Gina Beavers: Hi, this is Gina Beavers. Timoteo: And this is Timothy Hall. Gina Beavers: And welcome to the Lyme disease helpline. How can we help you? I'm sorry, that's was that too soon? Am I making a joke about Timoteo: No. Gina Beavers: something that's actually quite traumatic? Sorry. that's right. Right. Timoteo: But it's like welcome to Bionic, believe it or not, I care. Gina Beavers: I couldn't remember all those words. I'm sorry. And I Timoteo: Ha ha ha Gina Beavers: I don't remember pump up the volume that well because, yeah. Timoteo: Pump up of the volume is why I'm doing a radio show, is why I'm doing a podcast, is pump up the volume. Gina Beavers: Finally we hear the truth. Yeah. Timoteo: One of the greatest soundtracks of all time is the Pump Up the Volume soundtrack with the UK Gina Beavers: Yeah. Timoteo: surf version of Wave of Mutilation by the Pixies. Look it up if you don't know it. But anyway, Gina Beavers: right, right, right, right, right. That's a classic. Yeah. Timoteo: the movie is amazing because it's about like a pirate radio station that like makes a difference and like Gina Beavers: Mm-hmm. Timoteo: anyway, go see the movie if you haven't seen it. But anyway, welcome to Unstretched. We're back. Gina Beavers: Yes. Yes. It's been a little bit of a like hiatus because of just unforeseen events. And that's just, you know, that's life. And that's an artist's life. Juggling many things. Timoteo: I would I would definitely call my coming down with Lyme disease a very Gina Beavers: Yeah. Timoteo: unexpected event. Yes, because that's actually why we didn't record last Monday, because I was in the emergency room three different times. I was in the emergency room on Sunday night, Monday all day, and most of Gina Beavers: so terrible, so terrible Timoteo: the day because of unable to diagnose. Gina Beavers: my god. Timoteo: Intermittent double vision, which of course they first thought I was having a stroke, and Gina Beavers: my gosh. Timoteo: then they had to do a CAT scan, then they had to, I had to go to another emergency room to do an MRI. It, you know, I was there for like seven hours waiting. I finally said to the doctor, I it was I was me actually, not a doctor, but me who said, Why don't you do a Lyme test? Because this is actually the Fourth or maybe fifth time I've had Lyme disease since 2000. So I kind of had Gina Beavers: my gosh. Timoteo: like once the CAT scan and the MRI were fine, I was like, okay, I think that this is probably Lyme disease. And of course, it turns out that it was. And so they put me on antibiotic Gina Beavers: my gosh. Yeah. Yeah. Timoteo: right away. And a couple like within two days, my eye my vision came back to being normal and I was able Gina Beavers: my god. Timoteo: to see. But but it was nuts because I actually went out to Kent State University. To do you know, visiting lecture and grad crits in the painting department. And Gina Beavers: Yes. Timoteo: I get there and my vision goes totally double. And like I'm like having dinner with Gianni Comito and Sean Powell and a bunch of other faculty at Kent State, and I'm literally seeing double vision of everything. And I don't wanna get into like, you know, How I actually dealt with that, but I got through it all. I got through my lecture, I got through the grad crits, and it was great. Like Gianna was like, it didn't even seem like you were in a crisis, but but the double vision was intermittent. So like it would come Gina Beavers: Hm. Timoteo: on really strong, but not when I was reading and not when I was driving. It was just when I was ambulatory. So I was able to kind of still function. To a degree, like I was able to give my lecture, I was able to do the grad crits because I was like sitting Gina Beavers: Yeah. God. Timoteo: there. But the minute I would stand up and start moving around, I would get insane double vision, like crazy. Like it was like as if you cross your eyes. Yeah. And I kind Gina Beavers: my God, it's so terrible. Ugh Timoteo: of the thing that tipped me off too that it was probably Lyme is there was an attendant fever and kind of ache behind my eyes that Gina Beavers: Mm. Timoteo: I was like, that that doesn't really seem like it's a stroke. or you know, brain cancer or something. Gina Beavers: Yeah, like a fever. Yeah. Timoteo: but but they still the minute you walk into a emergency room and say you have double vision, the first thing they assume is that you're having a stroke. So that's why they Gina Beavers: they think it's a stroke. Yeah. Timoteo: do the CAT scan and the MRI and all that other stuff. But Gina Beavers: Yeah, yeah. my god. Timoteo: but yeah, so you know living up, you know, in Warwick, having a garden, being outside all the time, having animals coming in and out. Even though I do tick checks and I spray myself and I Take so many precautions, you just can't you can't totally game the system of Lyme disease. You're you're gonna get it. Gina Beavers: Yeah. my gosh. Yeah, totally. Well, I'm glad you're feeling so much better. And I only made that joke because you had said that it you'd had it so many times that I feel like, you know, and you were saying also f a lot of artists have moved upstate. Like people are very curious about Lyme disease and I feel like you probably have more experiences with it than most people. So yeah. Timoteo: I would tell most people that if all of a sudden you get like weird fevers, chills, headaches, and you live like in the Hudson Valley, I would say the first thing you should think is Lyme disease. Like, don't think it's just Gina Beavers: Yeah, slime. Yeah. Timoteo: like like a summer flu or something. I feel like Gina Beavers: Right, right. Timoteo: like Lyme disease should probably be your first go-to. Cause that's usually how it's presented to me is like an extreme piercing headache and like kind of flu-like shaking and fevery kind Gina Beavers: gosh, yeah. Timoteo: of. Symptoms or ache, full body aching. This double vision, and that's that was the sort of new one, so it threw me off a little bit. But Gina Beavers: Mm. Timoteo: I but I my intuition sort of kicked in and I was like, hmm, I think this could be it. But amazingly, Gina Beavers: Yeah, this is Timoteo: it did not damper my visit to Kent State, which is such an amazing university. Their art department blew my mind. And their grad program for painting is incredible. Gina Beavers: Hm. Timoteo: Like you can go there for free people. Like go to Kent Gina Beavers: Yeah. Timoteo: State. Like you, you, it's it's fully funded. You get to teach courses as well. So you get experienced Gina Beavers: Mm-hmm. Timoteo: teaching. There's a stipend, and you get to work with Gianni Comito and Sean Powell and other really amazing world-class faculty, and their facilities are amazing. And yeah, okay, maybe Kent State's like a little. Isolated, but that's good if you want to really buckle down Gina Beavers: Mm-hmm. Timoteo: and focus on building a body of work. So I was really blown away by that. And I love the the grad painting students there. We spent a lot of time together really getting into the weeds of painting. the my lecture was really well received. There were lots of people there, the the the audio visual. situation, the auditorium was great, everything. It was like really the hospitality was fantastic. I just boop can't say enough. Gina Beavers: that's so amazing. That's really, really cool. Yeah, I had gone a w now I'm trying to remember when I went, like pre p pandemic? Is it been? Timoteo: Yeah, Gianna told me you were there to do the blossom th they have like a they have this program in the summer called Blossom and they invite artists to come Gina Beavers: yes, okay, yeah. Timoteo: and give a lecture or do a workshop or something. Sh yeah. Gina Beavers: Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was really cool. that's awesome. I mean, yeah, free ride, like to go to school. I mean, there are other programs I was thinking, like Cornell, I think has a pretty good generous program. I'm I had gone one time to Tampa to USF. I think they have a three year program where you teach and I think it's funded as well. my friend Jake Trolley went there. And Sue Havens is kind of a linchpin of that program teaching there. She's such a wonderful artist. So yeah. Look up look up programs. Timoteo: Yeah, it's only like the big it's only the big East Coast like New England programs that bankrupt you or make you pay student loans for twenty five years. That's all I Gina Beavers: Totally, totally, totally. And this is definitely the time to look into more affordable options if you're gonna go. Yeah. Timoteo: Absolutely. Yeah, that's why I wanted to pump it. Gina Beavers: Well also because like I've heard that MFA funding, like loans from the federal government are running out. because Trump has set there's this new rule from the Department of Education that your MF your master's degree, people with that master's degree have to make more money than people with that bachelor's. So I've heard stories Timoteo: Yeah, that's something to worry about now, but I'm not I think that that's something that can be rolled back really easily or quickly or changed. Gina Beavers: No, but I but I heard from someone who teaches in a master's program that their master's students are not getting funding for the rest of their degree. Like it's already, yeah, it's already Timoteo: already. Wow. Gina Beavers: in. So they're crowdfunding trying to get that money for a debr degree program that they've already been enrolled, you know, enrolled in, Timoteo: Yeah. Gina Beavers: that they're gonna have to drop out of if they don't get the loans. Yeah. Timoteo: That's worth getting even more politically active on. You know, people just need to get more politically active on this stuff. It's like we can't just take it for granted anymore. Gina Beavers: Yeah. I know. I know. I know. well the super easy thing to do is just like vote. Timoteo: Yeah. Gina Beavers: I mean it's just and honestly, it's once I mean for the national election, for the presidential election, it's once every four years. It's one day every four years where you have to get your shit together. And none of this would have happened, you know. Timoteo: For some people they just can't be bothered. Or one issue is too is so big that they wanna sit it out or yeah. Gina Beavers: Or or they get so distracted or proportion, you know, lack all sense of proportion or whatever it is. but yeah, that's all, you know. anyway, sorry. you know, one of the things here, I'm in the Bay Area and California College of Arts and Crafts is no more. I guess it's gotten Timoteo: Yeah. Gina Beavers: bought or it's being taken over by Vanderbilt. Yeah, so they're taking the school and I don't I guess they're gonna continue an art program, but it's not gonna be like, you know, the sole focus and anyway, it's it's really devastating. Yeah, what is the what is the part two Timoteo: There's a lot of people going through it right now. I mean, like the new school laid off a ton of faculty, even tenured faculty. I mean, think of all the poor Gina Beavers: Yeah. Yeah. Timoteo: faculty at Hampshire College who all like lost their jobs. Like, I mean, there's so many people in higher ed who are just being Gina Beavers: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I heard l yeah. Timoteo: tossed to the wind and Gina Beavers: One of the new deals at Pratt was that they weren't going to get healthcare. It was like their new contract that they're negotiating was like, Well, you have to sacrifice something and they were saying, Well, no no health care for new hires or something. Like it's Timoteo: Wow. Gina Beavers: just insane, you know, just really, really insane. Timoteo: Yeah, the only thing that's made you know, I I had before I have this full-time substitute position at CUNY, I was a longtime adjunct there. And the most wonderful thing though about CUNY is that if you can manage to consistently teach two classes there, they give you their like city healthcare. Gina Beavers: Yeah. Timoteo: And that has saved my life. Like I so like I'm sort of forever Gina Beavers: Yeah, yeah. Timoteo: indebted to the union, the PSC union at CUNY that like allows that to happen. Gina Beavers: Mm. Mm. Timoteo: But Gina Beavers: Yeah. Timoteo: But other than that there's like s almost like zero job security or, you know, I mean, Gina Beavers: Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. No, totally. yeah. I what have I been up to? Timoteo: Yeah, tell us something good. Tell us something Gina Beavers: well I I the artist Vince Infecto and actually goes by Vince. I I'm saying Fecto because that's the French pronunciation, but I should have asked him when he was here how to pronounce his last name. Yeah, like how he Timoteo: What's the American pronunciation? Yeah, like Gina Beavers: but he's lived in San Francisco since the nineties. he shows at Matthew Marks. In fact he has a show coming up in the spring. So hopefully he'll be out in New York. Timoteo: wait, didn't he win the MacArthur Award? Gina Beavers: I think like ten yeah, like two thousand sixteen maybe, something like that. Yeah. So Timoteo: Amazing. See winning that would solve all my problems. Gina Beavers: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, but we had a great day. He he was out. We walked to the beach and walked around and I heard a little bit of about San Francisco and the art scene here and yeah, it was it was just really cool. And then he came to dinner. We have these like group dinners at the headlands that are really amazing, cooked by this amazing team and a chef and He came to dinner and yeah, it was it was cool. So it was fun to yeah, been doing little studio visits with people and connecting with people out here and it's pretty great. I mean, there's part of me that's like I think I I belong here in a certain way 'cause my parents are both Californians and there's just like an ease of like No, it's mostly just like a Timoteo: don't do it. I need you nearby. Gina Beavers: No, no, it's like a personality thing. Like I feel Timoteo: Yeah. Gina Beavers: like I heard this woman at the art store like at the counter buying something and just talking the guy's ear off. And he was like so nice. And I was just like, this sounds like me. Like this kind of like a little bit flaky, like I'll talk to anyone and like I don't know. There's just a little bit of a, you know, I've been trying to fit in in New York and New Jersey for a long time and like feeling like yeah. Timoteo: See no bring that California vibe back to New York and like let that be the way that you are here. Gina Beavers: I know. I try. I know. I'm gonna try. I'm gonna try. I also discovered like one of the things I love here is walking home at night, like under the stars, like to my house from the studio. It like but being like in nature at night, like before I go to bed. So that's Timoteo: Yeah. Gina Beavers: one thing I'm gonna try to do when I get back to JERS is like sit out on the deck every night for like ten minutes, even if it's like Timoteo: Under the under the street lights and the glows of New York City. Gina Beavers: No. Yeah, that's true actually. There is a lot of light pollution like from New York, but but still I'm like I just wanna reconnect with like I don't know, being outside at night. Like it's just cool. Timoteo: Yeah. I mean that's important. That's one of the things that I love and cherish about living most of my time upstate is it's very quiet and it's very nature oriented. And yes, I get Lyme disease, but you know, that's a sort of small price to pay for a jet for the general feeling of like touching grass on a regular basis. Gina Beavers: Yeah. Sorry. For being totally, totally hmm. Yeah, that's cool. So yeah, so that's pretty much yeah. Timoteo: So with all these like visits though, are is this something that like before you left you kind of set all these things up? Or have people been sort of contacting you because they know you're there? Or did, you know, have other people helped set these things up, or does the residency like like how how does it work Gina Beavers: Yeah. Timoteo: in terms of all these kind of visits or meetings or other things you've Gina Beavers: Yeah, you just have to like you know, you say that you're coming and then a bunch of people get in touch with you, like let's hang out and then you just have to be kind of diligent about following through. And then people have just it's very chill out here. Like people will message you the week of, like, I'm gonna come, like go for a hike or whatever, and studio visit, like, are you around? And you know, it's very some things I planned before I got here. like Jessica Silverman has an opening in a couple of weeks and like that was facilit like Like just letting me know about that was facilitated by the gallery and things like some things are being set up by the gallery, but mostly it's just me trying to be like Timoteo: Better but by the gallery meaning Marian Bosky Gallery you're saying. Okay. Gina Beavers: Yeah, yeah. Like you know, you should go to this opening or like you should go like there was a big I went to Palo Alto to the Hauser and Wirth opening. it was just an incredibly hot day. Like I've become extremely like used to the foggy kind of cozy sweatshirt weather in Northern California and we went like an hour. Palo Alto is a little bit over an hour south. inland and it was like ninety-six degrees. Like it was so hot. and I felt like I was I couldn't handle it. But I'm like, you're from the East Coast. Like you have humidity. Like what's your problem? Why are you so I Timoteo: Yeah. Gina Beavers: was just like so weak. Like I can't but yeah they had so Hauser had this like big street fair with like food trucks. But there were kind of long lines. It was a little bit packed. Did recognize some people from New York. There was a talk in the bookstore because they have a bookstore set up. With Musa Mayer, reading from this book, she was Gustin's daughter. She is Gustin's daughter, and her book is journal entries from her mom about living with Gustin. so we went to a bit of that, we went to the museum. Timoteo: That must have been hard living with Augustine. Gina Beavers: It sounded it sounded not so easy. Yeah, some of the some Timoteo: Yeah. Gina Beavers: of the excerpts sounded like, okay, that sounds tough. yeah, we went to the museum there, which is great, the canter. they have a giant debcast yo oi out front, which is like the one in Brooklyn. Isn't there one in Brooklyn? Yeah. Yeah. cool. cool. Timoteo: Yeah. Yeah, the Cantor. I know the Cantor. Patrick Crowley is the curator there. He's an old friend of mine, Patch Crowley. He just curated a show there. Yeah. And Veronica Roberts is there too. She's like the head curator. Gina Beavers: cool. I'd love to know which one. Yeah. cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have to go back on a day when I can like meet up with people because we went on the weekend and so none of the curators were around. Yeah, they have a great great Timoteo: No, they're doing some amazing stuff at the canter. Definitely. I'd like to go out there. You're lucky. Gina Beavers: collection, really interesting stuff. They have beautiful, like a Rodin garden with the gates of hell and all these different Rodin sculptures, which was fun. yeah. Timoteo: I can relate. Gina Beavers: So yes, totally. So it was it was an interesting day. It was yeah, it was definitely like a little bit of a scene at the Hauser opening. They had like a George O'Keefe Alexander Calder show, which is But it's interesting to hear from people who are from the area. One of my housemates at the Headlands lives there in Palo Alto and was like, it's interesting from their perspective because Gagojans made a go of it there. Like there have been a few galleries who've tried to make it work. so now Hauser's kind of trying. So I don't know. We'll see what happens with that. We'll see what happens. Yeah. Timoteo: Good luck to them. We'll see we'll see what happens when AI kills everyone in three years anyway. It wouldn't all matter, so Gina Beavers: God, no, no, are you okay? Are you feeling better about how terrible humans can be? Timoteo: let's let's like put that feather in a different cap and we'll come back to that. But I wanted to talk Gina Beavers: Okay. okay. Timoteo: about you had mentioned that you had gone to a talk and it reminded me that one of the highlights of my week actually was going Gina Beavers: Yeah. Timoteo: to the most wonderful talk. So it was really a highlight of my week. I went to Luring Augustine on Saturday to a A panel discussion that's Gina Beavers: Mm-hmm. Timoteo: part of a group show there. It's like the fall group show. It's called Settle for a Good Fantasy that Lauren Whittles curated. And it all brings all these really interesting and different photographers together. Most interestingly to me, Janice Guy and Joe Mama Nitzberg. And they were on the panel, and the Gina Beavers: Mm. Timoteo: Janice Guy had this series of photographs of herself from the mid-70s, I think. And they were Gina Beavers: Mm-hmm. Timoteo: so beautiful. Like there was the it was like a triptych and it's a unique piece. And it's her her face in three different poses in a mirror, but the background is is the fixed focus and the foreground, which is her, is sort of unstable and out of focus. Gina Beavers: Mm. Timoteo: And it really has a beautiful sense of movement and like Gina Beavers: Hmm. Timoteo: push and pull in the picture plane and really plays with the figure ground relationship in in a fascinating way. So formally it's really interesting, but then the gazes that she has totally captured my imagination. Gina Beavers: Mm. Timoteo: And while I was sitting in this talk, I was just like focused on this on this little triptych that that she had done. And and then Joe Mama Nitzberg was talking about his work and how there's a lot of humor in it, even though deals a really depressing Kind of topics. Like he has this, he he does like what we call maybe like kind of Photoshop graphic design conceptual artwork, where he made these movie posters or kind of memes of things that don't really exist. One of them Gina Beavers: Mm. Timoteo: was a poster as if Ryan White and Matthew Shepard and Pedro Zamora had not died of AIDS and if they were still alive and what they would look like at like, you know, 60 years old or something s you know, 65, 70 years old. And Gina Beavers: Mm. Timoteo: it was so moving and sad, but also fucking hilarious. Like the poster Gina Beavers: Mm. Timoteo: was like so absurd and so sort of sort of Gina Beavers: Mm-hmm. Timoteo: campy. And that's what I really resonated with his work is that it like. It it has so much pathos in it that you could be looking at this image that makes you so deeply pensive and sad and pondering you know life, but Gina Beavers: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Timoteo: then also conversely laughing out loud and wanting to kind of scream with l riotous laughter. And I was telling Joe that like that's a really amazing place that art can exist. Gina Beavers: That you could actually that's so interesting because it reminds me of an artist who's here and I'm just like frantically trying to find Elliot's last name because we just go by first names and I'm like, What is Elliot's last name? I will Timoteo: So you're like in a cult? It's like sister Gina, brother Elliot. Gina Beavers: I will why how why can't I gosh. anyway, Elliot's work He finds the formerly a dancer and a choreographer, now kind of doing these photographs, staging these photographs, often in drag, inhabiting different historical moments, including one that he showed us was a photo he found in his grandparents' house, that they had gotten back from the Nixon campaign supporting Nixon, and it was a picture of Nancy Reagan with Pat Nixon. and so he and a and a friend dressed up in drag in these different roles as a way to sort of investigate, you know, this kind of hateful moment in term in in his terms of his history, you know, being sort of persecuted as an LGBT person. And yet having family members who supported such a conservative kind of ideology like this Nancy Reagan, Nixon. so kind of twisting this, it's like this kind of moment that could be really dark, but then turns into something a little more Like funny fun, funny, campy, you know, just like and getting all of the dress, all the seventies clothing and the wigs and everything like perfect for this recreation. I don't know. They're pretty, pretty great. They turn a lot of these moments on their heads kind of in this playful way that's also makes you kind of think, you know. Anyway, I will Yeah. Yeah. Timoteo: that's definitely what Joe Mama Nitzberg's work does. It it definitely makes you you have to take like a double or triple take out and be like, Wait, what the fuck is that? Because that doesn't like Gina Beavers: Yeah. Timoteo: you know, that definitely makes me feel a lot of weird things and he he Gina Beavers: Yeah, yeah. Timoteo: usually said he knows the work is done where it has a great mix of like total cringe and like like but also like total hilarity. Like it has to sort of be in that like spot and either it is Gina Beavers: Uh-huh. It has to Timoteo: or it you know, either it works or it doesn't work. And Gina Beavers: Right, right. Timoteo: So that was a fun thing and and I loved it that at this sort of beginning of the talk, Lauren Whittles was like like pushing bags of popcorn on everyone. Like like literally like four like she would not let me go into the space without accepting like a bag of popcorn because it's like she wanted Gina Beavers: That's amazing. Timoteo: everyone to feel like they were being thoroughly entertained, you know. So I just thought that was kind of like a fun idea of like, you know, here you have to, you know, enjoy yourself during this talk and She's fun. I like she's she like had the most wonderful or reverent outfit on. I like I Gina Beavers: Mm. Timoteo: always love her. I don't know if you ever if you know her or follow her, but her Instagram has like the most Gina Beavers: No, I don't know. Timoteo: fun fashion. She's definitely got a really good eye for personal style. Gina Beavers: that's so cool. That is yeah, I'll definitely have to. Yeah, I've definitely seen her. I've Timoteo: So that was a fun that was a fun day. Gina Beavers: seen her online. I don't think I've ever met her. Or maybe maybe I've met her briefly. yeah. I'm sorry. I'm still looking here for Elliot's last name. Mercer! Elliot. Elliot Mercer from Chicago. Okay. yeah. Timoteo: I mean the only thing that was missing at that panel discussion Elliot Mercer. Okay. Yeah. I was I was gonna say the only thing missing from like, you know, the lineup of people who were talking at this at this on this panel was like Pat Smear smoking because I I don't know if you if you caught that, but like at the I think it was the VMA awards or something like that. I I Gina Beavers: Mm. Timoteo: don't really follow all those things, but there was some video music award. That's a VMA. Gina Beavers: Yeah. Timoteo: Where Nirvana got like a lifetime achievement award of some type. Gina Beavers: Mm. Timoteo: And the old guys from Nirvana, like David Grohl and David whoever, like went up to accept the award. And Pat Smear came up too, who was sort of like an on-again, off again member of Nirvana and the Foo Fighters. And during Gina Beavers: Mm. Timoteo: the acceptance speech, Pat Smear just lights up a cigarette on stage, like just casually, just like, you know, really kind of it's like Gina Beavers: huh. Timoteo: smoking. On stage and it went viral in a way that most people Gina Beavers: Yeah. Timoteo: were like, This is terrible. Smoking is bad for you. Like, you know, I can't believe he was smoking on the stage at the VMA. And I was like, Thank fucking God, some like punk is still alive. Like, you know, I I was like, that is that is exactly how I feel right now. Like, if I had a fucking Gina Beavers: Yeah. Uhhuh. Yeah. Timoteo: award for something, I'd be up there smoking because I'm like, you know what. Gina Beavers: Okay. Yeah. Timoteo: Nobody cares. It doesn't matter. We're all AI is probably gonna kill us all in three years anyway. So like why are we even bothering? Like and I just love that. I think I posted it under my Instagram because I was like, this is actually the energy right now that I think I don't know, works for me. I don't know, works for me. Gina Beavers: Yeah. We're just yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean I think, yeah, why not just be yourself and fully not feel guilt if you're not hurting anybody? you know, I guess there's secondhand smoke, but I'm just kidding. yeah. Timoteo: You know, the other day, like someone mentioned Mr. Holland's Opus to me because I don't know if you remember that movie, but it's like Gina Beavers: God. Barely, yeah. Timoteo: okay, so it it came out in the like late 90s, and it's about Gina Beavers: Yeah. Timoteo: this like incredibly transformative teacher who was like a music teacher, and Gina Beavers: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Timoteo: he touched the lives of so many students, and everyone Gina Beavers: Yeah. Timoteo: loved him, and he was so popular, and he built the music program, and And he had his own private artwork, his music that he was creating as well. And Gina Beavers: Mm. Timoteo: towards the end of his career, the music department is getting shut down because of budget cuts. And Gina Beavers: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Timoteo: he's effectively losing his job because of Gina Beavers: Mm-hmm. Timoteo: different priorities that the school district has. Gina Beavers: Mm-hmm. Timoteo: And everyone is, of course, up in arms about it. Like, how could they, Gina Beavers: Mm-hmm. Timoteo: how could they give the shaft to this like, great teacher that everyone loves who's such an integral part of the you know school system. Gina Beavers: Mm. Timoteo: But the sort of sad story is that, you know, like again, like the institution doesn't care. Like the there's Gina Beavers: Mm. Timoteo: there's choices that need to be made because of budgets or departmental needs or that kind of thing. And the institution doesn't actually care if you are this gifted, amazing, wonderful, you know, educator. Gina Beavers: Mm-hmm. Timoteo: And so at the end, they have a big Going away party for him where they play his his masterpiece, like Mr. Holland's opus. And at the end, the governor of the state shows up and is like, I was his student and I played the flute and he gave me the skills to become like the governor of the state. And now I'm going to play the flute for you. And so the fucking governor makes it all about herself and plays the flute. Gina Beavers: Uh-huh. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Timoteo: And then everyone takes a bow and the movie is over. And I'm like, you know what? No, fuck Gina Beavers: Mm-hmm. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Timoteo: you. This is this is not a feel-good movie. This movie is about how fucked up the system is and how that governor, that governor actually Gina Beavers: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Timoteo: was probably the only person who actually had the power to s Gina Beavers: Mm-mm. Mm-hmm. Timoteo: to to give that Mr. Holland his job back. To actually say, like, no. Gina Beavers: Yeah. Right. To do it. Yeah. Timoteo: We're not gonna shut down this program. We will find the money for this program. I'm the governor. I have the power to do that kind of thing. And yet the governor shows up and is like, well, too bad. Gina Beavers: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, technically. Yeah. Timoteo: I'm gonna play the flute for you all. And I'm terrible at it anyway. And Gina Beavers: Yeah. Yeah. Timoteo: I'm like, no, you know, that that movie though was seen as like a feel-good kind of movie. But I know I flipped it on its head and I think it's a feel shitty kind of movie. I feel like it's Gina Beavers: Mm, mm hmm. Mm-hmm. Right, right. You see it the other way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Timoteo: a movie that made it okay, made people feel okay with Gina Beavers: Mm. Timoteo: these kinds of institutional shenanigans that that Gina Beavers: Hm. Yeah. Timoteo: often screw people over. Gina Beavers: Yeah. Timoteo: And and so I just got in this crusade the other day where I was like, you know, we need to, we need to just change our priorities a little bit. And I know that it's like, Gina Beavers: Yeah. Timoteo: I know I'm screaming against the wind. I'm like basically like, you know, Gina Beavers: Yeah, right. And speaking to like a sympathetic audience, 'cause I'm sure that like everybody listening is like, yes, Timoteo: Exactly. Gina Beavers: yeah. No, but you're right. I mean, it's about our priorities and ultimately like You know, I know that we have limits on our political power and we have a lot of money in the system and all this stuff, but at the end of the day, we do have the power to put people like for our representatives to reflect our values and the things we care about. And like if we care about art, if we care about education, if we you know, like trying to push those people into p positions where they can make those decisions, you know? I mean, I I don't know. Timoteo: I had this fantasy the other day that I wanted to sh switch into like academic leadership and become like a dean or a provost or something. So Gina Beavers: Yeah. yeah yeah. Timoteo: I could be the only person there trying to make a difference. Like I like, like Gina Beavers: Yeah, well Timoteo: I wanna I wanna go into those positions and be like, no, we're gonna keep this faculty, we're gonna or we're gonna work harder to to support the the work that these people are doing. Like, you know, I feel like Gina Beavers: Yeah. Mhm. Mhm. Yeah. Right. Timoteo: so much in my own life experience, it's it people like Gina Beavers: Well, I ha Timoteo: in those positions, they they don't care. They don't they it's Gina Beavers: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Timoteo: so hard to get them to see the forest for the trees. And I'm just trying to s you know, I feel like John the Baptist Gina Beavers: Right, right, right. Well, what about cause I Timoteo: crying in the wilderness of the desert, Gina. I feel like John the fucking Gina Beavers: One of the I understand one of the things, and this is gonna be controversial, but having come out of the space, what about high school education or public education or because I know for instance I heard of two professors from CCA from the Calvo California College of Arts and Crafts that are one of them ended up as a high school dean. anyway, I'm I'm just if there's still money in public education and still money in you know, yeah. Timoteo: I don't think that there is. I think it's just as as impossible. I mean I I saw somewhere that the highest rates of burnout in jobs is first public education and second higher education. So like I feel like yeah. Gina Beavers: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, no, I don't think that it's easy. I'm not saying it's easy, but I am saying it is money and it's benefits and it's a possibility. I'm just throwing that out there. and if because I have experience in that realm, like sometimes you only have to take a class or two to like get certified, and then I don't know. But anyway, I wanted to also say the as a Former public school teacher, those movies like the Mr. Holland's Opus, the like Dead Poet Society, the what's the one, Stand and Deliver, all those movies that like lionize a teacher as like changing lives. Do you know how many like would-be teachers, would-be teachers come into the school system with those Hollywood ideas in their minds and to just get eaten up within like I remember there was a guy in my first year. like cohort Like I was a teaching fellow, which is like a program in New York City, and he came in super gung-ho and he lasted three days at the beginning of the Timoteo: Ha ha ha. Gina Beavers: like did but he was like quoting those movies and like I want to be a force for change. It's like that's not how it happens. Like you're a force for change because you believe in something bigger than yourself. You can't go in as an ego-driven kind of thing. Like those movies are setting people up for failure. Like that's not how it works. Like you have to have Timoteo: They armed. Gina Beavers: like an extreme amount. Of like grit and like desperation to like hang in there despite everything. You know, it's like not. Timoteo: But they also set you up for failure thinking that if I'm really, really, really good, then the institution Gina Beavers: Yeah. Timoteo: will reward me in some way. And I've gone in with that Gina Beavers: Yeah. Timoteo: attitude. Like I've always I'm inspired by those Hollywood teachers. Like I I'd like to think that Gina Beavers: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Timoteo: when I teach, I'm very inspiring and I listen and I try and I try to change lives. I try to be a force for good. I and I've always believed that like if I'm Gina Beavers: Yeah, yeah, you are though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Right. Timoteo: Great in that way that the institution will be like, wow, we want to retain you or we want to keep you or we wanna promote you. And I feel like Gina Beavers: Yeah. Yeah. Right. Timoteo: that's an that's also an older school mentality. I feel like in maybe Gina Beavers: Mm-hmm. Timoteo: 25, 30, 40 years ago that was maybe more true, but now it's like Gina Beavers: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Well Timoteo: doesn't have it doesn't matter at all. Gina Beavers: Well and again back to like secondary education and you know, like the New York City schools, you're in a union. Like they literally you they cannot fire you. Like they cannot you do have part of the reason the union ex exists is because it's such a hard job that they couldn't attract teachers without the union. Timoteo: Totally. Gina Beavers: You know, without protections, without like people are not going to put that much into something where they don't have any longevity or they don't have like a life plan. know, so it's like but yeah, I mean it it requires a lot from you and in a society that like is anti intellectual and doesn't care about what the you know, it doesn't really ever understand how much teachers put into things, you know, like really never. That's been ongoing, I think, but it's gotten worse, you know. and I I don't know that the art world is so different, you know, like you put a lot into the art world, you make your work for a long period of time and then, you know, or or at a gallery or on the institutional side, or you could work at an institution and then there's a complete, you know, like SF MOMA had a huge like upheaval. They got rid of their last director and everybody went, you know, so it's like I think a lot of worlds you you we sort of grow up on this fantasy that you're gonna be rewarded for I mean that's the ultimate American lie. Like just put the work in and you're gonna be rewarded. Like sacrifice yourself. Timoteo: But I think that I think that it but I think that it in a way though it was true. Like I look at like I mean, at least in my own personal life experience, my father was a professor at New York University Gina Beavers: Yeah. Yeah. Timoteo: in the sort of golden age of academia. You know, he started as an assistant professor, got tenure, taught two Gina Beavers: Yeah, yeah. Timoteo: classes a semester, you know, got big research budgets, taught there for 50 years, like retired with a Gina Beavers: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Timoteo: Great pension, like, you know, my like my dad existed in a time where higher ed actually really delivered the kind of promises that it did. And it's hard for Gina Beavers: Mm. Yeah. Right, right, right. Timoteo: my father to understand all of my issues with higher ed because n he's he's like, What? What it this is it's such a great thing. I'm like, no, it's really changed since you've retired like, you know, fifteen years ago or something. Gina Beavers: Yes, of course. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right, right, right. Yeah, no, for sure. And what what is I mean, that's a funding thing. It's a money thing. It's so many things. Yeah. Timoteo: I mean it's so many. I mean, there's so many, but it's also like the it the the the reality is is that so many professions now are more precarious Gina Beavers: Yeah. Timoteo: than ever. And you just have to be more Gina Beavers: Yeah. Timoteo: what I'm learning is I have to still be scrappy. I have to still be th scanning the horizon. Like, what can I be doing? What are different ways I can be, Gina Beavers: Mm. Yeah. Yeah. Right, right, right. Right. Right. Timoteo: you know, making a living and still being an artist and still having Gina Beavers: Mm. Mhm. Timoteo: the time to make Gina Beavers: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Timoteo: my work and it's an ongoing it's an ongoing I don't want to say battle because that's negative because it's an adventure. It's sort of I want to look at it as an adventure and be thinking expansively and openly and wow, like look at what what are the myriad things I could be doing. How exciting. Gina Beavers: Mm-hmm. Right, right. Right. Right. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. And I I have to say, like I hear I I am in like tech Tech land and they're being just absolutely broiled by layoffs at various companies. I I had dinner with my cousin last night who works at Meta, and she's worked there for like 15 years and is pretty senior. She came in at a senior level, and she's just like every day she thinks could be her last. Like she doesn't know like day to day what's happening with restructuring, and that's absolutely AI, like absolutely finding different ways to get rid of people in favor of you know so I don't know it's in different all different aspects right now too so a contraction too you can feel well the economy there's just a contraction it sucks you know I can switch gears a little bit to questions that we had actually from maybe the previous week from listeners or th or topics to discuss. One Timoteo: Really? cool. Okay. Gina Beavers: was how is perimenopause affecting my work? Timoteo: I cannot speak to that personally, but I can speak to midlife crises. Yeah. Gina Beavers: I know, that's what I was gonna say. It's like it's a little bit difficult to untangle because there are things that just happened in midlife regardless of your gender. That you have more or less control over. And what we've been talking about is one of them. So it's like, you know, am I not sleeping because of perimetopause or am I not sleeping because of life stuff? You know, am I not sleeping because my parents are elderly and I'm worried about that? You know, like there's just a lot of things that happen. But I did go back, part of the question was, have you read the book All Fours? Which I recommended to you, which is the book. By Miranda July, which is at turns like surreal, like laugh out loud, funny, but also like a little too very too close to the bone in terms of like the ways that women in midlife or some, you know, our our brains go off the rails. yeah, I have read that book. what I love about yeah. Timoteo: Well, Gina, I think it's okay, well, I I was just gonna say I think it's an interesting topic because I have many, many gal friends who were my age, like you know, mid to late Gina Beavers: Yeah. Yeah. Timoteo: forties or early fifties, and many of them, if not all of them, have expressed to me how no one had told them about perimenopause Gina Beavers: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Timoteo: and they and they spent years suffering through brain fog or no energy Gina Beavers: Yeah. Yeah. Timoteo: or waking up in the middle of the night or all these crazy Gina Beavers: Mm-hmm. Timoteo: weird symptoms that once they started to learn about them and read about them and get some treatments for have been able Gina Beavers: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Timoteo: they've been able to like change their lives. But so Gina Beavers: Mm-hmm. Timoteo: I do think it's a I mean it from what I've just been hearing it's a real issue and topic that can deeply affect your your day to day. Gina Beavers: Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's not everyone is can have hormone treatments. and I talked to my doctor about it because I'm someone who can't go on hormones and he said the other thing that they found in studies that works just as well are SSRIs. So Timoteo: I don't know what that is. Gina Beavers: Those are just antidepressants and yeah. So yeah, so that's the that's the element of perimenopause that's like, you know, it's hormonal, but it's also psychological and it's you know, it's like hor it's all s can be treated with like antidepressants and other kinds of anti-anxiety drugs and things like that. So but also, yeah, I was gonna say this book, All Fours by Miranda July, if you haven't read it, it's pretty great. because It's it's about this time, but and part of it you're like, am I relating to this because of this life stage I'm in, or am I relating to it because she's an artist? You know, she's a writer and she's also an artist. I mean, she's a multidisciplinary artist. so there are aspects to that story that you relate to as an artist, like she should be working on her work, but she's going down this like rabbit hole of falling in love with this like 20-year-old guy that works at Hertz, like she's like married and has a kid. Timoteo: That's a midlife Gina Beavers: She's Timoteo: thing. That is definitely a midlife thing. Gina Beavers: like a she's like completely off the rails. So anyway, there's also though a genre of book like there's I Love Dick by Chris Krause, which I was thinking about because it's like Related to an artist residency, which is funny. There's this book, Vladimir, which I only watch the Netflix show of, but it's about Rachel Weiss plays the lead character in that, where she's like falling for this much younger professor. She's like a literary she's like a professor, lit professor, and she's falling for this like young professor while her husband is going through like a sexual harassment scandal as a professor. Anyway, Timoteo: Jesus. Gina Beavers: so there is a genre of this kind of like midlife creative unhing woman unhinged. So I can't really I mean a hundred percent and that's the stere the stereotype. I know. And the stereotype Timoteo: Well, men go through it too, I must say. I relate to all of that a little too close to the bone. Yeah. Gina Beavers: has always been sort of like a straight male midlife crisis of like getting the sports car and but I I think part of the question was also like d has it affected my work? I can't really say. I don't know. Behind me are these frilly frilly chairs that look like grandma chairs, but they're actually based on these like Gen Z. So yeah, I think in a way it's like it is affecting my work in this sense of like straddling like Timoteo: Well you're leaning into comfort core, your whole like comfort core thing. Gina Beavers: Yeah, that, but it's also has a foot in Gen Z and being like regressing. So it's like you're a teenager, but you're also like getting old. So it's really fucked up. Like that, so that's definitely what my work is reflecting. It's like one foot in this kind of Gen Z territory where I have no business being, and then one foot in this old lady territory. And I'm just kind of like, What? You know, because there is a kind of Timoteo: That's good you're a time traveller. Gina Beavers: That's how it feels. I think that's that's the core of it. So anyway, yeah. Timoteo: There there's a book though, the speaking of books that are like helpful for this time of life, there was a a book I read when I turned 40 call by a Jungian analyst named James Hollis, and it was called Finding Meaning at Midlife. And it Gina Beavers: Mm. Timoteo: was all about like you know, f be g f becoming like midlife, you know, f anywhere between like 40 and 50, and how Gina Beavers: Mm. Mm. Timoteo: to sort of start digging a deeper well. How to look at things more psychologically. And he looks at everything Gina Beavers: Uh-huh. Timoteo: through a, you know, the Carl Jung sort of depth analysis lens. But, you know, Gina Beavers: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Timoteo: I found it very helpful in terms of really sort of sharpening certain priorities or Gina Beavers: Hm. Timoteo: coming to terms with certain certain Gina Beavers: Mm-hmm. Timoteo: things that you, you know, that when you're younger, you don't you just glaze over or you push through, Gina Beavers: Mm-hmm. Timoteo: but as you Get a little older, you need to start to understand certain limits, but then also s Gina Beavers: Mm-hmm. Timoteo: continue to think expansively and think, how Gina Beavers: Mm. Timoteo: can I step into a larger life? How can I, Gina Beavers: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Timoteo: you know, encompass more of you just don't wanna Gina Beavers: Right. Timoteo: though end up like King Lear. I was I've been reading King Lear recently Gina Beavers: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Timoteo: with my little Shakespeare group, and I hate it. Gina Beavers: Mm. Timoteo: Because he reminds me of Donald Trump. And I'm like, why do I have to read Gina Beavers: God, God, yeah. Right. Timoteo: You know, and it's just not as poetic. I don't know how I just got into King Lear. But anyway, it's Gina Beavers: Yeah. Timoteo: just not as poetic as Hamlet is. Like the language isn't poetic. It's a lot more brutal. And the imagery Gina Beavers: Mm, mm, mm. Timoteo: is not poetic. The imagery is everything about King Lear is quite brutal and and rough. And Gina Beavers: Mm. interesting. Yeah. Timoteo: it's it's hit me a little bit. It's it like the summer, my summer romance with Hamlet. Like I feel like I had a love affair with Hamlet. Like I feel like I fell in love with him and I spent Gina Beavers: Yeah. Aww aww. Timoteo: Weeks, I mean weeks, months reading Hamlet, immersed in it, Gina Beavers: Hmm. Timoteo: like analyzing it, talking about it. And then to switch gears now into King Lear feels like real you know, going from like sixth gear in a beautiful Gina Beavers: Mm. Mm. Timoteo: car to like first gear in a dune buggy. It's like it's yeah, it's not really fun. Gina Beavers: yeah. no. Yeah. Well I I you know, I've been talking on and off and embarrassingly about stoicism and being and that's something that I feel like I found in midlife in terms of okay, Timoteo: Mm. Gina Beavers: everything I'm gonna lose like everything physically, you know, anything, the bloom of youth, etcetera, et cetera. but but I found this path of like trying to be kind, more love, more expansiveness, more acceptance, more peace. Like, wouldn't that be amazing if I could just expand in the second part of my life to to live those things truly? And then Timoteo: Beautiful. Gina Beavers: it would be the you know, yes, I'm losing something, but I'm also gaining something I never had, Timoteo: Yeah. Gina Beavers: you know. But anyway, so these are the sorts of things I've been thinking about. One of the books that I have is the three hundred and sixty five days of stoicism where there's a little thing that you read every day. Timoteo: I know that, yeah. Gina Beavers: Do you know that book? Do you love it? Okay, I'm ready. Timoteo: I love that book, yeah. Do you love it? I do. Gina Beavers: Okay. So my dad, who is very into ancient literature, he's read everything, you know, for the real. he gave me this book, Wine Dark Sea, which is about ancient literature. She's kind of like the sort of person that people turn to. Like I think the the Timoteo: I know that book, yeah. Gina Beavers: Odyssey they read, yeah. So he was like, I didn't know anything about Stoicism, but there's a chapter in there and I've highlighted it for you, and he gave it to me. I wish I had it in front of me. It says, Ryan Holliday is the former marketing director of American Apparel, developed this book, 365 Days of Stoicism. So the book I've been reading every day is put together by the former marketing Timoteo: Yeah. Gina Beavers: director of American Apparel. And so I spell Timoteo: It's Gina, it's what we called broicism. Gina Beavers: I'm just saying, I've spent Timoteo: Mm-hmm. Gina Beavers: my entire, like I've rearranged my whole mental landscape around love and caring. And it was, it was put together by the guy. I mean, loved American Apparel. I have like a ton of Americal apparel closed. Timoteo: Gene, it doesn't matter who the messenger is as long as the message is good. Gina Beavers: It's just like, why can I not get away from my like basic ness and my like consumer? Why? Why am I just cycling around like in this hellscape of like buying thing buying the way that I think buying philosophy I just can't it Timoteo: Because you're a pop cul 'cause you're a pop culture art theorist. That's your whole thing, you know? Gina Beavers: sent me into a spiral I'm not gonna lie like it definitely yeah yes Timoteo: I wanted to say something interesting about the wine dark sea though, because that I remember reading a book about color in the ancient world and how even though they had a lot of color, they actually didn't have a lot of ways to describe color. And Gina Beavers: Mm. Timoteo: so the wine dark sea is often how the the a very dark blue or aqua kind of ocean Gina Beavers: Mm-hmm. Timoteo: was described because they just didn't have the vocabulary to describe it in the way that now Gina Beavers: it's so interesting. Yeah. Timoteo: We in more modern language can. And so when Gina Beavers: Yeah, we can yeah. Timoteo: you read a lot of the ancient texts, like if you read Homer, Gina Beavers: Mm-hmm. Timoteo: or even if you read like Aeschylus and different plays from antiquity, the colors that are described are always based in like earth tones or like wine Gina Beavers: Hm. Timoteo: tones, or not colors that that we're used to today to describe it. Gina Beavers: Mm, that's beautiful. Yeah. Well, speaking of wine, I'm going to Maya Camas tonight. Keith is here and we're going to wine country and I'm spending the night on top of the Maya Camos mountain. So yeah. Timoteo: So are you gonna be doing like wine tastings for the next couple of days? Gina Beavers: He's gonna be doing it. I'm coming back. I rented a car. We have our like two week or our like big open house in a couple weeks. So I'm frantically making and I'm trying to work on this painting. I wish I could show you, but it's like an absolute behemoth and it's like killing me. So I have to like so I'm working during be so fun. be so fun. Timoteo: I wish I could come out for that. I wish I had the kind of lifestyle where I'm like, Gina, I'm coming out for your open house. Like that that's the lifestyle I gotta aim towards. Gina Beavers: Totally, totally. Well, yeah, you can have visitors at Headlands. Like, you know, I mean it would be a little awkward. You probably have to stay on the couch or like Yeah. And still th it's it's Timoteo: fine. That's the Gurjeef work that would allow me to stay on the couch and still feel like I'm vibrant and Gina Beavers: yeah, totally. Yeah, so I'm trying to finish this painting madly. so I'm staying here all week during the day and then we're doing stuff at night. And he's going to wine country during the day and hanging out with friends and stuff, so that's cool. Timoteo: Wrong. Gina Beavers: But what do you have coming up? Timoteo: I don't know. Like I Gina Beavers: Okay. Timoteo: well, just last week I did have the opportunity to see a bunch of shows. Like I went to Petzel and saw Emily Mae Smith's show, which Gina Beavers: yeah. Timoteo: I really quite enjoy because there's a one painting she did of her like sort of classic broomstick with the straw pants, but the broomstick Gina Beavers: Mm. Mm. Timoteo: part was like a clear glass with like a brain and Gina Beavers: yes. Timoteo: a heart and like a stomach in it. Gina Beavers: Yeah. Yeah. I love that. I saw that online. Yeah. Timoteo: And that really captured my imagination. And I really quite enjoy that. So I went to some shows last week. So I don't, you know, this week, I don't know what I have really on my agenda. I have to Gina Beavers: Mm. Timoteo: look up, see what's maybe, maybe things might be starting to open next week, I think. So I'm gonna I do want to actually go Gina Beavers: Mm-hmm. Again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. Timoteo: see maybe this week I'll find the opportunity to go see the Lee Krasner show Gina Beavers: Mm. Timoteo: at moment. Gina Beavers: Yeah. Timoteo: Because that really appeals to me. I feel like a lot of people have been posting pictures of that. I did see the Bryce Martin show at Gagosion, which I really, really, really loved. Like I and I want and I need to go back actually. I'm going Gina Beavers: Mm. Mm. cool. Mm. Timoteo: back to buy the catalog raisin. It's $200, but it is worth every Gina Beavers: Mm-hmm. Timoteo: single penny because it is a tome that is painstakingly Gina Beavers: Mm. Timoteo: put together of every single work. And I flipped through it and I was like, I have to have this book because you can see this just this breadth of painterly concerns, mark making, it just Gina Beavers: Mm-hmm. Timoteo: how he evolved and worked with line and color. It's so the show Gina Beavers: Mm. Timoteo: though was so it is pretty jam-packed. Like like every Gina Beavers: Mm-hmm. Timoteo: wall had like a bunch of things on and it was definitely like a let's get everything in there. But Gina Beavers: Mm. Timoteo: it was for a painter, I really recommend Gina Beavers: Mm. Timoteo: anyone interested in the tactility of painting, the movement of painting, the the picture Gina Beavers: Hmm. Hmm. Timoteo: plane of painting, the image of painting to go check out the Bryce Martin show at Kagoshan before it closes. It is absolutely like a painter's delight. And there's a little area set up in the front with like some memorabilia, little studio Gina Beavers: Mm-hmm. Timoteo: stuff, p palette knives, other things, which is just very kind of evocative and and fun. Gina Beavers: Mm. Timoteo: So that was that really got me inspired to like Gina Beavers: Hmm. Timoteo: Being in the studio, mixing some paints, stretching a canvas. Like I I like I love a show that really makes me gear up into like the the nitty-gritty of painting. Yeah, exactly. Gina Beavers: Yeah. Do some. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Stomp around the studio. Stomp. Yeah. Cool. Well, that sounds great. Well, hopefully I can see it. Yes, relax, get better, heal. Yes, exactly. thank God. Thank God. Yeah. Timoteo: So yes, I just need to take it easy, you know, because I have I just came off of Lyme disease. I my vision now has gotten better. I'm on a course of antibiotics. So I gotta, you know, I'm gonna you know, just take it easy. Gina Beavers: Yeah. Timoteo: Hang out in the country, go I'm going to the city, l s you know, just livin' livin', baby. Gina Beavers: Yeah, good. Good. Rest. Yeah, as much as you can. Totally. And hopefully we can record again in a week. I do yeah, hopefully it'll it'll work out. that we can do this again in a week. So, yeah. Any medical Timoteo: Yeah, well hopefully no one will have any medical emergency knock on what Gina Beavers: issues. I just have family stuff, like I'm back and forth between next week a little bit, but we'll figure it out. But it's so good to see you and Timoteo: Well Gina Beavers: I'm so yeah, I'm so glad you're feeling better. Thanks. Thanks. Yeah. Yeah. I think it'll be cool. yeah. Timoteo: Yeah, have a great time in wine country. That's exciting. Make s take some photos, drink some wine, hang out, eat some good food, say hi to Keith. Gina Beavers: I will say hi to Corey. Timoteo: All right. Gina Beavers: right. I I mean Keith is here. It's special, but Corey's always there, so it's cool. Timoteo: Yeah. Gina Beavers: Yeah. But this is really fun. I'll see you soon. Okay. Timoteo: Bye bye. Gina Beavers: Bye. Bye.