Jacob Moreno: I wish you guys was weak. Jason Corley: Good, easy, I guess you could say. are finishing up, getting ready for spring break, because that's what their spring break started on, ⁓ started Thursday. Their last day was Wednesday, so. Jacob Moreno: ⁓ you see, Brandleys started yesterday. Good Friday. Jason Corley: Okay. All right. Now I was watching, I was watching the McAfee show and they were talking to Ty cause Ty is a, Ty was in Catholic school, his whole elementary or whatever. And he was talking about fasting and all that stuff and how he, how he had to do all the fasting for school before. Do you guys really have to do that? Jacob Moreno: Mm-hmm. No, we just don't eat meat on Fridays. Jason Corley: You just don't eat meat on Fridays. All right. So. The fish. Jacob Moreno: Yeah, you gotta eat like fish, yeah. which I don't mind, I don't mind because I I love seafood, so. Jason Corley: Right. Yeah. Jacob Moreno: we do the fish and the fish, the chicken or the fish, the shrimp, all that stuff. Jason Corley: Yeah. Hey, you got to scoot over to your left. There you go. Yep. That's better. ⁓ So, yes, Skyler. ⁓ Yeah, we can just start this and then I can tell her what Jacob Moreno: Better? Okay. So I did do a little digging on him and then I also went to Chad GPT, took his picture from his profile and his name and I told Chad GPT, give me 20 questions to ask this person. Jason Corley: Okay, well we're definitely gonna talk about 501C3 because he pushes it and I'm still not okay with it. ⁓ yeah, that's definitely, I can't read it so I don't know. ⁓ yeah, good. ⁓ I have obviously talking points are the 501C3 and then you have your questions ⁓ and I wanna talk to him about this. Jacob Moreno: No, I know, there's just been questions. Jason Corley: play bit this play ball coach thing that he does, because there's a bunch of stuff that he does that tells me that he sees problems, you know, I mean, in youth in youth sports. So that's what I want to ⁓ you probably you might have gotten the same you might have gotten the same questions that I did. But yeah, I don't know. We'll just we'll start this and we'll just kind of talk about him before he comes on because he's going to log on here in like four minutes. So Jacob Moreno: Yes. That episode, that last episode we did was good too. Jason Corley: welcome everybody to the travel dads podcast brought to you by Bardstown bourbon and green river whiskey. I'm most Jason Corley alongside my coffee and Amigo. Jacob Moreno: Jacob Moreno. Bienvenidos a otro pesado de Travel Dad Podcast. Jason Corley: Yeah, so we were just talking about our last podcast with Mike Langford and you said that was a really good podcast. ⁓ Yeah, I mean, it was yeah, it was we still have we still have Coach Beam at the top right now. Without a doubt. But yeah, I mean, what did you what did you like about the podcast, Mike? Jacob Moreno: Mmm, yeah. Just a rawness. He was open to talk about stuff that some people may be hesitant to talk about. Jason Corley: Yeah. Yeah. Their comments have definitely come in from that one. Jacob Moreno: Yeah, yeah, just the openness, you know, from the kickbacks to yet the business side is the main thing that I really liked about it because we've got to see from that side to the parent, you know what I mean? Like the other side, not the parents, but the business side of everything, which. Jason Corley: the business. Yeah. Yeah, he definitely, he definitely didn't shy away from the fact that, you know, he's running this like a business. ⁓ I mean, he made that very clear, you know what mean? That this is, this is a business opportunity. The first opportunity hasn't gone so well with the gloves. So this was the next avenue. And this is the avenue that he sees is, you know, ⁓ the most profitable. And so that's what he's focused on. And you can either like, or you don't. And that's just. Jacob Moreno: Mm-hmm. Yeah, I mean, you can't blame him. I mean, I'm he's put a lot of money into it that he wants to make some of it back. Jason Corley: No, mean, to eat their own. Yeah. And, you know, and like we've had conversations with everybody else, I think there's definitely, I think what you and I are discovering is, is there are definitely two different trains of thought when it comes to youth baseball. There is the business side and then there is strictly just the kids. And those that think and believe in their hearts, that they're, I don't know, that they're, I don't even know like that they're and I don't want to say that they're anti business, but that they're all about the quote unquote, I swear to God, we've used this word so much as it's most overused word in youth baseball by far is development. Jacob Moreno: development. And then I got, ⁓ so I got a message and just very vague. And it was about the whole business side. And it said, no wonder, you know, people like this are the reason why lower income kids can't afford to play travel baseball. Jason Corley: Can't do it. I got one like that too. Yeah. It wasn't, it wasn't wanted like that, but that's what they were trying to get across. Jacob Moreno: And I'll... ⁓ mine was word, mine was word exactly like that. Like, you know, the lower income, that's why in big cities, baseball isn't a big thing. Jason Corley: Yeah. Yeah. And which doesn't honestly, like, if you think about it, too, ⁓ I don't know, from a marketing standpoint, I would assume that the ⁓ the urban areas of the country, okay, that struggle having number one, there's no, you know, parks and rec, we've been down that road, like parks, the parks departments are not taking care of the facilities. So the kids Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Jason Corley: literally just have a grass field, they don't even have a ball field anymore like it used to be. But I would think I would think that from an urban standpoint, those are the most easy marketing areas because they're most they're they're influenced the easiest. So our country has historically influenced inner city and urban areas. Like to the nth degree, whether it's through whether it's through reform and in the the Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Yeah. Jason Corley: the dream of progress and change to, know, to, there's coach right there. I'm going to tag him in. Hold on a second here. I say coach. He's not a coach. Yeah, he is actually. Jacob Moreno: He is. Jason Corley: BOOM! What up buddy? Skyler Watkins: What is up guys? What is up? I'm, I am here. I've got ⁓ baseball glove holding up this phone on the steering wheel. Cause you got me going landscape mode. we're nobody laughed too hard and this baby will ride just like it's supposed to for a minute. Jacob Moreno: What's up man, how are you? So what you're saying is your vehicle is self-driving. ⁓ Jason Corley: Yeah, I can see that. Yeah, I can see. What is it? A whamoo or we move or something like that? I don't think they've I don't think they've gotten away. Mo in a what is it? The Texas edition of the F-150 maybe is that what I see is that Kangaroo? Yeah. Skyler Watkins: No, no, no, we're parked, we're parked, we're parked. Yeah. Waymo. King ranch. Yeah. It's King ranch. Yeah. I'm hoping for a sponsorship from them. Like after 40 million views, you would think maybe I'd get a truck, but. Jason Corley: Dude, I'm telling you, like you would think like we brought this up a couple podcasts ago where we talking about wanting to take this thing on the road. And in my mind, I'm thinking, OK, I know of a couple in like I know specifically of a few parents that work at GM and Chrysler. And I'm thinking to myself, y'all listen to the show, y'all work in management like at these facilities. Tell me, you tell me like, like, tell me a more perfect scenario like then travel than a vehicle. Jacob Moreno: Yep. Jason Corley: Because I mean, if if KNR, if if if 850 AM here in Cleveland can be sponsored by Ganley Ford and he and whatever the GM, because he got Tony Rizzo just got a brand new Tahoe. And I'm thinking to myself, Tony, you know, I don't think you had the Internet reach that we do. So what's going on? ⁓ Skyler Watkins: Yep. Yep. I told my wife the other day, if I could get the people that send me hats to wear, if I could just get them to pay me a penny per view, I would make about 35,000 a month, but I can't get them to do it. Jacob Moreno: Do it, it. Jason Corley: ⁓ my god. Yes. Folks, I wanna introduce our guest to you right now, ⁓ Mr. Skyler Watkins. We met via the interwebs on the line as Will Ferrell would like to say, or Vince Vaughan would like to say. ⁓ We met on the line. It was an immediate connection obviously because his stuff came up on my feed. I think our stuff came up on his feed. Jacob Moreno: Hehehehe. Hehehehe. you Jason Corley: there was, I know, a couple of weeks ago, you made a video and you said, I came across this, this podcast called travel ⁓ And I was like, that's our ⁓ ⁓ then you and I started talking and found out that we had some similar connections in the outdoor hunting industry, ⁓ then it felt like, okay, well there's my cousin. just didn't know. I didn't know that he was gone. So, ⁓ but Mr. Schuyler, thank you for coming on the show. Skyler Watkins: That was a great impression. That was a great impression. Jason Corley: I'm pumped to have you on here because I know that we've got a lot to talk about but I think first and foremost if I'm not mistaken you got some issue with Jacob. Skyler Watkins: I I do, I do. But first, let me say this on a positive note. All right, Jacob, you don't have to your head like that, man. That's exactly what my dog does right when I get that newspaper out, man. No, no, first, first, I just want to say that you guys have done, this is absolutely amazing. I spend a lot of time. ⁓ Jason Corley: you Jacob Moreno: I'm confused here now. You got me a little confused here now. Skyler Watkins: used to be mowing baseball fields and softball fields. Now it's just mowing around here at my house after I got off the board of the little league. But I, I've looked for two years now, I have looked for a halfway decent podcast about youth sports or whatever. And I always end up just getting back to Joe Rogan. So I got something to listen to. And then when I found y'all doing that one, thought, Holy cow, man, here's something that's actually got quality production. The audio is great. The video is great. And they're talking about stuff that is actually important to us and it's not from some commercialized facade that's just, you know, ⁓ here's blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. mean, it's actual cool information that people like me ⁓ are interested in hearing and it gives great talking points. So I just got a props to y'all for that. This is something that I would love to be able to in a few years be like, Hey, I know those guys, you know what I mean? So, ⁓ this is, this is really cool that y'all are doing this. ⁓ yeah. Jason Corley: Thank you for that. It happened on accident. Skyler Watkins: Yeah, no, no great idea and most most good things do happen by accident, you know, so but to the point of jacob Right, so i'm trying i'm trying to listen the other day while while y'all have ⁓ the deek diamond no, it was diamond diamond king. ⁓ what is it? Yeah ⁓ So i'm i'm listening and i'm driving back from you and I were talking i'm driving back from the ranch, you know And i'm sitting here for five minutes Jason Corley: Yes. Coach Pink. Mike Rinker. Mike L- Jacob Moreno: Mike. Skyler Watkins: I looked like a meth head trying to scrub my phone to get whatever was off of my phone. All right. And Jacob, you've got a spot on your wall back there, bro, to the right of your little case that, that looks like something on somebody's phone. And I scrubbed for five minutes. And then I went, you know what? That's freaking Jacob's wall. If this dude would just put a little touch up paint on his wall, I wouldn't scrub my phone for five minutes while I'm driving. It's right. Jason Corley: You You You You Yeah. you Jacob Moreno: ⁓ down here. Jason Corley: You Skyler Watkins: Yeah, right down there. Yeah. It looks like dust on your phone and I sat there scrubbing it and it would not come off. And I was like, this joker has got crap on his wall and I'm scrubbing my phone like an idiot. So yeah. Jacob Moreno: Yeah, it's a scratch, my bad. Jason Corley: you Jacob Moreno: Hahaha! ⁓ Jason Corley: Listen brother, there's nobody more tone deaf to his backdrop or where he's at on camera than my partner and my amigo. I can tell you that. Skyler Watkins: You Jacob Moreno: This is all new to me guys, come on now I'm only two months in. Skyler Watkins: Hey Bro, I'm sitting in a truck. All right. This is my production. Jason Corley: And I love it. And I also, I too, I want to say this. This is no shot to Bobby. Bobby, don't take this personally, but thank you for not doing this podcast with this little furry handheld ⁓ microphone. Yeah. I mean, you're literally about what, 17 inches away from your phone. Your audio is perfect. You don't have to have a wireless mic with a fuzzy on it, with a fuzzy rabbit on it. You're sitting in your, Bobby, love you. We love you. But I think it's okay to cut the fuzzy rabbit. I really do. Jacob Moreno: The mic. Skyler Watkins: Yeah. Jason Corley: I think it's okay to cut the busy rabbit. ⁓ listen, there's a couple of things that we want to talk about and ⁓ just to just in all transparency, folks, I sent him these things yesterday because I am not in the business of being caught off guard or making it sound or appear as though Jacob and I are trying to catch somebody in an awkward position. I want him to have time to think about this. I want him to have time to gather his thoughts. Skyler Watkins: Yeah, for sure. Jason Corley: and to possibly come up with a great ⁓ talking point that can help Jacob and I understand. Because these questions that Jacob and I come up with are not questions that we're sitting on some soapbox trying to preach. These are questions that we have. we don't really, our opinions are still open. our, I guess you could say our perception and ⁓ our ideas can be molded to something different as we grow and we learn. Am I not right, Jacob? Jacob Moreno: Yes, that's I mean, you're 100 % right about David Winnett. Yeah. Jason Corley: So ⁓ one of these things that has been, that Jacob and I brought up ⁓ originally in one of the very first couple episodes we did, that has been a massive talking point still to this day, outside of reclassing, is the 501C3 debacle, ⁓ okay? You and I talked about it and I literally texted you back and I said, save it for the pod. Don't answer me, it for the pod. ⁓ Because I have had time to sit on this, I've had time to chew on it. Jacob Moreno: Okay Jason Corley: And I keep coming back to where it just doesn't sit right with me. This is just me. I don't even know how Jacob feels about it. I don't think Jacob cares either way. But for me, I just have a tendency to, I don't know. just, it's a cringe factor for me. And the reason why is because every guest Skylar that we have had on, especially Mike Langford, the last one has talked about how big of a business youth baseball is not youth sports, but we're going to just talk about youth baseball and how how much money is generated through this business. Hell, we've said, I have a podcast in this now. So I'm, I can't call the kettle gray. I have to call the kettle black. So to me, the term nonprofit feels out of place in a space generating massive revenue. I've had weeks to digest this topic and I'm still not sure what or how I feel personally about it. My concern is that organizations may be using the tax advantage while operating like a for-profit business. Skyler Watkins: And. Jason Corley: Lack of transparency and accountability is where the money goes. ⁓ My discussion is to you is this, is can a nonprofit truly exist in a for-profit driven youth sports environment? Go. Skyler Watkins: ⁓ yes, because pretty much every church does on planet earth, you know, and I mean, that's, and I don't mean that sacrilegiously, but if you, if you look at things and this is kind of a little bit off topic, but nonprofit doesn't mean that nobody gets paid. That's not what nonprofit means. You know what I mean? And so you, you look at, at your pastors or your organization. I mean, let's be real honest about it. If you stay even out of the outside of the church field and just look at. Jason Corley: You love it? Jacob Moreno: I don't know. Jason Corley: Yeah. Skyler Watkins: who some of your wealthiest CEOs in the world are. They're all over nonprofits. ⁓ And so it's not just a, in your point to your point that you could have the same opinion about those as you would as you sports, right? So that's not a big deal. That might not change your opinion. However, my opinion changed because I was with you, right? I was with you on that, on why are they doing this? How's this working? My opinion changed just from a business standpoint. ⁓ I actually, ⁓ years ago had a nonprofit in the outdoor industry. so the part that changed it for me is let's say that you Jason decide I'm going to build this team or this program for these kids because I think they need better than what is offered in my area. just like, ⁓ what was his name? Mike that was on last time. Okay, just like he was saying, Jacob Moreno: you Jason Corley: Mm-hmm. Skyler Watkins: You know, it's about an experience more than the profit and this, and this kind of stuff, which a lot of people start out that way. And, and, and it's true. However, when you decide I can't pay for all this by myself. So I'm going to go out and I'm going to start getting people to help pay for this. Right. If you have nothing set up structurally, all that money comes in. And when uncle Sam says, where's that money going? They go, ⁓ it's going to Jason. So. Jason needs to pay taxes for this. Well, that's not fair to you. I mean, you're trying to do something good. And, and at the end of the day, you show all this additional income, even though you might be giving that all back out, buying uniforms, what it turns into an absolute tax nightmare. And so at the end of the day, you can set up a 501 C three and you, have to meet the qualifications, right? If you don't, they're not going to let you in. So if you do meet the qualifications, it's kind of like, you know, Bunting, a lot of people don't approve of it, but it works and it's a good thing to do and it works in the right situation. So if you meet the right qualifications and you're doing something out of the goodness of your heart, you deserve not to have to pay taxes on regular income for that money that's coming in. And then when you get into a lot of larger donations, the majority of people that are going to make good big donations or that are corporations themselves will not even look at you. unless you have your 501c3 information, all your tax information for that. When you go for all these grants that most of these, you know, especially if you're building an organization, most of them survive on are these grants. When you go to fill out that grant, if you don't have your 501 nonprofit information, you can't even click submit. So, you know, most of this stuff, is there some people that might do it for shady reasons? Sure. 100 % like anything else, there's always anomalies, but the most part, I think that most of these people are doing it for the right reasons and I feel comfortable that they are doing it. If I was to find out that somebody was trying to rip off the system, sure, I would hate them as much as anybody, but I don't think that a man or a woman should be punished for not just willingly taking massive tax implications on themselves for trying to start something for kids. Jason Corley: Can I ask you something? Skyler Watkins: And that's kind of my standpoint. Yeah, yeah, go ahead, Jason Corley: Okay, so do you think we could solve a lot of this by just renaming it then? Because just the name itself is a problem? Yes, saying that it's a... If the government would just rename it to some sort of a youth sports act or whatever or some tax break, it wouldn't have nearly the sting as the sting of just saying the words non-profit. Okay. Skyler Watkins: What's that nonprofit? Yeah, 100%, 100%. Right, right, right. Because most of your, I mean, most everything that is a nonprofit makes a profit, right? I mean, you think about, and we think about profit in different terms a lot of times than I get, and I'm not an accountant, so nobody take my accounting advice. All right, but my wife is, my wife's a CPA, but nobody... ⁓ Jacob Moreno: You Jason Corley: If you're interested in this, Skyler Watkins: There's not any nonprofits that are like, we're looking to lose all of our money. Most of them have a lot of money in the bank, most of the good ones, and they have employees that are getting paid. ⁓ And so a lot of that is profits. It's simply a ⁓ tax purpose that somebody that's doing something good, and when I say doing something good, mean providing this service for the kids or educational or religious or whatever it is. They are benefited by the tax break and that's clumped into that weird nonprofit title, but it's still a business. You know what I mean? At the end of the day. Jason Corley: Yeah. Yeah. Jacob, you have something. Go ahead. Jacob Moreno: Well, I was just gonna ask with that do you sometimes think you know people that do have that Step away from it and start thinking more about greed and see how much more money they could get I guess that's that's one of the bigger problems that I have because I mean I'm good with it I you know, I've told Jason. I mean it's there for a reason You know, just like everything else if it's there in At first people aren't gonna find it. But once they do they're gonna use that loophole. But sometimes I feel like sometimes people might take advantage of this because of the greed and start trying to get more money. Skyler Watkins: Yeah, ⁓ for sure. A thousand percent. But that's... Jason Corley: The do the same thing, just like you said. Skyler Watkins: Yeah, that's in every, in every business we'll ever find it. All most people start out with good intentions and by the end of it, they're like, how much money can we make off of this? I think that's, that's human nature. And that's, know, why money is the, is the, or the love of money is the root of all evil. You know, I mean, that's, that's where it ends up going to, because a lot of people think that it, and it's, ties perfectly into my battle between rec and travel sports, which is a great lead on, guess. But. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Skyler Watkins: But it is always, I just need a little bit more. This just isn't quite good enough. The grass is a little greener. I heard y'all say the other day, I don't remember if it was you Jason or you Jacob, but yeah, water your own grass. You know what I mean? And that's what I preach a lot, but that's a very tough concept for people to grasp. Myself included, I've been at fault. Jason Corley: Good feed. Good feed. Skyler Watkins: that a lot of times. But I think when the money side comes into it, it's, ⁓ you see, especially in youth sports, how willing mom and dad are to get baby boy or baby girl that chance to play at the next level and whatever you're selling buddy, they're buying. And so that's, ⁓ where it becomes so easy. And when people figure out how easy it is to make money off of that, look at the billion dollar complexes that are getting built now just for youth sports. when those guys who must be intelligent financially because you don't get billions of dollars by being stupid financially, when those guys say this is a good play, then it's obviously a pretty easy sell. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Jason Corley: Yeah. Yeah. Jacob Moreno: So is that why you think organizations start at a base price and then as they get older and bigger, they start charging more more and more and essentially pricing families out? Because I mean, by the time you get it, you can be in just paying for fees, what, three, 4,000 before anything. Skyler Watkins: ⁓ I think I mean yes and no I think a lot of people do it based off of every other model that they see You know, and so you're looking at and I'm not talking about sports specific. I'm talking about, you know dad who is in whatever car sales or website design or whatever has a baseball team or starts a baseball team with a group of buddies and goes well You know what in my business here in regular business? Here's what you do you get them in like this and then you sell them the extras and That's how it's done and that's how we make money. so unfortunately youth sports has, when it became a business had to take on by proxy the same business model as everybody else, because that's a successful business model. And why be in business if you're going to lose money, you know? And so that's kind of, I think what I've seen it do because I, I dabble in quite a few different businesses and invest in different stuff. I've looked at multiple different organizations, travel teams, whatever you want to call it, platforms online and seen different aspects of the business world and each one of them, you know, coming in, is, uh, Jason, now we're talking about that the other day in the hunting world. It's, really funny to see the parallels between this stuff. Jason Corley: Yeah. Why is it that ⁓ with your experience, why is it that the, you know, like what Jacob just said, you come in at nine you and it's, I don't know, we're just throwing a number out there. It's 1500 bucks for your kid to join a travel ball team at nine you. And by the time they get to 15 you ⁓ it's four grand and you're playing half of the games. You're playing half of the events. What is like, where did that imbalance come? when you would think that it should be cheaper and easier because the kids are older, the older they get to operate something, there's way less, is it because there's less teams back then? I mean, it's just the cats. I mean, there's just so many litters of cats at nine U, what is it? Skyler Watkins: off the top of my head, feel like it's kind of like gambling, you know, the closer you're getting to the money, the more you got to chase it. So parents are, you know, at 15 babies, a lot closer to getting to college ball than they is at nine. And so I got to add that extra money to get him in real quick, you know? And so I think that's, ⁓ your, your promises get a little stiffer. ⁓ a lot of times too, you see, and not always, but a lot of times when you get to that 14, 15 stage, Jacob Moreno: Thank Skyler Watkins: Now you've got the real coaches that are out there. So those guys are worth more money than some guy that's coaching a nine year old. And, and that real coach, you know, he, he might've played somewhere and he might, you know, have a friend of a friend that's friends with Jim Slossnagle. And by the end of the day, he's worth five grand because he might be able to send the text to Sloss for you, you know? And so, ⁓ I think that stuff gets in where you're really chasing that dream at the end and you're paying whatever it takes to get it, you know, Jason Corley: That is fascinating. Yeah, that is fascinating because that is a completely different angle than I would have never even remotely considered. And that is that you're right. Like if you're still in it by the time you're 14, 15, 16, you're in it and you're not backing out at that point. You know what mean? You've crossed that bridge of that. What is it that golden year, Jacob, that 13 to 14 year stage? Jacob Moreno: I guess I never thought of it like that. Yeah. 13 to 14 year. Jason Corley: where kids drop off and you've done committed. And so now all of a sudden these tournaments can be more expensive because you never know who might show up. And now it's legal to show up. Skyler Watkins: Yep. Yep. That's right. Jason Corley: ⁓ Let's talk real quick or not real quick, but the reason why we wanted to have you on is, is you've got a service that you provide. And I want to make sure I say this right. You've got a service you provide called ⁓ inside play ball coach, but it's well, it's not inside play ball coach, but it's play ball coach. And it is www.play-ball.coach.com. ⁓ Tell us about this. Tell us about your service. And please for the love of God, tell us what happened in your life that made you want to do this. Skyler Watkins: Yeah. Well, no. so that service is one month old. started that on March 1st. ⁓ yeah, this is my wife's idea. ⁓ so I'll try to make it quick, but a few years ago, when my, when my daughter was, I say a few years ago, when she was in T ball, right. She's 10 now. So when she was in T ball, ⁓ I was running a turkey hunt and I was going to miss her first game. Jacob Moreno: Mm-hmm. Jason Corley: Really? Okay. No. Skyler Watkins: Right. So I've got a guy sitting out in front of me and I'm yelping at birds and I got Facebook live on mute down below me watching it in the bushes. And, um, it just, it, you know, it was, it was chaos out there and being somebody that, that got to play, uh, myself for longer than a lot of guys get to play. I, it bugged me. Right. And I'm, uh, uh, my dad is retiring this year, but he's been a coach for 41 years. Um, and so I grew up as a. So my grandfather was an all American, both my dad and his brother were D1 athletes. And so I just grew up in this life of this is how you have to do stuff to be successful in sports. And so I'm watching and I tell my wife, can't do it. I'm going to let the guys run every other turkey hunt. I'm coming back and I'm helping those kids out. And so we did that for a while and we had a situation happen. I live in a very, very small town. looked up. Jacob Moreno: You Jason Corley: Yeah. Skyler Watkins: where you're at, Jason and y'all are like 4,500 people and I'm like 1,400 here in my town. So we're quite a bit smaller than y'all are. ⁓ and so you don't always have enough kids to make a team. Right. And so one year we had to move my daughter and some of the kids her age, when they were seven, we had to move them to 10U, which went from one year of coach pitch straight into kid pitch. And, it was a eye opener. Jason Corley: Okay. Yep. Yes. Skyler Watkins: for us. And so, ⁓ you know, most of the parents knew me from when I was younger and knew that I got to play for awhile. And, and so I decided I'm going to take this team and a buddy of mine, ⁓ Tyler came in and he's helped me out the whole time. And we said, don't know anything about softball, right? I never played softball, but, ⁓ can't be much different than baseball. And so I told him, said, look, we're going to. Jason Corley: Yes. Yeah. Skyler Watkins: We're going to teach these girls the IQ of the game. We're going to be the smartest group of seven year olds playing 10 U ball that we can be. And by the time this is done, my theory. Jason Corley: So forget the development of underhand versus overhand. You just wanted to go IQ. Skyler Watkins: Yes, yes. And so by the, told him, said, look, here's what our goal is. I couldn't care less about winning a $2 Amazon ring when they're eight years old. I don't, I don't care about it. I don't want to raise my daughter in a place that the varsity high school team loses every game that they play. I don't like that. I, I, I'm not somebody that says winning above everything, but I will argue till I'm blue in the face that winners are more successful in life than losers are. That's. Jason Corley: Thank you. There's nothing for kids to do than win. you want to keep this fun, that's how they have fun. Skyler Watkins: been my life story and I will stick to it. That's right. That's exactly right. That's right. so, and this is going to set people are going to like this. So you can clip this one and get a bunch of views off of hate, but, at the end of every game, the last thing I say is winning is, and they all say fun. And so, you know, I mean, we, we do that every time and our kids have bought into it, but Jacob Moreno: That is true. Jason Corley: You Skyler Watkins: ⁓ Anyways, I told Tyler, said, what we're going to do is by the time these girls are in high school, there's not going to be a question of where the play should be made, fundamentally what we should be doing, how we should react. There's not going to be a situation that these girls don't understand. They will be the smartest group of kids to ever go through our high school program when it comes to this. Now there was a lot of stuff we had to do softball wise, especially when it comes to pitching. All right. So I've through Instagram have made friends with some very good, you know, ⁓ softball people like Amanda Scarborough and those people like that. Morgan Stewart is fantastic. And so I've been fortunate enough to ask them some questions and them help us out on that. And so his daughter is our pitcher and ⁓ more work from his part than mine, but has really turned her into, she's an elite pitcher for a 10 year old kid now. Jacob Moreno: You Skyler Watkins: Right. We went from not being able to walk and chew gum to now from 35 feet, she's throwing 53 miles an hour and kids can't catch up to it. ⁓ and so, ⁓ anyways, in starting this, my wife originally, I'm not an Instagram guy, right? My wife originally said, yeah, my wife said, Hey, you should start. Parents had a lot of questions, right? What do we learn and how are we doing this? And my wife said, you should start just. Jason Corley: ⁓ you're freaking at it. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Jason Corley: Yeah. Yeah. Skyler Watkins: taking these questions and putting them on video. And then you can tell everybody, just go watch the video instead of asking me 17 times, right? So we. Jason Corley: You have it so personal when you answer it like that, doesn't it? Like, do you want to that? Yeah. Yeah. Skyler Watkins: Yeah. I said, okay, let's do that. So I did that. Well, come to find out thousands of people have the same questions that are nine parents had. and as that progressed, here recently, my wife says, ⁓ cause I've only had play ball coach for a year. And, and so, and when I say that, I mean the Instagram part. and so. Jason Corley: Okay. Yeah. Skyler Watkins: Last month, my wife, which I'm sure like y'all's wife follows all kinds of Instagram influencers that make sour dough and all kinds of stuff like, know, different stuff like that. And she's like, you should bake a, make something that people can come and just pick your brain for a price, but you just put it all in this deal. She, she explained it a lot better than I am, but I am kind of a computer nerd. So website building and AI and all that kind of stuff. I'm, I'm pretty good at. Jacob Moreno: Mm-hmm. Jason Corley: Yeah. Skyler Watkins: And so I sat down and I hammered it out. I was like, here's what's in my brain. I'm just going to make a rough copy of what's in my brain and throw it out there. And, ⁓ you know, we'll see what happens. And basically what I did was, I've posted some videos in the past of here's how much I get done in practice. Here's how, here's how we run a practice. Jason Corley: Yep. Skyler Watkins: Here's how many cuts we're gonna get into practice. Here's how we're doing our infield outfield. You shouldn't have kids stand in the line. You can get way more done in two hours than anybody thinks that you can. And then I would get all these people that like, this guy's full of crap. He's got 10 assistant coaches out there. There's no way he's doing that. He's lying. And I'm like, no, this is exactly what we do. And so I put those in there. Here's my practice plan, all the time intervals. Here's drills we do. Here's how you set up the drills. Here's how you execute the drills. And then here's my philosophy. And I built a manual. Here's how I install it. These are non-negotiables that we have. Here's what we're doing cutoff wise. Here's how we cover bonds. Here's all this kind of stuff. And in one month, 300 coaches have gone over there and signed up with it. Now we have these coaches meetings once a month and it's been really good. Sure, there's a bunch of negative stuff, but my whole goal was ⁓ from start to finish, I guess to, round it out was that there is a lot of people, great people who volunteer their time to come out and coach these kids and, don't really understand how to do it. And it's an intimidating situation, even in your own town to raise your hand and go, I don't know what I'm doing. And, and so with this, you can do it privately. Jason Corley: Yeah, because you live there. Yeah, you live there. You live amongst the people. And it's completely different. What I have seen from people that do that as well and also myself from when the boys were younger is is that you feel so inadequate, even though you're so qualified to lead ⁓ a group, a group of nine year olds, you're more than qualified to do it. But you feel so inadequate amongst your own town, your own people, because you feel like, man, if I make one wrong move, then I see Judy in the chip aisle. She is going to she's going to sideways. I mean, she's not going to say nothing. And it's the non saying of anything is the worst part of it. It's those that voice their opinions. Those are the ones you can deal with. It's the ones we don't see. So I get it. And I understand. And a lot of people are incredible, incredible leaders of men. But they they just they turn to shit when it becomes kids. ⁓ Skyler Watkins: Right, right. ⁓ there's a lot of stuff that, one of my biggest things that I've seen that happens in U sports is people neglect. or don't understand how quick and how fast kids can pick up on stuff. And so they get this idea that, because the kid's 10 years old, we can't put that much on their plate because they're only 10. And that's a bunch of BS, man. Those kids will pick up anything that you teach them correctly. And they will pick it up extremely fast. And so you don't have to stop. Jason Corley: Jacob and I have seen this when our boys were eight, nine years old and putting them with Scott on this quote unquote whatever, you guys can roll your eyes out, that's national team with Scott. ⁓ I would get the comments and the conversations that I would have back home from people that were just in wreck ball and thought that we were crazy for doing this were like, there's no way, there's no possible way that these boys. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Jason Corley: can develop and can absorb that much information to pull off that first and third play at nine years old. And then they would see it. And they'd be like, how was this? And I would tell them, I don't know. It's the way that he had the ability to break this down into simple terms. And the boys also, they practiced it and watched it, they just implemented it. They were visionaries. They could visualize it and see it happen. And then they were doing it. What Jacob? Jacob Moreno: I also think it was, I also think it went with the way practices were structured. Like there was, there was no, I mean, they got what 30 seconds of water, you know, I'm, might be exact. I might be exaggerating there, but it was, but it just seemed like, you know, the way Scott structured practice, everything just rolled, like just like throwing a ball down a hill and it just went and went. And then, I mean, by the time you know, Skyler Watkins: 100%. Jason Corley: Yes. And it sounds like a labor camp. Do you remember that video that I posted of the boys at indoor practice over the winter, our very first year? It went viral. I posted it on Twitter at the time. And Skylar, what it was was our coaches, well, we had what? Three age groups practicing at one time, two of the same and then one younger, right? So you had both ⁓ older, that's right. So it was the tens at the time and then our boys were eights going into nines and there were two teams. Jacob Moreno: Yeah, Yep. No, older. Jason Corley: So there were three actual groups of kids on the field. Skyler, we had four coaches running four machines, all ground balls at a hundred miles an hour going in different directions. And I posted this video and it got so, I literally thought I was going to get banned off of Twitter at the time because they thought, oh my God, there's going to be a kid get killed. And there was never, there wasn't, there wasn't even a past ball during that 40 minutes of intense nonstop training. Do you remember that video, Jacob? Jacob Moreno: simultaneously. Yes, I'm laughing because I'm trying to remember who the baseball guy was that commented on it. He reposted it. He goes, what the fuck is going on here? Jason Corley: Yeah. Right, right. And then you had other non, they weren't as influential as him saying, that's incredible. Like, where are you guys at? What are you guys doing? How are you doing this? But we had four coaches on four machines sitting on buckets. The kids never had a chance to stop and even think. It was just repetition, repetition, repetition, repetition. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Yep. Skyler Watkins: And that's exactly how you get better. went from the first year we had those kids, we didn't make it out of our tiny little district, right? We didn't make the playoffs. We play in a, it's called TTAB, Texas Teenage Baseball and Softball, right? For most people, it would be considered a rec organization. Now, I set up scrimmages with select or travel teams all the time and we... annihilate them. So rec league houseball, there's 4,000 different names and that's a whole nother point that just pisses me off, but whatever. But we didn't make it out of our district, but we continued doing what we're doing. Our second year in it. We finished eighth in the state out of 108 teams, um, and made the state tournament this year. We're going to be really good again. Um, and so, but to Jacob's point, Jason Corley: Sure. Skyler Watkins: I've got 10 year old girls into your point too, Jason, about how you break it down and teach it. I've got 10 year old girls that some of them really struggle with reading. But if I get out there and I go five, four, three, six, four, three, four, six, three, two, six tag, it's just nonstop. They just scoop it, throw it, scoop it. They know where they're going. They know what to do. If they catch a fly ball in the outfield, it's an automatic deduction. And my center filter is going to rip it back to two, even though we were going cut three. mean, they just, they pick it up. They know. turn glove side every single time. can watch them catch one off the side of their body and shift their feet to make sure that they're turning glove side. Cause I don't want to be called a ballerina. They just, you know, it's nonstop. They're, they're figuring it out. And so that's the same, ⁓ to your point, Jacob, that's why it works because in two hours, my goal and what I told Tyler at the time was here's how you progress. Here's how you develop. If, you want to call it that I've got to do. Jacob Moreno: I'm in. Skyler Watkins: in two hours what the coach who's beating us down the road does in two weeks. I've got to figure out how to do that. And if I can do that, then my kids are getting four times better every single time we practice than what his kids are getting. And so we're right on target with you. So when we come out with a bunch of 10 year old girls, and when I say 10 year old girls, some of them are eight. You know what mean? So that's just how it works. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Okay. Skyler Watkins: We'll come out and do our warmup, our throwing progression, then we go straight into it, infield-outfield drills, which is when you get all your five-four, three-six, four-three, or work your simple plays. Then we got cutoffs. Then, like Jacob said, our water breaks, we get two water breaks in a two-hour period, and they're two minutes a piece. You've got one minute between each drill to get there, and if you walk, God help everybody, right? We don't walk anywhere. It's a sprint everywhere we go. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Skyler Watkins: And, and then we've got situations and then, you know, it's just, it's nonstop work to where these kids, they don't have time to stop and think if they did something wrong. Our motto is max effort and we're going to give it everything we have and we're going to screw up going a hundred percent. And that's cool. If I, if a kid doesn't dive in practice, I lose my cool because why not? Nobody scores a run in practice. See how far you can take your body. And then in the game, it's easy, man. A routine play is a routine play, you know? And so that's where it has really helped us because you can actually get to the point where you get so good at the basics, you start working the intangibles that nobody else has even thought about yet. And those situations end up scoring tons of runs for you that you don't get on a regular basis. it just keeps going. Like you said, it's snowballs. And before you know it, you're looking at a bunch of 10 year old girls who Come over to play in the pool and they're a bunch of dorky kids, but when you put them on a diamond, it's watch out. ⁓ So that's. Yeah. And so when people see that on Instagram, they're like, time out. I know that our coach said that, you know, you're crazy and that this is stupid, but I'm so and so's mom from Idaho. And I would sure like to figure out how we can do that at our program. Okay. Well, here you go. You can go. Jacob Moreno: you Yeah, they're killers. ready to go out there and dominate. Skyler Watkins: join our membership and I'll talk to you once a month on a zoom call, but you can have whatever's in my brain on there anytime you want. And we've been really good about, I try to be very good about if somebody writes me, I take the time to stop and write them back. they're, you know, if they're a member, if they're not a member, I try my best, but you know, let's be real honest. If, if, if I answered every single question that came in every night, I would have no life, but, but if they're a member, I answer it. Jason Corley: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you, if you answer everybody that's not a member, then what's the point of offering the service and offering your, the, experience that you have, is this a way, um, do you feel, I just literally thought of this as you're talking about this, is this how you were coached or do you feel like you have adapted different? Because what I'm hearing Jacob is, that, is that this, this 2026 age of The kids are too soft. They can't be coached. The kids are too soft. They can't be coached that hard. You got to approach them differently. I'm hearing 1994 Texas A &M is what I'm hearing in this and that nothing has changed since 94. Jacob Moreno: Yep. Well, I'm hearing when I was coached. mean, my coach was always, know, like, you know what I mean? Just like, but I mean, it's not saying you're yelling or anything, but you're hard on them. You know, there's accountability where I think, I think that's what's been missed out. Like Jason said, parents, you know, they don't want you to coach their kid too hard. You know, their feelings get hurt or whatnot. And now I see in like coaches, not just you, but other guys that are like, Jason Corley: And it's success. Skyler Watkins: 100%. Jacob Moreno: No, these guys can be coached. can throw a whole book at them and they'll read it in one day. Like, let's do it. Skyler Watkins: Yeah. Well, a lot of people don't understand, which has been great. And I had a, I had a, uh, a football coach when I was in high school and my freshman year, they moved me up to play quarterback on the varsity and, and this guy was scary. He was a scary man. His name was Ray Dowdy. He played on the 68 or 67 national championship team at UT. And he was a super scary individual and would. just completely undress you if you messed up out there. But one thing that we all knew was that nobody else was going to treat us bad because he had our back 1000%. And I always thought that that was something that meant a lot to me because I know that this guy doesn't, he's not doing this to me because he dislikes me or he doesn't want to be here. He's doing this because he sees some potential in me and I can buy into that. Right. And I, and I was, you know, I was, I was raised in the late eighties, early nineties too. And my dad is, was a division one athlete and a hard notes coach till this day. And so I didn't get away with anything either. And if we got out of line, we got whipped for it. And so I understand that version of life. ⁓ but with these girls that I have now, and I work with boys also, but my daughter's on one team that I particularly coach and, and, ⁓ spend a lot of time with. And so with them, I understood, um, I've got to get everything I can get out of them. And I have to, I have to speak with, and I don't, I'm not out there dog cussing them or anything like that, but I have to speak with them and speak to them as if they should understand what I'm talking about. And they are going to do what my standard is because if not, we're, they're not going to have fun. but you're going to do what the standard is and we're going to do it over and over and over again until you understand that's the standard and we're not going to get away with it. However, they're also going to understand that nobody loves them more than I do. there is a, there is a line that I talk about a lot with, with new coaches that are coming and asking for, for advice. And that is be extremely hard on them, but love them just a little bit more than you are hard on them. And then you never lose that because the worst thing a coach can do is lose the trust of a kid. Once you do, it's done. As soon as you lose the trust of a kid, you're finished with that kid. And there's not really any walking it back because when you go home, and I think about this all the time, when my kids go home, there's always going to be a mom or a dad that puts a little bit of doubt in their mind from a standpoint of, Jacob Moreno: Yep. Jason Corley: harder. 100 % Skyler Watkins: you should be playing more or was coach right, wrong or right in that situation, whatever it is. I need my kids and I'm not saying I need my kids to trust me more than they trust their parents, but I need my kids to know that no matter who says it, even if it's mom or dad, that they're going, you know what, maybe, but coach sure, coach sure doesn't seem like that. know, he's helping me out while I'm out there. He's patting me on the back when I do something good. Sure, he chewed me out when I messed up today. Jacob Moreno: Thank Skyler Watkins: But also nobody saw him come up and give me a hug or high five or tell me how great that was or how much he appreciated my hustle for the day. So as long as I keep that trust, I can continue to develop that kid. And that's a very fine line you have to walk. And that's probably one of the most important parts about being a coach, especially at an impressionable youth age that I think a lot of people miss out on because today I see ⁓ travel a lot, coaching a lot of ball. And I see a lot of like complete separation, you know, two sides of the aisle. Either you got a coach that's an absolute prick for all day long, or you got a coach that is playing soft parenting 101 and it just, it doesn't fit. But if you can find that mesh point, I think you, you create some monsters out there and that's really fun to watch. Jacob Moreno: . Jason Corley: What do you say to hold on a second Jacob, what do you see? this, don't know. This might tie into what you're saying, but what do you say to, ⁓ to those that say, you know, my travel, I don't expect my travel ball coach to do, you know, to do my parenting for me. And they say that in the realm of, I don't need them to be nice. I don't need them to be, you know, to, ⁓ to, to worry about the kids, seeing them off the field or at the, at the hotel library. What do you say to those parents that, Jacob Moreno: Ew. Jason Corley: that don't view the coach as an instrumental part of, because for me and my kids, my kids think our coach walks on water. if, I can tell you right now that if my coach, if my son's coach told him to do something and I told him to do the opposite, he'd have a real hard time trying to figure out which alley to go down. Does that make sense? Where a lot of kids are just preached, nope, that is just baseball. Skyler Watkins: Right. ⁓ for sure. Jason Corley: You don't listen to anything else that man says besides baseball. You know, I mean, we'll take care of raising the character in you. Skyler Watkins: Yeah. Well, first and foremost, ⁓ 93 % of kids will never play in college. Right. And 99.04 % of kids will never make it to the pros. My job is to there. There's, there's, there's a 99.9 % chance that nobody in my town ever plays professional ball, whether it's softball or baseball. But there is a 100 % chance, God willing, that they become a dad or a mom, a husband or a wife, they become an employee or an employer. ⁓ And they must understand how to do things the right way to be successful members of society when they get out. So I am parenting out there. If you don't like that, my job as a leader is to build a team that is a family. And that's my job to where everybody holds each other accountable. And when they step on the field, they're mine. They're not yours anymore for that time period. And if you don't like that and you don't like the team atmosphere where I'm the leader in that point, you should probably play tennis or golf, you know, because that's an individual thing or go run track or do whatever you want to do. Don't put your kid with me, but I can say that if your kid is with me, you would be very hard pressed to say by the end of their time with me that they're not a better athlete and doing better at home. Our first thing that we go through every day is who made their bed this morning. You won't come into my house and see that my kids didn't make their bed because winning is important to me and the first win that any human can have every day of the week is to get up and make their bed. Why not? Why would you leave something undone like that and then decide that later on in the day you want to start winning? Piss on that, man. You had a great opportunity to get your first win when your feet hit the floor. ⁓ And the biggest point of that is that, I can't, I don't want to say counsel, I'm not a counselor. I mentor a lot of kids whose parents want me to talk to their kid about different situations and we have monthly talks with those kids. And that's step one for that. And I tell them, look, you're going to lose every day too, right? All of us do. You're going to get hit in the mouth with adversity every single day of the week. It's impossible to escape that. Jason Corley: You see that. ⁓ Skyler Watkins: If you're not, you're a loser. You're a couch potato. You're not doing anything. If that happens. However, if you get up every morning and you make your bed, if you get your butt kicked all day at school and you come home and you go to get in bed and it's perfectly made light bulb goes off. I'm still, I still want something today. I'm still a winner, you know? And so for me, to your, to your point, if you don't want that as a parent, don't put your kid with me. Cause they're getting that right. And, and, and I, and I think if we, if we do a better job as a whole, Jacob Moreno: Alright. Skyler Watkins: of youth coaches producing that, not only do we see better kids, I bet you we see a lot better play when it comes to the athletes we produce later on down the road. Jason Corley: Jacob. Jacob Moreno: I do. got a question. you know, you said you're a tough coach. Not necessarily tough. You have expectations. If you want your athletes to meet, you ever had a parent walk up to you and say, Hey, you know, you're kind of being too hard or, you know, I think, you know, sometimes it might be out of line. If it ever come up to you and ask you, or I tried to talk to you. Skyler Watkins: Not to my, not to my face. Yeah, not, not to my face. I've never, I've never had it happen. ⁓ have had it happen behind my back and group me chats or whatever that is. I'm, I'm, dude, I'm super easy to talk to. I'm never going to like try to fight somebody over a little league game. mean, that's, that's not my personality. ⁓ and, and I don't think that it's important. And I've seen some, some. I won't say good fights because they weren't good fights, but I've seen some fights go down over little league sports. ⁓ but, ⁓ no, for the most part, the proofs in the pudding, right? So I could see that side of it, Jacob, if, if I did what I did. And at the end of the day, our kids still sucked. I could see that. I could see that coming out, but when mom or dad. Jacob Moreno: You Yeah. Skyler Watkins: watches me be the way I am out there on the field and then watches baby who last year couldn't hit the broadside of a barn with a bat, stroke one down the third base line and get a triple out of it. She goes, okay, well he's a jerk, but maybe he's right. And so it ends up working itself out. Jason Corley: Yeah. Hey, go ahead, Jacob. Sorry. Jacob Moreno: I do have a- How do you, mean, so going off of that, how do you end a conversation with a parent that walks up to you and says, hey, I know my kid's been working with you, getting better, but still not playing enough? Skyler Watkins: Yeah, that happens a lot. ⁓ And so we try our best and we have rules in our league that requires each kid to play one inning in the field and get one at bat. So everybody's going to get that. And it's tough sometimes. This is going to sound very egotistical, but in softball, if you're up by 15 after the third inning, the game's over. So I got three innings a lot of times to get everybody on the field and I've got 13 girls on a team, which that that makes it rough. Right. But, ⁓ I don't, I don't do a lot of parent talking. I have a sheet that I send out prior to our parent meeting. ⁓ told Jason yesterday, I, I like structure and I like organization. So I make a sheet that's pretty harsh before the season starts. And I send that out to every parent. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Skyler Watkins: And it is basically one of the parts on there says, me and you will not discuss playing time or what position your kid's playing. If your kid... Jason Corley: I'm so sick of this shit from you coaches. Why? That is such an easy way out. Like, no, tell me what the problem is. Skyler Watkins: Well, it's. My, my, my deal is that going back to creating these kids to, do stuff on their own. Right. I have to have these kids in a position that when, when, when somebody ropes one to the gap and right center, and we got to make a play, daddy can't tell you where to throw the ball. You got to make that play on your own. And so when, when, when it comes to playing time, I need a kid to come to me. Jacob Moreno: Okay. Skyler Watkins: and say, and I am very nice about this, by the way, when it happens, I need them to come to me and say, coach, I know I'm in left field right now, but I really want to play third base. Fantastic. Let's do it. Or I'm in left field, but, but I want, I want more playing time. Okay. How do we get more playing time? Because this is where the teaching moments happen. I don't need to, I don't need to teach Jason. He's 50 years old. He's not going to play anymore. He's got no swings left. Right. So I need to teach his son. when he, yeah, maybe he does men's church softball league. He probably still cranking on, you know what I mean? Jason Corley: You I took a 12 year old deep last week. I'm not gonna lie to you. Skyler Watkins: I hear you. But so when they, when they come up, that's our time to, that's our time to teach. Okay. So let's look at it from a realistic standpoint. Right now player A is, you know, whatever every week he's two for four, three for four from the plate hadn't missed a fly ball yet. Okay. When we go to practice, he's stroking them in the gaps. He's, he's, doesn't need a cut off because he's zipping it in there to second base without a cut. Where do you see yourself at right now? Okay. Well coach, every time I've batted, you know, well they walked me or I didn't get the other day. Okay. But where do you see yourself? If you put, I want you to put yourself in my shoes right now. Right. Because the goal. In the game and I don't care what anybody says and I've got friends online that disagree with me a hundred percent. But if I'm going to bust my butt at practice all week and then I go play in a game, the goal is to win the game. That's why they have a scoreboard up there. If they didn't care about who won, they wouldn't put a scoreboard up there. So you tell me if you're coach and I'm player now, who's gets more playing time? Okay. Well, the one that's going three for four. Okay. So how do you do that? Well, I guess I got to go four for four bingo. Let's go do that. You know, and so. Jason Corley: 100. Jacob Moreno: Mm-hmm. Jason Corley: Go get it! Go get it! Skyler Watkins: Let's create that competition. It's not a, and I explained this in my parents letter and everything is that if you want a coach that's going to give your kids stuff for free, I'm not that guy. But if you want to see your kid go out there and compete and work for it, then I am that guy. And there are a lot of times, one of the most viral videos that we've had on, on, Instagram is one about if your, ⁓ Jason Corley: Yes. Skyler Watkins: What do you do with a kid who's working their butt off doing everything right, but still isn't as good? Well, that's a tough situation to be in as a coach and a parent. But on the same token, there is a lesson to learn from every single thing you do. So if I can continue pushing that kid, then what mom doesn't see right now, but I do see because I went there, is that When that kid goes off to college and leaves mom and dad and adversity smacks them in the mouth, they've got something to fall back on. They can go, yeah, I remember fighting my butt off and doing everything right and it didn't work. And you know what? Now I'm here and it's okay because I can push through this too. Just like I pushed through that. It wasn't the end of the world when I didn't get the starting spot on the team that I thought that I deserved and that my mom told me I deserved. I still have the ability to do it. And those kids, a lot of times I had this conversation with the mom and explained to her, Jason Corley: are tougher than the kids that never had? Yes, it just came. Yes. Skyler Watkins: 100%. 100%. I told this mom, said, you know who ends up being doctors and lawyers and millionaires? It's not the kids that were naturally good at all that. It's the kids that busted their butt to compete with those kids and try to stay ahead of them the whole time. Those kids understand how to fight. And here's the reality. Your kid has a 0.04 % chance of getting paid to play this game. They got a 100 % chance of getting paid to play something else. Jason Corley: in that drive. Right. Skyler Watkins: or do something else. So why not build that in them? You know, if you don't like that part, then I'm not your guy, you know? Jason Corley: That is so good you guys and also too you got it from the coaches perspective too you also can't penalize the kid that just is better at this time like Jacob Moreno: here. Skyler Watkins: 1000%, 1000%. That's one of my biggest deals and it's not just that kid. It's the other eight on the field. Right. And so I've had this tough conversation before too, when you're not being fair to my kid and my, my response is always, so do I not be fair to the other eight on the field to be fair to your kid? Is this an individual sport or is this a team sport? Jason Corley: You're right! Right. for me. Jacob Moreno: ⁓ huh Skyler Watkins: ⁓ and so, I understand, I listen guys, I've got my oldest daughter is an athlete. She can play. My youngest daughter is not, she's, she's, she's not. Athletically inclined by any means. And my youngest daughter, she will work at it. She's going to be the kid that will, you know, I've got a, I'm staring at my batting cage out here right now. She'll go out there with her older sister and she'll hit off the tee every day and she looks great doing it, but she's just not coordinated. Jason Corley: you Skyler Watkins: The time's going to come where somebody's going to start over her and she's going to be a kid that works her butt off and doesn't get the starting spot. I understand that. People always like to tell me, well, you don't understand. No, I do understand. But I also understand that that little one's going to run a company one day and be very well off. And I'm good with that. I'm perfectly cool with that. And so ⁓ it's a tough lesson and it does break your heart. There's no doubt about it. Jason Corley: Yeah. Skyler Watkins: I've sat in tears before too wanting something great to happen for my kid and watch it, watch it fail. I understand that I'm a dad. I'm a parent just like everybody else is, but I also know the same, the same stuff that crushed me when I was a kid that made me better. Now I understand that the reward at the end is far better than the reward right now. ⁓ and so that's, that's how I try to talk to parents and I'm very blunt and sometimes it doesn't go over well, but. just feel like honesty is the best. Jason Corley: You have a really good way of delivering it though. Like God gave you this gift to be able to be blunt, but deliver it in a way that is compassionate, but instructional. And I don't know if that makes any sense to you ⁓ because it's you, but for everybody that's listening and watching, they're gonna get what I'm saying here. Like you have this ability, God gave you this ability to deliver that message in a way that is not offense. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Jason Corley: Nothing that you just said offended me, even though I have a kid. have a little one who, yes, the older one is more talented, but the little ones, the little ones got him blown out of the park when it comes to creativity and imagine. You know what mean? So there's two completely different. And you have that ability to be able to explain that and dumb it down for us to where I don't take offense to that. It's just, know what? You're right. I'm going to leave this podcast and I'm going to go love on Brooks a whole lot more because I can't wait to see what that kid's going to do with his life. Skyler Watkins: Right. And a lot of parents too, man, they get in this clout chasing mode where since everybody else's kid is playing, then my kid has to play too. So they get the kid in there and then the kid doesn't play as much. So now why isn't my kid playing as much as this kid? And I understand that, but at the same time, you look at the kid and you go, this kid's fantastic at art. Jason Corley: Hmm Skyler Watkins: But nobody thinks that's cool so the parents don't put any time in the art. Well, why not? You want your kid to be an all-star and he's an all-star at art. Why are we not focusing more on that? Why are we trying to force this other thing on them and then getting upset because they're not interested enough or they're not good enough or whatever that is. You know what I mean? Now, I'm not saying that kids shouldn't play by all means play, but Jason Corley: Right. ⁓ How many kids are having pageants and having make-believe, you know, movies in their backyard that nothing ever gets glorified when it comes to that. But the second, the second that we hit that double in the gap, it's going all over Facebook with grandma. Jacob, go ahead. I know you're, I know you're itching to ask him something. Skyler Watkins: 100%. 100%. Jacob Moreno: No, so you were talking about, you know, the kids that you said, you know, you got one that went three for four, the other one, you know, has to go four for four. And when that kid goes back and talks to the parent, how does a parent support that child without adding any more pressure to them? Because I mean, that is a big pressure, three for four or four for four. That's, you know, going four for four is almost a perfect, I mean, it is perfect. for at bats in the game. Skyler Watkins: Right, right. And obviously, you know, those are just numbers off the top of my head. But at the, at the same time, I think you, make a very good point and it is tough. It is tough for parents in that position. ⁓ a lot of times, let's be honest, a lot of times it's not really close between the two. ⁓ a lot of times it's, it's very understood who the better person in that position is. If it is close. Yeah. If it is close, ⁓ Jacob Moreno: No, I know. Yeah. Yeah, the writing's on the wall. Skyler Watkins: For me, I'll rotate them in and out, you know, and give them that game time opportunity to produce. And if they are producing in the game, then by all means, I mean, my job as a coach is to put the team in the best opportunity to win. That's my job. And I don't care if, you know, people love to tell me it's you sports, you're taking it too seriously. Let me say this point real quick for everybody that's watching this and listening. If the kids in youth sports are taking it serious, if it's do or die for the kids and I'm not willing to do that, then I'm a fake. And that's, that's the truth behind it. Because if a kid is willing to go through my practices and bust their butt doing everything I say and take my standards to heart, and then I look at it as it's just you sports, it's not that big of a deal. Then I've done it to service to the kids. Okay. Now. Jason Corley: Yes. Skyler Watkins: If I don't force them to hold any standards and I go out there and run practice like a circus and say it's recess at elementary school, then sure, it is all fun and games and I don't care who plays what position and we just, we just all have a blast. But in my style of coaching, I can not say that it's not serious because my kids are taking it seriously. And so to your point, Jacob, when it comes down to that parent, It's a tough spot for me. I have to do a good enough job explaining to the parents, just as I do with the kids, of adversity and working and what this benefit might be ⁓ to hopefully get them in the same train of thought that I'm on in that process. And if I don't ⁓ and they still go the other way with it, then that's between them and their kid. Jacob Moreno: That's on the... Yep. Skyler Watkins: don't have any right to tell somebody how to parent. I just tell them, this is how I coach and this is the line we're going in. And if they jump on board with that, great. If they don't, they're probably not going to be excited about playing next year. And if you don't want to play, then you shouldn't play, you know? And so that's, that's kind of how I feel about that. You can't, you know, I don't walk on water, can't save them all. That's just, that's, that's how it works. You know what I mean? Jacob Moreno: You Jason Corley: Yeah. Yeah. Hey, ⁓ you said earlier that you had, I don't know, after you launched it, you had roughly a little over 300 coaches that signed up for your program. ⁓ what do you, are you seeing, are you seeing more travel or you seeing more rec coaches come in and, and, and ask for help or is it a mixture? mean, I know it's okay. Skyler Watkins: It's, it's, it's split. It's split right down the line, man. But, but the funny part of that is, is that the travel coaches don't. They don't, they don't want anybody to know. You know what mean? That's that. That's the, that's the funny part of it, which, which it, it, yeah, it's, it's all, it's all fun to me at that. Nobody will ever convince me, um, because, because it's. Jason Corley: They don't want anybody else to know. Jacob Moreno: Hehehehehe Jason Corley: Yeah, they're using it realness. Yeah. Skyler Watkins: It's so watered down, right? I mean, there, there are teams like y'all's teams that are playing at a national level and those kids are, are probably the best of the best. ⁓ but when it, when it comes down to like, I don't know if y'all ever heard of NCS tournaments. Okay. So NCS now, if you go on NCS, they have all the way down to, C plus rec as a, as a classification. So. Jason Corley: Yeah. Yeah. You Jacob Moreno: ⁓ huh ⁓ Skyler Watkins: You know, I mean, and we've played those teams before. Jason Corley: Hey, banners for every winner. Skyler Watkins: Yeah, yeah, and I mean, it's, it's, ⁓ I don't, I don't get into that kind of stuff. I've, I've played with guys and, and no guys that are in, ⁓ tiny towns that nobody have ever heard of in their life that spent their life chunking rocks at squirrels and trees and skipping rocks on the river. And I know I can count four guys off the top of my head that lived in towns like that, that made the bigs and signed contracts. there was no such thing as that. didn't hear of it. mean, they would have had to travel two hours one way to make a prayer. They didn't play travel ball and they also played in division one a schools, which in Texas is the smallest you can have, you know? And so, ⁓ there is some, some merit to, the stuff that coach being was talking about and being up there and getting the recruiting and getting seen and stuff like that. There's also merit to what Mike was talking about, about if you're good enough, somebody's going to find you. ⁓ and so for me, I think that, I don't look at it as travel ball versus rec ball. I just look at it as tournament ball versus league ball. That's, that's all I look at it as is that some kids play, you know, five games in a weekend. Other kids play one, two games a week. ⁓ and so that's, that's how it works. Now I know that in bigger towns, there are like, real YMCA type rec leagues where it's just roll the ball out and have fun at PE. And I know in towns like mine where it's considered rec ball, but every girl that's in school from the fourth and fifth grade is on my team. So we got what we got. some of them, you know, every week that we play, this is, this is what's funny to me, especially in the travel world, right? Because there's like the recruiting part of travel, I think is funny because everybody thinks of it as like, Jacob Moreno: you Skyler Watkins: college recruiting. It's really, it's really little league recruiting is what it is because everywhere we go and play everybody on the other team is like, where's your pitcher play at? Where's your second baseman play at? did, you know, have they, have you thought about them playing on our travel team? Like, yeah, man, ⁓ these kids play sandlot ball with me every day in the summer. They've got just as good a shot to go to college as you, as your kid does. and. Jason Corley: Right. Skyler Watkins: don't charge them anything. It costs them a hundred bucks to play in the league and they're, they're pretty dang good. ⁓ it's, that stuff gets funny to me, but. Jacob Moreno: Whatever. So, so when you saying that, are you, not, I don't know, I don't understand, but are you opposed of travel then? Or are you just? Jason Corley: Go ahead, Jigga. Skyler Watkins: Not at all, man. Not at all. Not at all. think it's great. ⁓ think it's a super cool experience. No, we're actually going to... Jacob Moreno: Okay. but you just don't push it on your players. Skyler Watkins: This next season, so after this spring season's over, ⁓ we played in a fall league last year that ⁓ super appreciative of them putting it together, but it just didn't benefit my kids any. And so after this season is over, we will create a travel team. ⁓ Matter of fact, I already signed whatever paperwork I had to sign and got the insurance and all that kind of stuff. just so that my kids can go play some better competition in some of these tournaments around here. ⁓ So I'm not opposed to it at all. And I think from a financial standpoint, like how cool is it for those kids, right? I mean, if my parents had the money back in the day and I would have got to go stay in hotels and play at these big tournaments and see stuff like that, man, heck yeah, that's awesome. Like I have no problem with it at all. The problem that I... I have two problems with it. One, I have a problem with the ideology that your kid is superior because they play travel ball and my kid's not because they don't because honestly, I would say step in the box and let my picture throw it to you we'll see how great travel ball is. You know what I mean? Because you're gonna have a very tough time. And then the second problem I have is what we talked about right when we got on is how much money parents throw at it with Jason Corley: I agree. I agree. Skyler Watkins: the intention of getting their kid a scholarship because I think that that puts entirely too much pressure on a kid. ⁓ Jason Corley: And they know these kids know these kids feel that pressure. can. Somebody can tell you to the blue in the face that no, you know, we put no pressure on our kid. He's allowed to go over for bullshit like the kids know if it's a financial burden at the dinner table, they know they know. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. You Skyler Watkins: Yep. A hundred percent. When, when dad says you could have struck out with a $50 bet instead of a $500 bet that, that, mean, it is funny to us, man. mean, and it should be funny to the kids too, but they're not there mentally yet. Yeah. Yeah. They don't understand that mentally yet. And so they get to the point of thinking. My parents just spent, and I don't even know what it costs. I heard Jacob say at one point, like 20 something thousand dollars for, for a year for. Jacob Moreno: You Skyler Watkins: total, you know what I mean? For a kid to play and travel and all this kind of stuff, which is that's Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Jason Corley: Yeah, I mean, it's ballpark for like if you like if you took a bus, if you had to budget out for the year in order to do our schedule on the road with hotels and fees and everything, it's about 20 to $25,000. Skyler Watkins: Yeah, which is like insane to me that that would happen. But like I said just a minute ago, if parents can do that financially, mean, I've got guys all the time that spend that on a hunt. You know what I mean? So if it's in your budget to do that, have a blast. You know what I mean? Now, what you do have to understand is you can't spend that money. Jason Corley: Upset. Jacob Moreno: You Skyler Watkins: expecting a return on your investment because your kid is not an investment of you, nor is your kid. Jason Corley: No different than No different than hunting. You can't come in expecting to kill. Skyler Watkins: Right. And you should not spend money with the expectation that I'm going to get a return on this one day. That's crazy to me. you're going to spend that money, it should be that I'm spending my money on these memories. And if that's the case, man, I support you a thousand percent on that. Jason Corley: It has to be for Jacob Moreno: That's the way I look at it, man. I mean, we've had this conversation plenty of times with the memories I've had with my son being on the road, even with Jason memories we've had together. Like, I think that's why we do it. Jason Corley: Yeah, my best relationships have come from this game and on the road. My deepest connections with other human beings have come from this game. don't, yes, I mean, yes, I understand it looks absolutely asinine to the guy next door. I get it, I understand, but there's, guess what? I don't do drugs and I don't drink and I don't do a lot of other things because we love this with our family. This is just what we do. It's, don't even. Jacob Moreno: Yep. Jason Corley: I don't know what else we would do if we didn't do this, Skyler. Like, I don't even know what it looks like because we're so in love with this life that we've chosen. And we choose this. We're not puppets. Like, nobody's forcing us to do this. We're choosing to do this. We enjoy it. And some of the greatest relationships I've ever formed in my life have come through this game. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Skyler Watkins: Right. And, people have a tough time seeing that. And what's funny to me too is, and like I said, you got to be on that side of it. If you're not, then I don't agree with you. But if you are on that side of it, I watched grown men spend thousands a year to collect animal mounts. I watched grown men spend thousands a year to collect classic cars or, or baseball trading cards or Pokemon, whatever it is. At the end of the day, everybody's collecting memories. They're collecting something that's fun for them to do. And if that happens to be that, that you decide that instead of going hiking with your family, you're going to go spend a weekend at a tournament or instead of going on the beach, you're going to go to the tournament. If that's where you have your fun at, nobody has any right to tell you that that's stupid to do. You know what I mean? Because I mean, I think laying on the beach is stupid, but I'm not going out there telling people that. Jacob Moreno: Yeah, I'm right there with you. Jason Corley: Amen. ⁓ Amen. What are some of the fixes that you hope to help coaches ⁓ accomplish through your website? What are the problems you're hoping to help solve? Skyler Watkins: Education. think that's first and foremost. ⁓ I would like to see, ⁓ Teams make it to the high school rank, ⁓ because I don't know, I'm sure y'all saw that video I posted yesterday about the freshmen starting over a senior and my God, did that piss off a bunch of people? ⁓ it had like 150,000 views and 12 hours or something like that. ⁓ but it was a very, Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Nice way to rub it in. Skyler Watkins: Very 50-50 split on that. in Texas, ⁓ I was listening to y'all's conversation the other day about is high school ball important or not, right? And so in Texas, it is. Texas is super passionate about high school sports. It's our biggest generator of fandom and funding and the whole nine yards. And so... ⁓ It's, it's embarrassing for teams to be the town that constant, I mean, it's very representative of your community. So when you're the team that is constantly losing at the high school level, you are the armpit or the laughing stock of the area. And so for me, a lot of that. Jason Corley: Okay. Say that in the back, please. Skyler Watkins: Yeah, a lot of that starts at the youth levels. And so I, and I've coached high school sports also, and my dad has for 40 something years. A lot of that, um, comes from you get uneducated kids with no youth program until they get to junior high. And at junior high, you get a coach that with a kid that's 13, 14 years old. has to start talking to them like they're a T baller because they don't understand any facet of the game other than run hard, turn left and try to hit dingers because that's what they saw online. And so my goal is let's take these volunteers that are humble enough to want to learn and let's educate them. so that in the way my program works, works in stages from T-ball through 12U is what I have on there right now. ⁓ Jacob Moreno: Yeah, I got it pulled up and I was looking at that, you have it broke down. Skyler Watkins: Yeah, and let's get it to where as these kids progress, when a junior high coach gets them, they're getting an IQ baseball or softball kid, they're getting somebody that's intelligent. And if they have more knowledge as a junior high or high school coach than what the volunteer coaches got from my program, fantastic. Now we can add that on there. But let's not turn them into a tee ball coach when they're supposed to be earning a salary to win. Right? And so, and that's what happens because you think moms and dads get mad at the youth level come to a Texas junior high or high school any sport game. Right? And those guys are, that's their career. And, and when they don't win, they get the for sale sign in the front yard and everybody in town bad mouths them. So we, we. We want to bring all these people in. We want these guys to coach our kids. We give them a group of undeveloped children and then say, go win. And that's tough to that's a tough ask. ⁓ and so that's kind of my plan with the program is let's get it to a stage that we're, we're producing kids for junior high and high school coaches that are educated enough to come in and, and, and play the game at a higher level. Jason Corley: And you're doing, you're doing weekly or did you say weekly or monthly zoom calls with the coaches? Skyler Watkins: monthly zoom calls with the coaches. ⁓ And so, you know, our first, our first zoom call, had one coach. We had one coach in our first zoom call. Great guy out of Georgia. The guy was, and this is what's funny to me sometimes. This is a guy that played minor league ball. Okay. So he has a, a ⁓ good Jason Corley: Okay. Okay. Jacob Moreno: ⁓ Jason Corley: He humbled himself and asked for help. ⁓ Skyler Watkins: 100%. He has a good knowledge of the game. Yeah. He understood the game. He sat on his bar stool at the bar in his house. And he and I talked for over an hour about how to deal with the same situations that a bunch of the questions that Jacob just asked. Because what people don't understand is, and he and I laughed about it. Once you get to college or once you get to Indie ball or the minor leagues or whatever it is that those of us that were fortunate enough to make it that far, doesn't, you're a number. It doesn't matter. Coach isn't going to, know, our skip never batted an eye about if he liked you or not. You can be friends outside of that. You can text each other on wedding days or anniversary or whatever it is, but by God, when it's time to play. I'm talking to you like you work for me and you're either getting the job done or you're fired. That's it. And so this guy, when he came in and spoke to me, it was fantastic because that's the last level of ball that he had. And now he's having to deal with parents that are like, my baby is the best that's ever lived and you're not playing them enough. You know what I mean? And so he's like, I don't know how to handle this. know? And so, ⁓ now this next go round, I'm sure we're going to have quite a few more because a bunch of people rode in and we're like, Can you please give me the link and all this kind of stuff? And so, ⁓ it'll, it'll probably get better, but no, that's what the, that's what the basis of all of it is, is, is if you're able to humble yourself and I do it too, right? I'm not, I'm not going in there to these meetings to play president Trump and tell everybody how to coach their team. I, I, a hundred percent, I have learned, ⁓ matter of fact, Jason Corley: Right. You wanna pick green. Skyler Watkins: when we had the first coaches meeting that guy, you know, this is going to be my first go round with this girls going and playing on this, whatever travel thing. And so that guy was telling me how they handled their tryouts. And in my mind, I'm thinking a tryout is like every other little league tryout that I've seen. And he's like, well, the way we do it is we have two weeks of open practice so that we can see them in practice wise. And then we can see them scrimmage wise. And then we go from there. And I'm like light bulb. Jason Corley: They have no idea they're trying out. Skyler Watkins: Great idea! Right, exactly. And so I'm like, okay, that's something I learned new today and I can take that and put it there. And so ⁓ that's, I think that's where the benefit is, right? Because networking and being humble enough to appreciate education and not thinking, you know, everything is the only way that you can get better. Right. And so I, Jason Corley: Well, Skylar, it's a lot like, you know, sitting, sitting in camp at your ranch. And, know, you think that you've got this thing pinned down. Like there's been a lot of successful hunters come through camp and then you get that old timer that comes into camp and he sits down at that fire at night and he starts telling stories and you're just, just little nuggets, just little gold nuggets of information then that you turn around and you, you implement into your next hunt. Skyler Watkins: Right. Jason Corley: because this old timer, because you were open to it. You were, were, you were spunned as much information as you were able to give them. They're given right back to you. It's no, like I said, the parallels are ridiculous when it comes to it. Skyler Watkins: Well, that's why I think too that my Instagram channel has been so successful is because I admit that I'm not right about everything, nor do I know everything. And, and when it comes to this sport, my god, there's, are a lot of experts. Everybody knows the right way to hit. And if you don't hit the way they say you're wrong. And I can tell you for a fact, because I am an experimenting nerd that I have taken stuff from teacher man. Jacob Moreno: Yeah Skyler Watkins: who everybody says is wrong. I've taken stuff from Nate Headley and those guys over at 108 who people disagree with and those two disagree with each other. And I've taken stuff from both of them and used it on kids in certain situations and watch that kid get successful. when it comes to that mechanical fundamental type stuff, there isn't a right way to do it other than. The basic right ways to do things, right? You know, I mean, you're not going to chicken hand a kid up there and tell him to swing, but, different stuff works for different kids. And it works the exact same when, coaching happens. I had a guy just write me yesterday that said, coach, was, I signed up for your membership. I was using your plans. ⁓ I want to edit this one drill to fit my team better. And, ⁓ and so I said, Well, man, as of right now, my drills aren't editable, but that's a great idea. Like, let me see if I can figure out how to go in there and code it to where on your end you can change it, but it doesn't change on the entire platform. It's just customizable for you because you're exactly right. I think we do a lot of stuff, right? But you might have an idea that's way better than an idea I've had. if it makes my kids better, that's my job. You know what I mean? I don't have to be right. My kids just got to get better. ⁓ Jacob Moreno: For you, yeah. Skyler Watkins: That's the kind of stuff that has been a learning process for me throughout this also. I've enjoyed this so much to the point that I don't even really hunt that much anymore. So it's great. Jason Corley: There's a lot of different types of trees you can hang a stand in there ain't just one you can Different types of trees and a lot of different ways that you can hang that stand so I get it and I understand it folks it is called www.play-ball.coach.com ⁓ and Skyler it's ⁓ I want to just say I want to give everybody an idea Skyler Watkins: That's right. That's right. That's exactly right. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Jason Corley: $39.99 for a year. That's not a month, that's for a year. And it's training program, practice plans, skill development systems, coaching education resources, and clearly a monthly Zoom call with the one and only Skylar. I can't, I cannot, Jacob, we keep knocking these out of the park, man, with our guests. I cannot thank you enough for doing this. We've been on now, Jacob, we're over an hour again already. Jacob Moreno: Yeah, yes we do man. Hour and a half, yep. Jason Corley: Hour and a half and it feels like we've been talking for 15 minutes because you've been going 100 miles an hour with this information. And I'm just thankful. I want you to know how thankful that we are that you brought this to our platform and allowed us to have this conversation with you because without this, you and I would not know each other and we wouldn't know that we know Brooks and other people together. So thank you. Thank you for your time this morning. What do you have going on the rest of the day? You going back to, is A &M playing again? Skyler Watkins: I love it, man. I love it. Jacob Moreno: in it Skyler Watkins: No, they had a doubleheader yesterday because of the rain, which that was fantastic. Jason Corley: What's with the bubbles? Skyler Watkins: so If you know anything about A ⁓ it's all tradition and it's all there's a there's a bunch of people that call it gimmicky and stuff like that you go to a football game and it'll change your life from how you think about how the game of football is done or the environment of football but in baseball every time a run scored Everybody has little bubble machines and they blast bubbles every time a run is scored ⁓ Last night runs were only getting scored on bombs. So it was it was fantastic, man. I mean guys were crushing the ball last night and I think ⁓ Blake Bender up who ⁓ You know is usually not extremely productive at the plate, but he's a huge kid He hit one dude. This is no lie. He hit one that was so fast off the bat He ended up it was 114 exit below off the bat went 454 feet at a 33 degree launch angle. I never saw the ball come off the bat Jacob Moreno: you Skyler Watkins: He hit it and Kate, my oldest, she's sitting right beside me and she goes, daddy crushed that. And I said, it sounded like it. I can't see the ball. And you just see everybody turn around. said, must be gone. But yeah, so they were, they played lights out last night. And then finally we, I don't know why we don't use Sims more, but they use Sims again last night. And he's, that dude is just, he's not a big name, but my guy, like, he reminds me of Maddox. He just paints stuff so well. Jason Corley: Yeah, right. Skyler Watkins: And it's tough for people to get any runs on him. So that was, it was a cool one for us to get to go to last night. Jason Corley: Nice, nice. So you guys playing today? Are you hunting today? What's on the agenda for today? Skyler Watkins: No, we, ⁓ we got storms here today. And so, ⁓ in the break at some point, yeah, we'll, we'll come out and hit the cage. Me and Kate will at some point today and work on some stuff like that. But other than that, you know, we'll be trying to find some games that aren't in the rain to watch on the TV. ⁓ but you know, this is, this is. This is a really cool time in my life, getting to be dad and coach. Jason Corley: Same with us. Jacob Moreno: So did we. Skyler Watkins: ⁓ And so I've really enjoyed this. I feel like sometimes I'm a little too hard on my own kid. ⁓ But at the same time, I've enjoyed this so much. And like you said, I've built so many friendships just jumping into this. And ⁓ I think a big message behind all of this would be that slow down and enjoy it a little bit. mean, I think that's... Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Skyler Watkins: That's one of the, one of the things that we're always so eager to jump into that next thing. And I've, I've learned to appreciate every pitch I put through that machine and watch my kid hit in the batting cage because my dad sent me a video yesterday, which my dad should not be on Instagram or Facebook because every, every, every You know, all those things about people have died and they're all fake. And he sends it to me every day. Do you see so-and-so died today? I'm like, no, he didn't, dad. He didn't die today. But ⁓ he sent me one yesterday that was a dad and his daughter walking out to the cage. And, you know, it was basically a, at some point you're going to take your last walk and then that'll never happen again. And I thought, man, I don't even know when the last time my dad threw me a ball. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Skyler Watkins: hit what you know what I mean? I was so focused on what college am I going to go play at? what's my future in this? And I got to do this grind, grind, grind, grind. And so I made a point to myself last night after a couple of dosecies at the game, watching my daughter get so excited about the ballplayers was that, you know, I need to start counting every single pitch that I throw just to enjoy the sound of her. cracking the bad on it and you know the laughter of how far do you think that would have gone because ⁓ I was sitting there with a beside an old man waiting to get into the game. It was a doubleheader and ⁓ it was a doubleheader because of the weather today. So they started today's game at two o'clock yesterday and we got stuck outside the park, right? You can't go in while the other game's going. So I'm sitting there and a little old man comes out of the sweet section and he sits down beside me and he was actually from Lakey, Texas, which is about, I don't know, 20 minutes from where I grew up in the middle of nowhere. And so it was kind like you and I with the hunting deal. It was like, man, we're, know each other, but don't know each other, you know? And I introduced myself and told him what my grandmother's name was. And he had happened to know my grandmother. And it's just like, okay, let's get this conversation started, you know? And he's sitting there with a scorebook and he, this guy's probably 85 years old and he's sitting there with a scorebook. Jason Corley: You Yeah. Skyler Watkins: And ⁓ he had it all filled out. And I said, man, how many of those things you think you got? And he said, buddy, more than I can count. And I said, really? And he said, yeah, I got a stack of them at the house. ⁓ so he starts telling me about when his son's played ball and shows me a picture of his wife who's now in an assisted living home. And that's why he's up here in college station and studied down there in Lakey. Jacob Moreno: Mm-mm. Skyler Watkins: And they opened up the gates and my kid was like, yeah, come on, let's go. You know, my wife's wanting to be first in line and stuff like that. And I told Kate, said, no, sit down here and listen to this guy. You know, I mean, we're going to get to the game, buddy. They're there. It's four hours long. We're going to get to the game. But this, this man right here is, is somebody that's experienced what we're going through right now. Jason Corley: Yeah. Skyler Watkins: and he's willing to tell us about it. know, and so for me, that was like one of those things where I'm like, okay, this is two signs in a row to slow down, you know, so figure it out, slow down and enjoy it. And ⁓ I hope that, you know, if parents listen to anything, that they listen to the fact that there's a very small percentage of a chance that this lasts for very long. So take in every bit of it. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Jason Corley: Yeah. Yeah. I think that Jacob and I have had conversations off air and even some on air where, ⁓ you know, this podcast has enlightened. ⁓ It's helped me. It's enlightened me. also shed a light on a lot of things for me that ⁓ although this is fun and although I am happy to keep, you know, gas in the car to keep it on the road for the opportunities, ⁓ Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Jason Corley: I am, we've got to reevaluate just how fast this is going because that we can still accomplish a lot of things without going at this light speed pace that we have been on for four years now. So we're going to, in, in this isn't, you know, some, this isn't some grand announcement, but we're going to reevaluate things. You know what I mean? At the end of, at the end of this year, we're going to reevaluate things and see Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Jason Corley: What really are the priorities? Because we gotta make sure we don't wake up tomorrow and our kid is saying, dad, I'm gonna ask her to marry me. Wait, excuse me. Because before you know it, it's all gonna be over and the only thing we're gonna have left is Instagram to remember this stuff by. And I don't want that. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Skyler Watkins: That's correct, man. I was thinking just the other day, ⁓ what I actually remember about, about baseball and you know, I, ⁓ I think my senior year I hit 13 out and, and I remember one of those because it happened to be that I was the two hole and, and our, our lead off hit one on the first pitch and I came up and the second pitch the kid threw, I hit it out in the same spot. So that was kind of a weird deal. And, I remember that. And then I remember my first college home run. Other than that, I remember being eight years old and me and my dad hanging a shrimp net between pine trees in East Texas to make our batting cage. ⁓ I remember breaking windows at my house because the ball would go through the holes in the batting cage, riding the old snapper, riding lawnmower to pick up all the balls that made it out of the net. I remember my dad taking me to the fields and hitting Jacob Moreno: Mm-hmm. Skyler Watkins: hundreds and thousands of ground balls at me and us laughing and arguing or Making cool plays die him telling me. All right, let's try some divers right here dive at these and let's see how far you can die I remember that stuff. I couldn't tell you how many games we won in high school I don't I don't have a clue about that kind of stuff, but Hanging out with my dad. I remember Jason Corley: Yep. No. I remember stealing Levi Garrett and chewing it with my neighbor in Bond and Pukin. You know what I mean? I remember that stuff. I remember throwing rotten tomatoes at cars from the overpass. You know what I mean? But if you tell me, I don't even remember who was on my team in high school. Like, let alone... Skyler Watkins: Yeah! That's right. Jason Corley: how I did or how I got there. I just, that is what the other day. So the boys, I know that you don't know my family, Jacob does, but my 12 year old, he's pretty decent at this game and he loves it, but he's pretty decent at all the games that he plays. His favorite moments, Skyler, are getting on his bike and riding into town and meeting up with those Yehuis that are in his class with him and them raising hell at the pickleball courts. or at the Dollar General. that's, that's what, that's, that's the shit he's carrying with him. He's not carrying with him how he did at the PGI last year. He's done already forgot about it. So it's that stuff that I do not want to, I do not want to miss. I do not want to lose. Jacob Moreno: You Yeah. Skyler Watkins: Yep. Yeah, that's awesome, man. And I think that's where, ⁓ oddly enough, parents don't understand this sometimes because Jacob had a bunch of great questions today that all hit on a lot of stuff that I get asked. And, and one of the main ones is like, you know, should my kids specialize in this or should my kid play multiple sports or how do I figure all that kind of stuff out? And, and. Jacob Moreno: Well that's been I mean. Skyler Watkins: Like I was talking about throwing the rocks at squirrels and skipping rocks earlier. A lot of people don't understand how much better of an athlete your kid becomes when they ride their bike to that pickleball court and they play for eight hours with their buddies and, and, and stuff that is not necessarily, you know, palm down chest out and doing all this. There's a lot of stuff that the kids can figure out. you tell them, your butt outside and go get in trouble. Jacob Moreno: Yeah Jason Corley: you Skyler Watkins: You know, there's a lot of stuff that you figure out how to do as an athlete like that. And you remember that stuff. And that's, that's what, that's what the cool part for me about that is. Jason Corley: Yeah, I just found out that they're making a movie. I found out that him and his buddies have been filming and making a movie. Like just four dudes just making their I don't need that. Graydon, who's his best friend in class, he's the director. I don't even know what part my kids playing. That's the shit. That's the shit. I remember Travis Golden, my neighbor. I haven't talked to Travis in 30 years. Jacob Moreno: He's probably got the video equipment from knowing you. Jason Corley: I remember him taking skull cherry for the first time and throwing up all over his brother's floor. don't have, you know what mean? When skull cherry came out and he put too much in, he swallowed it and everything went, it changed our lives forever. Like that changed, I can smell this, I can smell that stuff to this day and remember that day in that attic that he did that. You know what I mean? But I don't have any clue. I don't have any, I, Skyler Watkins: Yeah. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Jason Corley: I have one baseball memory, I swear to God, I have one baseball memory and it's of me eating a fly ball, because I couldn't see it and having to go to the hospital. Like that's it. My grandpa took me because my parents weren't even there, you know what mean? And I just remember the big old Oldsmobile, the door weighed 800 pounds and I... You know I mean? It's that stuff, it's that stuff. listen man, tell everybody what your handle is on Instagram and... Skyler Watkins: Hahaha Yeah. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Skyler Watkins: Yeah. Yeah. Jason Corley: For those of you folks that don't know and are just meeting Skylar for the first time through our channels and not his, ⁓ Skylar does Q &As. That's his thing. People write in on your Instagram page and then you show these questions on your screen as you're answering them. So there are a million things that people have asked and that is kind of your thing that you do. That is how we found you. ⁓ Tell everybody how they can find you so they can go in and read all of these things that people have asked. and maybe ask their own. Skyler Watkins: Yeah. So it's, um, it's just at play ball coach on Instagram. Um, and that's Jason's you're exactly right. That's what every night I get between one and 300 questions a night. And I flipped my finger really fast and stick it on one. And then that's the one I answer. Um, I've had to start searching a little more because as you could probably guess most. 80 % of the questions are coach isn't being fair to my kid and, and what do I do? ⁓ but there, there are a lot of really good questions in there also. And so we try to do that. then also somehow Instagram created a Facebook page for me. I don't know how that stuff works, but they, I guess everything I post on Instagram now, they copy over to a Facebook page or a Facebook page. So there is a. Jason Corley: Yeah, but it makes you don't know how it happened, but it sure does make it easy. Skyler Watkins: Yeah, yeah, there's a Play Ball Coach Facebook page now too. And I think like that's been up for a week and I think there's like 8,000 followers on that now. So it's been pretty cool and seeing the different dynamics between people that post on Instagram versus Facebook or write the comments, that's pretty funny also. ⁓ So yeah, that's where you can find me. And then the membership is where you said play-ball-coach.com. ⁓ Jacob Moreno: You Jason Corley: ⁓ yeah. ⁓ yeah. Yeah. Skyler Watkins: But other than that, man, it's, pretty simple. We don't do, we've got a few sponsors. Nobody really pays us anything. ⁓ and so we don't, we don't have to push product on anybody or tell them what the best this or that is. It's just, this is my opinion. And here's something people should realize real quick is that the questions that come in, the answer is strictly my honest opinion of what I think about it. Jason Corley: Yeah. Yeah. Skyler Watkins: It's not me. ⁓ Every video that you've ever watched, if you've watched any of mine, that's take one. I don't do more than one take. push record. I say what I think. I push stop and I hit post. That's it. ⁓ And so, you know, I get a lot of people that are, you know, well that we need the context of this, buddy. I got three minutes and I just dropped my kids off at school and I got to get to the bathroom here in about 12 seconds or we're going to have a problem. So I'm just saying what I think real fast and Jacob Moreno: You Skyler Watkins: And that's what you get, you know, now I believe it. Everything I say, I believe. And I have had situations where I've posted a video and somebody wrote a well thought out comment and I've gone right back in there and said, you know what? You're right, man. You are, you are right. I was wrong on that. And you're right. ⁓ but for the most part, you know, it's, it's, it's been helpful to a lot of people. Last night at the Aggie game, I had four different families come up to me be like, Hey, you're that guy on the deal, right? And I said, yeah. Jason Corley: I just want to you the I just want to the truth. Thank you. Skyler Watkins: Yeah. They're like, can we take a picture? It's the stuff you, my daughter doesn't even play softball. She plays volleyball, but the stuff you've said has made such a difference for our family. And I'm like, man, that, that means more than money to me right there, you know? And so, ⁓ been, been a really cool ride so far excited to see kind of like I am for you guys excited to see kind of where this, where this goes, man. Jason Corley: I have no idea, if we can get 14 Ranch on board, we'll be a lot better, boy. Jacob Moreno: Thank you, man. Yeah. Yeah. Skyler Watkins: Yeah, yeah, I told my wife I said look these guys got a new podcast and They've got a bourbon company that sponsors them. I said what I need to hire those guys to be my agent This is let me let me tell you this Jason Corley: So, Skylar, Skylar, this is no bullshit. I swear to God. So, you know the industry that I came from and you know, okay. And I was trying to explain to Jacob, like, okay, Hoyt was my title sponsor for four years. And then, you know, and we had, well, was Hoyt and Gold Tip were my title sponsors at the time. And it was, I mean, it was, I tried to tell Jacob, I was like, brother, like when I told him that Bardstown and Green River were coming into play. I said, you have no idea what this just does for us with identification of, okay, okay, ⁓ this is not a sleeve company that's coming in. Like this was a bourbon company that just came in and attached themselves to us and just co-signed everything that we're doing. Buddy, this is how it works. And I was trying to explain to him, hoi and gold tip. And he's just like, I have no idea what any of that stuff is. I'm like, Jacob Moreno: I'm just a truck driver, man. Remember that. I'm just a truck driver. Jason Corley: Buddy, doing so good. ⁓ Skyler Watkins: Well, dude, this is, this is what has bothered me. And this might be another avenue for you, Jason, is that there is, there is no, there is nobody that I've found yet. And I've got a decent reach. There's nobody that had is. Jason Corley: Yeah. ⁓ not in damage. Skyler Watkins: is a, this is going to sound stupid, but a talent agent for stuff that I do. And the only, because I came from the same industry you came from. And I know the numbers that we were doing back then and the amount of money that was coming in for those numbers. And yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm looking at, at my stuff. I don't, I don't get a penny from sponsorship. Jason Corley: Yes. Yeah, we're blowing the water now. Right. Right. Skyler Watkins: at all. No penny. And these, like the hats that I wear, ⁓ they've been seen as of right now, probably close to a hundred million times. ⁓ Jason Corley: And you know what, you know what Goal Tip would have paid for you, paid for you to wear that hat 10 years ago? 10 times what you would get now. So like it's, you're saying this and I literally was having this conversation with somebody yesterday. I sent them a screenshot of the numbers because I don't think people understand the numbers that we're doing now with just Instagram alone. Forget YouTube, forget Facebook, forget TikTok. Skyler Watkins: Yeah, it's insane. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Jason Corley: Forget any of that other stuff combined. Just Instagram alone, I can tell you that if I would have had those numbers with Hoyt, I would not be, I would be on a beach right now. Skyler Watkins: Yep. Well, we, Brooke Brooks, myself, and another guy named Tim O'Connor. We had a company back in the day called base camp and it wasn't the base camp leasing. was. Yeah. So, so that was us three. We had that company together and we would sit down with Hoyt gold tip, black gold. ⁓ we ended up buying Snarrow. We had bought rain broadhead. We had different stuff going on and. Jason Corley: I know exactly who they are. I know what base camp is. Skyler Watkins: When I first dabbled into the internet world back then on building websites and everything, WordPress was just coming out. And so content management was new. I started blogging because I was a decent writer and I started blogging and I would build these fake websites and then get the traffic numbers up to these fake websites. And then we would go pitch. It was when Google keywords and AdWords first came out. We would go pitch it to these companies. Jason Corley: Yep. Yep. Skyler Watkins: And we would say, look, Keyword AdWords is charging a dollar a click per that ad for a unique visitor. And we'll take 25 cents per unique visitor and change all this information to your information. And they were like clockwork signing up, right? If I got a quarter per unique visitor that watched my stuff right now, I would be a millionaire tomorrow because I get on average 2 million views a week and have Jason Corley: 100. 100%. Yeah. But also, but Skyler also, it is a testament to the industry that we're in right now is light years compared to that industry. The outdoor industry even compared to the reach and the ears and the eyeballs that we're reaching through travel ball in America. Skyler Watkins: Yeah, and I- Yeah. And I don't, I don't understand. And that's why I told my wife, I said, I'm just, I'm bad, I guess at, and that's, that was going to be my question for you today. ⁓ I'm bad at, I guess negotiating or how that all that stuff works from that standpoint. Cause that's. Do what? Jason Corley: Well, we don't need to this conversation on air. We don't need to have this conversation on air. Skyler Watkins: Yeah, I was, I was like, man, I don't know what I'm doing, but I told my, cause my wife was like, why aren't you making a bunch of money at this? Because I follow people with less engagement than you do that have retired and retired their husband and they quit. I said, babe, I don't have a clue, but I know that if I just got paid a penny per view for the clothes and hat that I wear, I would, I would be making half a million a year just from that one company because of the, ⁓ do what? Jason Corley: Do know how I learned? Do you know how I learned? Sitting in a tree filming for Levi Morgan, sitting in a tree filming for Chance Bobeth and being around them as they negotiated and worked with their sponsors on negotiating professional archery contracts. I was a sponge in a tree with a camera waiting for a deer to come underneath the tree. And we would just be having these conversations just like you and I are having them. And I learned, I learned how Skyler Watkins: No. Jason Corley: what these companies want in return. I didn't learn how to do it. I learned what these brands want in return. And then I turned it into my own, like each one of us, know, mean, Levi had his own way of selling his show. Chance had his own way of selling him at the line in Vegas, you know what mean, shooting a 900. Each one of them had their own way of doing it, but I took just little nuggets of that and learned, okay, it's not about how sell it, it's... what they want in return. And what they would in return was a personality. That's what they wanted. They wanted a personality to identify their product with. that's so to me, this to me, honestly, Schuyler, to me, that is the easiest part of this entire industry. This is the hardest part. The hardest part. The easiest part in the world is to go build those relationships and sell the hardest part is is. Jacob Moreno: And you said that. Skyler Watkins: Well, you're hired. Jacob Moreno: Hehehehehe Jason Corley: is getting on here and feeling like I don't sound ⁓ like a doofus. And why would anyone want to listen to me? That's the hard part for me. Skyler Watkins: Yep. Yep. Well, that's what, that's what I told my wife. said, look, I'm either going to talk to this Jason guy about it, or I'm calling Brooks and saying, Hey, get on the phone and help me out, man. Brooks is it. He was insanely good at that. And I watched him in meetings. ⁓ ⁓ the good Lord blessed me with ⁓ a super. Yeah. Yeah. And, and, and, and so that's, that's I told Lindsey the other day was like, Jacob Moreno: Yeah Jason Corley: Right no ⁓ Skyler Watkins: God gave me this great IQ, but when you've seen those videos, when they pour the water in to measure out whatever thing about their husband, I was like, he did not put a drop of contract negotiation into my cup. I don't know how to do it. And I suck at it. And, ⁓ Jason Corley: That's Jacob will sell his soul for a box of hats, a box of free hats. And I'm over here like, no, send that shit back and tell him to put it in. ⁓ don't. Skyler Watkins: Yeah! Yeah, that's what I told. That's what I told Lindsey the other day. I'm like my office, which is normally where I would do something like this, but it's Saturday and my kids are home. But my office is full of boxes of free clothing and free gear to try out. And please tell us what you think about this. Coffee packages, all kinds of stuff. And I'm like, guys, this is great, but I got bills next month. right. And they don't pay for it does not accept coffee. Jacob Moreno: Yeah, but Jason Corley: You Great. There is a reason why you very rarely ever see anything on my shirt. And if I have a hat on, it's a hat of the team that my son plays for. Like I told Jacob from the very beginning, I'm like, you gotta stop wearing this, you gotta stop wearing that. In fact, he and a buddy, our very first episode, he's like, what are you selling pit transportation for, Jacob? I'm like, you have no idea that every single one of those is an oppression. Jacob Moreno: Yeah Yeah. My brother. My job. Yeah. Jason Corley: that what you're doing is an impression, whether you feel like you are impressionable or not, that is an impression. And I'm just telling like, tried to, I didn't try to, but having the conversation with people now that are inquiring about being partners with ours, I'm like, you have no idea. You have no idea the numbers that we're reaching. If companies I was with 10 years ago had these numbers, I would not be having this conversation with you because I would not. Jacob Moreno: Mm-hmm. Jason Corley: I wouldn't need your money. it's just, the travel baseball industry, when Jacob and I did those numbers, what was it? A couple podcasts ago, $54 billion. $54 billion is what's being generated through travel sports in America. It's just astronomical. So to come in and support a guy like you, like there's no reason, like in all honesty, there's no reason that you shouldn't be, like that Ford shouldn't be. shouldn't be pumping your product. You know what mean? Pumping your product and you whatever. I don't care if it's Jeep. I don't care if it's Wagoneer. I don't care who it is. But those are the type of things. And I can promise you that it's just a matter of time before the right person comes up and they believe in what you're doing. you're able to because I can promise you Skyler, you can have that conversation and you have a personality. You have a personality and your brain is wired the right way. It's just a matter of the right person getting in front of the right video and seeing it and being like, Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Jason Corley: Wait a minute. Yeah, wait a minute. Wait, he's not with anybody yet? Okay. Yep. DM. Here it comes. That's how it happens. So. Jacob Moreno: ⁓ we want this guy. Skyler Watkins: Well, I'm, I'm, I'm patiently waiting, well, impatiently waiting for that day to happen. Jason Corley: You're fucking... Jacob Moreno: Man, don't worry about it, man. Jason's the brains of this. I just tell Jason, I'm just gonna ride your coat till, I mean, I'm a truck driver, man. To me, this is all new. And this funny conversation on a Sunday night, he goes, hey man, you ever done a podcast? I'm like, no, never even crossed my mind. Jason Corley: All right You Jacob Moreno: Tuesday, Monday comes, he goes, ⁓ okay. He's like, you know, I have an idea of this. And I was like, ⁓ you know, that's pretty cool. Wednesday afternoon, texts me, hey, Wednesday we shoot our first podcast. I'm like, whoa, time out, what? Skyler Watkins: love it, man! Jason Corley: like I said, like I said, this ⁓ the easy part. ⁓ this is the easy part. The hard part for me is feeling like I have anything worthwhile to say. That is the man in me. That's the husband in me. That's the failure in me. ⁓ ⁓ ⁓ if we're worth our salt in anything, we have to have that humility. Because I'm not attracted to those that are just ⁓ throwing out their arrogance and information as though it's the end all be all. I am attracted to those that are humble and that are open to figuring this out. You know, I mean together like this. This is what worked for me. This is what didn't work for me. What do you got? That's that's what I'm attracted to. Skyler Watkins: Yep. A hundred, a hundred percent, man. A hundred percent. And the beauty of this man is that everybody, because I felt that same way when my wife told me to start posting these, I'm like, what do mean people don't know this? You know what mean? Like everybody knows this. Jason Corley: It's also why you wear sunglasses because you don't even want to look at yourself in the eyes. Skyler Watkins: Yeah, I don't rewatch any of my videos. I hate it. yeah, I don't like hearing myself talk about the stuff, but I'll talk to anybody. I'll talk in front of anybody. You can put me in the Colosseum in Rome and I would speak. It doesn't matter to me, but I don't want to go back and rewatch it and hear it again. ⁓ But to your point, man, and I think what is very important Jacob Moreno: If I could wear sunglasses, I would. Jason Corley: Either it is Jacob. Jacob Moreno: Neither do I. Yep. Jason Corley: You Skyler Watkins: for people because a lot of times people stay too quiet too much. Like there's a, there's a big thing that's that, you know, everybody wants the quiet guy cause that's the guy that works hard or whatever. I think a lot of stuff falls by the wayside because people that do have a good opinion about stuff, stay quiet and don't understand that it may not be the people in your inner circle that are looking for that information. But what you have to say, somebody's going through it somewhere. If you're going through it, so is somebody else. And that information probably helps them out. And I didn't understand that. ⁓ I got a great wife, man. And she was awesome in telling me to do this because it's, it's, it's generated some cool opportunities, but the best thing from it is how many DMS messages or whatever that I get that are like, man, that just happened to me. And I'm so glad you said that because now I feel comfortable or confident and going in and saying this or doing this. I'm like, dude, that's, that's cool. That, that, made me feel like, okay, whatever I did say, help somebody. And so it was worth, you know, all the crap messages that you get, you know what I mean? And so that's, I think, I think that's really cool, but man, what y'all are doing is this is, this is needed and it was needed from the. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Skyler Watkins: Not only from the talk about side, because there are people that talk about what y'all are talking about. You know, I've, I've, I've found a few and listened to them, but the production side of this is unmatched when it comes to what else is out there right now. Because I mean, from, from the intro to the music, to the way y'all cut in and out and being a part of the hunting world from so long. Jacob Moreno: Thank you. Jason Corley: Hey, hey, the music. The music, if you go back, I have got Archery Buddies. I've got pros that I'm still friends with that go back and they're like, no, you didn't. No, you didn't. You're using that music. You're using that music. I've got this whole Confessions of a Bow Hunter series on YouTube from back in the 2012, 2013 of me and the tree with, you know, with my buddies. I went back then when I was producing these videos, I had to buy all this music. Skyler Watkins: Right. Jason Corley: So I told Jacob, I'm like, bro, I got a hook that I've owned for 20 years. No, you did not. I'm like, yes, I did. Skyler Watkins: It's great, man, and in the speed of Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Skyler Watkins: The speed at which y'all have progressed from, cause I went and watched them all, right? I'm a nerd when it comes to studying preparation is my thing. do not, ⁓ my biggest fear is being unprepared for something. And so I went back and I was like, all right, I got to see what these guys say about everything that they're talking about. Not to not step on your toes, cause I will, but I just wanted to see what your standpoint was on stuff. Jacob Moreno: Appreciate it. Jason Corley: Thank Skyler Watkins: And ⁓ so I went and watched them all and from episode one till the last episode y'all did, which is in a short period of time, it's like, feels like, okay, these guys got picked up by somebody and now somebody's really, you know, doing this show for real, you know what I mean? And so that's what attracted me to y'all was. Jason Corley: No, honestly, it honestly came from the very beginning. I was overthinking way too much of it. And you'll notice that the like the longer I go, the less control I put on myself. I just let it go. I just I literally have my sponsor, our title sponsor said, stop cutting out all the ums and all the pauses. He's like, you don't need to. He's like, stop doing it. Stop wasting all this time editing when every podcast he listens to. He's like, they're all there. Stop trying to produce this thing perfectly. Just get the content out. That's all we need. Just get the content. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Skyler Watkins: Well, you, you, you said it perfectly the other day in one of the episodes about people want real raw stuff, but in documentary format, that's what people want. Like I want to see, I want to see what's real. hated B roll in the hunting industry, hated it. Thought it was the stupidest thing ever. I don't need to see you draw the bow back. ⁓ When I know that that's 30 minutes later, I don't care. You shot what you shot, you know, but Jason Corley: Yes. It was worse and credit to those guys that bucked the system and changed it. ⁓ Skyler Watkins: Yes, yes. And that's, that's what people want in this too, because when I did, when my first, my first viral video was four point something million views, right? And that was, I didn't even talk. You want to talk about talking? I was so worried about what I sounded like talking that I used to take the questions. If you go, if you go to the bottom of my page or even one of those real viral ones that's tagged at the top, then that's how I used to do all the videos. I would take the question while I was drinking my coffee in the morning and I knew I was good at writing, but I didn't know if I was any good at talking. And so I would take the question and then I would write out my answer and it would be two paragraphs long. And I would write out my answer and I would just point down to the bottom and tell them, click the cat, read the caption, you know, and, that. Jason Corley: Yeah. ⁓ no. Skyler Watkins: Multiple of those videos there was a stint where anything I posted the minimum views was 250,000 You know and that was and it was all just me writing and telling people that I didn't even read the question I just did this and then I did that and then and that was it, you know, and then ⁓ I did one video where I was I was at the ranch and I thought you know what? I'm just gonna try to talk on this one and see what happens and I did it Jason Corley: you Skyler Watkins: a couple people got on there and was like, dude, that's way better than reading. You should talk more. And I was like, okay, well, if they're cool with it, I'm cool with it. ⁓ I went that route, which actually worked out for me because I've had some large leagues in different States that were like, Hey, we love the way that you present stuff. Would you come speak at our deal? You know? And I'm like, and then to your point, I'm an idiot. And I'm like, yeah, sure. They're like, what do we owe you? And I'm like, I don't know if you just fly me out there. I'll come talk, you know? Jason Corley: Yep. Yep. Skyler Watkins: Should've probably got some money off the bat. Jacob Moreno: That's me. That's me. Jason Corley: yeah, just text me next time. Skyler Watkins: Yeah. Yeah. I had, I had one where I spoke to 440 coaches at a conference event and I, got nothing but a hotel room. I was, I was the keynote speaker that came for free. Jason Corley: Meow, meow, next. Jacob Moreno: You Jason Corley: That should have been a hundred bucks in that money. This should have been a hundred bucks. So, all right, boys. Jacob Moreno: ⁓ Jason. Skyler Watkins: Yeah, yeah. But so yeah, to my humble point, if you've got something for me, text me later because I'm 100 % interested in learning. Jason Corley: 100 % awesome. Alright man, boys, let's get out of here. It is Easter. My phone is blazing because people keep leaving the house on Life 360. So I don't know if we've got something going. Do you know the other night when we were doing our podcast with Coach Beam? I don't know. Do you guys remember or Jacob, do you remember watching me put the windsock on the microphone in the middle? OK, because we were hearing all this stuff. Skylar had no idea the tornado sirens were going off down the road and the whole house. Jacob Moreno: Yep. Yeah. You Jason Corley: freaking out. But she's like, well, she's like, if something happens, he's going first, because I'm upstairs in a tornado in a barnhouse. Like I stood no chance. But I was like, what is what is all the racket going on? Here's what is everybody doing? Like, don't they realize I'm recording a podcast? And this is a professional podcast with one creature. Jacob Moreno: You Yeah. You Skyler Watkins: Well, looking out across my pasture right now, we could have part two of that any second now. Jacob Moreno: Alright. ⁓ Jason Corley: Yeah, so something's going on and I want to get to the family since it's Easter weekend. So, Skyler, thank you so very much, man, for coming out, brother. And I know we're going to stay in touch. best ⁓ of luck this year, best of luck with the service. I hope that it blows up. yeah, and thank you for everything. Yeah, and Patrick, Jacob. Jacob Moreno: Yep. Thank you so much, man. Skyler Watkins: Yeah. Jacob Moreno: and I'll patch that up. Skyler Watkins: Yeah, same to y'all, man. Same to y'all. Thank you so much for having me on. I really, really appreciate it. And you guys are doing an awesome job, man. Jacob Moreno: Thank you. ⁓ Jason Corley: Awesome brother. a great weekend. Jacob Moreno: Thank you. Yep. Have a Skyler Watkins: YouTube Jason Corley: Okay, all right. So yeah, we'll wrap this up real quick. Cause we've been on for, ⁓ yeah, dude. ⁓ I mean, listeners are to be pumped because they're to have content to listen to, but this sucks for editing. ⁓ So, ⁓ yeah, ⁓ like said, man, just, I, yeah, I had, ⁓ had, I just, get gut feelings, man. And ⁓ honestly, Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Two hours and 11 minutes. This was a good one, man. Jason Corley: there was a whole conversation that you didn't even know we were having with the outdoor industry. And I were talking and he knows people that I know from the outdoor industry. There's people that he's still friends with that I know. It just, it was an instant connection and we were comparing the two. were like, there's so many parallels between professional archery and travel ball. with like, like, yeah, like neither one of them can. Jacob Moreno: No. It just like. Sounds like it. Jason Corley: can resist from stepping on their own feet in order to get progress made. Just so many things. So I knew it was gonna be good. ⁓ Jacob Moreno: And I was prepared. Jason Corley: You weren't prepared. was well, you did, you did great. And, and I mean, listen, the best preparation is when we let our guests talk, you know what I mean? Let them, let them. No. Yeah. And, and the best thing too is, is to have papers and stuff on your papers that you never got to. Cause you, you know I mean? The worst thing is to run out of stuff and have nothing to talk about. That's the worst thing. So in, in the world that we're in, you know, we're here to, to, to get them to. Jacob Moreno: Yeah, though I'm in prepared question wise, had questions that I did want to ask and I highlighted them. Yep. Yep. Jason Corley: to speak, which is why we have them on. And they've all done an incredible job of it. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Jason Corley: So ⁓ yeah, we've got, I did hear, ⁓ so there's something coming down the road. ⁓ I think the 17th, when we're in East Cobb, are two gentlemen that want to come on that have ⁓ ties to East Cobb ⁓ and that would like to shed a whole lot more light ⁓ ⁓ the industry in area. ⁓ Yes, I will fill you in off camera. Jacob Moreno: All of them, yeah. ⁓ ⁓ Okay. Jason Corley: Um, they are big fans of coach beam love coach beam, but these are two gentlemen that, um, are currently that have been through the system and now they're back in it at eight and nine. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. And, um, Jacob Moreno: Ooh, so they started all over again. Okay. Jason Corley: they've got a different way of looking through the hourglass of the East Cobb machine, I guess you could say. So I'm interested in that one. We got to work out the logistics. They would be four of us on if we did it remotely. I told them, said, I think that's too hard. I think that's way too hard. I think it'd be a lot easier for us three to be on camera and then you on the computer. Jacob Moreno: Okay. Yeah, me at home or my phone over here, yeah. Jason Corley: You know what mean? I just then that's only one connection as far as the lapse when it comes to the audio where us three, we can just be on the couch. The camera can be wide angle way back. And you, ⁓ so I think that's how we're going to, we're going to play. There are both of the, well, ⁓ yeah, he is dead set, dead set. making this happen. So he's got some stuff to say and I'm looking forward to it. Jacob Moreno: Yep. Yep. Yep. Okay. so what's up? What's up? Jason Corley: Hey, have a question for you. I have a question for you. ⁓ Do ⁓ you think it's ⁓ socially acceptable to bourbon Easter at a gathering? Really? Okay. See, I wasn't sure. ⁓ Jacob Moreno: Yes. Yes. Well, you know what though? I'm different though because I will be going to my family's where we'll be drinking Modellos. Jason Corley: Okay. So we will be on Lindsay's side. um, which, you know, I don't mean it's not nearly as Lindsay's side is way more open to that than my side, my side. That's absolutely unacceptable. That's not happening. But Lindsay's side with all the, she's just got more siblings. know what I mean? That do. So I was wondering because I wanted to try the new, what do you call it? The, for Farron. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jason Corley: Is is that how you say it? Okay, I'm gonna try the new Farrand. I'm gonna take it, but I didn't wanna take it if, if you thought that like, I didn't, I just wasn't sure with Easter. Like Christmas is cool, New Year's is cool. I wasn't sure, like I've never, I've never done a bourbon on Easter and I was curious. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. No, why, I mean, it's... No, yeah, you can go ahead and do one. You can go ahead and do one. mean, maybe more than one. Just depends how... Jason Corley: Okay. Do you have to do that like a certain way on Easter or can you do it any way you want to? Jacob Moreno: No, any way you want to. You know what, let's get past the dinner, the lunch, or whatever. Let the kids have their egg hunt. What? No, no, no, I think it's more of a, when we're sitting around, conversation. Jason Corley: Okay, I just do really Okay. Okay. not during the egg hunt, no bourbon during the egg Okay, okay. So you're talking, all right, so depending on the weather will be whether or not Cleat has a fire in the solo stove out on the porch. he has... Okay, okay. I just wasn't sure with the resurrection of Jesus Christ if you could bust out the barge town. Jacob Moreno: That's when you do it. You know what? They go hand in hand. Jason Corley: I mean, I mean, there's no different than busting out the wine, right? The red wine, the blood of Jesus Christ and the blood of bourbon. blood of bourbon. Yeah, we're getting good. We're getting better at this, aren't we? Yeah, I got a couple of texts. He goes, really? Breaking news? was like, listen. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Yep. Yep, the blood of bourbon. So. But. Here we are, yeah. Yeah, it was breaking news. ⁓ Jason Corley: That's right. Yeah, you know, we got more breaking news. We got the blood of bourbon tomorrow. blood of bourbon. All right, buddy, let's get out of here. Good job today. Thank you. Thank you to Skylar. Happy Easter to the family, our love. tell Andrea we are still thinking about her and praying for her, especially on this tough day tomorrow. So let her know that we love her. Jacob Moreno: the blood of bourbon tomorrow, All right, buddy. Thanks, man, I appreciate it. Yep, thank you. Yep, happy Easter, everyone. Thank you. Thank you. You guys too. Love you guys too man. Love you. See you. Bye. Jason Corley: Okay, love you. See you. Bye.