JJ Shankles: Welcome to another episode of the CoEtrusion Podcast. Hey Jerry, how you doing? Jerry Gomes: Man, I'm doing good. I'm doing very good. JJ Shankles: Doing good. Yeah, I'm doing good. I got another new printer working on. It's that time again. Jerry Gomes: Shocker, another one. JJ Shankles: This time it's the Creator Five Pro. So the upgraded, fully enclosed version of the Creator Five. and it's a pretty good printer. for the upgrade, I could see the upgrade being worth it here of like an enclosed four head tool changer three D printer is pretty cool to print like full, you know, full multicolor Jerry Gomes: Mm. Yeah, yeah. JJ Shankles: prints in ABS now. So I just have to order multiple colors of ABS because I only had black, white and grey. 'Cause I just don't print much ABS at all. Like I've got enclosed printers, I Jerry Gomes: I JJ Shankles: just don't do it. Like Jerry Gomes: I see a lot of value in having the top hat on a multi tool headed printer. And JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: I know so I I know with the Bontec index being attached to the PrusaCore one, there's other multiple tool head machines that are enclosed now. However, off the shelf affordable printers. Is this the f is the Crater Five Pro the first one? I think yes. JJ Shankles: Yes. The Snapmaker U one is has an enclosure. Jerry Gomes: So the Snapmaker U one well, okay, the Snapmaker U one had JJ Shankles: But it's like an add on, like Jerry Gomes: an enclosure planned direct from Snapmaker, but have they ever released it? I know BQ actually released an encl a lid for the U One. JJ Shankles: yeah, on their website it's listed as pre order. I have one, but I don't have the U1 anymore. They're sending me a production unit for it. so they have shipped it. We saw this we saw it at Rapid T C T up in Boston and I do have one here. but it is listed as just pre order. So I don't know if like actual Jerry Gomes: Yeah. JJ Shankles: they're shipping it con to consumers right now. Jerry Gomes: Well, I know b at the very least I know BQ has a a top hat for the Snapmaker U one. But still, JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: the Creator Five Pro I'm looking at it right now, pre order is eight hundred and fifty dollars. The Snapmaker JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: U one, incredible deal. I it was h I I rem I don't remember the exact price, but still you'd have to add the top hat price on it. I don't know how much top hat is. So I think it comes over eight fifty. Yeah. JJ Shankles: Yeah. Currently the U one is eight fifty. Yeah. So they're the same price without the top hat. And they say the top hat is a hundred and fifty extra. So Yeah. Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: That's pretty expensive. So you're up so you're up to a thousand, which the U1 is the longest standing multi tool well, hold on. Hold on, can we take a step back here? I don't wanna I don't wanna offend the Prusa purists here. The JJ Shankles: Yes, yeah. Jerry Gomes: Snapmaker U1 is the longest standing, generally affordable, widely used multi tool endprint. So So yeah. JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. S Yes, sub a thous sub fifteen hundred dollar tool changer printer. Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: The extra 150 bucks for the the the lid might you might st yeah, I I still see I I see value in that. But JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: 150 for the or eight hundred and fifty for the crater five pro. I saw the Crater 5 Pro in person when I was in Shanghai. They had JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: multiple of them side by side. The quality on it was great. The the tool head docking system. I think the difference is the tool head docking system is a little slower than Snapmaker's. JJ Shankles: Hm, yeah. Jerry Gomes: So it seems like it ta like Snapmaker's definitely in in in the lead there, but like I mean JJ Shankles: Yeah. They're very close. Like it's it's one of those like it's within a second or two of each other. and I feel like with they're all always arguing of with this it's a second faster here or second faster and I'm like, they're fast. They're all really fast. Like Yeah. Of Jerry Gomes: Okay, it's a lot faster than rolling and unwinding and then rewind yeah. JJ Shankles: if this one's four seconds and this one's five and a half seconds, it's like It's good. I don't know. I I don't like nitpicking Jerry Gomes: It's good no. Yeah. No, you're right. JJ Shankles: here and there. When a firmware update could totally change who's in the lead. Like they're both very fast. Like Jerry Gomes: That's true. But so anyway, you can now print ABS though, which JJ Shankles: But now multicolor ABS is really fun and Jerry Gomes: Valuable. JJ Shankles: really cool option here. I do feel like the print quality on here is not as good. Like there's call vertical fine artifacts or just like a a surface texture to the prints that's like not there on the Snapmaker. And it's the same on the Creator 5 and the Creator 5 Pro. Like it prints well. Like I can print these full articulated multicolor things. But the if you like really zoom in on the silk or just basic filaments, it's like it's not perfectly smooth. Like it's not a bamboo labs have perfected like if you print a flat Jerry Gomes: yeah. JJ Shankles: wall, it looks like a flat wall. Like it is perfectly smooth. Jerry Gomes: It's dialed. JJ Shankles: It's dialed in. And this one just does not feel dialed in. Their slicer is very much they cloned Orca Slicer and slapped their name on it. Uh-huh. But I feel like they just like they just didn't Jerry Gomes: Which which is which is Bog standard at this point, right? You're not gonna get anything different, right? That's that's just how it is. JJ Shankles: tune it. They didn't put that little bit of software spice to it. And we'll see. In six months could they have upgraded 'cause the Snapmaker U one came out and it was very like, this software's a little underbaked and they've been working Jerry Gomes: Mm-hmm. Yeah. JJ Shankles: on it for a year now, so it's way better now. of all the features they've added software wise. this one, the to change filaments, the fact that you have to like grab each tool head and squeeze the filament cutter manually to cut the filament. And I'm a strong dude and it's sometimes really Jerry Gomes: Really? JJ Shankles: hard. Yeah. You have to manually reach in there, grab the tool head and squeeze the little thing. It won't it won't grab it and bump it. No. Jerry Gomes: That's that's not when you There's not like a button on the f fr firmware on the screen to say like unload tool three and it like heats up and then JJ Shankles: y y if you t when you tell it to unload, it tells you just shows you a d paragraph of like, grab the thing, squeeze this lever in towards the tool head to cut the filament off, and then manually Jerry Gomes: I mean JJ Shankles: pull it out. Jerry Gomes: certainly that's the same as the creator five. There's nothing new here between the five and the five pro. JJ Shankles: It's the same on both of them. Like both of do not bump to cut it. you have to Jerry Gomes: I didn't know that. That's like that's so JJ Shankles: reach in there. And it's one of those where it's like, sometimes I don't know if the cutter just isn't sharp. And they're brand new. Like it's I have not used this printer all that much. But sometimes the filament is just like really hard to squeeze it hard enough to cut it. Like and I'm Jerry Gomes: Well JJ Shankles: I'm a strong fit dude. It's weird that I'm feeling like it's kind of difficult. I could see some people really struggling with reaching up and over and inside the machine and squeezing it. Like it's just a weird quirk. Yeah. Jerry Gomes: That just doesn't make sense. That's like that's what I don't understand about these massive like corporations. How I I mean, f okay, Flashforge is obviously not as big as Creality or Bamboo, but I don't JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Jerry Gomes: understand how a company that is as big as FlashForge has firmware coming from a software background myself, I could integrate that. With all of the APIs they've certainly built in the printer, I could integrate that with the UI button in like JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: two like l an hour JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: or less. It I mean, it's not hard. JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Th that one should be unless it just can't do it. Like it can't like they didn't put the hardware in for it to bump have somewhere to bump into to do the cutting. Which is wild that they didn't do it. The other issue is when you doing the flip side of loading it, each one you have to manually load. So you push the filament in, squeeze it, push it in, release. And then you tell it to load the filament. And it takes it, it heats up, it extrudes a little bit, and then it docks it again. You can't say, like on the Snapmaker, you can say load all four of these. Cause I've I've manually put them in, go through and do the extruding a little bit of each color. With this one you have to do each one at a time and wait the couple minutes for it to do the whole process. It's just like put a batch function. Every review every reviewer said on the Creator Five, this should be a batch function. Just copy what Snapmaker Jerry Gomes: Yeah. JJ Shankles: did. Jerry Gomes: I guess since I haven't used the Creator Five or the Five Pro personally, I guess I didn't realize it didn't have a a smash against the wall thing. But JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: I guess that I so I it doesn't make sense. But I understand they if the intent is to only ever have four colors in, then I like I see why but like yeah, it it just needs a r a place to ram up against. So like literally I you could install like a thick headed screw JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: and it just needs to hit that like it's on JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: the there are machines where there's 3D printed blocks. Like on certain machines that are that are like trying to think what what what the machine was. I think it was my gosh the M1 what what printer what what company made the M1 Artillery. Artillery made an JJ Shankles: yeah. Jerry Gomes: one Pro. It looked like it was it's a fully enclosed, it like actually purges out the back and everyone thought it was JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: gonna be a multicolor machine. Well, everyone for whoever follows artillery. But JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: I'm pretty sure that was the machine that came in the package with a three D printed block that I had to screw in. And that was what actually JJ Shankles: Hmm. Jerry Gomes: rammed and actually did the unloading. And this is a single tool head machine that doesn't have an AMS. It's just for JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: pure convenience of the user. Like No. JJ Shankles: And just like every printer does that, every printer has a block somewhere that you bump into and this one just didn't put that in of like Yeah. Jerry Gomes: Doesn't That's just a weird oversight. Like I I don't understand that because With a clipper based machine, you you it you could I mean you could literally build that in as a macro in as a as a a JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. It'd be a simple macro. Jerry Gomes: clipper macro. It doesn't even have to be in the firmware. Well you okay, you I mean you could have a button on screen that just calls a clipper macro and then whenever JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: you slice, it puts that or well, I guess it wouldn't be when you slice because you're only using four colors, but y you get what I mean. Like unload, call the clipper macro. JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Yeah. The unload button, do this instead of just displaying a screen that tells me to do it myself. Like it's pretty Jerry Gomes: It's just weird. JJ Shankles: funny when you click the unload button and it's like you do it and it's like, Jerry Gomes: Yeah. JJ Shankles: okay, fine, I will. Like Yeah yeah yeah. Jerry Gomes: Yeah, yeah. Okay, so I digressed from that. Sorry, Snap or sorry, Flash Forge. I d but I mean I'm I'm not sorry, but so I digress from that. So I'm looking JJ Shankles: No, we can say what we were on. Jerry Gomes: at the website. Supported filaments with enclosure. This probably has a little bit of fluff added to it. JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: But obviously you've got your ABS and your your ASA and your whatever. But you could do nylon CF, nylon or nylon CF, you can do ASA C F A S A Glassfill, but here's the here's the big one. I don't know what S P A H T F is, but P A H T F is like super I know that one is like really, really high temp. PPS, PPA, P E T Those are some bold claims. JJ Shankles: P V A? P V A? Like These are some weird numb letters here. I didn't know there was this many filaments out there. Jerry Gomes: I've seen PAHT I think JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: P I think b so I'm pretty sure that's one of those that's like super high engineering grade material, and I think it's one of the mol like the couple hundred per roll. But JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: so I see Eligu that so that might not be entirely accurate. I see Elegou has a sixty dollar roll, but is it a kilogram or what is it? So that one is a kilogram. So some of these names I'm recognizing as as names that st I remember as pretty pretty tough materials. But I r I don't know what they are, right? So JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: point is like these are bold claims 'cause I JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: who's g who's gonna use PPS carbon fiber on a Crater five pro? JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: Did they even test that? JJ Shankles: Is polycarbonate on there? No, I don't see PC on there, which is weird. Jerry Gomes: PPS. So fiber so polymaker fibron. I went to the PPS PPS CF ten, half a kilogram, seventy bucks. So it's a hundred and forty dollars for a whole roll. And one of the photos JJ Shankles: Oof. Yeah. Jerry Gomes: is a exhaust, a car exhaust tip. Right? JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: So like I mean you should be able to I I JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: I I guess I'll step back and I'll say engineering can tell you on paper what you're capable of printing in terms of temperatures, JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: in terms of chamber temperatures and or so nozzle chamber and bed temperatures, right? So JJ Shankles: Yes. Jerry Gomes: engineering can tell you that and then if you look at all the materials that say, you can print within these parameters, like I guess you can make those claims without actually testing them. But JJ Shankles: And it's alwa th that section is always a Jerry Gomes: It's just curious. I wonder if they did or didn't. JJ Shankles: bit of an exaggeration, I feel like, with most brands. Jerry Gomes: Marketing. JJ Shankles: yeah, marketing. That that specific section on most printers where they're like, this can print ABS and you're like, It's an open air printer. Like, what do you mean? We talk about this like Yeah. Jerry Gomes: Yeah, w we I think we had this conversation like last week or something. It's open air. Like yeah, I can print ABS if I build a custom enclosure. Yeah. But that means I can't because I don't have a custom enclosure. JJ Shankles: Yeah. Can meaning like, yeah, it can melt it or it's gonna destroy itself. I don't know. But being able to print ABS multicolor is really cool. Or using multiple materials of ABS with a P E T G support structure or something that there won't stick together so you can still pull apart is really cool. Jerry Gomes: Mm-hmm. JJ Shankles: Their in their air dry box is also pretty interesting. The V D S. They haven't released a price yet, so that'll be interesting what they price it at 'cause it's a pretty basic dry box. It just sits next to the printer and instead of having your four spools mounted on the side of the printer, it's just sitting in a little dry box, which is a lot easier to like move around and contain everything. Yeah. Jerry Gomes: It's a print from dry box though, because you've got four roll so the four rolls are all in one box. JJ Shankles: Yes, it's all in one box in two different chambers. So there's two chambers to it, but there's no motor, there's no mechanism at all in there. Jerry Gomes: Is it is it spring wound so JJ Shankles: There's nothing. It's not doing any retracting or advancing. Like it's Yeah, you're not changing it's not changing any materials. It's just a dry Jerry Gomes: yeah, yeah. You're right, 'cause you're not you're not changing material on one tool head. What JJ Shankles: box that talks to your machine so it can get the value from it. Jerry Gomes: RFID. JJ Shankles: There's no RFIDs on d anything. On this printer at all. There's no RFIDs. I know. Jerry Gomes: Then what is it talking to the printer about? JJ Shankles: It's one of those like, why does it need to talk to the printer? I do know on the screen you can tell it what humidity you want it to stay at. So you say if it gets Mm. Jerry Gomes: you set the temperatures from the from the machine instead of setting the temperature from the box. JJ Shankles: Yeah. But there is controls on the box still. So I haven't used it that much, but it's like still kind of a weird look why does it really need to talk to the printer here? But it gives you a little display Jerry Gomes: So JJ Shankles: on the screen and you can tell it to if it gets to sixty percent humidity, then dry until it gets to here. So kind of like an auto dry setting to it, so it'll keep your filament dry. Jerry Gomes: That's nice. JJ Shankles: is kinda nice. And Jerry Gomes: Is it like the space pie X four? You said it's two chambers, so it's like two lids that flip up and JJ Shankles: Mm. Yes, yeah. Two separate lids, so you Jerry Gomes: It's just it's interesting that like it seems like it's over engineered because I I I understand wanting it to talk to the printer because JJ Shankles: Mm. Jerry Gomes: I it gives you more cap I mean, not that they're ever gonna use it, but if it can talk to the printer, that means you can JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: tell your print to pause if you get above a certain humidity and completely JJ Shankles: Mm. Jerry Gomes: unnecessary over engineered things. But really the the main the main thing there is the same reason that The what's gosh. What's JJ Shankles: The Jerry Gomes: the printer that it's sitting on my desk in the other room. It had the That's what I'm trying to think. Any cubic is the any cubic dry JJ Shankles: Reality, what brand? any cubic, okay, yeah. Jerry Gomes: box that has that connects to the printer as well. JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: But you can't control the dry box or you can't control the the the machine you can't control it from the box itself. You can only control it from the printer. JJ Shankles: yeah. Jerry Gomes: Which I kind of understand, right? So you're saving the JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: fact you're saving the screen. There's no screen hardware on there. JJ Shankles: Mm. Jerry Gomes: There's no input controls on the actual eight the it's an eight the eighty cubic ace whatever. JJ Shankles: Yes, ace pro or whatever, yeah. I think. This one Jerry Gomes: So it sounds like what you're JJ Shankles: does have a screen and three buttons on it, so you can operate it separately, which is a nice I like that better than the other ones where you can't operate it separately. So it is like even if I did get rid of the Creator Five Pro in the future, but I wanted to keep this dry box, it's like it still works as a dry box on any other printer. Jerry Gomes: So it's powered separately as well? Like most of the most so yeah, most of these machines are powered separately. JJ Shankles: Yeah, it's got a separate power cord. and three buttons is all you really need to operate it. Jerry Gomes: Hmm. JJ Shankles: but there's that bit of communication which is like weird. I don't know I feel like it if it can come in at a good price point. Like if it could be a hundred bucks or something. I know I know Jerry Gomes: No way. Not a shot. JJ Shankles: there's no maybe a hundred fifty. I don't know. If it's a Jerry Gomes: Not a shot. JJ Shankles: Whatever what is an AMS two priced at? Jerry Gomes: The cre so what you're suggesting to me is this is a this is a clone of the Crowdi Space Pie X four and the Space Pie JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: X four light or whatever the cheap one is is X4L. my. JJ Shankles: one twenty right now. It's on sale for one twenty. Jerry Gomes: Yeah, the Space Pie X4L is $120. JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: And it doesn't communicate to a printer. JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: Which I actually find more v I feel like that's more valuable than the one that 'cause then it definitely is a hundred percent standalone. However, JJ Shankles: Yeah. Yeah. Maybe a hundred and fifty. If it could come in at a hundred and fifty, but if they're selling it at three hundred, like an AMS two or something, it'll be Jerry Gomes: You'll never JJ Shankles: no, no way, not worth it. Jerry Gomes: So I'm think not now now that I'm thinking about this, like if what you're telling me is that the dry box for this Trader Five Pro is for all intents and purposes a duplicate of a Space Pie X four. JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Jerry Gomes: There's no motors, there's no control, there's no it's a just a straight print from mechanical box. JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: Why would I not buy a Space Pie X four? Why would I not buy an iBoss polyphemus? JJ Shankles: Yeah. that's a great question. I don't have an answer for you with them sitting here. If I didn't have th Uh-huh. Jerry Gomes: Because so you have to plug that thing into the printer and plug it into the wall. JJ Shankles: Into the wall. And the print it plugging into the printer is only this like auto keeping things dry. But that's a function of every standalone dry box. Jerry Gomes: If you had an RFID if you had an RFID reader, I wouldn't think it's valuable and like JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: for it to be 150 bucks valuable. However, at least it makes sense. Well, I don't want to tie my box to my printer just for the sake of doing that. Like, that doesn't make sense. JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: So does it work if you unplug that like if you unplug it from the printer, will it function? JJ Shankles: I think so. Jerry Gomes: So it is truly standalone. JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm, yeah. It just gets a little more Jerry Gomes: Okay. At least there's that. JJ Shankles: data and a little more control that you get on the printer when it is connected. Jerry Gomes: I'm I'm gonna be honest, like right now in my dry box career, JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: the SpacePie X four is really, really, really hard to beat. It gets JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: hot, it has a very good user interface, it has a lot of customizability, it's JJ Shankles: Mm. Jerry Gomes: got dual chamber heating, it looks good. Technically you can upgrade the firmware on it. I don't think Crowley has updated the firmware ever JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: since the a month after release, but it can be firmware upgradable. I if I have a standalone dry box that doesn't communicate to the printer, which I'm I know you said this one does, but like JJ Shankles: But why? Yeah. Jerry Gomes: My vote is for the Space Pie X four JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: especially because I'm looking at it right now on Creality's website, the Space Pie X four L, a hundred and nineteen dollars. JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: And you earn twenty three points per two US dollars Creality coins. I don't know what you do with them, but you'd earn JJ Shankles: Yeah, corrality coins. You darn But yeah, it's such a the connected features I haven't really seen it being that worth it. Maybe there's some magic feature that I haven't found yet. But it's such a if they can sell it at a competitive price, I could see, yeah, sure, get this one, not the Space Pie. But if they can't, Jerry Gomes: W I'll I'll say this, if we JJ Shankles: then I would r yeah, totally recommend the Space Pie. Jerry Gomes: Yeah. I if we as much as as much as I like I'm the guy that hunts out the deal, even from a JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: no-name brand, from a you've never heard of it. Doesn't matter if it's a better product, it's a better product. Price doesn't matter. You can have a cheaper product, it's better. That's that's the kind of guy I am. However, I do recognize if you want something to go mainstream, you have to have companion accessories, whether JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: they are better or worse. They could be worse, but For it to go mainstream and for my neighbor to buy his eight year old daughter a 3D printer, JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: you might he's not he I mean, he's not gonna use the printer himself. It's just for the daughter. You JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: probably need it to be as natively integrated as possible, even if it means you pay less and strip out some features. I I think from a from an engineering perspective, you shouldn't do that, but Is what it is, right? So the fact JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: that it's offered is still good. I I I think it is valuable to offer the product. JJ Shankles: Yes, yeah. 'Cause it is nice how it is. another benefit to it, and this is pretty small, is that the screen is on the side of it. So it's really meant to be mounted it's sort of s a long ways next to the printer. Instead of the screen being on the long side of the printer. It's on the end of the printer, of the dry box. So it's sort of more compact s put in right next to the printer. Jerry Gomes: That actually JJ Shankles: You know. Jerry Gomes: so as as I don't necessarily think that's valuable for me. However, I will say, I have used a dry box that JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: was from Chido Systems. I think it was the Chido JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: Systems, it might have also been the X4. Chido Systems. the E1. Sorry, the Chido Systems E1. That was the weirdest. dry box I have ever used in my life. However, if you have depth space on your countertop or on your table, but you don't have width space, that box is JJ Shankles: Mm, yeah. Jerry Gomes: really good because the screen is the same as what you're describing now. The screen is on the side. And so you can have four spools being dried at once in a kind of a vertical orientation rather than a horizontal orientation. JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: now I would not recommend that dry box But sometimes you mu sometimes you have to use accessories based off your based off like the footprint of your JJ Shankles: Yeah. The space you have. It looks like a cool box of like that each Jerry Gomes: So it's just cheaply made. JJ Shankles: Yes, it looks like a cool idea of the whole sideways you sort of dock your box on there and it dries it and then you undock the box and it's keeps dry. Like Jerry Gomes: It's cool that you can it's not airtight. So you can pick the box up JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: and like move it wherever you want. And that's awesome. But JJ Shankles: Yeah. Yeah. Jerry Gomes: you you can't store it because it's not airtight. But JJ Shankles: It's Jerry Gomes: if you're using it for not airtight storage, then maybe JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: you could buy more of those things and set them JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: But it it's it it goes along with the same thing that you're saying now, how JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: the screen is oriented differently. So some sometimes a product JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: is also valuable to purchase just because it's physically designed different. Same capa JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: l lesser capabilities even, but like the location of the screen could be important to like one out of every ten people. JJ Shankles: Yes, yeah. To be like, this one is slightly more functional and it comes with the same brand name. Like if you can sell it at this at the similar price point, not undercutting, but similar price point, it's got the Flash Forge name. So people who buy the Creator Five will be like, this would be a nice dry box to have to go with my printer So they'll buy this one. and it's a fine dry box. Like it a two chamber dry box is really nice. But back to the crew Jerry Gomes: I would I would say modernly if you're not buying four spool dryers JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: and at the very least two heated chambers, you probably should look for another box because I mean it does save it does save power usage over time by drying multiple spools at once instead of having it saves power and it saves just JJ Shankles: Hmm. Yeah. Jerry Gomes: power cords, outlet space. It's I mean, and most people that are getting into 3D printing have more than one spool. So like just because JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: you don't think this spool must be dried right now, if you need JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: to dry that one, chuck that one chuck this one in anyway for for material maintenance. Because JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: I in my experience, and I know this is not about dryer boxes, but JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: Course I'm turning it into that. In my experience, if you maintain filament and dry it enough as as before it gets bad, you can typically prolong its life. Whereas if filament gets too brittle, you could have it could never recover. Or JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: you could see what some people have seen online where their spool just literally just explodes, which JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: has happened kind of to me. Not not as bad as like to people on Reddit, but I've had filling it never be recoverable, so just force bull dryers with the way to go. I do have a question for you. Okay. So I know you had something else, so I'll get this quick. JJ Shankles: Mm. Drybox are nice, yeah. the other yes, what would your question? Yeah. Jerry Gomes: I see on the Creator 5 Pro at the bottom, it also has door detection. So the front door and top cover, good or bad? I ha I've experienced with the core one. JJ Shankles: The front door, I mean I it's not a problem. It's just every time I come to get the print off, you open it and then like the screen goes to the error message of like door is open. I'm like, yeah, it was me. So so far I haven't had any issues. It's just a funny thing that every time I open it it's like, the door is open. It's like Jerry Gomes: Does it pause the print when you open it? JJ Shankles: I haven't no, it doesn't pause the print when it's opened. Jerry Gomes: Okay. JJ Shankles: I don't think it even turns the light on. Jerry Gomes: So what's the point? JJ Shankles: 'Cause it doesn't turn the light off. Like I'd like on the H two D by Bamboo Lab where the light will be off and then I open the door and the light turns on in there. And it's like super functional. Like that's great. This one. Yeah. Uh-huh. Jerry Gomes: I like that. That's good. Cause I don't want to turn the light on and off, because that actually is very annoying. JJ Shankles: Yeah, you open it and it tells you that the door is open. So I it could be useful if it ever does accidentally open and you're doing an ABS print. Like it needs to tell you, but so far I haven't found a useful functionality. It's not been annoying, Jerry Gomes: That JJ Shankles: but not been useful. Jerry Gomes: If you're doing something with chamber heating, it would be good to pause the print if it opens JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: when you have the chamber heater on, or if the chamber JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: heater or if the chamber falls below the recommended temp, or turning the lights on as you say, like I s I I see a lot of very good value in a simple sensor like that, but you JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: could really mess it up if you do like what Prusa does and pause the print every time, or just JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: make me pay extra by putting this in and not doing anything with it. JJ Shankles: Mhm. And so far it's just been a notification of like on the screen. Not even like I don't know where it's sending. I don't use the app or anything. but what Jerry Gomes: Nice. JJ Shankles: I was gonna say is the top hat, it is really nice how easy it is to remove. Like you just pick it up, set it next to for like you have to get to the tool heads a lot when changing filament. And initially I was trying to Jerry Gomes: yes. JJ Shankles: reach up and around to them And it's like, you can just take the top hat off. Like you just pop it off, put it down, and now it's really easy to access everything versus some other brand like the and I don't know actually how the Snapmaker I the Snapmaker U one has like a front door to get to the tool heads on the top hat. but I don't know if the whole lid is easy to lift off like this one is. 'Cause it's Jerry Gomes: I think the lid it just fits into the buttons on the top not buttons, but like the divots JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: on the top of the machine. I think it just rests in. I'm not sure if it's magnetically connected or what, but I think it's as simple as lifting it off. JJ Shankles: The 'cause the U one has fans up in the top hat though. Like there's like a filter and a fan part to it. Jerry Gomes: I didn't know that. It probably JJ Shankles: At least I remember at at the convention we saw it. Jerry Gomes: I see it now that you're saying that, but I think It u it appears like there's push push pins on the on the side of the or on the pogo pins, yeah. I don't know if JJ Shankles: so if they're pogo pins, that could be Yeah. Jerry Gomes: that's true, I just but I do see that on the on the on that top hat. I didn't realize that at first. JJ Shankles: Yeah. So I don't know exactly side by side the differences between these or you know, if it is easy to take off as well, then it's weird that they put a door on it. You know, like Jerry Gomes: Maybe that's for like opening the door if you are just gonna print with PLA so you don't have to remove the top hat. JJ Shankles: Yeah, like super simple. Jerry Gomes: Yeah. Hmm. Well that's cool. JJ Shankles: Could be. yeah. Jerry Gomes: I got I got emails about the Crater Five Pro. I need to get back with them because this is one I'm interested in trying. JJ Shankles: Yeah. Yeah, it's like a it's a decent printer. The hardware is nice. It feels cheap in some ways of like the door's plastic, the top hats plastic. It's very plasticky to hit this price point. And the software I do feel like is holding it back. Of like the slicer g has pop ups and tells you to you should update your Snapmaker f er Flashforge M1 or something and I'm like, I haven't turned that printer on in two years. Like why are you giving me pop-ups in your slicer? Jerry Gomes: Yeah. FlashForge has always suffered from some of that, and I'm not saying it's right, but they've always suffered from that because I think their consumer products are a little they're there's a smaller market for them, so in order JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Jerry Gomes: for them to reach prices that they can sell to, they have to I don't wanna say cut corners, but sell a little bit of a cheaper product here and there. Firmware is one of them, I agree. It's like it's JJ Shankles: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Jerry Gomes: like cheaty. Some people just can't seem to JJ Shankles: Yeah. Jerry Gomes: They just can't seem to Make that one sprint. It's good. JJ Shankles: It's that little bit of polish that I think would do so much good for it. That I think it's like Jerry Gomes: Yeah. JJ Shankles: it's ninety-five percent there. And to me, hardware is so diff would be so difficult to design and manufacture and ship across the world and software is like, that's a one person, give him an afternoon and he could implement this. Like But yeah. Those are my thoughts. Jerry Gomes: I know. I know. Hmm. But anyway. We've we've reached the end. Unfortunately. It's sad. I know. But guys, we have a lot of other podcasts on the channel. You can find them. If you subscribe to us, hit that bell. We post every Friday. leave some comments down below. Let us know what you think about the Creator 5 Pro. JJ Shankles: Yes, let us know what you think, and we will see you next week. See ya. Jerry Gomes: Yep. See you there guys. Bye. JJ Shankles: Bye.