Sina: Hello and welcome back to Nichtein die Frau. I'm Sina and I'm here with my dearest co-host Alina. We're forward to you. Alina, are you?

Alina: Hello! Oh, yes. Life is stressful. But that's how it is. How are you? What's new?

Sina: Hey. Yeah, totally. Oh, it's very... I don't want to keep talking it, but it's pretty exhausting right now. I was really sick When I sick, I'm always one day or one half days. I feel like my body knows... Or, yeah, my body knows, it can't be because otherwise...

Alina: I am.

Sina: I can't anything anymore. And I'm one day with really high fever. I'm feeling so bad. had a of in I don't know, lot cramps. I didn't any cough or snuff. I don't know, an infection. don't know. And then it's really dirty. And then... But since today, one day later, feel little better. Not 100 % but I will definitely some work done. It's like a natural law of every independent On the day when it really dirty and have a lot of... I it's just lot of Yesterday I thought, can't think all my customers have at time that something was super important and something had to be It's really like a natural law. It the last three months and really in the moment where you can't do everything together. But yes, now actually everything fine. We are extremely lucky because Carlos' moved in for two weeks. Because, which is also very nice, she child. And now it's watch out! She doesn't have much as in Germany, two, three, maybe four weeks. She has time from 25 to 6. So, mega long.

Alina: Chris.

Sina: really awesome and that the Spanish summer holidays. They have mega long summer holidays anyway. for the children, really really annoying for the adults. And that's a public kindergarten and that's why they have these public holidays. And we are super happy that we this kindergarten because it's super good and super cheap compared to private kindergartens. But you have to live with that you these closing times. And we manage to We it done until September. In this situation, Carlos' is for two weeks. She took a vacation to move To take of Mara during the when we work. Which I can't deny. I think we all have... Limiting the holiday days and that someone takes two weeks off to work here with you, because it's just care work and I her extremely. Of course, also being her grandchildren. course, she says all time that it's the most beautiful and so on, but it's definitely also bone job. Then we continue to her to a private kindergarten I it that because I have to get used to but we can't any Then we a vacation. Carlos took a vacation, then he overworked, then I little vacation and then we are in Germany with my parents and then they until September. We can do it, but also really crazy.

Alina: But is it then, so how do you that then? So are you in the co-working space or office? I don't how Carlos is, but you're not at home, When Mara and Carlos' are

Sina: Good point. Normally I always to the co-working space. I was at the co-working space and usually I with Carlos. But now that my mom is I have to stay at home because we in a stupid old house where we a lift that doesn't all the way down. So we have to... Yeah, I I was so trepidly often and I'm also to come as I am a nice meeting them. Kinderwagen had house in will I'm a farm on Spaziergang to Machen. Brauchte hat I've been my health. Yeah, I was actually my health and I'm not going to come. It's a Carlos. King's on our line. I mean, we can then also, I can't maldi. They the car and the little on their arms. But that's always very awkward. But we don't to encourage that. That's it's always needed someone at who helps the car down. A really stupid reason. But it's like that. And I that very exhausting. Because... I don't know, if Mara in the kindergarten, she's in the kindergarten. and she's mentally in the nursery and here at when I walk and she sees me and then I I have to reject her, that I say I don't time for you or maybe I her two minutes on my arm and give her up again and it's super frustrating that mom She then just again and and it would actually easier if she just doesn't see me. During this time. And you how shitty I guilty every time I think, okay, I'm going to a cold. I definitely have to that. As I said, my customers are all leaving. I still have to lot of And no idea, she shouts at me because she me around the and so on. And feel really dirty.

Alina: Yeah, yeah, that's close.

Sina: I about I know that I'm mom and to be but that's just the at the moment. My daughter wants to with me and I have to say no. So I'm struggling with the idea that I'm to the co-working space and he stays Because she's a mammitis, that's it Spanish. So my mom is it.

Alina: Mm-hmm, cool.

Sina: Everything is very interesting. As you said, life is life. Okay, but we time for our podcast. The little is already in bed. I out some cool stories again. Do want to?

Alina: No, yeah.

Sina: Let's go. I a lot about my life, also about my relationship to make-up. As a teenager I started to wear to my appearance, to more beautiful and to the traditional beauty standards, after I my whole childhood. At the of 20s rarely went without make-up, until I a job where I very early and then I stopped to wear because I prefer longer. Now, at the my 20s, I'm actually okay life without makeup. But I for special occasions, lectures and so on. I am completely aware that I makeup to social beauty standards and that this is reason why I better I also get compliments when I wear it, which I enjoy. But lately I've been with feeling that I the patriarchy by wearing makeup. Because the style I wear serves to these standards Sometimes I want completely accept not to and of course to be, because men will that either. Why me? On the hand, I that we in a society in which sometimes you along the system in order to in a certain way. Unfortunately. And I also if we start make-up critics, what is the point of styling wearing outfits that I like, and so on? Does anyone any ideas or tips on how to deal this?

Alina: So topic is pretty privileged. We've a little

Sina: Yes, always up again. So very interesting question that you ask. So I it very exciting and I also myself a lot in her again. I to say, for example, I myself very much again in her progress in makeup. That you start a bit as teenager Often because you also a teenager

Alina: Hmm.

Sina: often feel Many have acne or just don't the they would to look. And then it was the with me. At 18, 19, 20, as a teenager, young 20, I always makeup on. I think I had a phase where I said, I really without Makeup uncomfortable and I don't at all if I any guy or some friends with big un-makeup. So I definitely this phase where I extremely ugly But then it the age, so from 25 to now today that I do it like her. My default is actually not wearing I'm already not makeup, but I do makeup. That's true. I don't a problem walking down the street or in in the co-working space to up friends when I'm not wearing makeup. But I also like to put which I relatively natural. And I notice that when I put and look in I think to myself, wow, looks good. Looks fresh. Yes, it is.

Alina: Yeah. Mmm.

Sina: What I hear.

Alina: So it's actually totally un-makeup, that's definitely... ...actually almost never the case with me, I have to say.

Sina: Okay.

Alina: But I think the big difference between you and me is that I struggle since I can And I don't I don't really any... I probably to real makeup, I don't that anymore. It's become less and less, it's definitely become it's become more caring. And I also that the makeup doesn't make better. It might one or the but somehow it's just like that. or maybe a darker eye line. I don't to eyes, but darker shadows under the eyes. That can happen when the nights are very short. I basically short. And I think... Well... I feel comfortable with a little bit makeup, because I feel like I more And now summer it's a bit different, so I it out.

Sina: Hmm.

Alina: because the weather is so much nicer. The sun and everything around you. I don't know if it different if I in another country, would warmer. Maybe it I even suggest that.

Sina: Yeah.

Alina: But there were times when I was lot more, Not so but with men, when I really thought I have to wake up and look like... I don't know. know. I it when I younger. I thought, who am I? I'm just a human being. My skin gets worse if I don't put makeup, just because I my boyfriend, just so he has a woman the who like a little And that's also what me about series, about certain series. They're still so feminist, but they makeup. There's not a single actress who doesn't makeup. mean, light, light does everything, camera light does everything a little bit. So, I think you little bit bler in real life, but I don't There so many series that tell yes, be who you are and so on, and in the end they are just like that, because they put makeup, with smooth perfect hair in bed and are just awake. is maybe one strand that not really lying, but they always great. And that's what And that's what makes this shift for men, who it and everything else is strange. So I just to healthy and that means my case to take of to put makeup and to with clean skin.

Sina: Yeah.

Alina: And not just with makeup on, because that's just for my skin at all and I would look even worse afterwards. And I this mistake way often, where I I trying to an illusion right. Illusion in quotation marks. I've the crazy, clueless type. But there are differences, whether it's something in the face.

Sina: Yeah. Okay, mega exciting. And how is it you today? You say you're always little bit dressed but if you go out or I'll I'll someone, a group of friends, so can you imagine going without makeup? Or if you go would you uncomfortable?

Alina: Mm-hmm. Aha, gute Frage. Maybe. But I'm not sure. Because it's totally different When you in the city, I usually on make-up because I get and was out while. But that's the moment when I to But that's nothing serious. But I to a lake, I wouldn't do Or if we the weekend in a forest hut, I wouldn't go there and put make-up. I wouldn't any make-up on, but I think it's nicer. I think it's a bit even, a bit rustic, a bit wimpy.

Sina: My question was, do you uncomfortable? Do you feel uncomfortable when in a mixed group with guys and you're completely un-makeup? Do you a crumple in your stomach and you think...

Alina: I can't answer that because it's totally dependent It can one day, next, because mood, cycle, skin, image is something that me. That makes me feel It makes my mood feel uncomfortable.

Sina: Mm. Yeah, so I think it's totally normal, because for me it's like that too. Make-up gives me a bit of self-confidence, because you just look little fresher and better, or at least feel like that. And I'm definitely not completely free from the that I'm to event now, even if just a friend's and I'm not wearing make-up. I feel little more self-conscious or more Because I think it looks so flat or I wrinkles or whatever. So that's how for me. I think when we come back to the story, she also into it or what she's herself right now, well, I'm for the patriarchy, meet this beauty standard, or for me. And that's definitely something you should ask I think it's very important that we reverse. And you are as a I that would be something that would that we get that there no more privilege. or very very reduced for women. means a woman who looks super beautiful, that she a lot of advantages in life, is more liked, better jobs, whatever. That would definitely be something we go for. But I definitely don't that one should well, really a feminist or live with or something like one no longer put make-up Because that's exactly what you can forever. As a woman you can't beautiful hair anymore. And as a woman you can't beautiful clothes anymore. Because in the end you're for the patriarchy. I think it's very important that you for yourself. And I think yourself how you're right that you can impress or I myself I personally think I want to develop myself I come from a patriarchy-oriented world and grew up I want to develop to I feel 100 % comfortable and say without that I'm going some friends and I'm going without makeup and it me at And on the other day I feel like doing myself a little prettier and then I on makeup and then it's my thing. But definitely so that... Yes, I definitely... I don't

Alina: I thought that it would be worth experiment or to challenge yourself, like with many things. I often do to challenge and without certain I think it would be cool.

Sina: Hmm?

Alina: a good idea to say, hey, I'll it now and I'll more and often, somehow un-faceted, in of door and then make my experience out my self-esteem and, well, or my summary and then that it somehow no difference in self-esteem. Especially since I've the subject lately. Where it was

Sina: Mm-hmm.

Alina: in what way you might be addressed by men. if you if in a loving, polite way. And... For example, Probably because my appearance is just more... Well, last time I a friend...

Sina: Mm.

Alina: And he said that thinks that I have more work behind me, impress me, he said. But I also asked myself, in what respect, example, the appearance, I don't know, very attractive appearance, example, is not necessarily, imperfection is totally worth and is accessible and makes people simply sympathetic. And that's why it's basically meaningful to do that for example, also in this context, okay, approachable. So for me, maybe personally even approachable. Because I also another experience, for example at festivals, I always think it's really cool to exaggerate At a festival, I have a ton of glitter on my song, or on my songs that don't move But that's my fun, and I'm so happy about feeling like I'm in this festival camp I you doing? day long, you're nothing but waiting for the acts to I it's cool to metallic lipstick and carry a ton of glitter.

Sina: Guys.

Alina: But I definitely do 100 % for myself, because a metallic lipstick definitely a man, but it's just for me because I it's awesome and because I feel like being bit over the top. But I also know that the guys always it super cringe and they think, just be normal and don't too much. So lot of men actually that...

Sina: Haha

Alina: In my case, I it's nice to too much make-up. I think that's a among men in our generation. And if you think that these men will bosses, or maybe they already bosses or leadership, then I think already in a direction that they don't necessarily...

Sina: Hmm.

Alina: are impressed when a woman is mega-crazy-makeup and so on. I think that can the other way around, that they just say, yes, okay, what is she good as decoration for the man? So it's actually almost again ... it's almost going in the wrong direction again. So it's a narrow-gauge transition. And I would, I think I would experiment. So I would really, I think, so

Sina: Yeah. Hmm, that's pretty easy. Yeah.

Alina: Hey, try it out. Right?

Sina: Yes, so I think this experiment really good. I think just decided to this for myself. Especially when I'm at home I'm usually without make-up and in summer anyway. But when I go and meet people I put a little bit And I think I to experiment way to see how I feel

Alina: Yeah, me

Sina: And I want to say something about festivals and I think that's a great of makes for yourself. Just saying, okay, I'm to some great glitter and stuff. We don't for any guys, we just it for fun. We just And the example you just the other direction, that wearing too much make-up is necessarily seen as a positive thing for many men. I would say that you can already make that most men say that make-up nice to a certain degree and if it's too much they it kind of uncool. But you have to say that I personally like it and that's the important If the woman just likes to play and makes cool, crazy eyes or just a really, really creative... and that's maybe more and you like it. Even if 99 % the guys don't like it, then fuck it. It's important to And she should the opposite in the experiment. She should say, you what? I love to put make-up. And maybe she only it secretly at something like and a lot of but she doesn't dare to go out that And she should still, I would let it live. And say, you know what, I'm meeting a group of friends, and I'm on my fully colorful makeup.

Alina: Yeah, that good. Yeah, there are some cool things. Okay.

Sina: Okay. Okay, then I say we to the next story. I don't anyone with a positive or neutral birth history. My husband and I are still unsure if we want And a big part of my hesitation is that no woman has me a positive birth history yet. Not even a neutral Everyone has huge traumas. Of Breeding is, in the best case, difficult and painful. But I'm about women who got who didn't want them, who were to epidural, who then lifelong back problems, doctors and heath doctors who their needs and complications with from tooth births, cuticles and everything. Nobody ever told me, especially not at my first birth, that the pains were very long and painful, but the birth went according to the hebs were great and we both are very healthy after that. I have no trauma from it. All women in my life had to only get physical, but also mentally. because of and trauma of birth and often because of treatment by medical staff. women. So yes, maybe I will still some point that the risks are worth But I don't any reason to injuries and poor treatment in under-funded hospitals. If someone positive or just neutral birth stories, especially from UK, I would be very happy to hear it.

Alina: Yeah, that's... I was for that back then. I can totally understand because I've so many horror stories and there's so much that went What wrong. And if you want it definitely makes sense to a bit.

Sina: Yo!

Alina: Especially to a birth plan, which certain hand gestures and so on. I think extremely important. You should take of But the belief that it can also get better is really important. Because otherwise, I think, you such a fear. So I also specifically for people who reported Otherwise ...

Sina: Absolutely. I have say, I'm more a person like In my case, are lot of pregnant I had a very positive birth. She's looking for in this call here on Reddit. Does anyone have good or neutral birth experiences without trauma? I could my hand and say, yes, me.

Alina: I I was scared too. Hmm?

Sina: I had a great experience. Was everything perfect in flow and nothing happened? No. I had some small critical moments, but I was super happy with my whole birth. I couldn't it better. And also in my circle I share this positive experience. this positive view. And maybe I'll say that the two or three negative points that happened to I don't that much. Because I just relevant for people and I don't want to scare and just they approach positively. And you already hear so much negative about birth anyway that I don't even want to carry that. Yes, and I think it's quite normal that negative experiences spread much faster and stay in your memory much And maybe much more mentionable than positive experiences. And that's how we bit overflow of extremely negative birth experiences. As you said, the one hand I it's important that we speak more transparently about the topic of and maybe also about things that went I think that didn't long time. It was always a bit behind closed and any big details about birth. Nobody to hear it. And now many things are being talked which is great. As you said, measures are not being that you, as a woman, don't give up rights just because you child now. As I said, it's very good that you now. But at the same time it me little scared. And before I got my child, I was in bit of a fighting mood. I had lot about what could happen, what could some diseases. in or how you can be treated and so on. That it's not that great and so on. I up a birth plan, I don't yet. But I have completely trained that he for my rights and so on. Because I was so many negatives before that I was almost convinced. that a lot of shit will to That you a medication without someone asking you for consent or whatever. In the end, nothing happened Everything was really great. But yes, I was definitely already there with fear before birth. So not fear of pain, but fear that I treated and as I said, already in this fighter mood before it all.

Alina: So that was... To it again, I am definitely one of the women who has no trauma of at really a hard fight from start to finish. No problems at all. So really no problems at And I have say, I this fight in I also did that. By myself hardcore, hardcore, lot of... lot of training, my birth plan and what I fought was the birthplace. I thought and read that everything is and falls with the birthplace. And I in two days to get into exactly this hospital, where the most thing was, at in my world, that I was in good hands. And that was the I arrived and was like, okay, everything fine. But before that, not for because I immediate wound treatment and if the child had I another hospital. And then I once at an in-between examination and there were two doctors who somehow me and I thought, you have no idea what you are there. That was really bad and was like, way am I my child No way will this child earlier. It will definitely come when it should. And yes, thank God everything worked out So that's I super happy But I think what to lot is that negative birth stories are told because I think you through this storytelling. And I think that's how you equality. Where you can oh, that was so terrible for me. And then generally, a tenor, in my world, a tenor. Births are bad. Can't good. It's bad. Always. No matter. And I had exactly that in mind. And then you to look it because that also...

Sina: Hmm.

Alina: I think the generation made a leap again, we didn't past, I don't think talked about what kind of problems there were, but it was just like, yes, it was shit, but I somehow survived. And then were maybe those who the first positive experiences and when I got were lot of stories, lot of experiences, lot of... Explanations, a lot of things. What's good under birth and so on. this topic and this connection with each other, via the internet, helps a And I think, I'd interested, you've this Reddit story, how many comments did you or what positive input did get? There must have something.

Sina: Mm-hmm. I have to take a So here is a female hippo who is and writes that she many beautiful births and also neutral births. Here's one that writes that she a high-risk birth, but still in the end a very, very great birth thanks to great Hebam. So basically the tenor here now under the post very, very positive, because she also I say, consciously after that, anyone good birth stories and there are now definitely many, I say, delivered and it also super important.

Alina: channel.

Sina: What helped me personally was one thing that stuck what my midwife told me. She said that all births, 60 % of births are neutral. That means that it's a long birth, with highs and lows, without anything critical, but also... Yes, no one you say, that's super fast or something. Then she 20 percent of births are really these births where it's really critical, where you might have to an emergency surgery, where something just doesn't run smoothly. So in the end, the baby always almost all cases, but it's just these very, very births. And she said 20 percent and no pig are really births that run really well, where it super fast, where there no complications, where the press worked great and so on. yes, and she said, we were in a course, the Hebermann made a course where 30 people sat or 40 and she it divided like that. 20 % of you will have a very, very difficult birth, 60 % neutral and 20 % of you will have a very awesome birth. And I always of myself as this positive 20%. So I would really put my birth as this positive 20 % And as I that definitely my mind. So I got a little mind switch. that there are these very positive stories. And I until this point, because I had already set myself mentally. It's going to very long and painful. Or it's going to really shit. But not this... maybe it's also very easy.

Alina: I think I had one or two people who were close to who said, hey, that was so and so and that went really well. And then I was like, aha, could be that it doesn't get that bad. So that's I was

Sina: Yeah. Good time. Also, ich hoffe tatsächlich nicht, also wenn sie sich gegen Kinder entscheidet...

Alina: Totally cool.

Sina: I definitely don't that the fear of birth will It's totally up to but I think that a birth doesn't have to be If you do like what you with hypnobirthing, you can also... You have to prepare the so that it a good experience. You can a little bit. You know in the course, but you can take the risk. and there is a PDA that pain. And if you very afraid of a stroke, because you heard one million traumatic stories and therefore have a brutal anxiety, then could for a planned cut. That's also possibility. Before she says she doesn't children, because she so afraid of birth, but theoretically like children in her life, that could also be a way.

Alina: For example, another birth would me all. It keep from being pregnant again. And that means you a child. 18, 20, I know how many years. But if it just about pure... Yes, but you know what I mean. But if it pure child wars.

Sina: Mm. Forever! The child also after 18 years. Yeah.

Alina: I okay, no problem. But pregnant, I don't know if I pregnant again. It's just like that. But as I said, it's just great. It's just so individual and you can't plan But you can least a little positive on as with many things in life. And positive stories definitely help, think. So that's not really... It's good the she does

Sina: Okay, then we hope that you little encouraged with all the positive stories that you now hear in your Reddit comments. Okay, then we move on to next story. I am fed up for being easy of. I officially done with being as a compliment. I am 31, live in a city and have a demanding job. I use a calendar because my week is otherwise falling I invest time in my hair, I like a clean apartment, I have a budget and a schedule and I drink to relax. In my long-term relationship I want to know where we are going to None of this is a character mistake. And yet it has a sign that I am who never needs never asks clarity, never a reservation, never an opinion of where to eat, never needs never a standard of how to be When you needs, you as demanding, as if you were a sensitive luxury object that someone has your own ideas and boundaries is just normal adult life. The problem is women who are too much. The problem is that we taught to our needs small so that others feel more comfortable. I don't to difficult. I want to a life that I really want. If it me care intensive, then it's life.

Alina: intensive.

Sina: We all little bit care intensive.

Alina: Yeah.

Sina: When I the story, I immediately the topic of That's what often hear in a word that's used in women's descriptions. It's too loud, too exhausting, what is it, too... I care. Women are always too much. Too little.

Alina: Yeah, too much. Too much, yeah.

Sina: doesn't a big confirmation or whatever because then she is too intensive and too exhausting. And I find totally interesting because I had just thought about I always say that an ideal woman or girlfriend of society or of patriarchy is, as I said, this woman who doesn't any stress. that just goes and doesn't close. Too much, too little, blah blah. And vice versa, I think we about men. Because what is I a man who appeals Do I want a man who is easy to or no opinion or is, I say, a co-worker and somehow, I don't know... that I don't to think all. I think we're more in strong men who set their boundaries, men who go their own way. I think the interesting men, but at the time it's when a woman does that. it's more seen negative. She's too exhausting, too bitter, too blah blah blah. Just because she's a limit. When I it very attractive they just know what they want and that they're straight with their opinions and decisions and whatever. I think is pretty lame.

Alina: I'm not so sure anymore. Because I have the feeling that we're from a... I'll you. I don't to That's I with my mindset. I have the feeling that as a woman,

Sina: You Mm.

Alina: really has her life with mid-30s and has her plan, her lifestyle, certain values that she represents, certain views that she represents, which is simply less compromising. So. That one would rather need a more adaptive man on his side. Or that would do So on the one a man who has his own interests, I agree that, of course, but who also a lot of and is much more willing to what maybe women were to or even centuries before, namely their lives to the man. And I think it's now bit of time for the house men. Honestly, I...

Sina: Hmm.

Alina: I probably, and that's the crux of I would probably always estimate a man for leadership quality, yes, who also little bit it maybe, so who can make let's just it very banally. Let's he can decisions. I think important. But at the same time he should value me as a woman, by being so adaptable and maybe also my interests forward. You know? So...

Sina: Yeah, total.

Alina: I don't want say that it either or, but if we to equal, then I for more adaptable men. Or those are ready to adapt, to change, to listen, to think to really ready to say, I'll your back open just women have for their men because we are both now at the pressure.

Sina: Mm.

Alina: So women do it by nature. I think we should back a little more in the and men should on the relationship level. For they should a 30-hour week or something that a 25-hour week. I don't care. But... yeah. That would be...

Sina: Totally. We have to our of equality, because we are still in slump. The man is the one who too little care work.

Alina: Yeah.

Sina: And the woman has a lot of unpaid care. And we let's say, the middle. For example, of one 100 % and the other not working or the other 20-30%, can both 50 % or both 70 % or whatever. Just as example. So definitely not that the burden is always on one. And that's actually a lot of feminism. Or is generally the core statement of feminism that we towards equality and equality. You said something that made reflect What I about is why is it so positive that women are easy And I think that's because you... In a traditional relationship you a very dominant man. Meaning the man made the word, he had... But if two dominant people in a relationship, then it's The man has an opinion, he says, okay, we're on vacation to Spain. And the woman says, no, don't to Spain, I want to Iceland. Then it be that she is too much, too exhausting, she too much opinion and so on. Because it just doesn't work if you two super dominants, then it That means, what is the perfect combination with a super dominant guy? Just a very caring, easy woman who just says, oh yes, good, then Spain. Yes, perfect, then let's that. You look totally fine, yes, it etc. So someone who very fugal, who adapts well. And that's it's now, what you said, that this switch is there, that we towards equality. that both have an opinion without the partner being ultra dominant in the tone, but that we in a balance. And then it would say, a woman is as a care-free woman. But it's also good if a woman has an opinion. I'm not a fan of dominant behavior, but you just compromise.

Alina: I about your holiday story, for example, that I it's cool when someone, and that's I by making when someone does that, who says, hey, I want to plan there and there, and who then plans that who then takes off this mental load from and says, hey, I'll and I'm mood for I know that to picked up and want to yes or no. But I know that I for time on the point that I don't to lot of decisions home, but I'm just when someone takes me. To so much at because I had to because of or the time. I was just happy when someone all away from I almost came home and said, I don't to make But I also know that both should possible. But even if, for example, a woman says she wants to more dominant or wants 70 % or 100 % and man stays at I that's okay. Everything has to be possible in this world. and consensus. That's what I to say. But what easy In this case, the woman too, because she doesn't many decisions. I don't know. But easy for should never be that the decision is on one side and the other party has accept it as well.

Sina: Absolutely. I just to out. As you said, everyone has their preferences. One person doesn't to make the other person likes to a lot and I just have to... and we have to rid of that the man determines and the woman is good if she is caretaker and is friendly to

Alina: I have say, when it to too much or too or generally speaking, let's stick to too much, I to of more personal things, like individuality, personal individuality that has to with living together, like clothing style, music taste, who, how much... socializing or something like that. That's with a partnership either. One likes more socializing, the other less, for example. It can also so individual. And I that somehow everything has to possible, just as was always allowed And that's where got the idea that I think that especially men who say that women are intensively for, in an environment where they themselves as Or have to say that the man at They have with a strange creed, or have become this... You are the man in the house, you have to the decisions, otherwise you are not a man. So I think it's for the men to or more if they back bit. I happens in many cases. I think it's often the that men are under such lot of pressure.

Sina: Absolutely.

Alina: Of we all from.

Sina: Absolutely, yes. think it's also super difficult. if you always have something in there, like women have in we have adapt, there are many men in I have to lead, I have to guide, I have to the decisions and so on and it's both very unhealthy.

Alina: Mm, good luck.

Sina: Feminism and equality have many advantages that they can that's why I think we're done. Cool podcast episode.

Alina: Yeah.

Sina: Please comment in the comments if you to to the stories, we didn't lighten and you have other interesting ideas. Otherwise I would say we see us in next episode. Bye!

Alina: Tch.