Kat Thorne: Welcome back to another episode of the Positive Habits podcast. It's Friday. These are just one of the most loveliest things I get to do. Welcome, Hannah. Thank you for coming on. Thank you for having me. So there's a funny story. I'm sure there's going to be lots of cool things that we're going to do together in the future. We'll always remember how we met. And it was the most random expo in Milton Keynes of all places. It was very strange, wasn't it? We kind of went, I had no expectations, to be honest. I was just doing the good networking thing and trying to meet more people. And then I listened to your talk and then that was the best thing that I got out of the day. But I think there's so much opportunity that's coming from that, which I think is a nice thing. Me too. It's very random. You literally saved the day. I think if I hadn't met you, I would have been in very different mindset. actually, there was also a really, I don't know if you saw him, there was a really lovely guy called Bernie who was outside and he's converted an old fashioned black cab into a coffee stand. I just thought, and we had such a lovely chat as well. So yeah, you were definitely the best thing that came out of that. And I, obviously we've already chatted for weeks, I do the podcast and I love what you're doing. We've shared a bit of our backstory. So I just thought, well, let's get on a podcast. Cause it's, I think you are changing lives and inspiring a lot of people. And I love capturing those stories and sharing them with others. So tell me about Soulful. This is what you've started. What is it and why did you start it? So Soulful is focusing on preventative wellbeing coordination. So instead of dealing with things that crisis when we're in dire need of the NHS, for example, or therapy, I want to take it back to teaching people the real life human skills that we need. And that's all come from my lived experience. So I grew up, my mum was an alcoholic. and then she passed away four years ago. And throughout that time, I was still having to deal with life in terms of university and my job, managing a social life, relationships, eating well, going to the gym, everything that we all have to deal with. But I just didn't have anywhere to turn to or know of anywhere to turn to that would understand what I'd been through. No one was really talking about it online. There wasn't anyone I could look up to. Leaflets are great, they have their place, they have their purpose, but for me it's all about someone that's actually been through it and gets it that people can relate to. So I started to share my story online a few years ago, like very, very briefly when I was still in the construction industry, which we'll talk about later, but when I was in the industry and people were saying, know, people that I went to school with were saying, I literally went through this as well. And we would sit next to each other in class and neither of us would have any idea what was going on in each other's lives. But we both had that same thing going on. And I just wish there was somewhere to go to where people just got it. So I created Soulful for that gap between needing to find support or not knowing that you even need it, but needing somewhere to belong. and then actually being in support. So we're partnered with 65 partners, they're professionals from charities to therapists to breath work practitioners, yogis, literally everything. And I am just the gateway between that because I've been through it it's my own life story that our framework is based on. It's what I did and how I'm moving through life. And look, there's no perfect. way that it can be like you can't do everything all at once, but just these small things, which again, we'll come onto later, like one small good thing, one positive habit that you can just stay consistent with is exactly what Soulful is all about. So when I met you and spoke to you, I was like, yeah, she gets it. was like, okay, I need you on our platform. So that's in a nutshell where it's all come from. And I think it's just been so nice to see people kind of finally get the weight of the world off their shoulders when they come to our events and you see they've got so much going on in their head and then they're just allowed to just be like they don't have any expectation. They don't have to be a role in a job. They don't have to be mum. They don't have to be dad. They don't have to be, you know, the friend that sorts everything out. They can just be them. And that's what I love because it's just so natural for people to fall into that because you're allowed to just be yourself. No one's expecting anything. As long as you're kind and you support everyone that's in the community and the group, then you're you're allowed to be there. And I love that because it's created a really, really nice sense of safety and everyone's looking out for each other and people are making friends and then they come to another event and they've met someone before. So it makes that easier. And it's just making this support more accessible because I feel like people don't talk about things as taboo topics, stigmas. We know what it's like. We know that people are struggling and suffering in silence. So what can we do to help them gain the confidence, self-awareness, emotional regulation? It's conversations like these with people who have been through it, that know it, that get it, and then someone that they can relate to like me, and then people just start talking. It's been fascinating to see, like, making an environment available for someone to do that. The conversations that I've had about bereavement. addiction, all of these things that people have never spoken about just because I made them feel like they were seen, valued and heard. It's honestly, it's the most rewarding thing I've ever done in my life. No, I get that. I get that. So are people coming to Soulful because they've experienced grief like you or because they're currently in active addiction or they've been affected? is it just a range of people that... It's a range. It can be, it can literally be anyone. The grief and The grief and addiction story is obviously more personal to what I've been through that people can relate to and that in itself isn't spoken about. Young people grieving especially and addiction and parents with addiction isn't really spoken about because the whole thing about addiction is the shame, the embarrassment, not wanting to talk, family secret, which I totally understand but I kind of started there and then where we've then got our pillars of prevention, education and solution, we cover a whole host of topics. all the way from, you know, exam stress, anxiety, grief, trauma, up to menopause, bereavement, because everyone unfortunately is going to experience bereavement of some description in their life, no matter what your age is. And it's just not spoken about because grief isn't something that you just like overcome and it's gone, like it's there forever and you just learn to adapt and grow through that. But having somewhere where people understand it, it's almost like an unwritten rule that everyone's been through things, but we all know that we've been through things. Everyone has a relative experience of life and what's going on and just being able to come together, whether that's to meet new friends, make new meaningful connections. Everyone's really there to best themselves and reconnect themselves to community and this wider world and society. So slowly but surely we're definitely on the way to making systemic change, which I'm really excited for. So exciting. And what would you say is the age range of people that you're attracting? Honestly, so it's a real range. So obviously young people where they're around my age, so I'm 26. So between 18 and 26 is probably our main audience. But we have all the way up to kind of 40, 50 coming on our walks and things like that because we've got such a range of activities. and also services and obviously bereavements all the way towards the end and kind of going through that carer role and menopause and things like that. So there's a real range of people, but that intergenerational knowledge is so fascinating because they have so much to teach us and we have so much to teach them. And those conversations I've always found so interesting because I always say, what's the biggest piece of advice that you would give or, you know, what did you learn from this? And I've always looked up to my elders. I think that's just, we all do. but also in the times of now and social media and AI and how technology is advancing, they have a lot that they can ask us as well. Like, why is that that way? How do you do this? And how many times we're helping our parents or grandparents with Facebook posts or something because they can't do it and we're just there doing it in a second. And that experience and life experience of perspective and how you see the world to share that with people is just so fascinating. It's so inspiring to hear how you can influence people's lives. I don't know if you've heard of the generational handshake before. So I was at a conference in Iceland and they were explaining it. And basically, if there was a 95 year old grandparent who told a secret to her great granddaughter, say she was five years old, and then that five year old didn't say that secret until she was 95 to her granddaughter that was five years old, you can have 250 years of influence on the world. And I think that is incredible. So when people are doing things like we're doing things, we actually have so much influence beyond the years that we're here doing what we're doing. And I think that that to me is so, so impressive, like 250 years down the line. Imagine they're talking about soulful, it would be incredible. Yeah. But I just think that it's so much bigger than just the right now. And as much as, yes, we do have to focus on the present, but there is actually so much impact that we're having that we don't even know yet. Those people aren't even born yet, but we're doing things today that are going to help them. And I love that. Yeah. And also, think the other thing about both what I'm doing with the work in Morning Game Changer, as well as with my Sea Dipping Community Women Who Plunge, and then the wider plunge initiative is that we will never be party to the ripple effect of this. Because what if... someone comes to one of your events and then talks to one of their friends or their family members and that changes their trajectory or their state or a thought forever. I think that as lovely it is to get a lot of gratification from people saying this is how it's helped me and I obviously love receiving those messages as much as the next person. I think I just get so much joy from just knowing that this is going to create an impact beyond any expectations that could even be imagined. So I think what you're doing is absolutely incredible. I wanted to just take you back a bit before you sadly lost your mum. What kind of a person were you before that? Because I can imagine that that experience has made you very emotional, very vulnerable and very kind of wanting to change. things for other people, but what kind of a person were you before that? To be honest, I've always been quite strong as a person. My mum brought me up with those core values, so I've always been compassionate, kind, courageous. She used to always tell us that those are the key things to be in life. Now it's funny because I do workshops and teach people that, so again, it's back to that influence that we have. So we've actually had a lot of grief in our family. So I lost my two aunts when I was about, I think I must have been eight years old. and they both passed away very young, so they were 19 and 20 and they died of cystic fibrosis. But that conversation of grief has always been in our family. So we've always had a very open relationship with grief. And unfortunately with mum's addiction, we kind of saw how bad it was getting and the hospital obviously saying she has a year, she has six months, she has this. it was almost like we did have time to come to terms with it. And I don't know if... people will understand when I say that grief, when you have addiction, it's almost like you grieve them twice because you lose them to the alcohol and then you actually lose them when they die. for me, it wasn't four years ago that I lost my mom. It was a lot longer before that. And I did come to terms with it, but I've always spoken about grief. So I was always quite strong and knew that I wanted to talk about it because I didn't want other people to feel the way that I felt. So I wasn't a completely different person. I was still driven. And I just feel like it's all just been amplified now. So I'm even more driven. I didn't think it was possible, but I am. So, you know, I'm even more compassionate because I've been through the hardest thing that I would ever go through in my life. But I also have new perspectives because I've been through the hardest thing in my life. So anything else, which someone might think is really difficult to me, relatively, it's not that difficult. So I feel like that's why I'm a bit more kind of into doing risks, changing careers, changing jobs. doing things against the grain where people are scared to do that because I just think life's social. We are not promised tomorrow and I don't want it to be a Debbie Down point, but it's so true. And my perspective is you just have to be happy and that is the most important part. And if you're not, just change it. You can change it, you can jump and deal with it later. I honestly, feel like people are just so conscious about what other people think and what other people are gonna say that they really, they let that overtake how they feel and their happiness and it's their life. And if you've not had that conversation before, then you won't know any different. But when you come to our events and you see these kind of perspectives and conversations and conversations like ours, people don't have those conversations. And sometimes, and I'm sure you find when you go into a workplace, it's the first time that people have ever heard about actually being grateful when they wake up in the morning and not going into, I'm tired or like that. constant negative as soon as they wake up. Because if you can win the morning, you can win the entire day. And that's something that I learned from, I don't know if you've heard of Maya Rachora about visualization. That's what she says. And I just, totally believe it. And I think, yeah, I think I'm not too different to what I was. Obviously there has been a huge hole left in our lives, but I've just amplified what I was before. It's incredible. And obviously we have spoken before about the fact that We both lost our mums. You know, I was four years old when my mum passed away and I actually went on a podcast earlier this week with one of the teams I'm working with actually. And I've never really spoken about her in such details I did on that podcast. And there's some stuff going on in my life at the moment, which is making all of this come to the surface. And I just think, you know, obviously this was a long time ago. This was like 1986 when this happened. And I don't blame my dad for how he dealt with her death, but I think if I had the chance again, or if I was giving someone else advice, who's just lost a parent, I would, think it would have been a healthier way to handle it, to talk about it, to talk about it and to be able to still celebrate like her birthday or, you know, have photos up in her house. And I think my dad was so understandably completely shaken by the whole experience that he just pushed it all away and almost pretended like it didn't happen. So the very next day he went to work, we went to school and it was never really spoken about again. And I think for me, my brother and my sister, it's played out in different ways in our lives. It's definitely like you, I've taken a lot of her character and I've always turned into energy rather than sitting, you know, poor me because there are so many things that happen to people. mean, everybody has a story and an experience that scarred them. But I do think that grief, it comes in all sorts of forms and we can't just bury it. Like it shows up for you at some point and it can be really destructive in your adult life just when you think everything's going really well and then bang. Yeah, definitely. And I think that's what we talk about as well with the partners that I'm with and with just grief in general, like talking about it is so, so important. And even if it's just listening to someone that's been through it and that's just the first step, like at least you're doing something and it's normalizing that conversation. Because like you say, if it's just kind of brushed under the carpet like anything, it will always wear its head at some point in your life. And it's almost always going to be a really inconvenient time because it's just the way that it works, unfortunately. But I think that's what I'm trying to build people's kind of emotional regulations. So when it does happen, you do notice it, you can notice it and you know how to sort yourself out and kind of come back. to, okay, I'm fine, I'm okay, I'm just having a bit of an off day rather than completely losing all sense of the world and going into a negative spiral and getting really upset and maybe not having the right people around you, being in the wrong environments. All of those things are so important because you need to have that kind of safety net of your support network to fall into when you have that. But not even fall into, it's more like lean into. Yeah. But I think that it's just, yeah, it's so important to talk about it. And I think when we first spoke about losing your mum, we were saying like what a nice memories and small things like that are so important for people when they've lost someone because it probably is the first time that someone's asking them about them, especially if it's been hidden or not spoken about. And those memories, you can keep them alive and they're so, they make you smile. Like when you were talking about it, it makes you smile and you have all these nice memories. And I don't think that we should ever be forced to not talk about it. Like it is really difficult. It's so hard. There's a lot of things, you know, I'm having a good day where I can talk about it. There'll be days where I'm talking now and I'll be crying and I'm like, ⁓ my God, it's me. And, you know, it just comes in in phases and it's just learning how to deal with that. I've got an aunt actually, and she's like a really cool aunt. every, I don't know, like few years we'll bump into each other at Christmas when I go back home to some set with my family from. And, you know, I As I've got older, I've kind of tried to proactively meet her, she's been one of, cause she was, she was family on my mom's side and she's been one of the only people who has consistently kind of over the years said things about my mom, like, ⁓ your mom was so crazy. Like at parties she used to do loads of crazy dancing or, ⁓ you look a lot like her and things like that. And I think, you know, it's a shame that that hasn't been I look back now and I think my whole life and that whole experience could have played out so differently. But we are where we are and you can't go back and change things. But now me and my brother and my sister are all in one country for a period of time. It would be really cool if maybe we did things differently this year. They say it's never too late to do things differently. I think I also find a similar experience to you with your soulful events that with women who plunge, you know, it started off as just, let's do something good for ourselves. Let's get in the sea together and the impact and the way it's grown. And, you know, we've got one of our members who's been through a really, really difficult breakup and she started sharing her experience online. And we actually recorded a podcast episode together a few weeks ago and it prompted all of these other women in the chat to share about similar experiences they've been through in like a safe space. And it was just like, wow, you know, I remember reading one of the messages and thinking by your face, I could never have known that you'd been through something so difficult and horrendous. And I think now more than ever, the more shared spaces and experiences we can create, the stronger people will, the more resilience, the more mental space they'll have to manage whatever life's about to throw at them. Definitely. And I think that that's also a really good topic because I don't know if you've seen the news recently about how much the government's spending on youth unemployment and also the amount of people now being put into mental health, the system, how much it's being overcrowded. So yesterday there was a whole news article about the government spending £125 billion on wealth. it's an expense to the government for youth unemployment. And a lot of that is because of obviously not being able to get jobs. But I also think part of that is because people are not given those soft life skills, like how to deal with overwhelming stress, like how to schedule their time and rest, like how to deal with a manager that maybe is getting on your nerves. And instead of just leaving, actually approaching a conversation and communication skills, being able to stay in a job. And I just think that amount of money, like I can't get my head around that amount of money because I really think that it could be being spent on things like soulful, on things like the morning game change. Like why is it, where is it being spent and how do we kind of get back from it? And I think one thing for me, like statistics are incredible. They tell us so much that people just put them out there and then do nothing. Like we need to be taking those and actually making actionable points, doing things like preventative measures so we can change. that narrative because otherwise there is going to be this lost generation that everyone's talking about. And I just don't think that they're lost. I just think that they're not being seen in the right places. They're not being held in the right places and they're being forced into these boxes that society tries to put us in. I don't like I'm not getting political. I'm just saying as it is like everyone's forced into a box and you don't have to be in any box. There's no criteria to be it's soulful. Like I said earlier, you just be you. And it's almost that. between actually being in the NHS system where the wait times are nearly a year. Like it is incredible how long people have to wait for support. And actually, sometimes all you need is someone that you can relate to and just to feel seen and like you belong. And you can do that at our event. So it's kind of like this gray area of what do you actually need? Because is it clinical support or is it something more soft touch like so for where it's non-clinical and you're just in a space with other people and you're just reconnecting into society? Isolation is such a big problem. Loneliness is such a big problem in the community. We know that. So let's do things about it. But you can't force people into those situations. Like if someone just opened up a pub around the corner, just said, yeah, it's open. Like that isn't enough. Like you really have to create that environment and you have to put someone that they trust. You have to build trust. Like that takes time. And I just feel like whoever's managing it. is so far off the mark with young people and whether they just don't speak to young people for their opinions of what's going on. The world is so different to how it was when they were growing up. We need to therefore act very differently to how they would be acting and what is going on because, yeah, the numbers are scary, but no one seems to be doing anything about it, apart from us. And I think that, to me, that's also the problem in the corporate world as well. I see this across the board that There are all these good intentions, you know, these employee assistance programs, and, but they're so reactive. And even those, every single HR director or CEO or MD that I speak to, everybody knows that they are, you know, barely utilized, but they don't, they're like a safety net. They don't want to remove them. They could take that investment and invest it in a proactive approach, like what I do or what you do, but it's. easier just to hand it over to kind of almost like a machine and say, we've got something. And I'm also, you know, I'm like you an extremely positive driven person, but I also have moments where I despair at those waiting times, ⁓ you know, the current suicide rates, the self-harming, the amount of people that wake up and just think, ⁓ do I have to do this life again for another day? Yeah, I released a YouTube video the other day and someone commented, because I was talking about building a life that you love and someone commented saying, I just need a life that I can survive. I just thought it's sad, but it's actually extremely common. And I think that one of the things that's happened over the years is we've become further and further away from nature, not nature just as in like outdoors nature, but as in the nature of what it means to be a human being and what we need to feel joy and to feel feelings of all our emotions, but like to feel proud. And one of our community members said to me the other day, that she didn't like herself very much. And I said to her that A, that's really common, but B, like there is something you can do about that. And it's not that we're walking around with these big egos saying how much we love ourselves, but You are you. You are the only person who's with you for your entire life. If there's something you don't like about you, you can change it. Like you don't have to, you know, stay in that same state. I think it comes on to a really good point, actually. And I don't know if it's a controversial one. I don't think it is. But I do think that everyone has a choice. There's always a choice. You either continue in that negative mindset, being the way that you say that you just are. or you change it. And I feel like having that choice and knowing that we have that choice makes it even more possible to then have this positive mindset and just reinforce change and look like it's not going to happen overnight. I've spent years rebuilding myself from what happened, but also from a lot of childhood things. But I'm not going to let that define my life and keep going back to the state of, ⁓ like, poor me, like exactly how you said, just get up and go. And that resilience is something that people kind of look up to me for because they're how do you get up again? And I'm like, like I said earlier, the worst thing has happened to me. So we're just going to keep going. And if it's not going to work that way, it's going to work a different way. And I'm not going to be knocked down and have this whole failure complex that I can't get up again and I can't do it. Like I can do it. Like even this morning, I was doing a class and it's so hard. And I was like, I literally can't do it. And I was like, as soon as you start saying those things, your body really believes it, your mind believes it. And I could feel myself getting weaker as I did it. So then I just started saying, no, I can, I can, I can, can, I can, while I was doing this exercise. And then I finished it. And that gave me so much, what's it called, gratitude at the end. I was like, I am so grateful that my body allowed me to do that. And it was all just in my head. The way that I was speaking to myself was so powerful. And I think that people just forget that because we do get bogged down with life and then we're like, What is this happening to me? This, this, this. But actually, if you just take a step back in a moment, just think, okay, this is happening. Just let it go. Let the emotion roll through you. Gather your thoughts. How are going to move forward? Where's my support network? Who can I speak to? Who can I listen to? What do I need to do? And just reset like that. But yeah, the way that we talk to ourselves. And look, I'm not perfect. It's taken me 26 years to tell myself that I love myself and I like how I look. That's just the way that the world is, know, and I'm not. that again, like walking around, I love myself. It's not about that, but speaking to yourself in a positive way, especially in the morning, like when you're getting ready for work. As soon as you start saying, I hate this outfit, I don't look nice, watch the rest of your day be exactly the same mindset as that. You know, if you say, do you what, I look really nice, my hair looks nice. ⁓ I like how my eyes look or just something small. Even if you like your shoes, I don't care what you like, just say something that you like about yourself every single morning and you'll start to train your body to see those. And I think that that's so important because it's such a small thing, but we forget about it all the time. Yeah, definitely. Definitely. No, I totally agree with you. And I think I also watched a TikTok video the other day of this. just something you said that just reminded me. And this woman was like, ⁓ how difficult is it like in your 40s to to make friends and and to be positive about life? And she was like, ⁓ if anyone tells me to go and join another running club or to go and do this and go and do that. I also thought that sometimes when you, like, so I think we often know the answers to some of our challenges and then there's this gap, isn't there, between knowing and doing, but then you could go to a running club, for example, and not talk to anyone and go with energy like, ⁓ everyone already knows each other. And I know this is happening sometimes with women who plunge, like people. sometimes message or they're just watching us from the sidelines of social media and they think we're all best friends and they think we're clicky and they think that there's no space for them. But actually what I try to keep reminding everyone is we didn't know each other. I stood on that beach that day, I didn't know a single person and I was absolutely terrified. And now, you know, everyone in the group knows, I can't remember everyone's names, there's so many of us and we're growing all the time. So it's the same with cold water. It's like, And I don't know, sometimes I think, ⁓ like I love a challenge, but I really feel like why is it my life's mission to convince people that cold water is the most amazing thing you could ever do for your body and your mind. But so many people, even just last night, bumped into a couple of people and they're like, ⁓ you're the woman who runs Women Who Plan. I'm like, yeah, it's so amazing. You should come down. And they're like, ⁓ no, don't like being cold. Don't like cold water. Yeah, I know. Like who does? know. Like you. No, I don't like it. I don't like it. I just, love the feeling I get. I love the buzz. I love being around all those people who are doing something really brave. And, and that's what I love. And I talk now in my keynotes about how cold showers give you wild animal energy. And it was so sweet. worked with this amazing council. And the CEO came on a call like two weeks after the event and he literally was like beaming and he was like, you were right about the world. know, I know, but it doesn't matter how much content I say about this. It's like people, cause we're not conditioned. Who told you you should have cold showers? It's like a weird thing. It's some people think it's a fad or it's like. something that people in Bali do or whatever. it's like, actually, I'm convinced now, a cold shower is one of the easiest routes to making yourself feel better. It's almost instant. Definitely. And I feel like it's funny that you say that, because I think for me, I originally was getting really frustrated, like, why are people not coming to our events? Like, why aren't people getting it? Like, what is it that they're not getting? But actually, I feel like we both know what we're doing has so much purpose and our intention is in the right place. So just being able to cut all of that out and not worrying about that. Like the people that said that they don't like cold water, I can assure you they will be at one of your events. Maybe not in the next month, maybe not even this year, but they will see it at some point and you just have to trust what you're doing and let go of like worrying about trying to convince people. Because I feel like we only have. amount of energy and if we spend all of our energy trying to convince people that don't want to be convinced and don't have an open mind, then you waste all the energy that you actually want to then have in that session and be positive and bring people up and then you'll get to the session just like, ⁓ my god, like I have to convince 10 people to get here. Like it just feels like a lot. Yeah, no, that's true. That's true. And I used to feel so drained. I was like, ⁓ my goodness, like I'm at this event, but I have to convince everyone to get here. And it was It just wasn't the right place. even when I switched that narrative in my own brain, was like, even if five people turn up, right, that's five people's lives that I've made a difference to. And that is insane. And the fact that the numbers that I'm seeing, I still don't feel good enough. I personally am directly impacting 1,200 people in Bedford this year. And I'm still like, that's not enough. And my friends are like, you? What is the number that's going to be? but it doesn't feel enough. It does not feel enough. There is so many people that just need someone to tell them that they will be okay. They can get through. They can go and do a cold plunge. They can get through that stressful time at work. Like it's not the end and show them how to have joy in their life and bring that into their life. And yeah, I just, don't think there's ever going to be a number that I'm satisfied with. So till then I'm just going to keep going and having that mission to just change the world. I feel like we're both going to be doing that. Yes, definitely. But you're right. And I'm definitely like, I'm only human. I, of course, I want people and I think this is the problem is that I feel so passionately about this. But I want, I don't want if I see someone suffering, I just I don't want them to suffer. And that's also I think part of my childhood trauma that that plays out in my adult life, trying to solve everything for everyone. but I definitely agree with you. The more I ease into it, the more I just And that's what I do now with my work. I just make this information available to people and I've just let go of whether they do it or not. You know, I always get some people like arms crossed thinking this is going to be a load of you what. And then often they're the people at the end who go, wow, that was actually quite good. know, so you got you always see the body language like unfold, relax, then they smile and you're like, It does take But I also get that. It does. And I also get that because, with corporates and teams, there's been so much bad stuff before me. So I don't blame them for tiring me with the same old brush. Then they see the new brush coming in and the actual, the life experience and the practicalness of it all. So we could chat for hours, I know. What would be, I always ask my guests, what would be your number one? positive habit, what's the one thing you do regularly, if not daily, that helps you stay mentally and physically strong, would you say? So I think for me, it's spending at least five minutes of quality time with someone that I love. So our meal time is always the four of us at dinner, just having a conversation about everyone's day, no phone, no anything. And I feel like that's the tradition that people are getting lost now. and people don't do it very often. But even just sat on the sofa or just looking into your loved one's eyes or just actually connecting with them. And it's not over text, it's not on the phone, it's not whilst watching something. Literally just you both in a room looking at each other, really listening to each other. I think that that keeps me mentally sane. It allows us to rant off anything that's happened in the day without needing a solution. It just gets it off your chest and then it's fine. Because like you say, you normally know the answer. So I'll start with something. then I'll do a big half an hour circle and then I'll be back to what I knew and thought at the start. But sometimes you just need to get it out of your system. And I feel like for me, that is my biggest habit, being able to lean in on that support network and also do that for other people too. So if it's five minutes that I just catch up with a friend and just make sure that they're okay too. But I have loads of things. I do like a walk in nature at lunchtime just to break up my day. And even if it's a short one, just make sure that I get out and no headphones really listen to nature and the calming sounds of the wind. And I find it strange because I never used to do that. I used to always have my headphones in or a podcast in. But yeah, actually doing it kind of in silence and really just looking around you. And I think it's that gratitude thing of seeing how beautiful the world is and the trees. And obviously we've had the nice weather and it's just really soaking it all in quite literally, including the sun. And all of that just makes you smile so much. just, I think smiling every day is such a good habit as well. Like finding something, even if you force it, like it's obviously triggers your brain to thinking that you're happy and you can actually like force happiness and joy into your life. And another thing, actually, sorry, I have lots of things. I don't always do them all, but these are a few. So there's actually the position of joy. So if you stand, if you stood up, if you listen, if you stood up, and you put your arms out and open your chest and like look up to the sky, take a really deep breath. That's the position of joy. You instantly will smile. It is the most incredible thing. I sent someone on an email about doing something about it and he messaged me and he was like, that is amazing. How do you know about that? And I was like, isn't it, but all you have to do is like those small things, whether it's a 60 second shower or a cold shower or a plunge or just. standing in a position to allow your body to feel joy and a feeling afterwards. It's simple things. It's not rocket science what we talk about and I feel like more people just need to be a little bit more open minded to it and not have that, I don't like cold water, I'm not going on a walk, I'm not standing like that, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not. Because they're actually limiting themselves for feeling joy. Totally, I agree so much. ⁓ this has been so wonderful. Very soul fulfilling speaking to you, Hannah. Very excited to follow your journey and I'm sure everyone who's listening to this episode will be as incredibly inspired as I am. yeah, where can people find you if they want to find out more about your events and things? Yeah, so you can follow us on Instagram. So it's soulfulcode.uk. All of our events are listed on the link. There's an event, Bright, and you just register. A lot of them are free. We only have one paid one at the moment, but... Then we also do workshops if you're a business, for example, that are available to book on our website or just book a call in with me and we can chat through your wellbeing strategy. Amazing. Well, wish you all the best and look forward to working with you in the future. Me too. Thanks for having me.