Sina: Hello and welcome back to the podcast, not your type, woman. I'm Sina, your host and today it's a bit special because I'm not always there with my dear Alina, who is usually my co-host, but with Melissa. I'm really looking forward to rocking this podcast I Melissa via LinkedIn and we connected bit and made a little coffee call. She told a little bit her project. She is a very attractive author and is a super super exciting book and the message of this book just me completely. Also, fand es so geil, dass ich auf jeden Fall gesagt habe, ich muss unbedingt mal mit uns in den Podcast kommen und einfach mal so ein bisschen erzählen über diese Message und das Buch und dann klar auch mit mir so ein paar Reddit-Stories kommentieren. Also, ich bin mega happy, dass du da bist, liebe Melissa. Hello! Melissa: Hello, hello and thank you for the invitation and for this wonderful presentation. I've already all red. Sina: Gern. Quatsch, quatsch, wie geht's dir? Alles gut? Melissa: Yeah, everything's great, the sun is it's been raining I can't complain. Sina: Yeah, that think is also really wonderful So temperatures have a bit, so that it is really pleasant now. Yes, I'm really that you're here today. I have guests ... Melissa: I'm really excited too. This podcast is really cool. Sina: I yesterday, yes, I'm it's still brand new and fresh, but we just have a lot of fun the whole thing and we really these stories of real women and real themes. Melissa: stone. Sina: to and comment and these women a voice. And yes, I saw you just had your shooting for your cover. And the cover is almost finished. Melissa: Yes, yes, yes, exactly. I the time. There was already the one or the other cover in the foreground, but somehow it quite much and I thought, no, something new has come. Something relevant has And yes, day before yesterday, we shot it. I already the first pictures and I already it and I'm looking to the lounge in August and yes, I'm very excited. Sina: I'm also excited. Do want to tell bit about what your book is and what the main message is? Melissa: I think only in my book, but also in my outside appearance or within the company and also my private life I or show that career management and mother ship creates no contradiction, but a new forms of strength that are being underestimated. And I'm about real vulnerability. Not the beautiful version, but the that means responsibility, and career at the time. And I'm often asked what my role And I always I'm not a classic mom blogger, I'm not a classic career coach, I'm not a pure HR expert, but somehow I myself as a voice for a new... I want to people who responsible for their and a real life outside of And I somewhere in Sina: Mm-hmm. Yeah, nice. Melissa: And that's what my book is about, about my real life as a mother and a leader and this real life and not this social media Instagram Pinterest life. Because that's not reality. Sina: Hmm. Yes, I think that's just so mega important, because we just so much theory all time, right? You have to do and and it should this way and that and somehow, yes, we hear a lot about unity, but how unity can look like and how it is then lived in concrete case, that's just another completely different story and nobody it. And why I thought your message was so strong and I thought it fits the podcast because we don't necessarily talk theoretical things, about women's or feminism, but that we a practical level and listen to real cases, problems, stories from women who are totally individual and also Melissa: Richtig. Yeah. Sina: einfach super viel Kontext brauchen. Melissa: Ja, voll! I always we don't need new tips, we need honest stories. I have had many talks with publishers. My book and I a person, if you know me, be it in business or private, I a very direct person, always free to out. And no matter which publisher I spoke to, others on my book. But is critical Oh, that tone is very hard, we have to refine And then I said, no, people, no, then you're not the right ones, because then we exactly what we read the beautiful truth, but not the naked and honest truth. I want this society criticism. I want people to say, oh, she didn't say Because that's what nobody talks That's I you're so cool. Sina: So it is. Very cool. Yes, exactly. We don't need the next five tips for XY. We just need real paths. Maybe if you want, you can us a little bit about your path, ... Melissa: Yeah. Sina: I remember that this was the origin of the whole idea and the book and the theme of motherhood and unity. I found it totally exciting what you told there. Melissa: Yes, I'd to. I'm an HR person and I've 10 years now. In in a very male-dominated industry. Not as bad as 10 years I started. But I lead a big team in a company and... For me, our daughter is now two absolute children that it worked so quickly with pregnancy, I think we both didn't expect that my husband and I. And actually I pregnant when it was height of my career. in of a phase where it wouldn't have in. I person, and I always wanted to didn't fit my job. I always said I didn't anything that didn't fit my I love and live my job. That was from the beginning. If I pregnant, I'll back to work Then I pregnant and thought, Sina: Mm-hmm. Melissa: I and sat around and thought, come on, give me the laptop, I'll it for Nothing happened let me some mails. I to my boss briefly, out of the circle, totally Sina: Ha! Melissa: I probably not a measure, but that's just me. That's just me. And then I eight weeks of motherhood. And in my motherhood, my boss came to my house. We have a very good relationship. Dad of three children. And he came to my house to me gift from the team, from the college. We talked about the work and he said, through the flower Melissa... There could be I would like to suggest to Sven's promotion, so and so so. And I looked him and thought, okay, wow, I just a baby on me. But yes, of we'll away. When I a weeks, I'll come and then we'll the talks. And then I actually went again after birth, exactly eight weeks after birth. Sina: the shift. Melissa: and conversations and cleared everything contractually, was I even more responsibility and then some I started to my own story. Actually from the background, everything myself, which I'm actually doing now, because society has course spoken. So how can it only and for God's Sina: Yeah, that's a idea. Melissa: We can all think And some point I actually to my law, do I all of right? Is this good what I do? For me? this good for the child? And she said, just it down and you will your answer. And then I to a people and wrote it all down. And at some point I realized that somehow the nerve of time, hits society. It arouses an incredible amount of curiosity out there that I thought, hey, okay, cares so much, I'll a book out And so the book was and is now out in August, So August is Sina: gang. Melissa: 3rd of August it is planned to appear. Yes, that's it came, that's how came. Sina: I think it's really cool and I think it's just such a refreshing, interesting story that just the opposite so that, let's say, mother doesn't necessarily to called a career-knee, but if you really want it, you can definitely just go different ways, just I don't know, another path to get further. I think it's really, really strong. I can imagine that you really blown away. I months in parental time, so I'd say for German standards it rather short and I lot of Melissa: Yeah. Absolutely. Sina: I lot of backlash, why I didn't stay and so on. But after a month two, I was so excited. I just thought, I have so many ideas. I have a bit of self-confidence. I had so many ideas and I the idea of podcast and whatever. And then I just so happy when I work Or, yes, I just say... Melissa: Yeah. Yeah, that's something else, right? Sina: He always in negative but he my passion. Really cool story, Melissa. Totally inspiring. Melissa: Thank you. I hope that I inspire with Because exactly what you just said, that it doesn't to the career twist and that you can show that it's different and bring in fresh air. That's always my core message. It's actually quite simple. For me, two words and that's courage and communication. Because if my boss wasn't so brave to talk it, I could have said, how disrespectful are you to that on my part. I And just like I was brave enough say, hey, let's talk it. And then come to topic of We talked, we honest talks. What does that What does it to get into the How do I business trips? What does my partner about So does my husband about it? How we set Who actually does care work with us? Who is the child care? Where does the child when I in a meeting? And questions about questions. And we very, very clearly and Real, honest conversations. And that's not always part this professional and private thing, can't separate I it in one of my chapters in the book. Sina: Hmm. Melissa: is I a very flexible employer and a family employer who is My husband is also 100 % in the care work as I am. If we these conversations, we wouldn't have able and honest and open to each other, then that wouldn't happened. That's it's so simple. That's why I really to appeal and I hope that I can inspire to not my path, but to the courage to about it Sina: to time. Yes, I think that's another very important appeal. That it doesn't mean that after two months after the birth of a child, has to work to somehow their career or just their passion. But that we just these two pillars, communication and courage, with which we can our individual paths. Melissa: Absolutely. Sina: Okay, ich habe wie immer in diesem Podcast nochmal ein paar Stories mitgebracht, die ich jetzt vorlesen werde und dann freue ich mich darauf, dass wir die gemeinsam ein bisschen kommentieren. Okay, bist du bereit? Melissa: Yes, gerne. Yeah, that's it. Sina: Let's go. For all women who both have a relationship, have to go one way or have up in What have you decided and would today exactly the I am in an age where my career is currently taking off. But at the time I am thinking about in the next few years. What concerns I want in the first years before the children come to school. addition, the very practical question who can of My husband works from home and says he could take of the child. I, on hand, to go to office Does that really work I am afraid to the wrong decision and it later. Melissa: I love this story. I love this story. I see myself... I already you a little bit. I see one to one again. Could you... could you... almost mine... that would my story. Sina: Exactly your topic, Minister, Yeah, I think just because your story is representative for a lot of stories. Melissa: I was the same I just told you. That's why I to smile, you it now, but I had to smile when I just Yes, same, it was exactly the same I'm not so much into my book, but I of a chapter where I write where the subject of where I say there is no right time. We humans are somehow so limited to saying, oh, it's not the right time. Oh no, better not today. And it will be... does not the perfect time. So if everyone goes into themselves and the important decision of their lives, be it a house purchase, it car purchase, be it child, be it next career trip, going on a world trip, whatever, if everyone thinks about his moment, everyone thought the same It may not be the right time because of XYZ. And there we are, as with this topic, courage. to let's weigh it, is my inner self the fear, the reality or what society might think? And then to all that and say, why not? So why not? Even if the economic situation is that, even if I'm planning on a child. Why not? Was hindert mich da dran? Und ich find die Story so so cool und würde dieser Person so gerne sagen, habt ihr Mut diese Entscheidung zu treffen. with which you feel Don't your fear speak, don't let society speak, but be brave and think about exactly what you the last sentence at I'm afraid of wrong decision and it later. I'd regret something than never tried And it's great to see my husband working from home, he could take care of the child. Yes, why not? We women have to make happen let Sina: Yeah. Melissa: I see that with my husband. We are pretty clear and clear in our upbringing. But he has his rituals with the mouse, I mine. He has his communication with the mouse, I have mine. And sometimes I there and I can't listen or look because I think I would it completely differently. And then I again, no, I'm totally proud that he does that, because it's their thing. She knows exactly when dad says then it's like that. And we women have to be let of Yes, we are the mommies and we are heroes and we are grenades, but dad can that too. Dad can be a hero too, dad can be a grenade and dad will well on his way. And accordingly, I the person, yes, that's great. The man can from home, he can of the child. Hey, great, share the care work, share this particular time in the sense of the first years I want. Sina: Yeah. Melissa: I close to my childhood. Both are Somehow you can anything by being brave and maybe communicating the employer how you could do Great story. Go for it! Sina: absolute. Yeah, that definitely here in the story. So now he said, my husband works from home and could also of the child. That was the only thing I thought about. Okay, take care. Because I, when you plan like I sometimes the feeling that maybe the men say, do it. Melissa: You Sina: It's I work and sleep next the child and we're next each That's it. It won't that much work. But think it's totally realistic. But the man helps out and the care work. But it to communicated and discussed How will it look? And it's not enough to say... Well, as I let's a child and I'll the home office. But I we in general way. Melissa: Yes, Yes, I would even out one point. We talking again. Because yes, men don't what a mother has. Sina: Mm-hmm. Melissa: and maybe can't really assess or see it as something will work out and I can it done. So I understand that aspect, but I would this man and this woman how awesome it that your husband wants to support that. So how awesome it he says, hey, I stay at home, I do this, I rock this. But of communication is and a realistic picture of what it to such a baby. Sina: Yeah, that's right. Melissa: But first I would say, awesome! Awesome guy! Cool guy! Mega! Yeah, I mean... Sina: Yeah, definitely that he doesn't cross or something. You have something completely different Melissa: The trend is, thank God, there in our society, that more more men openly about this topic and say, hey, I also want to work I also want to parental time and I also want to there my child. But I this sentence is just cool, that the man says, hey, I work from home and then I'll it done. Do your career. Hello, great man. But yes, realistically, of to strength. Sina: Yeah, absolutely. Yes, totally. I also the story so much because I think that the theme of the 30s is a complicated decade Because these two components flow together. Many people are their careers in their thirties. That's where really down. I think the twenties are still bit... You're with studies, you're getting it, those the years But then in the thirties you're just bit confident and it's usually the career ladder, if you want to up. And the time we have the topic of children. The 1930s are the time when usually get women and children, if you in the 1920s. And comes the time. That's why I that are many question marks and of from the historical point of view, there well, there can only one. Melissa: Both are at Sina: either career or either children, not both together. And that's why important to break up. Melissa: Yeah, and that is. And that's also what I like and what so contradictory and just so... It's wonderful and I'm glad that a lot is being discussed about and that the voices are getting louder and louder. But you really to say that the working world has so hard, so much, but the expectations of a woman are somehow not. You know, that's what so... Sina: Mmh, good point. Melissa: I think, people, it's not We can't always develop, develop, but we women should always here and understand. While everyone else keeps going We need new working models, need new ideas, need fresh wind. That so important in today's time. We also don't a of I will a huge shitstorm afterwards, but I am actually also... I don't know how often you in any post from me, in any article, where I we don't a lack we, mothers... Sina: Yeah. You Melissa: If my would see me more, we would no problem. Sina: Of not. Totally. And if mothers would better in the job. Melissa: Yes, absolutely. Sina: instead of getting into these time-shaps or just on the spot. Totally. What would you specifically, what would you specifically about this woman who's writing this? What would you, she just has this question mark, what would be the first step? Melissa: Yeah. Sina: what she should do now to find clarity. a conversation with her boss or her partner. Melissa: Honestly, she writes here that she wants in the next few years. Women always to realistic. Not every woman is it. Some women need a lot of First of would say, just your way. Because without wanting to approach you, who knows if you can Sina: Mm-hmm. Melissa: whether you can whether you in the next 1-2 years, whether it could happen and then you may have 2-3 years to get or 1-2-3 years to get and therefore you want to your career. That's I would say go your way. Sina: Mm-hmm. Melissa: Apparently was communicated with the partner or the husband that you to step. Of course you have to with your partner, that you are to a child into the world. But I would just say do it, do it and I wouldn't a conversation with the boss either. So I would do that if it's that far. Why do sleeping dogs wake up? Because, as I said, wanting approach But you can when it about it, in today's time, always openly discussed how many women really have putting children to bed. And even if from today to then it's nice. So that would really my personal path now. And the other one runs parallel. And if you pregnant, then you have to Sina: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Melissa: I have at home who is there. Communication, open conversations, honest conversations in all directions. private environments, to see who else can support, who else can I have a good relationship with my environment, with family, grandparents can support, friends, what is possible to up this. It's exactly the same Also my path would not have without a partner or a friend who supports and takes his role as well as a... I always it our inner circle, grandma, grandpa, aunt, uncle, always take who always support, catch, make and us free. And of course a employer who open, brave and says, hey, let's try Sina: Mm. Melissa: and to implement These are three pillars, my husband, my environment and my employer. All of this was only through communication that you went there and said, my mother accompanied me on business trips during the rest life. My mother is a pensioner and I said, mom, I have to to Berlin on a business trip, I'm still in the rest of life. I daughter a year. Sina: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Melissa: She said, yes, I my employer I can join this business trip. If my mother can me, her own expense. I'll for but she should come me. So, yes, let's do it. And then she to Berlin. I the event, was a leadership meeting, and my mother wrote me WhatsApp message when the mouse was going So, it's all It's all good. Sina: I think it's really cool, so creative. Yes, is also unfortunately, so it's all but unfortunately you still to be creative be creative okay, how do I that done, because it is not really lived by the companies yet. You have to for it yourself, yes, and yourself, yes. Melissa: Mm-hmm. Yes, unfortunately not It is not yet of yes, is not yet a I mean, is not a of in the public to the breast out and breastfeed The most thing in the world is still with contempt today. unfortunately we still a lot to pick and that's I want to... Sina: Mm-hmm. Melissa: I that women will braver to their voices. That really patriotic. And to say, hey, I'm ambitious. I want to My husband can stay We talked And so I would definitely rate Start, go your way, make your career and when you get grand, great, nothing, there is nothing more in the world. And then it just on. So then it on with open conversations, with open communication and be further ambitious and hold on hold on this man who says, I carry this with you. Great, great, stay motivated, stay brave. Sina: Okay, would say we jump to second story and take it. Melissa: Yes, also very interesting. Sina: Ich bin Ärztin, Mama seit einem Jahr und glaube gerade, dass mein größter Traum gestorben ist. Ich weiß nicht mal genau, warum ich das hier poste. Mein Mann schläft, meine Tochter schläft und ich sitze hier halb zwei und kann nicht aufhören zu denken. Also Hintergrund. Ich bin Ärztin, Innere Medizin. Ich wollte das, seit ich acht Jahre alt war. That was never a Plan B, that was always just me. Through the studies, through the professional training, through all night shifts. I always knew where I wanted Head doctor. Not because of the title, but because I want make because I want to change something. Married year in March. September, Lena I love her so much that I put words. I six months in parental time and that was nicer and harder than I thought, both at the same time. I've three weeks now. Part-time, 60 percent. Last week my doctor told me that a colleague now has leading role in our department. This colleague came two years later. I explained I took He has no children. I object. I just walked in and sat on the toilet and started the wall. Why didn't object? Because I understand that this is not going well. I can't the 60-hour weeks a head doctor requires. My daughter is one year old. I want her in I don't to the mother who her child sleeping. I don't know what I this post. I think I just want someone to that I'm not crazy. That it's actually the that the system sort before they even the chance to show what they can I'm 34, I'm damn good at my job and it feels like nobody cares. Melissa: Story is so hard, I like hug and my god, Mousy, you should have communicated, you should have spoken. But if a bicycle chain, you so nicely. So I feel it, I feel it. Not because I was in such a situation but she it so on the spot and we ... Sina: Hmm. Melissa: I'm always a bit split. I want to just against the system and say in way, oh, that's a man and that's why he it. Sometimes it has other backgrounds. she's absolutely a split. And that's also a group where you couldn't say, oh, I could this just like Melissa, because that's a completely different presence. Sina: Mm. Melissa: You are a doctor, I am often in home office, you are in the hospital, you on station, you have to on site, you can't your child with you in the carriage or take your mother with you to the hospital and say, call me when it needs That's I would also you to still for the boss immediately and the boss. Sina: Yeah. Melissa: What are my ambitions? What could I with my 60 %? Who takes care of What does private life like? Do I have a family background that I on and to my 60 %? So not that in those 60 % where I present in the hospital every three minutes I because the is or because the a fever and I the contact person, but I these 60 % part-time on site completely. And I would also, as we talked on the of creativity, absolutely in the trend right now, I that either, I also it a bit creepy, but also very cool, are being divided. more connections are into two people. We have that in one brand, we are big company and we several companies and in one our companies we actually have that too, that two people share a leadership role. So of course this woman could go there and Sina: Mm-hmm. la. Melissa: say, hey, watch out, 60 % part-time, stay with me now, % part-time. Nevertheless, the ambition to position just as well as a man without children. How would if we shared How would it with them and their suggestions? May I briefly my private situation? This is what looks like I am the 60 % who I at work, I at 1000 % focus. So, here you should much earlier, so that you don't into the situation But hey, she's here now, that's the story. And accordingly act talk, talk, talk, be brave and talk, become creative. How could I with 60 % of time? And that would be my first thought. Let us share Sina: Yeah. Melissa: I would first to the boss, if he says, yes, could be an option, then this colleague, to this man and say, hey, what does it like? Do feel like it's going to be a pilot, that we this position? Of course, he can't no. Well, then you still to to the surgeon. Sina: Yeah. Melissa: But it would be a good to to find courage or to choose the brave path. Sina: You always it clear what you want. You say you want to to the head doctor. Because what she does here... Without me blaming her, but she's up before... Melissa: Yeah. Yeah. Yes, that's what I meant by blaming He is a man, has no children. That's your assumption, that's your guess. Just like men or society have over women, mothers. They are also directly caught and say, that's man, has no children and that's he gets the position. Maybe not. Maybe he has proven extremely at the time when you not there. But let's about it. So talk. Sina: Yeah. Mm. Total. Ich glaube das Thema ist warum sie halt nicht redet ist einfach weil wir es nicht anders kennen. Also man wächst auf man kennt es so eine Frau in Teilzeit. Das ist keine Chefärztin das gibt es nicht. Man hat keine role models. Und deswegen sagt man okay ich bin eine Mutter ich habe hier ein Kind ich habe hier ein einjähriges Kind. Für mich ist das Thema durch Chefärztin. Okay ich sehe jetzt gerade jemand anderes wird befördert. Brauche ich jetzt auch gar nichts. What I now? It's just like that. And that's just... We really to ourselves free from not accepting that these traditional old paths are no longer our paths today in 2026. And we to break And then will be with a lot of communication and lot of creativity. Melissa: Bye. Yes, and sometimes I think it's so unfair, you just said, that we have creative, we have to the initiative, we have to become and we are already exhausted and I for two years and I'm exhausted if we don't do then... Sina: Hmm. Melissa: Fair enough. Be loud, be brave, talk, talk, be honest with your men, your friends, families and employers. Just what you want. Sina: Absolut. Melissa: And sometimes it's easier than you think. I've so many times, that people are brave enough and the conversations, then employers are incredibly grateful for Because you have to think about You go to your boss, because you are a leading force go to your boss and I'm pregnant, then you're out weeks before birth, eight weeks after birth, then you might still in parental time, you can for to two years. For a boss, it's first time, oh God, villain. Sina: Hmm. now. Melissa: and I can implement it for all these reasons. then think a large number of people out there, a large number of employers, are already grateful to such honest conversations. And of course you always have pay I can from my HR glasses, we are to ask I not to... go and tell well, how does it like, are getting children or something? Or, you you can't too private. And if I the initiative as a employer and say, don't worry, this that looks like home, that's my ambition, then employers will be much more and say, ah, great, thank you, now you're a lot of off my shoulders by telling you want to with 60, 70, 80, 90, 100 percent, how awesome is that? Let's talk it. I think we think too often both ways. On the one hand, the employer thinks, I can't talk I can't address And we women think too often in this bubble and say, nobody will me now. I was out couple of months, a couple of years, now I a gap in my life, now I'm not at the ball of time and now I forget about my career But I think if we more openly, would into bright faces and think, how cool, great, great, let's go let's be creative, and maybe something creative Sina: Yeah. Yeah. Melissa: Maybe there be an idea that I wouldn't have come with So here in this story 2, look for the conversation very quickly and say how ambitious you are and make suggestions how it might be Sina: Absolute. I find that such a refreshing perspective, because I can remember when I was that was always such a taboo topic, whole topic, does Sina want children? The whole thing. And I have to say, I think it's shit if the employer had me to That's also a no-go, if he asked us how does it with you, do you want children, you out or whatever? You don't exactly. Melissa: Yeah, full! god, you shouldn't It can really badly. Sina: That's not Exactly, that's not either. But it's just totally, as you say, can totally helpful to communicate even when So I think that's super, super refreshing. What I find about this whole system, about your book, this communication and courage and this co-sumption, is that is always another column that and that the employer reacts to And you just said that it is often much more positive than you think. But of can also be that it is... that they would for example, they would to and say, well, I want to a chief physician and whatever, and you can imagine job sharing or something like and they would no, you can't that in hospital. And a chief physician, I know, only 100 percent, we don't that. That would be my fear, you... that you are by the doors. Melissa: But that's just with courage. So you just to speak and communicate and who knows how the work is. And of course the answer can also negative, but then you can still think about it. Sina: Yeah, that's true. Melissa: Do to another hospital? Are there Which direction can I go as a doctor to my career? Which into this life model? You can think about and think about how, where, what. I think there is always a way. My book is called Mom Goes Business. Sina: Yeah. Yeah. Melissa: And that's what I believe we can all our own universe. Not that of someone else, but our own. By staying and it into our own And become really brave, become creative, independent and be behind it. And not just because maybe she's for the conversation and she gets a no and it's said that it's not Then don't to the toilet again and stare But then think about what else there? What other alternatives Where can my path go despite 60 % of which could So, much more positive... You know, so... Be positive, be positive, be positive, believe in yourself! yes... Sina: Yeah, yeah, I totally Yeah, yeah, your thing. And if you it step by step, you shouldn't just... It probably won't be straight. So maybe in the best case, yes. Maybe more doors will opened than you just take But even if not, then it's just important to through your thing, your way. Melissa: Yeah. Yeah. Sina: and if it doesn't become straight, but bit of laryngeal path. Melissa: Yes, absolutely. Exactly that. Yeah, yeah. First thank much for this invitation. It was really a lot of for to these stories and comment bit and maybe something or, as I said, topic of courage and communication a little closer. And that everyone for his or her where you are right now, to the heart to more courageous and communicate Exactly, my book is called business. Erschaffe dein Universum. Und im besten Fall kommt es jetzt im August raus. sind jetzt, wie gesagt, das finale Cover wird jetzt erstellt. Das Manon Skript ist fertig und hochgeladen, geht jetzt alles in den den Vordruck, es gegenzuchecken und dann hoffe ich, dass es zeitlich jetzt innerhalb von vier Wochen alles über die Bühne geht, dass ich dann am 3. August es in den Händen halte. Sina: I love you. wow yeah Melissa: Yeah, it's so exciting. It's my second baby. Sina: Haha, yeah. Sehr gut. Total. Okay. Melissa: Thank so for the exchange. Sina: Yeah, ich danke. Ich danke. Gut, dann war's das für heute. 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