Jason: What's up, dude? Jacob: What up, dude? Jason: I really listen, I really appreciate I really appreciate you putting you putting this little bit of extra effort into your setup. I really do. Yeah, I really Jacob: Thank you. Thank you. Jason: do you like you like how I changed a few things on my side? You never see it. Yeah. So yeah. So anyway. Jacob: Yeah, I see that. I noticed that too. I noticed that too. I mean I'm hoping I'm hoping our sponsor can get me a a new banner. No. He probably has. Jason: Yeah, he probably he well no, he probably has he probably has one for honey, which is you know I mean, I would assume so. Jacob: Ooh. Yeah. Jason: So hey you like the new hats the boys got? Jacob: I do, I do. We are gonna order a couple. Brant wants it Brent wants a couple, so we're gonna order some Jason: So I asked him I asked him, I said, I said, hey, I said, I need a I need a like a friends and family discount code Jacob: Mm-hmm. Jason: so that like when we order stuff, because I don't w they don't need to make profit off of their father. Do you know what I mean? And I was like, so yeah, Jacob: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It made enough profit off of that. Jason: and I was like, and I'm sure there's gonna be people that he wants, you know, to be able to order so that they can wear the stuff and get it out there. And yeah, that's not it you can't do that. Like I can't do that with this company because of the way their store is set up with having two different styles. I don't know. So basically a long story short is is like if I wanna order something from the boys, then they just have to pay me back when they get paid. The difference Jacob: So they can't even go in and order themselves stuff without having to pay for it? Jason: Not for like not for cost. Not for cost. No. So they sent us three. The ones that we we sh they sent us three for them to demo and to and to get over. But no, like, I mean, they're getting their own money back. So it doesn't matter. You know what I mean? Jacob: Yeah. Jason: Like, because when they get paid, they're gonna get their own money back. So no. And we'll see, yeah, we'll see. We'll see how this all works out. But I would think that you should be able to, I would think that you should be able to get. that the discount code thing wouldn't be that big of a deal, but apparently it is. So all right. Jacob: Yeah. Speaking of that, I gotta talk to I gotta talk to Beth. Jason: Yeah, you do. Yeah, you do. And there's somebody else that wanted to talk to him. Also, I don't remember what it is, but yeah, you ready to start this thing? Okay, Jacob: Yeah, I'm ready. Jason: ready? Three dos traits. folks, tonight is a whammy of a night. We have two podcasts we're recording. I actually have a timer going over here to my side so that we don't run over and bleed into the next one because the next one is very time sensitive. Jacob: Mm. Jason: with coach J Mac who is down with the kids at Select Fest and I feel like we just have a very small runway of a window to snag him. Jacob: Yeah, and not a long time either. Jason: with everything that's going on. So, but first tonight we're actually he is in the lobby waiting for us to let him in. author, baseball connoisseur. he's well loved. I think he's well hated. Jacob: Yeah, yeah. Jason: yes, Mr. Joe Clemente. Jacob: Joe Clemente. Jason: Joe Clemente, and he is the author of The Long Ride Home. And I did read it, just so you know. Jacob: Me too. Jason: I I actually it wasn't, it was actually I don't know why I put it off for so long, but it was actually Jacob: Easy read. Jason: it was an easy read. It was just so, and I actually have I actually have little things that I want to bring up. And tonight might be a little bit of story time, but before we let him in, which we have about nine minutes before we have to let him in, I We do want to address something and put it to bed before we go any further. And we don't want to do it on the second podcast that we're doing. Jacob: No. Jason: because I don't want that to taint that one. So Jacob and I both have been flooded with DMs, text messages, and also people sharing a reel that's going around from another guy who I'm just gonna tell you, dude. There's two, there's two podcasts I ever regret doing. One of them I already deleted, and the other one is is the one that we did with this gentleman. I'm just to me, he is a travel ball ambulance chaser and loves to just bring up all of the bad that there possibly could be about the game that our boys absolutely love. And he does this because he doesn't have a stake in the game anymore. His son plays in college, so He can say whatever the hell he wants to say with zero ramifications for his actions. And yes, folks, there are ramifications for for your actions and what you say. Whether we have free speech or not, people can still hold that against you or your son. And now that he doesn't have to worry about that, because his son is no longer in a certain organization, then he just feels like he can just say what I've he's got like a he's got like a literally, I feel like he's got a legal death wish, is what this guy has. Jacob: for sure, man. Jason: He's just begging to get sued. but whatever. There is an incident that took place that we are not not gonna talk about. And the reason we're not gonna talk about it, Jacob, is because at no time are you and I ever going to bring a negative light to a minor. Ever. That not on purpose. Does that make sense? Not for clicks, Jacob: No, not on purpose. Yeah. Jason: not for clicks, not for engagement. Not so that you can show somebody that you had this many views on this reel because it was we're not doing it. We have enough to talk about, right? Jacob: Mm-hmm. We sure do. That's I mean, I even called you today because I was gonna come from a different angle. And you know, you and I talked about it because at the end of the day, even if we talk about on the angle I wanted to, it's still gonna reflect on the minor. Jason: It's still giving it attention. It's still it's still giving it wheels. Jacob: Yeah. And it's still gonna re it's gonna come back to the kid. It's not gonna come back to anybody else. Jason: Yeah, the parents will take the heat, but the kid is the one that has to live with it. You know what I mean? And it's just not something that we're gonna give any traction to whatsoever. I this already pains me that we're talking about it this much. but I told you earlier today, listen, man, I have been I have been judged and convicted. and it is not fun. It is not fun. And it doesn't matter what comes of this. The public perception is already has already tainted it. And you know what I mean? Jacob: yeah. Yeah. Jason: so I don't want to add to that in any way, shape, or form. And also the next thing is is that folks, I'm not into casting stones from a glass house. Okay. So who am I to judge Jacob: Yeah. Jason: any of that shit? Because I have no idea what happened, how it happened, who's at fault, who isn't at fault. And frankly, I don't care. So yeah. So with that, we're gonna put a bow on that and you guys can stop sending it to us. You guys can stop tagging us in it because I'm not even watching it because I don't want to give that guy, the ambulance chaser, I'm not giving him any, I'm not giving him a single click or a single whatever. So, anyways, Jacob: Yeah. Jason: okay, you ready to let Joe in? Okay, let's let Joe in. All right, he's gonna be see, he might not be hopefully he's hopefully he's you think he's Jacob: Hopefully he's sitting in front of his computer. I'm gonna text him. Jason: Yeah, text him and just see if he's ready. So what else? trying to think here. Come on, this microphone is so sensitive. But yeah, yeah, I have the timer going, so hopefully it alerts us if we go. But he's probably ready. I would assume he's ready. Jacob: I text him. I didn't get it. I wonder if he's using his phone. No. I would I don't think he'd be using his phone, so Jason: No, he probably he probably would I'm assuming he Jacob: He's probably at his studio. Jason: Yeah, I would assume he's gonna show up, you know, ready to go for this. So we'll just Jacob: Yeah, guys, this is one that we've we've had to cancel on him like three or four different times. Jason: Yeah, and we almost had to get well, it was it was suggested. Jacob: J Yeah. Jason: Well, it wasn't suggested, it was a nightmare because we really wanted to talk to J Mac tonight. Well, we wanted to talk to him last night, and he had just had way too much going on with getting all the shit ready for the kids at Select Fest. And he's like, I can do it tomorrow, like at this time. I'm like, Who's gonna call Joe and tell him? This Jacob: No, and I was like and I called you right away, like, let's just do two of tomorrow. Jason: dude too, we'll just hammer it out, it would be a long night. Jacob: He said he's ready. Jason: So, all right, let's let him in. Jacob: What up, man? Jason: What's going on? See, we finally got a guest that's got his shit together, Jacob. Look at this. Joe Clemete: Look at this, man. I I can't I can't take all the credit, right? I got my we got our marketing director over here, Miss Kat Murphy. I got my Jason: Mm. Yeah. Joe Clemete: partner in crime over here, our publisher, right, Kevin Jason: Okay. Joe Clemete: Mulhern. So I'm actually at hard knock press. Jason: Okay. All right. Like that's Jacob: nice. Jason: that's an interesting thing too, because when I was looking at it, I was like, hard knock press. Like who are these guys? Like how did you find them? Like do they specialize in, you know, the sports world? I how did how did you guys connect with that? Joe Clemete: So this is pretty cool, Jay. So Kevin so Kevin's son played at Bosco. I've been a coach at Bosco for fifteen years. And Jason: So you know Danny Vasquez. Joe Clemete: yeah, yeah. Jacob: No, no, no, no. do you? Joe Clemete: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You Yeah, Jason: His older boy go plays there right now. Joe Clemete: that's he's there. Jacob: No are you you're the one in where? You're not the one Joe Clemete: I'm in Ramsey. Jacob: Yes. And then you're the I there's another one in California, right? That's John Bosco. Jason: I'm talking about the one Joe Clemete: you're a Jason: Yes, I'm talking about Danny Vasquez who's out in California. Joe Clemete: We have a Vasquez Jacob: Yeah, you Joe Clemete: too. Yeah. Jason: Really? Joe Clemete: How crazy Jacob: So Joe Clemete: is that? Jacob: so Jason, you're talking about you have you're Jason: Danny has got some explaining to do. Jacob: talking about John Bosco out of California. He's Don Bosco. Jason: Okay. Jacob: Because I Joe Clemete: Yes. Jacob: had to mix up too when I Googled. I was like, let me do my Googles. Joe Clemete: How how cra Jason: Okay. Joe Clemete: how crazy is that? Can you guys hear me all right? awesome. So Yeah, yeah, you guys are perfect. I just wanted to make sure. Jason: Yeah, I can hear you fine. Why do you do you can you hear us? Can you see Jacob though? That's Jacob: Yeah, you sound good. Jason: the question. Jacob: Can you see me? Joe Clemete: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jason: No shit. Okay, man. The camera's working, brah. The camera's working. I mean, yeah, Jacob: It is. I'm not using the phone. Joe Clemete: We're good. We're good. Jason: you got listen, bro. Can you please do us a favor? Can you please get the ring light out of the frame? Can you zoom in? Jacob: shit. Jason: Can you zoom in? Zoom in. Joe Clemete: You guys are professionals at this man. Jacob: No, I know I changed the la I changed the layout. Jason: Don't yeah, just zoom her back in, baby. Keep coming. Keep Jacob: Right there. Jason: coming to daddy. No, keep coming. Right there. Right there. There you go. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. we got notes. Joe Clemete: Y you guys are you guys you guys are cool with the book? You guys are cool with the book? Jacob: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why we're on here. Jason: We got notes. You're bringing it up. yeah. Yeah. All right. So finish your story about Yeah. Joe Clemete: it's my guy right there. So go so so, real quick, going back to hard knock press. So Dennis Mohern, Kevin's son, played for me at Bosco in Ramsey. Right, Jacob? Jacob: Mm-hmm. Joe Clemete: and what ended up happening was when when he got done, he he graduated, won a state championship, the whole nine. He's at Union College right now. I ended up taking it, it took me about a year and a half to put all the notes together. Like I would be driving and just started talking into my phone. And I had this idea. And when I when I realized that I had something, I thought I had something going on, you know what I'm saying? pretty much I went I knew that Kevin had written a book. And he wrote a book, right? The Ghosts of October, awesome, awesome book. So I was just going to him and I was like, Kev, I was like, I just needed some guidance, you know. So is there something You know, what do I need to do with this? And he was an attorney for, you know, 30 years. Guy was, you know, he's been phenomenal. He says to me, Well, let me read it and I'll and I'll give you some, you know, I'll give you some feedback. So he ends up reading it and he loves it. And he goes, Listen, I I want to let you know that I'm actually done right now with with being an attorney. And I started I started our my own publishing company. I was like, You're kidding me? So like like the timing was like, Perfect. So he read the book. He loved it. He he helped me with it. I mean, he spent countless hours on it, because as you guys can tell, I'm not an English major. So you know. Jason: Well I w like I was just getting ready to ask you, like how long I can it this gives me anxiety just thinking about how long did it take you to go from notes to paper to then being like shit, I'm gonna let somebody else do Jacob: Pages. Jason: this? Joe Clemete: So, so, all right, and this is all honesty. It, it, I would just drive and I would just start putting notes together. Finally, I started to like figure out how do I make this come right? How do I make this reality? So ChatGPT came out, right? So I ended up taking, what I did was, is I ended up taking all of my notes. I put all my notes on documents, right? Started to rearrange it. And then what I would do is I would put it into chat GPT and I'd be like, hey, check the spelling, make sure it's right. It would yeah, it would, it would give Jason: Make it make sense. Yeah. Joe Clemete: it, it would give it back to me. Now, I thought it was that easy, but it wasn't, right? I would go back in, hey, I would move a document, you know, the paragraph here, I reword this, and then ultimately a year later, right, this pops out. And when I went to Kev, you know, again. I I actually was going there because I figured it I was gonna be like all the rest of the people out there trying to put it on Amazon, trying to figure out if it was even good, you know. And then Jason: Right. Right. Joe Clemete: I mean, you know, ultimately he loved it. The people that we had, you know, we had people read it and they loved it. and then it just kind of came into fruition like that. It was it was really that simple. but I was like listen. Jason: You're like, holy shit, I just became an author. Joe Clemete: Jay, no doubt. Like everybody always says to me, They're like, Yo, you you're an author? you you wrote a book and I always look at I'm like, Yeah, yeah. Jason: Like Bro. It's like Shaq Jacob: Yeah. Jason: it's like Shaq getting an o an honorary PhD. Joe Clemente, author. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Joe Clemete: It was like my God You're like and and then and people say it to me now and they're like Jason: dude, every introduction you go to from now on, author Joe Clemente. As Jacob: Yeah. Joe Clemete: nice to meet you, Coach Joe Clemente, author. Yeah, you know you know it's like you it's like when Jason: the kids say, that's tough. That's tough. Yes. Jacob: Hehehehe. Joe Clemete: people are like they got their doctor, they're like, I'm doctor. You're like, I'm author. Jason: Yes. Did you lay them out on the bed and just big Joe Clemete: Right. Jacob: Yeah. Did you jump on the bed and was like Joe Clemete: When when Kev Kev went and Kev went and picked up all the books, right? So so listen, first off, I know he's sitting on my left over here, and I got Kat over here to my right, but like seriously, he no, they cannot hear you, so they have no clue how awesome this is, right? So they're like, what is going on, right? But but he like Jason: And they can't hear us. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Joe Clemete: they have done everything like like first class. Like it's unbelievable. But So what he did was, I'm gonna make you guys laugh. The first copy of books, right? Were drafts. Were drafts. Jason: Yeah. Joe Clemete: So Kat made Kat made this cover, right? Kev did No, no, no. Kat, they said it was ch it was Chat GBT. I said, no, it's real. She did it. She she's an artist, right? So they said it was a great cover. I I and we tell Jason: Bullshit. That's chat GPT. I'm just joking with you. Yeah. Yeah. Jacob: No Yeah. It's a great cover. Joe Clemete: her all the time, like she does incredible work, but So so what ends up happening, Kev Jason: Mm-hmm. Joe Clemete: is like, hey, listen, this is what we're gonna do. We're gonna go, I'm gonna get X amount of books. And what I and Jason: Mm-hmm. Joe Clemete: and this is how first class he is, right? He goes out, gets the books, right? In a cover. I I wish I had the other one, right? And it was a draft, right? Jason: Yeah. Joe Clemete: So he we're talking about he got him and he's like, Hey, now we gotta go get the blurbs, right? You gotta get blurbs. So I started talking to some key people in my life, right? Coach Polk and those guys. Jason: What the f what the fuck is a blurb? Joe Clemete: Like a bl a blurb. Like they read the book Jacob: It's like Joe Clemete: and they're like, hey, it was good, you know? I would Jason: Like a review? Joe Clemete: yeah, like Jacob: Yeah. Joe Clemete: a small review. It's in excuse me, excuse me. Excuse me. As an as an author, it's called a blurb. Jason: Where where did we where did we go from re the word review to now we're using blurbs? What what's control? Jacob: Well we're we we're going from mid w we're going from midwest to northeast. That's where we went wrong. Jason: Yes, yes, okay, all right, yeah, yeah, okay. Joe Clemete: Right. So so so what ends up happening Jacob: Hm. Joe Clemete: is he brings all these books and he's like, here's what we're gonna do. He goes, We're gonna you whoever you wanna send one to, let them read it because they wanted to he wanted them to feel the hard copy, like this was real. Again, baseball coach, right? He's Jason: Yep. Yeah. Joe Clemete: a this is real. and he wanted them to feel it. And so what we did was we sent it out to to these to the coaches or or to Jason: Okay. Joe Clemete: these people that really you know, that meant something to us or to me that would we knew that would make a difference. Wait, wait, wait, wait. So, so now I'm looking at the book. When I first Jason: That you that you fucking used as a story? Joe Clemete: look at it, I'm like, my God, like this is real. This Jason: Yeah. Joe Clemete: is real. And I'm looking at it now, it doesn't have any blurbs yet, right? Because it's a draft. And I get and I get to the back cover and the back Jason: Yeah. Joe Clemete: cover is written in Latin. And I'm like, Jason: No shit. Joe Clemete: and I'm like, what the What is this? I was like, no one's gonna believe I wrote this. Jason: Yeah, yeah. Right. Yeah. Jacob: Yeah. Joe Clemete: Like, I was like, nobody's gonna believe it, and he was No, no, he's like, Joe, it's just a draft. I was like, thank Jason: Yeah, yeah. Joe Clemete: God. I was like, Thank God. So, Jason: Yeah. Joe Clemete: so what happened was we got all the blurbs done, the blurbs, we got all the reviews, and Jason: Got okay. Joe Clemete: we ended up he ended up putting it together. Kev put it together, added it to the book. and then when we went and got it, the the like the the real one, like the the final copy printed all the blurbs were in it and what you have in your hand is the is the is the finished copy on the back it's not in Latin, right? So we're good. By the way, that's Jason: No, it's not in Latin. No. No. Jacob: No. Joe Clemete: a blurb on the back. Jason: Okay. Okay. No shit. Well, yeah, I mean listen. I just Jacob: Yeah. Jason: try to be I listen, coach, I just try to be one percent better every day and you just made me one percent better. So shit. So all right. Joe Clemete: I love it. I love it. You made my day, man. You made my day. So Jacob: Yeah. Man. Jason: Yeah, so go ahead. Go ahead. Joe Clemete: No, so that's how it happened. So that's that's Jason: Okay. Joe Clemete: everything. That's and then and then from there, you know, we ended up you and you know, guys like us started linking up. I got I had some other people that reached out, they they they wanted to read the book. Jason: Yeah. Joe Clemete: When we did the release, again, we were very fortunate. A lot of people came in, they love it. It's it's starting to get out there. now with this, I was telling you guys we started this podcast called Forward. bet you know better better athletes better people I would we want you guys on it for sure. You would you know just being able to talk about all your experiences and stuff. But but again, it's really simple. We we started from this and now we're here and we're just gonna continue to grow and grind and hopefully follow guys like you and you you know in your footsteps and and and do this. Ha ha gotta love it. Gotta love it. Jason: Shut the shut shut the door. Shut up. That is makes me so uncomfortable. Go ahead, Jacob: Yeah. So Jason: Jacob. Say something. Jacob: So what was so what was the you know, w where did the inspiration or what to write this book come from? Jason: Yeah, where was the first cluster fuck that happened that caused all this? Jacob: Yeah. Joe Clemete: All right, so so here here's exactly what happened. So I I when my son was younger, okay, I know you probably read the book. I'm Jason: Okay. Yep. Joe Clemete: gonna keep it brief, but when my son was younger, just like all eight, nine year old, you know, nine-year-olds that are that are into it, they love it. We own a facility. He I mean, he was good. Okay. The incident happens that he gets drilled in the face, okay, Jason: Mm-hmm. Joe Clemete: and I become a total schmuck, right? Because that's exactly what happened. So I couldn't, I couldn't handle it. That after he got hit in the face, like it was taking time. Like it was gonna take time for him to get back. And it was bad. Right. But me, I I I was thinking more of like, you know, I I played college ball, I played professional baseball the whole nine yards. Like it was like, wait, what are you talking about, man? You get hit in the face, get up, man. Let's go. Get in the box. You gotta hit. It it took it Jason: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Get off as they say, get all get back on the horse. Joe Clemete: Let's go, man. Like, you know, head-on collision, Jacob: Rub some dirt on it. Let's go. Joe Clemete: get back in the car. You gotta drive. So so what happened was he, you know what I'm saying? So small, small. That wasn't so good, right? I should have said that, but Jason: Yeah. Little different, little different, but I get you point. Stick with the horse. Joe Clemete: so so we're we're coming. He finally, it's like it's like a year later, and we're playing we're playing another game. You know, Jason: Yeah. Joe Clemete: it was a championship the whole nine. He same thing happens. Like he was at the point where he he couldn't get in the box. Like he would he was like a foot and a half. Like, you know, when they say put your feet on the line, like not in the back of the box, it was all the way on this side, you know? Yeah, forget he his heels were like if he Jason: Yeah. Joe Clemete: could have ran out of the box, he was out. So he he either struck out, he walked. So we were on a ride home and you know, I I I just I just leveled him. You know, I was like, This is not for you. I literally was trying to make my kid I was trying to make my kid quit. Jason: I've had it. Joe, I've had it. I've said that. I've said it. I've said it. Jacob: Me too. Joe Clemete: We've we've all done it, right? So I I was literally like I was in my head, I'm gonna make this kid quit because he's not the kid he was. Now yeah, remember, he's ten years old. And Jason: Yeah. Right. Joe Clemete: I'm like So finally I get to the co I get to the house, Mo my wife looks at me and you know, he's he finally because he kept telling me, he's like, Dad, I'm not gonna quit. I'm not gonna quit. I'm I'm gonna play I w I love this. I wanna play. And I'm like, No, you're you're no good, dude. Like you you you gotta think about something else. Jason: Yeah. Yeah. Joe Clemete: So finally he gets out of the car, right? Goes in the house. My wife looked at me like dead in the face and she's like, What the like, what did you just do? Like what like you just like are you crazy? He's a 10-year-old kid. So Jason: Yeah. Yeah. Joe Clemete: ultimately that demon, I I mean, I apologize, did all the right, but that demon, Jason: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Joe Clemete: that demon lasted with me for a long time, man. Like I just couldn't get rid of it. And I watched him struggle and struggle and struggle. And Finally get to a point where, you know, he started to turn the corner, he got bigger, stronger, faster. And, you know, now if I if I showed you pictures of him then, you know what I'm saying? Like like I watch HUD, like that, you know, and and and and your son, and I'm like, like you you two are, you know, those you two were blessed, right? My kid was never like that at that age because he was still coming off of what happened to him, the trauma. Jason: I got you. Joe Clemete: Like he had like PT he had like PTSD. I'm not kidding you. And then all of a sudden he got to the Jason: Listen, hey, listen, Hud had it in the game against Wildcatters after getting hit three times in a row too. No. So I mean, I get it. I get it. He's like, Dad, I was scared shitless. And then you know what mean? But then it's just but I get what you're saying. Not to interrupt you, but I get what you're saying. Joe Clemete: No, no, no. Again, but that's perfect. Like that's what this is about. That's that's exactly why this book is here, right? So again, finally he gets to the big field. And I think what happened was the distance change, right? Like w you know at at 50, 70, Jason: Every yes. Everything bec yes. Yes. Yes. More space. Joe Clemete: guy throwing 75 is like 108. You know what I'm saying? Now all of a sudden Jacob: Yeah. Jason: Yes. Yes. Joe Clemete: he gets to the the big field. Somebody throwing 70 is is throwing 70, you know, throwing 60, you know, by the time he gets to you. So Jason: Right, right, right. Yep. Joe Clemete: now he kind of hit a growth spurt. And I I saw the turn, right? And and and this was really, really hard for me. I I had to keep my mouth shut. Right. I just had Jason: Mm-hmm. Joe Clemete: to let him go do his thing, whether he was successful, if he failed, what whatever it might be. Okay. And then as God would have it, he he again, he started to grow, he got stronger, he started playing football. And and now all of a sudden you turn around, like after his freshman year in high school. And now he's you know, now he's a pros now he's a college prospect. These guys love him. He's he's six one, two thirty five, he's playing football, baseball, he hits the ball four hundred and twenty feet. Like, but let let's be honest, you know, this guy wanted him to quit that day in the car. So, so I lived with Jason: Yeah. What do let me let me stop you for a minute. Did you want him to quit because you were embarrassed? Or did you want him to quit because you're like, pick something else? Cause this is gonna I I already know how this goes. And it's just gonna be it's gonna be devastating to you when it doesn't work out for you. So did you want him to quit because you he wasn't what you wanted him to be, or what? Jacob: Mm. Joe Clemete: Yeah, I I didn't want to go ahead, Jacob, I apologise, go ahead. Jacob: Or is it because you played at a high level and you wanted him to follow in your footsteps? Joe Clemete: I was honestly there I think it Jay to answer your question to be fair, it was a mixture of both. Okay. I I it you know what I'm saying? Like to be honest Jason: Sure, sure. It can be it can be all the above. Yeah. Joe Clemete: with you, like, yes, I was embarrassed, right? Because I I owned a facility and I'm being honest with you, I owned a facility. I trained Jason: I I get it, man. Joe Clemete: thousands of kids that, you know, from from little guys to first round draft picks, okay? Exactly. And then Jason: Yours is supposed to be a benchmark for them to follow. Yep. Joe Clemete: And then the second piece that came in, right, Jacob, to your to your point, is, you know, I I just I didn't want to see him fail. I was having a really hard time seeing him fail because of, you know, of I guess maybe where I've played and where I was at. But but ultimately that was really selfish. I know that was selfish. Like I'm I'm I admit it to all of our followers and like but again, that's when it started to it's just started to eat at me. And that's how the book that's when I I was literally, you know, it's funny. I I I watch a lot of your guys' podcasts and I love it. Okay. And when you guys are up in the morning and and you're and you're walking and it's just you and and you're talking to us. You're the guy. I was like, well, all right, he's driving. I was being polite. I was being polite, okay? Jason: no whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa. I am walking. This fat ass is in a truck, okay? I know, I know. Yeah. Let's yeah, we're Jacob: No, it's Jason, not me. I'm working. I'm working. Jason: all up we're all about exacs here, okay? So no Yeah, okay. Joe Clemete: All right, we're gonna so so Jay so Jay Jacob: Yeah. Blurps. Blurps. That's why he said blurps. Joe Clemete: Reviews, all kinds of reviews, but so so so you Jacob: Mm mm mm. Joe Clemete: know like when you like when you start talking about that, right? Like you're at peace. That was like my piece. I'm in the car, I had to say something. I had to talk about it, I had to let it out. I just I had to find a way to release the demons. I'm not like Jason: For us it was the podcast. Joe Clemete: That's awesome. I was gonna ask you guys, how did that start? Jason: I mean, that's that's that that's honestly like I could I have got from from some from some things that I have went through personally in my past, some very, very, very dark moments. I've had this book in my head for years. Black Sheep, White Lamb is was gonna always be the name of it in the cover of the book. From being raised on the stage of a church to falling as far and hard as as fast away from God as you possibly could. And then I discovered the microphone. And I discovered the power of being able to just in real time just walk through it with one of my with one of my dear friends. And knowing it it it I didn't have to write a book anymore because I had the podcast. So everything that I was battling Jacob: Yeah. This is your book. Jason: up here, we were able to just work out in real time together using a microphone. So that's so your Your voice notes, that's what this is for us. We just happen to do it knowing that there's other people that are going through the same shit. Joe Clemete: Yeah, and and and again, I believe that. Right. I truly believe that. And you're helping people. And that's what I wanted to do. But the only way I could the only way I could help other people is I had to help myself first. I know that sounds crazy, and that's why Jason: No. Joe Clemete: I wrote and that's Jacob: No. Joe Clemete: what and that's why I wrote it. And then and then from there, I was like, Hey, you know, this again, I I'm being honest. Kev Kev's sitting right next to me. Like when Jason: You're good. Joe Clemete: I show when I showed this to him, I was like, he's gonna look at me and be like, yo. That's great. But and then all of a sudden he read it and was like, man, I wish I had this thing 10 years ago. I wish I had it when yes. And then I Jason: It was validation. Yeah. Joe Clemete: that's how we knew. And look, I'm I'm very thankful, right, for for the way that this is this is turning out. I'm very thankful that my son didn't listen to me that day in the car, Jason: Right, right. Joe Clemete: right? And all the good stuff. I I'm very thankful that my wife called me s a ton of names. that I'm not gonna say out here because we're you know we're helping people, but it it it Jason: Yeah. Joe Clemete: it it was very clear, right? And it got through to me and and again, and now I'm here hanging with you guys. This is this is awesome. Jason: Yeah. Yeah. I just yeah, it was do you think that it would have do you think that it would have mattered? Do you think that it would have mattered if it ever got published? Or was it just a sense of accomplishment that you got it on paper and even if it was just for you? So was was was the goal achieved the second that you handed something off and said, Here's what I've been battling for this long. I if you love it, great, but if you don't You still were done? Like you had so and did you seek any help in this process or did you Jacob: I was just gonna ask the same. Jason: did you did is this all self is this all self help? Joe Clemete: Th first of all, what you said, I didn't care. I one hundred Jason: Yeah. Joe Clemete: percent didn't care. Jason: I didn't care if anybody watched me and Jacob. Jacob: Yeah. Joe Clemete: I I didn't care if if k and and if Kevin would have said to me, This is crap, but I would have been okay with it. I would have been like, you know what, that's my crap. You know what I'm saying? And I and I Jason: Sure, sure. Yeah. Jacob: Yeah. Joe Clemete: and I got it taken care of. I I this was all self help because I I was you know, again, it wasn't at the point where I thought that I needed to go see somebody, but that was my that was my saving grace to be able to put it on paper and then Just for and and honestly guys, just the one person reading it, I was good with. You know, like him him that was you said validation, right? That Jason: Yeah. Yeah. Joe Clemete: that for me is is all I I just nobody had ever known that, right? The story that I wrote. And and not even my my wife at the time, like when I told her I wrote it, she was like, I'm so proud of you, you know. but but again, she was she was a part of it, like she saw it happen. So now all of a sudden I gave it to somebody else and and it it almost like it mattered, right? But it Jacob: Yeah. Joe Clemete: whether it did or it didn't, I I was okay with. Jason: Yeah. Yeah. has has your son read it? Jacob: I was Joe Clemete: Yes. Yep. Jason: And what's the feedback? Like does he does he does it Jacob: He remember everything. Jason: yeah, does it does it drum up like Joe Clemete: He remembers he remembers everything. Jason: Okay, okay. Yeah. No. No, because I don't I Joe Clemete: Dude let me ask you guys a question. Do they ever forget? Do they ever forget? Jacob: No no. Jason: I'm fifty and I haven't forgotten the shit. So yeah, I just I I'm just I was just curious as to like, is he I mean, it's gotta be an incredible opportunity for you guys to continue to have conversations because you know, you can literally be like, Okay, man, we've been down this road before and I'm not gonna I'm not gonna fuck this up again. I'm sorry. You know what I mean? Like Jacob: Yeah. Joe Clemete: yeah. He he he was so when he read it, he didn't know he didn't I gotta be honest with you, when I told him I wrote a book, he was like, you guys will laugh again, like, he wrote a book? Like you're a Jacob: Yeah. Joe Clemete: co you're a coach. What are you talking about? You're my dad, you wrote a book, right? Jason: Right. Right. Joe Clemete: So when he f when he first read it, like he was taken back a little bit. He was like, Dad, this is this is why you wrote it. And and I gotta tell you something, it was emotional, like for me especially. Like it it was tough. I'm I'm you know, being able to look at him and and and say, Hey, yeah, that was and and then the the coolest thing is he said to me, goes, Have you been carrying that with you for for that long? I said, Yeah. I said, Yeah, Jason: Oof. Joe Clemete: man. I was I was like tearing up. I was like, yeah. I was like, that's I said it cut me deep. And I just want you to know that that it cut me deep and it had nothing to do with you, had nothing to do with anybody else. That was That was because of me. But you know, Jason: Man, that had to be that had to be some serious peace. Jacob: Or Joe Clemete: It was it was it was Jason: I'm just saying, like dad to dad, screw the coach stuff, screw Jacob: Yeah. Jason: the author stuff. Like dad to dad, that's gotta be some peaceful shit there when you know that okay, God forbid something happened. He knows beyond a shadow of a doubt. Like he has it, he he can be reminded anytime he wants of how much I love him. Jacob: Yeah, he can pick it up and read it. Jason: It ain't just words, it ain't just some necklace that's gonna tarnish. Like Joe Clemete: That's it's always gonna be there, man. It's always gonna be there. Jason: It's always gonna be there. It's always the question is is it always gonna be on paper or are you gonna give are you gonna give the illiterate sons of bitches out there an audio version that takes like what I didn't know I didn't know. What the f what are you this whole time, this whole time it's been Joe Clemete: I did. We got a we got an audio version coming. Do you want it? You w we got an audio version. No, Jacob: Yeah. Joe Clemete: no, no. We just did it. We just did it. Jacob: He told us when it he told us when he was almost done with it. Remember? You Jason: Missed it. Missed that. Jacob: better you better read it because Jacobs Joe Clemete: You said it. Jacob: Jacobs a literate ass ain't gonna be able to read this book. Joe Clemete: And I said, We got Jason: Who Joe Clemete: an audio book coming. Jason: Who read it? Who who who did the audio? You? Okay, Joe Clemete: I did it. Jason: I didn't know if you were gonna go like the Jack Carr style, like with the the British you know what I mean? Because Jacob: Yeah. Jason: the ladies the ladies are into that British shit now. Like the audio stuff that they listen to Joe Clemete: Dude, Jacob: Mm. Joe Clemete: it's I was talking to Kat earlier and Kat's like, you know, my my my my AI talks in British. And I'm like, that's awesome. I was like, that's great. That's the first time I was like, my God, the Jason: Yeah. yeah. yeah. yeah. Yeah. Jacob: What? Joe Clemete: AI actually talks in British now. Yeah, you Jacob: Yeah. Jason: Yeah. Yeah. Joe Clemete: know what, Kev Kev did it with me. he helped me out and again, you know, I I I started to I started to think I could ask I could throw some accent in there, you know, like be a tough guy, like, Jason: Yeah. Joe Clemete: forget about it. It's beautiful. Jason: Yeah. Joe Clemete: I didn't think it was gonna go Jacob: Yeah. Joe Clemete: over so well, you know, being from the East Coast in Italian, but Jacob: man, I'd have been laughing through hearing that shit. Jason: Right. That would have been the reaction if I would have heard that on on on audio. Yeah. Forget about it. I sound like Jacob: Yeah. Hey, if it would have been on audio Joe Clemete: Mm. Jason: Vinny. I sound like Vinny. Forget about it. Jacob: If I would have me Joe Clemete: I g Jacob: listening to that in audio, I'd have thought of the Bronx tail would've popped in my head right away. Jason: Yeah. Joe Clemete: 100% right. I when I first Jacob: We Joe Clemete: started doing it, I was like, I got so nervous because you Jason: Yeah. Yeah. Joe Clemete: know, like again, first of all, I wrote a book. Now I gotta do the audio version. Yeah, and I'm like, I I like I Jason: Yeah. Now you gotta read it. Yeah. Joe Clemete: first sat down and Kev's like, hey, take a deep breath. You got this. And I'm like, Jason: Mm-hmm. Joe Clemete: once there was right. Jacob: Ha ha ha. Joe Clemete: And they're like, no, no, no, no. You you could be yourself. I was like, all right, cool. I was. Jason: Yeah. Yeah. Right, right. shit. Jacob: man. I Joe Clemete: So I'm gonna get you a copy of that. I'm gonna get you a copy of the audiobook if you guys want it. Jason: Do you so just before I get into some of things some some key things that I literally have highlighted in your book because I don't I already know them, but putting them into practice is a lot a lot harder than that it sounds. It's a lot easier to read this and agree with it because everything in this book I agree with. Like it I get it, like I've had it. The problem is is catching yourself before you go too far. And ended up back in chapter ten. You know what I mean? Like that's Joe Clemete: Exactly. Yep. Jason: so that's that's every dad's I would assume it's every it's every mom and dad struggle that's listening to this and that goes through this crazy life that we live. What the where was I gonna go with that? I was I don't remember what I was gonna say. my question to you is I don't remember what the f could the question was. So I Joe Clemete: What I could say to you is to the re to just to talk about what you were saying, because you're Jason: Yeah. Joe Clemete: gonna and I'll give you time to to think about it, right? But but that's awesome. That's so awesome. But but I but Jason: it's gone. It's gone. I'm just being she's gone. So gone. Yeah. Jacob: Ha ha ha. Joe Clemete: I was gonna say, like, when you talk about the book, right? And the and catching yourself ahead of time. So Jason: Yeah. Yeah. Joe Clemete: one of the things that a lot of people are coming back to us and saying is they're like, they're like, dude, this is awesome because it's like a parent playbook. So everywhere I go, people are like, hey, it's a parent playbook, it's a parent playbook. And like we started talking about it, like Kevin and I and Kat and it was Jason: Mm-hmm. Joe Clemete: just like, hey, that's really cool. Like if people start looking at it like that, now I know that we're helping people. And that's I think what you were getting to, Jay, is that, you know, it's not like, hey, everybody just sits around and singing kumbaya, right? It it talks about all different sections. And then like you said, you get to the last four or five, you know, chapters and it's about the tough guys, right? The way the the old school teaching Yeah. Jason: That's that's the part that hit me. That's all my notes are from the back. You know what I mean? But I was I what I was gonna say, and I do Joe Clemete: Yep. So that's why we wanted to make sure that everybody everybody, you know, had a piece. Jason: remember it now, and that was was that you're not claiming to be clinically licensed as a therapist in this. This is not a therapy book. This is Jacob: No. Jason: call your shit out as a dad book for let's let's catch it before it's too late. That's that's how I Jacob: Or before it goes too far. Jason: Yes, that's how I like don't let this beautiful game ruin an amazing relationship that you have with your son. That like that's what this book is. This is not clinical recipes in order to to cure. like it's not what Morgan and Daniel Maths are doing with their I mean, she's a clinical therapist. So this Jacob: Yeah. Jason: this is this is what you just said. This is a playbook for parents of this is How to not fuck it up for dummies one one. I honest. Jacob: And it's coming from the pointy Joe Clemete: That's exact. Jacob: point of view of a parent that was went through it. Jason: Yes. Yes. And it makes sense why you have a podcast 'cause you could really you could literally read a chapter like make a podcast and do an episode of a chapter, t podcast Jacob: Podcast. Yeah. Jason: episode of a chapter. You could read the book and have your first fifteen podcasts of just reading a chapter per episode. But anyways, I don't wanna I don't wanna tell you how to run your podcast, but you could literally do that. And then Joe Clemete: No, no. Honestly, guys, the reason why we started the podcast, I'm gonna be honest with you, is because myself, Kevin, and Kat sat around, we watched yours and we're like, hey man, this is awesome. Like we could do that. And and it wasn't about like doing it like you, but it was about being able to give information and be able to get it out there. Like you said, hey, your podcast is your podcast is your book, right? We just wanted to be able to help get it out there and and help people. That was that was it. But thanks to Jason: There's Joe Clemete: you guys, is that's how we started this. Jason: There's people, people ask me randomly every now and then, like, hey, did you hear so-and-so started a podcast? Or did you hear yeah, like I hope everybody has one. Like there's Jacob: Yeah. Jason: enough room for everybody. Like this is just our this is just our take on this life. Like, Jacob: Yeah. Jason: and it's just our perspective. I I trust me when I tell you that half of the people listening don't agree with it. And half of them do. So for the other half that don't. They're gonna need to find somebody that they do agree with. Jacob: Yeah. Jason: It's not all if if if everybody loves what I'm doing, I'm not doing it right. Because that means I'm fake as shit. So I mean, I've always heard that. I remember hearing that man way, way, way back. Like, I don't know if it was in I don't know if I don't remember what I was doing, but I was doing something and somebody said, If fifty percent of people love you and fifty percent of the people hate you, you're doing it right. But if everybody loves you, you're not doing it. You're doing something wrong. Yeah, you're full of shit. So Jacob: You're doing something wrong. Yep. Joe Clemete: You're full of crap. You're full of crap. honestly. Jason: so there's a couple things that I really want to talk about while we have you. And one of them is is I know that I don't want to give I'm not trying to give the book away. The point is is that people that what does what for no, what does it cost? 1499. Okay. Four Joe Clemete: Fifteen bucks. Jason: fifteen bucks for this. And literally you can throw it in your glove box Jacob: Get on Amazon and buy it. Jason: and keep reading it during practice while your kids inside. I so I don't want to give the book away and I Just corrected myself. Don't do a podcast because then people won't download the audio book. So don't do that. anyways, I wanna read something to you. It I you know what I mean? Like I just was I just trying to give your book away for free and I didn't mean to do that. Joe Clemete: No, you're good with that, Jay, 'cause with the audio book, right, that that's gonna be we we built that so that when just like you said, like when you're on your ride, like if we're going to Diamond Nation from here, it's an hour and Jason: Yeah. Yeah. Joe Clemete: a half. You can listen to the book in an hour and a half. You're gonna hear Joe Clemente talk for an hour and a half, but ultimately like it's it's there. Jason: Are you are you gonna do it in other languages? You can do it in other languages? Jake you could do it in Spanish. Joe Clemete: So so Kevin talked about other languages. Yeah, he we did talk about that, but we just started with one right now. You know what I'm saying? Jason: He's super cheap. He's super cheap too. He doesn't cost very much. Yeah, you. Yeah, you. Jacob: Who me? man, just get me what so you're in Jersey. Just get me Joe Clemete: I'm gonna get Moreno to do it. Jacob: a New York style pizza and we're good. We'll call it a deal. Joe Clemete: I could do that. I can do that. Trust me. Jason: Yes. Okay. I want to read a segment from your book and then I want you to elaborate on what I'm talking about or what I'm reading right here. so the dad who meant well but missed the mark. Mason Clark's father was his biggest fan. He never missed a game, shot an encouragement from the bleachers, and paid for extra hitting lessons on a weekly basis. But Mason, 13, my wheelhouse. Joe Clemete: Yep. Jason: Began to dread seeing his dad after games. His father would walk over and start rattling off stats, pitch counts, batting averages right off of memory. He'd compare Mason to other players on the team, pointing out who was pulling their weight and who wasn't. To his dad, this was commitment. To Mason, it felt like the worth was consistently being measured and rarely meeting expectation. Another example. In her daughter Olivia's gymnastic season, Karen, you picked a perfect name too, Karen. Jacob: Mm mm. Joe Clemete: You got that one, huh? Jason: Karen Joe Clemete: You figured out what Karen was from? Jason: posted Karen posted Jacob: Yep. Jason: every score on face. This Jacob, this one hits. This one hits right here. Karen posted every score on Facebook, tagging family members and praising her routines. At first Olivia liked the attention, but when she started having a bad meet, Karen still posted them. Only this time she added, Not our best day. We'll get back to winning Jacob: no. Jason: forms soon. Olivia started thinking about how her performance Looked online more than how it felt in the moment. The sport that once brought her joy became a stage on which she was stuck. When kids feel constantly evaluated, they stop playing for the game and start playing to avoid criticism. The fear of mistakes, players stop taking risks that could help them grow. Elaborate on this, Joe. Elaborate on that. Because I'm going to tell you right now, the Mason Clark example. That you have in here, I have seen a thousand times. Joe Clemete: Maybe more, right? Maybe more. Maybe more. And that's why I put Jason: Maybe more. Maybe more. Maybe more. Joe Clemete: it in there. Jason: yeah, it's just and and how do you do you the the reason why I'm bringing this up is is what do you have as personal guardrails to catch you before it happens? Joe Clemete: Yeah. So again, when you're talking about that particular story, we we've all been through it, right? Everybody understands that there's pressure, right? And I think with parents, especially, right, that are invested or in their child so much, right? There's a there's a few things that go on. Right. There, there's of course the money piece, right? Because I'm getting you lessons and there's cage time and there's teams and all the above, right? And then there's let let's talk about the ego. Right. The ego that the parents have to deal with, with like, well, wait a minute. I I you know, you work so hard and you know, w we're a team and and we've done this together, but ultimately it's it's the it's the kid, right? It's the athlete. So the guardrails that I have are are pretty simple. Right. When when when I show up at a game, right, and I see parents like that, okay, like you have to know right away, like you you have to be able to figure out how you're gonna handle that. And I'm talking about as a coach, right? How I'm gonna Jason: Yeah. Okay. Joe Clemete: be able to handle that kid. Right. How I'm gonna be able to because that kid right now, you know, every time that they're looking over that their their dad or their mom, right? Whatever sport it might be, but I know we're we're entrenched in baseball. Okay. Every time that they they look over there, like now all of a sudden it's like, holy cow, like I like I I don't want to I don't want to look at them because I just let them down because I didn't get a hit or I struck out or the game no longer becomes any fun. Right. And that's exactly what that second story ends up talking about. Right. Is like, I'm I'm only proud of you, right? I'm only proud of you when you do well. But I'm not proud of you. Or I'm gonna I'm gonna apologize when you don't do well. Like, what are you what are you talking about? Like this is your son or daughter. Like, listen. You know when you get involved in helping your kids be the best that they can be, right? Like our like our book says, to help them shine in youth sports. Like that's what it's about. Like we're there to support as a coach. again, you have to be able to to to see that immediately and you know help those kids. And I'm not trying to be biased. I'm not trying to be biased, but Jason: Yeah. Yeah. Joe Clemete: there's just a different way to be able to approach that because you know that emotionally. Especially at a 13U, right? Like all the hormones, everybody's going crazy. You you need to be able to to kind of be the the the the glue that kind of helps them realize, hey, this is what you need to do out here when you're playing for me. And I'm gonna I'm gonna be there and help with that situation on the sideline with your parents. Like they're not gonna be allowed here. I don't have them come too close. Just there's one voice when you come out to the field. Does that make sense to you guys? Jacob: Yeah. Yeah. Jason: a thousand percent. And I would say too, Jacob, that it almost seems like so when I see when I see this in real time, when I see this in real life on the sideline as a dad, and not as a coach, but as a dad, it my fear is the they don't even know they're doing it. Like it's become such routine, it's become such a part of the expectation. They have no idea how stupid they sound as parents. I I'm I'm Jacob: Yeah. Jason: not like I I'm I'll be honest like I Jacob: Yeah. Jason: we've we've just went through this and I to their credit I believe I believe that they're self-fixing it and they've been they've they've helped themselves or whatever they've figured it out maybe maybe they heard a crazy situation they're like holy shit I hope that's not how I sound because that's exactly what it took for me. I had to see somebody else Jacob: I was just gonna say that. Jason: acting like a jackass and talking to their kid to for me to be like, whoa. Is that what I sound like? Yeah, nope, we're done with that. We're done with that. because of expectations. Because and who am I to be the talent evaluat evaluator? I'm a fucking dad. Like, who am I to be the one to say that you're good or you're not good? How I'm I didn't play bro ball. Like I don't have a resume in this. So like who am I to be, you know what I mean? So I feel like sometimes yeah, I feel like Joe sometimes you just Jacob: To judge them. Jason: don't even know they're doing it. So what role what role is coach? If there's a coach listening, how did they acco how did they how did they battle that? Joe Clemete: They have to be able like for me, you have to be able to talk to them, right? You have to be able to figure out a way how to get or communicate with the parent, right? Because again, it's it's always for the well being of the athlete, right? And the player. He's it's a kid, right? They're they're they're they're they're kids. You know, and it's and it's yeah, this is supposed to be fun. When Jason: Right. God dude, I've said that so many times over the last three months, reminding they're just kids. Yeah. Jacob: Yeah. Joe Clemete: when the parents are no longer making it fun, they they are walking away. In one of the you'll like this, Jay, in one of the blurbs that are in the book, okay, Jason: Yeah. Joe Clemete: Dr. Adam Wright, right, who is who is a medical right professional, they he he states that at thirteen, that's when kids start to vominose, right? They're they're they they don't want to play anymore because at that point they're getting mature enough to understand what's actually going on. When they're seven, eight, nine, and the parents are over there. They're like kind of in la la land a little bit. They're with their friends. Jason: You want this? Joe Clemete: They're having fun. And now all of a sudden, hey, they get to 50-70. You guys know what happens. 11U is fun. 12U, you're gods, right? You're an absolute god, right? You're hitting Jason: Right. Yep. Jacob: Yeah. Joe Clemete: balls 250, jogging around the bases, having the time of your life. You're a big leaguer. Now all of a sudden you get to the big field. And guess what? That's the great equalizer. And now there's gonna be struggles, right? And Jason: Right. Yeah. Joe Clemete: and there are more, more parents than not. That can't handle that. They can't, they they don't understand that there's a process. If you don't understand that there's a process, you're only gonna live on that high. And once you live on that high and you can't get and you don't have be able to come down and help your your kid or the athlete understand that there's going to be failure, no matter whether it's in sports or in life, right? But but think about that. Think about what you just said. It took you to see somebody else, and it took all of us. Jason: it was so sad too. I it ju I was I was so embarrassed. Joe Clemete: It took all of us. We're like, whoa, I'm not gonna do that. Jason: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. it's man, it's so it's so hard to ad how mu Okay, let me let me go here for a second. When you're in the vehicle with your son and you're you're you're going through this stuff, how How important do you think it is? Where do you draw the line between being buddy to help them get through this and being dad? Does that make sense? Like, where do you draw the line of like I feel like I feel like my generation, we are closer with our children than we ever were with our dads. Okay. And we're so scared to lose that relationship that. Sometimes we're either over the top because we we we want the most for them, to then we just want to be their friends and we don't want them mad at us. Joe Clemete: So let me ask you a question. Do do you agree that Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I I know that, but you'll you'll you you're so good at this, I wanna I wanna be it's a blurb. It's it's a review. It's a review, okay? So let me let me ask you this question. Do Jason: This is my interview with you. Did you not even with you Yeah. Jacob: It's a blurp. It's a blurp. He's gonna read he's gonna ask you a blurp. Joe Clemete: do you agree, right? Is this a fair statement that when our you know, when we grew up, our parents, right, our dads, let's just go on dads, okay? They Jason: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. She's going dead. Joe Clemete: were they were much tougher on us. because of how they were brought up. Is that fair to say? Jason: I would say that the Great Depression of their fathers we're still living with those demons. Joe Clemete: That that's exactly what it is. So we have evolved as parents and and we've actually seen things that you know our parents, our our parents, our grandparents didn't see, right? They didn't have to go through. So we've taught we've come to figure out, hey, there are different ways to do that. Now, answering your question, there is a separation, right? Because first and foremost, you have to know how your kid's gonna respond. Right. I think that you need to classify that. And I know that's hard, but Jason: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Joe Clemete: the relationship that you have with your kid, they know that one, if they always know that you love them and you're only looking at what's best for them and and you have a relationship where they understand that there's going to be days that, hey, listen, I'm going to push you, right? Because I I want the best for you and I know that you have more. And then there's going to be days that once they succeed and they do that, you're going to pull them back in. And but hey, listen, you did a great job, man. I'm super proud of you. They need to hear that too, right? So Jason: Yeah. Yeah. Joe Clemete: I think once you understand where the athlete or our kids are, right? Emotionally, and and you set that standard, it's pretty easy, right? I don't think any one of your kids, I've seen you guys in on you know in your posts, stuff like that. Your relationships are are are you as far as I can tell, they're really they're really, you know, they're great. And and not only that, but You can tell like when you're working out with your kids and stuff like that, they enjoy it. Okay. I'm not saying that you're not gonna get Jason: It's what I'm most I listen. I haven't done a whole lot in this life, but that's what I'm most proud of. Isn't that Jacob: Yeah. Joe Clemete: well how how can you not be? Jason: I'm just saying, like, I like I don't Jacob: Mm-hmm. Jason: take I don't take compliments well. I don't it at all. And that's Jacob: No, you don't. Jason: that is that is you can thank the fucking Great Depression for that shit. Okay. Except for except for I'm so proud of the of what I have with them. And I can't, it's not the same for both of I can't I can't be the same way with my nine as I can with HUD. Joe Clemete: It that's as simple as it is, right? That you to answer that question, that's what we need to know. Right. And us as dads, we should know that. Right. We should be able to know where that where that line is that I'm not going to cross and and now absolutely destroy my kid for for what reason? Right. There's like, hey, listen, let's have a conversation. You know what? You struggled there, right? You struggled there this week or whatever. Let's get better. Let's get in a cage. Let's let me know how I can help you. Let's let's go to work. Let's go to work. Right. It doesn't always have to be like, you suck this week. You better get in there. You're you're not eating this week until you get another hit. Like, why? I I'm I'm gonna ask you one other question, both of you guys. Jason: Yeah, yeah. Joe Clemete: Is that it, what is more important to you? Your seeing your kid go out and and hit a home run or turn a double play or the relationship that you have with your kids. Jason: The Jacob: my relationship. Jason: yeah, by far. I could give two shits. listen, I Jacob: Yeah. Jason: and this is God's honest truth. If Hudson came home tonight from football and said, Dad, because he's at football right actually, he's probably home by now. He's probably shit, he's probably listening. Jacob: Mm-hmm. Jason: and it said and what and and said, Joe Clemete: What's up, bruh? Jason: Dad, I'm I'm done. Like I'm done. I would be like, Okay, let's roll. But what's next? Like What are you gonna put your efforts into next? Because the only thing that I'm not okay with is giving up with these abilities that God gave you. So let's put this energy into something else. It's fine if it isn't gonna be Jacob: Not having a plan. Jason: baseball. It's fine if it isn't gonna be football. It's fine if it isn't gonna be basketball. I don't give a shit about that. That my love is not dictated upon the sport or the ball that's being dribbled or thrown at all. All the the only thing I want you to make sure is that you know that I love you enough that. I am not gonna let you waste what God gave you because I don't want you to struggle the way I struggle. And you've got every gift and every ability to not have to do that. So please let me help you get there. That's that I don't give a shit. Like, did I care? Perfect example. What's happening right now at his age group with a lot of his best friends? They're being recognized for being selected to a certain event. This weekend. Okay. I did not give two shits if he got it. I mean, okay, that's a lie. I did care. I would have been stoked. No, I mean, I'm keeping it real. Joe Clemete: What? Jacob: No. No, I know. Jason: I'm keeping it real. Like, yes, I would have been stoked, but because it didn't happen, I wasn't like, my God. I was, I was actually more along the lines of how do I protect his heart from being from over expecting him of himself? It wasn't so no, I don't care about that, Joe. Joe Clemete: We're we're we're the only ones, right? We're the only ones that they can like confide in, right? Like we're the safe space for their for our kids. Jason: And we can't lose that. Joe Clemete: No, but but that's what people are doing, right, Jay? They're losing it because they have it all wrapped up in this thought process that they gotta be great, they gotta be superstars, they gotta be a big leaguer, they gotta go play professional soccer, whatever it might be, right? I mean my daughter is a cheerleader. Dude, that is that is vicious that sport. Vicious. Like like like like I have never Jason: Yeah. Jacob: yeah. Joe Clemete: seen anything like it. But but she loves it. Right. And as long as she loves it, hey, we're gonna do everything we can to to help her be successful. But like you said, if either one of our kids ever turn around and say, Hey, listen, I'm done. I that what you what you showed tonight or what you said was absolutely on the screws, man. Like, hey, we're just not going to let you turn around and and be nothing. You're you're Jason: And waste it. Joe Clemete: too talented for that. God Jacob: We're gonna have a plan. Joe Clemete: gave you too many, too many, you know, skills and and you know, unfortunately, that's where we have Jason: Yeah. Yeah. And and I don't even mean Joe Clemete: to be able to stand out. Jason: Joe, I don't even mean athletically. I just mean like the drive. Like you have a drive kid that I didn't have. So if it's not gonna be in a sport, then let's like let's put that drive into building bridges. Let's put that drive into medical. Jacob: Motocross. Jason: Something anything like just I'm Jacob: Yeah. Jason: just saying, like, I'm just not willing to let you, and that's always been my thing, Joe, and God's on on God's on on God's word, right now, Jacob can attest to this. I crossed a bridge with my two boys where we no longer talked about the results of the game. I'll outside of them being a positive result, like a left-handed home run in Cooperstown or a grand slam. Joe Clemete: That was pretty cool. Jason: Shit, we're going to celebrate that and talk about that. Jacob: Yeah. Jason: But the negatives never ever ever get brought up. The only thing, and this happened, Jacob. I want to say it happened in Myrtle Beach at 10. I think it they I think they were 10U at Myrtle Beach. I don't remember what age that was. This is when this flipped for me, Joe. I said, I don't give a shit if you win, lose, strike out five times. Just don't you ever not give me everything you have because I Jacob: Yeah, a hundred percent. Jason: I, as a dad, am giving you everything I got. So just give it back. As long as you give it back, I don't care if you bat leadoff or ninth. I don't care, dude. I don't care. And we have had this constant we've had this constant mantra in our family. Like it's just effort. It's just the effort. I don't give two shits whether you got selected or not. Everybody knows you, everybody knows you ran on and you ran off the field. Jacob: Mm-hmm. Jason: That's it. And that you you laid out for it. So I agree with that, but that's something that I think, man, Joe, there's a lot of parents, there's a lot of parents that need to hear this. They need to hear it and they need to read it. Joe Clemete: Well, I appre I listen, I appreciate that. And I you know, it's funny. I hear you guys talking about this, and what's so cool about this, and and this is one of the premises of of why I wrote this book, right? Think about all the positive things that you just talked about and the relationship that you have with your kids. And let I'm gonna and I've seen it, so I'm gonna say it to you. Are they not successful? Are they not having fun? Do you guys not have a great relationship with your kids? Like you you It's all positive. Jason: Well, no. No, not not for Brooks. This has been the hardest. This has been very hard on Brooks this year. Joe Clemete: Your younger guy? Jason: Yes. Yes. Yes. So this year, like, and he was this close. Jacob knows this. He was this close to saying, I don't want to anymore. And the only saving grace we have is to reset hit the reset button, stay local, bring the fun back to it with his friends that Joe Clemete: One. Jason: he goes to school with, with zero expectations. And the reason he stopped loving it is because This old boy was the shrapnel of me thinking that I wasn't having expectations. I was having expectations. And those expect expectations then were expectations then that coaching staff had because, well, dad said you could do this, dad said you could do that. I am I've been w I've been wrong way more with him than I was ever right with Huddy. And so I'm I'm I was close, Joe. I was close. I was it we're able to we're able to catch it, but close to him being Yeah, no, I'm good. I'm good. Jacob: Well, we were on that boat too with Rantley with with the injury. I mean, you knew that. I told you that that Jason: Yeah, you were. Yeah. Yeah. Jacob: we were on there just coming home to play because he was I mean, he got injured and I think he didn't love the game as much as he thought he did and then slowly as we started going he was like, Hey, I do want to do this Like you know, when we s when he finally got cleared to, you know, start hitting and start working he was like, I really missed this. I wanna do this and I was like, Whew Thank you. Like I mean that was a big I mean Jason knows. H him and I had conversations about this and it was tough because I don't I mean I didn't know how to handle it as a parent. And Jason Jason just say, like, dude, you gotta let it be. If he doesn't wanna do it, then you can't be mad about it. Jason: I was I was like, I was like, it's it's gotta be you, Jacob. I told Jacob I we were on the phone, we weren't even on the podcast. And I was like, Jacob: Yeah. Jason: I was like, you gotta be prepared, you gotta be Jacob: Yeah. Jason: ready for him to say he doesn't want it as bad as you do. And Jacob's Jacob: Yeah. Jason: I know I am. I'm like, No, you're not. That's why we're having the conversation. Like, no, you're not ready. So I'm trying to help you get ready for it. Now, Brantley, to his credit, Brantley got healed. And when Brantley got healed, then the spark got lit. He also Jacob: Yeah. Jason: got to come. And be in Texas with his buddies, that Jacob: Yeah. Jason: helped light the that turned the you know the heat up on the on Jacob: Yeah. Jason: on the flame too. So it all helped. I have a question for you that this is not something this just this is how my ADD works. But we talk about the relationship that you that we have with our sons and how that has got to, it has to trump everything. It has to trump everything, good or bad, in this game of baseball or football or whatever. How how my question is, is how authentic or how vulnerable do you allow yourself to be in order to gain that trust? Because the only way you're going to know anything is if there are sons open up to us, right? Like the last thing we want is for them to shut down and to be so scared of us coaching them in life that they don't come to us. when they're 16 and they've got issues with a girl or whatever. How how much have you found yourself being vulnerable in the car ride home, in the long ride home? how have have you found yourself have you found yourself Joe Clemete: There's been plenty. There's been plenty. Jason: being very, very vulnerable and open with him to where that helps with the baseball side of it? Joe Clemete: One hundred percent. You know, you you mentioned trust, right? We all know that trust is the foundation but in any relationship, right? Love, of course, we always know love, but but trust, right? And once they trust us, right, once they they can come to us and and you know, whatever it might be, like you said, whether it's now, when they're older, as long as they know that, right, there's always gonna be that that relationship of where you know, things that they are afraid to tell you or they're afraid of fail, you know, of failing in front of you, Jason: Ready to failure. Joe Clemete: that that is going to that is going to be okay. Right? 'Cause cause now you're the sounding board. And yes, I have been very vulnerable in in car rides to the point of where I've actually been like I've questioned myself, like, should like should I have said that? Should I, you know, should I but then I said, you know what? He needed to know that. My Jacob: No. Joe Clemete: kids needed to know that. Like maybe not everybody goes about it the same way, but I need to know they need to know that they can trust me. They can come to me with anything. Okay. Jason: Yes. Joe Clemete: I love them more than anything. And our relationship is the most important thing. I don't care if they go out and they are all stars, they're big leaguers, they're whatever they want to be and be, you know, they they're successful or they're not. And if they're not, what can I do as a parent to be able to help them to get to to be successful in life. And as long as as long as they know, like it comes from here, right, guys? It Jacob: Yeah. Joe Clemete: comes from here. As long as it comes from here, I don't really care about being vulnerable with my kids. I want them to see that. I want them to know that. So that when the time comes that they need us the most, no matter what it is, they're gonna be like, hey, you know what? My I trust my parents. I trust my dad. I could tell him anything. And I think, Jay, I think you said earlier Like there's a thin line between being a dad and like the best friend, right? And Jacob: Yeah. Joe Clemete: and we have to figure out how to meld that together. Jason: Yeah, yeah. I all I find it so ironic how if you ask most kids who their favorite parent is, they always pick mom. Okay. Just okay. Why do you think that is? Because mom mom's Joe Clemete: So when Jason: not chewing them out. Mom's not chewing them out for for striking out, bro. Like, Joe Clemete: Exactly. But Jason: and so I just I hope that I hope that dad's out there. Like this is honestly more of a conversation to dads listening because I can't really I can't really speak on behalf of moms because I'm not a mom. But I hope that dads are listening to this. Like you can literally sabotage your relationship with your older son when he's an adult through some stupid shit at 9U baseball. Because Joe Clemete: yeah. Jason: if he doesn't trust you at 9U, do you really think he's gonna trust you at 21 when he's sneaking back into the house and he did put the dent in the in the car? You know what I mean? And he can't just like in st he's going to immediately think that you're going to Blast him instead Jacob: Yeah. Jason: of coming in, knocking on the door, and being like, Dad, I fucked up. And you'd be like, Okay, let's figure it out. Let's get it fixed. Instead of trying to hide it because he's scared of the consequences. So I I just hope that dads out there can realize, man, like I am this isn't about ball, bro. This is not really about ball. This is about me and you. How are me and you gonna go through life? Because It's really important for me, Joe, and I'm just being honest with you. It's really important for me not to die alone. Like I don't want to push, I don't I don't want to use baseball as the catalyst that drives a wedge between me and my sons to where I'm all by myself on a rocker someday because they don't really want to be around me. Jacob: Yeah. Joe Clemete: That sucks. That would suck, right? And and we're all on we're all in that. Like we all feel like that. I would even tell you that there are parents out there that act crazy, insane. They they still they probably still feel like that. They just don't know how to show it. They don't know. And that's why talking about the book and the things that we're talking about and how important these things are on your podcast, right? The things that you're talking about is because it's real. It's it's not this isn't Jason: Bro, you gotta be. Joe Clemete: made up. It's real, man. Like, you know, they they don't if they don't know how to get through it, this is gonna help them get through it. Jason: A thousand percent. And they also have to Jacob, they also have to realize that these kids aren't stupid. They know they know what we're doing. And so Jacob: Especially now. You know? Jason: the second that you the second that I find myself, the second that I check myself and I let them see me be vulnerable and I they know that I is the second that the boys know that I'm a lot that I'm letting them see that I'm not okay is the second that I get another I get another notch in their book of okay, dad's not too proud. Dad's not too, you know what I mean? His he's he's he's letting us in. Like dad's real. Like that's not the mythical, Jacob: He's opening the door. Jason: that's not the mythical character anymore. That there's dad. There he is. There he is. You see him? He's not okay. And he's he's letting us know it's it's okay to not be okay. So it's just it's super, super important. I want to go over something real quick before before we have to let you go. there's something you wrote in chapter 10 that That I find very fascinating, which is gonna go right along the line of what we're talking about. you say in here to let the silence do the work. What do you mean by that? Joe Clemete: So when are we when we talk about the long ride home, right? There's two different ways Jason: Yeah. That was really bro, that was really smooth what I just did right there. Like that was so smooth. Go ahead. Let's go. Let's go. Joe Clemete: That was excellent, right? That was so excellent. You just you rolled right into that. Are you a professional? You must be a professional at this, right? So, so Jacob: Yeah. Joe Clemete: when you're when you're getting into cars, right? Think about this. After the game, stuff like this. How many times have, you know, has a kid or your your kid gotten into the car and all of a sudden like you're you're sitting there and you're like waiting for them to say something, right? So you're You're in limbo right there. You're like, do I say something? Do I not say something? And at that point as parents, right, we gotta we gotta be patient there. And we gotta wait that out a little bit and be like, hey, when he's ready or she's ready, let let her come to us, right? Because we're always the ones who jump on them, right? For the most part. And we're like, hey, so sometimes just being silent, okay, goes goes a long way. And now it can it can hurt also, right? Because meaning it all depends on when if a kid had a bad game and you're used to coming they're used to coming in the car and being like, Hey, you did a good job and all of a sudden you're sitting there and you're like Jason: Yeah. Yeah. Jacob: Yeah, who's gonna break the ice first? Joe Clemete: They're like, whoa. You know what I'm saying? So like I think, you know, what what I meant by that is don't don't be in such a rush. Right. Feel Jason: Yes. Joe Clemete: let let it let it happen, right? Let the silence take over. And when they're ready, whether good or bad, that let them come to us and say, Hey, you know, hey, did you did you see what I did today? Did did you was I good with that? Yeah, yeah. Let you, you know, do you want to talk about it? And if you want to talk about it, I'm here to help. That's all. Something Jason: Yeah. Joe Clemete: that simple. Jason: What do you think about though? Like it is it a red flag if if a kid never wants to bring it up? Like so I'll give you a perfect example. Okay. Joe Clemete: Mm. Jason: I have two. I have I have two examples right over there. I I Joe Clemete: Roll out. Yeah, yeah. Jason: I have t I have two of them. And one of them, as soon as they get in, as soon as they get in the car, it is super download. Feeling very, very sorry for myself, feeling very, very up. did you see this? Did you see that? Okay. That's the little one. Where I have the 13, gets in the car, never mentions a word about anything, good or bad. Not a word. It's immediate checkout onto what's going on. Where are we getting food? How much food are we getting? Is is are we getting Dairy Queen after we get said food? So what about the kid who never do you think that that's unhealthy for a kid to Never like relive the practices or the moments, good or bad. Joe Clemete: Well, I think you're you're in a there's two different situations there, right? Like as your younger guy, he's looking for affirmation, right? That like he Jason: Hundred percent. Joe Clemete: you you know I'm saying he he wants to know like were you watching? Were you really watching, you know? Jason: Right. Right. Yeah. Joe Clemete: and he and he wants that's that's the connection. Okay. Your older guy, again, I'm a little biased because I've seen him play, right? He's a he's more mature. He's actually at a place, I think, okay, as a coach, I'm just saying what I see, okay. Jason: Mask. Yeah, I'm asking. Joe Clemete: He he's at a point where he's very comfortable with himself. And he knows Jacob: Yeah. Jason: Okay. Joe Clemete: because he works, he puts in the time, he puts in the effort. He also knows, hey, you know what? When I'm ready to talk to dad, like or when I'm ready to to ask him questions, I can talk to him. It doesn't have to be immediate. It doesn't have to be right now. And if you think about it, again, I'm I I I don't know if he's like this, but if I were to guess a little bit, that conversation when he gets into the car. He understands that he gets to play another game tomorrow. Right. Jacob: Yeah. Joe Clemete: So i a short term memory law, you know, short term memory in this game is so crucial. Right. I I got a good, bad, or indifferent. Hey, if I went out and I went four for four with four Jason: Like, bro, Joe Clemete: homers. Jason: I'm driving and I'm just like, please, please bring it up. Bring it up. Just say something sweet because Joe Clemete: You're the one you're the one stressing out, right? Jacob: Is it Jason: I'm just sitting there like, really? Really? We're not gonna we're not gonna talk about this. We're just gonna Jacob: Yeah. Jason: stay in silence the whole way. We're not gonna like you're up. I've told Jacob before, I'm like, I don't I don't know. Like, does he even give a shit? Or and then Jacob: Yeah. Jason: I I find out later, no, he's just he's washed it. Like it's hey, I I don't get to take it with me tomorrow. So what the fuck is the point of talking about today? Joe Clemete: I mean, we I mean, think about it as a player. I I I wish I could have done that a long time ago. And he's doing it as a thirteen year old. Like Jason: I'm just I'm just sitting here white knuckling wanting to correct Jacob: It's yeah. Jason: some things and we're just we're just not what? It's just it's old news. It's been seven minutes, bro. Like your feet still stink. We're not gonna talk about this. Nope, we're not gonna talk about it. Okay then. All right. I guess we're not gonna talk. Jacob: Yeah. See, my car Joe Clemete: Can I Jacob: rides my car rides different. go ahead, Joe. My car rides different. Joe Clemete: d does no, no, you go, you go. I'm I'm excited to hear this. Jacob: You know, as soon as if it's just him and I, he gets in the car and it's I've always noticed this. It's always start with a negative and ends with the positive. Joe Clemete: So he so Jason: Okay. Joe Clemete: he can he can differentiate, right? So like Jacob: Yeah, he'll be Well, this is he'll be like, Well, this is where I had a pass ball. If I would have dropped down faster or did something, you know, this, but I hit a shot up the middle that scored two RBI, you know, that scored two runs. And then that's where the conversation ends. But he always Jason: I never get that shit. Jacob: he always ends on a positive. Joe Clemete: Yeah, but that's like that's almost like when a doctor walks in and is like, Hey, you want the good or the bad? Right. What do you want what do you want to hear first? And and Jason: Yeah. Joe Clemete: he's chosen to tell you the bad, right? Or or and I don't say bad, just maybe the the weaker side of what happened in the game. And then he wants you he wants to end with the positive because he knows, hey, that's uplifting and that's gonna make it easier for him to move on. Right. And I think that's that's important. And again, that's maturity at a young age. Right, to be able to see that. Jason: All right. Well, I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a red flag of like, man, I'm doing this and this kid doesn't give a shit. Like he's just doing it 'cause he's good at it. Like, but he really doesn't Jacob: Yeah. Joe Clemete: Mm. Jason: care because he never wants to talk about it. Like it I it I and I know that I'm I'm just I know that I'm not the only one. That's why I brought it up. So anyways. Joe Clemete: I think I I think that you're you know, for him he he is in a a much more mature state because he he Jason: Than I am. Jacob: Ha ha ha. Joe Clemete: We're we're all a little stunat, you know what I'm saying? Like I'm not gonna but but I think Jason: Yeah. Yeah. Joe Clemete: that because of the level of competition that he plays and and I think that, you know, because he's been successful, he look, Jay, you you don't want you Jason: He's comfortable and isn't on skill. Joe Clemete: listen, you don't want to hear this, but you probably did a great job making him understand, like, you know, hey, let it go. You can't just you just can't keep it with you. You're the one who can't let it go. You know what I'm saying? So that's why Jason: I know. No. I mean, I I feel like I get better. Yeah. I feel like I'm getting better. But there are Jacob: Yeah, you have. Jason: definite, there are yes. I mean, there are definite there are definite days though where I'm just like, let's like, let's just talk. Like I want so badly. Perfect example. We're in we're at the PGI and he's with Maddie Vasquez. He's playing second. Maddie is it short. It's a it's a it's a textbook double play for those two to pull off. They've never played before in their lives together. And it the I don't know nobody really knows what happened. Jacob: Yeah. Jason: And I want to know, I want to know what happened so bad. And it's like we don't I asked Nettie on the podcast, can you tell Jacob: It you got it got so bad that you asked Maddie, Hey, what happened? 'Cause you didn't want to ask your kids. Jason: me what happened? Because he's not gonna talk about it. So yes, I won't let it go. Be just and it's just I I guess I I guess I won't I won't let it go because I'm looking for any nuggets, Joe, of information of how can I help. That's it. I don't mean it. I don't mean it in a way where I want to I want to flaunt the flaws. I I I'm a fixer. So is there something? Is there did that happen because something I need to help you with when we get home? And in reality, no, no, it was just a it was just a fucking air. Yes. Jacob: It's it's a baseball play, yeah. Jason: Yes. So, anyways, tell us about the podcast before we let you go. Joe Clemete: so yeah, so it's pretty cool. We started a podcast called Forward, like I told you guys earlier. it's it's better athletes, better people. And listen, we talk about youth sports, you know. Jason: Clearly, clearly you should have renamed clearly it should be named Blurb, but go ahead. Joe Clemete: The bl Jacob: Ha ha ha. Joe Clemete: I'm gonna talk to Kat about adding blurb somewhere in there in the Instagram. So Jason: Yeah. Yeah. No for no forward blurb. Jacob: We're gonna get something in the Hey, you know what? Speaking of blurbs, I meant to say that I'm not to cut you off, but when we got the books, Jason's like, I got my book, can't even fucking sign it. I'm like, It's it it's past the reviews. Well now we know they're blurbs. Jason: Dude. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was so pissed off. Folks, so I got this book. He may he he mailed it to me. he next day aired it to me. I Jacob: We asked him to sign it. Jason: don't know. while I was in Florida on vacation. And the book came and I opened it up and I was like, cool, you know, this is sweet. Yeah, I should take about seven minutes to read this thing because it's nice big letters, big chat GPT emblems in here and some other things. Joe Clemete: Yeah. Jason: And Jacob sends a picture of his and he's got this this this love letter from Joe in the inside. And I'm like, what the what the seriously dude? Seriously. It's my podcast Joe Clemete: He was pissed. He was so pissed. Jacob: He was Jason: and you're giving this guy the signed copy. And then Jacob's like, no, go three pages over. First of all, who the w why? Why is it seven pages in? Why is it not on the cover, Joe? Why? Why is Jacob: Yeah. Jason: it in here? Joe Clemete: I will send you I will send you another one and put it on a cover because you Jacob: Yeah. Joe Clemete: gotta get we want you to read all the blurps. Jason: Yeah. Jacob: Ha ha ha. Jason: shit. All right. So the podcast, what's going on with it? What kind of who you and who? Joe Clemete: That's awesome. That's awesome. Yeah, so the podcast, listen, we we have a lot of so so my the host is Kevin. right. Our yeah, yeah, the our our publisher. Jason: Okay, the lawyer. Okay. Okay. Joe Clemete: I'm the co host and then of course our producer is Kat. And Jason: How much freedom in it? How the fuck can that be any fun? You have an you have an attorney as your co host? Are you allowed to say anything? Joe Clemete: he's awesome. He he's awesome. Listen, I want to tell you right now, he gave up. He he he he doesn't as good of as as incredible of a lawyer that he is, an attorney that he is, he l like he's awesome at this. He loves this. He is, I tell you right now, I have been I've been so blessed for him for being the publisher and just everything that he's done and and for cat too. But but seriously, Kev is aces. we have a we have a really good relationship. We could probably talk for hours about a subject. Jason: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Joe Clemete: but you guys gotta check it out, man. So like it's it's I believe it's the forward pod on Instagram and stuff like that. But listen, since you got me on here, we gotta get you on there. Is that cool? Jason: I I yeah, d I mean, Jacob: Yeah. Jason: yeah. No notes. I don't wanna have any clue what you're gonna ask me about. I want Jacob: Yeah, just go off the head. Jason: I just want you to just spring it on us and Joe Clemete: You'll love it. You'll you'll love it. The the topics. Listen, you you've read the book, right? there's a lot of stuff that's about the the book, but not it's not just about that. Like it's about things that we just talked about a little bit and and getting, you know, in depth more about how to help parents deal with youth sports. Like and the craziness and like there's a lot to be said. So you know, again the Jason: Yeah. How often do you guys record? Joe Clemete: So we do it once a week. We do it on Thursdays once a week. Jason: Okay. Okay. That's a little lazy, but sure. Okay. Joe Clemete: Well, we're not there yet. We're once well, we would love to do it full time, right? I can't stroll around like, you know, Cooper's town and you know what I'm saying? And and walk into like these mass war stick. That's awesome. Like I'm gonna go there today. How awesome was that? How awesome was that. Jason: Bro. Bro, that was that was Jacob: That was awesome, man. Jason: Yeah, that was that was kind of sick. Wait hey, Jacob: That was a that was an experience. Jason: wait until we go to WVU in the biometrics lab and this some bitch is walking around with a wireless mic because that Joe Clemete: dude. Jason: I can't wait for that. And we just found out about that and you know, my buddy My buddy Joe Clemete: That's awesome. I can't wait. I can't wait. Jason: I know it's gonna be good, but I'm just I'm nothing is really like very we used to Jacob and I used to have a lot of things scheduled Jacob: A schedule. Jason: and planned out. And that burned us, that burned me out very, very quickly. Like I was getting burned out very quickly, very fast, because everything was on schedule, everything was planned out ahead. And it was bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, to where now I am letting things come a lot more naturally. I am letting things happen and I'm I am trying to be, I think it's making the podcast better and more authentic because we're not we're not we're not trying to do too much anymore. I was trying to do a lot because clearly it was it seemed like it was gonna be it it was gonna it was gonna be received with open arms. And so I was like, okay, we gotta go, we gotta go, we gotta go and book as many people as we possibly could. Where now I have I've told him before like So much of this we have got to get back to what it was, which Jacob: Yeah. Jason: is you and me on a tailgate trying to figure this life out. You know what I mean? And a guest here and there coming in and giving us a perspective of something else. That's awesome. But we cannot lose sight of what this was when it started. And that was you and me on a tailgate figuring this out. So I'm excited. I'm excited for your podcast. Jacob: Yeah, me too, man. Jason: yeah, and Joe Clemete: Well, I I I appreciate that and and listen, this has been awesome. So I can't thank you guys enough. This is Jason: I don't know if it's typical for your, you know, blurb segments. I don't know if it is. Like I don't know what kind of conversations you've had. Are you on like, bro, are you like on a media tour? Like have you are you doing that? Like Joe Clemete: No, I Jacob: Yeah. Joe Clemete: a mediator. This is my media tour right now. You are the media tour. Jason: Are you doing like a signing at like Barnes and Noble or anything? Jacob: Yeah. Joe Clemete: No, no. So, so we've done we've discussed it again. This is pretty fresh, right? Yeah, but now but now it's on. So I'm gonna meet you in Ohio on Saturday, and I'll sign the cover. I'll sign the cover, Jay. Jason: I was joking, but okay, now it's on. If you do a fucking book to work last word, I'm gonna show up. Joe's gonna be at Costco at the membership Jacob: Hey, that's you let us know, we will meet you. Hey, I can set that up for you. Joe Clemete: No doubt, no doubt! Jason: It'll be right next to the sample lady. Yeah, Jacob: Yep. Joe Clemete: be right I'll be right next to the cheese signing autographs. Jason: you can't the Jacob: Ha ha. Jason: here's the kicker though. Here's the kicker. You can't buy one, you gotta buy you gotta buy a pallet. Jacob: You gotta buy a bulk. Joe Clemete: You gotta buy the tray. You gotta buy the tray. I'll have Kev sitt next to me and Kat holding the tray like, Hey, you want some? Get a book. You want a book? Get a yeah, sign an autograph? Okay. Buy the cheese. Jason: Yes. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. You gotta buy mi Jacob: Mm. Jason: yep, you gotta buy a minimum of twenty-four books when you get this Costco. But anyways. All right. Yeah. Joe Clemete: That's how tight we are. They would do it. They would do it. Jason: dude, thank you. And I'm so sorry. Jacob: Thank you. Joe Clemete: This is awesome. Jason: I'm so sorry that it has been prolonged as long as it has. That's not you're on you, that's on us. but I think as you get into the podcast world and you get deeper and deeper, you're gonna realize this is not as easy as it looks. And Joe Clemete: No, absolutely not. Absolutely not. Jason: and there's just a lot of things. Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, we are not Rogan and we are not, you know, Rich Eisen. So we do have to figure out how to juggle life while bringing Jacob: Yeah. Jason: these perspectives to you guys. So thank you, thank you, thank you. Go ahead. Jacob: I yeah, thank you, Joe. And I do want to give a shout out too. I want to give a shout out to Nikki Amari. She's the one that hooked Joe and I up together. You know, she reached out to me and said, Hey, I know this guy. He's writing a book. Jason: Little guy. Jacob: And he's writing a book. He coaches. He played. He's been coaching for over twenty years. And she goes, I want to hook you guys up. And I sent him your podcast. And then, you know, she put us together. Joe and I talked that first time. I think we lost. We dropped a call probably about seven or eight different times that day, but Joe Clemete: Yeah. Jacob: but I mean we got it figured out. So, you know, shout out to her. Thank you. Joe Clemete: Definitely a huge thank you. And and guys, listen, you know, you guys are awesome. We love watching you. And and and when I said that I was talking about like the podcast and Jay, you were talking about being natural. That's what we were trying to do. Like Kevin and I, when we do ours, it can't be scripted. You know, poor Jason: No. Joe Clemete: Kat's got to do all the editing as many times as I I say write and write and write and write and but she she's awesome at that. But it's gotta be natural, it's gotta be a flow. Jason: Yeah. What do you guys use it? What's your platform? Joe Clemete: Kat, what What platforms are we using? Jason: If you're not using Riverside, then you're not cool. Jacob: Mm-hmm. Joe Clemete: She he he said if we're not using riverside we're not cool. Jason: That's what you're on right that's what you're on right now. Joe Clemete: We're w that's what we're on right now, Riverside. Jason: Tell Joe Clemete: we're using what did you say? Descript? Yeah. Descript. Jason: Okay. Tell her tell her. I'm just telling you, I can I can help I can give her some t but I'm telling Jacob: behind the scenes. Jason: you, Riverside will change her life on on how much on how hard her life on how hard you're making her life, Riverside can make Jacob: Yeah. Jason: her life a whole a whole lot easier. Joe Clemete: if we can make it easier. So what I'm gonna do is you want Jay, you wanna shoot me a an email and I'll and I'll connect you and and and cat and Jason: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just telling you. So Adrian Blue's new podcast, that's I he's using Riverside. I can tell you Mike Langford is using Riverside. Like everybody Jacob: Yeah. Yep. Joe Clemete: really? Jason: that has started one after us, they've asked me and I'm not here to hide anything. Like and the Riverside doesn't pay me shit. I'm just telling you Jacob: No. Jason: that it is yeah. Joe Clemete: They should. Jason: It was like no I'm telling you it's been it's been that it's been that seamless. So Joe Clemete: Can I ask you guys your opinion on something, especially because you you've been in the in the podcast world? Like, so what would do you have any suggestions since the like the book is like new, we're starting to get it out with the podcast and stuff. Like, do you have any suggestions of of maybe another way of how I could I could get it out even more? Like really try to get in front of people? Do you any any thoughts? It doesn't have to be right now. You could shoot me an email. I don't care. But I'm just trying to figure it Jason: Yeah, I mean I Joe Clemete: out. Jason: I would definitely I would definitely try to coordinate something and you have you have a you have a Rolodex that is way deeper Jacob: Mm-hmm. Jason: than anything that I ever have. And I would start doing something to where I would go to some of these bigger tournaments and I would set up and I would Jacob: Yeah. Jason: just I would I would have conversations and I would I mean I know it sounds cheesy but a booth there's no presence like having a presence. That is what that is what I have discussed. Joe Clemete: That makes sense. That makes sense. We talked about going to tournaments and stuff like that. Jason: A thousand percent. A thousand percent. And you could, you know, you could offer, you know, you could offer ten percent off. You could offer the book for ten Joe Clemete: Yeah. Jason: bucks in person, you know, and do a book signing at you could do a book signing at the Beast of the East. You could do a book signing at, you know, you could yeah, Jacob: Best of the West, like Jason: wherever you're at. I mean you're on the East Coast or whatever, but you could literally go down there and do a book signing and just have conversations because when somebody reads the book, if they know who you are. It's gonna hit a whole lot harder. Joe Clemete: That makes sense. That makes sense. And and with the audio book. Jacob: Yeah, they actually put a face to the book. Jason: Yeah. And I would Joe Clemete: Yeah. Jason: and I would also personally too, like you you do really good with your phone on your little Jacob: Mm-hmm. Jason: on your reel stuff. You could literally do three minute little blurbs of your book. Like you could you Joe Clemete: Yeah. Jason: could you could literally read these little these little analogy paragraphs that you put in these things, whatever they're called, you could literally Joe Clemete: Sure. Yep. Jason: read those and turn those into reels and get the like that's that's That's easy. That doesn't cost you anything. That doesn't cost you shit. That Jacob: With the cover of the book. With the cover of the book. Yeah. Jason: just takes time. Yeah. So Joe Clemete: Well, and that's what and and that's what I'm gonna do then. So listen, you guys Jason: Yeah. Anyway. Joe Clemete: are awesome. I can't thank again, I can't thank you enough for this. And and I appreciate Jason: Thank you. Thank you. Jacob: Thank you. Joe Clemete: you speaking so highly about the book, helping me promote it. And if there's anything that you need, Jason: Yes. Yes. And where can people find it? Joe Clemete: so you could get that. So the book is being sold right now at we're at we are at hard knock press dot com, right? Yeah. So it's it's at hard knock press dot com. And they could go on and and they could purchase it there. The audiobook again will be coming very soon. I'll send you guys a copy of that when I when I get that. I can't autograph that just so you know, Jay. But Jason: We will put the link. Yeah. We'll put the we'll put the link. Yes. And then the Spanish version will be coming later. Yeah, the Spanish version Jacob: Yeah. Jason: will be coming later. but we will put the link to the hard knocks for the book. We will put that at the top of the description of this on YouTube and and all of the platforms. So if you're having a hard time figuring out how to find it, just go to the description of this podcast and it'll be at the very top, right near Bargetown and right near Green River. It'll be the link to take them right to the store. To buy this book. It might literally be the easiest fifteen bucks you ever spent that Jacob: Yeah. Jason: like that is three cups of coffee for something for a playbook. It's the God's honest truth. The God's honest truth. So Jacob: Parent guide book. Jason: Joe, thank you. I can't thank you enough. Joe Clemete: Listen, I can't Jacob: Thank you, Joe. Joe Clemete: thank you guys enough. You guys are awesome and enjoy and tell the boys I said hello. Good luck this weekend. Jason: I absolutely will and we will t we'll talk soon, okay? Thanks, buddy. Have a good night. Yep. Jacob: I do. Thanks, Joe. Yep. Yeah. Joe Clemete: Absolutely. Thank you guys. Stay well. Jacob: Yeah, you too.