Jason Corley: what ⁓ is going on everybody? Welcome to the travel podcast brought to you by Bardstown bourbon and Green River whiskey. I am your host Jason Corley alongside my me go Jacob Moreno: Jacob Moreno. Bienvenidos a otro episodio de Travel Dance Podcast. Jason Corley: Bro, tonight, it's on. It's on. We have got a good one tonight. Folks, we're about to be joined at any moment. Actually, probably, we probably have about, I don't know, 10 minutes maybe before he joins us. But we've got a guest tonight, man, that I am stoked about. I am absolutely stoked about. Just because I think it's gonna bring, man, I think this is gonna bring an... Jacob Moreno: It's on. It's on. We got a good one tonight, man. Jason Corley: You and I are trying to give different perspectives and I know that our opinions get, this thing gets flooded with our own personal opinions. Jacob Moreno: Yeah, I mean, we talk about it a lot for ourselves and what we see and you know what us as dad see and I mean, I think the guests we're going to have tonight we're going to see from his side. You know, in Jason Corley: Sorry, I was just sending them a text telling them that we're ready to go. Jacob Moreno: No, you're good. No, you're good. We're gonna see from somebody that's been there. And he did it from the inside out, where now he's doing it from the outside in. Jason Corley: Yeah, and I feel... Yeah, and I feel ⁓ like a lot of the conversations we have, we're having with zero experience. Jacob Moreno: zero experience and a little bit of knowledge that we've picked up on the way. Jason Corley: Yeah, let me say, let me rephrase that. ⁓ A lot of experience of what we're doing with very little knowledge, if we're doing it. That's a better way put it, because I would say that, you know, ⁓ what is it? It's like, it's like, I don't know, you might know you're, you would know better than I am. It's like a truck stop hooker. It's Jacob Moreno: Yes. Yep. You didn't know? I would not know that! I would not know that, so... Jason Corley: You know what mean? She's been in the game. She's been in the game in ⁓ a year. It's like 15 in dog years or something like that, right? Jacob Moreno: Yeah, yeah, but no, I wouldn't know that guy. So I'm not in that category. ⁓ The lot lizards. Jason Corley: You What do they call those lot lizards? Lot lizards, yeah. So I just, feel like tonight and even like with our conversation with Karen's and Hammond, Coach Karen's and Coach Hammond, you know, they're coming from it from the older boys perspective. So it's, it's a lot of experience of what to look forward to, but you know, trying to get them to wrap their brains around what it used to be like at 12. ⁓ I know it's kind of hard because they're so encapsulated with the last 24 months or the last 18 months. this will be, Jacob Moreno: Yeah, yup. And now they're, I mean, they're in it for the moment now, you know? I think the past is when they sit down and get to... Jason Corley: They're in it for the moment now. Jacob Moreno: What did you sit down and get to walk through memory lane with pictures and stuff that I mean it's first I'm sure for them it's kind of hard to. OK, this is what we did. You know what I mean? Like, because they're so wrapped up like you said in the now with you know their boys are older. They're in high school and then you go right into. Travel ball where you're trying to get them looks and scouts and. Jason Corley: Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And I want to give everybody a background real quick to the podcast for tonight. And that is, is that you guys all know by now, everybody that follows us, everybody that, that gives us encouraging notes and texts and stuff like that. We are not professionals at this, although I absolutely love this job. I absolutely love this job. And I pray with everything inside of me that it, that it grows into something that Jacob Moreno: Feedback. Mm-hmm. Jason Corley: All I can do is produce travel ball content for you guys. I hope so. That's cool. But ⁓ this is, we're not a professional production here. And so tonight I actually talked to Jacob before the pod, well, a couple hours ago, we kind of had a little breakdown of like how tonight was gonna go because I have spent, I've spent probably 12 hours going through notes of things that I want to ask him. Jacob Moreno: That's the plan, I mean. Yeah. Jason Corley: And they're questions that I know my best friend wants to ask them. So I'm thinking for us both. I needed to told Jake, I was like, I just need you to keep the conversation that you asked the engaging stuff. That is the follow up stuff. I want you to ask the follow up stuff that comes naturally because I want to be able to stay on track. I do not want to get off track with coach beam tonight. You know what I mean? Like I don't, I don't want to rabbit trail and find out we only covered two or three things and it's been like, I want to go through. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. I get it. Yeah. Jason Corley: this list of things that I have thought about because I'm 100%. Here he is. Here's coach right now. I'm going to tag him in like I'm WWE. Jacob Moreno: that you've worked on, mean, because you sat down and did research. Jason Corley: There he is, we're tagging him in. Oh, what is happening? What is happening, my man? Jacob Moreno: Alright. Chance Beam: What's up guys? Jacob Moreno: What's up man, how are ya? Chance Beam: God! The, ⁓ no, excited. actually was watching some of your, ⁓ one of your podcasts and you were talking about prices and why it, ⁓ why it's all over the place. And I was like, cause you got to pay bills and national teams don't pay fucking bills. Jason Corley: No shit. Yeah, ain't that the truth? Ain't that the truth? What? Jacob Moreno: Well, hold on, it depends. Chance Beam: And I don't have a daddy war buck, so everybody's got to pay. Jacob Moreno: It depends, it depends what national organization you're paying for, playing for. Because there's some that do pay. I know, I know, I know. Jason Corley: Yeah, that's true. Hey, we'll get there. Save it. Save it, you two. Both of you, save it. Save it. Folks, right now we are joined by legendary coach, Coach Beam. would you please introduce yourself to everybody? Give everybody a 30 second background on, because ⁓ know that you've, you started your, I don't want to say you started your career, but your coaching career started at East Cobb, which we all hold in very high regard, but there's so much more to it. And instead of me butchering it, you just do it for me. Chance Beam: Yeah, no, thank you. I'm excited about being on here. Watch your guys stuff. I'm a fan. I'm a fan, so I'm excited about being on here. And I love the angle that you're taking. You're just being honest. The unadulterated, tacky version of it is exactly what people need to hear. Absolutely. So my name is Chance Beam. I own Titan Sports Academy, B &B Custom Apparel, Top Velocity Kennesaw, and Recruited Made Simple. Jason Corley: Yeah. We're just idiots that are trying to figure it out. Chance Beam: call my career in this whole baseball business the great accident. So I was in mortgage and banking moved to Atlanta with if you ever need to figure out I'm really good at recruiting go look at my wife absolute smoke show so that's how I'm able to do this so I've always been good at recruiting and that was my first best number one a1a recruit so ⁓ Jason Corley: Yeah. OK. Jacob Moreno: You Jason Corley: You knew, you knew, hey, you knew you were the 1 % early on. Jacob Moreno: hahahaha ⁓ Chance Beam: Yeah, that's right. I knew I was it. So I started in mortgage and banking, suit and tie it every day. was downtown in high rises in Atlanta and I had a buddy of mine named Myles Shota and he contacted me and he used to be an agent for John Smoltz in the big leagues. So he calls me and he says, Hey, I got this kid's team over at East Cobb. You want to coach it? And I go, I don't want to coach kids baseball. just came from college baseball professional. was at University of Tennessee. We finished third in the country. I was at Carson Newman D2 school. had the national Division two national player of the year and I was like, oh, I don't want to coach kids baseball. And that's funny when you say that God laughs at you when you say never will I ever and 22 years later here I am. So it really took a life of its own of kind of being in this and and I'm a self-proclaimed I'm a business guy with a baseball addict and a problem. Jacob Moreno: Mm-hmm Chance Beam: And so that's kind of kept, I tried to get out and it keeps sucking me back in. ⁓ And so that's kind of how this thing started. And we've been so blessed. We've had, won 22 national titles, had 1200 kids go and play college professional baseball. ⁓ Jason Corley: It's not hold it it hold it the 22 national titles all in one organization multiple organizations explain that Chance Beam: So they're all within my Titans organization from the time that I was at East Cobb to we broke off and on our own and all that kind of good stuff. it's been a ride and it's been interesting because I've been obviously at the forefront of this and we're being at it. I can go driver driver to East Cobb. If you've ever been to East Cobb, you literally have driven right past my building, Titan Sports Academy right there on Kent Road. Jason Corley: How close is it to Kennesaw State University we were just at Friday? Chance Beam: You probably would go four drivers away and you're there two drivers from my place seniorities cop. We're really that close. So if you were at East, if you were at Kennesaw State, their new stadium, Brian Co man. Jason Corley: Okay. Great. Jacob Moreno: Okay. Jason Corley: We were across the street at the Hampton Inn. Chance Beam: Absolutely, so you're right around our place if you drove to East Cobb you went right past my place two-story brick building Titan Sports Academy we have the outdoor cages and field right behind it and Jacob Moreno: Yep. Jason Corley: Jacob, I'm pretty sure I know exactly what he's talking about. Jacob Moreno: So I'm picturing it in my head right now and I'm like, ⁓ yep, yep, at the bottom of the hill. Yep. Chance Beam: There's the two stoplights that are kind of back to back at the bottom of the hill right there. Yeah, that's place. Yep, big two storey brick building. Yeah. And so. ⁓ Jason Corley: It's brick. Is it a brick build- is it a brick- Is it a brick building? Yeah. Yep, I know where it is. Yep, I know where it is. Chance Beam: because I kind of live in the shadows, if you will, of East Cobb, I go driver driver at East Cobb, we're in East Cobb in this area, we're probably the Silicon Valley of travel baseball. And so you're at the epicenter of everything and there's travel organizations everywhere. And so what happens is you have to be very agile and you have to be very call sensitive. You've got to add value. So I would say of all the things we've been able to do, and I'm so proud of the guys and national championships, but I would say staying open for Jason Corley: ⁓ no. Chance Beam: 20 some odd years in this climate and it's a constant battle you're always sharpening your sword and making sure you're on your game or you become really irrelevant really quickly. Jacob Moreno: Yeah, I mean, obviously you're doing something right to be able to stay open that long. Chance Beam: Yeah. Jason Corley: Yeah. Hey, quick question. So first of all, everybody, I want everybody to know disclaimer. I sent coach beam the notes about, I don't know, eight hours ago because I didn't. This is not a, this is not a got you show. That's just not what we are. We are, we are just two doofuses trying to Chance Beam: But here's one thing not to stop you I have to stop you right there because when I saw your show the other day It made me go like these are my people These are my people and I was like who's the big head guy? I was like, right So I saw that and I was like, all right, these are my people right there and I was like, all right What is he now? I now was drawn in now. I have to listen what he had to say Jacob Moreno: Hahaha! Jason Corley: Hold on, it's right there. Jacob Moreno: Hahaha! Jason Corley: Yeah. Okay, so I sent coach I Yes, I sent coach the notes because this is not a got you show we are just trying to figure this out as we go along and Instead of us complaining about this on a tailgate in a parking lot at a tournament. We said well We just said we know we're not the only ones that had these questions and that's what started it So I do want to ask you this before I get into my notes, which I swear to God Jacob I've got to stay on track because I don't want to lose him Jacob Moreno: Appearance, appearance got you. like we did for years. I got you. Jason Corley: But I do want to ask this, what is it about Marietta, Georgia that is the mecca in the epicenter of youth travel baseball? What is it? Is it the culture? Is it the climate, the culture? is Chance Beam: It's, it's just got a head start. All right. So you look at, there's so many things that go into it. So I've had to have this conversation with my wife quite a few times, like, let's move to Knoxville. Let's move to Nashville. Let's move to Florida. Let's move to Houston. ⁓ socioeconomically, the North Metro area ⁓ more college ⁓ athletes than anywhere in the Southeast. You know, per capita, there's just a huge abundance of former athletes. that see the value in sports. Baseball is one of those sports for whatever reason. We obviously have the Atlanta Braves. Socioeconomically, you've got the whole Northern rim of Atlanta that's somewhat affluent and can afford this. ⁓ You have East Cobb, which was part of East Cobb for 10 years that, ⁓ you know, always somebody would wrote me a $12 million check and wrote and patted me on the butt and said, hey, build a complex before everybody else did it. ⁓ And it basically had a... you know, probably about a 15 to 20 year start into that. And then a lot of really good decisions were made along the way. you know, back in the days when I was at East Cobb 2003, 2009, you know, for example, Jason Hayward from Atlanta, Atlanta brave, he played at East Cobb. And I was talking to somebody just the other day, Jason came from the South side of town. If he would have played in 2026, he would have had to drive past 30 different travel organizations to get to East Cobb. It's just a different world, right? And so back then it was such a vacuum that the East Cubs and people like myself just sucked up those players and like to think we did a pretty good job with those players. And so it kind of perpetuated itself. But the biggest thing is it's just a head start. You had the big complex, you had really the only complex, and then it really got a head start and really kind of momentum going downhill. Jason Corley: Gotcha. Okay. ⁓ so what I want to start out with first off is, is, ⁓ I have a question and I've added a few things to these notes over the hour since I gave them to you. I'm just going to be honest with you, but there's nothing, there's nothing crazy. But one thing I added to these notes is, is how long have you been having these same exact conversations and how have the conversations changed over the years? And what I'm talking about is these conversations that we're having about the struggles with travel ball. How has this been going on for as long as you have been involved? Chance Beam: It just, for 22 years of doing this, there's always a struggle, there's always a battle, and you've got to keep in mind that it goes and even flows. And so, for example, four or five years ago, we were talking about, you know, everybody wants the multi-sport athlete and we got to have the multi-sport athlete and the multi-sport athlete are the way to go. The problem is, is the average mom and dad, no offense to the average mom and dad, they don't have the DNA. ⁓ to be able to play multiple sports and be really good at them at a national level. They don't have the time to do the training and so on. So the average kid that goes and plays multiple sports, end up being, I'd say, okay to below average in three different sports, where if they double down on one, they can be really good at it. And so that's an example. you also, we see guys coming in and out of the program, national programs, quote unquote, and then, you know, people coming through and they usually, Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Chance Beam: They have a daddy warbucks. They have somebody that's funding them and they think they're going to come in. They've got the world by the tail and they're going to pay for all this stuff. And the problem is, all businesses, I don't care if this is Delta, if it's Michelin, if it's Titan Sports Academy, your business is based on an ROI. At the end of the day, it is what it is. It's brass tacks. And so when you've got guys that are throwing this money and stuff, they're going to be like, Hey, I gave you X amount of dollars. Jason Corley: 100%. Chance Beam: Where is my ROI? You have very few guys that can drop down 15 to 12, 10, 15, 20 million dollars and be like. And so there's always a cycle of all of that constantly going on. ⁓ you've got, now we've kind of got into the Uber individualized and I would tell you, here's what I would say you, my hot take in five years. Jason Corley: without worrying about it. Right. Chance Beam: And five years from now, if you are a travel organization and you do not have player development part of everything that you're doing, you will be out of business. Jason Corley: What, so yes, but that, I swear to God, coach, that term gets thrown around more than exit velocity, development, development, development. What does that mean to you? Chance Beam: And so this... Alright, so it's used by parents means I want my player to develop, but that just means they want him to hit third and win. Jason Corley: Okay, yes? Yeah? Yeah? Yes. Jacob Moreno: Okay, makes sense, yeah. Chance Beam: Okay, that's what parents say. What I say as an organizational guy is that is your mobility, that's your understanding of how to group the kinetic chain, that's going to be like lifting, that's going to be your agility training that is specific to your sport. I'll tell you. Jason Corley: Baseball IQ. Chance Beam: And so that's kind of where I, I'll a quick story here. So I have a daughter now in college. She's a freshman in college. got a younger daughter just turned. She got a driving test today, which is kind of cool when you have to sit over there and shut up, like not say a word. And I have a hard time with that. And, and, I couldn't be hammered into it because that would be like a faux pas. So was like, I guess I gotta go sober and keep my mouth shut. So it was an act of Congress. So, but so my older daughter, Jason Corley: You can't catch that, you? Jacob Moreno: Hehehehehe Hahaha Jason Corley: Jacob we just figured out the only reason he's on here is cuz he knows he's getting a pack of care ⁓ Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Chance Beam: Now we're talking, now we're talking so... Jacob Moreno: It's gonna be a good one. Chance Beam: He was 12 and she was probably one of the top 10 pitchers in the entire country. And I'm like, man, I got this thing figured out. I want an academy. My kids really good. And all of sudden 12, 13, 14, 15, the field starts closing on her. And as a parent, we all do this. And this is what this entire industry is built on. And I'll tell you a little bit more is that we have this hopes and dreams for our kids and we'll do anything for them. So I started looking for, man, we got to lift and we were lifting and it wasn't moving the needle. And so I find a place out of Chicago called OGX that does Jacob Moreno: Closing now. Chance Beam: player specific, player performance training specific to softball pitchers. So within 18 months, she takes off, she's playing in college, at a high school she was ranked the number one pitcher out of the Southeast. I mean, just really, really good. And it owned on me, holy crap, I've got a kid that I saw this happen to and the importance of player performance training and how it changed her game. I own an academy and I miss that. If I missed it, our parents got no shot. Jason Corley: ⁓ Chance Beam: And so that's when I started going down the rabbit hole of going, all right, there's a difference between lifting weights and player performance training. And we only have so much time. They can only take so many ground balls and they can only hit so much. And so how, what are we doing to build a bigger engine? So I went down the rabbit hole, you know, there's tread, there's drive line, there's Texas baseball ranch and those places are incredible, but we're talking about high school amateur athletes. so. Jason Corley: Okay. Okay. Chance Beam: I was really, really selective in there and that's why we partnered with top velocity. And now I've gone through it and I've really seen it firsthand. Short story here, 22 guys I had in the fall that could commit to doing four to five days a week with doing top velocity. Now we got 150 guys in the program, we got football players on. I said, you guys are my test dummies. I need you to be able to, and we're only going to do what they tell us to do for three months. In three months, kids from 14 to 17 gained 10. On average gained five miles an hour. We had 14 year olds gain 10 miles an hour and we had 17 year old gain three. And here's the kicker. During that three month period, we never threw a plow ball. We never threw long toss and we never did running guns. Those are the three things that everybody talks about how, oh, this is how we gain velocity. And so obviously you can case studies. That blew my mind. Jacob Moreno: ⁓ Jason Corley: I mean, that's all I've ever heard is the new talks. Yeah. Yeah. Jacob Moreno: Yeah, me too. That's all I've ever known. Yeah. Chance Beam: Yeah. And so that's where I now I've seen the proof in the pudding and you know, I believe in it so much. My younger daughter is doing the top velocity program. Everybody in our program are doing it. It's a, and I, and I told my staff this, said, we have a head start because we're the first ones in Atlanta. That's truly ingratiated into every team. I don't care if you we've got, I got the Atlanta brave scout team. I got guys in Ohio, Michigan, California, New York, Texas, all over. If you were on my team, you have to do the top velocity program. and it allows us to be able to track them remotely. It's outstanding. Jason Corley: Well, it's, yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it's like, ⁓ it's like, it's like getting saved and finding Christ. Like, and once you find it and once you believe in it, then you want to spread the gospel and you're like, okay, listen, in my household, this is how things are going to get done. If you don't want, if you're not going to buy, buy, the Bible, then you're out. So I understand that. I understand it. ⁓ my, my question to you is this, ⁓ I have on here how to evaluate programs be beyond social media hype videos and tagging D1 commits. Chance Beam: That's right. That's right. Jacob Moreno: I I don't know what I'm doing. Come, thanks. Jason Corley: avoiding the hype driven decisions. all know the organizations, we all know of organizations that have ridden coattails of athletes who maybe have taken one lesson or maybe subbed in on one game for one tournament. And then all of a sudden those organizations tag themselves in their posts when they commit and all this other stuff. How do parents in your eyes, because you can't coach every parent, you can't coach every kid across the country. How do you advise him on picking the right one? Chance Beam: If I could wave a magic wand, what I would tell people is if I could recruit in reverse, it would solve so many things. So instead of recruiting the 16 year old kid to play for me that's 15, I wish that I could recruit a kid that's already went through the experience and now he's gonna do it again and they would make a lot of different decisions. And so I think the first thing there as a parent to say, give you a little more clarity is the parent has to, what's important to me and my family? Jason Corley: Explain that. Chance Beam: That's the first thing. What's important to me and my family? What do I want my kid to be around? What do I want them to understand? I would tell you this. I'm a firm believer in this and I really truly believe this is why we've been in business for 22 years. If you are paying for travel baseball to go and play in college or to be a pro or be a first round draft pick, you're wasting your time. Go do something else. You should be paying your money to learn accountability, responsibility. Jason Corley: Okay, explain that. Okay. Chance Beam: attitude, effort and integrity. That's what this is really about. The wise man plants seeds that he will never stand in the shade of. And as a coach, I constantly think of that all the time. Jason Corley: Okay, I have a question. I have a question, okay? What do you say, I'm just asking, what do you say to the parent that says, don't need my coach to teach my son character, I'll take care of that? I'm asking, I'm not asking. Jacob Moreno: Hmm Chance Beam: Sure, maybe we're not the program for you. Jason Corley: Okay, okay. Chance Beam: And that's kind of what, because I'm going to use the game of baseball as a vehicle to teach life. so what I would also say with that is when you're going through that process of selecting a team, need to be very eyes wide open of what you expect. Most times and not in travel baseball and softball, stress happens when there's not a congruence between our expectations and reality. And so when I'm going through that process of selecting a team, am I okay with how much we're traveling? Don't be upset about how much we're traveling when you signed up for it. ⁓ Is the coach swearing? Is he dipping and spitting in all the things? Hey, that's that he is who he is, right? That's what you signed up for. Are you looking for a situation where you're competing at a national level? Or do you want your kid to be the best player on the team? There's some people that want that. Are you okay with him maybe sitting a little more? Jacob Moreno: Okay. Jason Corley: Yeah. Yeah. Chance Beam: Are you looking for a scenario where maybe he's in the middle? And every kid, I've got two kids in my household and I got 400 kids in my program. Every single one of them are a very unique scenario and that parent has to decide what's right for them, their family and their kid. And I think many times people get caught up in the videos and the hype and the other stuff and they lose sight of what's important to them and their family. Jason Corley: Of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK, I want to ask you this. Let me see here, what should parents be searching for in the trial? We already we already got all that. ⁓ balancing development, which you just talked about, and balancing national exposure. How can you develop without playing top competition? So you just go. Jacob Moreno: Okay. Chance Beam: Well, I love this, I love this. I can't wait. So it's funny because all these national teams will say they play top competition. If you got the top team, who do you play in pool play? You play trash because the organization, the tournament organization, they want those national teams to meet up later in the tournament. So they spread everybody out. Jacob Moreno: Hahaha! Jason Corley: you Jacob Moreno: I saw his mouth salivate when you were reading that. Jason Corley: Yes. Yes. Chance Beam: And so you beat the first team 17 to nothing. In the next game, you beat somebody eight to one. And then the third game, the team's already out of it. You've already won your pool, but you can't allow any runs. So you still have to throw a good guy and you're going to beat the Twiddley Dinks 28 to four or three. Because if you gave up the fourth run, then you would drop from a two seed to a three seed. And everybody's like, ⁓ And so then you. Jason Corley: I hope you people are listening to this because this has never been more accurate ever. Keep going. Chance Beam: Is it, I telling lie? I literally have sat in the office and watched tournament schedules and pool schedules be put together and we'll leave names nameless. Those people make the phone call and people are taken out of pools, but in other pools and so on so that their pool was a little more representative. And so when you start to see weekend after weekend after weekend and you see Jacob Moreno: No you're not. Chance Beam: They run rule everybody. I've won 22 national titles. Here's how you win a national title. If I play seven, they used to play seven pool games back at the Worldwood bat. Now you play four or five. If I play four or five Worldwood bat, I've got a run rule two or three games in my pool play. I reduce my tournament down by an entire game, seven innings by doing that. So that's less pitching, less running on and off the field, all of that. Now I'm set up for a bracket play where everybody else. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Chance Beam: like me and the Titans and all the other teams, we're beating each other's heads in. And now I've got to go out and play this team. They basically had like three warmup games. The guy that's getting ready to play hasn't really pitched all week and I'm going to see 88, 89 and if, and you better hope that you're on your cues. If you are, got a shot, but. And if that team lose that weekend, well, that kid that pitched or that kid that made the error didn't get the hit, they're shipped off or maybe they stay on the team and they bring somebody in and there's gonna be another face at shortstop for pitching the next weekend. And again, not to say that's right or wrong, but that's the reality of the national teams. Jason Corley: that, you know, I mean it is worth living it right now. So, I mean, I, you're not telling me, I just hope that other people heard that from you because it sounds like it's always coming from us and I knew it to come from you. ⁓ how then, how then can we change the mindset coach of the parents that think that that's the only route though? Because I mean, I'm just, I'm just being blatantly honest with you where I know for a fact there are parents. Chance Beam: Yes. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Jason Corley: that some may be on our team, some may be on associate teams that I know of, that believe in their hearts, that if they are not playing in a PG event every freaking weekend, that they are going to be lost and that they're never gonna catch. Chance Beam: And I would tell, and so here's what I would tell you. There's four sides of this whole travel baseball thing. There's the family, parent player, the coach, the organization and the tournament organization. Okay. So you're just talking about the parent there. I have a working, I have a working the hypothesis that today's travel baseball is nothing more than modern day gladiators for our parents. Jason Corley: Yeah. Yeah. You didn't mention the kid. Jacob do know what that means? Hypotheses. Jacob Moreno: What? Yeah, it's a thought. you! ⁓ Chance Beam: So it's like, think that parents a lot of times are, they're wanting to go play in these perfect game events because it's their entertainment. It's their modern day gladiators that they want to go see their little gladiator go dominate because he grew earlier and he's got chin hair at 12. Everybody else is still watching SpongeBob and he's out there dicing them up. And I would. Jason Corley: Go ahead, coach. Okay. Jacob Moreno: So what you're saying, this is more about the parents getting the satisfaction than what you think it really is for the player's development. Chance Beam: I think that there's a couple aspects to it. Yes, the players want to play, kids want to play. You want to let a kid play, they're going to play. I would say that there's definitely parts of that, but I would also say that we need the parents to be parents. And that means we need to, hey, we're going to play two weekends, have a weekend off. We need to have that cadence at 11 and 12. I would also say this, I've seen one player. No. Jason Corley: Sure. Right. But some coaches won't go for that. Chance Beam: One player in 22 years that was the very best player around he played at East Cobb He was a very best player at 12 one player that was the very best player at 17 1 I've seen a gazillion of those guys that were really really good at 12 and by the time he was 17 He was you know hammering nails and working on a house on roof somewhere Where he was a mechanic or whatever the case might be? And I've seen a lot of those guys that be pretty good players, but I would tell you Jacob Moreno: And that is, it's not even some. Chance Beam: That guy that's on that number two team that never was maybe that top guy and he grinds, he works and he keeps going and he keeps going and he just keeps, in my opinion, you keep receipts, right? You just kind of keep in cabs. So I got a chip on my shoulder and like, I'm gonna remember that. I remember that. And all of a he hits that growth spurt at 16. Here's a great story for you. Victor Scott, starting center fielder for the St. Louis Cardinals. He played for me at 16. Jacob Moreno: the late bloomer. Yeah. Jason Corley: Yep. Okay. Chance Beam: played for me at 16. In 2017, he was the 11th highest batting average on our 16 year old team. I'm gonna say that again. At 16, he had the 11th highest batting average on our 16 year old team of everybody that's on the team. He's the only guy still playing. Jason Corley: I have a question regarding that. But, but was he one of the top 10 % of the door codes at your facility? Chance Beam: He was, he was, yes, he's going to be workaholic. Yes. Jason Corley: Because you said you mentioned in a podcast how you took numbers. Jacob, this is so incredible. I passed this on just so you know, I watched that podcast and I paid attention to it and I sent it to Coach Karens. I said, Coach Beam just talked about taking the statistics from his door code on the building because each family has an individual door code. And he said, yes, he took the top 10 % of door codes used. And you said 70 % of them, only 70 % of them went on to play college baseball. Jacob Moreno: Yeah, so... Chance Beam: Yes. college baseball or softball. It's 10 times higher than the people that showed up and keep working. And again, if that's not a testament for what hard work does, I don't know what is. But again, it goes to the whole idea that all the heroes and champions of life have not already been chosen and you're not it is not true. And so I say that to say at 12, we get so emotionally attached to our kids and we see them succeed and all those things we have to understand. Jason Corley: out of all of them. Chance Beam: that five years from now at 17 is a very, long way away and that we can hurt them, we can burn them out, we can do a lot of things at that very delicate age at 12. They're still picking their boogers and eating them and watching SpongeBob when nobody's watching, right? Jason Corley: Yeah, let me put, I'm not pushing back on this, but I'm going to defend us. Okay. Cause I'm one of us. And that is, is that I think, I think though, the, the, the, that the reality of it coaches the fact that we just, we just want, we just want, want something better for them. Most of us that are in my age bracket, 50, I would say 40 to 50 year olds. Okay. We come from an era where this was never an option. We had. Jacob Moreno: In option, yeah. ⁓ Chance Beam: answer. Jason Corley: We had American Legion ball and hot stove is what we had. And so these, all of these doors, all of these options were never there. And so for us, we just want to do, we're willing to move heaven and earth to just get the options to them. So I understand what you're saying, but I also like, I don't know how to shut that off. I don't know how to shut that off. Chance Beam: And it's so hard. And here's what I'm saying. You know what this makes you? Human. You're a parent. You love your kid. And the only thing that I have that you don't is 22 years of seeing it. Right? And so you're going to go back and, yeah, you've got four. And so I've got five plus times in that. And so the only reason I can have this perspective is I've seen it over and over and over. When my first daughter went through and went through the, I can look back at me at 12 and I was an absolute nut job. Jason Corley: Right. 100%. I have four. I have four. Yeah. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. and I have six. Chance Beam: Absolute nut job right but but now I've had more time removed from it. I go. ⁓ man That was yeah, probably shouldn't have done that and you and you'll probably in you but at the same time you will cherish this time that I say all of that to say this you will cherish this time that you have with your son and The things that you guys are going to do that will last a lifetime so from that standpoint you can't It's a it's a take. It's a give-and-take Jason Corley: Yeah, we've. Yeah, Jacob and I have had conversations not just alone, but on the podcast too, talking about how we understand that we're looked at like we're absolutely bullshit crazy. We understand like. Jacob Moreno: ⁓ man, I get that. I get that all the time from guys that, you know, run my area. Chance Beam: Hey, I don't mean to interrupt, but Jacob, are you on dial-up, brother? Jason Corley: I know, no, no, Jacob C. I know coach. literally, just literally funds from the podcast, just paid for brand new wifi and it still looks like he's on dial-up. I know, I'm for the AOL sound to go off in your background. Jacob Moreno: No! I'm on it. You guys are clear. You guys are clear as hell on mine. Jason Corley: ⁓ look like I'm looking through a bourbon bottle is what you look like. ⁓ but no, Jacob and I have had this conversation where we know that we're looked at like we're nuts. We get that. But at the same time, brother, I wouldn't trade any of these car rides for anything. ⁓ have told ⁓ in the past and I'll let Jacob tell his story that ⁓ am closer with my son than I ever was with my dad because of this. Jacob Moreno: No, I mean... Chance Beam: Ha Jacob Moreno: Yeah, that's me. I mean... Chance Beam: Absolutely. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. And you know, and that's the thing, like with my son, every time we travel, like we can fly. He's like, I don't want to fly. I'd rather drive. And it's the conversations we have on the drive or the sightseeing where we can stop and pull off. And you know, it's the little things like that because, know, last year he got hurt in June and didn't play all summer long, but it was those conversations we'd sit on the couch watching baseball and be like, ⁓ remember we drove to Myrtle beach and we stopped here or. You know, just the little things like that. We've driven to Houston. We've driven 18 hours, drove to Houston. And that's, and to him, those were the great, you know, the, some of the best memories for him are the ones driving and. Chance Beam: and slow-ro. Jason Corley: Yeah. Or, the one last week coming home from Atlanta when you took him to magic city. Don't forget that one. Yeah. Don't forget that one. Yeah. Don't forget that one, Jacob. Let's don't leave that one out. Yeah. let's not leave that out. Cause that one got cut out of the last podcast that we didn't, that we didn't go. Jacob Moreno: Hey, hey, yeah. ⁓ No, no, let's not leave that out. mean, I did take him. Chance Beam: That's right. Jacob Moreno: Yeah, we took it to Magic City, so let him take a picture in front of the building. Jason Corley: Yeah, you took a picture. All right. Yeah, you stand out there. I've never seen last time I saw that kid grin that big was when he got a PS five. Like he was just like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Dad, thanks for your tag. Take tag him dad. Make sure you tag him. Hey coach, do you think that the travel ball is watered down? Do you think? OK, ⁓ the reason why I ask is there are some really what do you how how do we fix that? We've all heard we've all heard great. Jacob Moreno: Yeah, well you saw what he, you know why he was grinning. Chance Beam: Herb's a... Herb's a... Cat's out of the bag. Jason Corley: We've all heard the Greg Olsons of the world and the Chipper Jones of the world, like, you know, bring back, make rec ball great again, all that kind of stuff. I'm a proponent of it. I'm not against it in any way, shape or form. I'm not saying that I would do it, but I might. I don't know. But what, when did that trend change in your eyes as being in this for 20 years? Chance Beam: think that trend, you really started to a momentum with it from in the early 2000s, really about like 08, 09, 2010, and it really just kind of snowballed from there. Like, so for example, in 2009, I was the number two team when I was at East Cobb at 16. I coached 16 every year. Gary had the Astros. I was the 16 year old Titans, number two team. The left side of my infield went to Clemson. My second baseman went to Georgia State. My first baseman went to Tulane, my catcher went to MTSU, the top three guys on my pitching staff went pro, the next two guys went D1, the center right fielder went to Kennesaw State. I mean, you just go down the line. If I had to put that same team together now, it would cost me 100 grand. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. No, trust me. And it's funny you say that because we've had the conversation in previous podcasts of teams that are being funded now at 12U. Jason Corley: Yes or what? No. Chance Beam: And that's no exaggeration guys. Jacob Moreno: And that's probably the bankroll, if not more. Chance Beam: And it's crazy, but to your question of like, how do we make travel ball or wreck ball? I think the cat's out of the bag. I think the other part of it that your parks and wrecks, they build fields, but no offense as travel players and coaches, we're snobby and we want the best fields. We don't want a dirt dusty field with holes and that was good enough. We were kids, but today, that's a go-patch. Jason Corley: Yeah, I do too. Well, it's not just that too, but like where I live, I don't know about where you guys live, but where I live, the street department has to take care of the field. Like nobody else is even allowed to get the tractor out of the building. So if that guy's running late on his day because he's still filling potholes or something like that, the field might not get drug. And then a parent is out there with a rake. yes, I agree with you 100%. It comes down from the communities don't. Chance Beam: That's correct. I'm not sure. Jacob Moreno: in Jason Corley: I feel like there's a disconnect there between the communities the way it used to be when it was Legion Ball and when it was Hot Stove. Chance Beam: Yes. Jacob Moreno: Well, that's how it is. Like in my area too, sometimes you get kicked off the field. You're not even if we're there practicing the half decent fields, we're not even allowed to use them. No, it's any, no, yeah, but whatever. it's, no, it's not even that. It's like, you know, there's a couple of turf fields we have and they're locked up or you get them and they're open and you're there, you're there in 10 minutes and then have somebody, you guys can't be here. like. Jason Corley: It's because he lives in the ghetto. Yeah. Jacob Moreno: We're not vandalizing, we're here training, trying to work on catching and stuff. And I'm just like, no wonder you don't have kids. Jason Corley: Everybody's so scared to get sued. what if you're down there too, you know, for all they know, and I understand it's, rob Peter to pay Paul and unfortunately, whenever it started in this world where people just got sued happy, it scared everybody, including the municipalities of this whole thing. So, I mean, I do get it. And I think that that's why I was curious as what you thought of as far as like, Chance Beam: Yes. Jacob Moreno: Yeah Jason Corley: when that trend started to go because I feel like the municipalities got less and less ⁓ tolerant with with rec sports in the communities. ⁓ I mean, you can't even go to the you can't even go to the school on snow day and shoot hoops when there's no school because they're because they're liable because they're alive, you know, and it's just so I just I was wondering my question to you now regarding rec ball is this you guys I'm doing bro. I'm so good and staying on track. It's not even funny. ⁓ Jacob Moreno: Yeah. the assurance liability, you know? Chance Beam: That's right. That's right. Look at you go, look at you go. Jacob Moreno: Yeah, did you take your medicine today? Jason Corley: I'm telling you, I did. took one of Brooks's gummies, the focused ones. When do parents need to draw the line or how? This is going to come off so bad and I don't want it to. When do parents need to draw the line that travel is not for them? Chance Beam: And I think here's what I would tell you. I think that it's got to be driven by the actualization of you and your child. have to, like, I just can't say enough that people they go, Oh, you know, this is what we decided to do. again, if we made a commitment, we're finishing that commitment. That's how I do my household. Right. Um, but we also need to understand is, is little Johnny dragging me to the facilities. He dragging me to the field. Hey dad, can you come out and play catch? Hey mom, can you. Jason Corley: Yeah, 100%. 100%. Yep. Jacob Moreno: Yep. That's how it, on my household it's too. Chance Beam: you feed the pitching machine? Can you do this? I've got one in my own household. Like she's 15, she's actually just turned 16. She's a sophomore in high school. And I've seen her in the matter of four to five years go from, hey, you want to hit? Nah, I don't want to hit. And she's like, well, why would I hit? I don't want to be that good. And then I was like, who says you're any good? And ⁓ now it's got to the place where... Jacob Moreno: Hahaha! ⁓ Chance Beam: First day driving today, she drove herself to the gym because it was day to get a lift in. I was out of town and she's, hey mom, can you come to the facilities and feed the machine for me? And it's it's totally flipped. I think understanding your child and understanding where they're at in that process and feeding that whatever that is. Jason Corley: Okay, okay. All right. I mean because you kind of stole you kind of stole one that was down the list and you know that which is why you Which is why you were used the word flipped but So we already know that you don't believe and in your heart of hearts that elite national teams That they're that they are funded I have a I have a question for you that this is gonna go along with the end of the conversation when we get into the showcases and the PBRs and all this stuff, but do you think that Chance Beam: Well, I'm sorry. Jason Corley: the elite of the elite, these blockbuster programs that are throughout the country, which I actually named some for you earlier today and Jacob, didn't have a clue who I was talking about, which was incredibly awesome. Like I named off S, you know what mean? Like he's so seasoned and he's been doing it for so long. It doesn't even, it's not even a blip on his radar because it doesn't matter is what I'm saying at our age. But do you believe that these organizations with these top level elite teams Jacob Moreno: Okay. Yeah. Jason Corley: Do you think that they should be free should they charge? Because like they're making so much money off our kids coach. Chance Beam: Well, here's what I would say, are they? And then so that's what I would argue. So and that's why I said I've done it for 22 years. And so some of these names of these people that you were talking about, I like this is my word that I use for these national teams, all intergalactic showcase elite supreme. I will, I one of these things. I swear to God, I want somebody to name themselves that. And I want it just like say, and it has to be long sleeves so I can say it from wrist to wrist all the way across their back. Jason Corley: What do You Yeah Jacob Moreno: From wrist to wrist. Jason Corley: That's a hell of a tramp stamp. Chance Beam: ⁓ Because what happens is is there Damn right. And so what I would say is that the question there is that in the short term, you have these people that are funding these teams. And I've just done it long enough to see the track history. You have to like, you think about Keynes, East Cobb, Five Star, ⁓ USA Prime, you some of those organizations that have been around a little longer, they're the national level. They have a lot of teams that fund those higher up teams. Jacob Moreno: You Chance Beam: And until you can kind of create the 800 pound gorilla animal that now when that national team wins the national championship, all right, there's probably some ROI because it helps us recruit more teams at the younger age groups or maybe brings in a 17th number, you know, 16, 16 new team. But when I'm a smaller organization and I'm like got 20, 30, 40 teams, even a hundred, yeah, I'm paying. I can tell you this, my margins, Jason Corley: Yes. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Chance Beam: I'd laugh and say, man, I have a master's degree, and if I really wanted to make money, I sure as hell wouldn't do travel baseball. Because the march- Jason Corley: Then why is everybody doing it? Jacob Moreno: What? Chance Beam: Well, because they're doing it, are you able to make money? Yes, but the thing that I would tell you is out over the course of time, if you screw enough people, then karma's gonna get you. And so what I'm seeing is... Jason Corley: Did you hear that? Jacob Moreno: Yeah, I did. Chance Beam: And so that, know, and so again, I say some of these names and you know, let's say like SBA, he's out of Charlotte Showcase Baseball Academy and he's got some funding teams. Well, he was a guy that did very, very well in another business. I actually know him from high school. We've had a very nice guy and he sold some other businesses, which has allowed him to kind of bankroll some of the things that he's done. Jason Corley: Yeah. Yeah. Chance Beam: to kind of blow up on the scene. But at the end of the day, he's going to have to reach a magnitude that it can start to self-fund itself, or he's going to have to start to look at it go from ROI, why would I keep throwing good money after bad? And so there's very few people that can get past that point to flip it. Maybe I wasn't smart enough, I wasn't able to do that, so I was like, hey, everybody's gotta pay. Jason Corley: Well, feel like Jacob, think you can add to this as I say this, but we feel like we see that in massive quantities now, okay? In 2026, at the 12U age, we have been watching this from 10U to now 12U, where you have, what do you think, Jacob? Seven programs that are just monsters ⁓ with hundreds, hundreds of teams that are fueling the national teams. Jacob Moreno: Yeah, ⁓ yeah, they've they Yeah. And that's why they can go out and grab, you know, the best players, that they don't have the money and they're out there grabbing it. And that's why they're stacking these teams. Jason Corley: See you Do you blame the parents or do you blame the organizations? Jacob Moreno: Well, I mean... Chance Beam: It's kind of like, here's what I would say. It's going to be, it's the chicken or the egg, which one comes first? The organizations funding the team because they know if I can win this tournament, gives me the cloud. gives me the social media presence to be able to add additional teams. But then it starts to become a calculus equation of if I pay X amount of dollars, how many teams do I have to bring in for it to make sense? On the second side, as a parent, I think this is where Jacob Moreno: even out. Chance Beam: Again, 22 years of experience and watching people go through the program and they don't realize that parents are poisoning the well for their kids. Jason Corley: And explain that because you said that earlier on the phone and I know Jacob, explain what you mean by that. Jacob Moreno: I was. Chance Beam: And so what I mean by that is once you've taken a kid down that road of 10 or 11 or 12, God help us at 10, 11, 12, I would even say at 15, 16, 17, and they went through the paid route where everything's paid for, that kid, now the expectations of that kid are skyrocketed high. The parents' expectation are skyrocketed high. And ⁓ by the way, we're playing a game of baseball that you're gonna fail 70 % of the time. And if you do that over the course of career, you're gonna be in the Hall of Fame. ⁓ Jason Corley: And you probably, probably aren't even going to like when you get 16 anyways. Chance Beam: And yeah, I mean, and so I you're poisoning the well because there's a couple things that people don't do in that calculus of thinking about. yeah, you're going to pay for me. So ⁓ you pay for my child to come and play on your team and he's pitching every single game and they're breaking every tournament rule and let's face it tournaments don't keep up with the freaking rules. The parents have to turn them in and that's the only thing and he's he's playing in this tournament and he's playing in this tournament and he's doing this and he's playing all the time ⁓ he. Jacob Moreno: You Jason Corley: Right. Right. Chance Beam: And he's paid for and they bought your flight and they've done all this. Are you gonna be able to walk over to the dugout and say, hey, he's not throwing this game? He's all paid for. I paid for him to fly out here. You knew that you were coming. He's a little Johnny, get out there, let's go. I need you to throw 17 sliders or curve balls in a row. You can't do that. He's 12. I paid for him. He's my piece of meat. ⁓ Jacob Moreno: No, you have no say so. So what you did, you just sold your soul. So you just sold your soul for your kid to play. Jason Corley: I hope you guys heard that. I hope you guys heard that. Chance Beam: And then on the other side, say I'm on that team and all of a sudden my 12 year olds are pretty good little player and he walks out there with the other 12 year olds that are one day away from 14 that have reclassified. They're all six foot and he's a nice player and they paid our way. They paid this if they're paying the hotel and we get out there and he's got the uniform on. He's looking up at all these guys like dear God and he never plays. Jason Corley: Hmm? Chance Beam: It never gets won at bat, never goes in the game. As a parent, what are you going to say? You've been paid for. What are you complaining about? You haven't paid a dime. I'll play him when I need to play him. Sit over there and we'll let you know when we're going to put him in. Otherwise be quiet or move on. And so on either side of that equation, completely poisoned the well. And so we've stolen the Jacob Moreno: So you sold yourself out. Chance Beam: the purity of the game at that point in my opinion from some of these kids and families. And are there families that can navigate that and come out the other side and be unscathed and man just really appreciate everything they're doing. I would love to say that there's a lot, I don't think there's a lot that's gonna be able to go through that through two, three, four years of doing it and then go, man, I just love my experience because they're either gonna feel the pressure of I have to perform because look at 15, 16, 17. When you go past those dugouts and you start to look at those national brands, we've said their names earlier, how many players are in those dugouts? Jacob Moreno: ⁓ he got a ton. 20? Jason Corley: Yeah, yeah. Chance Beam: 40. Don't take my word for it. Go and look at the teams that win the national championship that finish in the top eight. Go look at their rosters and I guarantee you, you're gonna see rosters that are north of 25. Jason Corley: Jesus Christ. Chance Beam: What do you want to do? You're just one of 25. Now a lot of those guys are pitchers, but it is what it is. Jason Corley: And we're, and Jake, Jacob, we're complaining about the Wildcats bringing 14. Chance Beam: Yeah. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Yeah. Holy crap, man. That so. Chance Beam: Yeah! And so I mean, like, you you start to look at some of those big name organizations, they bring in a pitcher on a Thursday that's going to throw a bullpen Friday and pitch on Saturday. He's gone and they may have, and so they cycle in all these guys. But when you look at their final roster, you know, I didn't, here's what I would say. I know this, but I also try to be the answer to it a little bit. So I, I run a 15. I would, I work with Ryan Klusko. I coached the 15 year old Atlanta brave scout team. We have 17 guys. It's all we take. And so the problem here is, is I know if I try to win, but do it the right way, I'm not gonna probably win a whole lot. I'm gonna win. Don't get me wrong. I'm gonna play at a national level and I'm gonna be able to compete at that level. But am I truly going to be able to go, huh, good luck boys. Everybody else is playing for second. Go check out what I'm getting ready to run out there. Right? I'm not, cause I'm not paying for hotels. I'm not paying for airplane flights. I'm not flying the guy in and out. Jason Corley: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Jason Corley: Okay. What about, what about, what about the parent that there there's no chance they could do it without that? What about the single mom? Jacob Moreno: Yeah, they're having a financial, you know, financial struggle. Chance Beam: And there certainly are those scenarios. Here's what I would say at 12, there's nobody at 12 that needs to be flying from California to East Cobb to play in a 12 year old World Series and that's the end all be all. That's not true. Jason Corley: Okay. But that happened. That is happening. Jacob Moreno: We've seen it. Chance Beam: Well, 100%, I know it's happening, but I'm just telling you, at 16 and 17, can that happen? Maybe it's a little more important that that happen, but I would also say at 16 and 17, if there's nowhere, here's one for you. Do you really think that playing on those national teams really has to do with you getting drafted? Jason Corley: No, it has to do with being an attractive business model so that more teams will come in and you can, yeah. Chance Beam: That's right. So do you guys realize that Perfect Game and PBR sell all the data to all the major league teams and all the colleges, universities? So the way that it's set up now is on this backend, they sell the data. And so I can say, I'm at, I don't know, I coach at University of Tennessee. I know those guys well. They do a tremendous job. I could say I work for the Yankees, Mets, fill in the blank. I could say I... Jason Corley: Yes. Yes. Jacob Moreno: ⁓ I didn't know that. Jason Corley: yeah it's in the that you sign off on when you when you put your kid in the system jacob it also is that you know Jacob Moreno: Dude, I barely even know how to read at a second grade level. You I'm gonna read that? ⁓ we talked about that, image, like, yep. Jason Corley: I know you're right. it also, remember that went into the whole image and likeness thing. They can use your kid's photo for anything they want too. Chance Beam: That's right. And so when, if I'm in one of those organizations, I can put on there any field that they have track man in the entire country for perfect game and PBR. And I'm not mad at them, but this is, this is, this is the reality. I want every name of any kid that throws a ball 90 miles an hour or better and spends a ball 24 miles, ⁓ RPM or greater. So now do I have to go and see every single game of every single thing? Jason Corley: Yeah. Yeah. I swear to God, I'm getting to that coach. Literally, it's the next topic. I literally have on there, like, colleges relying too heavy, and you're saying more than this, but are colleges relying too heavy on the big organization and are college programs relying on big travel organizations or are they still putting boots on the ground? Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Chance Beam: They are doing, they're putting the boots on the ground, but they're doing it in a very strategic way. I don't need to, now with all of the data, I don't need to go see everybody. I need to go see this guy. So think of it this way. College coaches, and because they, even at your bigger program, they can't be everywhere. They are hunting with a rifle and not a shotgun anymore. Jason Corley: ⁓ I like that. I like that. Jacob Moreno: Okay. Chance Beam: And so they are going, bam, that's the player I want to see. All right, this other player I want to see is going to be in that same tournament. So I can go see him at nine. I'll see him at 11. I'll see him at one. I'll be back at East Cobb. I'll go to North Cobb. I'll go to Twiddley Dinks here. I'll go in and out, you know, seven hours away that's in the same tournament over here. ⁓ But because they have the data, they're able to shorten that curve of who they need to go see. Jason Corley: Like, wait, Jacob Moreno: So I do have a question. So with you saying that, how did these guys know who to zero in on? Like you just said, they got the rifle, shoot one guy. Chance Beam: I mean, like, so like, for example, Twitter right now, you can, you can look up, you know, guys that I want to see everybody throws 90. I mean, like I said, they're buying that data as a, as a travel coach and organization. I can, I can buy data as well. So I can, you know, I can go to, I can market any 20, 29 in the country. I can market any 20, 27 in the country. Um, and travel organizations are doing that, um, from the second. Jason Corley: Because it's all built in the disclaimers of the release of the your information. You don't even know you're doing it. Chance Beam: That's correct. so like, you know, it's interesting. So I have this recruiting made simple site and it's literally, it's built on the premise that your metrics are the barometer and filter that is being worked through in the college in baseball and softball recruiting. So for example, if you go and you say, I'm a right handed pitcher. And I throw 90 miles an hour and 90 % of people go to school within six hours where they live from home. And I'm a 90 mile an hour thrower and I'm six foot and I'm a 20 27. I can get you down to about 15 to 20 schools. cross-referencing 38.5 million different data points between your GPA, SAT, where you live, your preferences, how hard you throw, how tall, how much you weigh, how much you run the 60, and what your exit velocity is. So with those seven or eight data points, I can now take you down to the schools that you're actually gonna be a pretty good fit at. Jason Corley: Did you get the information from the schools of what they are looking for? How do you make that determination? Chance Beam: So I've got the interesting thing is I've got all the SAT and AC data from the federal government of they have to disclose what they are, the average GPA, and then I have the filter of what you choose if you want a high academic school, religious school, big city, small city, and so all of that's in there. I had to build out the benchmarks for Power 4, Division 1, Division 2, Division, all of those things. And just with. Jason Corley: Okay. So over your experience, you've been able to build your own power. Like, okay, I know this coach. I've known this coach for 25 years. I know what he wants. So think, okay, okay. Jacob Moreno: what he wants. Chance Beam: That's right. so what's going to happen there is there's going to be 90 miles an hour is a filter. It's not the end all be all. Paper was like, ⁓ everybody's about velocity. And again, college baseball is really good. You're only top 7 % of all players in high school are going to play college anyway. So yeah, you better throw 90, but you better have a secondary pitch. You better be able to command. You better have some pitch ability or you're not going to stay very long anyway. 90 will get you a look. But it's the ability to continue to do all of those other things that's going to get your foot in the door and keep you there. Jason Corley: Yeah. How do we, ⁓ what this is, I want to start here, but this mind, this mindset shift that, that I wrote down in the notes and gave to you D one versus Juco and division two perception. How do we help change the narrative that that high school legend has to go D one or it's a failure? How do we change this? Chance Beam: I think that came from before COVID. So prior to COVID, that was the truth. If you were top 100 of the country, you went to the power four schools and that was the thing. After COVID and you had the COVID years and then you had the roster sizes, the average age of college baseball got higher. So if I ask you a question, University of Alabama, Birmingham and the University of Georgia, who had more players drafted this past year in the major league baseball draft? Jason Corley: Yes. I I already know this is a trick question, I'm going to say, yeah, I'm going to say Birmingham. Chance Beam: Yeah, right. UAB actually had more guys get drafted to University of Georgia in the first. ⁓ Well, and thank you for watching. There was like three people watching, me, you, and the guy that other made it. we, you're the best. So, but the. Jason Corley: I've watched too much of you. I've watched too many of your podcasts, pal. Jacob Moreno: hahahaha Jason Corley: Hey, hey, hey, only me and you are kindred spirits. ain't kindred spirits the other one. Jacob Moreno: I gotta leave. Chance Beam: you Jacob Moreno: I gotta late jump, so I'll start watching them more. Chance Beam: So, the problem is the average age of college baseball has just gotten older and older and older and you win in college baseball with older rosters. And so for that, you've got guys that want to get drafted, they want to go and play. So for example, two, three years ago, there was three guys that were all top 150 in the country that all I used Georgia because we were here and this is not a knock on Georgia. Great program, great coaches, it's all between the three of them. got 32 at bats their freshman year. Jason Corley: I know I heard that. Yeah, I heard you. Chance Beam: And so I would tell people, unless you are projected to be a top three to five round draft pick, you got no business going to a power four. And it's not that you're not talented enough, but as a 17, 18 year old kid, how are you going to compete against a 21, 22, 23 year grown man? Jason Corley: And you think that cat's out of the bag now. It'll never. Okay. Chance Beam: That cat's out of the bag. Now it's going to get a little worse with them pushing down the roster size to 34, 35. Now those extra three, four, five guys against the 300 schools now are getting pressed down even further. So now that guy that if he really wants an opportunity, I would tell anybody, if you're a great player, go find a place that you're going to be able to academically be able to do what you want to do. You're going to have an opportunity to play and develop. And then once you have numbers, then you end up going wherever you want to. or that you're able to go to. But without those numbers, if I'm a Power 4 school, do I want to roll the dice on an 18 year old kid? Or do I want to take the transfer guy that has two or three years of showing me he could do it, he doesn't get in fight and throw his girlfriend out of the window, he hasn't got in the bar brawl, he's had good grades, he's shown the numbers, he's shown the work ethic. All right, that's a commodity that I can bet on. Jacob Moreno: He's mature. Jason Corley: Yeah, because there's probably still in this world, there's probably still a whole lot of families out there. They're going to pay for their kid to go to that school, regardless whether he's getting a scholarship or not, just to say that he went to that school. So whether he plays or doesn't play, mean, just the fact that he got a uniform and was listed on the program, on the website, that's enough for them because they'll foot the bill. They've got the funds for it. But the kid that needs Chance Beam: That's correct. Yes. Jason Corley: that needs the baseball in order to pay for school, know, the right states and the Kent states of the world are perfect. Perfect options. Yeah. Chance Beam: That's right. 100%. And like for example, Alabama has 21 junior colleges that are fully funded with 20 scholarships. So I could go to a junior college in Alabama and the part that nobody wants to talk about, what if I get college baseball and I don't like it? And what, know, I go for a year and go, you know what? This sucks. I don't want to work that hard. Jason Corley: Yes. Yes. Chance Beam: And now want to go, you know, want to go, I want to go join a fraternity. I want to go to Auburn. I want to go to Ole Miss. I want to go wherever. You still have that opportunity to do so. And you had that experience to go, Hey, I got it. And you just wasn't into cards for me. But those are the things that I don't think people are looking at. I came from a family that I couldn't afford a lot. And so, you know, I went to a smaller school than transferred to a division two school. wasn't, you know, what I would say, I didn't go to any ESPN schools by any stretch of imagination. And I thoroughly enjoyed my college experience. So for people to Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Chance Beam: say, you have to go to these big schools to just have this great experience. Yeah, they have a great experience, but I thoroughly enjoyed my experience, but I got to do that while I was on the field and I didn't watch somebody else do it. Jacob Moreno: I mean even now just you you watch and because I'm a I like social media Instagram a lot but you're watching these you know Juco schools division three that will take on go take a on a D1 D2 school and they're competing them or beating them in a weekend series so I mean that just goes to show you there that Juco alone or even D3 are getting better and better because like you said that's where them younger kids that are just coming out of high school are going and developing and getting better Jason Corley: Coach, give ⁓ parents a harsh reality real quick, a reality check. What does a Power 4 D1 center fielder look like to you? Chance Beam: He's gonna be 6'3", probably 205. 6'3", I mean, guys, I'm not a small guy. I'm 6'6". Yeah, I mean, their center fielder is gonna run between a 6'4' to 6'6', which puts him in like basically, he would be the equivalent of running a 4'4' 40' people that are football guys. So he runs a 6'4' to a 6'6'. He's probably gonna be somewhere between 6'1' to 6'3'. He's the average weight right now, Division I baseball ⁓ is 205, that's average. Jason Corley: Jesus Christ! I just want to hear, I want to hear, yeah. Chance Beam: average so he's going to be in that one now are people like ⁓ coach this guy's five nine there certainly are those anomalies you're telling me if i'm at georgia or if i'm at texas what i'm looking for this is what i'm looking for i'm looking for a mule deer somebody that Jacob Moreno: You can. Jason Corley: And you have the country to look for it. Chance Beam: Absolutely, I'm finding the one white elephant and I'm gonna go find him. He's gonna be 6'3", he's gonna run a 6'4", 6'6". He's going 90 plus from the outfield. He's probably going to have an agent and he's gonna be on the verge of being a first or third round pick out of high school. I'm going to tell him that I'm gonna get him an NIL deal and he's gonna get a new Ford truck or he's gonna get a Lamborghini at Texas. He's gonna make about 100 grand a year outside of his truck. Jacob Moreno: at Texas. Chance Beam: And we're gonna make sure that he does underwater basket weaving to make sure that he's eligible. And when he hits balls, they're gonna land in other zip codes. And when he's coming in on Texas on Friday, on Saturdays in the fall, the band's gonna play their own little ditty for him when he walks out. But by God, when we get into the spring, he's gonna be something to behold. And we all laugh saying that, but go look at those rosters. Jason Corley: I'm Jacob Moreno: Ha Good. Jason Corley: uses. But it's so true. Yeah. Chance Beam: Go look at Texas, go look at UCLA, go look at Florida State, go look at ⁓ Georgia LSU. These are not your normal guy that just rolling out and he putting on a uniform. These are elite athletes. Jason Corley: Elite, elite, out of all of those that you just mentioned, because there was a small zoo of white elephants that you just mentioned right there, out of all of those, only 1 % of them are gonna make a living doing it, at the end of that. I just want parents to hear this. I want parents to hear this from somebody other than a doofus like myself, that that's what it looks like. Chance Beam: 100%. 100%. So yeah, and so like for example, when I was at University of Tennessee in 2001, we had 13 guys get drafted off our team in one season, right? We were loaded. We had two first rounders, Stevie Daniel, Chris Burke, who you see as announcer now with ESPN. What a great guy. Love that guy. He made our team better. But what I would say is back then you didn't have full boats and scholarships like we had now. We had 11.7. Chris Burke was on 60 % scholarship. Jacob Moreno: Poof. Chance Beam: He had to pay, he was a first rounder, right? And so the world has drastically changed from what it was then to what it is now. But the other differences is that you've got all of these transfer. mean, you look at your power fours, your SEC, ACC schools, look at those rosters and look at how many times that people transfer. What's the average age? You're looking at 21 to 22 years old. mean, college baseball has gotten a lot better, but it's gotten a lot older. Jacob Moreno: You're disturbed? Jason Corley: Yeah, coach, go ahead, go ahead Jacob. Jacob Moreno: You know, I do have a question with the portal because you did bring it up. In my, the way I think of it, it should be a limit on how many times you can hop in. Chance Beam: Yeah, but they don't let coaches have a limit. They can go to three different schools in three years. I mean, I think and again, it's one of those cats out of the bag. It's a free market, the capitalist society and and I hate it. Jason Corley: Yeah, it always does. When you give freedom away, when you give freedom, can't then take it away. Jacob Moreno: You can't take it away, yeah. Chance Beam: Yeah, you're not going to take that one away. Do I like it where they can transfer? Yes, but you're going to also there's some there's some college athletes that are learning grown up lessons of they thought they were better than they were and they quietly retired because they didn't exit the they they went into the portal thinking that somebody was there. There was nobody there to take him in every single year. There's thousands of players that enter the portal that retire. Jacob Moreno: Okay. Okay, so with that, do you think that's a tough behavior at a young age from parents not liking a situation year after year and pulling their kid? Chance Beam: Yes, 100%. Jason Corley: Okay, so it goes to our argument, Jacob, of that this whole thing of these kids jumping from program to program and living every weekend in this portal, they're just going to the next best thing. I'm telling like, coach, have got a massive, I've been very vocal about my issue with find a club, stick with it, go through the grind. There's something about going through the grind with your dudes. And I get all this pushback all the time from all these parents that tell me, well, my kid, you know, no, because you know, Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Jersey swapping. Jason Corley: We're not playing this weekend. It's okay not to play for a weekend. It's really it honestly is but Jacob and I have talked openly about the fact that I think it's I think it's setting these kids up to always want to jump like it teaches them nothing. Chance Beam: Yes. Well, I think if you want to go back further, it's like I would love to have a PS5 that didn't have a restart button. Jason Corley: Yeah. Jacob Moreno: You Chance Beam: Let's go back. Like you get killed or you take the wrong term, you got to figure it out. You don't get to hit the restart button and start over, right? And I think that's what you see a lot of parents and kids doing of going like the grass is always green and the grass is always greener. And the problem is they don't realize that people have shit on that yard and that's why it's green. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Yeah. Jason Corley: Yeah, yeah, respond. Right, yeah. ⁓ my god, that's gonna be epic right there. That clip is going to be epic. Yes. Jacob Moreno: That's a good one there. Chance Beam: And so the problem is, is they don't realize, well, maybe I should just really kind of like foster and like put some water down and take care of where I'm at. And it can be really green too. Jason Corley: But, reach it. Yeah. Jacob Moreno: Water your own grass. Chance Beam: And I think that we're short sighted in our kids. And again, you know, I've said this and I'm not saying that I'm different. I think that what we've done organizationally is I put it out front. I talk about it all the time. You go into my facility, we have five cages upstairs and the name of the cages are accountability, responsibility, attitude, effort and integrity. I'm not saying that we don't do it different or that nobody else does it this way. I just think what we talk about, we put it out front. And so I, for example, I have one of my kids, he Jason Corley: Right. Right. Five commandments. Chance Beam: Yes, and so I had one of my kids and these kids that are now grown men, I say kids, I'm old now and they, you know, and he was like, coach, I remember when we were in Charleston, South Carolina and we forgot two buckets of balls at the park. I'm like, yeah, how many balls were in that buckets? He said, coach, there were 67. And I go, why do you remember? Hey, he goes, you made us earn every single one of them back. Right. And he's like 28 years old now. Right. And, but my. Jason Corley: Sure. you You Jacob Moreno: Yeah Jason Corley: No. Jacob Moreno: You Chance Beam: But he learned a life lesson that day. So it's so funny, my girls, we both played a high school that's here locally. And we moved into the district two, three years ago. The head softball coach played for me. His assistant played for me. His pitching coach coached my organization. Seven of the nine starters played my organization. And so he has a rule that 10 minutes early and five minutes late. He played for me and that was one of the things we instituted and the very first day he said that I thought my older daughter when she was a junior at the time, she came home and said, I'm going to kill you. And I was like, what, what are you doing? He's like, coach, he already told us 10 minutes earlier, five minutes. That's your fault. That's your fault. And I'm like, Hey, I can't, I can't help it. made up, I left the fingerprint, at any rate, so those are the type of things again, maybe I'm just nostalgic. Maybe I'm too old, but I truly think that if we're doing this right. Jason Corley: You ⁓ Jacob Moreno: Hahaha! Chance Beam: We're building life skills. We're planting seeds that we may never stand in the shade of, but we can teach kids about accountability, responsibility. You have the ability to respond is what responsibility means. And really kind of get inside of those things, because I think those soft skills are just not taught anywhere else in our world right now. Jason Corley: to adversity. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Jason Corley: Yeah, yeah. We're cool. Go ahead, Jacob. Jacob Moreno: So it's more of a parent ego thing then. It's the parents' feelings are hurt. Chance Beam: certainly could be part of it. It could be the kid, could be the parent, it could be, and then on the other side, just because somebody leaves doesn't make them bad. They can make a bad decision based on some bad information that they were told. Jacob Moreno: No, yeah. I just ask because I see it, I mean, we've seen it and it's not even just in our age group, but other age groups, it's a certain group or certain kids that every year, you know, they have a different jersey on and we're like, hold on, last year you were with so and so, you know, so, okay. Jason Corley: But Jacob to his point too though, like, and I'll say this coach to Jacob's point is that hell, I mean, the kids don't know any better because the whole damn organization is changing names and changing locations. So I mean, it's being fed from the top that well, you know what, this offer wasn't that great from this organization. So we're going to go and we're going to jump ship and we're going to go over here and play for this organization because they're going to give us 15 grand for tournament fees. You know what mean? So I mean, they're Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Jason Corley: They're watching it. These kids are smarter than they've ever been in their lives, Coach. Chance Beam: 100 % everything is accessible so much right now. I There's there's a thing called esoteric knowledge and that basically comes from people that have been around forever So it used to be if I wanted to know what big leaguers what big league hitters taught or what big league I had to have that esoteric knowledge or I need to be in close proximity of those people to learn that in a day's age with AI and the internet all of that's gone I can learn The very best information, if I want to learn that and to your point, is that they all know. They're better at the gum internet than we are, right? And so, mean, they dial it up and say, ⁓ did you do this? So and so you could see he changed teams. They already posted it. They did the funniest thing. They'll go to Twitter or Instagram and immediately they'll change their team name before they ever tell their friends. Jason Corley: Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Jacob Moreno: It's funny you say that because Jason and I are always, every time we see him, like, you see this? And I send him a picture and he'll send me like, yeah, I saw it. I was trying to figure it out. I was getting ready to call you. Like, yeah, it's funny. was so sh- Chance Beam: You start to look at who likes what and you can figure out like which team they're going to. Hey, we're now we're so sorry. We love this and you could start to see the first 10 likes and you can be like, all right, yeah, they're going there because that mom is on that team and that dad's on that team and and you know, and that's like the wife of the coach that like that post and it's like, oh my gosh, but it's the world we live in. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Jason Corley: Yeah, coach. How much emphasis are college coaches putting on a well-rounded athletes over specialized position players now? Chance Beam: Let me say this delicately, gonna hold your hand when I say this. Coaches want to win. That's all they care about. That's how they pay their bills. So if your player can help them win, you will get recruited. If your player cannot help them win, they're not gonna recruit you. It really comes down to that. So I think that we fantasize all of these things like well-rounded. Let's face it, if a guy's 98 off the mound, he hits balls that land in different zip codes. ⁓ much as we would love that coach go, no, we don't like his character. We're not gonna take him on our team. The reality is at the college level, they're getting paid to win. All right, come on, we'll see if we can sort it out. Now if it gets too bad, we're gonna run him off, ⁓ we're gonna roll the dice on that. That same kid was 83 and he had all those same bad problems. He's never getting a second look. Jason Corley: Okay. I was just, I was curious of that because, know, with the whole multi-sport athlete, you know, phenomenon that's going on and I, know, we heard your, we heard your take on this earlier ⁓ in the show about the fact that, you know, you can specialize it. there's, I believe I understood you right when you said that it is okay to specialize in something, ⁓ you know, but you're also not knocking. Chance Beam: Yes. Jason Corley: the multi-sport athlete. don't think anybody's ever going to knock a multi-sport athlete. Chance Beam: So I think there's a ton of value for a you know, especially at like that 12 13 14 year old age group play football and get your butt handed to you and out there in the August heat and learning to deal with the crap and getting ran over and like sucks like Jacob Moreno: No. Jason Corley: Yes. Yes. Learning what a real huddle looks like in fields. Yes. Chance Beam: That's right, that's right. And learning what like getting your getting snot bubbled, what that means at ear hold, learning what that means. There's some real value in that. And then I think that it gives you a much greater level of grit in your other sports. I think in baseball in particular, and that's kind of why I say player performance will be a huge emphasis. I've seen it already, but I think in five years from now it will be in such a different place than it is now, is that we are a skill driven sport. Jason Corley: Yes. Yes. Jacob Moreno: Yes. Chance Beam: So when you take your kids places, you want to hit, you want to pitch, you want to feel ground balls. Instead of let's work on vertical jump, lateral jump, let's do box jumps, let's do plyo balls, learn how to use his lower half and core to be able to create more velocity, how to use plyo balls for creating bat speed and core strength. Now, does that make him a better athlete? 100%. But we don't typically train that way and teach that way typically in baseball. Jason Corley: Yes. Chance Beam: It's done that much more so in football and other sports. Jason Corley: that's the role. Yeah, stuff like that. Are you seeing more burnout now than you ever have in your life or was it worse in a certain time? Chance Beam: I think it's the same. My whole idea is you can't be burnt out if you've never been on fire. Jason Corley: ⁓ shit. Okay. Jacob Moreno: Okay, can you? Chance Beam: And so more than likely what's happening is you're frustrated and shit ain't going your way and shit's got real real. And now that it's got real real, how are you going to respond? And again, Jason Corley: Yeah. Okay. So burnout, burnout can't happen at 12 you or 30 like. Chance Beam: I mean, I think that it can, but you just, again, you've gotta be in tune to your kid. You've got to know where he's at. Everybody's kid is unique as a fingerprint. And I tell parents all the time, you are always going to be an expert in your child. You will watch them go to the plate and you can see if they're gonna have a good at bat or a bad at bat. You can watch them shake, you can shake their arm and you'll know. Jason Corley: of Jacob Moreno: Mm-mm. Jason Corley: Thank you. Thank you. Chance Beam: Dude, like his arms hurting, but he's not gonna tell the coach. I see him out there like making a fist with his hand and he won't tell anybody. You see that shit, I don't. ⁓ I'm trying to keep this guy from hitting the other kid over the head because he's a knucklehead. He struck out through his bat. Jason Corley: Why do you give a shit? So then why do you coaches give a shit then when we say well? know like we like we pull them off to the side and be like why are you pulling your back foot out when you're swinging the ball when you're in the back? Why are you doing that? Like we just spent three weeks working on that with in the the in the hitting cage with the medicine ball You're supposed to touch your knee to the mirror But I'm saying why do you I have but it's just like we know our kids Jacob Moreno: No. Chance Beam: Because he don't want to hear that from you! Jacob Moreno: Well that was- Chance Beam: It is a double-edged sword, I know, because like, tell my kids all the time, I go watch my daughter play in college, my younger daughter play softball, it would have been much better if I would have played fucking soccer and didn't know what I was looking at. Jason Corley: You ⁓ Jacob Moreno: Because you probably critique, I mean, you probably see everything and your head's probably. Chance Beam: Yeah, everything, everything. So if you're ever at a park where I'm at and my kid's playing, you will see me in right center or left center and I'm pacing back and forth and the outfielders are laughing their ass off at me because I'll be like, or umpire sucks or could you not, you can't pop up there. And I literally don't mean anything by it. I love them all, but I just, the coach me comes out. Jason Corley: Very interesting. Jacob Moreno: Yeah Jason Corley: Yeah. Yeah. This was Jacob's this last this last weekend in Georgia was Jacob's first weekend as a dad. He's always been a clue. He did not know what he didn't. He literally said to us, he goes, I don't I don't even know where to sit. I don't know where to put the lawn chair. Jacob Moreno: I've never been a dad. Chance Beam: Yeah, I don't know what I'm Jacob, find you a spot in the outfield. Jacob Moreno: I didn't. Well, I went down the line. I went down the line and I'm sitting there and I'm just like, and I'm watching and I'm like. Jason Corley: Just made you shout louder because you were farther away. Chance Beam: No. So here's the tip, Jacob, stand in the outfield because you can get a good view of home plate in the strike zone. You're far enough away that you feel like a complete ass hat if you're screaming at your kid from 250 feet. And so like, and here's the thing, I have the right to remain silent, but not the ability. And I've done that before. ⁓ so understand like all the things I'm telling you, like I'm that guy too. So I'm not throwing any shade at anybody. Jacob Moreno: And I was like, what? Jason Corley: Yes. Yes. Jacob Moreno: You know what? You Jason Corley: Yeah. Yeah. Jacob Moreno: No, mean, was difficult, very, very difficult. And it wasn't, it's because, you know, they want me to coach. But I think we're at the age now where I have to start separating myself because I can't always be coach. And, know, I want to be dad too. I want to be able to sit. I wouldn't be able to sit on the sideline with Jason and, you know, bullshit and talk, but it's hard for me because, you know, since he was probably six years old, I've coached and we're 12 now. Chance Beam: I would also say that if you do this right, you're giving him the greatest gift ever. Cuz you're going to allow him to be able to play for other people and understand what coaches are, what you like, what you don't like. So he's gonna have greater perspective. Jason Corley: And you're not, you're no longer a safety net either in the dugout. Jacob Moreno: And that's what I wanna avoid. Chance Beam: Exactly. And then the other part of this, because obviously you guys are involved in your kids like I am, it allows that Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, when you go to hit and you go to do those things, it's now. Jacob Moreno: Yep. Chance Beam: I can, can take all of that weight off and we can just work and we can like enjoy that instead of like, do you remember last weekend when you freaking popped up runners on second and third and no outs? This, you don't have to carry that weight. You just kind of get to be dad and be like, all right, what can we do to help you be the best player you can be today? Jacob Moreno: Yep. Yeah. Like I said, I'd say... Jason Corley: Yeah, you also, you also, Jacob, you no longer have to, ⁓ you no longer have to be intentionally harder on, on Brantley. You don't, you can just be dad. Like. Jacob Moreno: No, I don't. Chance Beam: That's right. Jacob Moreno: I can just be the critique of dad, not the critic of being a coach. Jason Corley: teach of code stat yeah and you have to somehow some way Chance Beam: That's right. You don't have to worry about 10 other kids before your kid. Jacob Moreno: Yep. Jason Corley: or their parents or their parents and what they might think that you're yes all that's gone and that's the beauty of it. Chance Beam: And God bless the coaches that do it, but it's a real weight that you wear and the burden that you bear. Jacob Moreno: And I- It was, and I kind of ⁓ had a moment over the weekend, just because it was new to me. You hold expectations and the expectation wasn't met. And I'm just like, what the f— do we got going on here? Jason Corley: You think? Come on! Chance Beam: Dude, don't worry, my kid's in college and I still battle that. No, you're not the only one. Jacob Moreno: Well I'm glad I'm not the only parent. Jason Corley: Whoa. And that's what I try to tell Jacob. I'm like, this is welcome. Welcome to parenthood on the sidelines. Jacob Moreno: That's what he said. That's what he said. He goes, come on, buddy, we're going to do this together. Chance Beam: No, it doesn't come with a book. It should. Jason Corley: I mean just I mean listen in all honesty though. Thank God we stopped drinking because you wouldn't you have no I think how we stopped drinking at games brah is what I'm trying to say Jacob Moreno: I probably would have drank a whole bottle by myself. Yeah. Chance Beam: That's right. Well, it is funny because, you know, the at Lake Point, they sell alcohol and I'm like, dude, like you were inviting bad problems. You're just inviting bad problems. Jason Corley: They do, they do at Dayton too. Yes, yes, yes, they do at Dayton. Jacob Moreno: They do, I've noticed a lot more tournaments that we've gone to, do. Because they do in Florida. Chance Beam: can tell you at our little part, our little field behind our place, at our little field, it's like 220, so you can do 13s, it would be a little tight, but certainly 12 and under, it's a turf infield grass outfield. And so they'll run like eight, nine-year-olds, 10-year-olds, they used to rent the field from us. And this is not an Occom Perfect game, this is completely about the parents and the tribal ball world we're in. Jacob Moreno: the best kind of fields. Chance Beam: is after they would have eight, nine and 10 year old baseball games out at our field, we would pick up liquor bottles, wine cooler bottles, shot bottles by the gross, by the gross that were thrown on the ground. I'm like, what are we doing? Like what's going on? Jacob Moreno: ⁓ I believe it. ⁓ Jason Corley: Did you guys see have you have either one of you guys seen the I don't know if it's a tick tock or an Instagram reel of the podcast where there's a guy that has now I don't know if he invented it or what he's doing but now there's mobile liquor stations that he's rolling out to baseball tournaments. You haven't seen it. It's all. Chance Beam: Holy cow, I have not seen that. I know it's in. Jacob Moreno: No, no, I have not seen it. Jason Corley: It's all automated and he's justifying it by saying, well, it's there's no bartender. So you can't get a little bit more than what the machine will let you get. Like you can't pay for a single and get a triple. Like there there are these white things you pull on the back of your truck and they're full of booze and you just park in the baseball tournaments and let people let parents go up, fill their cup. And the one dad was pushing back. He's like, don't you think that's a recipe for disaster? He was having just seen a Yeti Cup at a baseball game. He's like, Chance Beam: Wow. Wow. Jason Corley: I mean, it's so they're capitalizing what it already is. So yeah, but no, we have a medaite and I'm trying to think there's there was another tournament that we were at that they sell alcohol if Florida that's what it was. That's what it was the Florida one. So I mean, even me the most on the guy who could give there's no there's a few people in this earth that could give less shits to me about what somebody else thinks. Jacob Moreno: in Florida. Florida does. Florida sells you buckets. Chance Beam: Recipe for disaster. Jason Corley: Even I was coherent enough to realize, yeah, this probably isn't a good idea, Jason. Let's cut this out. Let's not do this anymore. So we have a couple more and then I'm going to let you go because I cannot thank you enough for your time. But I want to get your I want to get your take on something that is the biggest. Outside of state of play, this is the biggest topic that we run into, and I know that you know this, I know you know what's coming. What are what are your thoughts on reclassing? Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Yes. because you already spoke about it. Chance Beam: Reclassifying. Jason Corley: Yes, reclassifying. Jacob Moreno: Yes. Chance Beam: Alright, so I would say that I see a lot of, it's always been perpetuated through football. Football's done it for a long time. And so what I was just talking about was college baseball and how college baseball's gotten older. So you see a lot of people that are doing it at eighth grade in particular is when they'll reclassify because most states, and our state included, that you get four years to write, do four years of high school eligibility. Jason Corley: Right, that's what we figured out. Chance Beam: So at eighth grade, they'll reclassify. In full transparency, my daughter, when she got in eighth grade, I had the conversation with the guidance counselor about reclassifying her in full transparency. Because my mind is open of like, I'm not saying there's right or wrong. My job as a parent is to get all the information. I thought that lady's head was going to explode, like the guidance counselor. And she was so upset with me because my daughter's older daughter straight A's and the whole nine yards and the other daughter has been really good. so, and she was like, why would you do that to your kid? And I'm like, whoa, my job is just to get all the information and then make an educated decision. Where I would fall with that is again, I know that it sounds like kind of a political answer, but it's like, you're going to have to know your kids. So for example, if I feel like There's a difference between a chronological age and a physiological age. So a kid could be 14 years old chronologically, physiologically he may be 12 and a half. Right? And I just know that my kids struggle with some grades. He's always behind. He's really immature. You know, he's got some of those things. And now I start to think about it. This is, and I would tell people if this is something they want to consider. Jason Corley: Okay. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Jason Corley: Right. Right. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Chance Beam: I would look at it and go, I'm not going to do this if it's only for baseball. I think people that do it only for sports, that's very, very short sighted. Again, we're not doing this to play college baseball or softball or football or whatever. It's now, are we putting him in a situation where he's gonna be more competitive in his classroom and be able to stay on task and all those things? And again, as a parent, you're an expert of your kid. I know myself, right? And a lot of times our kids are who we were when they were coming through. So you look back and go, all right, how was my high school experience? Man, I was really, really terrible as a freshman, but as my sophomore, junior year, okay, I see it him. He's kind of the same way. Does he still have baby teeth at 13? Like, I mean, this is like real stuff, right? And so you start to have those evaluations as to what is the right fit for me and my family. That's not to say that it's completely wrong, but I would say this. Jason Corley: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Chance Beam: If a kid does reclassify and I've had the same conversation with Perfect Game at East Cobb because we're there and one of my Titans teams was playing at 12U, your guys age group and we were playing, just leave it nameless who they were playing and they had, their starting nine, they had eight kids that had reclassified and were damn near 14. And they were all basically six foot and they're just murdering everybody. Jason Corley: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Did you call into the show a couple weeks ago? Chance Beam: And so it's like and then so I got the tournament director over there and I go hey whose insurance is going to cover the cause of death for my third third baseman and he looked at me and he's like what are you talking about and I was like that kids should be playing on the big field up here on one two and three with a drop three BB quarter of wood instead he's straight he's swinging a kangaroo bat that he's going to kill and fracture the third baseman's skull that is you know Jacob Moreno: hahahaha Jason Corley: You Yeah. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Chance Beam: there's what is it that 12 you what are the bases like 60 80 70 70. So it's like it's it's 5070. So he's playing even with a bag. He's playing third base balls going to come off the bat at 9000 miles an hour. Basically 11 year old that's not even then to reclassify like how how is this fair? And my thing of it is I would say if you are going to reclassify then you need to play up. Jacob Moreno: 70. 5470, or yeah, 5470, or 5070, yeah. Chance Beam: I don't think that it's right. I shouldn't be able to reclassify and play with 12 year olds and their 13 or 14 year old. You want to be that big dog? You got to play up with the big boys. You got to play up with your age. Jason Corley: 100 % Jacob Moreno: You know? So it's funny you say that because we've had the conversation about too, playing your year that you were born. Like I don't know if you ever see soccer or even I think it's girl's softball too. You they go by the year you're born from January 1 to December 31st. And. Jason Corley: Yeah. Yeah. Chance Beam: Yeah, they're gonna, yeah. Jason Corley: Yeah, how are the calendars all not the same? Like for children when it comes to this shit? Chance Beam: Everybody's different. Well, and so here's the thing. If you look at the NHL, they do the same thing. And there's a book called The Outliers, and they did a complete study with the people that were born after June and the people that were born from January to June. And they showed a statistically higher significant level of those athletes being born earlier in the year. being at a higher level because they were always seven months, eight months older than the kid that was born in November as they got nine, 10, 11. So they made the higher teams, they had the better coaches, they had access to the better stuff. And so that's a study that's been done in outliers. And so what is right, what is wrong? I just think that you gotta play with your age. Whether like in baseball, we go May 1, which makes no sense. Schools go like August 1 or September 1. And then USA baseball, think maybe does. Jacob Moreno: September 1. Chance Beam: January 1, softball has now kind of moved to a January 1 type of thing. Yeah, December 31st, January. So in baseball, my rule is that, well, how old you are on May 1st of this year tells me what age you could play at. And so I would say that if you're under, I would put it this way, if you're under 14, you cannot play with your graduation year. You have to pay with your age. Once you get to high school, Jacob Moreno: to December 31st, Yep. Chance Beam: You can pay with your graduation year, that doesn't matter because you're going to be playing on the big fields and all of those things are going to kind of somewhat take care of themselves. Jacob Moreno: Okay, so then I guess, you know, with your logic, I'm doing the right thing with Brantley because he's a 12 year old in seventh grade. So I haven't played 12U where initially he's gonna graduate with the guys that are playing 13U now. Jason Corley: But do you think 17 is too young to be graduating high school? Chance Beam: My daughter graduated high school at 17 and I graduated high school at Jacob Moreno: I do. Jason Corley: I'm asking, I'm asking, I don't know, because I'm going to have both. I'm going to have both. Yeah. Chance Beam: Yeah. Jacob Moreno: I do, I do, I think he's, I think Seventeen's young, but at the same time, the way he's doing in school, there's no way I could ever, and mean, and Jason was my kid, my kids, I mean, he's mature, he's mature enough. What's that? Jason Corley: Well, the school wouldn't even let them. You'd have to move. You'd have to move schools because the school wouldn't even let them. Jacob Moreno: Yeah, my school wouldn't even let me. Chance Beam: Yeah, so you would end up well, here's the thing. I'm on the school board here in Cherokee County in my area up until 8th grade. They will tell you that you can't, you can put your foot down in public school and hold your kid back. Jacob Moreno: He doesn't go to public school. Jason Corley: Well, so it's funny you say that, Coach. Yeah, Brantley goes to a private school. My son goes to a public school. And actually, after the podcast, we talked about this. My wife got a text and she said, just let Jason know that they can't hold him back if he does bad on his state test. Like they can't like the school can no longer hold him back if they want to. And like they're going to move. They're going to keep the numbers going in the school because they need to keep the class sizes growing. Jacob Moreno: Private school. Chance Beam: Yes. That's right. So you start to really get in the weeds. You start to get in a state funding, especially with public schools. It's called QBE funding. that goes, there's a dollar allotment with every single student. And if students don't continue to progress, it actually hurts the schools. And so from a financial standpoint, from the county and district, so that's a whole nother kettle of fish, but if you're public school, you could hold them back, but private, they certainly wouldn't let you. Jason Corley: Because that's more funds from the state. Right. Yes. Yes. Jacob Moreno: No. Jason Corley: All right, coaching closing, coaching closing. I got a couple things that I wanna touch on as we close this out. ⁓ Finding exposure without, actually we already covered that, my fault. ⁓ I need to know from you, before we get into the service that you're providing in this website that I wanna know, but I think this is gonna tie into this whole thing. And that is, how do parents choose wisely between all... this entire catalog that we have of the PBR events, the PG showcases, parents feeling like they're being left out because they're choosing football season over a super select tournament that only the top kids get to go to, but if I do that, then my son's not gonna be able to play football because the coach ain't gonna let him leave football to go play at some tournament that's in the fall to begin with. How do we navigate all that shit? Chance Beam: It's by design. Jason Corley: Why do they want Chance Beam: because if you are at a super select then somebody's paying to be there not everybody can be free It's social media that is pushed out. It's showing everybody it keeps it keeps the that organization, whether that's a travel organization, whether that's a tournament organization, it keeps them in the forefront. And it's that way by design. And that's also why you see Major League Baseball. They've done quiet periods and dead periods where, you know, scouts can't go out because the scout, the organization, the tournament organizations, they were holding crap all over the time. And so there was no down period for Jason Corley: Relevant? Chance Beam: the player and because of what you're talking about, know, people like, we have to do this showcase and I've got to do this and I got to do the East Coast pro and I got to do this. there, and you're that fear of missing out because there's such a narrow window that you can really do all of those things. I would tell you, I find it incredibly humorous that they talk about a scout team at 12 or 13 or all of those things. Who's the scout? Who's the scout? Jason Corley: you Jacob Moreno: Hehehehehe ⁓ Chance Beam: Name me the damn scout that's there watching a 12 and 13 and 14 year old. I can tell you even now with because of the transfer report and all that stuff, we used to see 15 year olds get recruited and commit verbally earlier. That's kind of moved back now into like 16 and 17. Now your elite top end guys are still going to commit verbally a little earlier, but like that's kind of cooled off because let's face it, if a college coach can't talk to you verbally, Jacob Moreno: 1617. Chance Beam: until August 1 of your junior year, right? August 1 for baseball, September 1 for softball. If they can't talk, you are three full years away from ever being on their roster. Think about all the transfer portal and all the things that happen. And so the reason why I'm saying that about that is now you go back to 12, there is no one thing. Jason Corley: Yes. Jacob Moreno: over here. Coaching changes. Chance Beam: that you absolutely have to do at 12, 13, and 14. I tell our teams, and this is just me being honest with you, I tell at 14 and younger, you need to probably try to finish up your season before July 1st and as a family go on July 4th holiday. Jason Corley: Yes. my God, I don't even know what that looks like. ⁓ have not seen fireworks outside of a baseball stadium in four years. Chance Beam: Exactly. Jacob Moreno: Neither do I. You Chance Beam: And then on the other side of that, say that because now when you get to 15, 16, and 17, you have to play all summer because that's the only window of opportunity we have between the end of school and the start of school. And so there's gonna be camps, there's gonna be showcases, there's gonna be tournaments that you have to go. You wanna do the NPI, National Program Invitational, you're gonna do this. Jason Corley: All states. All states here. Chance Beam: going to do the 16 World would bat. You're going to do all state. You're going to have this thing that you've been invited to. You're going to have this and you're going to have to weave all of that in together with all of the travel that goes along with it. We are so spoiled in Atlanta. I tell my people all the time guys, I sleep in my bed all the time. We never go out of town. so like. And so, but on the other side, it's it's it's great to recruit guys from out of state because we play it Lake Point or East Cobb. That's where we play. Jacob Moreno: How lucky are you? Chance Beam: Yeah, well, you know, and so we're jaded because that's where we do it. But also I'd see guys from Atlanta also get a little jaded and I love kids from out of state. They that newness of playing these big places, they they seem to grind a little more and they're, you know, they cherish a little more of that opportunity. back to your point, you know. It's just the whole showcase thing and I think that people gotta be very selective and it's hard. I envy parents and I don't, well let me rephrase that, I don't envy parents that don't have the 22 years of experience. I do because you're just being bombarded by emails of, little Johnny's been, you know, he's been selected for the slugfest and then he's been selected for this. Jacob Moreno: You Jason Corley: Coach, coach, coach, if I, if I invite you over for dinner, okay, I do not need or expect you to bring anything. I invited you to dinner. So why the hell when more kids get invited, does it cost me 1200 bucks? Like I don't, this shit's killing us. It's killing us. It's killing us. Chance Beam: Yes. Yes. No. Jacob Moreno: We've had that conversation, you know, even with the winner, even with the winner invites, you know, three. Jason Corley: The Allstate thing. The Allstate is where it started. The PG Allstate thing. And I'm sorry, I love PG. You guys know I love PG tournaments. I do. I really do enjoy them. But this shit started with the Allstate tournament stuff because it went from being you were invited to represent your state and go play for your region, which at the time was, we were not Midwest, were something, Mid-Atlantic, Mid-Atlantic and Great Lake, whatever it was. Not only coach did I have to Jacob Moreno: Great Lakes, mid-Atlantic, mid-Atlantic. Jason Corley: to pay to fly there and play in the tournament, they wouldn't need to pay to try out for the invite that they sent me. What the What the f- Like seriously. You know what mean? And at the same time, at the same time if you don't go, you feel like, ⁓ Chance Beam: No, exactly. Here's the rule of thumb. Here's the rule of thumb. If you have to pay for it, then you don't need to probably go. And that's going to be hard because a lot of parents are like, but I want him to experience being to play with the best players in the country. Nobody cares at 12. Nobody cares at 13. Nobody cares. Yes. Jason Corley: It's so hard to hear though. That's so hard to hear as a dad. Chance Beam: That is very, very hard to hear. I can say that because I don't have a dog in that fight and I've done it for 22 years to know that it doesn't matter. Yes. Jacob Moreno: Yeah, but how? Jason Corley: You have got to speak more. You have got, no you do, honestly. You have got to get, you've got to put yourself together at Production Company and you have got to speak more because I'm telling you, ⁓ the blinders are on. The blinders are on the parents and ⁓ they only hear, man, I don't even know how to say this. It's not what they want to hear, but they only hear the social media side. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. No, yeah. Chance Beam: Yes. Jason Corley: that they are missing out, that their kids are missing out. There are not enough people out there bucking the system and telling the truth of it doesn't, yes, we've heard it doesn't matter, but we haven't heard it from trusted voices. We've only heard it from people. Yes, you have got to speak more. Chance Beam: Yes. Jacob Moreno: Yeah, person like you with 22 years under their belt. Chance Beam: Yeah, and again, think it's because it's easy for me to say, I know that I've had a kid that go through it and so, and I've had a daughter going through it right now and that's our rule. If you get invited to a showcase and it costs us money, it's not a showcase, it's a fundraiser for somebody. Jason Corley: What about a PBR event? Are they any different? Chance Beam: Um, here's a question. This is, I love this question because it kind of goes back in my recruiting made simple. If I go, yes. And I, and here's the thing I know Todd fine, Sean Duncan. I think that they do an incredible job and I, in my organization, I would tell anybody you're going to get a fair shake with them. I think perfect game has made huge strides over the last couple of years with their new ownership group. I will tell you point blank two to three years ago. What's that? Yes. Jason Corley: Because PBR is huge where we live, in the Midwest. Jacob Moreno: Yep. Jason Corley: 54 million 54 million 54 billion Chance Beam: Prior to a couple years ago, I would not play in perfect game events cuz I wouldn't get a fair shake because the people, the parties that be, I spoke out against them and they didn't like me. And so I would always end up on some crazy field and all those kind of things. Jason Corley: I'm waiting for that to happen to my kid because I speak out. Chance Beam: And it may very well, but here's what I would tell you, is that guys go to showcases and they go to a trial. Trial, we'll call it a trial. If I was an attorney, do I ever ask a question at trial that I don't know the answer to? Jason Corley: Hell no. Chance Beam: Hell no, I'd be a very bad attorney. Then why do people pay $1,295 to go figure out how hard they throw a ball, how hard their exit velocity is, how fast they run a 60, and there is zero college coaches or pro scouts there? I know, because it's the hype. I tell people, and this is kind of why I did the recruiting made simple, so to your point, Jacob Moreno: Get home. Jason Corley: The scouts already know. The scouts already know. Chance Beam: is I got on TikTok and Instagram and social media a couple years ago. I had an advisor be like, dude, you got to do it. And I'm like, I'm going to be the grumpy old guy. Get off my grass guy. Like in there. Jason Corley: ⁓ that's... Chance Beam: be whoever you are, just be that. I said, if I say it, I'm going to be honest, so I'm not going to sugar coat stuff. And they're like, all right, do your thing. And so it's really taken off. So I got with a group out of Nashville, the Hit Lab, Nick Hyder, baseball guy, tremendous guy. And so last year I was doing about 115,000 views in 30 days. Jason Corley: you Chance Beam: In late summer, I got up to about 5.4 million and I got about 80,000 people follow me or whatever. So it's really grown on its own. And I think it's coming back to what you were saying is just being honest with people and telling the truth. Yes, just. Jason Corley: Just be honest with us because there's so much because in this stems Brother, I'm telling you this stems from like the political shit that we've gone through as a as a country We're all just seeking truth. That's all we want. It doesn't matter if it hurts our feelings. We're okay with that now Chance Beam: Yes. Yeah. Well, and the crazy part of it is the truth that I'm telling actually saves you money. And so what I started doing was when I was doing the social media stuff, would start talking about recruiting just because I got kids that going through the process and then I would answer questions and those videos would just blow up. And so I was like, all right, obviously there's a need. I was like, oh, I'll write a book. It'll be great. I'll write a book. And I'm like, well, nobody's going to read that effing book. Nobody reads this shit. I get 20 questions a day about recruiting. And everybody always says, all right, here's my kid. And they have a very individualized scenario. And so I'm an AI nerd and all that kind of good stuff. And I was like, I don't want to write a book because nobody's going to read it. I said, I really want to help people. I was like, what if I build a website? Jacob Moreno: Nobody Jason Corley: Now if you had done an audiobook I'd have ⁓ listened. Chance Beam: All of a sleep, who knows? But it was like, so I have a daughter and I'll be honest with you, I built this a little bit for her, but also for the community. And I started going, okay, she does this, she does this. And I know all the athletic matrix on the baseball and softball side. I knew I can get the SATs. And I was like, holy crap, I'll be able to like, so there's three lenses. You've got the lens of your academic lens, SAT, ACT, GPA. Jacob Moreno: Hehehehehe Chance Beam: You got your second lens, which is your personal preference lens, and your third lens, is your academic or your athletic fit. So what it does, it cross references that your personal. Yeah, this is service recruiting made simple. It's live right now. Jason Corley: And this is your service that you're doing now. Okay. Okay. I was going to ask you, please tell us about this and how it can help parents. Chance Beam: Perfectly and so recruiting made simple cross references 38 and a half million data points To then come back with your with your school that you're a fit for so say for example if you got a 3 5 GPA and you got 1150 on the SAT and you throw 86 miles an hour for a baseball player and I say I want to go to Clemson It's probably going to give you about a 60 out of 100 why? because people don't realize this Clemson the average GPA to get in there is about 3.73. The average SAT to get in there is about 1150 to 1200. What's that? Yeah. Oh dear God. mean, you you better be real good. And then, and then you got, know, and then, you know, then you throw 86, you're in the zero percentile. You got zero shot at playing at Clemson, but then it'll, it takes every school in the country or however far you say you want to go from home. Jason Corley: What about George Tech? What about George Tech? Jacob Moreno: Yeah ⁓ Chance Beam: What I also found out in doing this is most kids go to school within, 90 % of kids go to school within six hours where they live. So you can change the Brommer. You could say I wanna go two hours, I can go nationally. And it takes all of that information and comes back and it does a score for every school in the country. So you could put Liberty, New Mexico, Arizona State, Clemson, ⁓ USC, South Cahatchee, ⁓ Dartmouth, all of these schools and it's gonna give you a ⁓ score for that. Jason Corley: Yes, I've heard that. Chance Beam: And then the second part is kind of a funny thing was it's called Ash chance. So it's an AI and I've dumped in all of my recruiting stuff for the last 20 years and you literally it's a recruiting coach in your pocket. So you can be like, Hey, I'm sitting at the park and there's a college coach over here. Should I go talk to them and tell them about little Johnny? And it's going to, and it's response should be, Hey, dumb ass, take a seat. Don't do that. Or, you know, or, or, Hey, I'm going to go on a visit this weekend. Can they give me a car? Jason Corley: Yeah. Right. Yeah. Jacob Moreno: You Chance Beam: the NCAA rules are in there. No, they can't give you a car. This is how the NCAA rules are. So literally any recruiting question you can imagine. Hey, help me write an email to Lander University in Greenwood, South Carolina. It has all the head coach. And so it has all the coaches information, phone number, email address, their website, player questionnaires. When I tell you that this site, 38 and a half million data points, it's there. It literally will save people thousands and thousands of dollars. So for example, back to what we were talking about, what camps I should go to. Well, if I do my FIT score and it's showing that, these are the schools that I am a fit for, well, then I should be targeting those schools. Every year I have people come to me and say, hey, Jason Corley: Right. There's no sense in going to a PBR event in Ann Arbor if you're fit for something for, for Birmingham school down in. Chance Beam: Yeah, exactly. you know, if you may, so for example, you may have some schools that are in your area that you never even heard of, but then you look them up and go, oh shit, that's really nice. Like for example, there's a school in North Carolina called Gardner Webb. It's out in the middle of nowhere. Beautiful. Softball fields like completely turf, indoor hitting place, baseball fields nice. It's a nice little quaint school, but if you hadn't looked it up, you would never know. You would never know it's there. There's all of these places out there. Jason Corley: Perfect. Yeah. Chance Beam: that are just absolutely incredible. People don't know what they don't know. And so it allows them to kind of bridge that gap. so literally the first month to join Recruiting Made Simple, you're gonna spend more at Starbucks. It costs $9.95 for the first month. Jason Corley: When do you encourage parents to get into this whole thing? Chance Beam: So the recruiting stuff, would tell you, you your freshman year in high school. Jason Corley: I gotta really- listen man, I got an eight-year-old, I think it's time. Jacob Moreno: hahahaha Chance Beam: Your freshman year in high school before then, and that's kind of why I laugh at like the 12 and 13 and 14, like the bat busters and all of these national showcase events. Nobody cares. You're, doing it. It's for the parents egos and the players egos and the organizations and Hey, we had 50 players ranked in the top, blah, blah, blah. And the tournament organizers. got it. And I understand why they do it. But when it really looked at like secondary level, none of that matters. And then the other thing of it is, is the rankings are all crap. Jason Corley: Okay. social media. Chance Beam: I know because I've literally sat in the room and I've seen a guy pick up the phone, make a phone call, and a kid went from 17 to number one in the country off one phone call. I saw it. I saw it with my own eyes. Jason Corley: It's that I believe you. I believe you a thousand percent. I just hope that everybody heard what you just said, because you hear the rumors and you know, you were smart enough now in this day and age, like we've all been seasoned with bullshit and enough of it that we can spot it now. And so you start to start to pick up on these things that you notice at tournaments and at events and that you see those two cars together at dinner at the same restaurant. And you just saw. Jacob Moreno: Whoa. Yeah Chance Beam: Mm-hmm. Jason Corley: You start to pick up on these things and you don't want to believe it, but you in your heart, you know, it's there, you know, this stuff has happened. Chance Beam: So Randy Mazze was a dear friend of mine. He used to be the head coach at West Virginia. I was with him at Tennessee back in 2001. Ran into him in the summer and got to talking to him a little bit and I was like, all right, I got, and my daughter at the time, she was a junior in high school and she was ranked like whatever. And I kept telling her, I was like, don't put any equity in that shit. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. So Randy, see him and I was like, hey, Randy, da, da, da. And of course she's kind of jaded because I talked to a lot of people and he's the head coach at West Virginia. And I was like, all right. Jason Corley: That's my son's, that's my son's dream. Chance Beam: Tell me what you think of the ranking. He was like, as a head baseball coach at University of West Virginia, I should be able to evaluate players better than a guy that's 22 that's never had to win or lose a game. His rankings do not have any bearing on if I take that kid or don't take that kid. Jason Corley: Okay, pay attention folks, pay attention. Pay attention because I can tell you right now that in 2026, the rankings have never meant more to more parents than they do now. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Chance Beam: 100%. And I felt victim to that myself when my daughter, my older daughter was younger. Absolutely. So I know the feeling. Jacob Moreno: ⁓ we've had this conversation as well, too. Jason Corley: Yeah. Well, listen, coach, we have taken up enough of your time. cannot, I mean this from the bottom of my heart. Number one, you have turned into a friend and number two, I cannot wait to see you at some point because hell we're going to be in Georgia three more times yet this year playing. So we're going to be. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Chance Beam: Absolutely. Jacob Moreno: You Chance Beam: Dude, you're be right past my place. Come in, come check it out. Jason Corley: Yeah, we're there three times. there. We will be there the 17th of April will be the next time we're there. And then we're there two more times once for the World Series. And then I don't remember what the other one is. But anyways, thank you. I know this is this is I knew that this conversation was going to good. I was jacked up about it. I talked to Jacob on the phone earlier today after I talked to you and I was just like, dude, this is going to be a good one. This is going to be a good one because I knew I could tell that your energy was Jacob Moreno: Thank you. Jason Corley: You were going to be right with us of it's okay to offend as long as we tell the truth. It's okay. It's okay. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Chance Beam: Yeah. Absolutely. Thank you guys for having me. I wish you guys tons of luck with your podcast. I appreciate what you guys are doing. And I think the baseball community dearly needs this for people to talk about the topics of budgets and what we're spending on teams and what we're spending on tournaments and how they put budgets together and what should we be paying and what we should be paying and all of those things is kind of been the third rail of travel baseball that nobody wanted to talk about. Jacob Moreno: Thank you. Chance Beam: And I think that we bring it out into the open and we start to expose it more. It actually does everybody in the community a service because it really exposes the bad players that are out there maybe doing for the wrong reasons. Jason Corley: Yeah, because you didn't want it to happen then. Man, I love it. I love it. All right, coach. Thank you. I will get this podcast to you. I don't know. You and I will talk tomorrow or something like that. I'll be up all night putting this thing together, but I will get you the raw footage so that you can use it on your end. just brother, thank you. Thank you for being a friend. Oh, yeah. And do have to talk to you because we got to have the sponsor send you a gift. Haha. Yeah. All right, All right, man. Chance Beam: Thanks, guys. a great night. Jacob Moreno: Yeah, thank you very much. Hopefully my dial up kicked in on your side. Chance Beam: I'm sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. ⁓ there we go, there we're talking. Jacob Moreno: I do, you know what? I've got one more. I got one more question. We were talking about tournament. No, well, we were talking about showcases and, but how Jason and I had this conversation on the episode that didn't air. We want to do a podcast from the WWBA. How important was that? Jason Corley: What? Yeah, come on, Yeah. Chance Beam: Do it in my place. Do it in my place. Jason Corley: at the Titans facility. Chance Beam: Yeah, do it in Titan's facility. Jacob Moreno: Ooh, how important is the WWBA in your eyes for because this would be the 16U one. Chance Beam: Yeah, it's like, so for example, my 15 year old travel team, 15 year old Atlanta Braves scout team, we play six events a year. That's it. Jason Corley: That's Hammond and the cares of talking about that. Yeah. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Yep. Chance Beam: Yeah, six events. gonna play, we'll play Memorial Day weekend to kind of get it kicked off. We ⁓ play the MVI, we'll play the 15 Worldwood bat, we'll play the 15 ⁓ PBR National Championship, we'll play in the 16 Worldwood bat, and then we host our own showcase at the end of the summer. Those are our six events. Jason Corley: Are you guys doing any college camps together? Chance Beam: So what we do is kind of to your point is that what I started looking at organizationally, I've got 10 teams and if they're all playing in a weekend tournament, that's 15 grand. So what we started doing is saying, all right, I take that 15 grand, how could I invest it and do it better for my players? So what we started doing is hosting our own showcase where I bring in 15 colleges. I pay for their hotels if they need them, I buy them lunch, I take care of them. We do it on either at Georgia Highlands or Kennesaw State. I'm doing it in an ice field and the kicker is is because I pay them it's a camp that coaches can be on the field and they can interact and talk to all the players but if it's a showcase they can't come down on the field and talk to anybody and so it's it's a way that we kind of help the navigate the NCAA rules and it's all it's all up board but that's one way that I found that we do for our organization that is a it's so now I got 15 eyes watching these guys instead of maybe one or two and Jacob Moreno: So you found a loophole. Jason Corley: And you have 15 strategically picked eyes. Chance Beam: That's right. So I have everybody from junior college to Kennesaw State to Georgia or Georgia State or whomever the case may be. And I've got a couple unicorns on my 15 year old team that people want to come in and see. They're 6'3", 225 at 15 and throw 88 to 91 and exit by a velocity of 105. I got a guy that's 65 runner. I got one of the top football players in the country, but oh, by the way, he plays baseball as well. So we've got some interesting guys for them and want to come see. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Jason Corley: That's awesome. That's awesome. Well, we might have to take you up on that. It's a, were trying to figure it out because, ⁓ Hudson starts football in the middle of, no, the middle of July, start and we won't even be done with, we want to be back from Cooperstown before they start football. He's going to miss the first week of football for Cooperstown, but his coach was like, it's okay. It's Cooperstown. can miss first. Yeah. ⁓ I'm glad to hear you say that too. ⁓ Jacob Moreno: July. Chance Beam: Yeah, it's a big deal. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Jason Corley: But Jacob and I were talking that, cause that tournament is in, isn't it in October? Jacob Moreno: ⁓ no, yeah, we're talking about the one in Jupiter in October. So that's the one in 17. Yeah, the one in Jupiter. Chance Beam: And Jupiter. Jason Corley: ⁓ yeah, I'm losing. Chance Beam: ⁓ you're talking about the WWBA in Jupiter. ⁓ yeah. So that is, I would say that's a pro event. Jason Corley: different. explain that real quick Jacob Moreno: Okay, can you expand on that? Chance Beam: So that's a pro event, meaning if you're going to that event, you should be on the radar to be a draft pick, right? Like that's gonna be the best of the best of the best of the best of the best. And so like that's the one event that I would say, if you can, if you've got a team in and you've got to get like every roster on that will have 40, 50 guys. Jacob Moreno: the 0.0001%. Jason Corley: Okay, because we have two teams are am I right, Jacob? Don't we have the Hammons and Karens? Jacob Moreno: Yeah, yeah, the Hammons and the Karens group that are going to go to that one. Chance Beam: Alright, and so, what's the name of you guys' organization? Jason Corley: Motor City, Motor City Hit Dogs. Jacob Moreno: Hit dogs. Chance Beam: Motor City Hiducks, yeah we played them like two years ago, he's done a nice job. ⁓ Jason Corley: would have been Hammond, Coach Mark Hammond, and then Coach Mike Cairns. Chance Beam: Yep. They have two bids or have they had to win those? Jacob Moreno: My Cairns. Jason Corley: There are two different organizations, two different teams. So one of them is out of Michigan, the other one's out of Ohio. Chance Beam: Okay, so I was thinking if it was in the same organization, it'd be hard for them both to have bids. But if they both have bids, yes, they're probably gonna be going to WWBA, which is down in Jupiter. And that's a pro event. That's I mean by that. That's where everybody has the golf carts and there's a gazillion fields and all that kind of good stuff. So I was thinking that you were talking about the WWBA that they play in the summer that's Addie's Cobb. Jacob Moreno: Yep. Jason Corley: Okay, it's not normal. Okay, well, I mean, I think that the one in Jupiter sounds like a vacation. It doesn't sound like it's reality for most parents, so I don't think it's gonna fit what we do, but I was just curious to know. go ahead, Jacob. Jacob Moreno: Yeah, the East Cobb one sounds like it's going to be more what we... Yeah. Jason Corley: Normal folks. Normal folks. Our folks. Blue collar people of the world. Yeah. Jacob Moreno: The blue collar. The blue collar. Chance Beam: Yes, it's going to be more beer budget, folks. Jason Corley: I gotcha, I gotcha. Okay, alright. Well listen coach, thank you so much brother. I hope you have a good night. You and I will talk later and we'll talk tomorrow and man I just, yeah, my immense gratitude for you doing this for us. Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Okay. Thank you so much, coach. Chance Beam: Absolutely guys, good luck with your podcast. You're doing a great job. Keep it up. Keep going guys, play ball. Jacob Moreno: Yes. Thank you. Jason Corley: Thanks, buddy. See you, coach. okay. ⁓ told you it was going to be good. I told you it was going to be good. I told you it was going to be. I had a feeling like I just folks. ⁓ a bridge. Yes. Yeah, yeah, I told you. So, folks, for those of you that are still hanging on by a thread here, because this one went long ⁓ and I wasn't I'm going to be honest with you, I left seven. Jacob Moreno: What the fuck, bro? That's a good one. That. I feel like we just went from here to here. Jason Corley: seven topics on the table. Jacob Moreno: You know, I forward these topics to myself from the email. Yeah, so I was following along, but I didn't want to step on your toes and ask questions. Jason Corley: Okay, so you are, so you know that I didn't cover everything. Yeah. No, think it, I do. I think it flowed great. We let him do, we let him be him and give us the information that we were dying to have. But I told folks, I told Jacob earlier today on the phone, I said, I feel like we just got blessed because we decided to scrap that last podcast that was going to do a lot of damage. Yes. That was, it was in a very emotional podcast that Jacob Moreno: It did. No, it went real good. Yup. That last podcast, I think, would have done a lot of damage to us. Jason Corley: I hit the delete button on instead of post button and within 24 hours myself and coach beam were able to connect and within 26 hours he's on our podcast. That tells you how the Lord works of like be honorable. Don't like we can still be honest bro and do what we do without destroying the system. Jacob Moreno: Yes. I think the problem was with that last one, we were way too emotional. Jason Corley: I was still too close to it. Jacob Moreno: we were still riding on that high wave and we hadn't hit the bottom yet. Because I don't think it was just you. Because I sat back and I really thought about that conversation and I was like, ooh, we were both on 100. And we were gonna hurt ourselves, our kids, and yeah. Jason Corley: Yep. Yep. Yeah. And I No, it wasn't. wasn't. You were skewed. Yeah. Yeah. And when my our kids, we were going to hurt the kids. I wasn't concerned about me. I really honestly wasn't. man, when, you know, when Lindsay was just like, she's like, is, you know, did you publish it yet? I'm like, no, I'm, know, I just, want to sleep on it. And I didn't sleep. I didn't sleep. I just toss and turned. mean, I might've slept a couple hours here and there, but I mean, I just kept thinking about the ramifications of, well, if this airs, like this is going to, this is, this is directly going to target certain individuals. Jacob Moreno: Here goes this. Jason Corley: And this could have lasting effects on my son. And I just couldn't do it. And I got the biggest hug in the morning when she found out that I hit the delete button. And she's just like, I think. Yeah. Jacob Moreno: See ya. But can I ask you a question? We didn't publish it, but did you feel better? Jason Corley: I felt better after I talked to you about it. Jacob Moreno: No, no, no, but I'm saying, did you come off that high? Jason Corley: Yes. Yes. I came off the high because I was processing it. This is not my fight. This is not my fight. This is not my to fight for some, you know, for other things. That's not even my, that's not my team. That's not my coach. So what am I, what do I care? What do, why should I invest this much when that's not even, that's not even my son's. Right. Right. That is nothing. So I just let it go. And I will tell you that Jacob Moreno: That's why you were level-headed and you thought about it. Yep. Yep. Yep. Why am I walking out on this plank for something that has nothing to really do with me? Jason Corley: I haven't even thought about it ever since Coach Beam has communicated with me and we connected and we have another guest coming on later in the week that's going to be awesome. We have got back to back to back. So I just feel like ever since we did that, the Lord just the Lord just blessed us and was just like this. This is this is what you guys are capable of if we do this. So thank you again. Jacob Moreno: Neither am I. And then next week we're gonna have another guest that's gonna be awesome. I let you guys almost ruin yourselves, but now that you guys were mature enough to realize that that wasn't what needed to be done here, I'm gonna give you guys this. Jason Corley: Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, I've got to be honest with you. I was having flashbacks of archery. I was having flashback flashbacks of of burning the bridge when I walked out when I walked out of it and burn it all all to the ground. You know what mean? I had flashbacks of it in and it's never. Jacob Moreno: We're not that big yet, so don't do that yet. I get it. Jason Corley: I'm just saying, but I'm just saying, like, that's, that's a lot of why I didn't because I was like, I know how that like, there are, there were a lot of people that are very sensitive in this world and in this especially in business. And when you jeopardize business dollars, that can have a, that can have a massive, massive impact. And, and us having conversations like we were going to have, we're going to have ramifications on business dollars without a doubt. So, Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Yeah, ⁓ yeah. ⁓ yeah, that. Yep. Yeah. Yes. Jason Corley: Yes, so anyways, all right, man. Let's get out of here. That was great, dude I'm so thankful to him. I can't wait. I I can't wait to be around him in person I can't wait to get there now and go back because I know exactly where the building's at I know who he is and I'm gonna walk in and we're probably gonna dab it up so I can't wait I cannot win so Jacob Moreno: That was a good one. Yup. Yep. Yeah. I can't wait either, man. That was a good one. I did. I really enjoyed that. I mean, I feel that recruiting. That's nifty, man. Yes. Jason Corley: I was... I know. Yeah. Yeah. His service, his website. Yes. Yes. And we'll plug all that guys. We'll have this. We'll have this in the, the, in the, in the bio along with, listen, I don't want to forget because I don't want to go on without saying this. This episode 1000 % was not just brought to you by Bardstown Bourbon and Green River Whiskey. It was also brought to you by BaselineSports.us. And if you guys use the promo code TDP15 at checkout. Jacob Moreno: Baselines. Yep. Jason Corley: You'll get save a little money. You'll also say a thank you to that sponsor that was able to help us pull this off. OK. And I'm telling you right now that it's stuff like that that allows me to go out and track down Coach Beam and build this relationship to bring you guys the information. So if you guys want the information to keep coming and for us to have these kind of conversations again, we have got to have your support. So thank you anyways. All right. right, buddy. Let's get out of here. I love you. Jacob Moreno: Yes. Yep. Thank you guys. All right. Love you. See ya. Bye. Jason Corley: Love you, see you, bye.