Ashley: Welcome to Running on Empty, the podcast with the goal to get you out the door and running, even when you're running on empty. I'm your host, Ashley Kahart.

Kamile: And I'm your co host Camilla Randall. And we are very excited this week to talk about race day. It just happened. We want to do a debrief about

Ashley: And we are very excited this week to talk about race day. It just happened. We want to do a debrief about how it went, everything that came up through the week, and how our races turned out.

Kamile: And how our races turned out. Yeah, we did a big announcement on Instagram, like a like a teaser. And now you get to find out what actually happened. Doesn't matter.

Ashley: Mm. And now it's a few weeks later, but that's okay. But we're gonna share everything that went on. So

Kamile: So

Ashley: we had Vilnius Marathon last Sunday. but there were multiple races. There was the marathon, there was a half marathon, a ten K, a five K. I think there was even like a two K for kids. So there's lots and lots of runs and they had tons of people this year. I think we had over fifteen thousand people running.

Kamile: there was even like a two K for kids. Yeah yeah. There's lots and lots of runs and they had tons of people this year. I think they had over fifteen thousand people running. Yeah, and I think the half marathon distance was the like the most populated one. And then the next the next one was the five K and I think it was three thousand more people in the five K, like three thousand plus people in the five K and then similar in the half marathon.

Ashley: Yeah. next one was the five K. And I think it was three thousand more people in the five K? Like three thousand plus people in the five K and then similar in the half K. No, I heard one I was waiting for you because Camilla ran the five K. They

Kamile: Okay.

Ashley: said over four thousand people ran the five K. Okay. So but yeah, but

Kamile: Okay. Okay.

Ashley: the half 'cause I wanna I did the half and the bibs like the colors of the bibs like so you would know

Kamile: Bibs, like the colours of the bibs, like so you would know.

Ashley: you were pink if you were half and you were orange if you were full and it was mostly pink. So I think the half marathon is really becoming the big race in Vilnius.

Kamile: So the half marathon the big race in Venus. Well, this year they changed the track because it used to be you have to go up Tover Hill, which is not a big, big, big hill, but it's it when you're doing a marathon or half marathon, it's very significant and people used to complain about it a lot because that's a hard effort. And then this year bec I don't know b why, maybe because they finally listened to to their runners, but it also could be because there's roadworks on the hill. They removed it and the track was actually a fast track.

Ashley: Big big big hill, but it's it's when you're doing a marathon or half marathon it's very significant and people used to complain about it a lot because it's hard effort. And then this year bec I don't know b why, maybe because they finally listened to to their runners, but it also could be because there's roads on the hill. They removed it and the track was actually a fast track. a friend of mine, he ran a marathon and he said like it was a very fast track, but he did run a good half marathon and not a good marathon.

Kamile: a friend of mine, he ran a marathon and he said like it was a very fast track but he did run a good half marathon and not a good marathon.

Ashley: Well, that's very common. We talked about that before. It's so easy to

Kamile: Yeah.

Ashley: do a really good half and then kind of fall off afterwards. But yeah, but the thing is too, in Vilnius, the marathon is a loop. So you're gonna have to do it twice. So if that's not your thing, you might not want to run it. Like myself, I'm not really a fan of that idea of doing a loop. I asked I asked one of my neighbors actually who ran it and he he didn't mind because he felt like after he did the loop once he knew what he was getting into for the second half, which was like helped him mentally.

Kamile: Yeah, but the thing is too, and Daniel is the marathon is a loop, so you're gonna have to do it twice. So if that's not your thing, you might not want to run it like myself. I'm not really a fan of that idea of doing a loop. Yeah. I asked I asked one of my neighbors actually who ran it and he he didn't mind because he felt like after he did the loop once he knew what he was getting into for the second half, which was like helped him mentally. But can also sometimes hold you down.

Ashley: But can also sometimes hold you down.

Kamile: Yeah, well I did a loop denke one like a couple of years ago. And I didn't like the idea before I did it, but when I actually did it, I loved it because h somehow like novelty when you run, it's nice because like it gets to you not so boring, but also it exhausts your brain. It takes energy from you. So when I was doing the first loop, I'm looking at everything, trying to understand what what's coming next. And the second time, you know how much is left, you know where you are at what point, you know what's coming next, if there's a hill, if there's some gravel or whatever. And it was a lot easier to do the second loop fast bec just because you you didn't have any cognitive load. So so it could be helpful, could be

Ashley: gets you not so boring. But also it exhausts your brain. It takes energy from you. So when I was doing the first loop I'm looking at everything, trying to understand what what's coming next. And the second time you know how much is left, you know where you are at what point, you know what's coming next. If there's a hill, if there's some gravel or whatever. And it was a lot easier to do the second loop fast bec just because you didn't have any cognitive load. So it could be helpful, it could be not so not so fun.

Kamile: Not so not so fun, maybe.

Ashley: Also too, I think that relates to how I was for me because These were the streets I'm used to. So I knew exactly what was coming no matter where the race course went. I'm used to it. Like, okay, we're going down this street or we're going into this park. I'd run it before. I'm I'm aware of the hills, the the way the road curves, all those different things. So too, that's really important. If you are thinking about running like one of your first races,

Kamile: streets I'm used to so I knew exactly what was coming no matter where the race course went. I'm used to it like okay we're going down this street or we're going into this park. I'd run it before I'm I'm aware of the hills, the the way the road curves, all those different things. So too that's really important if you are thinking about running like one of your first races

Ashley: that can be a plus to doing it locally as opposed to going somewhere else.

Kamile: That can be a plus to doing it locally as opposed to going somewhere else. But again, there's like good and bad points to both sides, whether you do the race at home or or in an

Ashley: But again, there's like good and bad points to both sides, whether you do the race at home or or in another city. So let's talk about what we did. So, like I said, I did the half and you did a 5k. You know what I think is really interesting is that I talked to a few people on the day of the race because mine was in the morning, yours was in the afternoon, and I came back to cheer you on for the 5k. And people were saying, Why is Camilla running a 5K? And I think that's

Kamile: city. So let's talk about what we did. So like I said I did the half and you did a 5K. You know what I think is really interesting is that I talked to a few people on the day of the race because mine was in the morning, yours in the afternoon and I came back to cheer you on for the 5k and people were saying why is communion really have 5k and I think

Ashley: Really interesting because that goes to show how many people think

Kamile: really interesting because that goes to show how many people think

Ashley: that five K's are only for entry level runners. But

Kamile: entry level run. I got that comment a lot. Like when people people knew I'm gonna run in the Venus Marathon a l and like coworkers and stuff and they were l all like, So you're doing a half, right? Or you're doing a ten K at least, right? I'm like, Nope, I'm doing a five K

Ashley: Yeah, so people think it's like an entry level, but so this is kind of a note. If you want, you can always just raise five Ks, it's fine. And this five K know if I can compare

Kamile: And this five K, I don't know if I can compare it to the marathon, but counting out the marathon, it was the hardest run I've ever done. It was the hardest race, like not run, race I've ever done. And

Ashley: Yeah. It was the hardest race, like not run race I've ever done. And

Kamile: I don't think it's only entry level. It was because because it's not long, but you push at your highest effort and that's horrible. It's so so hard.

Ashley: Because it's not long, but you push at your highest effort and that's horrible. It's so so hard. Yeah, so that's a that's a question that we often hear from people. You say, Would you rather run a marathon or five K? I would definitely rather run a marathon.

Kamile: Same.

Ashley: 'Cause it's like all out the entire time. Because in a marathon there's ebbs and flows and you can actually walk if you need to. No, five K you've gotta you just push to the absolute limit.

Kamile: I mean, if it's your first five K, you're fine to walk, or not even the first, even if that's what you're aiming for. But yeah, like because I was training for the five K to get faster and to get some speed into my my legs and to lift my heart limits higher so I I I went to push. I didn't I didn't at one point I was like I I really wanna walk but

Ashley: your first five K fine to walk or not even the first, even if that's what I think were. But yeah, like because I training for the five K to get faster and to get some speed into my my legs and to lift my heart limits higher so I I I went to push. I mean I didn't at one point I like I w I really wanna walk

Kamile: I didn't do it.

Ashley: But So let's go back then first. So let's talk about that week up until five K. So you talked about in a previous episode in planning that you were worried about being sick and how that might balance out and not pushing yourself too hard. So how did you feel going into the final week?

Kamile: So I felt a little weird because one day I would feel better and like not sick at all. And then the next day I wake up w wake up and then my skin hurts again and my body feels sore without working out. Just I definitely still had like the after effects of the of the sickness and I still do I think a little bit because the week after the like running the five K and then like after that I didn't rest enough, I think, and then I still feel it. So I felt a little sick and also ha I was supposed to do what

Ashley: Yeah.

Kamile: like an interval run on Wednesday because the race was on Sunday. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but I didn't do it because I had

Ashley: Before the race, like as your last push. Yeah, but I didn't do it because I had

Kamile: I went to the f functional fitness class and then I ran on the treadmill there

Ashley: class and then I ran on the treadmill there

Kamile: in one of the one of the assignments. And it wasn't a long run. I think it was two kilometers in total. But like that's what I did and I was like I don't have any more energy and then Thursday I couldn't do it and then Friday it would have been too late. So I was just I didn't do my last run. so the week coming into I felt not the best.

Ashley: assignments and it wasn't a long run, I think it was two kilometers in total, but like that's what I did and I was like I don't have any more energy and then Thursday I couldn't do it and then Friday it would have been too late so I was just I didn't do my last run. so the week coming into I felt not the best. I didn't do the writing was supposed to do and I but I did eat well, like I did eat a lot of carbs even though you're not supposed to you don't need to carbon for a five K but I still was like, well it's an opportunity. I'll do it

Kamile: I didn't do the running I was supposed to do and I but I did eat well. Like I did eat a lot of carbs, even though you're not supposed to you don't need to carbload for a five K but I still was like, Well, it's an opportunity, I'll do it.

Ashley: And so your what was your goal originally? What what were you trying to achieve in the five K? So my original five K

Kamile: So my original five K reason and goal was sub twenty-five. at the like two weeks, three weeks before the race, because that was before I got sick, I thought I could do maybe a sub twenty-four, like twenty-three something, because I did a a time trial for two miles and I could run at four thirty pace fine at for two miles. So I was like, Okay, so it's feasible to like run a little faster than sub twenty-five. So maybe sub twenty-four.

Ashley: three weeks before race, because that was before I got sick, I thought I could do maybe a sub twenty four, a twenty three something, because I did a a for two miles and I could run at four thirty pace fine and for two miles. So I was like, okay, it's feasible to like run a little faster than sub twenty five. So maybe sub twenty four. But after being sick I was like, hmm, I don't know if I can do sub twenty five, I don't know if I can do sub twenty

Kamile: But after being sick I was like, Mm, I don't know if I can do sub twenty five. I don't know if I can do sub twenty six at this point because I'm I was sick.

Ashley: six I was sick. And what was prior to the race, what was your fastest five K? five twenty five. Twenty five twenty five.

Kamile: Twenty five, twenty five.

Ashley: Wow okay but that's that's a big difference because you know I think it's important for people to remember that the shorter the run, the more significance a few seconds has. So taking twenty five seconds off is quite a bit. but you thought you could might even do like a minute. Yeah.

Kamile: significance a few seconds has. So taking off is quite a bit. Yeah, and you couldn't already even do like a minute. Yeah, we because of my fitness level at that point. And also like the twenty five twenty five was in February. Like w when I was getting yeah, when I was getting ready

Ashley: Okay, so it's been a while.

Kamile: for the marathon and then I had like a little burke after that. But then I got a iron infusion and then my VO2 max went through the roof. And I was like, yeah, I can definitely do this. Like I was before I got sick I was one hundred percent sure I can do it.

Ashley: And I was like, Yeah, I can definitely do this. Like I was before I got sick I was than a hundred percent sure I can do it and probably faster than I want. And then after I got sick I like, Yeah, well that goes out the door now. Yeah, how about you though? how was your week leading into your

Kamile: And probably faster than I want. And then after I got sick I like, Yeah, well that goes out the door now. We'll see what happens. How about you though? how was your week leading into your half marathon? Because Ashley ran a half marathon.

Ashley: Yeah, I mean, okay. I was feeling pretty good going into the last week. I had just a couple easy runs. I normally run the five days a week and I was gonna run maybe like three days that week. I also cut out strength training. I think I mentioned that in the strength training episode that like right before a major race

Kamile: training. I think I mentioned that in the strength training episode that like right before a a major race you know you can probably stop for two weeks. You won't lose the strength that you have in that short period of time, but you want to have

Ashley: you know, you can probably stop for two weeks. You won't lose the strength that you have in that short period of time, but you wanna have you want your muscles to be the least amount of fatigued that they can be. I thought, okay, good, like I'm feeling okay.

Kamile: You want your muscles to be the least amount of fatigued that they I thought, okay, good, like I'm feeling okay. but I have a lot of outside stress going on. dealing with like interviews with jobs and things like that. There's a lot of that going on. but I wasn't doing massive carbloading, aka I was eating know, stress eating maybe but I saying, it's okay if if

Ashley: but I had a lot of outside stress going on. dealing with like interviews with jobs and things like that. There's a lot of that going on. but I wasn't doing massive carb loading, aka I was eating so much sugar. I don't know, stress eating maybe. but I was saying, Yeah, it's okay if if your carbs come from cake. Like you're gonna run a half marathon, so

Kamile: Carbloading is carb loading. I mean it's probably better for overall health if they come from pasta and rice and such carbs. But like if you were to stress eat, I think the week before your half marathon is the best time.

Ashley: Yeah. But to stress eat, I think the week before your happy marathon is the best time. Yeah, like it's okay. So it w it wasn't it wasn't terrible. but that meant too that since I had like stress from other things and I had a lot of sugar in my body, I just felt like my body had a lot of junk inside it. it's not like a moral statement about eating sugar. It just felt like I just felt heavy in a way.

Kamile: But that happens with carb loading though, right? You know, because

Ashley: Yeah.

Kamile: yeah, glycogen stores in your muscles and it absorbs water around it so like you get heavier of because of carb loading. Yeah.

Ashley: Yeah, and I just felt like I mean I felt like that before too and when you car bloat in those last few days, like you just feel like this extra energy

Kamile: you carbload in those last few days, like you just feel like this extra energy

Ashley: is in your body because normally you would let it out with these longer runs. Now you can't let it out and you're I mean the that's the point. You're supposed to be building it up, So I went for I went for like an easy run on Wednesday and I I wrote on my Strava, oops, I went too fast.

Kamile: can't let it out and you're I mean the that's the point. You're supposed to be building it up So I went for I went for like an easy run on Wednesday and I I go to my Strava oops, I went too fast.

Ashley: But it just felt good and I was happy. And

Kamile: It just felt good and I was happy. And then I went on a shake out run the day before on Saturday. So I learned for myself that the day before a race I really should do the shakeout run. Some people don't, they have it a couple of days earlier. I find for me that I really need to get my muscles moving a little bit before. So I went for the shakeout run and it felt like I was releasing all that junk.

Ashley: then I went on a shakeout run the day before on Saturday. So I learned from myself that the day before a race I really should do the shakeout run. Some people don't. they have it a couple days earlier. I find for me that I really need to get my muscles moving a little bit before. So I went for the shakeout run and it felt like I was releasing all that junk. And I made myself go slow.

Kamile: And I made myself go slow. I listened to podcasts because I found that when I listen to podcasts I run slower than when listen to music.

Ashley: I listen to a podcast because I found that when I listen to podcasts I run slower than when I listen to music.

Kamile: Same, same.

Ashley: So it was good. Like I I I felt healthy. But since I'd had all this kind of mental junk as well, I thought about like,

Kamile: So it was good, like I I felt healthy. But I since I'd had all this kind of mental junk as well, I thought about like

Ashley: well, I don't know if I'm gonna hit my goal on Sunday, like let's just see because people don't know this, but I didn't actually sign up for the half marathon till three days before.

Kamile: Let's just see because don't know this, but I didn't actually sign up for those. Yeah. Well I was con trying to convince you actually just to run without the beer because who cares? No, I have the chip time.

Ashley: And I said, No, I need the chip time. Like the chip is God. been better off without the chip. Nah, I decided to I d

Kamile: I think you would have been better off without the chip time mentally.

Ashley: I I you know, I should pay for that banana that I got at the end, you know? Yeah, and the water bottle. No, I don't know, but it was funny because I've been talking to people forever, like since Cape Town. I like, Yeah, I'm gonna run the Vilnius half marathon, I'm gonna run the Vilnius half marathon and then I never signed up for it. So we live somewhere where you can actually sign up two days before. That is very rare. like for example,

Kamile: Okay.

Ashley: Copenhagen half marathon is even gonna be lottery now. So a lot of a lot of European races are now lottery.

Kamile: And I wonder how long will Vilno stay as it is. Maybe we we kinda like have it good because it's so hilly, so less less international also like the prize money isn't big. So maybe not so many international runners come yet. Yeah. But it's just a matter of time.

Ashley: Maybe we kinda like have good because it's so giddy. So less less international also like the prize money isn't big. Yeah. Maybe not so many international runners come yet. Yeah. But I think they were a little under prepared because the corrals were set up and and I was walking over to get into my corral kind of late because again here you don't need to be there super early. And they didn't

Kamile: And they didn't

Ashley: really think it through because a lot of us were off in a parking lot to the side of the corrals next to cars that were sitting there that were like part of the event itself and we were feeding into that. So cause my first idea was, because I wanted to do a sub two hour because I never had a sub two hour on my roster, I said, perfect. I'm just gonna follow the four hour marathon guys, and then it'll be easy. I'll just stick with whoever they are. but

Kamile: side of the corrals next to cars that were sitting there that were like part of the event itself and we were feeding into that. So 'cause my first idea was, because I wanted to do a sub two hour because I never had a sub two hour on my roster. I said, perfect. I'm just gonna follow the four hour marathon guys and then it'll be easy. I'll just stick with whoever they are. but the pacers didn't have flags.

Ashley: The pacers didn't have flags.

Kamile: Yeah. They had orange balloons with white numbers on them. So and balloons blow in the wind. And so it's almost impossible to see which group you're with. And because the corrals weren't set up so well and I was kind of off to the side, by the time I made it out to the street, they were gone. I have no idea where they were.

Ashley: They had orange balloons with white numbers on them. So and balloons blow in the wind. And so it's almost impossible to see which group you're with. And because the corrals weren't set up so well and I was kind of off to the side, by the time I made it out to the street, they were gone. I have no idea where they were. And I never

Kamile: saw them again. At some point somewhere in the race I did see some pacer guys with balloons.

Ashley: saw them again. At some point, somewhere in the race, I did see some pacer guys with balloons.

Kamile: I have no idea what number they were for. Because the balloons are moving so much and it's written in white on an orange balloon.

Ashley: I have no idea what number they were for because the balloons are moving so much and it's written in white on an orange balloon. Like so Sweatbank needs to give them a little bit more money next year to have proper flags attached to these guys.

Kamile: Like so Sweatback needs to give them a little bit more money in the street to have proper to these guys. Well my that because like it's probably not so comfortable r to run with that flag, especially if it's windy, because when I ran Conus Marathon, I ran behind the pacer and the pacer was with the flag and when the wind gust would come in, like you could see that like they would struggle to run against the wind because of the flag. So maybe you thought all balloons are gonna be easier, lighter, whatever but it's always them to make it easier to Yeah, exactly.

Ashley: Yeah, but the goal isn't to make it easier for the pacer, it's to make it easier for the runners.

Kamile: Yeah, yeah. So I think they kinda like experimented and then went in this. So yeah, so when I was trying to get in

Ashley: yeah, so when I was trying to get in

Kamile: my start line, it was written on the program that the corrals close at ten minutes to whatever we start. And we came there earlier and all of it was closed. You couldn't get in. So we were st all of us were next to the cars in the parking lot and then

Ashley: At ten minutes to whatever we start. Yeah. And we came there earlier and all of it was closed. You couldn't get in. So we were stuck some all of us were next to the cars in the parking lot. And then they have zones for the paces for the 5k. And it was, I don't know, maybe eight minutes till the race is supposed to start. We still couldn't get in. Because the marathon finishers were still running. That was their finish line. And for the half marathon and the marathon.

Kamile: They had the zones for the paces for the five K and it was I don't know, maybe eight minutes till the race is supposed to start. We still couldn't get in because the marathon finishers were still running. and that was their finish line. And for the half marathon and the marathon, they separated the two. So like when the half marathon was finishing, the marathon was l running on the left side to like continue the second loop.

Ashley: running on the left side to like continue the second loop, but they removed that when the five K was starting so then like the whole thing was for the maritime finishers and then we couldn't get in because the marathon finishers were still finishing. And so that was kinda odd and then we did get in eventually but it was kind of I think just some people just like moved the fence themselves and we then got in and then we had the zones for the paces and I stood where I'm supposed to, sub twenty five and I was there with a colleague two colleagues that were one had a a better goal and one had like the same as mine. And when we started running

Kamile: But they removed that when the five K was starting. So then like the whole thing was for the marathon finishers. And then we couldn't get in because the marathon finishers were still finishing. And so that was kinda odd. And then we did get in eventually, but it was kinda chaotic. I think just some people just like moved the fence themselves and we then we got in and we had the zones for the paces and I stood where I'm supposed to, sub twenty five, and I was there with a colleague, two colleagues that were like one had a a better goal and one had like the same as mine. And when we started running All of the people in front of us, which was not that many. Like it was like only because we were zone B and then only there was one more in the front. But all of the people in zone A were not supposed to not all majority were not supposed to be in zone A. So the first like five hundred meters

Ashley: all of the people in front of us which was not that many like it was like only because we were zone B and then only there was one more in the front but all of the people in zone A were not supposed to not all majority were not supposed to be in zone A. Yeah the first like five hundred meters

Kamile: of the run, I was just doing zigzags around people that stopped running a hundred meters in, started walking, all that stuff, or started running really, really slow, which is allowed, but you gotta stand where that for the crowd. Yeah.

Ashley: doing these zigzags around people that stopped running a hundred meters in, started walking, all that stuff or started running really, really slow, which is a lot, but you gotta stand Yeah, there's a reason for the corrals you should be in the C group that's gonna be the slowest. But the

Kamile: Yeah. But the problem is that maybe because like five K is the the beginner run for a lot of people and then they haven't done big races or any races and they don't know that it's pays on. They don't know where they're supposed to stand and they just stand in the front because like well they will finish faster, you know, or something. And so like

Ashley: They don't know that it's basons. They don't know where they're supposed to stand and they just stand in the front because like well they will finish faster, you know? Yeah. And so like you

Kamile: you can't blame it on the people that they were there, but the organizers could have made it a little bit more clear.

Ashley: The organizers could have made it a little bit more clear. Yeah, I think probably one, the organizers thought because I think it was six hours between the start of the marathon and your five K, I think

Kamile: Yeah.

Ashley: they probably thought everyone would be done the marathon at the six hour mark.

Kamile: Mm.

Ashley: I don't know what the official cutoff was, but so that was probably a pro a factor in that. And then two,

Kamile: Yeah. In that. And then two.

Ashley: People sometimes don't estimate their actual race times properly. Like there's all these like TikToks and reels where people say, I'm gonna run my five K in eighteen minutes and it takes them thirty seven or something like that. I think people just don't understand and yeah, that like, you know, entry

Kamile: People sometimes don't estimate their actual race properly. Like there's all these like TikToks and reels where people say, I'm gonna run my five K in eighteen minutes and it takes some thirty seven or something. I think people just don't understand and yeah that like, you know and

Ashley: level for a lot of people is the five K, you're gonna have more of that. But I mean the half marathon has that kind of stuff too, where people think they're just flying along and they're they're really not. So

Kamile: People think they're just flying along and they're they're really not. So think it I think it was like a it was a good race. I really enjoyed it. It was beautiful weather. It was sunny, but it was cool. Yeah. It was like eight or nine maybe.

Ashley: I think it depends. but I think it was like a it was a good race. I really enjoyed it. It was beautiful weather. It was sunny, but it was cool. I think it was like eight or nine degrees, maybe.

Kamile: Yeah, like when you started it was around ten, I think. Like, or at least when I went to because I also went out in the morning to support Ashley, and then after she finished I went home, got dressed, and came out for my 5k. So we switched to supporting each other. But when I came out to support you, it was plus ten. It was

Ashley: day so we switched to supporting each other. But when I came out to support me with plus that and beautiful. It

Kamile: Beautiful, it was perfect.

Ashley: was perfect. Yeah, I was walking to I was walking to the race in the morning. So I live about like two kilometers from where the race started. So I thought, well I'll just walk because that'll be a way to get my legs moving in the morning. So I grabbed an old sweatshirt that I was gonna throw away 'cause that's really important. If you're gonna do an early morning run for a race, you should bring something that you're willing to throw away. And what ends up happening is they'll collect them and they'll send them for donation. so I put on an old sweatshirt and I decided to eat my bagel walking to the race and I just felt so rock and roll. I'm just like walking down the street at seven thirty in the morning eating a bagel, just like by myself in my in my full running gear in this beat up old sweatshirt, just taking my time.

Kamile: So rock and roll. I'm just like walking down the street at seven thirty in the morning evening going out to the side by myself in my in my full running gear in this beautiful sweatshirt and just taking my time.

Ashley: but it was nice. I mean, like so when I got there, it it was pretty decent. The the toilet cues were incredibly long. They really underestimated that.

Kamile: But it was nice. like so when I got there, it the toilet cues were incredibly long. They really underestimated that. which is common in so many

Ashley: which is common at so many races.

Kamile: races. And they did have two separate zones full of toilets. Like so they had one that was okay, this is only for people who know Lithuanian Vilnos, like they had one next to the like to the left of Cathedral, to the next to the National Museum, and they had a a bunch more next to the Bernard Dinley Park, as like on the other

Ashley: Mm-hmm. then you had a a bunch more next to the Bernard Dinley Park was like on the other side. So like they prepared

Kamile: side. So like they prepared as much as they could, but it's just like I I I guess the amount of people was unexpected.

Ashley: as much as they could, but it's just like Still wasn't enough. I guess the amount of people was unexpected. Yeah, I think I think because I think a few thousand people signed up at the last minute. So but it's really great for the city, I think that the more people that that ran it. so I decided just to kinda go for the vibes. So I went up and got in my groups,

Kamile: so I decided just to kinda go for the vibe. So I went up and got in my groups,

Ashley: I was doing pretty good. So like I said, I wanted to do a sub two hour. So that would mean that I would have to run a pace of about five forty per kilometer. and I was a little nervous

Kamile: I was doing pretty good. So like I said, I wanted to do a sub two hour, so that would mean that I would have to run a pace of about five forty per kilometer. and I was a little nervous.

Ashley: about whether that was something I could achieve that day. But I went out and on the first K, I got runners high after one K. good.

Kamile: about whether that was something I could achieve that day. But I went out and on the first K I got runner's high at the one K. Good, but also a probability to burn out quite quickly if you get too fast

Ashley: Yeah.

Kamile: at the high.

Ashley: Yeah. So anyone who hasn't like I think runner's high is is an interesting topic because some people get it and some people don't. Some people get it

Kamile: Yeah.

Ashley: multiple times in a in a run and some people never get it ever.

Kamile: Okay, describe to people who don't know what is runner's high. Well for me

Ashley: Well, for me, I just suddenly feel incredible. I feel incredible. I'm so happy to be running. it's a beautiful day. I

Kamile: I'm so happy to be running. it's a beautiful day.

Ashley: mean, even if it's pouring rain, I'll have it and I'll be like, This is amazing. I'm in a movie, I'm running in the rain.

Kamile: Okay.

Ashley: Like something will just happen that'll click and it everything just feels good. And you get this burst of energy, not in the sense of like, I'm gonna go faster, but that I could sustain this forever.

Kamile: good and you get this burst of energy, not in the sense of like I'm gonna go faster, but that I could sustain this forever. Yeah. I did not actually check mm scientifically what's runner's eye, but I if I ha were to guess, I would say it's just like your body because it's starting to experience pain during your exercise. It's releasing endorphins to like deal with the pain and you're just like, whoa

Ashley: Yes, I would say it's just like your body because it's starting to experience pain during your exercise. It's re you're releasing endorphins to like feel with the pain and you're just like, Woo Yeah, like you get more endorphins than you thought. so but I felt great. So after one K but also I've I've been here before. So I thought like, this might be the best the entire race is ever gonna be. Like, be careful. but it felt good. So I was I I did my first kilometer like a six minute pace.

Kamile: Great, so after one K, but also I've I've been here before. So I thought like, this might be the best the entire race is ever gonna be. Like be careful. but it felt good. So I was I I did my first kilometer at like a six minute pace. So I thought, okay, that's not bad, because you should still always in a longer run, not a five K, but in a longer run

Ashley: So I thought, okay, that's not bad, because you should still always in a longer run, not a five K, but in a longer run, your first couple K still should be slower than the rest of the run, right? You're gonna you'll pick it up later. So but I thought, maybe I could do this, you know? So I started going through like the first few kilometers and they were slowly getting faster and faster and I started thinking, like, hey man, like, you know, maybe maybe I could make this happen.

Kamile: your first couple c still should be slower than the rest of the run, right? You're gonna you'll pick it up later. So but I thought, maybe I could do this, you know. So I started going through like the first few kilometers and they were slowly getting faster and faster and I started thinking, like, hey man, like you know, maybe maybe I could make this happen. Yeah, but I think you did the negative splits throughout, right? Like the whole run. Mostly. I look

Ashley: Mostly, I looked at my time, mostly. I did have one or two where I didn't, but if you look, those are the hilly spots. So it makes sense that.

Kamile: So it makes sense. Yeah, but overall like every five K was faster than the five K before. Yeah. because I

Ashley: Yeah. and

Kamile: was tracking you virtually on the like the marathon had like a virtual tracker and it had checkpoints at four point eight, ten, fifteen, twenty and then twenty one. And

Ashley: Eight, ten, fifteen, twenty, twenty one. Yeah.

Kamile: then like at five you were there at like thirty two minutes because you like you didn't start at zero zero, you started at like two thirty or three something. so you did the first five K in thirty and then the ten K it

Ashley: Yeah. Two or something. Yeah. so you did the first five K in thirty and then the ten K was

Kamile: was like one hour. like you did I think it maybe less than something like this. But Yeah, but like it like

Ashley: It had to have been less. I think it was like fifty seven minutes or something.

Kamile: f less than the five K. Like the first five K was slower than the second five K and then the fifteen I almost missed you because I was planning

Ashley: K was slower than the second five K and then the fifteen I almost missed you because I was planning

Kamile: like you know, looking at the virtual map, I was planning when I should go to support you. And then five fifteen you did faster than I thought, so

Ashley: you and then five fifteen you did faster than I thought.

Kamile: I had to like drop things and then run run out. Because you did it also faster than the second five K. Yeah. So

Ashley: Second five game. Yeah, so like I I was feeling pretty good. I still had that moment, you know, like the joke about how you're running a marathon and then a banana passes you, right? So I had my moment which was we were going up like a mini hill, into the f we were gonna go into a park. so in Givrinas and we were gonna go up to this little bridge. And it's not like a big hill, but it's like it's a little bit of an incline. And we were going up that and then I got passed by a guy in his fifties pushing a stroller.

Kamile: He's pushing a stroller.

Ashley: so I thought, great. Great. Yeah,

Kamile: so I thought, great. Classic The old man that always passes you.

Ashley: I was like, perfect, perfect. This dad is gonna pass me with his stroller, but it was okay. and I I I I kept moving and the f the forest part was actually really nice. And I thought I knew exactly where we were gonna run in the park. And it turns out we turned around a little earlier than that. So we missed this little bit of hill. So I got this boost like knowing that we didn't have to run up that little hill.

Kamile: Yeah.

Ashley: and then I was fine, like, and I I kept going. And I had a little blip around 14K, which is like where the sun hit me for a few minutes and I was a little bit thrown off maybe. but then I thought like, no, this is great. There I was always surrounded by lots of people. I, you know, I thought it was really fun. That was also an area where there was some cheering going on. and so then I I was trying to figure out if I was gonna be able to do the sub too. And I have I have said on my Garmin that it goes one hour at a time, like every thirty minute increments. So I know 'cause I gel every thirty minutes. And I looked at my watch and I realized that I was at one forty six. And you know, when you're running like a a race, parts of your brain no longer function because they're busy doing other things.

Kamile: Well, n it's not that your brain is doing other things, it's that the blood is in your legs and your muscles and there's not enough blood for your brain to be like, I got I can do this processing really well right now.

Ashley: processing reading. Okay, so that that's happening. So it wasn't basically long and the short of it is I wasn't thinking very straight. And then I realized, can do the math. I can figure this out. If I'm at 146 and I have about 2K to go, if I push, I can make this happen. so I started I started trying to go a little bit faster, doing like I think I was doing like five thirty to try to catch up. But you go up that street and we'll talk about with you in a second. You go up get the minus prospectus and it's maybe a point five incline percent. It's like it's minimal. If you were walking, you wouldn't even feel it.

Kamile: You go up prospectus and it's maybe a point five income. It's like it's minimal. If you were walking you wouldn't even feel it. Well you a little bit, but like overall it's like eighteen meters of elevation. Yeah, it's nothing.

Ashley: Yeah, it's nothing. really, but when you're at this point where you're at like tw almost twenty K into a half marathon, it was so heavy and long. And then also up ahead you see this line that says finish. It's for the kids two K. They put it up ahead of time. So you still have one kilometer to go and you see this finish line and then you read in the corner, you see a little Martian and it says like children's

Kamile: It's far as the kids. The kids two kids. So you still have one clock on the topic and you see this finish line and then you read in the corner, you see a little Martian says like children.

Ashley: finish and you're like, That's not fair

Kamile: Yeah, because I was at that was where I caught you to support you and I ran a little bit like next to you and then I followed you on the bike a little bit too and there was one guy that I saw whilst I was running behind you that he ran past the finish line and he stopped. Like the kid's finish line, he stopped and because he thought it was the finish, I was like that poor guy keep going.

Ashley: finish line and he stopped. Like the kid's finish line he stopped and because he thought it was the finish. Nope. Keep going, keep going.

Kamile: Because everyone else was keeping like continuing to run, so I wonder what he was thinking. Maybe all of his blood was in his legs

Ashley: Thinking. Maybe all of his blood was in the Yeah, he was at he was in the exact same position that I was in.

Kamile: He's

Ashley: So I went through I got close and I knew that, you know, I was gonna really, really be tight at the last minute. I tried my best and I got through to the end of the line and that was probably the hardest probably the hardest two hundred meters I've ever run in my life. It was so intense. And you go down around this little curve and then you run on these cobblestones and it was a bit of bottleneck there too. And I think that affected

Kamile: And I think that affect

Ashley: my final time. The bottleneck? Yeah. let's say your touch on the end.

Kamile: The bottleneck? So wait, wait, let's leave your time till the end.

Ashley: Okay. No, so okay, so there. So that's it. So and then I I made it through. got my banana. I got a bottle

Kamile: Mm-hmm.

Ashley: of water. And and then I met up with Camilla and found out my

Kamile: Mm-hmm.

Ashley: time because you know, that's the other thing too, right? You run through and the time was over two hours because I didn't start at Also there was no this year at least I didn't see

Kamile: But also there was no this year at least I didn't see one. There wasn't a monitor that would say the time. Yeah. Like there wasn't because usually when you finish the finish like you cross the finish line there's a monitor that says what the actual time is. And this year there wasn't. So when you finished I also didn't know

Ashley: save the time. Yeah. Like there wasn't 'cause usually when you finish the finish like across the finish line there's a monitor that says the actual time is and this year there wasn't. So when you finished I also didn't know

Kamile: your time. I had to like ask my husband to like find it on the website and send it to me and it didn't it didn't immediately how to say, like upload. It didn't immediately show on the website. So we had to wait at least like five, ten minutes.

Ashley: Yeah. And it didn't it didn't immediately like how to say, like upload. Yeah immediately show on the website. So we had to wait at least ten minutes. Yeah. So and then and then we found out my time.

Kamile: Which will be at the end of the episode. So how about yours? Like so

Ashley: Which will be at the end of the end soon. Okay, fine. So how about yours? Like so okay, so you were you had you had some troubles at the beginning because it was a bit congested, there were a lot of people there, but then you kicked off.

Kamile: Yeah. Yeah, well the problem is that I have never raced a five K before. I have run a five K race but I haven't raced. Like so I have when I started running I definitely did like five Ks. but I never did it in such a way of like, okay, this is for speed specifically and this is like I have to go at like four forty the whole time and then that's actually had to go at like four fif five fifty five for my goal, I think. But like that was

Ashley: I definitely like five Ks. but I never did it in such a way of like okay this is for speed specifically and this is like I have to go at like four forty the whole time and then that's actually have to go at like four fifty five fifty five for my goal I think but like that

Kamile: like this is what the pace I have to go and then I cannot do the fast c the first kilometer slower. Because with every like

Ashley: This is where the pace I have to go and then I cannot do the fast c the first kilometer slower. Because with every like half marathon I've run or ten K it's always the first one or two kilometers I go like real light, but fast. Yeah, like the half marathon, you take it simple and l easy at first and then you kick up.

Kamile: half marathon I've run or ten K. It's always like the first one or two kilometers I go like real lights, like a little faster than like easy. Marathon, you take it simple. Yeah. Yeah, because you cannot push too far in the beginning because then you get your heart rate up and then it's harder to get it down. So you kinda chill the first kilometer and then you like get a little bit faster and faster. No, for the five K you gotta push from the

Ashley: Not with a five K from the beginning.

Kamile: beginning. And then the beginning like it was hard to push because you couldn't because people were there and you had to do all these zigzags which takes a lot of

Ashley: Takes lot of competing and then like just like doing all these Yeah, you're running extra meters. So like I pushed the first

Kamile: competing energy and then like just like doing all these extra movements. Running extra meters. Yeah, you're running extra meters. So like I pushed the first kilometer and I think it was like four forty seven or something. Like it was it was like a little faster than I was supposed to do it. And

Ashley: It was like a little faster than I was supposed to do it. And

Kamile: but I felt great. Like I felt great the first kilometer. It was going to towards the river a little bit down. Then the second kilometer going towards same ones, towards the Parliament House. It was also like next to the river

Ashley: second kilometer going towards samus towards Parliament House, it was also like next to the river. I was still feeling good, but I started feeling this like feeling in my stomach of like probably my heart rate is too high, like and I'm pushing too high. And then at 2.5 kilometers that was where the Mill Prospecta started and the little incline, which is you said it's like it's significant in a half marinade. It's significant in a half kilometers I was two and a half kilometers in and I started

Kamile: I was still feeling good, but I started feeling this like feeling in my stomach of like probably my heart rate is too high and like and I'm pushing too high. And then at two point five kilometers, that was where the good minor prospecta started and the little incline, which is you said it's like it's significant in a half marathon. It's significant in a five K. It was I was two and a half kilometers in and I started running up that like little incline and it killed me. my third kilometer pace was five eleven, I think. Like it just went real slow because I just I at that point I didn't know what my heart rate was because I didn't I wasn't checking. I wasn't checking my pace, I wasn't checking my heart rate, I was just like running. Yeah. And my I had like a a colleague that

Ashley: wow. I was just like running. Just go as fast as you can. And I had like a colleague that

Kamile: ran with me and he started getting re like he wasn't running at all and he started getting ready for the specific race because all of our team did it and he started getting ready with Rana as well, but a month before the race and he didn't know what his capacity is, he didn't know his paces, but he was like

Ashley: And he didn't what his capacity is, he didn't know his spaces, but like, would be fun to do it sub twenty five. He wasn't sure if he can do it, he well like maybe not, but like he's gonna try. And like when we started, like I quite quickly lost him because he went slower and then at that little incline I was so out of it, I wasn't seeing anything. And then like I look up and I'm like, he's like in front of me right now. So he overtook me and he did better, but which is good job.

Kamile: It would be fun to do it sub twenty five. He wasn't sure if he can do it. He was like, maybe not, but like he's gonna try. And like when we started, like I quite quickly lost him because he went slower. And then at that little incline, I was so out of it, I wasn't seeing anything. And then like I look up and I'm like, he's like in front of me running away. So he overtook me and he did better. But which is good job. Like I wonder if he actually trained for a little bit longer and what he could do. but so I was dying. Like my my

Ashley: could do. Yeah. but so I was dying, like my my insides were not feeling good.

Kamile: insides were not feeling good, like I wasn't feeling good. That was the moment I was like, maybe I should walk. I was like, no, I cannot walk in a five K. Come on, no. So I slowed down to like get my heart rate a little bit down. And after the race when I looked at it, so before this race, my my biggest heart rate I've ever seen in my life was 187. And that 187 I saw like like a couple weeks ago. And how was that run? in which the 187 happened. It wasn't in the run. It was in the functional fitness class. So

Ashley: So before this race, my the biggest heart rate I've ever seen in my life was one eighty And that one eighty seven I saw like like a couple of weeks ago. And how long was that run? in which the one eighty seven yeah it wasn't in the run, it was in the functional fitness class.

Kamile: it was like on a treadmill it was running but like it was on a treadmill doing intervals really really intensely. It was like the last interval. So that was one eighty seven. Up before that that was one eighty six I've ever seen. But when I was running getting ready for the marathon, I

Ashley: Up before that that was 186 of everything. But when I was running getting ready for the marathon I haven't seen those pulses in a long time. Like the I would go to one seventy five and die. Like one seventy-five insufferable. Yeah. And that's why I was doing the five K to get more comfortable with the uncomfortable high

Kamile: haven't seen those pulses in a long time. Like the I would go to one seventy five and die. Like one seventy five was insufferable for a long time. And that's why I was doing the five K to get more comfortable with the uncomfortable high pa high pulses. And so my average for this run was 181. Which I have not ever done in my life. Ever. My my garden will be like, you are dead. And and I've reached a new high,

Ashley: pay high pulses. so my average for this run one. Wow. Well, wow, wow. Which I have not done in my life. I'd be dead. My my garment would be like, You are dead and I've reached a new height.

Kamile: which is just my one higher, one eighty eight. But I've never seen one eighty eight in four years I've been running one eighty eight. Not even the functional fitness class. It's like no wonder, no wonder I felt the way I felt. And so

Ashley: No wonder, no wonder I felt the way I felt. And so when I got up the hill then it was a little bit down, but then started going to like to the side towards the President's Palace and the cobblestones and the

Kamile: When I got up the hill, then it was a little bit down, but then it started going to like to the side and thro towards the President's Palace and the cobblestones and the bottlenecks and all that stuff. So I was I pushed a little bit more because like this is not much left. It's like a kilometer left. I can do it little faster. There were two water stations and both of them I just wanted to take a cup and like put it on my face. I didn't do it because it would be a waste of time. But in both of those times it was a little unsafe because people

Ashley: that stuff. So I was I pushed a little bit more because I was like, this is not much left. It's like a kilometer left. I can do little faster. There were water stations and both of them I just wanted to take a cup and like put it on my face. I didn't do it because it would be a waste of time. But in both of those times it was a little unsafe because people people that don't run a lot they were or maybe people that do run a lot but people just don't know like think about anything else they would for water arm themselves and put

Kamile: people that don't run a lot. They were or maybe people that do run a lot but people just don't know, like don't think about anyone else. They would pour water on themselves and put

Ashley: It on the in front of your feet, they would slow down and start walking to get the water. Like a lot of like you have to be very vigilant of like not slip, not a cup into your not, you know, like hit the person There's etiquette. There's like cup etiquette, like you need to throw it away and like towards well, you should really throw it in the bins, but

Kamile: it on the ground in front of your feet. They would slow down and start walking to get the water. Like a lot of like you had to be very vigilant of like not slip, not get th a cup into your face and not, you know, like hit a person that just stops. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Ashley: if you can't, you need to throw it off to the side and not just down.

Kamile: Yeah. And if you're getting the water, you go to the side and then you slow down and start walking and then that's where you drink as well if you slow down. If you're in the middle, you don't stop and start walking towards the cups. Where because if you don't want a cup, you run

Ashley: If you don't want to copy.

Kamile: in the middle, you run past it. But like that was not the case. Like everything was happening at the same time. And the second the second water station was like four point

Ashley: Yeah. Everything was happening at the same time. And the second the second

Kamile: kilometers in because that's where they set up for like the marathon and it made sense but for the 5k then but people still stopped for water there and it was in it was in Totary Street which is a very narrow street so there wasn't much space anyway and then the water station made it more less space and then so it was a little

Ashley: water station was like four point five kilometers. Right. Because that's where they set up for like the marathon. Yeah. And it was in it was in Totaro Street, which is a very narrow street. so there wasn't much space anyway, and then the water station made more less space and then so it was a little

Kamile: a little frightening so I also like you know like it takes energy so then I ran towards the finish and then for the last four

Ashley: frightening so I also like you know like it takes energy. So then I ran towards the finish and then for the last couple

Kamile: couple hundred meters I did my usual of like trying to get faster, like to pushing for the for the end of it. And if you do a half marathon, there's always a little bit for the end, you know? Like either Yeah. Either if it's

Ashley: hundred meters I did my usual of like trying to get faster like to push in for the for the end it. And if you do a half marathon there's always a little bit for end. Uh-huh. There's always something in the tank. Yeah. Either if it's

Kamile: for a kil the last kilometer or for the last hundred meters. You still do a little bit, like yes, I can do this a little bit more because you cannot run at full speed the whole half

Ashley: still do a little bit of yes, I can do this a little bit more because you cannot run at full speed the whole

Kamile: marathon. You have to keep something in the tank. And then for the five K I did actually use everything I had in the tank. And then for the c last couple hundred meters I did

Ashley: And then for the five K I did actually use everything I had. And then for the last couple of weeks. The car is like sputtering out like the car is on fire.

Kamile: Yeah the car is on fire. And then so but I did like push a little bit more, like whatever there was, and that's where the one eighty eight pulse happened and then I finished the the finish line and crossed the finish line and threw up. It was crazy because I saw you.

Ashley: Which was crazy because I saw you. I was there and you looked really strong to me, so I was surprised that you said and then I threw up.

Kamile: Yeah, well I finished. I got I c I kept it in until I got the medal and I don't know I

Ashley: Ha ha ha.

Kamile: was like I was I was suffering real hard. And then I moved along to the side so that other people could finish and then stood next to the the the fences and like bent down and like if there were people next to me like supporting others and they definitely would have seen what's happening because my whole body was doing like

Ashley: to the side so that other people could finish. Right. And then stood next to the fences and like bent down and like if there were people next to me like supporting others and they definitely have seen what's happening because my whole body was doing like Yeah, the movement. But I I was very I was very polite, I was very noble. I threw up in my mouth and it swallowed And this is everyone, this is why we run.

Kamile: You know, like the moment. But I I was very I was very polite. I was very noble. I threw up in my mouth and I swallowed it back. Everyone, this is why we run. Yeah, everyone do a running. Well to be fair, this was the first time this has happened to me. I have never had this

Ashley: Wow.

Kamile: experience in my life before. And it was because I pushed the whole run. I didn't do the f slow or far first K. I think even in the five K you should do the negative splits. Yeah.

Ashley: Slower for K. I think even in the 5K, you shouldn't do little negative split. Yeah, you should. I mean, but but still the difference is like we're talking seconds. Like I I did my first K 20 seconds slower. Yours is gonna be maybe five, you know, not that not that much. I but I also pushed really, really hard at the end. I didn't throw up, thank you. But I also felt dizzy for a second because I really, really pushed probably that last.

Kamile: Yeah, I did my first cake twenty seconds slower. Yours is gonna be maybe five. Yeah. Yeah. Not that much. I but I also pushed really, really hard at the end. I didn't throw up thinking. But I also felt dizzy for a second because I really, really pushed probably that last two hundred meters trying to come in there as quick as I could. Pushed through way harder than I I did in two count, but like every single race is a different

Ashley: 200 meters trying to come in there as quick as I could, pushed it way harder than I I did in Cape Town. But like every single race is a different

Kamile: Yeah.

Ashley: vibe.

Kamile: I was at your finish line and I yelled Ashley, Ashley, nothing. But you didn't know I was there for Camilla. My daughter was

Ashley: Didn't know you were there. Didn't even know you were there. Like but you didn't know I was there 'cause I was screaming Go Camilla Like and my dog was there too. No like nothing. He wa he nothing existed.

Kamile: there too. After I finished a friend of mine, he did a marathon and his wife did a ten K after the five K, so he was there to support and he he texted me of like

Ashley: He texted me of like, You should be an ad for noise cancelling headphones because I yell so hard that other people complained about their eardr eardrums and you didn't hear a thing. Perfect. You were

Kamile: You should be an ad for noise cancelling headphones because I yelled so hard that other people complained about their eardrum eardrums and and you didn't hear a thing. And locked in.

Ashley: locked in.

Kamile: I was with headphones but I was on transparent mode. I should have heard everything and I just my brain was mm mm not in the game.

Ashley: No, because you're somewhere else. You're in the race. I was drunk

Kamile: I was thrown up. That's where I was.

Ashley: up. how did it go? Did you do a sub twenty five?

Kamile: Okay.

Ashley: that's a great ooh, let's stop for a minute and talk. There is no debate. The answer is the chip is God. I disagree.

Kamile: I disagree because after my race I talked with a lot of people and I was like, Well, I technically didn't do it like that's the spoiler. I d technically didn't do it because because of this and this, because of the chip time and because of the Strava time. But everyone's like, You were training for the Strava time. Like you had my record before twenty five, twenty five, that was Strava time. That wasn't a race. That was like a part of a f eight K I did, I think, or something like this.

Ashley: eighth K I I think, something like this. so your Strava time like if you do a if you're a professional run

Kamile: So your Strava time, like if you do if you're a professional runner and you do marathons, and then that's your official time for sure. But if you're just like doing training for something and like my runner or Mostrava said, this is the pace you're supposed to do. So that's the pace I'm supposed to do for the app. In reality, my time probably is a little bit different because I don't run like actual race. Also in the race you do zigzags and you do a lot of it.

Ashley: But if you're just like doing training for something and like my runner Mastrawa said, This is the pace you're supposed to do, so that's the pace I'm supposed to do for the app. In reality my time probably is a little bit different because I don't run like actual race. Also in the race you do zigzags and we do it a lot. Yeah, but that's part that's part of the deal. The chip is good. You know, this is a great this is a great thing. I would love if people would email us hello dot running on empty at gmail dot com. Which is it?

Kamile: People email us hello dot running on empty at gmail dot com. Which is it? Is it

Ashley: Is it your Strava time or is it your chip time? What is the what is the final result? The big meanies on the internet will say that it's just the chip time. The chip time. Okay, fine.

Kamile: your time or is it your chip time? What is the what is the result? The big meanies on the internet will say that it's just the chip time. But it's gatekeeping. I'm telling you. Everything counts.

Ashley: Then what was your chip time?

Kamile: My chip time was twenty-five six. Twenty-five six so close. So close. But my Strava time was twenty-four forty two, which counts. And twenty four forty two. Twenty-four forty two. That's that's what my app said I could do and that's what I did.

Ashley: time was 2506. Twenty-five six so So close. So close. Twenty-four forty-two. Which counts. Twenty-four Twenty-four forty-two. Hmm. That's that's what my app said I could do in two days.

Kamile: because funnily enough, after I finished that race and I ran it with all I could, like because I couldn't do it faster. Maybe three weeks ago I could have before I got sick. But that day, no way. Also when I ran,

Ashley: Maybe three weeks ago I could have before I got sick. But that day, no way.

Kamile: because you ran in the morning it was plus ten. When we ran it was it already like daytime and I don't know what the temperature was, do you know?

Ashley: Yeah, I mean it wasn't I th I would guess sixteen maybe.

Kamile: think it was more because I ran without sleeves. Like I ran in a sleeveless shirt and even before the race

Ashley: Yeah. Shirt and even for race.

Kamile: started I was like I was too hot because of the sun.

Ashley: Then maybe more, 'cause I sat around I sat around waiting for you in just a t shirt and I felt fine. So maybe it was more like eighteen or something like that. Yeah.

Kamile: Yeah. So maybe it was more like eighteen. Yeah. And it was sunny. Like sun came out. So like the sun was too hot. Like everyone that I talked with that ran was like, Yeah, it was too hot, it was too hot. Yeah, and also

Ashley: Yeah, it was too hot. It was too hot. Yeah, and also the fact that in the morning you still have that chill from the evening in the air, even though it's warming up, there's still that kind of feeling and that breeze that you have. Plus you have to factor in, like you ran at two o'clock in the afternoon and you've eaten more food most likely. You've lived more of the day, while if you're just getting up and running, you're gonna you're gonna fuel specifically for the run

Kamile: Chill from the evening in the air, even though it's warming up, there's still that kind of feeling and that breeze that you have. Plus you have to factor in, like you ran at two o'clock in the afternoon and you've eaten more food most likely, lived more of the day, while if you're just getting up and running, you're gonna you're gonna fuel specifically for the run and

Ashley: But you were moving around, you had done all kinds of things.

Kamile: kinds of things. until two o'clock, you know. So I went

Ashley: Yeah.

Kamile: to support you and I was like, I wanna run next to you. And I was like, maybe I shouldn't. Maybe I should like

Ashley: Yeah.

Kamile: like guard my legs. Although like it doesn't matter. I'm not a pro runner. None of it matters. But I mean it it helps you to the best day. Yeah,

Ashley: No, but I mean it it helps you to have the best day that you can have.

Kamile: well I'm I've been rethinking this because when we talked about the week when we get ready for the race, I was like, I hate it. I hate

Ashley: I hate

Kamile: that week because I wanna exercise a lot more and you're not allowed to. So Friday before the race it was so warm in the evening and was like, I would love to go for a bike ride. Hm, maybe I shouldn't because I should like keep my legs not fatigued. Yeah.

Ashley: 'cause the race is coming. It is it is it is difficult. I think like in marathons they call it maranoia, that 'cause you just there's so much that you want to do that you can't do and you worry

Kamile: Yeah.

Ashley: about all kinds of things that you normally wouldn't even think about for a moment and suddenly

Kamile: Yeah.

Ashley: they're so important.

Kamile: I mean also what I can eat is a lot l more limited because I'm lactose intolerant and I usually eat lactose anyway because I was like who cares?

Ashley: Ha ha

Kamile: but for race I don't wanna put myself

Ashley: Yeah.

Kamile: in the race. So I don't eat lactose a couple of days before the race. So then a lot of what I can eat

Ashley: Yeah.

Kamile: the menu. Yeah, that makes sense too. Like I 'cause I

Ashley: Yeah, that makes sense too. Like I 'cause as I mentioned, I was eating a lot of sugar and I had ice cream in the house. And nothing will stop me from eating ice cream except having to run a half marathon in the morning and I just went, Nope,

Kamile: Except having to run nope,

Ashley: So, yeah. Okay, what was my time.

Kamile: Okay. Okay, what was your time? Okay, first your chip time.

Ashley: My chip time, which is the time.

Kamile: It is naughty time. I think everything counts.

Ashley: counts. before I say it, I will say that I would be upset about my chip time if it wasn't so funny. So my chip time is two hours, zero seconds, and ten hundredths of a second. Two zero zero one zero. Which is

Kamile: So my chip time is two hours, zero seconds, and ten hundredths of a second. Two zero zero one zero

Ashley: like ridiculous. And so when Camilla told me I I was my god, I just I screamed in the street, like, are you kidding me? It's so r I wanted sub too. And I was ten hundredths of a second away from that.

Kamile: So r I wanted some two and I was ten hundredths of a second away from that I took photos of Ashley after I've told her her time and it's very funny, we can put it on Instagram just like

Ashley: And it's very funny, you can put it on Instagram.

Kamile: just like laughing in despair.

Ashley: Yeah, I mean it was it was r ridicul so ridiculous. my Strava time was one fifty eight forty seven.

Kamile: Which I think matters and it like it you did it. You were training with Strava for Strava and you did it.

Ashley: Yeah, but I my goal was to have an official sub two chip time which I've never had.

Kamile: Well, you look at it.

Ashley: But I am I am very proud of my two zero zero one zero. I think that's a great

Kamile: Two zero zero. I think that's a great It's a PR.

Ashley: time to have. I don't care. I'm I'm happy with it. Like I said, if it wasn't so funny, I would be upset.

Kamile: And you did it so well. Like I my husband Jamie went out to see you and you f he filmed you and sent it to me and then I went out to see you myself twice and you looked strong,

Ashley: You looked strong.

Kamile: you looked happy, you had a lot of fun. And I think that's what matters.

Ashley: Yeah. think that's what matters. I think it was great. I mean, so yeah, we both had funny things happen to us, but we did well.

Kamile: Yes, we did well.

Ashley: Okay, so let's finish up today with just post race. So

Kamile: Okay, so let's finish just post r post did you feel for the rest of the day? So 'cause yours was in the middle of the day.

Ashley: How did you feel for the rest of the day? So 'cause yours was in the middle of the day. What did you do anything special for recovery?

Kamile: What did you do anything special for recovery? so after the race we all went out with my colleagues and you we went to

Ashley: Yeah too.

Kamile: a bar to get some beers. I don't drink alcohol, so I got a alcohol free beer and then like a Coke because I was like really craving some Coke. Yeah. Yeah. So

Ashley: And I thought that was a great idea and so I did the same.

Kamile: we we drank that like for post race. know like replenishing our fluids and electrolytes and then

Ashley: Yeah.

Kamile: walked home I get got my traditional soy protein chocolate chocolate milk and I think I just like chilled for the rest of the day. I don't even

Ashley: So I protein, chocolate, chocolate milk, and I think I just like chilled for the rest of the day.

Kamile: remember what I did, but like I didn't do anything special because my legs were not sore at all. I think about the five things Yeah yeah like my my heart like my chest

Ashley: That's the nice thing about the five K. Yeah, yeah, yeah. heart, like my chest.

Kamile: and my overall like health it felt like something happened to me, you know, like I felt like either have gotten sick or like I felt exhausted in that inside way, but like the muscles were all fine. The next day in the morning I went to the gym. Like I felt completely fine. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I mean like so yeah

Ashley: Synchro like I felt exhausted in that inside way, but like the muscles were all fine. The next day in the I went to the gym, like I felt like wow. Okay. Yeah, I mean like so yeah, I went I went home, I a I had my post long run pizza like I do every Saturday,

Kamile: post long run pizza like I do every Saturday

Ashley: every weekend. met up with you, did that. Yeah, and

Kamile: Yeah.

Ashley: then I was I mean, my legs hurt, I'm not gonna lie, my legs really did hurt, but I I also ran twenty one point one. and I finished that ice cream.

Kamile: Yeah. that ice cream. And that was basically it. And that's I that was a Sunday. And Mondays I don't just took one complete day off and then kinda jumped back on the wagon. Yeah. Yeah,

Ashley: And that was basically it. And then I s I that was a Sunday and Mondays I don't run. So I just took one complete day off and then kinda jumped back on the wagon. Yeah. Yeah.

Kamile: it was a little so at first I felt kinda upset about my time, so I didn't know what to do about it. And I was like, I gotta like somehow compensate for this and I instead of getting a like a recovery plan, I signed up for the next race plan immediately of like, I'm gonna start running properly now three times a week because I've been running for two times a week for quite a while. Three times a week I'm gonna not miss my runs anymore. I'm gonna like do everything pro properly and see what I can have what can happen. So the plan is for Christmas run.

Ashley: and I instead of getting a like a recovery plan I signed up for the next race plan. Immediately of start running properly, no three times a week 'cause I've been running for two times a week for quite a while. Three times a week I'm gonna not miss my rent anymore, I'm gonna do everything pro properly and see what I can have. And what's the plan for? So the plan is for Christmas run.

Kamile: in Vilnius we have this tradition for every every December we have a Christmas run.

Ashley: Nice. in Binance we have this tradition for every every December we have a Christmas run, which is it's it's not it is a race, people like racing in but also the

Kamile: Which is it's it's not it is a race. People like race and win, but also the the majority of people who run it, it's just for entertainment. People dress up in like costumes. One year I did it with a rain day or costume as well. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's a fun run. And I I have

Ashley: Or did it go to rain day across them or Yeah, I've seen people they put Christmas lights on themselves and run, yeah. That's I have been

Kamile: been doing it for a few years in a row and then I for a couple maybe and then I haven't done it last year, I think. and I will do it this year as well. So I stand up for like I I made a plan for twelve K in that run because that run is three, six or twelve. It's not that usual. So run I is like saying like a pace that I'm supposed to run, but I think I gotta like rethink

Ashley: Three, six or twelve. And are you gonna try for a s a time for your twelve? So runner is like saying like a that I'm supposed to run, but I think I gotta like rethink

Kamile: how I do these races a little bit because like I'm not a professional runner and all of the best races and all of the

Ashley: like I'm not a professional runner and all of the best races and all the

Kamile: best times I've had is when I didn't really like care so much what the the pace is gonna be and what's the goal gonna be. And anytime I did care

Ashley: care so much what the the pace is gonna be and what's the goal gonna be. And any time I did care, like it went worse than I was like trying to make it because I think because stress affects me and it affects everyone. You built it up too much in your mind. Yeah yeah. That like not allowing myself to do certain things

Kamile: Like it went worse than I was like trying to make it because I think because stress affects me and it affects everyone and like Yeah, yeah, and like like like not allowing myself to do certain things that like a couple days before. Like it's it shouldn't happen like this if you're just doing this for fun and I wanna do this for fun. So I s Rana is saying that's gonna be five pace? The twelve K, like five pace in fifteen minutes, for ten K and then like more for for the more but

Ashley: So I s Rana is saying that's gonna be five bits? Twelve K, like five pace in fifty minutes, for ten K and then like more for for the more but

Kamile: Don't care. And I also have one race in the middle. I have in October seventeenth or something, TKN, which is Trail Course Naria, is which is a very nice trail run in Lithuania in the Kuronian split, which is a place a lot of the track is closed for people most of the time because it's reservation, is that the word? Like it's like a preserve preserve, it's preserve.

Ashley: Don't care. And I also have one race in the middle. I have in October six seventeenth or something, T Kn, which is Trail Courtney, which is a very nice trail run in Lithuania in the Korean split, which is a place a lot of the track is closed for people most of the time because it's reservation, is that the word? Like it's like a preserve. Preserve, it's preserve.

Kamile: but they open it for the for the run, so it's quite impressive and I'm gonna run it with a colleague and

Ashley: but they open it for the for the run, so it's quite impressive and I'm gonna run it with a colleague

Kamile: his girlfriend and the plan is to go it's slow. So I'm I didn't even like make a plan for it because I'm not gonna train for it. Because I can because I signed up for a half marathon there and I can do a half marathon anytime I think if it's not fast.

Ashley: His girlfriend and the plan is to go slow. So I'm I didn't even like make a plan for it because I'm not gonna train for because I signed up no, I think the same. Like, I think I was g yeah, I'm gonna do the Christmas run just for fun because your husband's gonna run it. So if you're gonna go speedy, I'll stay back with him so he's not alone. yeah, and then I'm just spending the rest of the year building up mileage again.

Kamile: Yeah. Because your husband's gonna run it. So if you're gonna go speedy, I'll stay back with him. yeah,

Ashley: so that I can start marathon training in the new year. so yeah, I think, you know

Kamile: way. so yeah, I think, you know, to wrap up like we have our win of the week usually, but this week our win of the week is that we both we both got

Ashley: To wrap up, like we have our win of the week usually, but this week our win of the week is that we both we both got P Bs, even if they weren't in the way that we expected.

Kamile: P D's even if even though there's a little bit of discussion of what is the actual time. Let us know what you think. ship time, drama time once more or or both. It could be both.

Ashley: Yes. Yeah, and everyone let us know what you think. chip time, Strava time, what's more important? Well, yeah, you can also use you can also use both. That's true.

Kamile: True. Okay, so thank you so much for listening. We hope you will rate, review, and subscribe to help get the word out. We'll be back soon with a new episode. You can find us wherever you get your favorite podcasts.

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Kamile: Okay, love you. Keep running.

Ashley: you. Keep running. Bye.