JJ Shankles: Welcome to another episode of the CoExtrusion Podcast. Hey Jerry, how you doing? Jerry Gomes: I'm doing great. How are you? Ow! I'm getting bit by a cat. Yeah, JJ Shankles: Nice, I've been doing good. Can't attack. Jerry Gomes: a cat attack at the beginning of the podcast. What the heck? JJ Shankles: It doesn't like that we've started the podcast. Yeah. It was it was sitting in your lap for so long. Jerry Gomes: She's j she's probably excited about some of the ow, she keeps biting me. She's very excited about some of the topics that we're gonna have today. I know. JJ Shankles: Yeah. She's excited about the topic. So this week I thought we'd talk about the new Clee Tech and Creality K three that's coming up. I got a briefing from them to explain the secrets behind behind the door, a lot of the secrets of what this new thing Jerry Gomes: Okay. JJ Shankles: is. Yeah, so Jerry Gomes: Interesting. Okay, so I know you're probably gonna tell all of us about this new technology. JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: first and foremost, I'll tell you the sum total of what I know about CleTech is the email that I received that millions of other people also received. And I'm sure you're about to tell me how wrong I am, but To me, it looks like a copy and paste of Bontech index. And JJ Shankles: Ha ha ha. Jerry Gomes: what I tell you that that is the sum total of everything I know. That's everything JJ Shankles: Yeah. It Jerry Gomes: I know. JJ Shankles: there you go. That's a good starting place to know that it's it's cool. It's cool that they're like going for a different technology. I think it's really interesting how every brand has such a different solution here. And it is very similar to the index, but not the same. Like it is it still has power run to every single nozzle. Jerry Gomes: Well JJ Shankles: So, you know, that's just one slight difference there. And Basically, each nozzle setup is a whole separate thing. but it does have a USB C connector going to it to deliver power and maybe a filament sensor on there. So it can do the Jerry Gomes: USB okay. JJ Shankles: preheating on there. so I can share let me share the screen so for anyone watching the video, you can see sort of a bit of a visual here. Here's the the graphic of it. let me get down to the actual Jerry Gomes: Shoes, the hot thing. JJ Shankles: The actual hot end here that's switching out there is a simple little plastic piece. But then Jerry Gomes: Ooh. JJ Shankles: it has a full nozzle and heatsink. And the power. Let me try to get to a here's a paused video. Okay, Jerry Gomes: Is it possible for you to pause that or is it like just a gift that doesn't stop? there we go. JJ Shankles: cool. Here. so the filament comes Jerry Gomes: Tiny. JJ Shankles: in here and the USB C comes in as this white part over to the left. and then the filament is actually exposed right here. So there's a gap. And that's where the two there's they're gonna be two gears on the moving carriage that grab onto the filament there and do the actual extruding pushing of it right there. Jerry Gomes: Ooh. So the gear kinda so basically if this is a piece of filament, the gear kind of like wraps around and hugs it. And so that was gonna be JJ Shankles: Yes, yeah. So they the gears open up and then close clamp down on it and then push it through. Yeah. Jerry Gomes: I was gonna say, how can the gears like bite down on the filament in order to actually pull it if if the gears don't open up? But basically they that JJ Shankles: Yes. Jerry Gomes: there's basically jaws, they open up They go around and they close. So interesting. Okay, so now we're opening up I know this everyone's gonna say, yeah, now you have s you more moving parts, more moving parts can break and JJ Shankles: Yeah, yeah. Jerry Gomes: fair, but also like this is giving you the ability to preheat your nozzle because you have JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: saw must tr I'm trying to come up with all the possible options right there. Basically the only thing I can think of that you would have in those nozzles realistically would well you I mean if you wanted to be very specific you probably could probe the bed with all of them and get like a mega bed mesh with every nozzle if you're running which I don't know if I don't JJ Shankles: Hmm. Yeah. Jerry Gomes: you'd have to be running with some really worn down nozzles for that to be important. But if you have the ability to do it. Like if data transfers, you could do bed meshing with each nozzle, you could do filament run out with each nozzle. You could do you can preheat. Which I think preheating is probably the big game changer here as compared to the Fontech index. JJ Shankles: Yeah. The preheat which is interesting that Index is able to do it so quickly even without a preheat. 'cause they have some Jerry Gomes: Do you? JJ Shankles: special inductive heater or something something special that they're doing with the Index. Jerry Gomes: Is is the index using a an a copper nozzle which is more thermally conductive or okay. 'Cause I JJ Shankles: I'm not sure what material it's using. But I do think it's induction. So it's just faster than a standard ceramic heater. Jerry Gomes: wait, it's an induction heater. okay. I I I got you. you said you JJ Shankles: Yeah. So it's some sort of Jerry Gomes: said induction. I'm thinking ceramic in my head, because like ceramic was like the all the cre all the rays like th three years ago, two years ago. Yeah, yeah. I actually didn't know that about index. JJ Shankles: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. This is like next level beyond ceramic. but here. Jerry Gomes: I don't know. May maybe I'm like I mean I JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: probably am under living under a rock, but I actually didn't know that. That's JJ Shankles: At least I think index is. I know that H two C is using an induct some sort of induction to be able to heat the nozzle in like ten seconds or something crazy like that. Like Jerry Gomes: I hate that like I'm outing myself right now, like, yeah, you don't know like I I didn't know like that's I mean that JJ Shankles: No, yeah. Jerry Gomes: that is something that probably all you guys watching do and I'm like, I'm stuck under a rock. JJ Shankles: Yeah. Well it's not like out yet, you know, so it's I don't know, it's I feel like it's reasonable to not know every little detail on it 'cause the full production Jerry Gomes: That's fair, that's fair. JJ Shankles: unit hasn't shipped yet. but other features here on the hot end, there is a little gap right here below where the extruding gears mesh that there's actually a filament cutter here. So on the carriage, I'll call this part. There is a cutter so it can cut the filament to be able to retract easily. that's something that's not on a lot of other tool changer printers. Like they don't cut Jerry Gomes: So these are JJ Shankles: the filament, yeah. Jerry Gomes: these are purpose built to be able to accept an AMS unit or a a CFS. Or else they wouldn't have the cutter there. Or JJ Shankles: Yes, so huh. Jerry Gomes: or it's planned for the future. JJ Shankles: It's planned for 'cause there were still they're still finishing up K three things. And I think currently they're only running the K three with like three spools mounted on it. But we were trying to get information of like seems like you could put four CFS CFS to each hot end if you wanted to. And we Jerry Gomes: I would be st JJ Shankles: were like, why not? And they were like, Yeah, I think you would be able to So that you Jerry Gomes: I JJ Shankles: could put four to each nozzle easily is really cool. Jerry Gomes: I had such an incredible headache when I did my 16 color print on the Crality K2 Plus with four CFSs. JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: Just an enormous headache, right? Like there were certain colors that didn't get used very many times, but it JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: it had to change so many times, and it's such a such a huge waste of retraction time when the nozzle can be docked and then do its color change. And and I just It's Ooh, actually interesting. I'm thinking out loud now. So well, JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: no, because I was thinking it could do its purge while it was docked, but I'm realizing that's probably not an accurate statement because JJ Shankles: Probably not, yeah. Jerry Gomes: the extruder gear is tied to the carriage. Although JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: I wonder, and I don't know how capable or possible, but I wonder if it can use the extruder the Let me take us back. If it can use the the motor and the gears inside the CFS to purge very slowly, you have less torque because you have less torque JJ Shankles: interesting. Jerry Gomes: because it the the motor is all the way back at the CFS. But if you have a short Bowden tube, you probably JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: have enough torque to purge while docked, or at least do a partial purge while docked. And it can finish the purge with JJ Shankles: Maybe. If the setup here usually on a on all the other tool changers, the nozzle when it's docked, is like sitting on a piece of silicone or something. Like it's kind of physically plugged. So if you could have it somehow Jerry Gomes: But but sorry. JJ Shankles: not physically plugged, that might be a possibility. Jerry Gomes: Well, y you could have that silicone do like what the H two D did and have like a swapper or not a swapper, like a JJ Shankles: Hm. Jerry Gomes: like a mechanism and it could it could move it it could dock the nozzle, move the mechanism, then you could be moving with the carriage and printing while simultaneously the CFS attached to that nozzle could do a slow purge and then when it's done purging that silicone sock could then move over or not silicone sock, silicone blocker. JJ Shankles: Yeah. some sort of blocker, yeah. Maybe. Pure speculation of Jerry Gomes: Yeah. All pure pure pure theory and speculation. I I have literally no idea. I'm just saying this is probab th this is a see we we haven't seen a system that was like this before, so we're JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: rein we're you know, we're we I'm talking about things that, you know, are just possible given possible design choices. JJ Shankles: Yeah, yeah, just possibilities here. it is a weird design here, how there isn't a f there's not a fan on the hot end heatsink while it's doing that preheat. which is kind of weird. And we were kind of asking them like, is it fully preheating to two twenty, like without a fan on the heat s like that seems weird. and couldn't get a lot of like actual answers of how the printer actually functions. Like is it maybe only preheating to 180 or something? Or you know, something warm but not quite like melting hot. Because it seems like you get Jerry Gomes: Mm-hmm. JJ Shankles: heat creep and clogs if you don't if you're heating it to a full two twenty and just sitting there, or even hotter for other materials. so there's still mysteries of like how it actually is going to function on the real printer. But it is going to do some amount of heating. Jerry Gomes: Even if you even JJ Shankles: Before the carriage picks it up. Yeah. Jerry Gomes: if you preheat to half of the JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: appropriate temperature, right? That's half that you don't have to pre and JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: I'm I understand how chemistry works and thermodynamics and maybe heating from zero to a hundred or z yeah, zero to a hundred might be, you know, easy lift and only take X number of seconds to go from a hundred to two twenty might be extra like I got ya there in physics JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: and stuff, but I mean Heating any amount will save some time. So and JJ Shankles: Save some time, for sure. Yeah. Jerry Gomes: when you're talking about two thousand swaps, well, I I guess if you're using this system, it's probably not two thousand, but if you're talking about some number of hundreds of swaps, any savings is going to going to grow. JJ Shankles: speed things up. Because they said it could do a five second color swap. and then a fifteen second material swap, which I don't know what that means. I asked them what is a material swap different than a color swap? And I don't think I got an answer Jerry Gomes: That's odd. JJ Shankles: on the email from that. But basically when it's just changing from one color to the other, it takes five seconds and the video clips are super fast to watch. that it seems Jerry Gomes: It takes five seconds for a color swap and 15 for JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: material. But ultimately you're using a different nozzle regardless. So that unless there's JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: some kind of preheating in the actual carriage as well, which needs to change. I wonder if the carriage itself has a separate heater on the inside of it to assist. And when you change materi. JJ Shankles: No. Jerry Gomes: No, it it doesn't, but like it d also doesn't make sense that changing from one color to one material would change the time because it shouldn't. Because you're using a JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. It shouldn't. Jerry Gomes: completely different physical piece of hardware. JJ Shankles: Yeah. of maybe it needs to purge more. But that doesn't make sense. I don't know. All these things I'm like, why do they delimit d delineate these two different things? Jerry Gomes: you know what? I I you actually might be onto something there. I wonder if one partic if they're suggesting one particular nozzle has an AM or has a CFS with PLA, PLA, PLA, and TPU and JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: it does a swap in that particular case that has to purge slower. JJ Shankles: Hm. Jerry Gomes: Because TPU purges slower, it purges at a different JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: different like or if you're purging like let's say you have PLA, PLA, PLA, ABS. I don't know why you would do that, but you have to heat up the nozzle to purge out the PLA to one temperature, and after it's purged, you have to heat the nozzle again to a higher temperature for ABS. I wonder if that's the kind of JJ Shankles: Hmm. Jerry Gomes: thing It seems like a really JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: odd specific marketing JJ Shankles: Yeah. It seems weird that like that was their tagline of like and I can't tell where it is on the thing here. Jerry Gomes: That's oddly specific though, because normally marketing wants to market the single best thing and they want to hide all of the negativities. So you JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: wouldn't want they would they you would think marketing would typically only advertise the five seconds, and JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: then they'd say, Asterisk, if you go to the bottom of the page. It is. JJ Shankles: Uh-huh. Which fifteen is still really fast for whatever whatever f specific material swap they mean with that. it's still impressive. but so back to the hot end here. This the top part I think is a filament r run out sensor. So it somehow tells like this thing swings out and somehow pushes a sensor or something. Here is what I think this part up here is. The other Big features scrolling around trying to find it. The different materials and different nozzle sizes it can print with. So no no Jerry Gomes: I did see that. JJ Shankles: other printer can do multiple nozzle sizes. and so that you Jerry Gomes: I've been talking about that for so long. I JJ Shankles: could print like the inside in one materi in one here's where it talks about it. point four millimeter nozzle does the outside, point eight millimeter does the inside. So it'll be something in the slicer this time that everyone else physically could do it, but they're they're everyone else has Snapmaker and FlashForge have told me, Theoretically you could, but the slicer is really complex to make it work. And Creality's like, Yeah w yeah. Yes. Until Creality launches this. Yes. Jerry Gomes: Software prohibited until today or release. Yeah. I And it's really w you know what's wild to me is the fact that w when did the U1 has now been it's in it's been like in the wild. Honestly in the wild, JJ Shankles: Since Jerry Gomes: I'm talking in creators' hands. It's been in the wild now for a year and a half. A year? JJ Shankles: Last fall, I think. August maybe? Yeah. Jerry Gomes: Almost a year. Okay. I got I have wonderful I have a wonderful timeline. For almost JJ Shankles: Ha ha Jerry Gomes: a year. And since then, well, actually, even prior to that, we had the Prusa XL, which was a tool changer. Since then we've had Bamboo Lab come out, a bunch of other people come out, and no one has made it a priority to do this and put JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Jerry Gomes: this in software until today. And what's interesting is Creality's doing this, which means it's gonna be in Creality Slicer. JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: Not in a base orca, which means anybody else that wants to do something similar is gonna have to develop their own algorithms. Because if it's in base JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: orca slicer and everyone branches orca, everyone gets it. But if it's in creality JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: slicer, that means this is Creality's code and they're probably I don't JJ Shankles: Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what they do because they are based off of Orca Slicer and so they should be releasing this open source because they are branched off of open source s code. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But if they do Jerry Gomes: Agreed. However, for someone to for someone to take that code, they would have to they would have to basically copy the code and paste it in their slicer. JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Jerry Gomes: And 'cause you're not gonna they're not gonna branch Creality Slicer and then now start modifying Creality Slicer. So probably whatever Crawley puts in will just be copy and pasted into base orca. But JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: it Po I I guess the point I the ultimately the point I was making was this is a f this is interesting that no one has taken on this hurdle. Because I feel JJ Shankles: Yes. Jerry Gomes: like this is a wildly beneficial thing to do. This is gonna give you JJ Shankles: yes. Jerry Gomes: stronger parts, faster print times. I I I don't see JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: any reason why someone would not spend the time to do it, and I guess Crality also doesn't. JJ Shankles: Yeah. Like it seems like one of those like I understand it's complex. Like the math behind all of this is very complex, but seems worthwhile enough for them to put the time and effort to develop it to make it work. Yeah. So that's pretty cool. Jerry Gomes: Interesting. No, that's great. I did s I did see somebody on here scroll up a little bit slowly. S JJ Shankles: Yeah. So it seems like they'll do the CMYK full spectrum will be in the slicer. TPU is another really impressive part here. their specs on TPU flow rates of like getting like fifteen millimeters cubed per second on ninety-five A and then printing all the way down to like eighty A TPU reliably. so it seems like this will be the best TPU printer out there. they have this weird S drive Feeding system. Basically, they're pushing and pulling. So somehow on the pr the filament loading system will push hard enough to sort of bunch up the TPU in the PTFE tubing. So it creates this like zigzag bunched up in there. And they were like, that causes less points of friction. If you bunch up TPU in a tube and it's like just touching singular points along the Bowden tube. That's less friction than if you're just pulling on it and then it's rubbing the entire on one side of that Bowden tube. It's a long friction point. So basically it's pushing and pulling and it helps. Jerry Gomes: Interesting. I'm confident that they've done testing and found that that makes it print faster, but I'm not confident that they put a microscope on it and I'm not confident that's that might be why JJ Shankles: Yeah. It's all of this like talk. Jerry Gomes: I haven't looked into it, but that seems like a very oddly specific thing for them to just randomly know about friction and Bowden tubes and JJ Shankles: Yeah, like one of those really complex solutions or f really complex explanations of we both push and pull and it's better than just pulling, like Jerry Gomes: Mo I feel like this was a situation where an intern's like, Let's do this and it worked JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: and they're like, How do we justify that this actually worked? yeah. JJ Shankles: it's an S drive feeding system. Ooh, it's advanced. It's special. Yeah. Jerry Gomes: So I guess is that's because the 'cause the DPU looks like it's a like an inchworm. JJ Shankles: The zigzag yeah. It makes a little S in the zigzag. A lot of S's in there. That's their Jerry Gomes: A lot of SS okay, whatever. If it works, I don't really if it works, I don't care why. All I care about is that works. JJ Shankles: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: Scroll up. I saw something about reduced maintenance costs. I don't understand that. It was like twenty five percent reduced maintenance costs, I think. JJ Shankles: Yeah, here low maintenance cost. basically because the whole hot end here is really easy to swap out. Like you could sw if you could swap this entire thing for like fourteen bucks instead of I guess comparing to an entire hot end on other brands would be this much. Maybe comparing to like Jerry Gomes: Comparing okay, so instead of JJ Shankles: the U one. I don't know what the U one hot end if you needed to swap the entire thing out, it would be sixty seven. Jerry Gomes: It's not maintenance cost though. JJ Shankles: This one, it's only like fourteen per It's weird. They were like, You can replace the whole thing and I was like, Why? Like why would I why am I going to need this? And they were like, You can still unscrew the nozzle down here. It's still like a standard it's a gonna be a new unicorn nozzle. So they're still calling it unicorn, but it'll Jerry Gomes: Other JJ Shankles: be a new one that won't work with old ones, so Jerry Gomes: Can we can can can we I'll I'll I'll remove you from this. I want to make a public service announcement, JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: okay? You can choose to agree or disagree and or not at all. Crowley, I absolutely love what you're doing and I and I have been I have been a proponent of all of your hardware and software since the K1C, I'll say. but this whole like New unicorn for the K1C from the K1 all the way to the K1 Max and the K two Plus. This is not okay. This is ridiculous. And I got I mean, I'm being serious. JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: This is unnecessary, right? Like if there like if you need a new piece of hardware in order to have higher flow rates, you need to you you really should design something that is backwards compatible in some way because like JJ Shankles: Mm. Jerry Gomes: I've got three packs of nozzle or two packs of nozzles or so. I don't need I don't remember. I've got multiple different nozzles because I've got two K1Cs, a K1 Max, and K2 Plus I'm staring at right now. And and also, I'm I think the K1 or the the Creality High uses a different system as well than one of them. I I it's it's confusing. And JJ Shankles: Yeah. And that I can't tell. I can't tell which is which. Jerry Gomes: and you can't, and I'll tell you this I have I was gonna say first hand experience, but First hand from a friend, so second hand experience, someone that I know in real life, he bought the wrong nozzles and he screwed them in. And he's like, Well, it fits. The threading is the same. So let JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: me just try it anyway. And then like two days later he texted me back and he's like, My nozzle is leaking. And I was like, Yeah, well, you put the wrong nozzle in. And he's like, I JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: gotcha, but like it screwed in. I'm like, I gotcha too. This JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: is not your I mean it It's not ulti like ultimately it it's your fault, but like it's not your fault. And and this is JJ Shankles: Yeah, yeah. Jerry Gomes: like real world people this is a this is an engineer, a smart JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: guy that just made a mistake. He bought the wrong thing. And when you buy the wrong nozzle, like what is he gonna do? Return it and say that it was broken? Well, it wasn't broken. Like that's just they all need to be compatible. Like a yeah. So case closed. JJ Shankles: Yeah. It's just I got the wrong thing. Yes, I th I totally agree. Either backwards compatibility or different naming scheme. Like it should be the Unicorn V two or the Pegasus or the I don't know, name it some other Jerry Gomes: That's a that's also a fair assessment. JJ Shankles: name to be like, this is the the V V ones go with the Creality K ones, the V twos go with the K twos. The you know, if you would change generations and you need to change nozzles, that's fine. Name it clearly different things. Jerry Gomes: When I go to a gas station, I'm a sixteen year old, first time driving a car, and I go to a gas station, I pick up the diesel fuel pump and I try to stick it in my car, it won't fit. You wanna know what that tells me? That's not the right fuel for my car. Right? JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: Like it's it it's named something different and it physically won't work. Right. JJ Shankles: Whoa. I didn't realize that diesel won't fit in there. I've never actually tried it, so Jerry Gomes: Backward like you go the other way around and obviously if the diesel one is bigger, like a gasoline nozzle will fit but that's JJ Shankles: Hm. Yes, yeah. Jerry Gomes: like in some way, like a round peg shouldn't fit into a square hole. Like realistically JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: it shouldn't so I got what you're like if if if technology has improved and it physically JJ Shankles: Yes. Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: needs to look different in order for it to work better, change the thread size, for goodness sakes. Like it JJ Shankles: Yeah. Yeah. Jerry Gomes: this way it physically isn't possible. JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: Anyway, I'm done. JJ Shankles: Yeah, I do think other brands have done it well with the sort of new latch systems on things. like the SparkX I seven has a latch system on there. So you couldn't there's no screwing in anything. It's a you fit it in, you latch it in place and a different no like I can't latch on any bamboo lab nozzles. Like it's a different mechanism holding it in there. Like it Jerry Gomes: Yeah. JJ Shankles: cannot work. And that nozzle it since it doesn't screw in, I can't screw it in wrong to a different printer. Like, yeah, Jerry Gomes: Yeah. JJ Shankles: you're right, the whole i this one will only physically fit in this one. Just make it different. and it's weird that they went back to a screw mechanism and it's gonna be different here. Jerry Gomes: I love those latch mechanisms. The first time I saw one in my Flash Forge machine, I was like, in heaven. It was JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: incredibly easy to use. And I will say that I would not realistically want to go back because why? I I can't JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: tell you how many times I broke a hot end because JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: the nozzle was torqued in so hard and glued in from hot f hot fil or filament that was like g melted and glued together. It's like it doesn't matter how much you heat it up. Sometimes they just don't come off. You put a wrench JJ Shankles: Yeah, it is fused. Jerry Gomes: on there and you turn it and it doesn't come off. And you turn you you tor you torque a little harder and then you snap it in half. w and then you gotta replace the whole hot end 'cause you got bro Yeah latch. JJ Shankles: Yeah, yeah. So easy to break. Yeah. The latch is so much better. And just simple. Every time is simple. Like it's crazy. Jerry Gomes: Yeah. JJ Shankles: Yeah. cool prints that they showed off. Like they did show this like multiple TPUs is really interesting. To do all the way down to being able to get eighty f eighty A they showed. This example is eighty five, ninety, ninety five. Jerry Gomes: Mm-hmm. JJ Shankles: just 'cause it can print TPU so well. And printing, you know, different dissolvable supports or different materials, different colors. so yeah, seems like it'll be a really exciting printer. And the first one is the K3. They're gonna launch the K three. a smaller, similar to the K2 size, and then later on they'll be doing larger ones. So K three will have four. Nozzles and then later will be bigger printers with more nozzles, was all they could tell me. So that'll be exciting. Jerry Gomes: Yeah, that was gonna that was what I was gonna ask was the Cle Tech system is a design technology. It's not the Cle Tech printer, right? Is this this is JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: a system that they will be able to copy and paste onto all of their printers. And so JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: their first printer is a K three. Which JJ Shankles: Yes. Jerry Gomes: is interesting because When did the K two Plus came out? C the K two Plus came out in November of twenty twenty-four. I r or aug I received mine in October of twenty twenty-four. And then JJ Shankles: Okay. Jerry Gomes: we didn't have a K two Pro or what it K two f until sometime last year. And so it seems like the JJ Shankles: It was a long time. Yeah. Jerry Gomes: Well I was gonna say w the K two Plus came out a long time ago, but the K two ex excluding K2 Plus had a short life because the K2 JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: Pro and the K2 didn't come out that long ago. Middle summer of JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: twenty five. And the K1 had a much longer life. They had the K1, the K1C, the K1 Max, and those were spread out. They didn't release them all at once. Unless I'm going crazy here. JJ Shankles: I guess my my K two Pro video came out in August of last year, of twenty twenty five. Jerry Gomes: Yeah, so the summer of that's so so but JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: the the K two that means the K two was only a a a year before they JJ Shankles: A little bit later than that. Yeah. Jerry Gomes: less than a year before they got rid of it. And are upgrading to the K three. Interesting. JJ Shankles: Yeah. We'll be replaced by the K three. yeah. An interesting reversal here, where it'll be like the K one launched smallest and then we got the K one max. And then with the K two they did reverse to like most expensive, then down to the cheaper printers. This one they'll be going back to the ch smallest, cheapest one first, and then bigger expensive ones later on. Jerry Gomes: I feel like from business perspective, that just makes sense, right? Like release the cheap one, let people test it out, see how they like it, and then JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: if people want better, then they can choose to buy more and upgrade. Well, I'm I don't really understand why you'd release your best one first from a business perspective, because now now anyone that bought it's like, why would I want to buy another one that's lesser? JJ Shankles: Could be your most your most money making on the big one. Like it's the most marked up big Jerry Gomes: Maybe. JJ Shankles: expensive one. So being like, let's release that one first. So if anyone really wants it, do Jerry Gomes: You're forced to buy it. JJ Shankles: they want to start with the they want a K3? Well, do you want to wait for the cheaper model or just buy the expensive one right now? kind of your more money making Jerry Gomes: I gotcha. That makes sense. JJ Shankles: side of things. Could be. I don't know. Like there's a lot of and technology is they could have just had this one developed first. for the the bigger one will Jerry Gomes: That's fair. JJ Shankles: have more nozzles, more math, more algorithms, all these things. Jerry Gomes: Fair. Fair fair fair. Interesting. Well, we've reached the end of the podcast. JJ Shankles: Yes. Jerry Gomes: this I feel like this is one of the hottest things right now. I I I spent in my email a few times and actually talking to you now, this is like very this is very interesting. I'm I'm excited for this one. but yeah, so we've reached the end of the podcast, guys. Let us know in the comment section down below what you think about the KleTech system, what you wanna see in the K three. and if you haven't, make sure you subscribe and ring the bell because we post every single Friday at nine AM. yeah. JJ Shankles: Yep. We'll see you next week. Jerry Gomes: Yep, we'll see you next week. Bye guys. JJ Shankles: Bye.