maybe they weren't taking him seriously too because of him being like that cool cool rock star. Like for the I honestly even thought for like maybe the first ten minutes that we knew him that they were joking that he was a doctor because I was like, surely he can't be the doctor 'cause he's he's walking talking talking like that, so maybe I misjudged him a little too. But that's kinda how it fellows like, ⁓ how does he really know all this stuff or how can he be the the authority? Because Yeah, how he he's outside yeah, he's like outside of the realm of what a ⁓ Scientologist or scientist or whatever it is. Yeah, that's a good point. It's almost like a chicken in the egg. Yeah. Did they design him that way to make him less believable, or was he just less believable because that's how he carries? Yeah, it's like I think he just may they just wanted him to have his shirt off. I mean laying the table. ⁓ and I do think they wanted him to be like a pretty stark contrast from Ellie and Grant. ⁓ and I love that his science is chaos. Yeah. And I do remember, like, again, I was a kid, I had no idea what these. Different fields of science were to begin with. But in your sense, like reading about chaos theory and like learning about it, it is neat that he's the voice that comes in and is kind of chopping them down every chance he can of like you think you know what you're talking about, and you have no idea. He's like, I don't even know. I'm just the voice saying you don't know. Yeah. And we have no way of knowing how a group of all female, you know, animals can breed. I'm just saying you can't guarantee they can't. Right. And I love that. Yeah. Yeah, I I really like that too. There was a lot Of like little little pro feminism things. What what was the last thing at the end that Laura Dern said? ⁓ It was something about Q ⁓ it was 'cause she was the one who was gonna go over to turn off the l ⁓ turn back on the gates or whatever. And then the Hammond or whatever that Like, no, I can't let you do that. And he was she was like, Really? Like I I was like, Yeah, come on, girl, come on, girl. This is not the 1960s. I and we're again we're all in peril. So this isn't a time for that's what she says. This isn't a time for like us to debate feminism or sexism or something like that. Yeah, or like chivalry or something. Like, I'm gonna go because I can go and we all Too and I really like And she has the other great line earlier where they talk about man creates dinosaurs, dinosaur destroys man, woman inherits the earth. Yeah. I'm like, I mean, honestly again. Again, one I've never heard and when she said that I was No, I never heard that one either. And so I was like, Ooh, again, what a great line. This is so great. You're getting all the best quotes and like hitting for the first time. Yes, and I it did hit for the I I I gave a chuckle and I gave a little clap. Snap, snap. Yes. What about ⁓ I know. You were so preoccupied with whether or not you could, you didn't stop to think if you should. That's one of the biggest lines. I feel like I'm hearing it again for the first time because it's like you forget I don't know yeah, because it's so new, but such great, yeah, such great like framing of the world that they're in and the science with also just like man's conquest type thing. Like I don't know, it was it's it was really good. I really enjoyed it. Yeah, and I think it lands and a lot of that stuff again is still so applicable. Right. not that this movie has anything to do with AI and in our Matrix episode that's all we talked about. It I also had that experience in this rewatch of like he's talking about, you know, cloning and more like these tangible ⁓ examples of again hubris and like a false sense of control, but I just kept thinking about AI. Mm and everything he was saying in his character role I kept applying to the arguments we're having currently about AI. Interesting. So this piece of like you took somebody else's research and then you ran with it and you stamped it and you put a label on it so you could sell it. But you never really thought about the ramifications of it or how much power it actually has. You think you have the power, but you're creating this thing that's growing faster than you can imagine or understand. And yet you think you still have all the guardrails in place. And so every time he was talking, I was like, ⁓ my God, this is everything I feel about technology and our environment. relationship with tech with tech, which was something else that also stood out to me this time, was that I think it's a real conversation around capitalism, but I also think it's a conversation on technology. Because what's interesting is that ⁓ Lex, the little girl, is like the computer whiz, right? And ⁓ Grant is very tech aversive. Yeah. I yeah. And I thought that was so interesting this time of like when they're at the dig site in the very beginning and you know they're introducing this new tech where you put that thing underground, you set it off and then it creates It's a digital image, and Grant kind of rolls his eyes and he's ⁓ I hate computers. And basically, they're trying to convince him like this is the future of our field. And I just kept having this moment of like you could really use this as an argument for how fast tech is advancing and us needing to maybe have a more cautionary relationship with it, just like we're having this cautionary conversation around like money and ⁓ power. Control. Totally. And I don't know, it just really landed this time of like, even when ⁓ Sam Jackson can't figure out what Newman has done. And he's like, God, I hate this hacker shit. Yeah. Because it all comes down to this one man's computer. Yeah, I was just gonna say the same thing of like the whole reason it goes on for so long is because no one can turn it off. You know? Correct. And then finally she's like, ⁓ I know this, and which I did love that she and her relationship to tech also saved the day. Yeah. But there were so many lines this time that I was really thinking. Thinking, like this seems to be a commentary, too, of just like how quickly things change, and when we think we understand, we miss opportunities to maybe ask us how much we actually understand. Yeah, totally. Yeah, yeah, and I think in with the science part, not the tech part. Like, I think those conversations, all of those lies that they're having around that could probably be applied to the tech conversations as well. Too at least recently, yeah, it's like really landed that way of like, wow, I I think we think we're not building something that could just show. destroy us because we control it. And I keep wondering like when you hear how these things are evolving so fast and how computers, social media, AI, whatever does affect us, it's like, do we really still have the reins? Or it's just less obvious than a dinosaur eating a man off a toilet. It's like maybe we'll see this in thirty years or whatever. And it'll be a drastic part of but for AI. I don't know. It just really stood out to be this time. And at the same time, so the children are the ones who ultimately save the day, you know. and they're not experts and they're not adults and they don't really have any authority. So I'm wondering when was the last time maybe you saw something unexpected that actually was the way out or someone that you didn't expect showed the way out of a situation? And again it could be fictional or real life. ⁓ my gosh. Like, I've been watching a lot of reality TV lately. I'm like, what's happening there? I'm watching Jersey Shore for the first time. So I'm like, what's what's unexpected in there? I have not actually watched Jersey Shore for Yeah, it's I mean there's not too much going on there. I don't know. I think it's like I like what you said about like the the kids and I think that they really they kinda have to forge their own path. Well again, ⁓ th I was just like where are the adults like helping them, especially when that lawyer like gets out of the car the first time and he doesn't close the door. He just abandons. I know. I was like, guys, there's children in here, like shouldn't that be the first people to to save and like try to protect them? He's so selfish. I know. So I think seeing that of like them being so smart and and really like thinking it through and like how to protect each other and like very sweet. So yeah, I can't but I can't think of any I can't think of anything for that, but sure it's happened for sure. I know. And I don't have a good answer either. I just was trying to think about like how I don't know how intentional that was in the writing, but I like that I at least to me it subverts your expectations. Of who's gonna be the one to save the day. Exactly, right? Because they are little both physically and as kids and then they're vulnerable. Right. And even though there's not a lot of adults, there's only the two of them. And so to me it's just such a neat surprise that they end up coming full circle and save everybody. Yeah. Even though nobody's really I mean I think there's a whole dynamic here of Grant evolving and connecting with them. Yeah. ⁓ essentially though to your point, they're pretty abandoned. They're just like okay, I gotta save myself, figure it out. ⁓ and yet they end Up saving everybody. I just think it lands really sweetly. I agree. I agree. But yeah. So Dr. Grant spends ⁓ the whole film being forced to protect and connect with these kids that he never wanted around and discovers something in himself he didn't know was there. ⁓ when has there ever been maybe an unwanted situation that brought something out in you that you weren't expecting? I don't know, it kinda feels like force proxy of like like I feel like that happens too. Sure. You know, I don't don't like this T V show or something but my partner's watching it all the time, so I'm sitting there and then, you know, like kinda gets I get he d he does that with with my real like with Love Island or something like that. He's like he's like, Man, I can't believe whatever did that Yeah, and he's I'm like, Do you like his he's No, I don't I'm like sure know a lot about what's going on. Yeah. You seem a little bit invested. Yeah. I think you know so yeah, maybe I think it was that of like the ⁓ I ha like forced proximity of these yeah these kids that are banded that don't have anyone to care for them and if I don't do it then to so that was that was sweet. It was like a little annoying too of just the like ⁓ my god just get over it like it's and just being like I hate kids I don't like that and I was like okay it's not that big of a deal you're you're you'll be okay. I guess they had to give him some character art to grow for totally totally otherwise it's just a survival movie. Right. Right. And we got to see I think some of their character where because he was posted as kind of this like anti kid grumpy solitary guy with just him and Ellie and then he over and over again risks his life to help these kids. I think it's supposed to help us feel some of that connection to how he's out in change. I definitely felt that. I just I was like we we get it. You don't like kids. You're which which made me kinda surprised that he was even like they were even in a r in a relationship because I was like that kind of feels like the type of guy that's just like a solo Blooding man type of thing. So Yeah, and they don't really ever explain it because the movies go in so many different directions and they came back for that last iteration of the one that had Bryce Dallas Howard in it 'cause there was three. ⁓ and they're friends, they're just not together. Okay. And I think even in the third Jurassic Park, he visits her and she's married. ⁓ and they're still friends. And so it does seem to be like his theme is he's very research and work focused. And maybe that's That's what attracted them to each other is like their love for the sciences. Right. ⁓ you're right, like it their relationship is referenced over the years in all the different movie versions, but never really the points anymore. Yeah. So I don't know if that was true to the books or if it was more just like a way that they wrote it to give him again some growth arc. And makes Ellie really a badass too, because she's very independent and does her own thing. Totally. Yeah. So we kind of talked about this already. Too and I did have a question around like in watching this, did anything come up for you and how we think about the relationship between human ambition and the consequences of those ambitions? Yeah, totally. I mean, the human life aspect, the at any cost, conquest, yes, taking over, going far away to grab the amber eggs, like you know, all of these things. It was yeah, just kind of no expenses spared. type thing of like I'll do whatever to get what I want. yeah and it felt like there was a lot of bad things that happened because of it. So I don't know. It just it really it really felt like yeah we're not thinking through what could happen we're not thinking through all of A, B, D, and C of what could happen, which I feel like we really need to do that if we're dealing with these killer animals. type things, you know. Yeah. yeah. So I I was again I was just so shocked at no one works here and everything is going wrong and there's nothing that they can do about it, it seems like. So I just yeah I I had no idea how they would get out of this situation because it just felt like and like dead end, you know, good thing. And it is a lot of things that they're stacked up against because they didn't plan or prepare or have any sort of mechanisms in place for all the things that ended up happening. So it's a lot for the Yeah, so I think the cost of just like Ever like just really everything of Yeah. And this I don't yeah, ev it was just everything. Like and it just felt very greedy and for sure. Yes. Yeah, and kind of also like no point into why we need to be doing this in the first place, which I think sometimes feels a lot like when rich people do stuff, it's like do we need this? Like Or is it just your fantasy 'cause you're bored. Exactly. Right. Yeah. And again at whatever cost. Yeah, and you want to fill your time or make a name or whatever. That's exactly what I felt like with this of like I don't know if we need to be doing this. I mean so fair. Other than for the movie, which has been which was fun. ⁓ okay. ⁓ more notes from you and then I just have a few more. Okay, let's see. I think I'd gotten c close to the end. Okay. of mine Yeah, I the I think the last step was just like the way that Timmy flew back. ⁓ then I wrote like how I was like, ⁓ my god, how did this motherfucker get in about the th the thing? But I think the nice thing was that Hammond or the the rich guy, he did come to the conclusion at the end that it was bad. Yes. which I I don't I wasn't sure if he was gonna make it there honestly. I kinda thought that maybe he would be like, Okay, but we'll try again later and who knows, maybe that's the sequel, don't know. ⁓ but for this movie was like, okay, he he came to the conclusion that like this was really bad, people died, like maybe we should just get off this island and leave it be. ⁓ Yeah, I mean I think it was like dragging him to that conclusion. Totally. You're right. I do think at least the way it shows on screen is it feels genuine at the end that he is an agreement of not enduring. Yes of like closing closing the helicopter door being like let's get out of here. This was a huge mistake. So I was like, okay, some redemption I guess in that fact of like Yeah. And the and that and also I just thought it was funny of the way it ended. It's like, all right, where do we go from here now? Like what is what are the ramifications of everything that just transpired here? Yes. You know, like Well there's like eight movies. So there we go. I'll f I'll figure it out when I figure it out. So I do want to come back to that 'cause I I think it's created a very interesting franchise and like universe that kind of asks the same questions in different ways. But before we kind of get to that as we're wrapping up, I'm just curious what you thought about sort of those last I guess you'd say the last act of the movie. ⁓ so Timmy and Lex when they have to run and hide from the Velociraptors is some of I think the best tension total screen. So if we set aside all the criticisms and politics of it, just the movie making aspect of that scene where the the raptors are pursuing them and they're in the kitchen. And again, I just think that the puppeteering and everything is so terrifying. It very well done. Yeah. And then the big wrap up where the T Rex is the one that saves the day. Yeah. And I just wonder what you think about how that all comes together in the end. It was yeah, it was just like go, go, go. I really loved the The kitchen scene because I knew it was com again, now I had seen one clip from that of when Timmy's like sitting against I'd seen like that clip, just a little bit of that. So when it hadn't happened and they were back safely at the visitor center, I was like, ⁓ god, I was like, ⁓ so they're not safe. I was like, ⁓ shoot. so then again when they got left alone and they're like eating all the beautiful food and they're like feel that they're safe, but then it's like, ⁓ no, all these kids have to go through this again. ⁓ ⁓ yeah, the puppetry was amazing and it there probably was like some CGI too 'cause it like jumps up on the table like at one point and like stuff fall I was just like I don't know, all the practical effects were just like so mind. 'Cause it just looks so real. Obviously practical, but ⁓ it I d I think that was like one of the first things I wrote was like, God I miss when movies looked like movies and felt like movies. So much you're speaking my language. Because I was just like, Wow, I can see everything, like there's dimension, there's depth, like it looks interesting, it's not all one whatever. So I it was like really cool to watch. yeah, and yeah, the T Rex, I don't think I that was also I guess kind of like a whoa I didn't think he would come through especially I thought it was also really interesting of them being like on the bones of of like dailing from the ceiling. Yeah them being on the bones and then like the real thing comes through to like do it. Yeah, I just I was like I w I'm not sure if he's gonna I was like will he just eat them all because they're there too ⁓ and maybe they're easier to grab because they're not they can't really fight. So yeah, but I I it was fun. It was it was a fun way to kind of wrap it all up. It's like the original the original villain today. Yeah, I really appreciate I think again, even that kind of subverts because they do a good job of building so much tension that I also remember thinking like they've survived so much. How are they possibly gonna get through this? Right, right? Because the raptors become, I think, so much scarier than the T Rex because they're so smart. Yes. And they work as the group. Yeah. ⁓ and they hunt as that pack, right? And so I just remember thinking even though I had been so terrified of the T Rex what an hour ish before when it comes through and fights off the raptors it's almost like That's the greatest moment every T Rex is the hero. Yeah. And I thought that was such a cool emotional roller coaster to go through. Because again, like when seeing it for the first time and you don't really know, it's just ⁓ it's so like emotionally all over the place to have that experience. Yeah. ⁓ the last part I was gonna ask you about too was when we were talking about those Easter eggs, so that famous part in the beginning where Grant scares that kid that's really annoying about how Velociraptors hunt. Yeah. And then we get to see that scene with the one park ranger, I guess we'll call him. Yeah. ⁓ what you thought about getting to see that play out in real time. Yeah, that was cool 'cause when the kid was there were so many like lines where you're like, This is exactly I guess what's gonna happen later. You're just like I can kind of feel it but it's so, you know, thinking that and yeah, that was that was funny to to maybe not funny but interesting to see play out of like, ⁓ my gosh, they are really working in tandem and same with like when they were in the kitchen too. Yes. Of all that and I think Happy calls it, ⁓ you clever girl or something like that. It's like yeah, they really yeah, they are really like evolving of opening the doors and getting into places they shouldn't be and like really thriving in this like environment that's not meant for them at all. Yeah, which brings Malcolm's point all together, right? Like they have found the way to become the apex predator, even though you're treating them like they're pets. Right. Like these little puppies that you get to hold when they're babies and then now it will rip entire body of totally. Yeah. But yeah, I loved it. So I guess kind of as we're winding down, is there anything that you think would have hit differently if you had seen it as a kid? I think I would have been a lot more scared for sure. Especially 'cause I was afraid of dinosaurs and like I I thought they were really interesting, but like the bigness I think of it would probably have scared me. But it honestly feels it like it felt very fresh and not stale or you know sometimes you watch older movies and it's like, ⁓ That didn't age too well. And I didn't feel like I don't think I had that thought really in for movie so I was like, yeah, this is I had a good time. I didn't know exactly where it was gonna go, but I was and but I was watching it and I enjoyed it. So yeah, I I I liked it. It was fun. I'm so glad you enjoyed it. Yeah. ⁓ I think number two is pretty good. Okay. ⁓ it takes place on a second island. So the way they get around the story is that they had a another island where they would like breed some of the dinosaurs, but they were never contained. And then someone ends up on that island trying to do research. And then it pulls in one old character from the first one. Interesting. And then the third one is Pretty Bonkers and Off the Rails where some people who are just like vacationing end up on the island on accidents and then the family's trying to go like find them and they have to bring along and again a a a original character to kind of help them navigate. So it kind of starts to fall apart over time. Got it. I think the reboots, so those are the ones with Bryce Alice Howard, the first one, Jurassic World, is actually very good. Maybe the story I saw I feel exactly the same. Yeah. So basically this idea that because it jumps to whenever that movie came out, twenty I don't remember, but like more recently. Yeah, that we have all this tech, we have all the safety. Right. We've learned from the mistakes of Jurassic Park way back in the day. Because it is in the same world, like it's very ⁓ aware of and talking about Jurassic Park in the reboot. Mm-hmm. We're gonna fix all the mistakes that they made, and of course, as one does, repeats them in different ways. Right. ⁓ but that one's actually pretty fun, but it does start to keep falling apart. Because how many times can you make the mistake without the audience? Just being like, okay. Now have I seen them all? Of course. Did I see them all the theater? Absolutely. And do they really crumble as the series goes on? A thousand times. Whatever. You gotta juice it for all it's There are more out there if you're interested. Okay, cool. So one week from now, this is what I ask everybody as we're ending. What image or moment from the movie do you think will live rent free in your head? It really is Timmy getting electric. Like, I'm sorry. It is, it was so jarring because. I didn't think he would fall back from that. So it's either that or Laura Dern downstairs with the Raptor just like one. Yeah, because that that one was the one that really scared me because I was not expecting it at all. Because at least with the T Rex, you're like, yeah, like sure obviously he's out somewhere, he's gonna do something. But I don't know, in my mind I was like, she probably closed the door or whatever. And so like sh they can't come down here. I know. Yeah, so that's how we find out they're so much scarier than we think they are. Yeah, so that's yeah, that one really that one was probably the like scariest one for sure. Great answer. I think for me it's definitely still when he's breaking through the Jeep and the kids. Yeah, that was scary. Because I really noticed in my body this time, I'm like, I'm worried about them even though I know this is fake. Like my anxiety is spiking for these poor kids and he just seems so menacing and huge, which is the point. Right. ⁓ but I just think that's one of those great classic moments from the movie where you're just like, How are they gonna survive it? Alright, awesome. So we ⁓ kinda talked about this off mic when we were picking this movie. But one thing I'm ending with is I am creating a list of homework items for me from guests so that we can flip the script down the road. Right so what's a movie that you love that maybe I haven't seen and then I feel like I told you some and there were some that you didn't You did. You told me ⁓ you know what? I think if the one that you would like since you like you said you like Hitchcock. Yes, I do is we should you should do rope. That's what it is. Yes. Okay. Rope by Hitchcock because it's it's like it's filmed like a play where they they it's all one take until their film runs out and so then it'll just like go behind someone and then it continues the scene of one continuous take until the film so I think it's really cool because again like murder mystery who done it kind of thing but you're really there because there's no cuts and so that's really fun so I I would do rope. Okay yeah perfect so that's the next on the list. So I haven't decided how many in this format we'll do Because it's so fun right now, and then I'm gonna basically go back and start watching all the movies from each of my lovely guests, and then we'll have to flip it and I'll come with my notes and get to ask me great questions. Okay because I love watching things that I've also known. Yeah, it just keeps going. Yeah, no, I love that. Awesome. Well, thank you for hanging out with us again. Hopefully, you enjoyed. 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