Aidan: Part of this process is it was ⁓ me coming up with a method to process trauma that I had without knowing about anything else that would help. And so part of it is actually kind of revisiting your previous self at critical junctures where things went really fucking south. And either like coming in when somebody should have stood up for you, and you imagine yourself walking into that space and standing up for your previous self. Or you know that if you'd gotten a particular kind of support. speaker-1: without ⁓ in. ⁓ Aidan: maybe it wouldn't have had as much downstream effects. And so it's going back and really putting yourself in that space in your imagination and and going, Hey, that was fucked up. But we're okay. And so you can let it go. And I have all that shit you're hanging on to right now. Because I know how to speaker-1: you know. Arden: Welcome to the Repatterning Podcast, where we believe your mind-body system is your domain and that choosing the beliefs, habits, and patterns that best support you is your birthright. I'm your host, Arden Leigh, creator of the Repatterning Project, an eight-week course in learning to free yourself from the patterns of your past and program your mind for your dreams of the future. Join me for these extraordinary conversations as we unpack the keys to creating our reality. Welcome back to the Repatterning Podcast. I'm your host, Arden Leigh, and I am so excited to welcome today's guest, Aidan Wachter. Aidan a practicing witch and animist, ⁓ also the author of three books: Six Ways, Approaches and Entries for Practical Magic, Weaving Fate, which I have my copy of right here, Hyper Sigils: Changing the Past and Telling True Lies, ⁓ Changeling, a book of qualities. I'm really excited to chat with Aiden today because when I started reading some of his work, I recognized so much sympatico between Aiden's approach and the approach of the Repatterning Project, which is the eight-week course that I teach that inspires these conversations on this podcast. And by the way, if you're listening, chances are we are presently enrolling for the next session. You can check us out more at therepatterningproject.com or you can go on Instagram. To at the Repatterning Project, and you can find out the details of enrollment there. And what I really, really love about Aiden's approach is that it feels to me like the very witchy, sensory-based right-brained approach to the same truth that the repatterning project arrives at from a very analytical, logical, left-brained approach. So One of the reasons I'm so excited to have Aiden on today is that I want as many people to understand this sort of basic truth of reality and human nature and life and magic and agency, as many people as possible to to be able to access that deep spiritual wisdom. So I really hope that today's conversation with Aiden might help some of the folks who maybe resonate more with that. more organic and right-brained approach to understand some of the things that I've been sharing on the show already. So Aiden, welcome. Thank you so much for being here. I'm super excited to chat with you today. Aidan: It's excellent to chat with you. ⁓ it's ⁓ it's been a while since we have, so it's super nice. Arden: It has, Aiden, you guys, Aiden has been ⁓ a guest teacher in my advanced container twice. I was extremely honored to welcome him. And he's blown everyone's minds each time he comes in and chats with us. So I'm really excited to talk with him today, too. I definitely want to start off with the first book of yours that I personally read, which is Weaving Fate, Hyper Sigils, Changing the Past and Telling True Lies. And I was reading in the beginning where you're talking about deconditioning. And stripping away some of the beliefs that we get conditioned with over time or that there are moments in our past that form. And I yeah, I just wanna start with that actually. Maybe can you tell people maybe about what your approach was or the approach that you guide others through in order to do that work? speaker-1: Yeah Aidan: Yeah, so I came to that ⁓ you've been around me, so you know I'm gonna background everything. Please do. I was thinking about this in relationship to this conversation, 'cause I know what you do, and I listened to you the Grant Morrison and Doug Rushkoff ⁓ things to see how you were running things. They were both great. So speaker-1: haha Arden: Thank you. ⁓ I'm honored. Thank you. Aidan: How I got into magic was through punk rock. And I met these anarchist dudes who were a couple of years older than me. One of them was a magician. And they were all more into kind of industrial music at that time. And this would have been 82. One of the guys, it may have been a more general discussion, but I remember one of those guys turned me onto this idea that he referred to as tape loops. And the best way that speaker-1: And what Aidan: For people now is before there was sampling and before there was digital sampling and all that stuff that we just take for granted now. You wanted to do that kind of thing in music, you would actually record a looped sound of something, an instrument or a vocal, and then you would play it on tape decks. And so this was what tape loops were. And that just stuck with me as I I it was kind of in the back burner until I got heavily into magic. And then as I was doing that. speaker-1: And the more- Aidan: I began seeing people who ostensibly knew what they were doing and had way more kind of book knowledge than I did, but I could watch them running these loops that were to me really counterproductive to the work of magic. Arden: ⁓ boy, that is all speaker-1: mood Aidan: Right that you're like, ⁓ you're really stuck on it has to go exactly right, or it has to go exactly this way. And so if you try to light a candle in a ritual, the lighter is not cooperating, you lose your shit. And to me that was crazy because it's like it's gotta you've gotta be way more resilient than that, right? It's like, what if you never get it lit? Does that mean you can't do magic? To me, that's fucking absurd, right? And then just consistently over time. speaker-1: tool and Yeah. Aidan: I would have moments where I would be doing something and I would realize like I don't know why, except that there's a little voice that's telling me, like, you're doing it cuz, you're doing it cuz, but that's part of the loop. It's part of the program. And so you could kind of interrogate it for why, and it would come up with all sorts of whys, but it was really clear that they were all empty. The why was really just. speaker-1: I'm doing it. like Aidan: Because it's what we've done before, it's what we've been taught to do. And I could see this in most people I knew in a very unquestioning way, particularly like teachers and parents and folks like that. Because I got into this stuff when I was quite young. And so I began thinking about it then. I don't think I really got a handle on it until I was reading, I think probably for the second time, the Amber books by Roger Zelazny. Have you read those? Nine Princes in Amber. speaker-1: people that I. Arden: I have not actually I've not even heard of those. That's speaker-1: So I might have to that out. Aidan: It's Nine Princes Through the Courts of Chaos are the good ones. And anyway, I was already practicing pretty heavily. I'd read it before I got serious, but I I know at this point I'd been practicing and was considering myself a chaos magician at that time. And the thing that's really interesting in those books is there's reasons behind it, but some of the characters can basically walk between worlds. And the way that they do it is they like get on a horse or they walk or they get in a car. And as they're traveling, they go, Okay, but what if the ocean was not on my right? And they could have it shift to the other side. And they could do this and kind of move between kind of planes of existence. So to me, this was a great description of magic. We begin to remove the things that aren't correct for us and replace them that thing with things that are closer. And eventually we end up in a completely different in a in a completely different line. So that's what. speaker-1: Like. world. Aidan: was kind of the roots of all of that stuff for me. Arden: I actually want to read just a couple paragraphs from Weaving Fate that really particularly moved me. Is that all with you? This is the stuff that when I read this, it it just it really clicked for me so much. And I was like, you know how when they say ⁓ like a lie like can manifest in a thousand different ways, but the truth always has sort of the same ring to it. This is how I felt reading this part of your book. So I'm just gonna share this with our audience. Aidan: Yeah. speaker-1: Absolutely. Arden: If we can move and shift ourselves free of these locked down and rigid belief structures, we can return to something like a native or intrinsic state. This is a way of being that existed before the desires of others became our own, before all of life was mediated and sold back to us. From this intrinsic state, we can begin to live a life that fully suits us as we are today, right now, not what we came up with when we were 16 and we were told we had to decide who and what we would be. When we were all grown up, if we were offered a say in it at all. Making these shifts is to begin steering our fates to become co-creators of our lives alongside the weavers. If we wish to change the outcomes we experience, to alter the trajectory of our lives, we are best served by changing it at the roots of the tree, at first causes rather than attempting to conjure different fruit or ends directly. We do this by addressing those causes which produce the effects already in play. That we wish to modify. This allows us to shift or transform them into powerful drivers that lead to more suitable outcomes or states of being. By altering important points along the trajectory of our lives, we can achieve different end states. Much of what we base our current experience on are memories of the past. We recall what has happened before, interpreted as good, bad, or neutral, and we extrapolate from those memories to see where we are likely to end up next. These past experiences often dictate what we believe about ourselves and our situation, which helps to form what we think of as our self-identity. From a sorceress perspective, our identity controls not only our current position, but our sense of what is possible and so our future outcomes as well. I just got chills reading that again, even though I've read it many times already. Tell me a little bit about how you arrived at that. speaker-1: Hahaha Arden: Conclusion of deconditioning for yourself. Aidan: So I came in to magic through the Temple of Psychic Youth. The Temple of Psychic Youth was started by Genesis Bjoridge and Peter Christofferson as a project they did after Throbbin Gristle broke up. There was always this deconditioning element in there. And I'd had the experience when I was so I found that when I was 15 or 16. And around the same time, I also ⁓ took part speaker-1: And, in there. Aidan: as the youngest person that had ever been allowed to an S to off shoot kind of encounter group week, where the he was also addressing this kind of stuff directly, focused a bit more, of course, not what I was would be interested in, but ⁓ given who was kind of had the money to do this in general, ⁓ you know, it was more business folks and kind of that usual thing that you get for that stuff. speaker-1: end. can. on what I'm. And what a Aidan: I what I figured out from watching that was I could like look at my parents and go, Okay. Later in life ask them, it's like how much of what you did did you decide? speaker-1: and out. on and they were like well all of it and you're like no no no no like Aidan: How much did you actually sit and speaker-1: think and go, I want. Aidan: To do this life like this. And both of them were like, never. And I was like, ⁓ okay, this is what's wrong with me, right? This is why I'm not fitting in. Because this is super critical to me. Like, why would I? And some of those things I did want, but I still asked that. Okay, I want to be, you know, I was super neurodivergent, weird, nerdy punk, stoner kid. speaker-1: We're like. Aidan: way more interested in in in music and science fiction than anything else. Yeah. And all of that I just think led to sending me down that. Like why do people And I believe it's almost entirely conditioning. speaker-1: want what they want. Aidan: Essentially, there's like a good form of con social conditioning and there's a bad form. Right? The good form is what we see, and most of the places we see it now are what we would call indigenous cultures that have managed to hold on to it. But the language that I prefer to use is like functional society. And to me, a functional society is one that everybody in it is functional. speaker-1: And in what and Aidan: Productive. That's different. That's, you know, capitalism speak. But that they're okay. They know who they are, they know where they are. In those kinds of cultures, in in functional societies, you have all of these stories that explain where you live, what your interrelationships with the landscape are, with the animals, with ⁓ ecology and ⁓ with the spirits, with the dead, with each other. I could see. speaker-1: like they. And within. and what I. Aidan: And still see here is that we don't have any of this. We have kind of everything is production aspiration. And so everybody nobody and I think this is why people are so crazy. Not necessarily in a clinical sense, but that too is because we're looking for ground that it doesn't exist within our culture. Know on that intrinsic level that you ⁓ you know were reading about what that is and what it would feel like. speaker-1: And we. Aidan: And so we have this huge amount of like loss and grief and no way to process it 'cause it's never even addressed as being relevant. Or if it is, it's in really shitty ways. It's, you know, nationalism and statism and corporatism. Are you pretty enough? speaker-1: Are you wealthy enough? Aidan: all these things that shouldn't matter. You have a totally dysfunctional society. And so to me, all that is is is programming. A big part of the work of magic for me, because I believe that magic is an innate thing within us, is getting rid of enough of that, or at least getting to where you can see it and pick and choose that you can actually get to that state where you can do magic. Because otherwise you're doing like the wrong things for the wrong reasons. And this is, I think speaker-1: is. Aidan: the the biggest issue that I see for folks that are kind of drawn to spiritual practices is often they're not given a real understanding of what that would even be for. It's like super vague. And if you could kind of go, well, hey, maybe it's to get you outside of those programs, or at least choosing them, because some of them work. Some of them are very good. It's not necessarily, you know, it's arguable that some speaker-1: Thanks operating. ⁓ Aidan: Spiritual systems are seeking to get outside of all of that. I would argue that they have their own cultural conditioning within those systems, because it still has to fit that model, or they don't accept it. And so to me, that's kind of the most baseline piece of magic is like, can you get control of yourself and control of your situation at least enough to know what you think about the situation you're in or really? speaker-1: But I. You in 4-DL. Aidan: That's not mediated. It wasn't fed to you. Arden: Yeah, I feel like it's a very difficult point to get a across to a lot of contemporary occultists. ⁓ I just read actually just the other day, Matt Oren shared a quote from Christopher Penzak, and I didn't prepare it, so I'm paraphrasing. But essentially what that quote said was: the external things that we can get through magic, you know, a new job, a new lever, like those are great, and you know, but really. what I respect most deep down is people who do the spiritual work to change not their external circumstances but themselves, to gain more confidence, to gain ⁓ you know, a a sort of spiritual grounding and sense of calm and and to be able if you like if you change yourself, you're gonna change the way that everything everything that you interact with. And ⁓ and I believe that that really is what repatterning is is about, you know, and there's Plenty of ways, both mundane and magical, to rewire the brain and change your own inner state of being, which is, you know, primarily what I teach. And I always tell people, you know, I really think take the first seven years of your practice and make sure every sigil that you cast starts with the word I. Change yourself first. And then, you know, after that point, you know, and I'm not saying don't open your roads to certain outcomes or whatever, you know, sure. Get give yourself the, you know, the things that you want, but But before you try and control anything else in your external reality. And I find it so difficult to get that across to so many occultists who, let's face it, a lot of people in the occult world are more than a little bit unhinged and are stuck in these sort of power grabs. I have magic, I'm going to use it to control and dominate things. And if you're trying to tell me to be a little goody two shoes over here and just work on myself, you know, that's not interesting to me. Not only is it not interesting, but I kind of think you're a wuss for, you know, not going out and grabbing that. ⁓ yeah. How would you speaker-1: ooo Arden: communicate what we're speaking about to that archetype of person. Cause man, I have tried. Aidan: So I have like a a ⁓ I th I tend to hit a problem in there with folks that are wired that way because I'm a hardcore animist. And so for me animism is not metaphorical. speaker-1: Anyway. ⁓ Bully. Aidan: Immersed in a world spirit contacts and have for years, they're verifiable. Isn't that what they suggest? Is not what I would tend to do a lot without having some guidance. And if I do that, things work and then connect through other people to me. Like they will have other people tell me things, because I'm not the most clairvoyant person. So like I have a good friend that will periodically calm up and go, hey. speaker-1: that I have very, very regular. in the time. then they often... period. Aidan: These people you work with, they want this on when I bring it to them, it's really clear that's true. And it's just like I'm not clear enough in that particular way. That's not a skill I have to pick up on. So those folks tend to have an issue with me anyway, because they also tend to be very materialist, even if they do on some level that there's a ⁓ something else. They're viewing it in a materialist way, I think. ⁓ I talk about it. speaker-1: the altar in like what. Kind of buy in what's going on. ⁓ but how Aidan: So by the time this comes out, I'll have a I'll be running a course on kind of building a practice in the way that I suggest for people. And the first document kind of talks about what we just said and it and and how I kind of define it. It's a PDF called records. That's the first thing you get when you get in there. And it's basically saying, like, okay, what we tend to do is operate like a vinyl record or for modern people, like a playlist, right? It's track one through. speaker-1: playing rec. Aidan: 800 and you tend to hang out in maybe the top 30 and they kind of recursively feed into one another. If that's going on, you don't know what you think you do, but you know what you were programmed. And that's the issue with that approach. Because it's like if you don't do that work, you're trying to fill a a a without knowing the shape of that void and without knowing the depth of that void. speaker-1: want. Yes. to what? avoid with Aidan: And so that kind of self-knowledge is hugely important. And one of the great things about results magic is it's a really rough road, but it's a great teacher. All the things that aren't satisfying. And so for everybody that quits five years in or 10 years in, because they are still unsatisfied, it's like I think they missed the turnoff. And the turn off is at some point is going like, wait a second, if I can manifest all this stuff and I'm still not happy, what's up? Yeah. Okay, well, you're manifesting something that isn't what the actual thing that you need is. But you know, it's a hard sell because people raise certain we're I think we get entrenched about things that we feel certain about because we have like an emotional attachment to that. ⁓ it's like what we're talking about at the beginning: like if you speaker-1: It's like, okay. We're with You know. Like. Aidan: I just would never create a ritual that's done outside that requires me starting a fire. If that's the key point there, do that inside. Right? Because it's like, why are you going to set yourself up to there's a million ways you could do a ritual for the same thing. There's no singular path. Yeah. So I think it's interesting. It's ⁓ and I also think it's tough because it's there is a reality that we do need to have enough of the stuff. speaker-1: Well... have. Aidan: That is socially and culturally required to give. But you have to also find a way to get some space from that if you possibly can. So that in those in those spaces you can go, w what's what's what's real to me? What do I really? And I think a lot of people just never get there because they don't get the space. And I also think people like now, especially speaker-1: People don't get what practice is. Aidan: comes to spiritual stuff. And that's the course that I'm teaching is is is called Building a Practice because it's about that, because it's this exact thing we're talking about. It's like if you sit down and do a particular kind of energy working once, you had an experience, but it doesn't do anything. 30, 40, 50, 100 times down the road, you changed your neurology. That's what practice does. It's And this is why, you know, people are super fascinated by spells and and rituals and sigils. They aren't great at that thing. They aren't the best to rewire what's going on up here. And coming from kind of an animist perspective, for most of us that aren't super psychic by nature, and a lot of us just don't get there, until you do some of that rewiring, you don't get contact with the other thing. speaker-1: Cool. Aidan: And that's what's really useful to me. So like I start everybody making offerings to allies. We don't care. That's number one. You don't need to know who they are now. You don't need to be who they are ever. It's like the assumption is if you're alive and you're you know old, you have them because this is not this is a sketchy planet for you know animals. And so we just run on that as a given and start trying to build that relationship. And that's kind of the first thing that I run, you know. speaker-1: It's like one. You know, In the Aidan: The funny thing about that is people will go, Well, I'm an animist, and I'm like, it doesn't matter. This is a language, a way you can view it is that this is a language that your kind of deep mind, your kind of deep self understands. It doesn't have anything to do with if you cut up a bowl of fruit and offer it to your allies with a candle every day. That's doing stuff in here. Even if you believe that all that's happening is just internal. The results are interestingly similar. speaker-1: whether you believe it. Arden: Yeah, I love what you also mentioned about how building a practice will change your neurology over time. And that for me has also been really huge, especially in the last few years. In my first several years of practicing magic, so much of my focus was on repatterning, on changing my beliefs. And I was maybe doing, you know. I would pull cards, I would divine, and I would cast a spell maybe every couple months for something that I needed. And I would get results from that. And often those spells, as I said, were on myself. And in the last few years, my circumstances changed in some ways in that I began really building things. And there were also some situations in my life that required more regular and intensive magic that I was tackling. And in doing this, I ended up with a practice that, you know, I still to this day maintain where I'm divining literally almost every day. And I know there are some occultists out there who will be like, ⁓ that's too much divination, but I'm in communication with my allies every and I'm I'm similar to you. I'm not psychic clairvoyant so much, but when I open up that space of divination, they'll give me messages right away. So as long as I'm sitting there at my table and got my cards and pendulum, I'll get those messages as long as I open that door. And the difference over time in the communication, the spirits that show up for me. And in my ability, I'm actually in many ways opening up my psychic development more than, you know, without even really trying a lot of traditional psychic development practices. ⁓ and and you know, and I do try and practice some of those, but it's almost like the communication becomes so much clearer. Then I'm almost hearing what I what they say. And then I just, you know, I just confirm it with my pendulum to make sure it's actually what they mean and not just an intrusive thought. So yeah, man, I so recommend folks that just doing things regularly, building that muscle. a friend of mine on Twitter, ⁓ Visa Convert Virasami used to say, do something a hundred times and then just see what the difference is between your first and your hundredth. Aidan: Yeah, you know, and that was one of the things I was really lucky on is there wasn't a lot of information out where I was. I didn't know a lot of people who practiced. And the first person that gave me a practice told me to do it twice a day for six months. That's I think really reasonable. And it's really tough for people to kind of wrap their heads around that. Like, you want me to do this like 350 times before we move on to the next thing? And it's like, yeah, like if I had control, yes. But I ended up doing variations of that for close to seven years. And there's no way that that didn't radically change me. You just can't. It's like practicing guitar. It's like you're gonna be better if you put in that many hours, you know. ⁓ it's just what happens. Yeah, for me it's interesting too. It's like one of the things that, you know, I'm a fantasy, so I don't have an internal screen. I can't visualize anything. So that's really tricky for a lot of the instructions for magic, because a lot of it's visual. And it took me a really long time. It took me up until Maybe like ten years ago before I realized that I was getting body stuff. Like I would tremble and shake and that would let me know that the allies were around. And it wasn't until about three years ago, hey, could we actually go really hard on this? Could you focus on making doing these body shakes and stuff? And that's become like my pendulum now. I don't use the pendulum anymore. speaker-1: where it was like Aidan: Because I can just kind of sit down and talk to them and I will kind of like shake when they're now shaking is is yes and like more shaking is more yes and less shaking is like you're warm but not right there and if you're still that's totally off base. And so I can't have a conversation with them now that way. That's very fast. And this is not a thing that's taught in any books on magic that I know, which is too bad, because we end up It kind of goes back to that conditioning thing, because so much of what we get about magic is visual, meaning that it's coming through visual media or visual descriptions. And then the people that can visualize, it's a really great tool for them. So they lean really heavy on it. I mean, I think A Fantasia was only really kind of recognized maybe ten or fifteen years ago. That like there's some of us that don't cannot do that. And so you gotta figure out how are they talking to you? Because they probably are. speaker-1: and Aidan: That's one of the things that I push people towards as well is like what if you don't have to learn something new to do, you have to notice what's already happening. That's one of the biggest keys that I've found that is really helpful for all of this stuff. Because people go like, ⁓ yeah, I have like these wild dreams that come true, but yeah, I just can't visualize, so I feel like I'm not getting anything done. It's like go to the dreams. Forget that thing you can't do, do the thing you can. And then ask them. speaker-1: visually open. ⁓ wait. Aidan: And again, it doesn't matter if you view that as I do as outside spirits, or if you view it as your deep mind or unconscious or whatever. Just say, hey, this works for me. Can we lean into this? Or can you be louder? Like this is one of the best things that I ever did was like, yeah, I was getting little hints at stuff and it was driving me batshit. I actually did a really consistent thing that anytime any would speaker-1: way. of that. Aidan: kick up, I would like louder. I'm really dense. Like loud. It got so loud that I was like, cool, can we back that off now? They get like subtle is not the way to go, you know with me. Arden: I love how transparent you are about aphantasia because I feel like in a lot of your books, especially in Changeling. So Changeling is a is another book of Aidens, you guys that that I've read that is really, really good. And especially in Changeling, you offer so many options for people who might not be able to visualize. And I'll say I am probably much more geared toward not quite Claire audience. And it's a bit like Claire cognizance, but it's like, It's verbal. I'll hear language, not necessarily hearing noise or even hearing the a voice, but the words will suddenly form. I have, you know, some visuals sometimes, and especially the more I do, the more it opens up. But yeah, I I I think that would actually be a great question to lead into next is for listeners out there who do have apantasia, what are some of the other channels or avenues that you recommend trying out? Aidan: So just because it's been such a huge one for me, try going into whatever you're doing ritually with no expectation, but pay attention to what happens. Cause like one of the ones that I got early on that I recognized is like it kind of made contact to whatever you want to call it that we're that we're interacting with ⁓ when we do magic. speaker-1: If I Aidan: Be pressure changes in my ears, like being in an airplane. And that was one of the first things that I recognized. Like, okay, so somebody's this something's shifted in the room into whatever those are. Realize that you can talk your way through every exercise that's ever been created and actually just speak out loud what you're doing. So like. speaker-1: What? In leaning. Aidan: If you're supposed to draw a pentagram in blue fire in front of you with your finger with a wand, state that that's what you're doing while you're doing it out loud. Like I am drawing a pentagram of blue fire in front of me. That's the same imaginative process as seeing it. And the effect is the same. And this is wild for a lot of people that are just like, and then it it doesn't work if you don't speak out loud, or it doesn't work nearly as well. But that's a huge one. I also the thing that I tell people is like, okay, we have this general kind of belief that the people that can see everything all the time are super kind of blessed and know what's up. And what if just for you, if that's a thing that you've played with and you've done, and I suggest everybody see if they can get there, because there's lots of good books out, like ⁓ Christopher Penzak, who you mentioned earlier, is Inner Temple of Witchcraft, has a lot of great exercises that will help you get there if you can do that thing. But if you can't. speaker-1: Every Aidan: Reframe that and go, okay, so why do I believe this person that basically like is hallucinating all the time is witnessing things that are real and not just making it up? And maybe that's not a desirable thing. Maybe I would rather have it come in a different way. Stuff that I started doing a real long time ago, probably within the first two years of I started practicing. So it's now 40 years of this. speaker-1: And I Aidan: Is go to the altar and talk to whatever you think you're talking to, whether that's yourself or your allies, and tell them what you're trying to do. Not in a ritualized state, but go in, light your candles, do whatever you do, do some breath work or whatever, and then just spill. Just start talking. Going like, hey, I would like to have better communication with my unconscious or with the spirits or with the allies or with the dead, whoever that is that you're trying to get in connect with. It would be really cool if we could figure out a way to do this and don't propose a pathway. Just put it like hand it to them and go like, Hey, you guys, this is the thing I want from you right now. And keep asking. And usually something kicks up. But you don't have to ever see anything. You don't have to ever hear anything. A lot of people will develop, I guess, what is clear cognizance. I have that in a weird form now where ⁓ yeah, this is the other piece that Everybody thinks what's gonna happen is gonna happen in the ritual. And I think that's just wrong. Like it's putting this really micro container on things that are usually really big. So you do the ritual, nothing happens, awesome. speaker-1: move on. Aidan: And if you keep doing that, what tends to happen is is whatever way you're going to get information starts to open up because you aren't kind of derailing the process when you're like not getting what you think you should be getting. So it's very frequently that I will ask at the altar and be like, hey, I would like this to be like this. And I don't expect anything a day, two days, two weeks, a month later, I know something that I didn't know. And it's not because I read it. speaker-1: And. Aidan: And it's not because I've been thinking about it. It's because whatever is this system that we call magic has gone, okay, here's your solution. Here's your answer to that thing that you you ask. And that's completely legit. And you can test it, right? It's like I'm not protesting in the sense that a lot of people are like, ⁓ I'm gonna do all these experiments to prove that magic works or doesn't. But see what happens if you act on that stuff. But go into it really lightly, not like this is a scientific experience. But if they say, ⁓ yeah, you should probably go to this place, go. You don't have to ask questions about it and see what happens. You know, all this stuff opens up, but it takes time and it takes relaxing more than it takes work and will, is what I would say. It takes practice and then relaxing. speaker-1: And. Relaxing. Arden: You bring up a really great point about asking for the things that you want to happen. And I know that for me, I've also been able to improve my practice by casting on my own abilities. Like just yesterday, which was a Monday, I cast my regular lunar divination spell, which I think I like once a quarter now just for maintenance. And it's for clear, strong pendulum swings, accurate card pulls on the first try, and you know, accurate, correct interpretations and to open up my spirit perception. And it has worked. Like you cast these over time and you keep building up and it will it will happen one way or another. And I also love what you shared about, because I've had that experience too, where you do the ritual and you're like, well, nothing, nothing really happened. I had that experience actually with an exercise that Grant gave me once. We were Grant and I, our our apprenticeship is is built on the Kabbalic tree of life, and we were in the sphere of yesod. So Grant assigns me meditate. On the dark side of the moon, like literally put on the Pink Floyd album and meditate, you know, do like a lunar meditation. And sure enough, I'm sitting there and I'm listening to the dark side of the moon, sitting on my bed. I've lit some, you know, jasmine incense or whatever. I'm like, all right, you know, what's what's going on? And nothing really happens. And I'm like, well, okay. And then before I fall asleep, I find myself somehow navigating, like for some reason, I I got I got the urge to look up. Glossolalia on YouTube. And I found this woman with a video and it's got like 50k views on it. Not of none of her other videos have a lot. And she's kind of like, she's like hanging out in a tent. She does not look like the most mentally stable person. She's like, I've been crying all day. Sorry, I look weird on video or whatever, but you know, here's the glossolalia, whatever. And I just like look, just and I followed her blog. She's got like a blog, so I click on it. I'm like, I wonder when's the last time this person wrote something. And I look and it's ⁓ today's date. Wow, she updated today. And another entry today's date. And another entry today's date. And another, and there's like five or six. I'm like, wow, this is this is every date has like, and she starts narrating these sort of internal like voices. She's hearing this, she's hearing that, and she's She's like, and I have these forces that are operating in me that are telling me to stalk this person. And I know I have to not listen to those forces. And I know that there's this over here telling me to do this. And I told this person, just block me because I'm not going to be able to control myself. And the amazing thing, Aiden, was that this reading through this blog and seeing these patterns and weirdly enough, recognizing some of my own neurodivergence and like her anxious attachment, her pattern recognition, things like that. And I was like, Like this could have been me if I'd just like taken that wrong turn at Albuquerque, kind of a thing. And that was the beginning of my foundational knowledge that allowed me to later understand DID, dissociative dis identity disorder. And it was and nothing happened during the meditation, but immediately afterward, I found that, yeah. So I'm a hundred percent on board with that. That's just from my mind to be in that story. speaker-1: It's. Aidan: Super interesting because I think that a lot of people come to magic because they're aware that we're told we should want and and and kind of the general experience of life is pretty hollow. But I don't know that a lot of magic is really kind of addressing this stuff. It's why I've kind of been to the side of most things most of my life. ⁓ you know, I've connected with different groups briefly at different times, but I've never been able to maintain it because I've always been very interested about. speaker-1: What were? lot of Aidan: Not in the kind of conspiracy what's really going on thing, but like how do I need to be in the world so that I'm fully well? Regardless of what's being offered. speaker-1: What is? Aidan: That and magic has helped me get there more than anything else. But for me to let that happen, I had to not care what other people said it was for. And so, like, people are like, Well, what's your definition of magic? It's like, I don't really have one. I can make one up for you. That's it's not really about that. And I think that if we look at stuff like DID at ⁓ speaker-1: You know? And I've Aidan: When I was in when I was young, like kind of fifteen to eighteen, I had a couple of really severe drug experiences that had me in in similar states. And they were really useful because they showed me where I could go. And I had enough kind of consciousness, even in the experience, to be like, wow, this is really wild. Like I'm really out of control here. This is available. Right, this is a thing that can just happen. And yes, I did things that to to make this happen and hopefully it will stop in a day or two. Other people that just happens. And it gave me a lot of compassion for the folks that I knew that were having a much ro rougher ride. And so looking at kind of weaving fate, weaving fate is really playing with this idea of, yeah, what's the core story that you're attached to? Or what is the core speaker-1: in period now. But other than I'm going word. You know? Aidan: family stories or whatever. And are they working for you? And not even from the point of view of then let's go interrogate it. It's like not about the psychological approach. It's like, okay, what would speaker-1: What would? Aidan: good life look like for you. And don't get weird about it. Don't get like crazy about it all has to be perfect. Or if I ask for the things I want, my grandmother will die or whatever. There's all this anti-magic mythology, even within folklore and magic. That is is is, I believe, social control. I think every bit of that is social control. And it that's not to say that you can't do some damage with magic, because you can't speaker-1: ⁓ in all of that. Aidan: You know what I tell folks that a that come into kind of my zone bring that up. It's like, have you ever tried like walking outside? Like that shit's dangerous. Like it's way more dangerous than magic. You know, people are or driving, like, Jesus, you know. Worry about that. Don't worry about if asking for what you you need is gonna cause somebody else to have a really tragic end. It's like it's not it the world's not built like that. Arden: Yeah. ⁓ one of my ⁓ one of my musical collaborators who is not a magical person but has I've done some magic for him. He's seen some results from me. It's sort of expanded his mind. But he said to me, like, ⁓ I don't I don't want to do magic because you know, I al I've seen the movies and it always like turns out bad. I'm like, Okay, well in that case I've seen movies too, and I'm not getting in your car with you. They always crash. Aidan: Well and that's also it's funny because it's like it's one of the things that I ha that ⁓ for folks that don't know, ⁓ Weaving Fade is kind of a a journaled approach to hyper sigils, which is something that you've talked about with ⁓ Grant. And so I kind of came up with this particular because of ⁓ I didn't know about kind of Grant's experience with them at the time. I found that out much, much later. The people that I knew who were writing fiction as as that Arden: I was gonna say we we've gotta talk about hyper sigils. speaker-1: iteration Aidan: Kept trying to write stuff that was exciting. And that's good. Like usually that's bad. You ⁓ you write about, you know, tragedies and overcoming tragedies. Well, then you're like asking for the tragedy to overcome, right? Do you want that? And so the journaling thing is is usually a much easier way. And so the black book is really this journal about allowing yourself to like ritually fantasize about a perfect day. speaker-1: So Aidan: A perfect future, a perfect life, yourself way less fucked up, ⁓ yourself way happier, and actually treating it as a magical act and as an enchantment. speaker-1: And, ⁓ Aidan: doing other stuff that helps that along. It's weirdly effective. It really is. It's ⁓ I think it's a fascinating thing to have have put out there because kind of a huge number of people have reached out. Like maybe a couple hundred people have reached out since Weaving Fate came out and said, I read this book and basically thought this guy's like repackaging the secret. And I put it away for like three years until things got really bad. And then I actually did what you said and I did all three parts of it. speaker-1: It. Aidan: And holy fuck. And it's like, yeah. speaker-1: Yep. Aidan: That that that is how it seems to be. And that's a big part of I think your work too, as far as I understand it, which I think may be tough for people to get. It's like it clicks when it clicks, which is what you expect to happen and what you believe is possible either in the world or for yourself, are like hard rails that keep you within that reality. And I'm not kind of going full-on reality transurfing stuff. Like I'm not talking about like we're gonna somehow jump tracks into a different reality 'cause most people I don't think will ever do that. I'm not saying it's impossible. speaker-1: But I do know that you are. Aidan: But if you actually believe that you're like doomed to repeat your parents' life or the last ten years of your own. speaker-1: You probably will. Arden: Yeah. Aidan: And so you better get on it. And so Weaving Fade is really ⁓ the book about my approach to getting control of that thing and going, No, we're not doing that that way. We can see that trajectory and no. You know. And I think it's fun too. It's a fun process, which always speaker-1: Good. Arden: ⁓ absolutely. And I I have my black book sitting right there over there on the shelf. And I will I will Yep. I will also confirm just it works. Just, you know, just d do it, do it, and it works. But I I do want to come from another side of the coin though, regarding, you know, because I have my band Arden and the Wolves and I write, you know, I I I use my music as a way of hyper sigilizing of transmuting reality. And my feeling about writing about tragedy is speaker-1: you Arden: It's really important to, especially as an artist, you really want to make sure that you don't get into a loop where you're rewarded with audience attention for your pain. And then so you seek more pain out. But my feeling on this is there is enough pain in the world already. I can take pain that is already out there and I can transmute it. And that's that's what I most hope to do. And I think You know, also my own neurodivergence, my ADHD, my dopamine deficiency. I'm really into problem solving. There's just, you know, that engages me. And so there are things that in my own life or in the lives of my loved ones that I've looked at, you know, looking at and I remember actually like when you were ⁓ when you were in my advanced container, like, ⁓ god, it was w ⁓ you recommended feeding your demons. That was it. And ⁓ that was I have to tell you, by the way, that was so that really helped ⁓ set me up. with a practice that was really, really helpful for that particular situation. And I've used a lot, so I was, you know, just for for people who don't know, because they weren't there when Aiden and I were talking in that in that class. I was basically, you know, I I'd had a loved one make a a cry for help to me and ⁓ and I was looking to sort of get them out of a a ⁓ really difficult cycle and situation that they were stuck in and which was kind of ⁓ a really, really stuck situation because coping coping mechanisms like Denial and avoidance are coping mechanisms. And often like we use those as a way of avoiding the pain because it's actually too difficult to go into. So you have to somehow create safety enough to even go there before you can, you know, and getting someone to to even kind of show up for that can be very difficult that that the trauma is that extreme. So yeah, I've and I've used my music in a lot of ways to write happy endings to existing tragedies. Cause I'm like, there's enough. There's enough in the world already, you know, you might as well. Aidan: I think that that's the a really great use for it. And that's kind of where I go even with the black book stuff, is it's like there's a lot of work in the corridor and in the black book that kind of addresses this, which is it's like you and so for people ⁓ what the part of this process is it's is it was ⁓ me coming up with a method to process trauma that I had without ⁓ without knowing about other any anything else that would help. And so part of it is actually kind of revisiting your previous self at kind of critical junctures where things went really fucking south. And either like coming in when somebody should have stood up for you and kind of you imagine yourself walking into that space and standing up for your previous self. Or if it's something that's ⁓ that makes sense, you kind of have to figure out what makes sense for you. Maybe something bad happens to that person and which is you, and you know that if you'd gotten a particular kind of support, maybe it wouldn't have had as much downstream effects. And so it's going back and really kind of putting yourself in that space in your imagination and going, hey, that was fucked up, but we're okay. And so you can let it go. I would like some of it. Like, let me have have all that shit you're hanging on to right now. Because I know how to process it. speaker-1: You know? Aidan: And so I think that you can transmute so much stuff. And that that's again, I think we have like kind of a a pretty big disservice has happened around magic being overly focused on either kind of mm, kind of individual, kind of solar, I am the center of the universe magic or kind of like really like almost clinical results magic instead of what I'm interested in, which is like, can I make everything work better? speaker-1: What? Yes. Aidan: I d I I don't I don't I don't just want to go in and kind of put out fires or see if I can ⁓ you know get the next five thousand dollars that I need because my car blew up. Can I make it so that this is never an issue again? ⁓ or as close as I can get. Or when it kicks up, I'm just cool with it. Like, yeah, shit happens. Let's fix it, you know. And magic is great for all this stuff. It's just about changing what the target is. speaker-1: because Aidan: And so I love what you what you shared about that too, because at some point I I I stopped focusing the work outside and and turned it on myself, ⁓ as you described. And that's when everything started way better. You go like, okay, this is a pretty good technology for getting stuff done in in the outer world, but it's a fantastic technology for doing stuff on the inside. Arden: Actually, I want to talk about the corridor as well because the corridor exercise that was another thing that when I read it, I was like, that is almost again in the same way that like there is that same sort of tuning fork, true ring of like truth. Like it all feels, you know, very similar to one another. It was so almost functionally identical to. ⁓ I'm pointing to my certification on the wall back here to my timeline therapy certification, which is so fun. That was like part of my neurolinguistic programming certification. But I read the card, I was like, this is this again, it's a more right brained, you know, more story based orientation to what I do in timeline therapy, which is, you know, you go back to that moment that the pattern set, that the trauma happened, or whatever incident or event happened, and you give yourself the support you need, and you, you know. You walk yourself through that or you walk the client through that or what so I would love for you to share with our listeners a little bit about how to do the correator exercise because I think it's so great that people can do that on their own as well. Aidan: So the corridor just happened. It's something that happened one day. I basically learned how to trance because I was an insomniac. And I was like, okay, if I'm awake from three o'clock until I go to work every night or go to work in the morning, I'm just gonna do deep relaxation. Because that way I will actually be functional, right? And from that process, I learned how to trance. And in trance speaker-1: Yeah. Remember it was one. Aidan: One night, I don't remember when, though, and I was super relaxed and something some really fucked up event that had happened in my life popped into my head. And I was like, ⁓ I wonder if I could go there. And so I visualized this corridor, and it was just like an office hallway, like an office building hallway with doors on either side. I was just walking down this thing for a long time. It felt for like speaker-1: Yeah ⁓ My hair... Aidan: 10 minutes or something, door after door. And I was just waiting for the door that led to that event. And I got a hit that like this one. And I walked in, and I like walked in as like the camera observer of the event, watched that whole thing go down, and kind of had my thoughts about it. speaker-1: That And then. Aidan: That kind of it kind of just stopped or faded out. I don't remember exactly. But I wonder if I can actually engage with that part of me, which is really the memory of the event, kind of the trauma memory of that event. And so I left the room and came back in and stopped it and was like, okay, you I want to talk to. That asshole is not involved. And got this completely engaged. much younger version of myself, like, what the fuck is going on? And me going like, you and I were the same thing. That guy's fucking unhinged. And you don't listen to a fucking word he has to say. And fuck him. And you're awesome. And and this ended up being a process where I began going into that corridor. speaker-1: done. and earlier month plan. Aidan: Finding early moments and I didn't. It's like I would go in, find the door and walk in, and I would be like, ⁓ shit, this is one of the things that like really stuck. Like I didn't know. You know, it's not like I went, ⁓ this event must have fucked me up. That's not how it went. I was very much running intuitively. The biggest thing that I found was that that either like shutting down the other person involved, if there was somebody else involved immediately, or otherwise, just like Arden: Wow. Aidan: This is what you're looking for, and you will find, but it's not right here. And so it's not a good place to look. You know, I'm around, I'm available. And so there were several years where there was a lot of corridor work going on in my life as I because it w it became that kind of thing where I it I had a sense that like my younger self was calling me now. Like it knew, it remembered, it ingrained in that this was reality. speaker-1: it. But ⁓ Aidan: would call me and we were usually outside somewhere and be like, I don't know about this. That's when I realized that like, ⁓ some other with shit we could do here. Like, do you want to know how to do magic? Like I learned how to do magic, but you could know now. Like you don't have to wait till you're you're older. Like, do you want to know how to do sigils? ⁓ do you want to do you want to learn how to do some shit? And I began teaching myself magic in that space. speaker-1: and know what to do about it. some Aidan: I think it was ⁓ to me it's it's it's it's super useful work. And I think it's the most beautiful work that I've done magically because it was just one hundred percent like what's needed here. ⁓ it it's very rare we actually get to do what's needed in a situation. And so to me, like discovering that I could actually go back and actually have real effects from that, because that's one of the things that's so weird about it that's speaker-1: And then. the Aidan: Hard for people to grasp is the as they go, okay, but how do you know that it worked? And in some cases, what I discovered was like what the effects of doing these corrections would be or or teaching this person magic. speaker-1: wouldn't know. But then, like. Aidan: I would be in a situation where somebody would push all of my buttons that would just wreck me. Nothing happened. And it's like, ⁓ okay. That's all from these things that I've been changing. It's fascinating work. And that's why I also said I think Weaving Fade is is my best book, practically. I think it's the most useful book. But I think view it as fun. Like find the fun in the process and let it just play out. Because it's like it it's fascinating what happens. Yeah, it's it's ⁓ I I've been saying for a couple years now that I'm functionally living a life that is like ⁓ it's like if we were to go into Grant Morrison territory. ⁓ if we're gonna go into like comic book territory, you have like the story of this is the one life, right? And then there's another one that's really close but better. I'm living a black book that I wrote years ago. I can see it. speaker-1: And I. Like I'm. and I Aidan: And it's not exactly the same. So that's why I tell people like you don't have to be precise. This isn't a precision act. It's like get all the feelings right. And I basically for about three years now have been operating within that. And it's like, okay, this was all all of that work in the corridor and the black book. And things just work now. Arden: The other really cool thing too, and I think you mentioned this in Weaving Fate is that there were instances in which you went back and altered an event on your timeline and the memories in other people's minds were altered in the same way. I wanted to share with you because I I'm having on on the same season of this podcast, I've invited Mitch Horowitz on as well. So I just recently read his book, Daydream Believer, and he talks about doing this at least something very similar. And where he gave a speech, a presentation that he didn't feel was quite his best. So, like, I'm gonna go back, I'm gonna choose something that's fairly low stakes. I'm just gonna imagine that I gave a really great and he said, as soon as he did that, they posted the speech online. People in the comments were like, ⁓ my god, this was fascinating. He said it this was unprecedented. The folks who hired him sent him flowers afterwards. He said no one had ever done that after any of his other speeches. I just find that fascinating. Aidan: The weirdest thing because it's the weirdest thing because what happened with that was ⁓ I had changed something that happened back I was already out of high school because I left high school early, but I was still living kind of in my neighborhood. It was before I moved to the city. And some shit went down that I didn't feel good about. And so I changed it. And there were other people involved, and so I corridored it and changed it. A friend of mine was performing in San Francisco. I was living in I think New Mexico at that time. speaker-1: I I'm. Yeah, that... And, ⁓ Aidan: Maybe Seattle, I don't know. Probably Seattle. And so I I've I I flew down and opened and I was at the bar and someone came up to me and started telling me, like, hey, do you remember when this happened? Like the fucking the truth chills before they opened their mouth. And I was like, Holy fuck. And they fucking described something that I know is not what they experienced, but it is what I changed. speaker-1: ⁓ and for him. And I got like. Aidan: that in the corridor to be. What that is, I don't know. It's fucking fascinating though. speaker-1: It really is. Arden: Well, I want to bring on our producer Tomi to ask her question as well because I know we're we're getting to we're we're getting around the hour. So Tomi, take it ⁓ away. Aidan: Yeah, so Aiden, I know that you also come from a chaos magic background and that like Grant Morrison's work, like for so many of us, was one of your many gateways into this world. And I also know that that's not really a term you identify with anymore. And I was curious if you could tell us a bit about like what that moment was for you when like what the last straw was where you realized that like this was no longer a term you quite associated with or wanted to identify with with your practice. Yeah. ⁓ great question. My best guess, I like I know what what what what my thinking was, but I'm not sure exactly when it happened, is I think I just like hit a point where I'm like, I don't actually think what's being described here is as close to what I think reality is. Just speaker-1: I don't. which is. Aidan: kind of this raw animist field. And I could see that a lot of the ideas in Chaos Magic were initially useful for me, but I diverged from them pretty rapidly. ⁓ in particular I got super massively turned off with kind of the shift into kind of ⁓ humorously I didn't get into Morrison until much later, but kind of the shift into pop magic and Discordianism kind of rolling into Chaos Magic, and I had no use for it. Because by that point I was already like, ⁓ this is way more serious than people thought. this magic thing. And I was only interested in it on that level. I wasn't interested in the the other stuff. And so to me it just became kind of it ceased to be accurate. I hadn't really discovered the idea of animism. speaker-1: yet but Aidan: There was a point where I'm like, I'm not doing what people think I'm doing. And so I'm gonna stop using that word. I began to find also that like every other label I've ever found, I just found that it was it was more of a bind than it was a release from binds, and I don't have any use for that. So like I don't really have a self definition for what I do other than Animist at this point. I use them and I make them up. Like I think I've been using which thing in my bio for like speaker-1: like, you know. Aidan: a few years now and I like that. They're also kind of short lived because I don't really they're not mostly not accurate. Whereas the animist piece, that's accurate. One of the things that I say a lot now is that I used to be a magical practitioner kind of working within an animist model. Then at some point that ceased to be a model for me. And now I'm an animist who teaches through magic more than I teach magic. speaker-1: with. You're right. Aidan: I do, but my subtext is not that you get better at magic. Exactly. I I want something for the world that's different than that. Interesting. Yeah. I've not heard many accounts of people that have stepped away from chaos magic yet. So I really appreciate you sharing that insight of like where it stopped mesh with your worldview and your view of magic. Yeah, it actually kind of happened it happened even when I was still in the IoT a million years ago. speaker-1: Hmm. Aidan: And then we formed the Z cluster after I left. ⁓ me and my friend Merrick did. And it was I would say that the the big dividing line for me was I like lost kind of all kind of interest in the kind of like we could do this with these pop culture figures. And I'm like, why the fuck would you do that when the reality is right there? Like it's palpable. These things are right there, they're ready to go, they are real. Why do you need to put a different face on it to make yourself comfortable? It didn't make sense to me. speaker-1: you Aidan: I'd rather be uncomfortable and be as close to the source as I can. I imagine that's something that a lot of people see as like a point of accessibility for it, or like maybe it's just yeah, the fun, the pop magic of it all getting to put your favorite characters into these frameworks. But yeah, I feel like that yeah only works as like a first stepping stone and like it'd that'd be weirder for someone that's been in this for a while to then go like, Hey, let's use this. I don't speaker-1: can. Aidan: the superhero or this pop star or the game of thing hunters. And one of the things that I've talked about in a lot of different places that that this is related to is that I came to magic because I had experiences with spirits that were unquestionably that. And so I didn't come looking for spirit contact or proof of a spirit world. I came to figure out how you fucking lived with one, which was way different. And it was one of the first divisions I kind of made was There were a lot of folks that were kind of like, ⁓ is it results magic? Are you willing to curse people? All that. And I was like, none of this is relevant. It's like, are you doing this because you know? Or are you doing this because you want to find out? I knew. I just didn't know how to manage it. And so that was another big dividing line. That's still probably my biggest dividing line, because that's those are the two divisions. There's there's people who come to this stuff because they think there's something there that could help them. And then there's the folks that come to it because they have to. Because it's already there for them and they have to come up with the tools to work with it appropriately or it's gonna eat ⁓ eat their lunch, you know? Thank you. That I think that gives me exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for the question. That's a good one. Arden: Well, thank you so much for joining us today, Aiden. It is always such a pleasure to chat with you. I know you and me are two of the folks who are in the magic scene who are the most vocal, I think, about hyper sigils, you, me, and Grant. I'm a pleasure to have you on and to chat about this. And by the way, you guys, if you want to check out more of Aiden's work, if you want to learn from him, you can go and support him on Patreon, patreon.com slash Aiden Wachter. ⁓ And course, check out his three books. Weaving Fate, Six Ways and Changeling. 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