speaker-0: Welcome back to UI Chat, the podcast where we discuss everything quibbity and networking. I'm host Alex and as always, I'm joined by Evan McCann. How you doing, mate?

speaker-1: Good. Good to be back. ⁓ I feel like to be on brand this month, I should have a soda with me or something.

speaker-0: Yeah, like a kind of Coke or something.

speaker-1: Yeah, just water for me, but yeah. Anyway, it's a good month for some hardware and ⁓ plenty of other stuff going on.

speaker-0: Yeah, we're a little bit late this month. I've been really busy with stuff, so I haven't had time to anything or record anything here. So we're a little bit later than usual, but not a problem. There hasn't been a massive ton of stuff, but way more than the last time I recorded, is good news, because the last episode recorded was a little bit short, wasn't it? So least there are a few bits and pieces to talk about here.

speaker-1: Yeah, and quick little follow up items. ⁓ you know, as pro four, we talked about that. what was that late last year? I want to say like September, October when all those NAS is launched. This model is now available. It just got added to the store officially a couple weeks ago. I think middle of February and we still have the dream router 5G Max for those Max fans that's still showing coming soon sometime in March, even though we are recording kind of. just slightly at the beginning of March, but we're gonna mostly focus on ⁓ what already happened back in...

speaker-0: If you... whoops. Yep, I knocked some stuff over. ⁓ well.

speaker-1: break something on your desk at the same time. The only other little bit of follow up was we talked about Unify Academy, is kind of Ubiquity's new, ⁓ it's a YouTube channel, but it's also a part of their website where they're trying to create documentation or reference material. They had a new one come out in February, it's called Fundamentals of Unify Wi-Fi Design. So that was video and a new page ⁓ on the Academy. I thought it was really good, really well done. It covers a lot of really interesting parts about Wi-Fi and how to... know, design your network. I all the reception I've seen has been positive. And of course, the cynical take is that they're they're trying to sell more access points, but ⁓ good information freely available. Always good. Yeah. As far as news for February, again, like you mentioned, January was pretty quiet and February things picked up a little bit. ⁓ The first thing I noticed was a very exciting update to the unified design center. It now supports HA and shadow mode planning, multi-select and bulk editing, wired client devices, and lots of little quality of life improvements. ⁓ It's been a while since I used Unified Design Center, but I I noticed that community post for the update there and spent some time poking around. It's a really nice little tool. ⁓ Again, cynically, you could say it's there to sell more hardware, but also it's a really nice little planning tool and it keeps getting a little bit better. ⁓

speaker-0: I'm sure a lot of people would actually end up using that, which is good. MSPs and different integrators and stuff.

speaker-1: And then yeah, that probably the big release for February software wise, which we had talked about definitely last month, but network 10.1. So we got 10.1.83 that went GA, I think right at the beginning of February. And we've had a few minor bug fix releases since then, but 10.1 gives us connectivity insights, which is mostly a bunch of kind of a bunch of features about, you know, monitoring your wifi network, seeing how clients behave. getting better channels assigned, fixing configuration errors, ⁓ seeing how clients were on from AP to AP. It's kind of a whole ⁓ set of features there that's really nice. We also got improved high availability and they have kind of a guided setup for shadow mode, which I don't really have first-hand experience with, but I know a lot of people that have used it have good things to say about that. We got device tags came back, which... you know, probably dozens of people screamed with joy about that. It's just the way to like, especially for larger networks. So you can like tag what building they're in or however you want to kind of organize your devices. In addition to the name, you can kind of use device tags to organize them. And there's a course as always lots of little UI and UX improvements. And one thing specifically with network 10.1.83, I noticed, I think it was something new. have a, they made a few changes to the community and how the posts are shown. The thing I love the most is they actually show you an actual date for the release because for a while it would just show like released a month ago and you wouldn't know if that was you know, February 1st or January 22nd or you know, they actually have the actual date and then the new thing at the top they had for 10.1.83 they had a gradual rollout notice. So they were saying like this is a gradual rollout. You might not see it immediately. So I think they've kind of they've that's not the first time they've done like a phased rollout or like ⁓ kind of ⁓ slower rollout for new software but that notice at the top was interesting.

speaker-0: Yeah, it was a hidden thing with the dates before you could hover over the activity was a bit a bit hidden But that's really useful to know exactly what time and also yeah what date and time it was at the different releases have been released So yeah, it's pretty good And with that version of unify network, I really like that I guess it's a topology view of where the clients have roamed to and that we think we said this last episode the The data that you can now get from Udify Network is rather impressive about what device are doing what and where they've roamed to and from. And you can really diagnose any issues if you do have any. yeah, the visual representation of where a client's roamed to is really, handy. Because imagine if you have lots of access points, sort of nailing that down is going to be little bit tricky. So that helps make it a little bit easier for you, I think.

speaker-1: Yeah, and I really like the improved, ⁓ they have a better kind of visual representation in like multi-AP networks of like which channels are in use. So if you're using wider channels, they kind of show that graphically. It's a really nice little menu in there. Yeah, and another big thing, I mean, the API got a lot of love. There's a lot of other stuff that we talked about last time with 10.1, but that's now out there. ⁓ The last little bit of news, I mean, this is getting into... I guess we're stealing from our next episode because this was, think just today that this kind of came out. ⁓ So we're here at the beginning of March and it's the Enterprise NAS, the Enterprise NVR, the Enterprise Fortress Gateway Core, Retrofit Fingerprint Reader, Superlink HA. There's a bunch of stuff that either is new or that like we knew was coming soon at some point. But Ubiquiti has some... trade shows that they've been showing stuff off. So they're at Mobile World Congress in Barcelona right now. ⁓ Our friend Cody had a nice video covering that stuff and you'll see lots of Reddit posts with pictures of all this new hardware. But that should be all coming soon.

speaker-0: Yeah, we're not going to dive. Well, we can't really dive much into it we don't know anything about these. But yeah, there's a whole host of stuff. It looks like there's a superlink HA with built in LTE support and something else. mean, these are simply just photos. This makes great podcast content. if you I'll put some the images on screen now if you're watching the video version. But yeah, we'll discuss these more in detail when we actually know bits and pieces. But great, great to know there's some other stuff coming.

speaker-1: Yeah, and still know, ⁓ what's the one sensor, was it the smoke alarm? think is the one that I know Jesse was really eagerly awaiting. I didn't see anything about that, but yeah, plenty of Super Link stuff and a lot of stuff for future episodes.

speaker-0: Yeah, the smoke alarm doesn't appear before UWC London, I'll put my hand up and ask a question. If someone picks me to answer a question. Because now that the Nest smoke alarms are now discontinued in Europe, so you can't buy them anymore, that's going to be a really, really good replacement for people who want nice internet-connected smoke alarms.

speaker-1: Right. Yeah. And I said a lot. I've seen a lot of people talk about how it's kind of a nightmare for regulatory reasons. Like you have to get those things certified and all that. Maybe that's where Ubiquiti kind of got stuck in that process. ⁓ So maybe that'll be canceled. Maybe that'll just be delayed. We don't know. Yeah. But getting to the meat of February, we got some new hardware. ⁓ Did you take a look at the Cloud Gateway Industrial or anything with that?

speaker-0: Yeah, this looks... I didn't expect this. This wasn't spoken about at last UWC because there's been a handful of things that have been dripped, sort of dripped, dripped released over the past few months that have been seen at UWC conferences. But this is a brand new thing. I don't know about you, but this looks like it's something that Mikrotik would release. It looks very Mikrotik-esque in terms of design. But this is the UCG Industrial and... The headline stats are that it's a very ruggedized cloud gateway with built-in SIM card support, so built-in LTE. You can run all of the suite of apps that Ubiquiti has. So if I protect, if I access all that sort of stuff. But it can, as I say, can run at ⁓ sort of extreme temperatures if it needs to, and it's dustproof and that sort of stuff. But one of the things I was really impressed with is that it can power Starlink. So if you've got Starlink remote, which happens a lot in building construction sites and road work places, I always see Starlink on their little temporary buildings. And if you could just have one of these to power their Wi-Fi system, that's really, really compelling for a lot of integrators, I'm very sure. So looks pretty good.

speaker-1: Yeah, I mean, it kind of seems like it's pretty similar to a UCG fiber ⁓ as far as the CPU it has, the amount of RAM it has, throughput limitations. ⁓ It also does include built-in Wi-Fi, which the UCG fiber doesn't. ⁓ And then, the few things you touch on, there's a micro SD card slot for the NVR. ⁓ The ⁓ SIM card support is pretty interesting. Because it has SIM card slots on the gateway itself ⁓ But if you use it with a 5g max outdoor it has a feature called remote sim So I assume you put the SIM card in the gateway But then you have the the 5g max outdoor where you have good cell reception and then obviously have like ethernet back to your gateway that's ⁓ That is all really interesting. And then yeah the the starlink support so it's it's ⁓ Not only is it just a you know, UCG fiber with an AP and a ruggedized enclosure, has all these kind of newer features or it's kind of integrating a bunch more. ⁓ I will say the, I don't think it's specifically IP rated for water resistance. And I don't think it's specifically IP rated for dust resistance either.

speaker-0: Okay, maybe I got that.

speaker-1: Yeah, no, but yeah, cuz they yeah, really talk about how it's industrial You know, you know put it in a factory and cover it with dirt and dust and whatever But I don't as far as I can tell it's not dust proof ⁓ And then yeah, it only goes up to hundred and twenty two degrees Fahrenheit or fifty degrees Celsius So I mean there's still gonna be environments that are too wet too hot ⁓ Etc but for a lot of people, ⁓ you know a fanless enclosure ⁓ and the flexible mounting options, all those things, it's a nice little package for that.

speaker-0: Yeah, it just seems like it... top of my head it just looks like it'll be dustproof, but I suppose because it's got ethernet ports on it it's naturally not going to be dustproof. But it's going be a lot more suitable than let's say a UDMSE or something.

speaker-1: Yes, for sure. Yeah, it won't be ⁓ the fan. Fanless is the big thing because it won't be sucking in dust actively.

speaker-0: Exactly, But yeah, I'm hoping, as you said, there's a few new features. I'm hoping this is going to be a sign of things to come for other future cloud gateways. So the fact you can power Starlink off it is mad. Yeah. That's going be really, really good. And also, that nicely ties into how the network reporting on the dashboard can now show stats from Starlink. I haven't used Starlink in a very long time, but I think it can show you if there's anything in the way, potentially, or any packet loss issues. 100 % sure. ⁓ But that's really cool.

speaker-1: Yeah, I don't know the specifics of that, but I think that was added to network where you can kind of view the status of your uplink. I'm not sure how deeply that's tied in or if that's only a star link thing, but yeah, very cool feature to have, you know, one place to look for everything. And the other thing they mentioned is they of course had, you know, their typical hype video, you know, the one or two minute ⁓ look at this fancy thing videos that they love to produce. And they mentioned that this is part of their new Unifi industrial initiative.

speaker-0: ⁓ yeah.

speaker-1: So they showed for one second in the background a bunch of different switch models and it looked like maybe an AP or two, but definitely switches. So we're definitely getting industrial switches. It kind of replaces the old USW industrial, which is, I don't know if that's discontinued. It just seems to be kind of pushed down in the store at the very least. So I'm looking forward to see what else they have, especially in the switch line.

speaker-0: Yeah, it doesn't seem to lack many features really, it just seems really really compelling and in the UK it's about £552 and it's probably a very similar price in the US as well. I really hope some of these features do trickle down or trickle up into their other devices at some point. You can rack mount it if you want to, so there is a rack mount enclosure. On the side of the device there are two handles and they can be quick released. So if you want to hold it around for whatever reason you can, made the whole idea was you can table mount it if you need to or mount it in a rack mount situation. So it looks pretty good.

speaker-1: Yeah, the side rails and the, I mean, it almost seems like that's your wall mount and then you can slide it off and put the table mount on so you can mount it vertically on a desk or something. ⁓ And then yeah, the optional rack mount accessory, which I don't know why you'd want to ruggedize enclosure in your rack, but to each their own, ⁓ that's available and coming soon. The different mounting accessories are pretty cool.

speaker-0: Yeah, I do think the rack mount one's a bit odd. But... maybe.

speaker-1: I'm sure someone has a use for it.

speaker-0: Yeah, there's a dustproof environment for that. There must be. You've got like a mini rack potentially, you just need that. they've got a whole history of offering really a lot of accessories for devices. No, I'm ⁓ quite excited by that. It looks quite cool. As I said, it looks like something Mikrotik could make in terms of the styling. ⁓ And yeah, I don't think we mentioned it. There's a few different ways to power it. You can either use an ATX 48 volt connector ⁓ or just a standard DC.

speaker-1: ⁓ yeah.

speaker-0: DC input if you want to as well. ⁓

speaker-1: Right, was gonna say I want to complain about the DC input because that's it's like a barrel connector. So have this, you know, rugged industrial, you know, hardcore gateway and then you have a little barrel connector that you know, someone could easily pull out or you know, it could easily split out. So I mean, that's a little bit disappointing. The 48 volt support is really cool and I'm sure that'll be useful but come on DC barrel connectors. Come on man.

speaker-0: Yeah, they could have used something like maybe, well not transport from UISP, but something that could lock into place.

speaker-1: If only they had a proprietary 48 volt power standard that they could use, you know?

speaker-0: Oh well. Looks interesting. yeah. $579 in the US and you can order it now by look of things. So very, very nice. Cool. Yeah.

speaker-1: And the other ⁓ exciting hardware drop, ⁓ this actually was just a few days ago, so hey, it's a good thing we're recording a little bit late. We wouldn't be able to cover this. ⁓ But this is a new access point. It's the U7 mesh. ⁓ So it looks very similar, almost identical to the old U6 mesh and the older Flex HD. It's kind of the thin Coke can cylinder style.

speaker-0: Yeah, was a handful of days ago.

speaker-1: It is it's Wi-Fi 7 dual band. So just like the other kind of lower end outdoor options and the U6 mesh, there's no six gigahertz radio, which I know a lot of people are grumbling about. But ⁓ it has probably the most unique features, the new antenna array. So ⁓ it has basically two different antennas for five gigahertz. It has a directional 10 DPI for like they, you know, mentioned for like a long range mesh uplink. And then it also has a 6 DBI Omni for kind of more universal coverage. So that's, I mean, that's kind of the most unique thing about this to me is these, the U7 mesh has that kind of dual antenna setup where it's, really good at, ⁓ you know, maybe up to a thousand feet or so, ⁓ you know, you face two of these at each other and they'll ⁓ have much better, you know, wireless backhaul performance. It's almost kind of a stand in for like a dedicated point to point link. for building a network like that. So that's probably the most unique selling feature of this. Otherwise, it's a pretty standard, pretty similar to the other, like the U7 Outdoor, what other options are there? The U6 MasterMesh Pro, the Outdoor, all the ones that don't have six gigahertz. It won't compete with the top of the line U7 Pro Outdoor. But yeah, specifically if you're looking to... have a mesh network, this is something to consider.

speaker-0: Yeah, looks good. ⁓ As you said, it's just the internals which had an upgrade, which is quite cool. ⁓ And just the external has been kind of left the same apart from the mounting system. ⁓ they've redesigned it a bit and I think it makes it bit more weatherproof in terms of the mounting they've chosen.

speaker-1: That's all new, babe. Yeah, I went from IPX5 in ⁓ the U6 mesh to IPX6. ⁓ So it's still not like, ⁓ won't be good in a hurricane, but besides that, should be pretty good.

speaker-0: Did you notice on the product page for it, I'll put a little clip on screen, but there's a new 3D mode. So you can view a picture of the device, which is like some stats and stuff. You can also view some ⁓ sort of more standard image, but there's a new 3D mode where you can view a sort of interactive model of the access point, which is quite cool. So that's definitely a new thing. I've not seen it on any other product page before, so.

speaker-1: Yeah, that is very cool. I mean, I guess if you don't know what a device looks like, yeah. I mean, this looks like a big white cylinder. But yeah, the 3D view is ⁓ pretty neat.

speaker-0: Yeah, I'm sure that will be a bit more beneficial for other devices that get released, yeah, quite nice. Also, the Ethernet port has been upgraded from 1 gig to 2.5 gig, which is pretty good. And then it also just is powered by standard 82.3 AF, or just POE, at 15 watts. So same sort of power requirements, but a little bit faster on the wired connectivity there compared to the U6 mesh. So that's pretty good.

speaker-1: Yeah, and it's this kind of reminds me of when we talked about I think it was the U7LR Where it's the the trade-offs between the similar models gets a little confusing. I mean, it's not like a straight-ahead ⁓ Upgrade from the u6 mesh. It's definitely better in some ways and less In others like people complain about the the lack of like a 4x4 5 gigahertz radio. No 6 gigahertz support I mean if you want outdoor 6 GHz you need to spend the money to go up to the U7 Pro Outdoor. Both for, you need AFC, you need a GPS antenna, you need higher POE. So yeah, it's not going to replace the top of the line outdoor option. There may be some situations where the U6 Mesh is a better deal and it's also $20 less and still available. There are some situations where the U7 Outdoor is a better pick than the U7 Mesh. just like it... you know you have to kinda pick which model you want carefully and kinda reflect on those little changes between them.

speaker-0: I think what's happened is since the U6 Mesh was released, they've expanded their lineup a bit. And they possibly needed to make a bit more sense in the lineup. So they probably removed features. Because I'm just looking at the tech spec comparison page. yeah, you get two by two MIME on, five gig compared to four by four. I mean, you still get better data rates. But that's because of the higher channel width. And yeah, it's. Yeah, it's a weird one. are certain, as you said, certain areas where it's worse and certain areas where it's quite a bit better. But I in terms of a business sense for Ubiquiti, I think they just need to fit these products into their lineup and make it make sense when you're buying something. ⁓ But yeah.

speaker-1: Yeah, the only other thing I would mention is ⁓ our friend Jesse from TabGeeks. He had a really, really good video. And I know Cody and a few others had videos about this too. But he mounted one to ⁓ a flagpole, and he was 1,000 feet away, and he was still getting a couple megabits per second. So especially if you have two of them and they're aimed at each other, ⁓ it's a really good option for ⁓ kind of a point-to-point type setup.

speaker-0: Yeah, I'll link his video in the show notes. Jesse also did a really cool video on powering a Starlink with PoE, I think from the new industrial cloud gateway. So I'll link that description down below as well. But yeah, that's pretty much it for the hardware. Just a couple bits and pieces in February and very early March. But ⁓ there's quite a few software bits and pieces to get through as well, which is quite interesting.

speaker-1: Yeah, you're our unified drive guy. So have you been using 4.0 or 4.1 yet?

speaker-0: I haven't played with Unifi Drive 4.1, but they seem to be giving Unifi Drive a bit more enterprise, some more enterprise features, which is really good to see. There's a new iPhone photo backup, which is a part of the Unifi Endpoint app. I do wonder at some point if they're going to make a more consumer focused app versus Unifi Endpoint. Surely they could just make a Unifi Drive app. that can be installed on your phone rather than having to use identity in some way. I'm sure that must be a bit of a sticking point for some users, I'm sure. Because if you're in the market for Synology and you're now going to get a UniFi NAS 2 or 4, you don't particularly want to have to mess around with an endpoint app that's not really designed for you. So I'm hoping at some point they will make some sort of more consumer-y app for the

speaker-1: Right. Right. I mean, that ⁓ that seems to fit more with like you have a business and you're issuing devices to your employees. They need to run that software ⁓ and then tie into your MBM or whatever you're doing. Yeah, that's definitely a business focused kind of way. ⁓ The the the I mean, the fact that you can do I photo or sorry, iPhone photo backup, ⁓ I guess potentially they're looking in as a way to like replace iCloud or an additional storage storage. mechanism in addition to iCloud. I thought that was interesting.

speaker-0: Yeah, like an off-site backup. also, if you actually think about it in terms of businesses, if you've got a load of employees that take a load of photos, you're going to burn through that 5 gig allowance pretty quick. Right. So if you've already invested in ⁓ UNAS in your own data center or wherever you've got it, simply tacking on photo storage is going to be a no-brainer. You haven't got to pay for cloud storage, which is a big bonus.

speaker-1: Right, but then you to buy hard drives and those are expensive now too.

speaker-0: Yeah, they are expensive. It also integrates with Microsoft 365 protected cloud backups. So if you need to store or want to store 365 data locally, you can do. So it's more of an offsite backup in case something disastrous happens, which is really, really good. There's a few more of the bits and pieces of a hard drive health. You can do manual smart tests. I'm not familiar with smart tests. you know what that is? don't.

speaker-1: Smart Tests are like, if you have bad sectors on your drive, or if the hard drive's about to fail, ⁓ it'll alert you to say, hey, you should replace this. It's looking like it's gonna fail soon.

speaker-0: see that's quite cool

speaker-1: Yeah, and the other ⁓ big new feature was they have granular file ⁓ operation logging. So you can see if someone deleted a file or moved it or copied it. ⁓ You can get that on a per user level, which was really nice.

speaker-0: ⁓ The other one is network application 10.2.78 early access. There's a time machine feature for the, I'm sure that's a copyright.

speaker-1: Yeah, was gonna say Apple might be knocking on the door there with their legal team

speaker-0: Yeah. But there's a time machine feature for Port Manager. So you can analyze connectivity over past 24 hours and detect any anomalies if you need to. That's going to be really useful for diagnosing something that happened yesterday, for example. Yeah. Because people always say, ⁓ yesterday, the internet was really slow. So you can now go and have a quick look and see what's happened. There's also added infrastructure topology and rack-level digital twin for physical to logical mapping. ⁓

speaker-1: Yeah, I didn't install the EA. I'm still in 10.1. But I mean, they've always had that toggle where you could turn on and off the clients in the topology view. So you could like only see the unified switches and APs, or you could see all the clients connected to them. I'm not sure what the infrastructure topology is outside of that. And yeah, the rack level digital twin. ⁓ That sounds like some weird branding. But I think the idea for that is you kind of have ⁓ a rack layout. Or they mentioned for physical to logical mapping. So it's just kind of a better way to understand your hardware and what things are where I think.

speaker-0: ⁓ I see. That makes sense. ⁓ I wonder if it's a just, yeah, just a way of rather than using some sort of like Photoshop or something to remember where everything is. I think you could possibly put everything in a rack or a digital version. So that's quite cool. Someone might correct us in the comments or they might email me. So who knows?

speaker-1: And yeah, device supervisor. They love their camel cased feature names. Device supervisors is the new one. It's all about monitoring unified device health by heartbeats. And it did, they did mention that you can automatically power cycle unresponsive devices via a POE switch or a unified PDU, which a cool feature, but also like, it seems a little bit worrying that like you guys needed to build a feature where the solution is reboot the device. So it's like, maybe, ⁓ fix the problem where they're becoming unresponsive rather than just ⁓ pulling the power. ⁓ Either way, cool feature. ⁓ Lots of other little things. They added IPv6 for WireGuard, OWE support for open Wi-Fi networks, and your handful of UI and UX improvements that always come along. ⁓ Seems like a nice release, but yeah, we just got the first EA, and I'd assume 10.2 will be GA probably by the time we talk next month.

speaker-0: later this month probably yeah

speaker-1: Yeah, this month. Yeah, sorry. I'm all messed up. We're still in February in our brains, but yeah

speaker-0: There's also a little update to Unified Gateways. I do see sometimes people get confused on the forum. They say, oh, this release has already come out for them, but this is for the UXG devices. Who knows how long they'll survive on their own, but those are still a thing at the moment. Basically, we've got some stability improvement.

speaker-1: Yeah, stability stability stability that seems like I I was diving through all the past couple months where 5.0 and 5.1 releases for all the different gateways and it seems like almost every release notes is just like improved stability improved resiliency improved accuracy They did mention cloudflare DDNS dynamic DNS support ⁓ improved traffic classification improved VR RP resiliency to reduce unnecessary failovers ⁓ good stuff all around.

speaker-0: And then there's a UISP router and console 5.4.2. The built-in version of UISP has been upgraded to 3.0.1.5.1. And there's also a bit of support in there for loopback interfaces, local and remote auth ID support for IPsec VPNs. And then there's a few bits and pieces related to static routes about customizing route distances and that sort of stuff. Interestingly, it says not compatible with UISP 2.3 or older. So it's probably something quite significant that has changed between those two versions. yeah.

speaker-1: Yeah, the hop from hop up to three dot. Oh, it was kind of a dividing line where things aren't supported on either side of that.

speaker-0: Mmm.

speaker-1: And yeah, seems like, mean, this is our 17th complaint about the UISP products, ⁓ loopbacks, like this product's been out for what, two, three years and they just added loopback interfaces? ⁓ Yeah, I wish ⁓ those were more, ⁓ but any movement is good.

speaker-0: Yeah, yeah, think, as we've said before, I UISP is just a bit of a forgotten part of the business.

speaker-1: We need a UISP router industrial, then maybe they'll pay attention to it.

speaker-0: We need a UISP event, we need a UISP world conference, instead of Unified World Conference. That would be something to go to. There'd be five people that go to it, but it'd be amazing.

speaker-1: Yeah, there are dozens of us.

speaker-0: You That's pretty much it really for this month. A little bit of a short, well not so short as last time but it's a little bit shorter than usual. I think we mentioned it a little bit earlier but there's a few bits and pieces relative to the community forum. So you said that, I noticed this as well and I'm really really happy because if I'm trying to go back through release notes and figure out what has changed there's now full history and full sort of visibility of each version and its history of updates. So if you go onto any software update, there's now a little drop down and it will go right back to very start and you can see exactly what's happened, which is fantastic. Yeah, really, really, really good news because it's trying to figure out the version history of something is quite difficult. I mean, it doesn't go back quite as far as, so if I look at Unified Protect, for example, it only goes back to version five. It doesn't go back any further than that. So I'm sure they're adding. that linking into different versions of software potentially but it's really good nonetheless.

speaker-1: Yeah, it seems like it'll cover the past couple years. Like it goes back to network 8.0. And I agree. mean, those are like the little things that maybe affect us more than most people. for anyone, if you're trying to go here, understand what version you're on, what's changed. ⁓ yeah. Those little improvements are really nice. And dates, dates are always good.

speaker-0: Yeah, no, it's like, yeah, that's a small thing, but it's really, really appreciated. Yeah. Yeah. And also, as you said, the gradual rollout notices on major releases. I've noticed this on nearly not everything, but let's say, yeah, even on UniFiOS 5.0.16, which is a very small update, there's always been a, there's also been a gradual rollout notice. So. Maybe if there is a problem, not everyone's affected if there is a problem with a certain release, or maybe just to sort of not overwhelm their servers as well.

speaker-1: Right. Yeah, I'm sure it's all of the above. ⁓ You know, that's a pretty normal thing for software is, you know, deploy to 10 % and see how it goes and then expand. ⁓ seems to be that, they're getting better with the messaging around ⁓ RC versus release versus gradual rollout. ⁓

speaker-0: Thanks. Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty much it really. Is there anything you've been working on the past few weeks or has it just been work, work, work for you?

speaker-1: Work, work, work. ⁓ Working on the weekend, working in the evening, ⁓ having fun with certificates, ⁓ you know, the usual fun, enterprisey stuff.

speaker-0: Nice, yeah. ⁓

speaker-1: What about you? I know you've been Mr. Car Man this year.

speaker-0: Yeah, if anyone's not aware, I've got a car review channel, which I do when I have time. The first two months of this year have been absolutely bananas. So really, really crazy. And we get a lot of Chinese brands in the UK, and you don't at all in the US because of tariffs. So the relentlessness of those brands in this country are... ⁓ something to behold and there's always a new model every single week so there's always something to check out and film. In terms of UniFi stuff, we've rolled out UniFi OS server at Hostify now so if you want to get professional UniFi OS server hosting, check out Hostify for that. So that's really good news. I've been using it myself the past few months. It's great, everything...

speaker-1: Very exciting. You had to convert all of the current servers had to be converted, right?

speaker-0: ⁓ It will be so not quite yet. Yeah ⁓

speaker-1: I'm what yeah, I'm sure that is a whole operation. ⁓ but but that's cool. It's available now

speaker-0: ⁓ yeah. Yeah, it's awesome. I've been using the travel router when I've been on holiday and different trips and things. I've connected back to my hostify instance and it's been working really, really well. yeah, the difference in terms of feature set between legacy Unifi Network and Unifi OS, there's a lot to it. yeah, it's just a nice upgrade really. It makes things a little bit easier.

speaker-1: Yeah, now you can use the endpoint app to back up your photos and sync to the cloud and sync locally and do all the things.

speaker-0: All the things. Awesome. So that's it for this episode of the UI Chat podcast. If you like this sort of content, please consider subscribing on Apple podcasts or YouTube or whatever, whatever platform you do listen or watch this podcast on. whatever. Exactly. Not bothered either way. Well, I am a little bit, but... ⁓ Where can people find you online, Evan, if they want to find out more about you and what you do?

speaker-1: EvanMcHan.net

speaker-0: Fantastic. You can find this podcast, as I said, on YouTube, in video, if you want to watch us for any reason. It's on Apple Podcasts, it's on Spotify. Please go and subscribe to either of those platforms. It really does help us out. And we're trying to get this podcast out to a few more people this year. But we're really grateful for everyone who is listening and watching to this show. It is really good fun to do and track what Ubiquiti is doing and hold them accountable a few times and to see the progress that they make. So every listen, every like and comment is 100 % appreciated. Again, thank you so much for listening or watching and we'll see you again next time.

speaker-1: See ya.