Sina: Hello, ihr Lieben, wir sind wieder zurück. Schön, dass ihr rein hört. Ich bin wieder da, Sina, mit meinem Co-Host Alina. Und ja, hallo, hallo. Yay, na, alles fit? Alina: Hello together! Everything is The pollen is but I handle it. I can do it. How are you? Sina: Yeah. You too. Yeah, with me... Good! Good! Actually, very exciting day today. Because I a photo shoot Yeah, it really... was really funny. So really good. It a lot of fun. Alina: You told me, right? How was it? What? Sina: was actually inside the photo studio. had this whole time, because I'm super active on LinkedIn and I Mondays and Fridays mostly about feminism. So, wants And the thing is, I so few pictures and sometimes just pictures that super old and I it incredibly hard to picture for a post. And yeah, as I said... Alina: I was wondering how you do that, honestly. Because I it and I thought, how does she manage to this kind of photo? Because many are selfies, think, if I it from the outside. And I really impressed by how you did it. Sina: Yeah. Yeah. Yes, I have. Yeah. But they also very similar selfies. I have a catalog of 20 selfies that I are okay, but really okay. I'm not the type yeah, super cool portfolio I have. And I post them again and again. Sometimes I something new, but I somehow... Alina: Hmm. Sina: I also dissatisfied and now I the time to a photographer who me a mood board, as I imagine. And she that really well today. I've seen a few pictures and next week I'll them to her. And I'm definitely looking to creating some new visual content. So Of it's fun and I'm also getting bit more from the ship now than I a year ago. Because I lot of photo shoots Well, two more. Because of I a pregnancy photo shoot. Then I a photo shoot where Mara was very small. And now you're a bit... I'm to and know how it all goes. But still, I realized that when I of the photo studio, I completely exhausted. I don't know, I do something, move around and that's two hours a day. I was definitely through. Through, but happy. I'm curious. I a few podcasts. Alina: Hmm. Cool. ⁓ cool. Yes, nice. Sina: Yeah, with microphone and headphones and... you'll see. Alina: That's funny. Well, that good. Yeah, cool. also honestly, I always that and I'm always very impressed by people who know how to look. I have a buddy who wants to for very long time, but somehow we it on time. They're just very aesthetic photos, think. Let's see, have to think But I always it over and soon. So it's a hobby photographer most the time. Sina: Yeah. Hmm. Alina: And as soon he's there and I notice that he's a picture of me, I'm like, hey! It's just unnatural how I behave. I just don't how to Someone has to tell me that. And that's why it's always very important when chemistry is But yes, I think it's exhausting. Sina: Yeah, I know what you mean. It's really a bit an exercise. As I the first photoshoot I was also feeling insecure and looked at weird way. But at some point you're in the pose and then it's bit easier. But I it's something I want At least once a year. Because think it does something with you. and your self-confidence and self-esteem when you nice pictures of yourself. And I was someone who has relatively few pictures of me So always a selfie or a group or something. But there are girls who have so many pictures of themselves and I just don't to And yes, it's nice to great photos of yourself and to see like that. And we're not forever young. And then it's great to in the future. Alina: Yeah, actually. I think that's also a bit of my motivation to do for myself. But it's that it you Yeah. Yeah, but... Sina: Ja, macht das auf jeden Fall. Well, we'll in the results. I'll it like, yes, everything great and then everything is quite strange or something. I'll send you, I think next week I'll send you Then you can say what you it. Okay. Alina: ⁓ yeah, cool. Yeah, I'd love to. Yeah, let's go. Sina: Dann würde ich sagen, ich habe mal wieder ein paar Storys rausgesucht und hast du Lust? Alina: Natürlich. Sina: twice. Okay, then let's go. Alina: You Sina: Mm-mm-mm. Do you have the feeling that women are in an endless loop self-optimization for no real reason? I'm thinking like this. I'm 37, I'm self- Sorry, fuck. Okay, please again. Do you have the feeling that women in an endless loop self-optimization for no real reason? Ich denke gerade so nach. Ich bin 37, trainiere ständig, lasse mir Nadeln ins Gesicht stechen, gehe regelmäßig zum Friseur, pflege meine Haut, versuche meinen Horizont zu erweitern, versuche meine Trauma selbst aufzuarbeiten, weil Therapie zu teuer, versuche eine gute Tochter, Schwester, Freundin und Partnerin zu sein, probiere neue Rezepte aus und versuche neue Einkommensquellen zu erschließen. And men do what exactly? I don't even a benefit of could all the money I into my outer self into an old-age care system and could have just cut Warte, ich sehe nicht mal einen Nutzen davon. Ich hätte das ganze Geld, das ich in mein Äußeres gesteckt habe, in eine Altersversorge stecken können. Und ich hätte Männer einfach abgehakt. Und mein Leben wäre besser dran. Ich habe das Gefühl, ich sitze auf diesem Hamsterrad und versuche die perfekte Frau zu werden. Aber die Art, wie Männer mich behandeln, wird dadurch nie besser. Also, wozu das alles? Alina: ⁓ yeah, exciting story. well-known story, would say. Sina: Totally exciting topic. She calls it different things, but we can start with the topic of self-optimization of the outer. Skin care, hair and make-up. She says to into face. I'll Botox. Alina: Yeah. Botox, hyaluron, those things. Sina: Hyaluron, and so on. I'd say the whole beauty program. And yes, I what she means, because it's crazy what women put a time and money. Alina: Hmm. Yeah, totally. I always it, when I think how early it all started. How early it all started, when we said clothes, maybe the first topics, later the first cover pen, the basic makeup stuff, and then it just kept going. I still it and it crazy. Sina: Mm. Hmm. Alina: And I often straight to the money. So many young girls who have made nails and wigs. Some them stay with but then are a lot of with extensions. And there is also range of But somehow always with nails. Most of just have made nails. That's totally crazy. Sina: Mm. Yeah, that's always something I little too expensive somehow. But yeah, that's the with younger girls, I also what money is being spent In a really very very young age. And what I also see are these Sephora shopping hauls. where really... So Sephora is this make-up shop where you can all the expensive make-up. Alina: Yeah, genau. Sina: market. ⁓ I don't know, I'm to so much money on that. I badly, but I that there are immense sums flowing And I find it very exciting, this comparison she's If you all this money you really put in there into the care of it be... Brutal. Brutal. Brutal. I'm a of Sephora shopping, but I my creams and stuff. It's already the years. Brutal. Alina: Yes, so... It is... Exactly, it is a huge market behind it. It is definitely a huge sales market. That's one thing. Then is a lot of... Especially everything that is visual, like optics and so on. That's what comes first on social media topics. And that's why it so well, Better than, I think... Sina: Mm-hmm. Hmm. Alina: So many other things, but this optical is just a huge topic and I'm right now there are already two layers. So I think there already two different expressions in society, so I think it probably to with education, where more is invested in optics. than the girls who are more into naturalness, secondhand shopping and such topics. I think there are really these two different camps. But overall, no matter which society you belong to, it's the that women are more into optics. Also fitness studios and I'm also... Sina: club. Yeah. Alina: Also, sich davon zu befreien ist, äh... Sina: Yeah, and a very interesting question is why? Why do women put so much value on their appearance? And that has the answer to it, that's pretty privilege. And that when you good, when you the beauty ideal. Alina: Yeah. Mm. Sina: then you lot of in life. That means you have better chances in your profession, you more friends, you have more choice in your partner's and you more positively than if you less with the ideal. And that's actually the reason why you much in Alina: Hmm? Sina: plus Alina: Yeah. Sina: Plus, of that we in such a... That this whole cosmetic industry, to that, of course, women to always something. So that you're never good enough. So, little don't at you to get rid of or have to Yes, aging is a super-crap topic yes, this whole industry lives from the that women simply talk about the status quo. So if you're naturally old or just natural, that's not good enough. Alina: Hm. Ja, es wird uns halt auch sehr möglich gemacht, ne? Der Zugang dazu ist total leicht. ⁓ Wir kriegen's vorgelebt, es macht irgendwie jeder. ⁓ Da müsste ja in irgendeiner Stelle mal irgendeiner sagen, ähm... it doesn't or I don't participate or whatever. But it's really difficult. I've been thinking if there's a positive aspect to And I've noticed that it sometimes helps to bring the radiation outwards. I think if you outer with your inner a bit more tune and maybe... feels and is more courageous and goes outside. That's what this pretty privilege all about. A good job interview is always better in clothes you feel For And I think that maybe you have a bad phase because you have eye wrinkles. Sina: Yeah. Yeah. Alina: because the night was totally shitty or whatever reason, then it helps you to blur out and to say, hey, I'm still the same person and don't me by my appearance and by how right now. That's why it's helpful that we women have these opportunities because the... Sina: Yeah. Alina: Men don't to hit the men's or the bridge to hit Because I often think, if I a bad day or badly, then I my concealer, which me bit, in front of that I thousand questions asked. Hey, everything okay? Are you okay? And man like just to get right. He just to through Sina: Hmm. You Alina: Except he is so brave and takes the concealer, but I don't many ⁓ Sina: But it's not expected from men to look so good and fresh. They just the they look. Sometimes a bad day, sometimes a better day. But it's quite often, the typical saying is, a woman, I go to work and then I to work and then you're like, wow. Alina: Nee. Korrekt. Sina: Are sick? Are you well? That's something that out be negative. Alina: Yes, even if you the wimper shower or something, it's always really difficult. Sina: Yeah. And that gives you the feeling right? Especially now when you about younger women, who then say, well, I have to look great, because otherwise I it in front of Alina: I think with younger girls, when they puberty, acne and so on and so forth, I think it's good that there are certain possibilities, that you can along and don't yourself down I think when it overhand and that's me, like wimper nails and extensions that... a of that is totally unreal, mostly look really unreal and that are simply not necessary So I just think just over it. If I in a few years or later for myself, because I think I might want to out a couple of differences, because I better about okay, so that's such a broad topic. Sina: Mmm. Yeah. Yeah, that's also a really tough topic for women. What I the whole time when I this story, I thought, okay, first of I understand that. First of all, it's very reflective to ask why we this at all and why men don't do and how much money I've in my life. Alina: ⁓ she really can't say it. It's a wow. Hmm. for watching. Sina: And then I what the solutions are, for example for me, because I comfortable the way I take of myself. That I do hair nicely, I put make-up that I nice clothes. It's also a very big self-care topic. And that's I think... that you shouldn't just blend it but just do your nails or go to the hairdresser. That can be nice and then you feel good and empowered. I think that's where just have to... The border is relatively thin, where... And where does too far? In self-optimization, where it goes too far? You spend a lot of on these treatments. You overdo it with Botox or you five the into gym to have the dream body and neglect social contacts. So that's, I would if it goes this, would say, okay, that's too much. And what she also says here is, she does a lot for men. So she well, why am I this anyway? The men always me the And I would definitely try to distance from Because no what you do, should for yourself. If you only put so that men can look you, then that's somehow the wrong way. Then you yes, maybe not put make-up. You should put make-up so that... You good in your skin. Alina: It's like that I think if I feel in my skin, it's the first thing that man will I don't know how old she is. Did she write Or is she our age? Sina: But I think... Oh, yes, yes, 37. So she's older already. Alina: Ah yes, right, she mentioned it That's I she already lot of experience. And think it's definitely... I agree you completely. First of should it totally for yourself. And as I said, if the outer with the inner, you your expression, then you comfortable, you feel great and you all people. And it's just in tune. And think that would on a man. So it could be that I'm just overdoing it and overdoing the whole thing. The fitness studio story is very individual. There are people who were maybe bit or experienced a great success through fitness studios. ⁓ And they are totally behind or rather they just a good feeling. And if they say, or generally if someone says, I've worked and I want every day and that's for me and my social contacts come afterwards, then it's for me too. So that's why I so difficult to say because it's so hard individually. Sina: Yeah. Alina: But in the end, think it's definitely possible to summarize it as always for yourself and definitely not for the men. But, I mean, now we've lot about the external things. We'll probably get to the emotional topics Unless you something to say because otherwise I continue. Sina: Yeah. Ne ne ne. ⁓ Ja, hack da mal rein. Alina: Okay, because I think that's definitely the think women work a lot on themselves, and they to as men, they do lot more self-reflection and are overall, well, I've only recently, and I think I've it five times in this podcast, but women have already been that they are just the more adaptable gender. They are adaptable and they adaptability. They learn from a age that they error-free and therefore rather question and say, okay, I'm something here. While for a man, it is at least in the last decades or centuries, necessarily put the balance. Sina: Hmm. Alina: they sometimes have problems, changes or making mistakes, because they usually get taught to their ground. And it's not calculated that a mistake could So the is, I'm to into my cave and see if I myself. And maybe I have a solution ready or if I the solution, then there's no solution. Sina: Mm-hmm. Yeah, total spannend. Alina: As as emotional work is would say women do it more. fine. Sina: Yeah. I think it's sad and I think it's good because it's... So it's sad that there's a difference between the genders. And I'm convinced that it's not biological. It comes from society, comes from education. It has a very strong impact on how women will be later. On the other hand, I think it's good that women have these abilities. as adult woman and really questions herself, reflects and then, in best case, also works So it's actually what she writes here, it's totally something good. She tries her horizon, she works her trauma. Yes, then she here, she tries out new recipes, new income sources and so on, so totally She writes, she always to a good daughter, sister, friend and partner. I find also exciting, because that goes a bit too far, that you yourself in this overoptimization. That you bit perfectionist. I want to the perfect partner, want to the perfect friend. Because we are all human beings and we are who we are and we our best. But you have to get from I want to a good daughter, sister. Because then you sometimes just yourself. And as I the border is very narrow, where a touch too much and a touch too much people-pleasing. And that's why I this thought that we women always play this perfectionist line. Alina: Hmm. Sina: Because the perfect woman, who by is not real. She looks great, is super intelligent, housewife, mother, has a thousand skills, works full-time, is successful, etc. But not as successful as man. There is a whole list. Alina: Hmm, yeah. Sina: She's totally hot, but she's also kind of like a Madonna, who doesn't have too many sexual experiences and stuff. The perfect woman is actually never reachable for a woman. That's why women often after her. This me this story from the book she She tries to perfect and perfect in She tries to achieve something that will never be achievable. And that's just frustrating. Alina: Yes, I can what you mean. There are billions of memes about I for a while. I only thought about You have so many different roles in life. Classically, job, girlfriend, mother, daughter, partner. Sina: Hmm. Mm-hmm. Alina: These the classics I had in my head and I always thought, how should all work? But I stopped it. Because it just doesn't It's just not possible. And I also a 120 % person. I would to everything 120 % but something suffers and it doesn't The day has only 24 hours. Correct. Correct. Sina: Yeah. Du leidest dann. Alina: Because all these roles, the person doesn't appear as It's always just that totally out. You're out, you're not with yourself. And it doesn't matter what I need but only what all these different roles need. And I think, well, some of me thinks that being mother is you to the limits, but that doesn't have be that. I would just put and it would if you that beforehand. Sina: Mm-hmm. Alina: But this 120 % doesn't work and you won't be satisfied. And I it's so cool sometimes, because if you a certain as you how do I done? yes, think, you think about when something doesn't work. A man just yes, I like that. Sina: Yeah. ⁓ Alina: That's so cool. I it was so cool. I'm just so old and I can't change anymore or something. I'm just like... Oh, they're done. Sina: Yeah, they it very, very easy. Yeah. And I think it's super important to this middle way because the role that you... Or not role, you just to be you. You have to Alina with all your facets. But you're not your role. And at the time... Alina: My recommended the book called Let Them Th- ⁓ sorry. Sina: And at the same time, you to yourself and question things. So somewhere between these two topics. If you think it, I think it's quite good. Alina: Yes, that sounded good. So, a friend recommended me a book, which I want to read it's called The Let Them Theory, where it's also about such... Really? Yes? Okay. Was that Sina: Hm, I read it. Yes, yes, yes. It an alarm. Yes, it is a good book. I think it's to be enough if the summary of the book somehow, because it's just okay. This let them is actually always the same concept. I hope I'm this well but the concept is somehow let them and then always the opposite concept let me. For example, let them talk. For example, we're the podcast now and maybe one or the other what are they there? for a project or something And then we say, let them talk. We're to it, we're them. But let me draw a line so that I from these people. And that's always this concept. And you to a lot of things. And in the book you a lot of examples of let them and let me scenarios. Alina: Mm-hmm. Okay. Sina: But yes, no, buy the book or read a summary. It's definitely a good book. Alina: Hm. Yeah. I think that's, I I've definitely hoped that you really stay safe, because, um, and I think that's a topic of society and I hope that men are slowly moving and are little more. And, yeah, that this whole topic Sina: is an exciting idea. salute. Okay, schöner Start. Dann lass uns zur nächsten Story. Alina: Good. Sina: I, 32, was by my cousin, 29, if I her boyfriend. We never talked and she all five potential boyfriends at the time. Then she started about the clothes that we should in the same store and about a one-week boyfriends' date at another place. I anything because I it in of her friends. But I her the next day and told that I financial reasons, but would in another way. We never really a relationship outside of family events. We don't even to regularly. I didn't even where her location was. But I didn't mention to her feelings. On the phone she seemed disappointed, but my position and we the conversation in a, as I thought, respectful manner. One or two days later her parents suddenly became incredibly angry and disappointed with me. And now my partner, who had supported me and I a huge argument because of My cousin has not me but I can only imagine that she the whole thing into play. The older I get, the more I realize that I social signals so well. But I don't why everyone reacts that. I was raised much that you a question I with a reasonable no. Why do I the feeling that I wrong? Alina: Okay. weddings always emotions, It's always that. Sina: The topic of when it's really emotional minefield. Alina: Auf jeden Fall. Sina: und eine extrem Yeah, it's just too emotional a topic for many people with very high expectations. To the wedding, but also to everyone who supposed to a role in yeah, so maybe first of to your question, did she something wrong? I would say no. I think she it really brilliantly. She didn't it at that moment when she was but she didn't say because she didn't want to the moment. Because she saw that her cousin asked everyone the time. I don't to as the one, no, I won't it, and maybe the mood. But she one day later. and said, hey, it's nothing for me for financial reasons. And she said, well, I this cousin. And I that's totally okay. I can honestly understand that, because I it's just my opinion. And I know that many others think differently, but I think it's really bizarre. what you need to expensive clothes, have to your hair done and should go vacation with everyone for or so. That's really cost-intensive. And I think she solved and I ask myself, my face, we're about a 32-year-old, a 29-year-old, what are the parents looking What is it that the parents have called and are disappointed? So why do the third have all? That's a thing between the two. Alina: effort. Yes, I think, first I'll any case, she has the total right to say no. It's a difficult no, she must have noticed But the bride must be disappointed I can That's the problem, when there's huge pressure, such immense pressure on such day, on such a single day. Because it has to the most day in life. That's crazy Sina: Mm-hmm. ⁓ Alina: So if you it as a birthday party, it wouldn't that bad. But it has the perfect day in life. She about 50,000 times, who she wants to marry and it has to be the exact number. And on and so on. so that's from side of the bride, of but also the point of our author. Sina: Hmm. Alina: Well solved, she said we should no in our lives because she just didn't want And I think, honestly, a week of young people's farewell is a bit too Except that you're really a crass, engaged group. So, if you're five girlfriends, I'd say, yeah, cool, let's a girls' trip. I that's kind funny. Sina: Yeah. Alina: If it a week, would be on its but I think we could talk it. Clothes, the same clothes. I would also like to it, but it depends on How should it go? Can't every woman miss the same hairstyle? Sina: Yeah, also, I think that even if you're in a circle of the different friends have different professions. One is working in the financial field and the other is working in the social field. And one, she can say, okay, let's a week, what do I think? Alina: Hmm. Sina: Now, let's go on the Maldives or let's somewhere, I know, to Bangkok or whatever, something really crazy. And for the other one, that's just not possible. And if, if something like really demanded, like we're for a week and all the brides grooms are supposed to then it just to financially for all, And before that, clearly put off. Or maybe the bride has to put Alina: I don't think the bride should decide I don't know how you know but I know that it's more the bride and for her. And it's always the duty of the faithful to ensure that all involved well. That's the curse and blessing of the faithful to everything in loop. Sina: Hmm. Alina: And that's not always easy, because it comes to a... Especially in young-sex-party, not everyone invited to a young-sex-party. That's quite often. Because the wedding is an intimate celebration and you young-sex-party a bit And bigger the group, the less it's possible to leave or to more than one day for Sina: ⁓ Alina: And then it starts, okay, where is your budget, how is it And that is actually for the bride. And if there are five brides, so they are or whatever, everyone the circle of celebrated so big, then maybe that's it. Then they are all somewhere in same financial framework, okay. I think that's planned for the bride and she wants to her girls with her. I think that's a bit... Actually, young couple is the only one. Yes, yes, that's my opinion. Sina: kommt auf die Braut an. Also, yeah, totally, totally. I see it the way. So in my circle of it's the It's just like, we're a young couple's and we're in a WhatsApp group and planning it and everyone's fine with it. But I think there are so many brides, especially nowadays, who really such crazy picture of what it should be It should be all like... Instagrammable and everything to perfect and so on, there are very high expectations. Whether they it themselves or it is organized but then also with very clear wishes. So less surprise. Alina: Hm, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, good. Finds, yeah. Aber, ja, also, also, ich sag mal, ja, okay, aber, aber, mal, sie hat jetzt halt nein gesagt, ne, weil sie es sich nicht leisten kann und weil sie sich damit nicht wohlfühlt und so, Also, ich weiß zum Beispiel auch, dass vor ein paar Jahren hat, ist zum Beispiel die Hochzeit meiner Cousine. Sina: I don't it's good either. I just think it is. Mm-hmm. Alina: I love date as that a girlfriend. I chose the wedding of my girlfriend because I much closer to Especially because my cousin's didn't take place. But I think that's you have to differentiate. Who do you really close Because if she doesn't close you, how close will she her husband? Or think she mentioned I'm not sure. Sina: Hmm. Alina: What I interesting, again, is the of intermingling. I find it completely odd that the parents are intermingling. I know, the wedding will very loudly, apparently. And will a huge wave in the background. I think too. The question is why she a fight with her partner, because he is not in the family So why is that a topic I wonder. Sina: Mm. I don't know about either, but maybe... Maybe it's her long-term partner and... I know. Probably he said, it's okay if you no. But there of stress in her family and maybe in his family as Maybe they're married or whatever. I don't know. But it seems to a crisis issue. Alina: It's just kind of awkward. Sina: And find it very sad how they all treat her that and how no one really accepts no's. And why would the person who says to blame? No is always... should be accepted generally, should be accepted generally in women. I think it's good that she communicates think it's good that she her boundaries. It would much dramatic if she had said and in the end would have somehow bad vibes. Therefore... Alina: You don't to someone who doesn't it and doesn't want who pressured into the situation. I think that could be to a stomach pain. But I think a little bit. I thinking if I some advice. I don't know if she can into a who might have more understanding. Maybe with her aunt or something. I don't know what kind of relationship they have. Sina: Yeah. Alina: But a certain point on, you're out of your old age. I can justify myself for something that. So... Sina: Yeah, think women often guilty when they boundaries. And what this family shows is that we don't like that you set and we don't like that you no. And I don't like that they like that. And as I the whole topic of is me... Alina: Yeah, totally. Sina: So a topic that's just so emotional and you notice how whole family is the wheel. Because one thing doesn't work and that's honestly what annoys me the most I don't know myself... if I a wedding this. see myself less less year in an event constellation, definitely. With so much stress and emotionality and much money that you put And regarding this money, I that it's also a... Alina: Hmm? Sina: is huge topic because if you 30.000€ for a f***ing day and then the bride and don't or something doesn't or the photographer is ill or whatever that's just... Voll der krasse Druck, der da auf einlasst. Alina: And I think you can it so nicely if you it relaxed. If you don't so much, but just maybe... Maybe you don't even that it's a wedding. That would be so crazy if you would hey, we want a garden. But you also want people to Well, but somehow you can also... They come more when you a wedding, which is a once in a lifetime topic. But... Sina: Yeah. Yeah, that's they're coming. Alina: It if everyone would and say, hey, we're a garden party and all ⁓ Sina: Yeah, total. I think that's will be with me Alina: Yeah. Or a long panel in the park, that would be awesome. There are some nice things. Sina: Yes, something like that. Totally. Something. A bit more because I'm slowly too old for reading something like that you still that. And yes, as I said, I it bit of a to come back that. I just it so sad that she's herself that question. The older I get, the more I that I'm social signals well. It's sad that this whole story ends in the that she feels guilty. I can understand Imagine you're the only one who against a gigantic family. You say no and then ten people of your family and say, are you an asshole that you go selfish and whatever. And then I think great that there's platform like Reddit where they really ask, hey, that really true? Am I an asshole? Am I the asshole? Or are they all just crazy? That's worth lot that you can Alina: Egoistic, no? But I think we are first of opinion that she communicated or that she should it she meant it. Sina: Absolut. Okay, dann kommen wir zur dritten Story. Alina: Okay. Yep. No, we are slow today. We much faster Sina: Yeah, but the last story is easy. Alina: The first one was long. But the truth was also crazy. Sina: Yes, and the first one was also more complex, because as you said, that's also a topic that you could talk And there are many different facets of this topic, this whole topic of industry and so on. Okay. and ⁓ all of his teachers from the first grade to the graduation. I thought the idea was brilliant and it. So every year I asked her teachers and teachers to something in the of course secretly, hidden from my daughter. This week she finished und ich hab ihr das Buch endlich gegeben. Sie hat ihren Jahrgang als bester abgeschlossen. Sie hat so viele Auszeichnungen bekommen, ich hab irgendwann aufgehört zu zählen. Aber als sie dieses Buch sah und gemerkt hat, dass all die Menschen in ihrem Leben nicht nur an sie geglaubt haben, sondern immer wussten, dass sie Großes erreichen würde, hat sie das mit einer überwältigten Welle aus Stolz gefüllt. Sie hat vor Freude geweint. She also understood how much time is it and felt how deeply her parents love her. And we have always in her. So to all parents out there whose children start school in steal this reddit tip. You will see the closing party what the parents of the year look Alina: Aww, that was cute. So cute. Sina: I thought that was super cute. really great idea. So she really got a big book and from the first grade on, every teacher probably a little noziz in Probably the class teacher first. And so on. Alina: Yeah. Sina: that they are sure that they will or what they do and so on. And it's already very, very sweet and just great to give away when you're really 18 years or how long do you to school? 13 years. Because you constantly. Yes, thought the idea was just so golden. Then I to immediately Yeah, let's take Alina: Let's see, when Hanna comes to school year, maybe I'll that. And funnily enough, I don't know, but a poetry album, the kids don't it like we did And I think we haven't like our parents have. But my poetry album are actually a teachers. Sina: ⁓ Stimmt, ja. Boah, hast du dein Poesiealbum noch? Alina: Yes, I still that. I even where. And is definitely a teacher in I definitely my primary school teacher, but definitely also few teachers here from our school back then. Sina: Maybe we should briefly say what a poetry album is, because I don't even know if younger listeners know it. Maybe know it, but... Alina: Oh, okay. Oh god, okay. There were two types had these classic friend books. Diddel friend books, where you okay, how old am I? Who's my swan? My favorite subject, my hobby, and stuff like With a picture in and maybe a small field for a sentence. But the original version is actually book of empty pages. where you wrote a saying, like, like, like, live happy, live happy, like the mops in the oat straw. I think you that Sina, by the way. I think you wrote that Yeah, that's cool. I always liked to something with, something, something with, you don't out of, or you, Sina: They're so low-key! Alina: You definitely ask That was one my phrases, but I can't think of now. And I the rainbow fish on me. And then you in this classic You the left side and then you your name and date. And yes, I think I got from my aunt back my first And she the first saying. And then you it to friends the And I actually it to one or two teachers. Sina: Hmm. Alina: But only those I liked. That's I to say. Sina: I am. Alina: Weil Sina: Yeah, that's, as I just, yeah. Alina: I think you want the same thing as I do, because I have... Sina: When I read I thought, maybe my primary school teachers would something nice in But I was not a super teacher like this girl who just And I wasn't the teacher's favorite, on contrary. I imagined it as... Alina: Yeah. Sina: I don't I always the feeling that the teachers had something against me. I was just very lazy. And I didn't if my teachers wrote something really great about me, what they think I'll I know, I don't think so. Alina: Hmm, yeah. Detour. Sina: They were all never really supportive of me, the teachers. There were always one or two great teachers, but would say the majority of the teachers were like... primordial stones that... ...I know, didn't them that... Alina: I think there's even my poetry book, I think even a teacher in there who wasn't necessarily your best friend, if I remember I had to the time when I the story. Because yes, are teachers with whom you somehow... Sina: There is one teacher who is a German teacher. Alina: I'm not sure. Yes, I'm not sure, but I think so. I think I to in fifth or sixth grade, but not all. It can't be. I have to look But a few teachers, our class teacher was definitely in it, for example. And then maybe one or two teachers would do it, because not everyone Sina: Yeah. Asshloch. Yeah. Alina: And then I also wondered, it would awesome if all the students would and all of them would a book and would it to their teachers. But maybe that have earlier, so we have to see Sina: No idea. But I think what the parents are now definitely more Did they have one Poesie-album. Alina: My mother definitely me IS. ⁓ Yeah. I mean, yes, yes, full, that was a lot, she even two full ones. So they that totally back then. that was, that was more their time. Sina: Yeah. Yeah, nee, also es ist auf jeden Fall eine coole Idee, ich muss mal meins suchen, dann mal gucken, wer da so drin steht. Vielleicht, ich hoffe, dass ich das noch irgendwo bei meinen Eltern habe. Vielleicht auf dem Dachboden oder so. Ja, aber auf jeden Fall, also das ist ja, was sie macht, ist ja einfach so bisschen anders. Das sind ja so die Eltern, die das nur den Lehrern geben, nicht den Freunden und so. Und dann ist das natürlich auch echt. Alina: You Sina: a surprise. I think that's very emotional when you see that people have written lot of nice and good things about you And I don't know, it's also a difference if you say something like, yes, I'm proud of you or that you're really in like, I've always in you. 10 years ago a teacher wrote a poem about how something big or that she would make It's so beautiful and a nice farewell gift from the track. It's a great memory. Alina: Hmm. Sina: So would picked like Totally... Alina: Hmm. I have to think it. I think it's a very sweet idea, especially because you don't expect it. And because we're the school entrance I know this whole topic. I don't my school entrance was that but this a huge party. I want to really cool. I'm really forward to But you have to plan because it's year ahead, with location and all the fun. I've about it Yes, and that would be a nice gesture, just to everyone involved, everyone who is invited there, just it a nice little guest book. And maybe for few years, I is also gold. Or what we do with my trainees or what we with them. Sina: Yeah, ach krass cool. ⁓ Mmm. So time. Alina: They them letter themselves at beginning of education. A bit like this, yes, I never read them. They their own letters, you to say But one or the other, it's always nice to see them holding this letter in their hands and smoothing And yes, some people write in nonsense, but some people write like that, yes. Sina: ⁓ Yeah. Alina: I want to this that, and I this that in have the idea of it. It's always really cute. Yeah. Yeah. Sina: Total schön! Alina: Ach ja, schönes, herzarwärmendes Thema. Zum Abschluss. Sina: It's a nice year. thought we would something easy. But I think I will do it. Mara some time until she comes I have a Polaroid camera and I thought I would with her teachers. Alina: Hmm. Sina: I'm of this year because next year it be another guitar. So maybe you follow this path a little bit. Maybe I'll the teacher if she something nice for Mara, which she can read and then it a polaroid picture. That could be the start of book. and the process until she goes Alina: ⁓ Yeah, I think... I don't even how it turned out. I think we had from elementary school and stuff. And some pictures. It's always cool. I honestly have one box where all these things are Also from the past. Those really... Also our class photos, Nina. They're in Sina: Now. ⁓ god, please! You can press No, cool. But I have, I don't for me it's... Yeah, no, great. And then it's even better that it get lost. So for me it's honestly already... I don't know where the whole thing is and our friends books and stuff, but I have it again. Alina: I have few times and yes... Sina: Okay, dann würde ich sagen sind wir durch. Schöner Podcast. Danke fürs Zuhören und bis zum nächsten Mal. Tschüss. Alina: That's it. and tschu!