Jason Corley: welcome everybody to the travel dads podcast brought to you by Bardstown bourbon green river whiskey. I am your host Jason Corley alongside my Mee-Go. Jacob Moreno: Jacob Moreno, bienvenidos a otro pesado de Travel Dead Podcast. Jason Corley: Bro, what's up with Tiger Woods? Jacob Moreno: man, that boy again, he's going back to. Jason Corley: WHA- Chris, talk about travel sports. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. No shit, man. Jason Corley: Like I feel I, I was listening to something today, folks were waiting on, um, a special guest tonight. Um, that I will, as a matter of fact, actually Jacob, I'll just introduce, no, I'll wait for him to come on. I'll wait for him to come on and then we'll introduce them. Cause you know, we're wanting to introduce a guest before they're taking like bad mojo in the media world. Cause the next thing you know, they're, you know, something comes up and right. don't come. So, um, Jacob Moreno: Yeah. They don't Jason Corley: Yeah, I feel bad because I was listening to this. ⁓ I've been listening to pretty much everybody talk about the whole tiger thing. And it's definitely my age group that grew up with tiger that it's crazy. Like we're all so sympathetic. Like even though this would be completely unexcusable for anybody else, but for some reason, like my age group of that 40 to 50 year olds, you know what mean? That grew up watching him and You know what mean? All that kind of stuff. It's just like, keep giving, you know, chance after chance after chance after chance. Jacob Moreno: Mm-hmm. Was it because he's the one that made the game cool? Jason Corley: I, I, well, yes. I mean, I think so. ⁓ I mean, I don't, I mean, I don't know that answer, but to me, I was a fan of it way. was a fan of golf my entire life. Cause that's what my grandfather did. He was a pro. And so I was all, mean, I, I guess, yes, I guess he made it cool, but he also frustrated so many of us that did play the game. Cause then we had all the sand, you know, I mean, we had, we had all the fly by nighters that came in because of tiger, which made the, you know, but he just, improved the game so much from like making companies come out with better shit, better equipment. Like, you know what mean? He raised the bar for everybody in it. And it's just like, but man, like Stephen A Smith today on, I don't know if it was on first take or if it was on something else. He was talking about, um, you know, this has been, this has been a nine year gap from the last time. And he was talking about, Stephen A was talking about substance abuse and like, you know, Jacob Moreno: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Jason Corley: You don't just stop and restart again after nine years, which tells it tells you he never stopped. Like he's always you know what mean? Jacob Moreno: Yeah, mean, yeah, but he's, you know, with all those surgeries and his bag, like... Jason Corley: I'm not. Yeah. I'm not saying that it's right or wrong. I mean, I shouldn't say I'm not saying that's right or wrong. It's definitely wrong. Like he has, ⁓ I think it was McAfee today was talking about how ⁓ a man of that stature that has that much expendable cash. Why is, why is he ever driving himself anywhere ever other than the fact that he doesn't want people to see what he's doing. You know what Jacob Moreno: Mm-hmm. Yeah, he wants to hide what he's doing. Jason Corley: You can still, bro, I watch enough stuff on Netflix, you can still pay somebody enough to keep their mouth shut. Jacob Moreno: ⁓ yeah, there's something called NDA for a reason. Jason Corley: You know what I'm saying? why are you like, why like, yeah, I would if I had if I had Tigers money, I would literally fly to the grocery store. I don't even think I would drive. Jacob Moreno: Well that was my biggest question is why are you still driving? Especially if you want to drink. Jason Corley: Yeah. Yeah. And like, well, he wasn't drinking this time. He had, he had pills. He was on pills. Yeah. This is a pill problem again. So this is a, this was pain medication and something else. Allegedly. I don't want to get sued by tiger. So this is allegedly, but, ⁓ yeah, I just, man, it's, but I will say this. I will say this. This led to an incredible opportunity to have a conversation with my 12 year Jacob Moreno: ⁓ Mmm. Yeah. Jason Corley: because HUD, HUD loves Tiger. Like that's, mean, it's Tiger's 50 years old, 49, whatever he is. I think he's a year younger than me. And my 12 year old still thinks that he's the greatest thing that's ever walked the face of the earth. And my son doesn't even play golf that much. He just started last year, but my son, every time he'd make a shy big tiger, you know how they do that thing with Kobe? He would make a sand shot, wedge shot and be like, Tiger, you know what I mean? Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jason Corley: I just, I, you know, it's incredible opportunity to have a conversation with HUD that, know, ⁓ buddy, even, even the mightiest can fall like no matter, you know, no matter what. And especially in the day and age where, you know, like you saw the pictures of him outside of his car that was flipped over on the road and he's standing off to the bushes. Like he, you know, it was almost like it was 1994 and he was trying to hide from the, the, TV networks. Yeah. The paparazzi is the lady that was driving by with her phone. Jacob Moreno: ⁓ for sure. Yeah. The paparazzi. Yeah. Jason Corley: Like instantly just, you know what I mean? You just hashtag tiger woods and you know, 14, you know, 14 million people see it. You know what I mean? So, which is it is when. Jacob Moreno: Yeah, it's heartbreaking, man, because I mean, I thought he was gonna come back and... Jason Corley: Yeah. I mean, it's hard. It's not separate. You look at his physique too. And you wonder how, you know, I don't know you and I, you and I both, you and I both been around the block, but you know what mean? And that physique, ⁓ that's hard to get that physique if you're using in any way, or form. So what, what, you know I mean? It's just, I don't know. I, I saw his press release today that he's stepping away for awhile and you're going to try to get some help or whatever. I, know, my biggest. Jacob Moreno: Do be decent. ⁓ yeah. Jason Corley: My biggest thing is, is I'm not really worried about tiger. Like tiger always comes, I swear to God, you know what I Tiger always comes out of the fire. Like cat tiger. He really does every time he's been through. Yeah. And even the stuff with his ex wife, like remember all that, you know, I mean all that battery stuff that was going on. He still came out of the fire and you know, was still beloved. ⁓ it's just, man, it's Charlie. It's like, like his kids. You too. Yeah. Jacob Moreno: Yeah, we looked at Masters a couple years ago. That's who I think about is his oldest son. I mean, because he's the one that's getting ready to, he just going to college, getting ready to play, but he's been in the spotlight the last, three, four years with his dad playing. Yeah, it's tough. It's tough on the kids, man. I think it's worse on the kids than it is the adults. Jason Corley: yeah, because as an adult, you're, just at that point. Like, I mean, I've been there before where, know, you've reached rock bottom and you're in ⁓ almost relief. I'll tell you, it's a weird feeling when you hit rock bottom, it's a relief of like, okay, it's over. Like it's out in the, like, you know I mean? It's over. Like, ⁓ no more hiding. Now let's just, let's just crawl back to the top. But so ⁓ I agree with you. The, the adults almost, ⁓ Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Jason Corley: It's not that we don't feel for them, but it's the it's the shrapnel of the kids. Jacob Moreno: Yeah, it's almost like the bomb went off. The adult got the bomb, the, you know, the Shrapnel, like you said, the Shrapnel is what hits the kids and they're still, they're the ones that see everything, especially being online and everything being about social media now. Jason Corley: So. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. You ever see a bomb like you ever see like pictures of like the aftermath of a bomb and like right where the bomb hits is not nearly as bad as the outskirts of the bomb. Yeah. You know, and that's just, it's, it's true. And we're going to, you know, we're going to have this conversation tonight a little, well, we're not going to be talking about bombs tonight, but we are, we are going to talk about, you know, the impact of, of social media, ⁓ in the travel sports world. I know. Jacob Moreno: is outside, yeah. Jason Corley: Jacob, know we keep calling it travel sports, but all we ever to keep talking about is travel ball baseball. ⁓ I want people to understand that we're, we're going to, at some point we're going to be able to reach out to other things, but right now our plate is so full. I, Jacob, this is no, this is no bullshit. Okay. I cannot open my phone in the morning without there being another request for somebody wanting to come on and talk. And, I don't, and I'm not saying that. Jacob Moreno: Yeah, that's how mine is too. Jason Corley: like egotistically, I'm saying that as in like, there's a lot of people that have things to say with using these microphones now. So it's just, I want to make sure we do our due diligence and go through these things. Jacob Moreno: Egotistically, yeah. Yeah. What was, there was a comment left on my, ⁓ one of my Instagram posts and said, podcast equipment's cheap. Everybody's using it. Well, guess what? Yeah. I just laughed. I laughed. was like, but that, mean, that comes in podcast equipment was cheap. Now everybody wants to come on. Jason Corley: ⁓ really? Got some hate. Got some hate. Nice. Nice. Well, yeah, I mean, maybe for him, if he's buying it from Facebook marketplace, but this wasn't cheap. And paying you isn't cheap. you know, I mean, folks, Jacob doesn't come free. Okay. All right. He's expensive. All right. Yeah. ⁓ no, it's, Jacob Moreno: I don't think he was buying it. think it was... No. No, it wasn't. Yeah. No. Yeah. See this body? ⁓ man. Jason Corley: It's, it's, I, think I, I think I had this conversation with you or I had it was, I don't know, buddy. I've, have so many conversations now that I can't keep them straight. But, ⁓ this is like, the podcast is really, it's been, it's been enlightening to myself. No, I was having it with somebody last night. That's right. I was driving home and we were back and forth. And he said, he said, listening to your last podcast. with coach beam he said my head is spinning Jacob Moreno: It is, man, it is because even the messages I get, I talk to that guy on the phone, the one that sent us that long message. Jason Corley: He's there's coach right there. We're going to tag. We're going to tag, tag him in right now, folks. Mike: What's up fellas? Jason Corley: There he is. What's going on coach? Can you hear us? Okay. Okay. Great folks right now. ⁓ we've got a really good one for you guys tonight. Joining us is Mike, a guy who's been in the game for nearly 30 years across every level of sports. He's done it all from officiating baseball since the mid nineties to working inside college baseball or college athletic departments. Jacob Moreno: Hey, what's up man? How are you? Mike: Good, good. Yeah, I can hear you great. Jason Corley: to help him manage over 400 collegiate programs through film and recruiting. But what I really, really respect about Mike is he didn't just stay at the top level, he's built it from the ground up. He founded a youth organization in his hometown, coached football for over 15 years, and he's been on the sideline at the varsity level as well. Now he's the owner of Premier Prospect Sports USA and Diamond Kings, running tournaments in Dallas, Fort Worth area, one of the most competitive baseball regions in the country. and helping athletics athletes get real exposure and opportunity this is someone who's seen the game from every angle and understands what it actually takes to build something the right way ⁓ to the show brother ⁓ my first question you is is ⁓ jake and i want to know what is the what the heck is the difference between the prospect sports u s a and i mean things like what is the difference Mike: Yeah, clearly. Glad to be here. Yeah, so one's a tournament business, which we've been doing since 2018. Yeah, so you can ask all those tough questions too if you want. And then DK is obviously baseball teams and an organization, so. Jason Corley: okay there you go Jacob Okay. All right. Where were you guys? Jacob, real quick. know you're, I could see Jacob getting fired up right there. ⁓ just real quick where, like, I, this is something that I do not want to forget to ask you because it matters a lot to me, but how long ago did you, I guess you could say, ⁓ form diamond Kings? Like how many, like how long ago was this? Mike: ⁓ last February. Jason Corley: Okay, so with that being said, what was wrong with where you were at before? And what like? Mike: Nothing, ⁓ we weren't actually running teams. Diamond Kings is, Diamond Kings came about by, we started a glove company and we were trying to figure out how to promote a glove brand without spending $10 million like 44 and Aria and some of the other ones. So. ⁓ Jason Corley: Jacob. Jacob Moreno: There's another. Mike: Yeah, we said we'll sponsor some teams and just see what happens. And it kind of just turned into a whole different thing and it's gone down a whole different rabbit hole. it's been a really fun and cool ride for the most part. I didn't think this is where this ⁓ would be after a year of this, but here we are. So. Jason Corley: Yeah. Jacob, you got your answer. Jacob Moreno: So with you starting to glove and not spending a ton of money, did you guys just go out and get teams or did you just start and then just brought teams in? Mike: Yeah, so it's kind of a two part question. Well, it's not really a two part question. I'll just give you a little little insight of how I feel about the market that we're in, which is North Texas. I think the kids in North Texas can absolutely play with anybody. And for whatever reason, we haven't been on the big stage. I have some opinions about that, Jason Corley: issue Mike: Well, not in the youth space, right? Like we haven't had dominant teams from North Texas go down and win in Houston 1000 consistently. We haven't been able to put. ⁓ Yeah, that's the right. The first one. Jason Corley: Okay. Jacob Moreno: Your 13s did it this year. Jason Corley: Is so is is the Houston is the Houston 1000 kind of in your mind? Is that your benchmark? Mike: Well, for 14 and under, it's the Daytona 500 of baseball tournaments, right? I mean, that's the big daddy of them all. So if you win that one, you've made a statement. So, and this year we had three teams from North Texas win that tournament, 8U, the 10U, and the 13U. So. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Mike: So like I said, we believe that kids from North Texas are as good as any kids in the country and can play with anybody. We just haven't been able to prove that as a market. And so what we did is we said, hey, let's go get the best groups in our market and let's go put some muscle behind some of these better coaches and just see what happens. And something remarkable has happened where we have. several teams that are naturally ranked and we're not doing anything special other than just providing them an avenue to show their teams off. And they're growing naturally because of that. Some of the better players from North Texas are joining those teams because they wanna be a part of that. And so we haven't taken the traditional route. We saw a couple of different blueprints and then we wrote it and made our own. So that's really kind of what we're doing. We're not doing anything really unique in that. We're just doing it different. Jason Corley: What when you say when you when you say to us that you're putting some muscle behind these coaches what do you explain that to me like I'm six what does that mean. Mike: Yeah, so... Being that we run tournaments and like you said, I've been in baseball for over three decades. I just feel like we have a very good understanding of what kids and parents are looking for as far as not from a developmental standpoint because all the true baseball figures wanna talk about development. I just said, hey, you guys are already doing a good job of what you're doing because you're already. either ranked or doing really well. Let's just bring you over here and let's put some firepower behind what you're doing already and bring you into our brand. And that firepower is just social media is really what it is. We put cameras on the fields. We have some great ⁓ content creators and those content creators are making some great stuff for us and putting it out pretty close to real time. You know, we put out media throughout the weekend and then ⁓ So it's kind of, parents want exposure for their kids and players definitely want the exposure, especially on the 12 and up. I would say even starting probably at 11, 10 and under really don't know what social media is. They haven't figured it out yet, but they're slowly starting to. But their parents definitely know what it is and their parents definitely crave it. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Jason Corley: The kids, the kids definitely want it. They just don't want to be seen getting it of themselves. If it, and, and, and I got a, I got a podcast partner here that literally is the exact same way. He'll, he'll repost anything I make for him, but he doesn't want to come off as being seen of making it of himself. He can't cross. The kids are the same, the same exact way. It's this mental block that, yeah, some, some have and some got now. Mike: Correct, Yeah. Jacob Moreno: Hmm Mm-hmm. Mike: Yeah, yeah. Jason Corley: We both know that there are many kids out there that have embraced it and have no problem with it and love it. But the vast majority of kids don't want to be seen making this stuff themselves unless it's something of them at church or youth group. ⁓ But when it comes to the competitive side, they don't want to see them as though they feel they're trying to portray as though they're better. Mike: Yes. because scrutiny comes with that, right? Anytime you're ⁓ ⁓ shine the light on yourself, scrutiny comes with that. We've definitely seen that from other parents on other teams ⁓ we've gone along on this journey. So it's a double-edged sword for sure. ⁓ even a double-edged sword inside of our own teams. ⁓ certain players are getting spotlighted more than others, ⁓ becomes somewhat of an issue too. ⁓ Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Jason Corley: I can only imagine that, Mike: And to our credit, I don't script any of this. We tell our content creators, yeah, yeah, we tell our content creators, go out and shoot the game and you guys edit what you want. We don't tell them what to edit. We don't tell them who to edit. We don't do any of that. We just say, go shoot it and put out what looks great and what makes us look good. And that's what they do. And like I said, it's a double edged sword. So sometimes it creates internal issues with parents. They feel like their kid's being left out. Jason Corley: ⁓ I know. I know. Yeah. Jacob Moreno: Some kids just have that. Jason Corley: Been there. Mike: Yeah, some thank you. Some kids are just naturally. The former loves him naturally, right? And we have a handful of those and they get spotlighted more often and it's not a huge problem, but it is. It is an issue that we have to address and we have to, you know, be careful, not be careful. We have to just explain it in a way that look, this is not selective. We're not leaving your kid out on purpose. This is just part of this. And as the season goes on, Jacob Moreno: Some kids are just natural camera kids. You know? Jason Corley: Yes. Mike: your kid will be in the videos as well. It's just part of it. And I don't ever want to get to where I am scripting it. I don't ever want to get to where we are telling our guys how to shoot it, because then I think that takes away from what it is, right? So. Jason Corley: No. Yeah, nothing is ever nothing great has ever there's there's never been a great reality show. You just watch it for you. Just watch it the scripted screenwrecks. The greatest stuff are the documentaries that come and happen naturally. Those are the greatest things. So what was it, Jacob, a year ago or a year and a half ago? I started making up our kids and I was I had this grand plan that we were going to create a YouTube channel for the Hit Dogs national team because I thought, well, hell. Mike: Right. Right. Yeah. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Mike: Yeah. Jason Corley: let's try to monetize our own team review too to help offset the cost of some of the stuff that was my plan two problems came to that you had out of out of eleven boys three of them were really good on camera the rest of them is soon as you as soon as they saw the red light they went to shit they all had some say when the light was not on within a season that was on on they've been here you know i mean they fight they've used quiet and all that Mike: Yeah. Well, here's another thing. The first couple of times we put cameras on the field, it is a hindrance to like the kids are. I don't want to say they perform badly, but they're just, they're not used to it and it's a distraction and it's, and we have to tell the coach like, hey, they'll get used to it. Like just, you know, it's going to come just, you know, ⁓ but yeah, at first every team that we've stuck, except for our 13 years, our 13 years are the only group where we've stuck cameras on the field and they don't waiver. Yeah, but every other age group. Yeah. Yeah. Jason Corley: they're conscious of it Right. Right. Jacob Moreno: They're naturals. Them dudes are naturals, man. Watching them on Instagram or on Facebook, you put the cameras in front of them dudes and it's like a party to them. They're having fun, you know? And they don't... Jason Corley: Well, some of them. Mike: Well, to our coaches credit, he's done a really good job of finding kids that not only can play, but really love the spotlight. Jason Corley: Well, there's a lot of kids too that you'll find and I see this with like Mike, you and I share the same passion for this industry of film and photography and stuff. And so my mind is curious and I subscribe to a lot of different things that I pick up little creative ⁓ inspiration from or man, I really like the way that guy just shot that basketball game or something along those lines. There are some kids that absolutely rise to the occasion. There are some kids. Mike: Yeah. Jason Corley: that it actually makes them lock in more when they know the cameras on them, where some kids don't. That's all they can think about. They can't think about anything else. And next thing you know, it all goes to crap. ⁓ I will say that my idea, my plan was fantastic. the few amounts of, or the footage that we do have that is online is great. The problem is that I want to be dad. I don't want to do this shit. I want to watch games. Mike: Yeah. Yeah. Jacob Moreno: Yeah Jason Corley: Like I don't want to, I don't want to spend my entire tournament looking through the lens. Like that's not my, that's not why I'm doing this. And so, you know, I think to your guys' credit, I love the way that you're doing it. And there's other clubs out there that do it this way where it's basically an outside contract so that there are no parents involved with this where the parents don't have to feel guilty about. Mike: Yeah. Jason Corley: Well, I didn't get enough photos of little Timmy here, but I've got 72 of Johnny, know, and it's natural that the photographer's gonna get his own kid. Do you blame him? Like, no, it's their kid. That's what's gonna happen. So having that outside contractor, for you guys, I know that it's outside, but it's inside kind of thing, but still having the hands off to where the content creators can just go be content creators, they're not attached to the individual teams. Mike: Right. Yeah, exactly. Jason Corley: to where there is that bias. can just say, listen, man, I'm sorry, but I mean, what do want me to do? The kid hit four home runs. I'm gonna like, yeah, the footage is gonna be a lot of him. Mike: Right. Yeah. it's, it's, um, and managing content creators is a whole nother, you know, a whole nother line of movement. Yeah. It's, it's, it's interesting for sure. I mean, they're artists, you're dealing with artists and, um, not businessmen. And so when you're dealing with artists and not businessmen, sometimes it gets, you know, Jacob Moreno: No. Jason Corley: all wax Mike: you want a certain thing as a business owner and then they're wanting to show off their abilities. And so you just got to figure out how to, you know, manage that without upsetting them, but also get what you need out of what you're paying for. So it can be tricky. Jason Corley: Yeah, because what is incredible content to them might be absolutely damaging to you. We had Jacob, remember when I mic'd up coach Scott? And, ⁓ I mean, he was just like, he was, he was like, what, did he say? He was talking about pitching down the middle. He's like, you can't give him a, you can't give it, give it to him right down the Dick or something like that. And I asked him, you can't, a cock high fastball right down the Dick. Mike: You're all right. ⁓ Yeah. Jacob Moreno: You can't give him a cock high fastball down the middle. Jason Corley: You know, and I've got coached my cup and I'm just, I'm literally videoing this and I'm like, this is incredible. Like this shit is incredible. And I remember afterwards, I'm like, okay, Scott, are you okay? And he's like, he's like, with it, roll with it. I'm like, yes. But if anybody's never been to one of our games, they know that that's, that's Scott. He's been, he's been talking like that since they were eight. So the kids are the kids, the kids have adapted and they have grown up quick. They have grown up quick. ⁓ Mike: Yeah. Wait a minute, 10 years you're gonna watch this. Yeah. Jacob Moreno: Adapted. Mike: Yeah, so we put out a video with a cuss word in it and the guy that created it was like, hey, like this has the word shit in it. Is that going to be okay? I was like, it's raw. They're 13. Let's not pretend like 13 year olds aren't cussing on the field. So let's just roll with it. And then my coach saw it he's like, Hey, uh, should we leave it on there? I was like, I mean, if you want to pretend like you guys don't cuss on the field, sure, we'll take it down, but let's just, you know, let's be raw and real with it. You know? Jason Corley: Yeah. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Jason Corley: yeah yet jaco we've been through that i mean i would say that i have to filter more from the boys when they're mic'd up than i ever do the without without without it out ⁓ go ahead go ahead jake Mike: Yeah, yeah, for sure. Jacob Moreno: I do, I do got a question for you. You said, you know, you wanted the North Texas area to compete. Like what was it for you to make that judgment and then, you know, start when you started, what was the landscape of North Texas baseball before that happened? Mike: Well, and I'm going to start this by saying I'm not trying to downgrade anybody. I'm not trying to talk bad about anybody. I think there was just a model here, a business model that was unsuccessful to create competitive teams to go play on the big stage. And that model was... Jacob Moreno: No, I don't want you to bash anybody. Mike: You know, there's a ton of good players on a bunch of good teams, but for whatever reason, we couldn't get the really good players all on one team. Does that make sense? And I don't like, have my opinions of what caused that, but I can't speak up. Like no one actually knows a hundred percent why that didn't happen. I can only tell you why it's happening for us now. And it's a large part of it is the cameras. You know, we. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Mike: am from, ⁓ played, right? I played baseball in high school. I wasn't good enough to play past high school, ⁓ I played football class. I played football in college at Mayor Herndt Baylor. ⁓ ⁓ a young adult, you know, 28, 29, 30, I realized that there's a short window for athletes to enjoy their time on the field. No matter the sport, doesn't really matter what it is. If it's basketball, soccer, football, baseball, well, it doesn't matter. There's a short window and it's even a shorter window for girls. But for the, but, you know, I have boys and well, now I have a daughter, but my boys are grown. They're 21, 18. Jason Corley: Yes. Mike: We live the whole youth experience. And so for me, when I build a program or an organization, my number one focus is how can we give these kids the absolute best experience in the time that they're six years old to the time they're 14 years old? Because I know statistically as a former athlete, the number just gets smaller the older they get, right? When they get into high school, we're at about 7%. When you talk about varsity players, it goes down to five. When you talk about college players, it goes down to three. When we talk about pro players, we're at less than 1%. So we know that the number just keeps shrinking from the time that they're 14 until they're done playing. And so that window of 6U to 14U, we want to make that the absolute best experience of their life because we know that's what they're going to talk about when they're my age, right, when they're your age. Those are the experiences they're going to talk about with their friends. Jason Corley: So, so let's get, let's, yeah, let's, let's get this straight. Cause I think I hear you. I think I hear the, I think I hear the message in here. And that is, that don't, don't misplace when you see the diamond Kings brand on the, on the baseball field or through your Instagram algorithm or whatever it is, you're not selling, you're not selling these kids a pipe dream. You're giving, you're giving these families an opportunity to cherish the memories by capturing all this stuff. That's it. Mike: now. I'm not telling any parent that we're gonna put them in college. I'm not telling any parent they're gonna make their varsity team. What I'm telling them is we're gonna give you the very best experience through the coolest uniforms, the best gear, like the best swag. And we're gonna give you memories that'll be online for forever. that's what, is it a business? Yes, it takes a lot of money to do what we're doing. ⁓ Eventually we'll start making money at this. I don't know when. but eventually we will. Yeah, but I will say like the one thing where we're uniquely different is that if I have extra money after paying bills, it goes back to the experience for the kids. ⁓ Jason Corley: That's what they all say. Jacob Moreno: You Mike: some of these other programs or millionaire pockets. We're just, from a fundamental standpoint, to our core principals offering the best experience for kids that we know how. Jason Corley: Yeah. Well, um, I can tell you that I don't know what kind of a relationship you have with them, but if you get the seal of approval from the Schroeder family, that's a pretty damn big one because, uh, that family knows ball. They've been around the block. They've been road hard. They've been put away wet. And, um, if they're moving their, their, their team and their child to what you're doing, that speaks volumes to a guy like me who lives. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Jason Corley: 25 hours away in Ohio. And I'm just being honest with you. Yes, your uniforms are badass. Yes, my kid loves them. Hell, I've... Jacob Moreno: The colors are sweet. Mike: Well, we have our 13-year coach to thank for that. Jason Corley: Well, okay, well was gonna ask you about that because I was looking on your Instagram page and your daughter loves Froot Loops and I was wondering did this shit come from the bowl of Froot Loops? Mike: ⁓ yeah. No, our, our, so our, our general manager is also our, our head coach for our 13 year national team. ⁓ Matt and, ⁓ a company called drip Kings of the owner, Jonathan Haro, they design all of our uniforms. Matt comes up with the concepts and then drip Kings, you know, puts the final product, ⁓ Matt's vision into a product. so, ⁓ Jacob Moreno: Hahaha! Mike: I work closely with both of them to, Matt's got kids and they know what they like and they're tied into what's cool. And I'm just an old man, I wish I could take credit for it, but I can't. So I don't know what's cool. I wore this much pink as a kid, I'd got my ass kicked. So that shows you how old I am. Jason Corley: Yeah, you spoke through. Jacob Moreno: Hahaha! Jason Corley: bro I've got my favorite hot pink short sleeve hoodie and I wear that and I still I still catch myself I'm like hmm I'm going to IGA is this wise or I fucking I don't ⁓ like I don't care I'm going you know what mean I have a Mike: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was totally excited when Matt picked purple because, you know, my alma mater in college is purple and we're considered one of the purple powers. If you know Division III football, there's, you know, Wisconsin Whitewater, Mary Harden Baylor, and Mountain Union, all three of them are purple team. Yeah. I got a story from 2004. We go to Mountain Union. They're 99 and 0 at home. Jason Corley: Mount Union, Mount Union, right down the road. Yeah. Jacob Moreno: Mount Union, yeah? Mike: won a couple of national titles in a row and we beat them on their turf 38-35. So go ahead and play for the national title. Jason Corley: It's very, very, very respected football program in the state of Ohio. Mike: Very, very respected. And yeah, I enjoyed the time there in Ohio, being a part of that game. It was fantastic. ⁓ Even better story saying you got to beat them. So, very cool. Yeah. Jason Corley: ⁓ yeah, without a doubt. you know, do you, do you know, like, do you, can you name drop anybody that would have been on that Mount Union team that went on? Like, do you know? Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Mike: The running back, Nate Kamick, he was fantastic. I don't know how long he played, but he was incredible. And obviously Coach Karras was a legend. So yeah, mean, don't know of any of that. Kamick was the kid we focused on all the entire time we were preparing. He was monster running back. Jason Corley: Okay. Okay. Yep. Yep. Yep. Hey, are, I have a question. Are you trying to, ⁓ you know, obviously diamond Kings is, is blowing up. mean, it, your guys are doing a fantastic job because obviously you're catching our attention. So that's, I mean, that's a big thing and we're 25 hours away from you. ⁓ we were not in Houston this year. We chose not to come to that tournament because for us, ⁓ when you say that, you know, that. Jacob Moreno: No. Jason Corley: It's your Daytona 500 in Texas. Ours is the PG World Series in Atlanta. Or what we have now discovered is I think what's surpassed that now is the PGI. I think, and I think PG is pushing the PGI to be their granddaddy of them all. I'm not sure. just kind of feels like, So I, my question is, is are you, where do you see, where do you see the diamonds King brand going? Do you just want to. Jacob Moreno: Mm-hmm. Mike: Yeah, they are. Jason Corley: focus on the Fort Worth area or do you have visions of it being a national program? Mike: No, think adding that Southside Defenders team in Houston to us, we want to be a national brand. ⁓ like I said, this started out to sell gloves. ⁓ wasn't like a let's go ⁓ over the baseball world. But ⁓ in business, you just have to roll with ⁓ comes out of what you've done, right? And so that's what we're doing. We're pivoting. We're not pivoting away from the gloves totally, but ⁓ this is more successful. And so we're pivoting to put our energies into growing it. ⁓ You know, from a business standpoint, and I know it's youth baseball, everybody hates saying that, but it is at the end of the day, it is a business. We are running a business and in order to. Yeah, in order to keep this going, we actually have to make money, so we actually, you we have to expand and feel like we owe it to the families that we've brought on so far to keep it going and to try to expand it and and you know, not kill it. Jason Corley: Sure. I have a podcast talking about. Jacob Moreno: Yeah Jason Corley: Is it easier as somebody that's built this from, well, and you also built the Tomahawks, which I swear to God, I've heard of them, Jacob, or we've played them. Have we not? Mike: Well, you're in Ohio, so they paid us to use our brand. ⁓ It's the wind. Jason Corley: ⁓ so like franchise, like Ohio elite and some of the other like Keynes. Mike: Not really. So this group of people running a nonprofit in Ohio, they saw our logo online, reached out and said, hey, we love your logo. we use it? I said, sure, 250 bucks. You can do whatever you want with it. So I think it's Winchester. Jason Corley: Pfft. Ouch, come on, man. Okay. Okay. Mike: Anyways, they're the Tomahawks up there in Ohio. So they run a nonprofit football and baseball, I think. Jason Corley: Okay. Is it easier, is it easier to develop and expand your teams from an older group that's established or is it easier to, you know, attract a nine new team now and let them stay? Jacob Moreno: ⁓ okay. Mike: I think bottom up is much easier. everyone that's done it before us has started with amazing high school talent and grown their brand from a high school perspective. I don't know this to be 100 % true, but I feel like we're one of the few that's done it from the other way. We're going bottom up. ⁓ yeah, yeah, I like to be a disruptor in most things that I do. Jacob Moreno: You flip the bottom. Mike: take things that I like from here and there and build my own blueprint and kind of just say, hey, this is my version of what you're doing and I like my version better. Jason Corley: told you, Jacob, we were, we were nixed in. Mike: I don't ever like to copy. Does that make sense? I like to take bits of what I see, but I don't want to copy completely. Does that make sense? So. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Jason Corley: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Jacob, were you going to say something? Jacob Moreno: Yeah. So, yeah, I do. So the one video, you know, I started seeing you guys because, now, correct me if I'm wrong, were you guys the Diamond Kings that were online a couple years ago that were blue, red, white, and blue, and then switched colors? No? Okay, so that's how I started, but then this year, no, last year, I started seeing the purple and I was like, ooh, and then Jason sent me, and then my son sent me. Mike: No. Nope. Nope. Jacob Moreno: the reveal of the 12U uniforms when they were in that locker room. Mike: ⁓ yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was fun. I did. So, I say I. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so. Jason Corley: Yeah. Jacob wants to know who bought all that shit. Jacob Moreno: Okay, you know what? That's where I was headed to but I wasn't gonna say it like that No, but but no the big question for me was I didn't know if you you know you paid for it or you got it sponsored and then you know, you just had to pay your you know your Content creators to do it because let me tell you man. Them videos were sweet Jason Corley: Hahaha Mike: Yeah, we work with some of the better content creators in the country and so we fly guys in from other states, we fly guys in from other countries. ⁓ My son is a big part of our media team. We put a camera hand in his hand when he was about 12, and he's been kind of doing and learning ever since. And so a lot of the stuff you see is my son, but then a lot of stuff we see is other content creators as well. But some of our creators work for PG. They work for Pottstown. They work for... ⁓ various other programs like Doc America. it's, yeah, we run the gambit on content creators and they do a hell of a job. And we wouldn't, there's two reasons Diamond Kings is what it is. And it's our coaches and our players and our media people. I wish I could say anything other than just paying for it. So I really don't have. Yes, we manage it to a degree, but really it's the product on the field, which I have no control over. And it's the product that we put online. Again, they're artists and I just pay for it. So I want to give as much credit as possible. Jason Corley: So. Coach, we dabbled in this on our phone call earlier today, but I want to touch back on it because I don't want to miss it. What is your response when you get the pushback from the parents of the other teams that there's a camera crew following around a bunch of nine-year-old kids and they don't deserve it, they've done nothing to earn this yet? What is, I know, you're rolling your eyes because I roll my eyes because I... Mike: Yeah. Jason Corley: This man, I'm a content creator. I love media. I will always love media. So I'm on your side here. I just want to know so that I can have some excuses. Mike: I'm rolling my eyes because I'm gonna say some things that are gonna make me not very well liked, but. ⁓ Our response is, hey, thanks for the follow and thanks for the like. Jason Corley: dog! Right there. ⁓ Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Mike: So yeah, so like we're in our lane doing our thing. You don't have to like it and you don't have to respect it and you don't have to like, but we don't care. This is what our kids like. This is what our family's like and this is why we're doing it. And. ⁓ Jacob Moreno: video. Jason Corley: Yeah. Right. Mike: You know, it's funny because the last three tournaments, so our 13 year team is on a roll. They've won four straight tournaments, three of them being Super NITs and. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Mike: It never fails. parent, you know, we'll make a mistake on the field and some parent says, well, put that on Instagram. you know, that's like I said, we, you know, it's, I don't always say it, but most of the time it's one of our coaches or parents or players. But the response is always, Hey, thanks for the follow. Thanks for the like. And, and then that's, is the simmer of the situation down. But then it fires our kids up too, because our content creators have fallen in love with our players. And so the next big thing that, you know, the kids get fired up when they hear a smart ass comment. And so they'll go out and, you know, pop one or, you know, make a great play or strike a kid, next kid out. And then our content creators like, hell yeah, that's going on IG right now. so, you know, it ⁓ gets the kids going and they eat it up. like, you know, thank you. I mean, the best thing to do when you Jacob Moreno: Hahaha! Jason Corley: Yeah. Yeah. Mike: getting your ass kicked is just to take it, not to talk shit. Jason Corley: Yeah, and if you're the douchebag out there that is the one that's on the other sidelines saying put that then like you literally the only reason you knew that it was even on Instagram is if you're following it. So shut up. Like it's it's it's so stupid. Don't be that dad. Mike: Exactly. You've seen it. it's still it's working right. But but you know like. And I have, talked to our coaches, not a ton, but I talked to our coaches about some of this stuff and you know, it is a double-edged sword in that way. When you're down, people are going to say nasty shit because you're getting the attention. And I tell our coaches, you need to talk to your kids and just say, look, this is part of it. If you don't want them talking shit, go beat them, go shut them up. The only way to do that is to do it with play on the field, by, you know, getting in your feelings and, you know, talking shit back and engaging in that nonsense. You know, Jacob Moreno: Mm-hmm. Mike: I've coached football for a long time and when my teams are down, I tell them, hey, if you don't want them over there cheering and dancing and celebrating, go shut them up. to me, that's the appropriate way to handle that stuff is just stick it to it. Jason Corley: Yeah. Yeah. Jacob Moreno: do. Jason Corley: Have you found, have you found any, any kids or parents that have, and I'm just asking, I don't know this, but I'm just asking, have you found any that thought that they were going to be okay with it and turned out that this is not for them and they have decided to walk away? And I mean, respectfully, you know I mean? But just like, Hey, this is more than what we're comfortable with. And this is just not our cup of tea. And maybe like, has any of that happened yet or has everything went smoothly? Mike: If it has, it hasn't gotten back to me that that's why they left. So, don't know, maybe. Jason Corley: Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, it's not like you've got, it's not like you've got 20 years of this brand and of doing this to, have a data bank, you know, I mean of that happening. I just, I was just curious if like, if out of the gate, Jacob Moreno: That's what I was gonna ask. Mike: What? I'm sure at some point it's going to happen. as far as I know, no one's left because of that. So we've had kids. Jason Corley: Yeah, yeah. Jacob Moreno: You have families that don't want their kids on camera. Mike: Yeah, think at this point, going into it, they should know better. I am going to have to start. When we open this up for tryouts and things, we're probably going have to have a media waiver signed. Jason Corley: Well, they should know that before they ever get here. Yeah. Yeah. Are going to have the PG waiver that warfits all their NIL rights? Mike: No. But I do need them to understand that whatever we shoot, I own and I'm going to do what I want with it. Jacob Moreno: Hahaha! Jason Corley: Yeah. I, ⁓ I think it was, what was it like two years ago, Jacob or something like that. put out on our team message board. I'm like, Hey, just let me know right now. If you don't want your kid photographed, let us know. And we won't do it, but otherwise, like, you know what I mean? I we're going to post it and it's there because we're trying to build, you know, the hit dogs, you know, culture. And we're trying to do this for our coaches and our club. So let me know now. And nobody's ever, nobody's ever said, no, please don't photograph my kid ever. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. free game. Mike: Yeah, and you know, I do a lot of social media for our tournament business and no one's ever come to me and said, hey, you can't use my kid on a flyer. It's never happened, so. Jason Corley: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And because it's going back to it, Mike, you go back to it. We're talking about the fact that less than 1%, less than 1 % of these millions of kids that are doing this are ever going to reach a stage in their lives that they're going to have a problem with their NIL deal mixing with your NIL deal. You know what I mean? Like there's very few that are going to have a conflict of interest there. Mike: Well Jacob Moreno: Hmm Mike: Yeah, to your point on this NIL deal stuff, I think we got to start educating parents on what NIL means and where it's going. Right now, for every 100,000 followers these kids have, they get more money. ⁓ And I think once parents understand that, they're not going to have a problem with what we're doing. Jason Corley: 100%. Mike: It's funny, our nine new kids, we bring on a young team, we have the conversation with the coach, hey, tell your parents, the ones that are comfortable with it, go ahead and create Instagram accounts and we'll start tagging your players in it whenever they make good plays. Because man, you talk about a nine year old, if they stay with us throughout their career, they'll have a massive following just because of the amount of content that we put out for them. Jason Corley: Yeah. Yeah. Mike: I totally see us doing ⁓ content classes for parents and players on how to create content that will get in the algorithm to get you more followers. that's almost positive. We're going to offer that as a Zoom call or in-person class. At some point, we're going to roll that out. I don't know when, but it's just part of Jason Corley: I think that's incredible. I've never thought about that, but to offer, there's a lot of recruiting services available in this world. We all know that. ⁓ mean, know, Coach Beam has one that's incredible. There are very few people coaching these families and coaching these kids on how to handle and take advantage of the social media. Cause it's not, like we said, Mike on the phone, it's not going anywhere. You're not going to stuff social media back into the bottle. Jacob Moreno: That is. Mike: Yeah. Yeah. And it's getting easier to create with AI. mean, you know, some of the graphics I've seen put out there, like I know they're AI because they look so clean and sharp. You know, I can tell because we do a lot of it, but like most people can't tell it's AI and you can create it in 10 seconds. That's the incredible part. So yeah. Well, the logo, the logo you guys used on your flyer that was generated with AI. threw our black and white logo in there. Jason Corley: Yeah. Right. Jacob Moreno: I always get got with AI shit, man. That shit always gets me, I'm like, ⁓ AI, man. Jason Corley: Yeah. What's on about the one with the, two faces like the caricature? Mike: The graffiti one that you guys did that graffiti DK logo that you guys used on your flyer Yeah, yeah Jacob Moreno: the one you used today. Jason Corley: ⁓ yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I just grabbed it from something. I just grabbed it off of you or yeah, I took, I took one of, took one of your guys's, I took one of your Instagram posts from DK. ⁓ there was that logo. I took that. And then I took a screenshot picture of you and told AI to make me a flyer announcing you coming on the podcast. Right. Jacob Moreno: Yeah, off of probably one of their. Mike: Yeah. What a Facebook or something. Yeah, it looks great. I think I commented like, hey, great art. This is awesome. What I was saying is that logo, that DK logo, I took our original logo and I threw it into AI and said, hey, I want a graffiti version of this. It took a couple of different tries, but we nailed it after like three attempts. So I mean, if you can make a logo like that, you know, in a minute and a half, like it's only getting easier. So. Jason Corley: Yeah, it's here. Right. Right. Yeah, yeah, no, I agree with you. ⁓ I was, I was going to ask you something about, I was going to ask you something about that. Damn it. ⁓ Something along those lines of, of, ⁓ shoot. What was it? I have it here. Hold on a minute. got to see, let's see here. Jacob, you got something? Jacob Moreno: Come on, old man. Yeah, I do. ⁓ So you guys got the gloves. So this all started with the gloves. Mike: Yeah, it started as a glove brand. Jacob Moreno: So were you the, now are you, were you the one, the brains of the glove brand? Mike: Yeah, me and another guy, my business partner Dylan, we were on the tournament business together and I said, hey, we have this massive network of players. Let's figure out a way to make some more money and sell them gloves versus them having to go to 44 or Aria or. Jason Corley: area is Mike: Yeah, so. ⁓ Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Mike: So yeah, mean, and it didn't really go anywhere. So I was like, well, what can we do to promote this and kind of get it out there? And okay, let's back some teams and we'll outfit them with gloves and social media the shit out of it and just see what happens. it just, like I said, just totally went a whole different direction. So I'm just kind of running with it. For anybody that is wondering, I'm totally making this up as I go. So we're learning as we go, we're figuring it out as we go. Jason Corley: Some of the greatest things are created that way, So I mean, for sure. Um, so I, I, I see now remember what I wanted to ask you. Um, and that was, talked earlier about, um, I have two, I have two very important questions. One of them is way more important than the other one. You talk about, you guys run your own tournaments, right? You know, this is coming. You know, this is coming. When you run your own tournaments, you make people stay in order to play. Mike: Yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Jacob Moreno: I know where this is going. Jason Corley: Yeah. Mike: I have four events that I do that for. ⁓ Jason Corley: Okay. Can you, can you shed some light on what the purpose is of this? Can we hear from an organizer? Jacob Moreno: Yes, can we hear from from a direct of organized side? Mike: I'm gonna give you my reason to do it. I don't know why everybody else does it. I'm almost positive it's to generate money. for the four events that I run, these are what I call specialty events. We run ⁓ a tournament called the Armed Forces Brawl. We run a tournament with Marvel and we run a tournament that mimics the world baseball classic. ⁓ Those events are so big, need help from the city to get it facilitated. And so the trade off is they want heads and beds in order to get the park for these. So. Jason Corley: results. Okay. Explain that though. You have to, there, you have to have some sort of insight. Why does the city care if the hotels are being rented out or not, or if it's an Airbnb? that's what I don't get. Mike: So every city, so there's a, every state has a hotel tax, has a gas tax, has a, when they build a brand new stadium ⁓ in a big city, what do they tax? They tourism, right? The tourism tax. So the hotels are a part of the tourism tax. And because that hotel sits in your city, you get the tax revenue from the hotel tax. So. Jason Corley: Cigarette attack. Hospitality. Okay. Jacob Moreno: Yeah, the tourism. Mike: That's why cities care is because they get the tax off of the nightly stay, whatever the tax is. It might be $25 and not the same. They get that tax return. Jason Corley: Okay. So because, because you need, because you need their support in the field access, then they then are pushing back on you. Okay. That's fine. But we need those, those four, ⁓ don't Baymont ins. need them. We need those to be associated with it. So, okay. So this isn't, this isn't, this isn't genuinely then, ⁓ this it's, it's not a kickback to you. So we have, Jacob Moreno: That makes sense now. Mike: It's not a money grab. No, no, I will say there. Yes, there. So there is a revenue stream from that. I'm going to be completely honest. ⁓ I do get a. Jacob Moreno: That's what we call it. Jason Corley: well you know we've very outspoken about that Mike: It's like a small fee. think it's five, sometimes it's five, it depends on the hotel. Sometimes it's $5 a night, sometimes it's 10, or it also depends on who you contract out to do that work for you that goes out and finds the rooms. But essentially the hotels will give you X amount of dollars for driving business to their hotels. So yes, we do make money off of it. I... Jason Corley: Are you going on the cruise or are putting that back in the tournament? Mike: No, I put it back in the tournament. So what we use the hotel money for is to put up umpires, to put up coaches that can't afford it, to maybe help out a player that can't afford it. We don't pocket that money. We put it back into the event. Now, I can't speak for everybody else. I'm just telling you how we do it. Jason Corley: ⁓ You Can you use, would you be able to use that money? And maybe I'm, maybe I'm helping you brainstorm this, but ⁓ like, think that parents, I think that, well, I shouldn't say I think, I know that I would co-sign a stay to play event if the organization came to me and said, listen, with a stay to play event, there's a fee that's attached to every head that's in a bed in these hotels. That money is directly going to a contract agency that is going to promote this tournament through media and through content and through content creation of every age group of all the entire tournament. And we're going to promote the shit out of this tournament. Why aren't they doing stuff like that? Mike: Well, at end of the day, your organizations like PG and others, they're multi-million, million, million dollar businesses and they're running a business. They don't care that it's not a wreck. I don't think it's that one. Jason Corley: 700 million by the way 700 million last year no it was and it was 94 million listen 90 94 million just in apparel Jacob Moreno: Yeah, we've looked this up. No, is with all their entities. Mike: Okay. Well. Jacob Moreno: But with all their entities, with their media and all that, it comes out, it's over 500 million. We looked it up. Mike: Yeah. And again, like how you feel about it, they're running a business and they're not shy about telling you they're running a business and whether, and I think this is the thing that parents that participate in baseball need to understand. Youth sports is a business and there's several ways to conduct a business. But at the end of the day, it's a business. And I think the biggest hang up is that parents start out in rec where it's free, right? And or next to free. There's no gate charge. There's no gate charge. It's like 160 bucks at most to play. And they get used to that for a couple of years and then they dip their toe into. Jason Corley: And it's not good enough. Mike: travel ball and now there's all these expenses. We have to pay for coaches, we have to pay for practice facilities, we have to pay for practice fields, we have to pay to play in the tournaments, we have to pay a gate fee and they just don't understand that nobody that works in this wants to do it for free. Now, you have some dads that are really great coaches that will coach for free. But when you want to be a part of these larger organizations, typically the coaches are paid because you want development. I say it like this because they are developing your kid, but you don't know what kind of development you're getting unless you're really, really savvy about baseball. And most parents are not savvy at all about baseball and they don't know what they're getting. Jason Corley: ⁓ I know, yeah. You don't know the development you're getting until they compete against another kid that, quote unquote, has been developed. And you find out, well, shit, that one's been developed a little bit better than mine. Mike: Well, but here's the other part to that. Sometimes that kid's just a better athlete than your kid. They don't have anything to do with development. They just got better eye-hand coordination. They're a little bit quicker. They're a little bit stronger. They're a little bit taller. Like, it has nothing to do with You've developed the shit out of a kid, and they're still not going to be better than the other kids. It's just a flat-out athlete. so... Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Jason Corley: Yeah, that's very true. That's very true. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Mike: For me, if I had like the perfect, I guess I do have the perfect platform today to explain to parents, you're not paying for development, you're paying for an experience. Flat out, simple. Jason Corley: Okay. No, I, this is the first time I've heard that. That's not the first time I've heard this. Jacob Moreno: You know what, you know what, I'm gonna say this because ⁓ that's, you you're saying something publicly that a lot of people won't say because they are, I've heard. Jason Corley: So. Mike: I can say that because I'm not pitching, I'm not selling development. Jacob Moreno: Yeah, because I've heard other guys say what you said, but then they speak to a new team or a new family coming in and they first thing is, we develop well. Jason Corley: So let me tell you guys a story. Let me tell you a quick story. So a couple of years ago, I'm sitting in a hotel room. Okay. And I'm with HUD. I believe I'm with HUD because I think Lindsay was with Brooks at a different tournament and my phone rings and it's a coach. It's a coach from a non-travel ball. Okay. And this coach calls to apologize to me because there was a glorified rec meeting where I was used as an example of what not to do. Okay. Let's just put it that way. And this coach calls crying because he was literally crying on the phone and he wanted to apologize. Now, Grant, listen, me and this guy to this day are great now because he did make the phone call, but he called in tears because he felt so bad that he had said publicly to this group of coaches, if you want an experience, go be a hit dog. If you want to play baseball, you'll play here. and he felt bad because it was more less he told me he said it was it was a lot of it was on a jealousy jason he said it really because he doesn't know he doesn't know the hit dog program he didn't know anything about it and he also knows that if the hit dog program where to play his program i don't know if those kids get on base against us so i it was a it was a pure jealousy thing but that's not the first time i've ever heard that when it comes to the experience and some of these national programs are just really good at selling a better experience Mike: Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, as a parent, if you didn't play baseball competitively, if you don't know the game inside and out, you're not paying for development because you don't know what development is. You don't really know what it looks like. And let me tell you something about development. I'm not saying our coaches don't develop, but here's what I know. I have one, two, three, four, five. Six fixing to be six. have six teams that are all ranked inside the top 50. Five of them that are ranked in the top 10. And not one of those coaches is paid. Not one of those coaches is holding practices or giving lessons two, three times a week to the same kid. They have practice, they go play. And those coaches are just solid baseball guys. They teach the game of baseball and the limited like our 13-year team practices once a week. They practice once a week, that's it. It's on the kid to go do their own development outside of that practice. Because at the end of the day, and you don't know this until you play at a high level, and most parents have never played at a high level, in order to develop, you have to be in love with the game. And I'm sorry, but 9, 10, 11 year olds are not in love with whatever game they're playing. Most 12, 13, 14 year olds are not in love with the game they play. You have to study film. You have to work out. physically like lift weights, do speed and agility, you have to be a student of the game. So if you want to develop and you're not doing those three things on your own, you're just paying for an experience because there's no, you can't tell me that that coach is going to develop your kid three hours a week in practice. It's not possible. It's not possible. Jason Corley: They can't, they can't develop a work. They can't develop a work ethic. They can't develop eating habits. They can't develop any of that stuff. That's on the kids. Mike: And not only that, but from the mental side of things, baseball is... Baseball IQ is probably more important than baseball ability. And a lot of people don't understand that. And that's not just baseball, it's all sports. Your IQ of the game has so much to do with how you perform on the field. most parents don't understand that because they didn't play sports. Jacob Moreno: Yep. Mike: They just didn't play. that's not, I'm not saying this, I'm not trying to downgrade any program or any coach or any parent. just, there is a reality to this. And the reality is that you can talk development all you want. You can give as many lessons as you want. You can do all the things, but if that kid's not in love with that sport and not doing it on their own and not living, eating and breathing it, they're not really developing. And that's just the God's honest truth about it. Jason Corley: Yeah. Yeah. you know coach beans any other day on the podcast art no wasn't coach being jake it was bobby he said that what i'll never what number he's he gave us the game is some some stat that at fourteen this certain percentage of kids are quitting the game and i have been chewing on that since that podcast i've been chewing on that and i've been thinking of myself because i'm watching i'm watching my two i'm watching my two boys and i'm telling you right now that i don't think Jacob Moreno: It was Bobby. So, Mike: He's right. Jason Corley: i don't think that the parents shitty parents or shitty coaches or picking the wrong tournaments has nearly as much to do with them quitting the game as then just quitting the game because this game i feel like the game of baseball it is still for a hundred years because it is not basketball it is not football it is not soccer it is not fast-paced enough why do think all these kids want to be shortstop in a catcher in a picture because they want to be in the game nonstop and you mean and it's just one of those things were like what you're saying mike is is that unless you're absolutely ⁓ up obsessed with head over heels of that's what this it's your your your pain for the experience because the kid would be learning on his own he'd be he'd be instead of him scrolling you know ⁓ youtube shorts and and looking at it basketball plays in dunks they'd be looking at three to pitch counts Mike: Yeah. Jacob Moreno: head over heels. Mike: Really? I'm absolutely in love with the game of baseball. It turns out that I was a better football player than baseball player. There aren't too many 275 pound baseball players out there, but I just happen to be a better football player and I coach football not because I love football, but I understand it more because I played it more. I studied it more, right? in love with, but I'm baseball. I tell people all the time, baseball has always been my first. Jacob Moreno: Hahaha! Mike: I've never stepped on the field to officiate a football game, but I've been officiating baseball for almost 30 years and I don't do as much as I used to but it never fails. Somebody always doesn't show up on me and I gotta step on the field in street clothes and call a game. So I just keep getting to add years to that that resume. So ⁓ it's one of those like you. So I'll just, I'll use my son as an example. When my son turned 14, I stopped pushing him to go get better at baseball. I said, now this is your journey. You're going to take it wherever it goes with what you want to do. I'm done pushing you. Like I can't, I can't force you to be in love with this. I can't force you to do this. And I think the advantage that I have and that other parents that played have We lived it. I don't need to relive it through my kids. I experienced it myself. don't need to... Johnny doesn't need to wear the cleats because I never got to or because I never got back. Yeah. Jason Corley: us we saw it. It's way easier for us to recognize that non-love. Mike: Right, yeah. For sure. And I had to have that hard conversation with my boys. this is your journey now. You're responsible for your outcomes. I'll take you wherever you want to go, but I'm not going to push you. I'm not going to say, hey, you got to get up and go to workout. That's on you now. That's your journey now. I've lived it. So I can speak from experience. My son played a year of college baseball. He decided he was done after that. And now he works for, know, Jason Corley: 100%. Jacob Moreno: Mm-hmm. Mike: for DK and PPS. so ⁓ he might can call it nepotism, but he's really good at what he does. So I got other people trying to hire him away from us. Yeah, he really is. Jacob Moreno: Mm-hmm. Jason Corley: Hey, he's in a great industry. He's in a great industry. It's only getting bigger and it's only gaining more respect. ⁓ Coach, in closing, I want to ask you something. We talked about this on the phone and it's just something that a conversation came up between myself and my youngest coach. ⁓ With it being a new organization, okay, and you've got a very popular and very good 13U team. Jacob Moreno: Yes. Jason Corley: that within the next 18 months to 24 months, they're going to be looking for that bid to the WWBA. They're going to be looking for those bids that get them the exposure that sounds like this 13U team has got a few kids on there that could use that exposure and take advantage of it. How does a new organization like yourself, how do you guys compete with the national brands that have been established when it comes to getting those few bids Mike: Sure. Jason Corley: Why would I bring my 15 year old over to you if I'm not sure you're gonna be able to get him the exposure in Jupiter? And I'm just asking, I don't know. Mike: Yeah, no, it's a great question. But here's what I think parents also need to be educated on. If your kid can play, they will find you. It doesn't matter if you're playing 2A baseball. It doesn't matter if you're playing 6A baseball. It doesn't matter if you're in a powerhouse or it doesn't matter if you're on a team that hasn't won a game in 30 years. If you can play, they will find you. You don't have to chase nationally branded teams. You don't have to chase Jason Corley: I love that. Mike: tournaments, you don't have to chase tournament providers. You can play wherever and if your kid can play, they will find you. I can say that confidently because I played division three football and we had a couple guys go pro. it's very uncommon for division three kids to go pro, but it happens because if you can play. Jason Corley: Especially back then when there no cameras. Mike: Correct, and the saying is true, if you can play, they will find you. It doesn't matter what the sport is. It doesn't matter if it's golf, football, basketball, baseball, volleyball, track. It does not matter. If you can play and you're competing, they will find you. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Jason Corley: Man, I can't think of a better way to end that. That was incredible. Jacob, do you have anything? Jacob Moreno: Yeah. No, man. just want to say, man, like, you know, social media thing, everything you guys are doing, you know, just keep going, man. I mean, we like it. It's funny because a couple of nights ago, Brantley sent me some on Instagram. He has an Instagram, so he sent it to me. And it was one of your 13 new players. And it was, you know, and he's like, daddy's like, look at them jerseys. He goes, those are so clean. He's like, that purple is so clean, man. So, I mean, it's even catching his eye. Mike: So. Jason Corley: Yeah. Yeah. My, my eight year old, I think he used the term low key fire, whatever that is. Jacob Moreno: But. Mike: So we're unfortunately on noting terms because I'm hanging out with too many kids, but yeah, man, like I said. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Jason Corley: Yeah. Yeah. Brooks, Brooks, Brooks literally said, dad, low key fire. was like, okay, I'm going to take that and Mattel coach. So. Jacob Moreno: Yep. Yep. ⁓ Mike: Yeah, huge shout out to Matt Solis for that. He stays on top of what's trending with the kids love. And man, we're really blessed, man. Like I said, we're just kind of making this up as we go. I'm excited to be along for the ride. Jacob Moreno: You guys are doing a good job. Mike: I love watching these kids compete. I love being out there on the field with them. I can't stand watching them the stands behind the fence just because I've been on the field for so long coaching and officiating. So if I can't be on the field, I'd just rather stay at the house. But so it's great to be out on the field with those guys and celebrate. Jason Corley: Jacob, maybe that's Jacob. Maybe that's your move. Maybe your move is to just stay home since you're not coaching long. Mike: Yeah. ⁓ Jacob Moreno: No, you know I can't stay home. Jason Corley: Oh, well, listen, coach, thank you so, so very much. I really honestly, I appreciate you giving us your time. I appreciate you blessing us with your friendship. I wish you nothing but immense, immense success going forward. And I, you know, I just ask you just please, please, please stay in touch. We will be in Dallas. We will be in Dallas at the, middle of July for the PGI. So I don't know if you guys will be there, but if you are, I would love to take you there. Yeah, we'll be there. Jacob Moreno: The time. Mike: appreciate it. here. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Mike: Yeah, yeah, we'll be there. Awesome. Well, yeah, come soon. I'll take you get some Dallas barbecue. Yeah. Jason Corley: ⁓ and ⁓ it's right before ⁓ Jacob Moreno: We'll be in Dallas. We'll be in Dallas. Jason Corley: Yes, I would love to. I would love to. I'd love to sit down again and see how, and see how, what's that? Jacob Moreno: Hearty eight. Hearty. Mike: No, heart-ate ain't it. Heart-ate's not it. Jacob Moreno: That's the only place I've ate when I go to Dallas to go watch the Cowboys. Mike: We'll take you some good barbecue, but it ain't a heartache. Jacob Moreno: Okay, there it is. Jason Corley: Okay. All right. All right. Well, it's a date. Listen, man. Thank you so very much. Best of luck this year and let's stay in touch. And I want to check back in with you when we get to Dallas and see how the year has progressed. And, ⁓ yeah, tell your, tell your team and tell your boys, they're absolutely killing it. Mike: Sure. I appreciate it. Thanks for having me. I think we can do it live at the field. Jacob Moreno: Maybe do a podcast together. Jason Corley: You know. You never know. I don't know, that or we might be sued by then to shut down. knows? Steve Mike, thank you, buddy. All right. Jacob Moreno: There you go. hahahaha Mike: ⁓ Thanks guys. Have a good one. Jacob Moreno: Thanks about, see you, have a good. Jason Corley: I knew it was going to be good. I told you, I told you, I told you he's going to be great. Yep. Jacob Moreno: That was a good one. That was a good one. That's a good one, Jason Corley: I can't wait to clip that part where he goes, you know what? Fuck it. I'm just going to say it. Jacob Moreno: Yeah, me too. Jason Corley: I was just like, I've been there, buddy. I know that feeling. I know that feeling without a doubt. Jacob Moreno: Yep. Yep. Jason Corley: you can tell he's from my, you tell he's from my era where he is, ⁓ he's, ⁓ he's, he's jaded little bit. Like, you know, does that make sense? And I don't want to mean like, don't that in a bad way. mean that. Jacob Moreno: Not in a bad way, no. Jason Corley: No, I mean that in a good way of like he knows what he, knows, he knows who he is. He's comfortable in his own skin and yeah, he has a way of living his life. He has a way of doing his own business and bro, I like, I, that's what I'm saying. Like I get, I get him like he, he's blazing his own trail. No offense. Don't take offense, it. Jacob Moreno: Yep. He's got his own blueprint, man. Yeah. Yeah. Jason Corley: I don't need to appeal to everybody. Don't need to. And those that I do. No, I, I love, yes. So I love his energy. love, I love everything that he's doing. I think that what he's doing is incredible. you and I both are fans of that program now because of what they're doing with, ⁓ with their, with their social media presence, because it folks. Jacob Moreno: Yeah, yeah, I'm not out here to be everybody's friend, but whoever wants to jump on, let's go. Jason Corley: I understand that a lot, know, Jacob and I complain about a lot of things, but at end of the day, ⁓ I am in the media world, so I do appreciate it. So, ⁓ Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I want to give ⁓ Rocky a shout out, man, for hooking us up with him and getting us together to be able to do this podcast tonight with him. Jason Corley: Shout out to Rocky. Thank you, Rocky for doing that. ⁓ dude, I just got something here. got it. Breaking ⁓ news, breaking news, bro. on. Breaking news. ⁓ dude, did you see this? Okay. Breaking news. ⁓ Jacob Moreno: What'd hear? Jason Corley: Green River Whiskey has a honey blend. Jacob Moreno: No, you're right. did see, I did see something about the, yes. Jason Corley: Did you see that? Holy shit, okay. I've never been real big on honey like any like the only thing that I like honey in is my honey wheats cereal trying to think what else? ⁓ cornbread, hot tea, cornbread, gotta have honey on my cornbread. But outside of that, like I'm not a huge honey guy. ⁓ so this will be different, but I'm kind of excited about this. I'm not gonna lie. Jacob Moreno: Tea, hot tea. Yeah, so my, you know, I was reading the thing earlier and I was like, ooh, this might have to be a try. This might be a little fall. Jason Corley: Yeah, yes, I could see that for the fall. Yeah, without a doubt. Jacob Moreno: for the fall, a little fall whiskey when it's little brisk outside. Jason Corley: Yeah, it'll be interesting because I have discovered, you just, have you figured out which, which flavor or what you seem to tend to go to? Because I've got mine. Jacob Moreno: ⁓ I tend to go to the Bardstown, but I have yet to try a Green River yet. So I haven't tried one yet. So, I mean, I don't know. Jason Corley: Okay, see you not me. I think I told you that. Okay, okay. I, ⁓ the, the Bardstown for, well, first of all, I don't know about you, but I'm not a bourbon connoisseur. So this is all new to me. And I'm, basically, I'm, I'm kind of like self-educating myself. Now my brother-in-law is, ⁓ both of my brother-in-laws are very much bourbon connoisseurs. So they know what they, they know what they know and they know what they like kind of thing. ⁓ I have both made sure that, or I have made sure that they both have had samples of said, of said. Jacob Moreno: Yeah, me too. Mm-hmm. Jason Corley: Of said, ⁓ yeah, I've said wetness and, I have found that I tend to gravitate more towards the green river. It's a sweeter. It's not quite as my palette can't quite take the, I don't know the 500 proof Bards down. you know what I mean? So, ⁓ I will be excited to see, you know, I will be excited to see what the honey version tastes like because. Jacob Moreno: you Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Jason Corley: We actually knew this was coming. We didn't know when, but then the breaking news just hit, ⁓ this popped in. So I will be interested to try that. Plus I saw the price point bro. That, that doesn't, that doesn't suck. Jacob Moreno: Yep, just popped in so... Yeah, no, not at all. That one bit I looked at and I was like, hold on, what? How much? Jason Corley: Yeah. Yeah. That for what was it? 94 proof. 94 proof is what I saw on that thing. So it'll be, we'll have to get our hands on some of that. We still now listen to, to Bardsdown. If you're listening out there, you could change my mind maybe with a little dab of silver Oak. Like, I mean, let's not rule out Bardsdown until I try, you know what I mean? Well, the entire, you know, all the rungs of the ladder, let's just, let's just give it a whirl. So Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. the top of the top. Yeah. Yeah. Jason Corley: ⁓ we got a, ⁓ we got a cool thing. it last night? Yeah, it was last night. Yeah. Jacob Moreno: Yeah, it was last night. was a, you know, one of the guys that were our very first guest, Sean, from the pickup portal was out to eat with his wife and he, and he, he sent us a picture last night of him at the bar and he takes a picture at the green river. He goes, and I'm looking for the Bardstown and I. Jason Corley: Yeah, Sean. Yeah. I was going to say shithead Sean. I was going to say was going to say shithead Sean. Well, the very first text that he goes, cannot not see it. Jacob Moreno: Yeah, I cannot not see it now. Jason Corley: Yeah. And I've gotten those too. Like people are like, I, I, every time, like if I sit down at the bar and I'm looking up, you know, I mean, it's shelf, he's like, I immediately, I'm like, huh, there it is. Huh. There it is. You know what mean? Which is exactly, which is exactly the point. So, you know, yeah. Jacob Moreno: Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep and then he sent us a picture of sitting down with the holding the bottle of Bardstown. So you know Sean would appreciate the picture. Jason Corley: Yeah, now I think he was on the I think he was on the bottle of Green River. Jacob Moreno: No, it was Bardstown, because he wanted Bardstown. Yep. Yeah. Jason Corley: Was it, mean, I posted the picture, so I don't know. Okay. All right. no, that's right. Cause he said that he hadn't had green river yet. Right. Jacob Moreno: Yeah, because he was looking for the Bardstone. He wanted Bardstone, not... Jason Corley: Right. And then he, right. He wanted you to give, he wanted you to give him yours next time you saw him, like you guys were going to run into each other at the IGA or something. You know what mean? Like, I don't know. Yeah. Right. So, but, uh, Sean, will, Sean, will like, uh, you're, you are a, you are a good friend. You do, you're yes. You've turned into the uncle of the show. Yep. Uncle Sean. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Yeah, right down the street, you know, nine hours away. But yeah, Yeah. Yeah. Jason Corley: Yeah. Uncle Sean, that's who it is now. Uncle Sean. Nope. Yep. So, ⁓ we, Sean, we will make sure that when I see you or when we see you, ⁓ we will, we will get you one. So, but, ⁓ yeah, I thought Mike was great, man. I knew it was going to be good. I had a, I had a good feeling about it. ⁓ you know, I, there were some things that I definitely want to talk about. I thought it was interesting. Are you proud of me? When I was like, do you make people stay to play? ⁓ You didn't know I was coming with that did you? Jacob Moreno: Uncle Sean is his name. You get one. Michael is great. Yeah, but you know what? No, as soon as you said when you run your own organization, my head went state of play. State of play, I know that's exactly where he's going. But you know what? I like this perspective on it. Yeah, yeah, me too. Jason Corley: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's. I liked his answer. I liked his answer. Yeah. He was honest about it and he was just like, yeah, there's, there's money. There's a kickback, but nobody's ever broke that down for us like that before giving us the, this is the hospitality tax in the state. So of course, if you're using fields that are owned by the city and they might not, and people, probably need to, we need to educate ourselves at this too. Okay. Just because the field is on a piece of ground. that has a name ⁓ of, keep, what is with me and the River Rats? I don't even know, but the River, I say it all the time as an example, but it's the River Rats home field. That ground is probably still owned by the city and there's taxes being paid to that. So. ⁓ Jacob Moreno: I don't know, you said that earlier on the phone and I was laughing. Yep. Yeah, cause there's not many organizations that really own, you know, quads of fields, unless you're a PG that has the money to go and just buy it up. Jason Corley: No, I mean we don't Well, even PG doesn't own diamonds daily park. Those dads own that. That's why it's called diamonds at daily park. PG just leases it. So yeah, it's, ⁓ it's all very interesting. It did shed some light as to, you know, ⁓ the, the funnel of where it's going and why it's getting used. ⁓ I thought I brought up a pretty good idea of saying you guys should use that to promote the tournament. Like use some of that was fun and tell the parents in it, like, Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Yeah. That is. Jason Corley: Hey, this is state of play and every $2 out of every of every head that goes into bed is going towards promoting your kid. So I mean. Jacob Moreno: Yeah, your kid, our organization and what we do. Jason Corley: Yeah, but I mean, you know, say, know, it's going to promote this tournament. So if your kid's playing it, there's a high likelihood that, you know, I mean, your kid's going to reap a benefit to us promoting the tournament. So, ⁓ I don't know. So. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Yeah. You know, you know what I found very interesting on that, on that with Mike, where he said they get content creators from all over the country, even some of Pottstown's creators. Jason Corley: What's that? Yeah, yeah. Yes. So he had, we didn't get into that. We talked about it on the phone. ⁓ you know, he talked to me about the Potsdam thing and I told him, I said, I'm to be real honest with you. said, Potsdam is not, it's a way bigger deal and other 12 year olds families than it is mine. ⁓ my kid. Yeah. Yes. He thinks it's cool. And yes, he would probably say yes. If the invite came to go play for Potsdam, but he's not living and dying with Potsdam. ⁓ Jacob Moreno: Mm-hmm. Jason Corley: He would much rather win a national championship with his buddies on his team. I can promise you that if you gave him the opportunity to go play for a year with a Pottstown crew or to win a national championship with his team, he's going to pick his team every day of the week because he doesn't want to leave Gino. He doesn't want to leave Joey. doesn't, you know what I mean? He doesn't want to leave those guys like, yeah, he thinks it's cool. And yes, that's, that's awesome. Like congratulations. You guys have great stuff and all of this stuff, but Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ Jason Corley: coach was explaining to me that like you don't even get an invite unless your kid has a social media presence of a certain like a certain status like they're not even so it has love you pots down I think what you're doing is great for the game but it's not based off of merit it's not based off of ability it's based off your social media presence because you might be the best athlete in the world but if you don't have a social media account you're gonna have to have somebody create one for you or else you're not going right so Jacob Moreno: Mm-hmm. Yeah, yup. Well, speaking of that, I mean, we did that camp this summer or this fall or no, it was this winter. You know, we took Brantley and wanted to do ⁓ the Pottstown camp out in Cleveland. Wherever Ohio, nope, nope, it was at Ohio premiere. Jason Corley: Was it at T3? Was it at T3? Okay. Okay, okay. Jacob Moreno: It was at Ohio premiere and we did the camp there. It was a good time, man. You know, fun. It was fun, but Brantley walked out like, ⁓ it was fun. Yeah, it was, you know, and whatever he had fun or whatever, but he was like, I don't have to do this again. Jason Corley: Right, he's over. Yep. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, know, and yeah, we touched Mike and I touched. didn't talk about this. We didn't get to this either tonight. But we also talked about the fact that, you know, he was he was his social media ⁓ savviness for the Diamond Kings and his vision was to take what Pottstown is doing and put it on steroids. And I told him, I was like, well, I was like, in my opinion, you know, from the outside looking in, this started with the, you know, the teams of Tennessee. Jacob Moreno: Tennessee, yeah. Jason Corley: uh... you know college baseball is the one that changed all of this when they started going sixty frames per second with a seventy to two hundred lens on the side and they flip that sony upside up on its end he started shooting you know sixty frames per second from the vertical point and putting that stuff on the the internet that changed the game major league baseball followed everybody of everybody followed and baseball became intimate with the lens of the camera Jacob Moreno: Yes. Jason Corley: It was no longer just wide angle shots of baseball and then zooming in on a highlight. It was these moments in these emotions of watching. didn't even have to see, you didn't even have to see Paul skeins in LSU. You didn't even have to see where the ball went. just, you just got him throwing the motion on the mound. You know I mean? At 200 millimeters at 60 frames per second. That changed the, they changed everything. It changed the entire look and feel of baseball. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jason Corley: and it and anything that happens up there trickles down to us in youth baseball Jacob Moreno: Yeah. And it, I mean, it happened at Tennessee. So then it trickled up. It went up the spout to the major league. Like, but. Jason Corley: Right, Yes, yes. Where Major League started started doing Sony 8Ks on the field, run around with the bases with you, with the guys, you know what mean? All that kind of stuff. yeah, so I listen. Go ahead. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. But shout out to him, man. They're doing a good job. That's what I was, you that was going, they're doing a very, you know, fantastic. ⁓ yeah. I mean, I told you from the get go, I wanted to have him on. And you know, once we got in contact, I, you know, I text you and you're like, wow, but about time you did something on your end. Let's get him on. Jason Corley: yeah yeah so i want to have a month Yeah, Jacob, well done. Jacob, Jacob, good job on booking this one, Jacob, good job on booking this one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so. All right, man, well listen, let's get out of here. We got an awesome guest coming on site. Bro, we just keep, we just keep. Jacob Moreno: He, ugh. And he gave us a shout out. Jason Corley: What do mean? Jacob Moreno: on the, on his video where he got the question from. You sent me the video. No, he did. Jason Corley: He even realize he was giving us a shout out. Like, no, he said, because that was before we ever talked. Jacob Moreno: ⁓ okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Jason Corley: So he made that video like, I don't know, two weeks ago, three weeks ago. And he said, I found this podcast. He was, I think it's called Travel Dad's Podcast. I just sent you the video cause I found it cause I was going through his feed. you know, and then he, yeah, he reached out and he was just like, Hey, I would love to talk to you guys about what's going on because he's involved with Texas. Dude, we must be in the algorithms in Texas, brother, because Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Yeah. I think we are. Jason Corley: There's diamond Kings and now we've got 12th man affiliation coming up. So, which is kind of funny because when we talked to Sunday's guest, him and I actually have a connection from the archery industry that we found out. So, ⁓ yeah, he's actually a professional guide also, and he has a hunting ranch. So, ⁓ yeah. So it'll be, I'm looking forward to that one. I think he, I think he, I think he wrote, ⁓ like an online playbook for rec programs to follow. is what I. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Go! Okay. ⁓ Jason Corley: Yeah. So I think he developed a program that if you're a rec program, ⁓ and you need help trying to figure out how to navigate and set a curriculum, he put one together for rec programs across the country and for, ⁓ yeah, I went onto his profile and he's got like a link tree and I think it was in there. So I want to talk to him about that and his videos, if you guys aren't following him on Instagram, it'll be interesting cause you guys can. Jacob Moreno: Navigate. Yeah. Jason Corley: can follow him on Instagram. ⁓ and, ⁓ he just does questions and answers. He just answers people's questions all the time and he does a good job of it. So other than that, but, ⁓ all right, man, let's get out of here. I can hear the rain pouring outside again. So, ⁓ yeah, outside of that little talk, ⁓ we'll talk later. Okay, buddy. Love you. See you. Bye. Jacob Moreno: ⁓ Yep. Talk later this week. All right, man. Love you. See ya.