Dan Webster Golf: Hello and welcome back. This is a big one, big fella. We're on, correct me if I'm wrong here, but we're on episode 10. Russ: We are, yeah, we are. Dan Webster Golf: Good. No cake, no balloons. You know, we're celebrating. You know, not many podcasts get to episode 10. Russ: I thought we were celebrating the fact I got the microphone to work, but Dan Webster Golf: Yeah. So a couple of things I've learned this week about the podcasting. You kind of put your knuckle about the microphone, about knuckle away. Apparently it gives them better sound. know, I'm getting feedback from people that are listening quite regularly. Have you had any comments from any of your pals, golfers, acquaintances this week? Russ: Of people at the golf pub, yeah, been quite embarrassed and changed the subject very quickly if I'm honest. Dan Webster Golf: what? no, I mean, if anyone starts a conversation with me about it, I'm like, I'm there for an hour. Love it. I'm just looking for content really. I have had, I've got to read a couple of bits out because I've had some lovely comments about the pod. We are going to get into some actual stuff. I did just confess to Rusty before we came on that been a bit busy and I haven't done a lot of prep for this one, but you know, Rusty's going to carry it. Thanks for that big fella. But Russ: Wow. Dan Webster Golf: you my hairdresser, you know, have you got a hairdresser? Russ: very good. Dan Webster Golf: My hairdresser. Sorry, was cool. That was below the belt. It's nice, Dan. She's been listening to the pod. I mean, I casually dropped it in 84 times whilst I was last having my ears lowered. And she messaged saying, really enjoyed your pod. The next Simon Bartlett. Yeah. so Russ: Wow. That's Stephen's brother. Dan Webster Golf: Katherine Dummigan, thank you very much for that little shout out. His son Joe's had a couple of lessons, had a lesson lately and did really nice. He's another of these 25, 26 year olds that just getting into golf and they, you know, then they probably do a bit of gym. We probably played a bit of football, but golf's their next thing and his pals are all playing. So he's one of that fresh crew that we really enjoy spending time with. Another message came through a chap called Simon Burnett. Do remember Simon? Do know Simon? He's been to Russ: I think so. Dan Webster Golf: Turkey with me a few times, really good lad. he loves taking the mic to be honest. So when the message came through, I thought, here we go. What's he saying? He lives in Wales now. Don't really see much of him. Loving the podcast, mate. Episode four, lots of parallels with me. Some opposite, but relatable. One point I'd like to make though is despite a career outside of golf, it definitely helped him a hell of a lot. Shy boy in school. Can't believe that, Simon. Shy boy in school. Does that sound familiar, Russie? Being around adults as a junior member, being at golf club most days probably gave me the personal skills that have helped me do quite well in his career and he has done very well. And this is something we've talked about quite a few times now, isn't it? How golf isn't just about, you know, high performance and becoming an elite athlete like myself. This is about what it's open, what doors it's open for people. What you think to that one, big fella? Russ: Yeah, definitely. Yeah. I mean I think we said in the first chat that we had a couple of weeks ago. I think my career in sport over the last twenty five years started from a helping hand from a fellow member at the golf club back in the old links days. So yeah, it it's I think it helps shape your personality, help helps connections, social, everything, you know, especially for for kids, massive. Dan Webster Golf: Right. And gives you the confidence to sit and camera and sit in of a mic out of your comfort zone and and record over 3000 stream podcast. Happy days. are celebrating many things. He also said keep going pal as always you're doing good things. P.S. when you talk about being in the lift all you can picture is all of us in the lift at Swenno. So if you've ever been to the Swenno Golf Hotel there's this glass lift. That's what a lift does. Yeah. Those that are listening, my arms are raising up and there's a glass lift and you just leave the lobby, you're in this glass lift heading up to your room and you can always tell the ones that sneak off the bed early, they think they're sneaking but they're in this big, the big glass lift where you, whoa, it's quite, it's generally me, big fella. Russ: Yeah, right. Dan Webster Golf: Yeah, I'm just moving around a little bit. I'm just gonna show you this. Sat on a cushion. It's, Russ: Even got a comfy chair at home, no. Dan Webster Golf: well, it's really comfy but it's quite low. So look watch right if I sit on the chair I've gone where am I down here so I mean this is riveting absolutely riveting content for the show so have you had a good week much much been going on since I've last seen you Russ: quiet compared to you, I think. We obviously need to hear about Spain. My my weekend highlight was a cross country challenge at Fairhaven, which was really good fun. I think the greens had all been holotine. There's lots of drainage work going on. So a bit of a a bit of a social where you're playing from the first T to the eighteenth green and then the eighteenth fairway to the seventeenth green and all all that sort of stuff. So yeah, it was that it it Dan Webster Golf: That's a idea. Russ: was good fun. I think there were sixteen holes altogether. I managed to muster up thirty one points. So it was good Dan Webster Golf: he's on fire the lad. Russ: Yeah, don't know. I think it was handicapped qualifying though somehow but Dan Webster Golf: So pretty much you paid from the first tee to the 18th green, so normal golf for you. Russ: Yeah, we y there was a lot of normal golf for me air on the wrong fairways, yeah. Found it quite straightforward. Dan Webster Golf: When you just said cross-country, actually, sorry about this, but I pictured you in the 118 outfit running around Fairhaven Golf Club with the Russ: That's that's not a sign that anyone would be old, is it? Dan Webster Golf: big bushy wig on. You used to have a hair like that. Well, you did have hair. Like a big bushy wig, like the 118 Russ: Obsessed with obsessed with my hair today. Like I've I did once, yeah. Dan Webster Golf: guys. We're not denying that. And I'm sure... There's people out there listening that have images. have footage of your hair in the past. So anyone wants to send it in for the pod? That's great. Russ: Unlikely. Pre digital cameras, all that. I think I was I think I was bald by the time. Anyone had a digital camera? Dan Webster Golf: As it helps, you've been cross-country golf for any other kids at all? Russ: no quiet really. more interested in your trip to Spain, clearly. A far more interesting weekend than you're you're massively trying to avoid that by just asking me mundane questions about my weekend. This is your Dan Webster Golf: No, yeah, yeah. It was, was. Yeah. Russ: show that I'm supposed to just be the straight man on. Dan Webster Golf: It was good. It was good. So I was invited as a part of team overs. So as a team of over, I think the age was supposed to be 35 and a team under the age of 35. And it's been going about eight or nine years. A lad called Danny Beaumont puts it together, stay in a lovely house. Bill, the rugby guy, Bill's house, we stay in in Empuorio Brava is the area in Catalonia near, it's actually. just outside Girona. And I'm not sure if you followed any weather forecast or news over the weekend. I know Spanish weather is, Spanish Russ: Quite wet in that part of the world, I think, wasn't it? Dan Webster Golf: weather is the top of your priority, I'm guessing. And we flew in on Friday. We got up, I think I got two hours sleep. We were in the minibus at half two in the morning. Six o'clock flight, first flight out of Manchester gets to Girona into the minibuses, team overs in one bus, team unders in the other, and they're all good lads. Some of alright actually. were good guys. Gets the course, we're Camerale. Ryder Cup 2031, playing with Camerale. It was a bit sunny, it was okay. Gets the club house and we're not actually off until half two, we got there at 11. Yeah, and that Russ: Three hours of bears, then yeah. Dan Webster Golf: there's a couple of drinks and one thing I will say two things actually. If anyone here, anyone listening, this is an off chance, has ever been to the Lou's at Camerall. I went and had a sit down, I had a word with myself and the Lou's, this is something I've never had before and believe this, am, I know I'm short, but I couldn't touch the floor when I sat there. The first thing, right? I mean. And I'm like, this is not a great start to the day. to ask for help to get off the loose. Secondly, the doors are all clear glass everywhere, like. Russ: Clear, clear, not frosted. Dan Webster Golf: just the clearest glass you could ever see and they all slid. Russ: Okay. Dan Webster Golf: So we might've had a couple of beers, a couple of Ceveta and you know, it's like a maze getting, but just a maze of loads of glass sliding doors. So I was, again, I'm going to do this for the camera. I was walking with my arms in front of me doing this just to make sure I didn't go bang, straight into a glass door. Yeah, so before I even got on the golf course, tell it was going to be a day started off me and Ash Butterfield playing partner and we're playing Matt Pomeroy he has been mentioned on the show Cook times Goodland he's going to be one of the first founder members at P4 by the way and Russ: Beautiful. Dan Webster Golf: Olly Brennan Olly Brennan thinks he's a good golfer he's all right he used to be quite a good rugby player I believe back in the day dad was captain at Royalism recently really good person and we absolutely whooped him so one up we beat him and Somehow I was shocked in front nine. I think it was the trauma of having to jump off the toilet, First few holes, couldn't get going. Hand play, golf rages, back nine, two under, just like this. And I thought, possibly going to get, if Luke goes on golf game book and sees this score on the back nine, he's probably going to give us a call up. But then he'll be like, no, sorry, you can't be the team because. We haven't got steps to get off loose. So that was day one. Day two, were at Peralada, another great course. Didn't play great. I was a bit tired. I was a bit jaded. We were playing a few drinking games in the evening. I got a bit carried away with them. They played some weird, Russ: How are you? Dan Webster Golf: know, weird private school games, which I was a bit, ooh, not for me, lads. Met two really good lads, Tom Swyer, who's putting a clothing brand together. Golf Clothing brand together. We'll have a chat about that in a little while as well. But also Jack Gardner owns the pork shops and sells meat pies all over the area in Northwest to really... Who's that? Russ: Uncle Dave's Sausage. Beautiful. Uncle Dave's Sausage. Dan Webster Golf: Do you know Uncle Dave? I don't know what we're on about here now. Right, because Harry's Russ: The pork shop sell and cut out sausage. Probably need to delete that now. Dan Webster Golf: got an Uncle Dave. So... Dave, Russ: Yeah, I d I don't think he sells sausage, does he? Dan Webster Golf: no. I can't wait to tell Dave you on about his sausage. So, okay, so you know Jack sausage then. Russ: Uncle Dave's sausage, yeah. Dan Webster Golf: So Jack Gardner and Tom Swire, two absolute legends. If you are in the market for meat and you're looking for sausages, he does everything himself and what a businessman. So yeah, learned a lot from them boys. I actually played them the next day, me and a lad with a broken shoulder played Tom Swire and Jack and. We were as worried at one point we're get dog licensed. It was not looking good. Russ: Shoulder's not easy for golf, is it? Dan Webster Golf: No, but he had a golf pro with him, but I was a bit jaded. so it's not to worry, I didn't get dog license. It's okay. We lost eight and seven. Russ: Well then yeah. Dan Webster Golf: Yeah, we got absolutely whooped. And the final day, this little storm appeared. Like threat to life storm. Phones were going off all over the place. Do not leave your house. We were out on a boat that night. We had a lovely trip to John Cole's restaurant. had to travel about half an hour through the sea to get to it. It was a little choppy and we got there. everyone was warned about this weather system coming in, we had a lovely dinner. A couple of lads fell off the rib that got us back to the boat, which is interesting. Palmeroo and Woolwick fell off and I did a little chuckle. Instead of reaching in to help, took a photo. Russ: Yeah. Dan Webster Golf: Yeah. And then we got back on the boat and it eased off. Thankfully wasn't too choppy on the way back, but by 10, 11 o'clock at night, it was starting to whip up. Next day again, more alerts come through your phone. Don't leave your house. There was floods in Barcelona, floods in Girona, a threat to life. A few people unfortunately passed away through the storms. Massive hurricane just sat outside for like 12 hours. So we couldn't play. We couldn't play the It was ended in a tie for the week, which meant the overs retained, which was a good job really, because our captain, Woody, you get a star every time you win and the overs had won four times. So we got four stars, but then he ordered caps with five stars on, if you can see the camera there. Russ: Very confident. Dan Webster Golf: Well, he didn't realize he'd ordered them with five on. So we actually sat and had a long, lazy lunch on Sunday. Didn't get to play any golf, went out for lunch at half 11, got in at two in the morning. And then back on the plane. hence, yeah, I was a bit jaded, a bit tired in work, Russ: And and she's been quiet all week. Dan Webster Golf: Monday afternoon, a little bit tired in work. But yeah, so when you message about the pod, like, what is it that time already? And thankfully you've got some amazing content and you know, you've done loads of research today. I have got a few updates. Yeah, I've got a few. Well, people, Russ: Wow. No pressure. No pressure. I think my start was I was Spain. I think that was it really, wasn't it? I thought that would do us for half an hour. Dan Webster Golf: everyone's fast forwarded Spain. They've all fast forwarded it. I didn't, it took a while. But so, couple of updates for you though. We'll see if Russ: Yeah, come on. Dan Webster Golf: you want. LGA, the driver range. You know what, I tell you one thing why I might have been a little bit quiet and I'm not sure how much of this I should sort of share really, but it's a curve ball. It was an absolute curve ball last week with the landlords sort of explaining to me that potentially they won't be looking to develop anymore. It's a lot more into it than that. after a year of expecting to lose that business and prepare myself mentally, emotionally for that and setting up P4, all of sudden it looks like it's safe. It looks like we're going to be there as long as you want to be. And I'm massively relieved, but also a bit shocked and a little bit off balance. yeah, off balance, I would say. Russ: Which is totally understandable. I thought I thought you were quite bullish last week of like, yeah, this is great, yeah, we'll just do both. Dan Webster Golf: Yeah, I've prepared for it. So I've been in work the last few days actually making plans for LGA, which I haven't made plans for. I've actually fell out of love with it last, you know, because what's the point if you know you'll lose it? So we've got so far the plans. I don't think we mentioned it on the chat, but got a ball printing machine coming from China. Have I told you about that? No, Russ: Okay. Yeah. Dan Webster Golf: no. It's on a slow boat though at the moment. It's due November. Ball printing. So it's not, it's not a cheap investment, but when golfers come in and buy the dozen balls now at LGA, and we've got a lot of them by the way, free ball printing, whatever you want on it. You can have your face on the ball, your logo, personalized. Russ: Nice. Like can you have lines? Dan Webster Golf: Sorry. Russ: Lines for putting. So I've got a list, haven't I, that I did send you on WhatsApp. You've probably not read because you've had a busy week of amateur golf life. And and that's Dan Webster Golf: I'm not seeing it yet. I'll have a look in a minute. Yeah. Russ: one of my things at the moment is is drawing a line on the ball and how much it's helping with my putting. So is that we can Dan Webster Golf: Do know they come with lines on? Russ: Well some do. And I think I started by I started with it by finding a is it I think a Chrome soft calloway that had got three lines on. I thought it was just Absolutely sensational. And so I've now been Dan Webster Golf: Calloway will love that. Calloway being massive sponsor of this podcast now. Russ: We're we're agnostic and everybody's great, aren't they? But Dan Webster Golf: Of they are, Russ: the those the those chromosomes balls with three lines on Dan Webster Golf: Hahaha! Russ: are sensational to put with. Too expensive for me to buy. I'm a Kirkland man through and through. As anyone that plays with me knows. Dan Webster Golf: Yeah, but you wouldn't be upset if he sent you load now. Russ: Yeah, well, if they send me something I'll clearly use them, yeah. Dan Webster Golf: you Russ: but so can you back to your printing machine? Is it just for printing letters so you put your name on or whatever or or what what Dan Webster Golf: print anything on. Russ: right? Dan Webster Golf: Like if you send me a photo or I design one on AI, you know that, you know the 95 year old Russie we had as a a thumbnail once, you could have that on. Nobody would ever pinch them would they? Russ: yeah, that that was that'd be awesome, yeah. No. Dan Webster Golf: But no, you can put, literally, if you can imagine it, I can get that printed on your ball with Uncle Dave's sausage. and print anything on your balls. Where are we going with this this week? Apologies for anyone young out there listening. Get to bed, it's after eight o'clock. yeah, so that's one thing we're doing and that's due in early November. So Christmas, any dozen balls you buy from us, free printing and we're going to that on any ball pretty much. But yeah, we can print lines if you want. Just, I'll chuck you a couple of my Callaway Grimsoft triple tracks. Okay, the other thing as well, tape. Russ: Do you so do you genuinely play that ball and do you use the line? Do you Dan Webster Golf: I use the lines. I use any help I can get. I need a step ladder to... Russ: It's been a revolution for me, this, in the last couple of weeks. I'm yeah, well Kirkland don't put the line under this, so I'm late to the party. Dan Webster Golf: Where have you I hope you've not got any druids tops. That'll upset me. Russ: No, I'm all right. I'm all right. Puma don't make golf balls, do they? So Dan Webster Golf: I've had the message. I missed it from the Puma, new Puma rep, Sean's left saying, Dan, how are you Russ: Sean has left, yeah. Dan Webster Golf: doing? Can we touch base? What are we looking at for next year? So I just ghosted it. I'll give him a ring. Russ: 'cause you're all about I do now. Dan Webster Golf: No, I'm all about doing the best for my business. So on that note, TaylorMade, I was a TaylorMade ambassador and now a Calo ambassador, but TaylorMade. This year, again, like I say, I go back to what I said a minute ago, I kind of lost my mojo of LJ and thought, why invest? Why try and make it look better if it's going to be taken away from me? Put my focus into P4. Now that's changed. I met with Martin Beatty. great guy, TaylorMade, Aero sales manager, came to see me today, telling me about the new product. Next year, TaylorMade, QI4D, you heard it here first. Yes, the embargo, there isn't one. It's the same as this year's. Yeah, it's Russ: Good job, smashed it. Dan Webster Golf: the same as this year's gear. It's a two-year life cycle, first time they've done it. I think first time ever they've done a two-year life cycle on woods. Irons generally get that. Ping do it, Titleist do it. telemaid of just joining the gang and gone will be kinder to our customers will make it easier for our retailers to your lifecycle. Russ: It total sense. I think we talked about it a couple of weeks ago, didn't we, when we were touching on my time on the on that side of the fence with with Cobra. It's a it's a that they're not doing it to be kind to anyone other than their own business, to manage their inventory levels. And that's Dan Webster Golf: It's true. Russ: not a bad thing. That's just sound business practice. It isn't possible to keep churning through all this stock. There isn't enough change in the tech and improvement in the tech to keep turning it around. It doesn't make any sense. And then it then you're in a race to the bottom. You're clearing last year's stock you're trying and I I notice you've got this year's pu Cobra driver in in clearance at 379. That only came out 10 months ago. And there'll be another one coming out in two months, which is why you're in clearance now. And it it it's just a cycle that's too too quick for a product that's north of five hundred quid. Dan Webster Golf: Yeah, the market saturated with clubs and Teldemay doing that, I think it's great for me. And also it's worked for Ping. I think I did explain to Martin today, you'll have a struggle with this second year sell. Generally, it does slow down. Ping have been very good at it. There is a new iron, can't say what it's called, but a new iron coming out to replace the P7 range, because that's been P7 90s. some 70s have been some of the best selling items of all time and there's a new iron coming out so that'll refresh their market their retail side so but so because we are staying this was an initial point was having a new store in store tailor-made all fitted at lsumgolf calomy because at the minute we've got a little poxy tailor-made stand massive calaway looks amazing superb ping looks amazing tight list you know It represents the amount of business we do with Titleist. It's not the biggest stand and it's a bit more bespoke. It's a little bit more market brand, I think is what clients assume. I can do a bit more on that in a bit if you like, but TaylorMade was a bit of an old standing look, right? So they're going for it. They're putting a nice big three meter stand in, I think in November. So we've got a Russ: Facts. Dan Webster Golf: top tracer upgrade, five year contract. Their cameras, the new cameras, they're fitting. Track the ball. They work for you this, Russie. They track the ball even over five yards now. So if Russ: ideal. Dan Webster Golf: you top it, it'll get you. It'll show you. can't just take it, know, 30 yards the old camera. The other one, we have a really big challenge. And those of you that come down in the summer around about eight o'clock, seven o'clock in the evening, and it's just going dusky. You know, and that light just changes. Russ: Yeah. Dan Webster Golf: Cameras don't really track every time. So in a couple of weeks time when the new system's in, pretty much tracks when it's dark apparently. upgraded cameras, upgraded screens, upgraded tech, upgrades in the store, changing a few brands around. We are back, baby. I'm not calling you Russ: Perfect. Sounds good. Dan Webster Golf: baby. Yes, it sounds all right, doesn't it, that? Russ: Anything exciting happening at P four? I saw some branded cans of IPA, was it? Dan Webster Golf: Yeah, that was my, I did mention it last week, didn't I? I've been to Russ: He did. Dan Webster Golf: the brewery, so they've sent me some images. Yeah, it looks great. Look, I'm right at the point at the moment where we are waiting still. So waiting for decision from the planning office. 30th October is the date they gave us. They'd tell us not a lot I'm doing at the moment, not a lot I'm doing to... change anything at the minute. You I don't want to be presumptuous. I've done as much as I can to prepare. I did have a meeting yesterday with Golf Swing Systems who are fitting all the golf sims, electricians, designers, architects. They came up, like five of them, was there at P4. Just understanding layout, understanding where we need power, where we need lighting, what kind of lighting. head was spinning. I mean, to be honest, had a tiring couple of days in Spain. I rocked up for a little chat about this and there's five guys giving it like, like, we need this here. What about that there? What about this there? And I'm like, you know what? just, you know, let's just have a minute. Let's just sit down and let's have a cuddle. Yeah. And they thought that was a bit weird really, but yeah, we've got, I'm really happy where we're at with that. It's now two weeks, I think two weeks, two and a half weeks before any decision. So I'm kind of okay. Okay. That's fine as it is gonna nip away next week. week after half term with Becker and the kids, just need a little, you know, I haven't been away for at least four days, but no, need a chill and a calm down because the next six months, if everything goes to plan and now I'm going to be double busy and, Russ: Lam. Dan Webster Golf: and yeah, hopefully have a little health check and get out there and just chill for as much as I can chill for a few days. And then when I get back, we'll hopefully, hopefully all systems go on new project and reinventing, rejuvenating. I'm going to go LGA 2.0. think that's where we're to go. Change the layout of the store, change the customer experience, show people we're back and we stay in. Russ: Beautiful. Sounds good. Dan Webster Golf: Little update for me, I think we're pretty much done there. 25 minutes, we haven't even got to the topics yet. I just need to read just my cushions. Russ: to get a bit higher in the chair. Very open oriented today with the with the rig. Dan Webster Golf: I had noticed that. I just went up into Harry's room and pinched, I went and pinched a cap and then thought, that matches the jumper. Russ: We'll have a match in hoodie. Dan Webster Golf: Isn't it hoodie weather though now? Russ: It's just suddenly changed almost in fact almost this afternoon I played teed off at two o'clock this afternoon in a T shirt and then by the time we were finishing the sixteen holes that were open, it it was pretty grim and raining and nearly dark and dull and felt very wintry. Dan Webster Golf: just about the right time to have a really nice modern four bay indoor golf facility opening in your town. Russ: Unbelievable. Dan Webster Golf: It will be great, won't it? So go on, let's have a little chat about a few of your observations from the weekend. I missed it. I was having a long lunch. Russ: Also Dunner Lynx, yeah, I think this pulled a f pulled a few threads that we've talked about over the last couple of weeks together quite nicely really. I mean, Adrian Maroc that won a European tour event or DP World Tour is a live player. So that that that tied back nicely to that conversation, didn't it? Where we were saying there were so many more of those guys coming back into play. And I think Dan Webster Golf: And he won. Russ: he he won it, yeah. 20 under, I think, 68 last round. and it was it was I didn't I didn't watch a huge amount of it, but again, seeing the seeing him play the last couple of holes looked super emotional for him. I think it's a some it's his fifth win on tour, I think, not not won for for over three years. so he he was sort of doing these really heavy and obvious sort of breathing exercises over almost every shot, and it really s you know, you could really sort of feel. pressure and the nerves and and everything. It's a big paycheck, isn't Bit of an anomaly that tournament I think obviously huge sponsorship from from Dunhill. So I think it makes a massive difference if you can get that that Dan Webster Golf: Yeah. Yeah. Russ: big check and the in the sort of win in that that that it'll make to him, especially coming back from Live, well I assume he'll have had no playing rights for for next year and Dan Webster Golf: Mmm. Russ: is probably almost sorted with that that one week last week. So so yeah it was really his interview at the end. was just super emotional. So it was it was great to see. And again, it just played on that thing we chatted about last week of that these guys, the there's so few of them operating at the the real top top level and and what it really does mean if you can get get over the line and win. But it was yeah, good and and always good. St Andrews is just an amazing backdrop, isn't it? So it was it was a good watch. But you would Dan Webster Golf: Just go back to, has he had any success on Liv? Excuse my naivety on this one. Russ: I mean I've lit I could I have you've been to a couple of Live events, haven't you, at the JCB? Dan Webster Golf: know. Yeah. Russ: I have literally not watched one shot being hit in Live. Just net's just never floated my boat at all. Dan Webster Golf: You wouldn't go, you don't watch the golf. We didn't know what happened whilst we were there. It was like a party and high-fiving players. The actual golf we didn't really watch. So that's part of the problem, I guess. But if he's gone and had an average time on live, maybe he's earned a few quid, but probably owed most of it still. And then he comes away and wins that, like you said, a marquee event, a bit of an anomaly for money, very well respected at the home of golf. That's got to set him up nicely now, hasn't it? And he's got his tour card, surely he's back on the DP World Tour from that and probably pushing now for a PGA Tour again. Russ: Massive. So it was a yeah, it was a good watch. And I think the Dan Webster Golf: Did you mention about his breathing? Russ: well, yeah, you could see, you know, I I don't know specifically what techniques he was using, but it was really obvious just watching on TV that he was he he was sort of really taking his time over his breathing, you know, whether it's an exhale, inhale sort of strategy or whatever. But it's it you know, we were chatting a little bit about this on text, weren't we? You've done some of that stuff of I don't know. Dan Webster Golf: Yeah, I think breathing is underrated. I mean, it's quite important, isn't it? And if people say, well, of course I know how to breathe. I'm 53 years old. Now I would say controlling your breathing. And I think I'm going to use the right word here. I hope I do diaphragm breathing. That's this bit here, isn't it? Okay, understanding if you hyperventilate generally you're breathing quickly and short up in your, above your chest. and that's panicking, makes you feel worse, deep breathing, proper breathing. Did you notice, I didn't watch it at all obviously, did notice you might have held this tummy at all or, because what you generally do when you're doing a proper breath, you exhale, exhale and pull your belly button towards your spine if you're driving, try this now, and it kind of gets all the air out of you. And then your next breath in is a pure breath. You are receiving air back into your lungs and into your tummy. And you can feel like, and I did watch, VJ Singh do this in a tournament years and years ago. He stood with his left arm or one of his arms holding his driver, his other hand on his tummy. And he was breathing in and out of his diaphragm. He was breathing correctly to control his heart rate, to control his nerves, to control any anxieties you can do. So there's a lot, there is a massive technique there. I'm not going to try and preach about it because I've not done a deep enough dive. However, if you know how to control your breathing in a stressful situation, whether it's golf, work, you know, any other things kids playing up. If you can breathe better, control your breathing, you can actually react totally different to that initial reaction you might get a fight or flight. So it's worth looking into and we might get a breathing specialist on the pod at some point. Teach us how to breathe properly. Wim Hof, I don't know if we could reach out to Wim, the old Irish bath. I did learn something recently. Russ: Yeah, it's coal therapy, huh? Dan Webster Golf: cold therapy, I was, was poopooing it recently. And then I've listened to a podcast this week and I'm like, there's me go again, wrong. Cause I thought cold plunge therapy or cold water therapy, it's great within five minutes of hard exercise. And that's physically. So if you've done a big run, if you jump in the cold bath half an hour after it's going to do you no benefit, but within five minutes, it'll really help. So I'm like, yeah, that's great. We've got a nice bath out there. I'll go and get in it in the morning. thinking it would do me good. And then I learned that maybe it doesn't. Well, actually, I've recently relearned that the amount of serotonin and dopamine you get out of a cold bath will help you focus for five hours minimal. Russ: worth doing every morning, huh? Dan Webster Golf: Yeah, I wondered why I was so focused when I did it. I'm, you know, I'm needed to switch my focus on a little bit in the minute, I think that's going on. if you are out there doing a few cold baths and you think what's the point in this? I did learn that it was more for resilience than anything. If you can get in a cold bath every day, it's showing a bit of a mental strength, but actually there is a lot of study and tests. Huberman, I listened to some of his stuff and he, yeah, he's been talking about the amount of dopamine you get from it, how it enhances focus. loads of other things as well. So yeah, get jumping in the Cobbafill. They're on sale at Liddell at the in the middle aisle apparently as well. Russ: well I look to talking about psychology and breathing and nerves and stuff, that is part of the reason that I play Kirkland balls or just any old trot. I kill my first tea anxiety is bad enough as it is, but for me it goes up another notch when I'm when I'm playing with a shiny new golf ball and thinking, Well I'm just gonna lose this straight off the bat. And honestly I l I always start with a with an old ball. Can't I can't Can't cope with the prospect of losing a fiver in the first shot. But and on that, Dan Webster Golf: Fiver. Russ: well, if you're so Pro V one's the market leader, Dan Webster Golf: Yeah? Yeah? Russ: it but it can't be the right ball for everybody to use, can it? There's gotta be, I mean, you clearly sell more than one ball and different, but not just that as a as a brand, you know, TP five, I guess, is the equivalent, isn't it? So all the brands have got a Dan Webster Golf: Yeah. Russ: version of that kind of ball. But what as a mid handicapper Is that doing me any good using that or is it just a bit of a vanity project that I say I'm I'm teeing up a pro V one? Dan Webster Golf: Right, so I'm going to I'm going to play a bit of a devil's advocate here. Russ: You know doubt now, aren't you? Dan Webster Golf: The brands you speak to, Tatlist, obviously, or Callaway, they'll say you should play the best ball you can afford to lose. Because and there is and Russ: Yeah, content. Dan Webster Golf: fair enough, that's that's you. That's you because, you know, there is a psychological aspect, but no, the Pro V1 and again, I'm a Callaway ambassador and Callaway went thank me for this is probably known as the best ball people trade them as currency and they have been for such a long time. And yeah, it has distance benefits for a low handicapper, has spin benefits for a high handicapper. Every aspect, the yin and the yang, it works for. So if you're playing a tournament and you want to play your best golf, Rusty, you've got to go for the best ball and it isn't just necessarily, so Pro V1, Pro V1X, Bridgestone is a good ball. Calloway's, Krohme Soft, Tor, great golf ball. And you read my golf spot, look at some of their numbers, you've got to find a ball that you like the feel of, that's an important one. So when you're playing short game, you get the right reaction off the ball. You like the sound of when you're putting, that's again, huge. Feel is generally sound as well. So when you're talking about playing that little eight foot, 10 foot putt and it comes off the putter with a click, you might like that. So it's generally gonna be a different cover to the old ballata back in the day, know, that is a bad ball. The ballata ball went nowhere, spun for fun. Yeah. Russ: I used to make those smile very quickly. Dan Webster Golf: And then you... Russ: So but what about all the spin rates? So it's throwing it into into P four and all the data that you that you get out of a track man, which i is is ball fitting not a big part of that in terms of you know, a different ball's performing in a different way for the same swing? Dan Webster Golf: Huge, Yeah, yes. One of the reasons I'm looking forward to opening the facility, one of many reasons is on the drive range, I can't do ball fitting. So I'm fitting someone for a driver and we're dropping the spin to 2,200, which might be a number we're looking for with the new Callaway driver. But that's with a range ball. The ideal fitting, the best fittings in my opinion are with the ball you play. So if you're playing a... ProV1 or ProV1X or even a tailor-made Torspeed ball, whatever it might be. So many different kinds of balls out there. And that's your ball and you like that ball because of the things we've just mentioned. You should be fit with that ball. Otherwise it's nonsense, isn't it? And then when we fit you with that ball for your equipment, you'll then get the performance that either try and get the performance will aim to get your spin rate to X. your carry distance to y, but with the ball you use. So when you come for a fitting with me for your Kirkland wedges in the new year, Russ: You're opening a Costco as well. Dan Webster Golf: I've got room, it's massive that place. So when you come for a fitting with me next, the first thing I'll ask you, apart from your name, is what ball do you play? How would you like it stamping? but we will. This is a service I'll be able to do, by the way. If I look in... my diary and I know I've got a Russie Thomas coming for his fitting and it won't don't be surprised if there's a sleeve of three balls of your name on that are there for you when you arrive and we'll do the fitting with them balls taken away with you that might be your 15 quid of the Pro V's by the way if you tell me that's what you play you know who's doing that kind of fitting service not not many are they so anyone what Russ: Last search. Dan Webster Golf: anyone watching or listening to this already at the minute I said it first anyone out there club pros that going, what a great idea. Well, first of all, they've got to get a ball printing machine from China and then they've got to fit with the ball the customer plays and then you're getting true information. That's performance right there, big fella, isn't it? Russ: Nice, sounds good. Sounds good. And then my other amateur moment, this might be a to you a bit like my chat GPT putter fitting from last week, but been chipping with my seven wood and re revolutionary for me. I've my chipping is horrific, thins, fats, duffs, awful. Dan Webster Golf: Yeah, I've seen it. Russ: Yeah, so just been putting a chipping a little bit like a putting stroke with with a seven wood. absolute game changer but f I felt a bit of I was on the chipping green probably for about an hour on Sunday evening and four yeah Dan Webster Golf: with the seven word. Wow. Russ: there you go. So you've done it as well. That was going to be my point. About four or five people w what walked past all took the Mickey like like it was an absolute fail. I'm like this is great. The results were good. So what does is that there we go. Dan Webster Golf: Do it, do it. Yeah, so why not? I used to chip with a hybrid. Seven woods are more common now. A lot of people are using seven woods. And if you've got the club in your bag, you don't have to just use it for your 200 yard floaty, high flighted shot into a par three. Into Russ: Sort of one sixty for me with a seven more butt anyway. Dan Webster Golf: wind. Yeah, but yeah, use it. And I think that's brilliant and very brave of you. Russ: It's a last resort, genuinely. It's not awesome brave. It's Dan Webster Golf: No, mean stood in front of the clubhouse for an hour doing it. That's all. Yeah, not too bad. Russ: It was a Sunday night, it was quite it was quite quiet to be fair. Dan Webster Golf: No, I agree. I think you should do and look, we've talked about the seven iron challenges and things we've done. I think you should explore every shot with every club and be able to master a specific shot that gets you out of trouble. And for you, if you're struggling with that chip and run just off the green and you fluff a few, catch a few fat, it will put the fear into you and that'll make the shot worse. And you can't... Russ: Right, so no, so so Michelle, as you know, is just doing getting to golf programme at Fair Over Dan Webster Golf: Mm. Russ: and she's just been allowed out on the course now for the last couple of weeks. So we had we had I think this was on Sunday as well, we had that few holes. And so she's sort of like, what do I do you know, what club do we use now and how far have we got them? What what do I do? And so she's like 30 yards short of the green and I'm telling her to put because that's what I've done for the last 30 years. Dan Webster Golf: Don't put the fear in, Russ: Well, exactly. She's and she's got a great little technique with it with a wedge of just chip it up nicely. I'm like, 'cause she's not got any of the forty years of pain that I've got of thinning and fatting them. I'm like, Yeah, you you need we need to stop putting these and start start chipping them 'cause you you can Dan Webster Golf: Yeah. Russ: actually chip. Dan Webster Golf: She can, yeah. And I think that's the same. I've got that big problem with Harry and Charlie. If I instill my 35 years of fears in them, they'll be, they don't need it. They can learn themselves and golf's hard. We don't need to pre-warn them. It's like, that's almost like putting stabilizers on your kids' bikes for the rest of their lives. They need to fall and hurt themselves and fix it themselves, find the answers. I did, I'm going to just move away a little bit. I did mention earlier. Tom Swyer is clothing brand. the reason, Russ: Okay, yeah. Dan Webster Golf: yeah, so he's, and this isn't a shameless plug for him by a way, because he's not ready to launch yet, but it is a sign of the times. It's a sign of what we've mentioned earlier, you know, he's a very business, a very busy businessman, got 70 staff, he's an entrepreneur, and he wants to do, his job is his job, you know, pays his wages and pays the bills, but he wants to do something with a bit of passion and that he cares about, so golf. So his idea was to create a golf brand that is not your Under Armour ID Nike, it's not quite as expensive in Melbourne, but it's got that off course on course mix. And he kitted their team, so six players, the Unders, a couple of them are quite cool, rest not really, but he kitted them out. Russ: Wow. Dan Webster Golf: Yeah, but they're all listening. He kissed them out and they all look pretty good. So even the ones that aren't that cool looked pretty good. Russ: Yeah. Dan Webster Golf: On the golf course, they wore the golf stuff. In the evening, they wore the off-course stuff. And it just worked. And his price point's gonna probably be, I don't know, mid, in between the Malburns and the Under Armour. So we're gonna say 50, 60 pound for a golf shirt, probably 80 quid for a sweater. You know, not daft, not silly money. Russ: Yeah. Dan Webster Golf: I hope it works for him. The only worry and concern I've got is there's quite a few people doing this at the minute. And to get you on a little bit of market share. You've got to give a lot away. You've got to be seen wearing it. He did some great footage while we were away. think one of the lads fell off the boat in it. So he's got a good image of that. know, but a couple of things he kept coming back to was tribe and creating a tribe mentality. That's the BrewDog thing. That's the P4 getting Russ: Yeah, running clubs, so that sort of yeah. Dan Webster Golf: in the lift with us. Once you've got that tribe and if they support you and they believe in what you do and they see why you're doing it. because it's a passion and it's not as a moneymaking scheme, then I think it'll do well if you guys down that route. Anyway, thanks for the free top, Tom. We'll be doing the pod on it next week, I promise. No, he hasn't. But yeah, the reason I wanted to discuss this, this is happening a lot and I'm seeing more and more brands pop in, pop out and it does affect the mainstream. One or two will take, hopefully this one will. Lazy Ace, quite cool name as well. Logo looks good. It's a sloth. the logo. You know, I mean, I think this last logo, it Russ: Name sounds name sounds cool, not sure about the sloth, but I'm sure it looks good. Dan Webster Golf: looked alright. It took a while to work out what it was. But then again, it's just, it's just different. It's cool. Have you got any other, you got any comments, any notes, anything, any observations? We'll see. We've been on a while again. 43 minutes. How long are people listening for? Russ: didn't chop much out last week either, 'cause you threatened to chop chop half of it out. You left it all in. Dan Webster Golf: I thought, because I was tired and I've been up all day. No. Russ: no, you meant to press save and you press publish. This the this is the real truth. Dan Webster Golf: No, no, no, no, I listen, I listen back when I'm editing and I just like the rawness of it and anything that's too edited and cut, it's choppy and it's, yeah, I'll take a few filler words out, the ums and the ahs, but the rest of it, we just leave in and then we haven't prompted this chat tonight, we haven't done anything before it. I actually had zero notes. You've got some useful information that people might listen to and I've done a bit of waffling, but... We're still early, remember, it's only 10 episodes, only 3,000 odd listens. When we've got 5 million streams and we're on episode 374, I did notice Rick Shields though, you might've spotted this. You know, he's done a few pods again and he's upgraded his podcast studio. Russ: Yeah. Dan Webster Golf: I think he's feeling it. I think he is feeling it. knows Webster's on the march. Webster's tribe. and one other big update. Webster's weather is back. If you follow my socials and you're not sure what to wear when you wake up in the morning and you're thinking, wonder what the weather's like, go on your Instagram. Webster's weather will have given you an update. I'll tell you how warm it is. If it's chilly, if there's rain, dew and possibly what to wear. So yeah. Russ: Are you are you hand picking yet? I know the weather forecast tends to come when in the morning when you're doing the balls. Are you it it's coming. Dan Webster Golf: I'm prepping, I'm prepping. We're still on the mule. This time last year was dark. It was lots of reasons it was dark, not just Russ: Yeah. Dan Webster Golf: outside, but the optimism wasn't there. Now there's optimism, there's brightness. So even if it is raining and dark and we're going to handpick, I'm in a better place and I feel a little bit more excited about going in and doing it because I know we've got a future and we've got this new... P4 opening and launching in the next few weeks and that's really something for me to look forward to and be excited about. So yeah, doesn't feel as bad. Russ: That sounds like a good place to wrap. Dan Webster Golf: It's not too bad is it? Yeah, nothing else to say I think really. Episode 10 in the can. Thank you again, Rusty. Russ: Yeah it's it's good fun. I'm enjoying it. Dan Webster Golf: Yeah, me too, buddy. Catch you soon. Speak to you later. Thank you for listening, everybody.