Jason Corley: what is going on everybody. Welcome to the travel dads podcast brought to you by Bartstown bourbon and green river whiskey. I am your host Jason Corley alongside with my amigo.

Jacob Moreno: Jacob Moran, bienvenidos al otro episodio de Travel Desk Podcast.

Jason Corley: What up man, how's your Sunday?

Jacob Moreno: It's been a long weekend.

Jason Corley: Every every time we get on here, there's there's I know. You're just like it's like a drag for you to do this now.

Jacob Moreno: No, it's not a drag at all. It's, well, I mean, I told you the situation about the whole, so we just been with that all weekend. But besides that, it's been good basketball, watching basketball and stuff. How about you?

Jason Corley: Yeah. Yeah, Michigan slaughtering it. Yeah, like we've got a we've got a dad and son bracket going on between myself, HUD, James and Paxton. And HUD's been like running away with it the whole tournament. And all of a sudden HUD's getting a little piece of humble pie because ⁓ I don't remember who he had. I don't remember who he had to win the whole thing, but they're out of it. ⁓ I think they were one of the top seeds. ⁓ I had Michigan to win the whole thing. So I'm starting to, I've been like in third place the whole time, this whole, you know what mean? And now I'm a second, you know what I mean? And like, I'm on the heels of being in first place. So, ⁓ yeah, but outside of that, we actually had been watching college baseball weekend. So we've been watching the Vandy Tennessee, duel that's been going on all weekend long. They've had a series in Vandy and then,

Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Yeah, I Vandy hit a green slam to win the game.

Jason Corley: Yeah. And then Vandy last night had a bunt 16 innings, 16 innings that game went. Yeah. And they won it with a walk off bunt. So, yeah. Yeah. ⁓ and then today, today they were playing and the, the, the scores have been out of control with, with those two teams. Like today, when I turned it off, when I was working on show notes and, ⁓ I turned it off, I think it was.

Jacob Moreno: Nice.

Jason Corley: I want to say it was 12 nine. ⁓ and like just been high scoring games, like hitting all over the, like all over the place. And, and then I switched over because Mississippi state was playing Ole Miss and I wanted to watch that game. Yeah. Yeah. So, ⁓ but it's, is, yeah, it's a good series, but it's, man, it's one of those things where, ⁓ it's like, I get really interested in it. Like I,

Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Ooh. That's a good series.

Jason Corley: I see it on guide and I'm like, ⁓ and then I go in and I tune in and like, I don't know, 20 minutes in, I'm like, okay, this is just like watching paint dry. You know what I mean? fuck, cannot.

Jacob Moreno: on the guide here. Yup, sound like me man. And then you're flipping the channel or looking for something else to watch.

Jason Corley: Yeah, or I'm just getting up, I'm walking outside and went and shot bass. I went and shot hoops with the boys, you know, and I just, ⁓ so, but today, while we're folks, while we're waiting, we've got a special guest on today. His name is Bobby minor ⁓ Bobby minor is on Instagram and Tik TOK chasing baseball dreams is how is his handle, I guess you could say. And I think he's, ⁓ don't know if he's going to talk about this or not. I can't remember.

Jacob Moreno: Yeah.

Jason Corley: But this is a podcast. This isn't live broadcast. So if he doesn't want me to say it, then I won't say it and we'll edit this part out. But I think he's writing a book, Chasing Baseball Dreams. ⁓ I think he's all, I think he's an author as well. And ⁓ cause he told me the other night on the other day on the phone, he was finishing his book up right now. So I can't remember if that was what he didn't want me to talk about or if it was another thing that he didn't want me, he didn't want me to bring up. Which I respect I won't. ⁓ Yeah, it's.

Jacob Moreno: ⁓ nice. Yeah.

Jason Corley: I think he moonlights in another, in another, with, with another, I think there was a, there was a company that he's affiliated with that he doesn't want to bring up is all so, it's, in the baseball world. ⁓ and I'll tell you off air, but sorry folks, I just, I'm trying to respect our guests and I don't want to, ⁓ I don't want to reveal stuff that they don't want revealed. I'm gonna, so, ⁓ but,

Jacob Moreno: Okay. ⁓ yeah. I mean, so I text you earlier, so I text you earlier and I felt like you got little annoyed with me when you were like, when I was like, what are we talking about tonight? But to...

Jason Corley: Yeah. It's folks. literally, Jacob literally texts me. He's known about this interview for days. He's known about this guest for days. Ever since, since the day I booked chance beam coach beam, I also told him about Bobby Miner. Okay. This was just, yeah. You can giggle if you want, you can giggle. And he literally today after I'm, I have a group chat going on between him and Bobby, making sure everybody's in line with timeframe because Bobby's

Jacob Moreno: Mmm. Yes. a week ago.

Jason Corley: couple hours back and he's in Texas. got to make sure everybody's and Jacob texts me privately then. So what do need to know about this guy? What was my response to you?

Jacob Moreno: Have you not been watching this shit?

Jason Corley: Like, would you want like, do you like, do you want me to, to like, do you want me to take bobby pins and put your diaper up and around your big ass hips? Like, how do you want me to?

Jacob Moreno: No, man, but I just laughed and I was like, I, yeah, I know. Like I have been, I have been, it's just so, but yeah, I was like, I text back, like, yes, you're right. I have been.

Jason Corley: You know as much as I do. Which you haven't, but you hadn't. So you did a crash course. I would say that if I'm a betting guy, there's probably a crash course that took place within the last two hours. ⁓

Jacob Moreno: No, I have been, but you know. No, but I did go back and watch them. But I started once I went back and I was like, shit, because I didn't put the name to the tag.

Jason Corley: Bro, I sent it to you. I literally sent you the profile.

Jacob Moreno: I know you did. I know you did. And I watched it. But in my head, when you sent me the name, it just, I don't know. It just didn't click that they were the same person.

Jason Corley: I see, I would have thought my assumption would have been my racial assumption would have been that you'd have been giggles over this one. Like that you guys would try to take this into Spanish direction because I mean, I'll just unplug this shit in mid I'll just literally sink the boat mid course. I swear.

Jacob Moreno: No, we're not going do that, but we might, we may. ⁓ You know what guys this one's not gonna air No, I'm saying if it went that direction

Jason Corley: ⁓ yeah it is. Yeah it is. No, yeah, no. If it went that direction, I'd have to enable the SEP option here on the podcast. Be like, do you want to translate this? Yeah, I guess we're going to have to boss.

Jacob Moreno: S-A-E-S-P. Yeah. No, yeah, once I went back. No, his videos are very interesting, man. I like them.

Jason Corley: ⁓ there he is. There he is. We're going to tag team him in. Hold on. Hold on. All right. Mr. Bobby! Hold on a minute.

Bobby Minor: What's up guys?

Jacob Moreno: Hey, what's up Bobby? How are you?

Bobby Minor: Good. You want me to do like this? You want me to get this close to the camera?

Jason Corley: There you are. Right? What is going on, bud? ⁓

Jacob Moreno: hahahaha

Bobby Minor: Nothing much, nothing much. ⁓

Jason Corley: Did you get your son to come over and dog sit?

Bobby Minor: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's over here. He's the one. So when I talk about my oldest son, that's who it is. Yeah, he's over here. ⁓ Puppy sitting for. Yeah, Julian's younger one. Caleb's my older son.

Jason Corley: Okay. Julian is the younger one, correct?

Bobby Minor: And yeah, he's 30, 34. He'll be 35. Yeah, I think.

Jacob Moreno: Yeah, good way to put him on the spot.

Jason Corley: Yeah, well, yeah, I don't know. mean, yeah, I just

Jacob Moreno: ⁓ so he's close to my age.

Bobby Minor: Wow, I could be your dad.

Jason Corley: Yeah. Bobby, hold are you Bobby?

Jacob Moreno: Yeah.

Bobby Minor: I'm 59. I'll be 16 August.

Jason Corley: Okay, just turned 50 in January. we got a couple babies. got a couple babies over there. but folks, just want to we were now welcomed by we were given folks a little well, we actually weren't giving them any information on you because we were bitching about Jacob not being ready for tonight's podcast. So I was making fun of him and then you tagged in. So folks, we are joined by Bobby Miner also known as aka chasing baseball dreams.

Jacob Moreno: The end on 36 will be 37 in June.

Bobby Minor: Okay.

Jacob Moreno: you

Jason Corley: on Instagram, TikTok, where else, dad?

Bobby Minor: YouTube, and that's pretty much it.

Jason Corley: Okay. Okay. All right. now, listen, I can edit this out. I don't want to edit this out, but I'm going to ask you, are you or are you not? Is it okay to say that you are an author? Okay. Okay.

Bobby Minor: Yeah, ⁓ yeah, absolutely. I've written other books. I'm in the process of writing Chasing Baseball Dreams. a matter of fact, I published this book, Influence Over 50. Yeah, so I am an author.

Jason Corley: Okay, that's what I thought. That's what I said. Okay. Okay, awesome, awesome. Well, how we got hooked up was through obviously social media. ⁓ I came across your content and I was blown away. I wasn't blown away. I was very intrigued. It sparked my interest and I thought that you were very, very close to my mental lining and my thinking when it comes to what I'm feeling, what I'm going through.

Jacob Moreno: Okay.

Jason Corley: you and I were really close in our thought patterns. Now, I'm not going to say that they're close for everybody out there, but for me and you, that's what sparked my interest in you. And then we started a dialogue and I said, Hey, would you like to come on the podcast? And let's, you know, instead of having this conversation via text, let's have this conversation on the podcast because there is a lot of things that you have gone through over the years. And if there's anything that we're trying to do, it's trying to We're seeking answers. It's like we're in church this morning. We're just seeking answers. And I know that you're not claiming to have them all, but you definitely have got, again, more experience going through this as we are going through this. So that's kinda how this thing came to be. And you said yes, and here we are tonight. So ⁓ thank you. Thank you for coming on the show, man.

Jacob Moreno: Yes, thank you.

Bobby Minor: No, my pleasure. It's funny you mentioned church because I'm a former pastor also. I was a pastor for over a dozen years and baseball with my son, Julian, something that happened with him is one of the things that kind of led me to step out of full-time vocational ministry. So we can talk about that later if we want to.

Jason Corley: Okay. Yeah, yeah, sure. Kind of how I want to do this night is I've got a few questions here that I want to go over with you. It's nothing that's going to surprise you. We've actually kind of covered some of these things on the telephone the other day. I just literally said telephone like it's 1982. But I also, I know there are also a couple things that I have saved a couple of your reels and I'm going to play them on the air.

Jacob Moreno: you are up there in age.

Jason Corley: ⁓ on what the audio is going to come through. And I just want you to expand a little bit more on some of my favorite ones that you have posted ⁓ so that we can get more context of what drove you to make that real and what you were experiencing. But before we get into that, I want to ask you, how have you seen the landscape of travel ball change since your oldest to your youngest? How have you seen it changed?

Bobby Minor: Okay, well, so my oldest son will be 35 this year. My youngest son is 21. He's playing college baseball. So when my oldest son was playing baseball, never played travel baseball. Down here, I call it select baseball. That's what we call it typically down here in DFW. I say travel baseball a lot now because it seems like that's more widespread. so when he played, he huh? What?

Jason Corley: More politically correct. More politically correct. Yeah.

Bobby Minor: I guess. Yeah, yeah, because that's all you do. You travel. There's nothing select about it anymore unless you select the right credit card then you need to play. But so my youngest, oldest son played select baseball to me really was select baseball. You had, know, you didn't have, I mean, a million teams and, you know, double A, triple A majors and all this. It was, you know, for the most part, kind like just open based events and the people that played could actually play.

Jason Corley: Right. Day.

Bobby Minor: So that's one of the biggest differences because now, and I talk about this a lot too, anybody can start a team. Anybody can label their team, double A, triple A majors. If they want to, they can call themselves, you know, the renegade scout team, the renegades national elite, whatever, and they can do that. So that's one of the biggest differences that to me, it's not select. It's anybody, it's like a free for all. Anybody and everybody that wants to start a team, start an organization, can call it whatever they want and they're in business.

Jason Corley: Yeah. Well, it's a lot to like, I'll refer back to a professional archery. there's really no qualification process to be a professional archer. just gotta pay your D you just gotta pay the fee and get your pro card. ⁓ literally you just gotta pay your entry fee and you can enter whatever, whatever event you want to. There's no point system that is required except for what is it, Jacob, the PGI now that you have to have a certain amount of, or the beast, the beast of the east.

Jacob Moreno: Beast of the East and in the PGI as well. gotta, I you gotta be.

Jason Corley: Yeah, but outside of that, does U-S-S-A, do they, do they require us to have a certain amount of points to make the World Series? No. No, I agree with you. I agree with you. There's no, there's no curriculum.

Jacob Moreno: No, no.

Bobby Minor: Yeah.

Jacob Moreno: no set stand, there's no set standard to what, you know, the baseline of what it is.

Bobby Minor: Yeah, now there may be some World Series that you do have to qualify for, but for every one that you actually have to qualify for, there's probably a dozen that you just pay your, you you pay your money and you can go. And so it's, there's in Dallas Fort Worth, I mean, you could play in a different, different World Series every week through probably June and July.

Jason Corley: Yeah, yeah. What hard lessons did you learn from one son to the other when it comes to sports? And I don't just mean, and he's already smiling. I don't just mean baseball because this is, we don't want to pigeonhole ourselves come fall that this is just a baseball podcast because we have football in our lives. We have basketball in our lives. So what did, what hard lessons did you learn?

Bobby Minor: No, I think just real quick to what you just said, I mentioned this a lot in a lot of my videos that I post that the things that I talk about aren't exclusive to baseball for the most part, you know. So I mean, what I learned is, my oldest son, because I played baseball in college, division one baseball back in the eighties, I got hurt. I played in Mexico a lot. played on a very almost kind of like a men's select team back in the early 90s when my oldest son was born and very competitive a lot of you former college players and things like that and my oldest son started playing when he was three years old with five and six year olds because they didn't have anything for three and four year olds right now I had to find a little league that made me sign a waiver and let him play so what I didn't realize at the time is that I mean it became a grind for him really early and so by the time he was ⁓ Eight, we were weakened to A All-Stars, and he said he wanted to quit baseball and just play golf. And so, you we spent a week trying to talk him out of it, me the other coaches, but ultimately that's what he did, and he went on to play golf through high school. And you know, that was kind of his path. But what I learned from that was when my youngest son was, I wasn't gonna make it a grind early. I was gonna introduce him to the sport. I would help facilitate whatever he wanted, but I wanted him to fall in love with it on his own. then we would just go at whatever speed he wanted to. And he was just totally different. I he fell in love with it early. He was consumed with it. I mean, like he was only played baseball. That's all that he played. He played basketball and things with his friends, but in terms of organized sports, that's all that he wanted to do. I mean, literally every day. But the biggest thing that I learned and the lesson is like, A, your kid has to want it and love it more than you do, first of all, no matter what the sport is. And you know, B, like everybody's path is different. so, I mean, those are, yeah, cause it is, cause everybody, I got to talk a lot about early bloomers, late bloomers and all of that. But it really like, you know, my son, for example, was as a freshman, five, six, 120 pounds. And you know, by the time he graduated, he was 61, 180. And so a lot of things changed over the course of four years. And so I don't, don't mean, I don't.

Jason Corley: You've talked a lot about that. ⁓

Bobby Minor: I'm not, I'm never saying that every early bloomer falls off the map and I'm not saying that every late bloomer always catches up, but you would be surprised. You know, I usually speak, I'm not speaking to the 10 % on this side or the 10 % on this side. I'm usually speaking to the 80 % in the middle. And even with that 80%, nothing that I say applies to everyone all the time. But you'd be surprised how many people comment on my comment on my post saying I was that kid. My son was that kid as a junior. He didn't even make JV end up playing D3 baseball, but he played professionally for eight years. I get comments like that all the time. There are stories out there of the kid that just didn't have it early on and he still made it.

Jason Corley: Yeah. What started, what was the reason why you started making content? Like what inspired that?

Bobby Minor: Well, she'll appreciate me saying this, my wife. My wife had been telling me for, I mean, two or three years, my wife had been telling me for so long that I needed to share my experience with people. She's been telling me this for so long that when I originally was gonna do it, I was gonna start a blog. So I can kind of tell you, you know, when it was. I'm also.

Jason Corley: Okay. Back on MySpace.

Bobby Minor: Well, yeah, a little bit post my space, but I'm also in real estate. And so that's why I, you know, I post a lot of content on real estate and I just decided in, I think in November that I'm just going to kind of go all in. Cause this is what I'm passionate about. I do real estate as a means to an end. I'm passionate about baseball. I love helping people. I know that a lot of people are not going to listen because they think that, you know, little Johnny who

Jacob Moreno: Yeah

Jason Corley: you

Jacob Moreno: Hehehehehe

Bobby Minor: five home runs this weekend in ⁓ baseball with his freaking crazy hot bat that ⁓ something special. Maybe he is, but they're not gonna listen to me because everybody thinks their kid is different. And I know because I was there too, but it's really my wife. She's the one. then I just finally made the decision that ⁓ gonna do it. I'm committed. I post something every single day.

Jason Corley: Well, I'm glad you do because I, I have, I don't think I've found, I don't think I've found anything that you've posted yet that I have been, that I haven't, that I haven't found interesting. You know what I mean? ⁓ I can't even say, I can't even say that I was going to say that I, that I disagree with because I don't, that's a strong word and I don't know what my, I don't know what my algorithm says here, but you, there's a reason why you popped up. You know what I mean? There's a reason why you popped up and you keep popping up.

Jacob Moreno: Yeah, me too.

Bobby Minor: Okay, yeah.

Jason Corley: because for some reason Metta's got your brain and my brain somehow wired together. ⁓ Who knows? Who knows, Bobby? Yeah. Easy, easy, easy. All right. I want to play one of these that I really loved and I want to hear, I want you to just expand just a little bit more and give us a little bit more context of what made you come up with this thought and why you decided to put it on video. Let me see here. This is the one.

Bobby Minor: I don't know that's good or bad, Jacob, you'll have to tell.

Jacob Moreno: ⁓ No one Jason, could, we play that gray area.

Bobby Minor: Okay.

Jason Corley: Okay, this is a good one because we talk about this all the time. year in baseball. It's actually the most misleading. And what happens at 13U exposes everything you got wrong. At 12U, the big kids dominate. Not because they're better, because they're bigger. That kid hitting bombs and throwing 70, he might just be the most physically mature. And parents watch that in panic. They chase bigger teams, more tournaments, more exposure for a 12 year old. Then 13U hits. The field gets bigger, the throws get longer, puberty becomes the great equalizer. and half the dominant 12U kids disappear. 12U isn't the proving ground. It's the last year that size beats skill. Build a player ready for 13U. ⁓ I absolutely love that. I absolutely love that because it's something that we obviously see a ton of, you know, and it's really, really, it's really hard for some of these talented kids to not get discouraged when they walk to a field and see a 12 year old that's six foot two already that's standing on a mound waiting to chew them up.

Bobby Minor: Yeah, I now I feel like anytime I post a video like this, if I'm talking about a specific age group, I get all these people jumping into the comments, saying like, no, 14 years, the biggest transition year, you know, and so they're like, there are multiple transitions that players go through if they keep playing, you know what I mean? A lot of them, like I 75 % of them are done by 14, so they don't experience all the transitions, but. Yeah, yeah.

Jason Corley: Yeah. Why you gotta ruin it? I'm gonna play that one.

Jacob Moreno: Hehehehehe

Bobby Minor: So like, you know, like 11U is a big transition year. I mentioned that and people were like, no, no, no. Because mentally you have to reach the point of if I'm going to keep up, I have to start putting in the work. You know, 12U is like, to me, it's the last year where again, size alone can, can mask a lot of deficiencies. did, I did a video on, we played and people thought I was like, I was a sore loser when my son, Julian was 12.

Jason Corley: Yeah.

Bobby Minor: I think we were 11 or 12. I don't know. We played a team in a fall local tournament here in Dallas, Fort Worth. We played against a DBAT North team that was sponsored by the guy that started Prime USA or USA Prime, that whole organization. I mean, the dude's loaded. Anyway, every one of those kids to your point was like five, 10, five, 11, you know, and we're playing on a 200 foot field. and they flew in kids for the tournament. And my whole point was like, it's a waste because out of that team, I think only two are playing college baseball right now. And that was more my point, not that I was a sore loser or anything, but the transition like from 12 to 13 and then 13 to 14, because not everybody at 13 plays 60-90, but if you play any legit events, you're going to play 60-90. You might be playing 54-80, but still the field gets bigger. And then when you're using a BB core and on a big field, like all of that goes away. But what I've seen, and again, not every, A big 12 year old isn't a hard worker. But what I see a lot is you got this kid that he's 11 and he's so much bigger and all he has to do is just stick the bat out there and he's hitting three home runs a game. He is not putting in the work that a lot of the other players are because he thinks that he's already arrived and parents have no idea that really soon it's gonna flip because kids grow five inches from January to the summer and. know, kids that were hitting dingers are now hitting lasers and it starts to change. And if you're not putting in the work, you're going to be left behind. You're going be caught off guard.

Jason Corley: Yeah. What is your son's, what's been, what's been Julian's path? Like what, you know, did he, and, I, I want to, I want you to tell a story. Like what has been his path as far as, you know, ⁓ the lessons that you learned with your oldest son and what you decided, like what type of organization you found to put him in. Did you change organizations and how did that grow into school ball that he is now playing, you know, college baseball?

Bobby Minor: Wow. Yeah. Wow. So Julian's path, ⁓ he started, I started him off in wreck ball. Like it wasn't, you know, ⁓ a very, you know, a good, probably the best little league in Fort Worth, but I mean, he started him off in wreck ball. And when he was nine, got a call from a friend of mine who had a, had a nine, you double A select team. needed the 10th player and he asked me if Julian would play. So I think we only had like a month left of little league. So he played both. And then we started playing. ⁓ He was the statistically, he was the worst player on the team ⁓ easily. And then I started helping coach the team and we were a nine UAA team. The thing is with that, had a team eight out of our 10 players were all from like a two mile radius. They're all inner city. And we took that team from nine UAA, you all the way through to 11 and 12 U majors team, one of the best teams in Texas, but the Julian's path. So, you know, that's kind of how we started playing and ⁓ I think 13, 13 years, I coached Julian all the way up through 12 years. 13 years, I realized that we needed to leave that team because not everybody was on the same path as Julian. Although from our nine year team, we have four kids from that nine year AA team that are all playing in college right now. Julian was the only one, he's a redshirt sophomore, but one of the kids is playing at Texas State right now, balling out, two are playing at Sol Ross, I think. But the crazy thing is, the two statistically worst players on the team and the two statistically best players on the team. that were the big kids. ⁓ So, and that's why I say everybody's path is different. You can't tell anything at nine-year. But 13-year we started the transition. Julian had the opportunity to play 13 and 14-year with some good coaches. And then 15-year, I started coaching him again with an organization. But Julian, up through that point, it's just kind of crazy because Julian's 14-year summer, Julian is one of the probably the hardest working kid I've ever seen. His hard-

Jason Corley: Yeah, you told me something. You told me about this a little bit that he got some award and you were just that was that was your one of your proudest moments.

Bobby Minor: Yeah. Yeah, his high school, he played for Pasco High School in Fort Worth. If Hobie Milner, left-handed pitcher, now he's with the Cubs. Played for the Rangers last year. Hobie graduated from Pasco. Julien's junior year, the alumni game, spring training got pushed back a couple of weeks. So Hobie came and pitched one inning in the alumni game to get some work in. Struck out three batters. One batter got a base hit off of him. It was Julian. He was sitting first pitch fastball. He smoked a line drive to left center off a major league pitcher. anyway, but Paschal, so a kid, Drew Medford was graduated, I don't know, 10 years ago maybe, was gonna play at TCU, died in a car wreck. So they had this big memorial tournament for him. And every team picks one senior that gets a scholarship and Julian got the scholarship for Paschal. And his coach said, just he's the hardest worker he's ever seen. So Julian has always put in the work and that's really what's helped him get to where he is.

Jacob Moreno: Thank

Bobby Minor: But his 14-year summer, it was just horrible. He batted 200 for the whole summer. I think he had 10 hits. just chance encounter, not enough time to tell this story, but I got to.

Jason Corley: Now 14-year summer is eighth grade year, right? Going into freshman? Okay.

Bobby Minor: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He had a 200 and he was literally ready to quit. And we got back from some perfect game event and he picked up with the 17U team of all things. Struggling to 14U but I'm gonna go play a 17U tournament. And I got connected to a guy that also graduated from Pasco in Fort Worth, Hermann Duran. He played in the majors with the Rangers, played at TCU. And Hermann totally just...

Jacob Moreno: Yeah.

Bobby Minor: Didn't mess with his swing a lot, just told him, I'm gonna teach him how to think like a major league hitter. That fall, Julian had a tournament. He went like five for 10, had four doubles in this tournament. And I knew something was going on. Anyway, 15-year summer, he went lights out, batted like 450. But he played like just, I mean, on good select baseball teams, travel ball teams, up to his junior year. The sticks, not the Arkansas sticks or anything, but the sticks out of Dallas-Fort Worth, he played on the Sticks 2023 scout team with. tons of D1 players and everything. And then ⁓ his senior year, he played with D-Bat United on their Connie Mack World Series team, got to play in the Connie Mack World Series. ⁓ When he was a freshman, he got invited to the MLB Dream Series, but that's kind of that. So he got a full ride to a Division I Junior College in one of the toughest regions anywhere, Region V. Probably one of the top two three Juco conferences in the country. He got a full ride to a school there and it just wasn't a good fit. Either way, he redshirted and then he transferred, which is kind of crazy, to another school in the same conference, which is rare for them to even allow it because you had to get a release. But going in, but that summer before he was going last, ⁓ a year ago this summer, he hurt his elbow in summer ball and so spent the whole fall rehabbing. So ⁓ last spring, You know, he kind of fought his way back. then right now he's playing at Saracoso Community College in Rich Chris, California with two of his buddies from his first school. It's just good opportunity and he's playing well. I think he's been like 275, but he's like top 10 in the conference in several statistical categories, having a lot of fun. And now he's trying to figure out where he's going to. Might be playing in Canada this summer and the plan is for him to transfer somewhere next year. you know, next fall and keep playing for his last two years. And he still hopes to play professionally somewhere. So that's kind of.

Jason Corley: Okay, so that is his ultimate dream is to make a living doing this. Okay.

Jacob Moreno: Thank you.

Bobby Minor: Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Whether it's here in Korea, Japan, Mexico, you know, there's lots of places to play Australia, lots of places we can play and get paid other than in the MLB.

Jason Corley: Sure. And that is definitely chasing the dream. mean, hence your book. So you're, yeah, you've, you've probably got more chapters to write yet, even though it's, even though this one's done, there might be, there might be a version two coming.

Bobby Minor: Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. What? Yeah, in the structure of that book, each chapter is kind of like a life lesson that I feel that I've learned along my journey with Julian. Like, for example, be as happy for others as you want them to be happy for you.

Jacob Moreno: Number two.

Bobby Minor: because it's so easy to hate on somebody else when, you know, why did that kid get invited to this? Or why, you know, why are these things not happening for my son? We made a decision a long time ago. think when he was in the eighth grade, somebody commits early or whatever, they get invited, we're gonna be happy for them. We're gonna celebrate them because I want them to be happy for Julie. So that's just like one of the things, one of the chapters in my book.

Jason Corley: ⁓ sure. Yeah. think that one thing too, that a lot of parents, ⁓ that a lot, the argument with a lot of parents is, that you guys in Texas have got it made. Okay. Well, you really do you in Texas, in Marietta, Georgia and Tampa, Florida, Miami, like, yeah, there's not a whole lot of travel that's necessary to get good competition. And which is kind of the whole struggle in which

Jacob Moreno: Florida, California.

Bobby Minor: Florida, Arizona, Mm-hmm.

Jason Corley: was why we started this podcast. As come in from Michigan and Northeast Ohio, ⁓ A, baseball's not a priority here. It's all, we live in football country. And B, in order to get top level competition week in and week out, we do have to travel to these places. So the stress on us, ⁓ obviously financially and everything else is a completely different world from what you guys have to do where you can go an hour each weekend.

Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Yeah.

Jason Corley: and see the top 30 teams in the entire country. You know what I mean? So I find it interesting that your journey and Julian's journey can be tough in different ways, because ours comes from just the overall struggle of the travel side of it. And your guys is just the constantly beating of each other's heads in every weekend.

Bobby Minor: Thank Yeah. Yeah, no, and I'll tell you, it's funny to me, probably my biggest regret with Julian as a dad was encouraging him to, well, so his senior year, so the junior year and senior year fall, we played for a Dallas Tigers team. Head coach was Blake Bevin, played in the majors. I was one of the assistants on the team. We had a great team. So after we played for them in the fall, the summer after they graduate, they're going to play a heavy tournament schedule, trying to get a Connie Mack ⁓ invitation. And Julian got asked to play with the D-Bat United team, which had an automatic birth or bid to the Connie Mack. And I told Julian, it's your decision, but man, it's hard to pass up a guaranteed thing versus a not guaranteed thing. And I wish he would have played for the Dallas Tigers because they came within one out of winning a tournament. that would have qualified them for the Connie Mack. Julian was the everyday shortstop on that team. He would have played probably every inning in the Connie Mack versus the team that he was on where leading up to the Connie Mack, he played every inning of every game. But at the Connie Mack, he played very little. He did play, but he played very little because they picked up a kid named Jackson Willits, who's short starting shortstop at OU. His brother Eli, I think might've just gotten drafted. And so they picked up an extra infielder and then Julian was kind of the odd man out. so hindsight's 20-20, but I mean that's a case where I wish and part of my motivation was I didn't want to a bunch of money ⁓ traveling you know trying to kind of chasing you know chasing this thing that may not happen.

Jacob Moreno: He didn't want to do what we do, to travel and sleep in hotels and...

Jason Corley: Yeah.

Bobby Minor: I'm more of an Airbnb. I'll rent an Airbnb. I don't even care if it's supposed to be a stay and play. I don't care what PG says. I've never stayed at the hotels. I always rent an Airbnb.

Jason Corley: Yeah, we're dancing with that devil right now because we've always done the Airbnb thing. my family, Jacob's family, and usually we'll tag in another family. ⁓ But unfortunately, the majority on our team don't approve of that. And ⁓ it can ruffle some feathers and ⁓ it creates conflict, I guess. Um, so yeah, so this year we're just, this year we are devoted. I think the only time we're doing an Airbnb this year is for the world series. Um, and maybe the Dallas one. think those are the two because they're, you know, a week and 10 days long. Um, well, Cooperstown, but we're not staying with the boys. So doesn't matter. And Cooperstown is in a state of place. So it doesn't matter. Um, but, uh, those are the two events that we just can't, unfortunately, we just can't accommodate.

Bobby Minor: Yeah. Yeah.

Jacob Moreno: Thank

Jason Corley: feelings we have to accommodate our checkbook that's going to over that's going to override it so.

Bobby Minor: Parents, they think like, let's say the fee to play for a team for the spring and summer is $2,500, okay? And they, so in their mind, hey, it's $2,500, that's not too bad, but they're not thinking about the uniforms, the hotels, airfare, gas, meals, you know, all these things that add up, and that $2,500 can easily become 10, 15, $20,000.

Jacob Moreno: Yeah.

Jason Corley: Well, I think too is, is I think that, ⁓ and I'm just going to say it, this is probably going to piss a lot of people, a lot of people off, but I think that sometimes you forget what economic bracket you sit in. And I think that you forget that others aren't in your same economic bracket. And I just, and it's not to, I don't fault them, but I think that they're just so used to living a certain way. Yeah. And that's just not how everybody can live.

Jacob Moreno: you Yes. A certain.

Bobby Minor: Mm-hmm.

Jason Corley: So I think that it can come off as being snobby or arrogant, or we don't want to be part of the team, which literally, no, we actually want to be part of the team so bad that we're going to come even though this is a huge financial stressful situation. So it's, and you can't have, how do you have that conversation with another family? You can't, because you're coming from two completely different economic circles. So you just have to hold it. Yes. Yeah. So. ⁓

Jacob Moreno: Yeah, they don't seem to understand that.

Bobby Minor: Yeah. Yeah, you're still on.

Jason Corley: I want to touch on some of your parents inside of this now. I want to touch on some of the dad side of this now. And there's a, there's a real here that you posted that I want to, I want the audience to listen to. And then I want you to expand a little bit more on this one as well. You're coaching every pitch and it shows up later. This starts at eight, nine, 10, when it feels harmless. Watch those games, parents on the fence, telling them where to throw, when to go, what to do. So the kid never has to think. I've watched this play out. At 13 or 14, when the game speeds up and the field gets bigger, those same kids freeze when nobody's telling them what to do next because they've never had to decide anything on their own. You're not helping. You're replacing his instincts. So is he learning the game or just waiting on you? So I love this. I love. I love. Yeah, I love that one because I don't think it just, I don't, it doesn't just refer. And I think you've talked about it in other posts. This doesn't just refer to parents.

Bobby Minor: My drop.

Jacob Moreno: I do too. I do. Yeah, that was a mic drop. Yeah.

Jason Corley: You can over coach kids at a young age too.

Bobby Minor: So it's funny, I joke around that you can tell the age of the team by the number of coaches. The younger the team, the more coaches, you know what I mean? Like by the time they're in high school, I see a lot of high school teams, travel ball teams for high school where you got one coach. You got a tee ball team with like eight coaches, you know? And that's kinda how you can tell. So it started, cause last year I actually had a team pay me, as a coach pitch team, ⁓ pay me to come just pitch. Pitching practice and pitching the games. It was actually pretty good. They paid me 150 bucks a game to pitch for an hour. So my wife was like.

Jason Corley: So instead of a machine, you were the machine.

Jacob Moreno: some of the easiest money you've made.

Bobby Minor: I'm a professional pitcher, guess. But I know how to pitch because yeah, a lot of those dads don't know how to do it. But anyway, but so the thing is, I had to tell the coaches of the team to tell the parents to stay away from the fence because they want to be there after every pitch trying to tell their son what to do. And I mean, Jason, we're in the same age range, but I don't know, like for me when I was a kid.

Jason Corley: Hahaha!

Bobby Minor: Like in the summer, literally every day, we were either at a vacant lot or we were at a school playground playing pickup baseball, playing legit games all day long. And that's what we did. And we were imitating our favorite MLB players and we were playing the game. We don't have a single coach.

Jason Corley: Yes. Yes.

Jacob Moreno: Mm-hmm.

Jason Corley: Yes.

Bobby Minor: Dad, adult, anybody telling us what to do so we learn how to play. Fast forward to even like, I don't know so much when Caleb, I mean, maybe I don't remember when Caleb, but I remember with Julian seeing teams and parents where literally every time a ball is in play, you have dozens of parents all screaming at the batter, at the fielders, everybody what to do. know, run, pick it up, throw it here, throw it there. And they don't know what to do. And that's why. Oh yeah.

Jason Corley: But shit starts with a coach pitch. That's where it is. When they put their hands up and stop the, you know what mean? Like throw it to first and these kids, their heads are going to explode. There's so much information.

Bobby Minor: Yeah. And the kids don't learn how to think. And then you have a lot of parents, I'm just going to say it, that don't know what they're talking about either. Like they never played baseball. And you have people coaching younger kids that never played baseball. And I know they'll say, well, you don't have to play at a high level to be able to be a good coach. But you know what? It actually does help though. When you're in in game, you know, in game, have to make like real decisions. Having played the game does actually help.

Jason Corley: Yeah Yeah, yeah, for sure. For sure. No, I, you know, it's, I would say that even at, you know, I think that this dabbles into, ⁓ really being hard on your kids in certain situations, because even at the 12U national age that we're at, you still have parents doing the exact same thing, especially with every swing. I, you know, not maybe as much. ⁓ unless your kids catcher, unless your kids catcher, then I can, then sometimes, you know, sometimes parents can over coach. ⁓ I'm just saying like Jacob knows, I mean, he's realistic, but mostly, mostly I would say it's, it's B you know, when they're in the box, you know, and it's, know, your legs, you know, I mean, I'm guilty of it. I don't know of a parent. I don't know of a parent that isn't guilty of it outside of maybe John Vanechek. I don't think John Vanechek has ever said an instructional word to Willie ever in my life. It's always just a job. You know what I mean? ⁓

Jacob Moreno: I am.

Bobby Minor: Yep.

Jason Corley: But every parent that I know has done this where, and I heard somebody say a couple years ago, you're never gonna fix this swing inside the batter's box. And I mean, I know this, I know this, but I don't know how to stop.

Jacob Moreno: But I wonder if it's...

Bobby Minor: Well, Go ahead, Jacob.

Jacob Moreno: I said, I wonder if that goes because I mean, we work with our boys for so much that we see it and then you see them go in a game and do the total opposite. And you're like, you know what I mean? So I wonder if it's almost like an instinct thing to say something because I catch myself. I mean, I was guilty of it last weekend and Jason to tell you with catching and I'm just like, and then, you know, mom's like, sit down, be a dad. You're not coaching no more. Sit down.

Bobby Minor: Yeah. So a big part of the problem is the whole system is not set up to help your son succeed in hitting. And what I mean is, so think about it, if you're a hitting instructor, you bring your son to see me. Well, if I teach him how to hit, then he's not, doesn't need to come back to me anymore. And so we have this system where we teach kids how, like how to swing perfect swings, but we're not teaching kids how to hit and That to me is like, I mean, you ask anybody, you ask most parents, how important is the mental side of baseball? They're gonna say, I would say 50 % to 100%. But if you ask them, well, how much time do you and your son spend on the mental game? It's probably gonna be 0 % most of the time. And so you're saying this is probably the most important thing in the game and you don't spend any time practicing. And that's why you have kids that can hit, they have beautiful swings in the cages. They can hit cage bombs all day long, BP, you know, they're BP beasts.

Jason Corley: this.

Bobby Minor: They're, you know, five o'clock hitters. That's an old MLB term when they used to take batting practice. But in the games, they don't know how to hit because they don't know how to think like a hitter. And that's what Hermann changed with Julian, really literally was having him, instead of trying to hit any pitch that he thought was a strike, hunting for certain pitches in certain zones, know, hunting heights, different things like that, and having a real approach versus just getting up there and if you think it's a strike, swing at it. It see to me, I did a video post the video yesterday though, cause the flip side is only telling your kid, you know, little Johnny, Hey, great job, great job. You know, when he strikes out, when he pops, but you know, to me, you don't want to coach him in the game. You don't want to it on the ride home. Like let them sleep on it. And the next day let's talk about it.

Jacob Moreno: Yes, I saw that video.

Jason Corley: You know what I've discovered? I've discovered that there's no right answer to any of this shit because the second that we're told, am I wrong, Jacob? Cause the second that we're I swear to God, it's like one day we're told, know, you're too soft on these kids and you know, gotta be harder on the kids. And then literally the next day you'll see something where it's like, well, nope, you're killing them. Like, you know what I mean? They can't do anything right. They're never gonna want to do it. You're gonna chase away from it. It's like this balancing act as parents, we have,

Bobby Minor: Yeah. ⁓

Jacob Moreno: No, no, you're 100 % right. I mean, you're right about that.

Jason Corley: mean, as confused as they are, I'm ⁓ farther off the boat.

Bobby Minor: But you know, see, I'll go ahead, Jacob, sorry.

Jacob Moreno: Well, even with that, though, you know, they tell you don't talk about the game right after the game. Wait 20, you know, you hear you hear the whole 24 hour rule. Well, sometimes I'm like my kids like, ⁓ that was a day ago. Like we shouldn't have talked about it right then and there. So it's I mean, it is confusing because when I mean, you're right. Like Jason said, you're right one day. Then the next day you're wrong. So.

Jason Corley: Yeah, he's gonna talk about it.

Bobby Minor: So when Julian, when I coached him up to 12 year majors, I was twice as hard on him as I was on anybody else because I didn't want anybody to say daddy ball. But not coaching him for the next two years and then when he was 15 when I'm coaching him again, was my approach and this is just my approach. I'm not saying it works for everybody, I might ask him after the game, like I said, hey, that one at bat, what were you thinking? What was your approach? Or if he made an error on a ball, what do you think you did? well, I didn't do this, yeah, it looked like you didn't attack the ball or whatever. Just simple things like that, not, but see, the problem is for a lot of parents and why the car ride home is so dreaded is, and this is one of my chapters in my book too is, your son's performance is not a reflection on you. And see, I don't care whether they say it is or they think that they're acting like it or not, but I think a lot of parents, it's like, you know, They feel like it's a reflection on them, know, if their son goes over three or three strikeouts, you know, and it's.

Jacob Moreno: That's how I feel.

Jason Corley: Well, would say, let me, let me say, let me tell you why I think that I, let me tell you why I think I feel like that. And I'll tell you is because the amount of work that I'm putting in with them. Like if I, if this was, if I was paying for a hitting instructor to take care of teaching them how to hit or teaching them, then I probably wouldn't take it as personal. But when, when my son, if, if my son were to go out there and I got to be careful because I, these, don't.

Jacob Moreno: Yep, that's me too. Mm-hmm.

Jason Corley: I don't have a sound studio, so I don't want this. I don't want them to catch up a bit of this and think that I'm talking bad about them. But like if they go out and have a bad weekend behind the plate and they just can't see it, ⁓ I take it as though everybody's looking at me like, well, you didn't put any work in. Like, this is why we can't trust you to be on this team. This is why we can't trust you to live four hours away from our team because you know, if you, probably wouldn't do that if he was at practice on Wednesday night. And I'm not saying that anybody has ever, I am not saying that anybody has ever even. uttered those words to me, ever. But that's the battle and the demons that I'm facing in my own head. Does that make sense?

Bobby Minor: Well, no, it does. But here's what I would say, and this is probably the hardest thing for us as parents is, let's say worst case scenario. He goes, ⁓ for the weekend, and that team that you're driving four hours from says, you know what, he's not a good fit for our team. You know what? To me, that is a perfect opportunity to learn what real life is going to be like. You know what I mean? But we try to protect our kids and shelter them from experiencing any sort of failure.

Jacob Moreno: I mean,

Bobby Minor: But here's the thing, like in baseball, and I'm not talking about, you when you're playing eight, you and you have, you know, your mom keeping game changer and everybody's batting. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you've got a mom keeping game changer and everything's a hit, but let's just say, you know, 12, 13, 14 and above where, where, you know, if you're batting 500, let's say like you're a dude. Okay. But, but the way that we have to think about is even if you're batting 500, that means that half the time you fail.

Jason Corley: ⁓ bullshit, bullshit, Bobby. That's the most important age.

Jacob Moreno: Hehehehehe

Bobby Minor: You know, forget, forget, you know, forget the major leagues when they say, you know, you're going to, you know, 70 % of the time you're going to fail even in youth ball at competitive youth baseball. You know, you're going to fail half the time. And so if you live and die on every failure, ⁓ you know, I'm gonna say like Julian, ⁓ this was probably one of my proudest moments as a dad in high school. think it was his senior year and he was like balling out, but he had a game where he did something that he has never done in his entire life. He went ⁓ for five with five strikeouts. And it was the most bizarre thing but here's what happened his team won in extra innings when When they got the third out of the game and they won Who do you think was the first person? Well, he was already on the field But who do you think was the who was the hap? I'll say first person on the dugout, but he wasn't in dugout. Oh, no, actually we're in the dugout That's what is because they won on a walk-off first person first person on the dugout was Julian and so, know You would have never known that he just had his worst game ever offensively And that's why, you know what I mean? The reason why that's able to happen is because he knows he's not gonna have to worry about, know, is my dad, my dad's gonna be disappointed. I wasn't disappointed. I was actually proud of him.

Jason Corley: Yeah. How do we help dads? How do we help dads deal with that? Because I mean, I can take you to any, I can take you to any PG event this weekend and find you 25 pissed off dads that they feel like their son has just lost every opportunity known to man because you know, they popped up with two on and two out. Yeah.

Bobby Minor: Mm. Yeah, and they're down by a run. So the thing is, the thing is, when people realize that less, I mean, more than 90 % of the kids that y'all are playing with now will never play a single inning of baseball after high school. More than 90%, less than 10 % are ever going to play at the next level, any division. So you already, right now,

Jason Corley: You can't convince peers of that. Bobby, I'm sorry.

Jacob Moreno: No, there-

Bobby Minor: It's just the reality. the thing is, if you focus on the experience and the

Jason Corley: Well so is the reality of getting cancer if you smoke but you're still smoking. No but you know what I mean though?

Bobby Minor: Well, I'm a nonsmoker. So yeah, I know. And that's what I'm saying. Nobody wants to hear because everybody thinks that their son is different. ⁓ But, you know, and I mean, I just got lucky with Julian. I don't feel like Julian's playing in college because I did something magical. I feel like I created an environment that allowed him to kind of thrive. And I've always encouraged him. But I also keep it real with him, too. Like I'll tell him, like, know, Julian, like, you know, like you need to work on this. You need to pick this up. But anyway, but I think if they can understand that, I mean, It's more likely than not that my son's not gonna play after college. If I'm lucky that he's one of the 25 % that keeps playing after the age of 14, enjoy the experience, enjoy the journey, and build memories and everything. Don't make your son hate you or resent you because every time you get in the car, you're beating him up because he didn't have a good game. And realize that baseball is a game of failure. That's just a fact. At the end of the day, you're gonna look back and, I mean, do you want your son to look back and say, you know what, I had some great memories with dad, I had some great memories with mom? or you know what, I'm glad I'm done because nothing that I did ever made dad happy.

Jason Corley: Well, I don't know about Jacob, but we're going through this right now. This podcast has really made us have to have some conversations at home. ⁓ and I would say within the last month, our conversations since doing this podcast have gotten a lot deeper and a lot more serious about like, okay, like, did you hear what this man said? Or did you hear what Jacob and I just literally worked through together without even knowing it on the podcast, talking through this thing?

Jacob Moreno: Ooh. Yeah.

Jason Corley: where like today at church, know, our pastor was talking about creating margins for your life. like, just, today was just an incredible Sunday at church. And you know, I'm sitting there listening to him thinking, I am creating zero margins in my life because every column is filled with something and 90 % of it is baseball. And you know, it's one of those things where I, you know, I believe that I have a I believe that I have a pretty talented kid. really do. Like I don't, don't, I, and I see him, I see him growing less and less interested in this on a date or choosing something else besides this. And I don't want to be a catalyst that is the reason for that. Now I will say I am very conscious, very conscious of those conversations. And I am very conscious to

Jacob Moreno: You do.

Jason Corley: make sure that he understands that it's his choice. Like he is not doing this for us. He's not doing this for his coach. He's not doing this for Brantley or anybody else. If he doesn't want to do this, we're not going to do this. But the second thing he thinks he's not going to do it, he's like, yeah, no, I, all I want. That's what I want dad. Like, what do you mean? I, what do mean? The other option is not playing with them against them. You know what I mean? And they just can't comprehend. So we're going through this right now of the resentment part, you know,

Jacob Moreno: Yeah. You

Bobby Minor: Yeah.

Jason Corley: And it's making us realize that we got to be very, careful with how we're, how we're doing this at 12. And because I, I've heard you and I've heard a thousand other people tell us it does not matter. And it's, but it's way easier to say than it is to hear.

Bobby Minor: Well, you said a lot there, but here's the reality. Most parents suffer from FOMO. I mean, you suffer from FOMO. If you're not doing what they're doing and they're doing, then you feel like your kid's going to fall behind. But in the early ages, mean, would go, now this is my opinion, I would go as far to say that nothing before the age of 15 matters at all. No college coach ever, and just for context,

Jacob Moreno: hahahaha ⁓

Jason Corley: I know, we've heard it.

Bobby Minor: Julian, I think his perfect game grade was like 8.5. He was like a top 500 player. He's top 50 shortstop infielders for his graduate in Texas and all that. None of that matters. Not a single college coach ever asked him what his grade was, what his ranking was, what his 60 time was. If those things matter, like your measurables, they got it at a camp at their school, but not anything that came from perfect game. But we're afraid that if we're not doing what somebody else is doing, our son's going to fall behind. But especially when your kids are earlier, there's kind of like the law of diminishing return. You know what I mean? Just because you're doing more doesn't mean that you're getting a greater ROI on your activity and your investment. And we've created this mentality like, day's off and he's a grinder. Yeah.

Jacob Moreno: you

Jason Corley: You can keep digging a ditch in the wrong direction and not be doing their job. Yeah.

Bobby Minor: It's like, yeah, like, you know what I mean? Like if you're, if you're, you can take a hundred cuts every day, but if you're, if they're just a hundred cuts and you're not actually working on something big deal, but you don't have to play. You don't have to play. looked when Julian was 11, I looked in game changer when he was 11, you, I want to say we play all year, you know, spring, summer and fall. We played like 85 games when he was 11. He is, when he was in high school, I think his junior year counting high school baseball and travel ball and everything. I think we played 80 games.

Jacob Moreno: Meaningless.

Bobby Minor: You know what I mean? that like, know, 11 year old doesn't need to play that much. It doesn't need to get, you need to get reps. I'm a big believer that the only way you're really going to get better is getting live reps, but you don't need it's, it's insane. When Julian was 11, this was kind of my church story. ⁓ I wasn't scheduled to preach, so I didn't go to, I didn't go, I wasn't at church that morning. We had something going on that afternoon. said, Hey, Julian's team sucks. This is when he was 13. Cause I wasn't coaching there. They're like, ⁓ for six already for the fall. They went over to the day before in pool place. I said, they're to be one and done. I'll just be there later. Well, they won their first game and then they won their second game and then they won their third game and they won their fourth game. They played five games on that Sunday and ended up winning the championship. Julian went 10 for 13 that day and pitched in the semi-finals, closed it out and started the championship game on the mound, even though he wasn't a pitcher and they won the championship. So my first point is that's way too much baseball for, you know, even for 13 year olds, you don't need to five, five games in one day, but back to the church thing.

Jason Corley: So dumb.

Bobby Minor: When I realized my family's my first ministry, I would have killed myself, not literally, if I would have left and missed this amazing day by my son. You know what I mean? Like just because I felt like I had to be at some church event or whatever. anyway, but it's just overkill. we think, and parents, know, we wear it like a badge of honor. We got our whole freaking travel ball set up with our, you know, our rocker chairs and our wagons and our, you know, all of our accessories and everything and our, you know, you know.

Jason Corley: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Bobby Minor: I mean all of it and look, if you're doing it, if you have the money, because this is why I'm so passionate about it. I'm like a working class guy. I've hustled for everything that I have and Julian is fortunate that a lot of times I've coached him or things like that to where I wasn't paying. I wasn't paying what everybody else was paying if I even had to pay. ⁓ But a lot of people don't have the money, but they feel like they're sacrificing for their sons. And I respect that, but what they're doing is they're... putting themselves in financial situations that probably cause a lot of divorces because they're chasing something that somebody else is telling them to chase only because the people telling them to chase it are the ones that are benefiting financially from them chasing it, if that makes sense. So that's why I preach what I do. I want people to realize that, you know, ask the right questions, you know, ask the right questions because you're paying, you know, if you don't ask this, like you gotta ask before you, before you swipe your card, ask what, how do you handle guest players? You know what I mean? Ask upfront. Because I hear it all the time, well, my son's on this team and all this and the coach picks up guest players and my son doesn't even play. But you know what I mean? That's crazy.

Jason Corley: Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ I want to play another one here before we, before we close us out with you. I, again, I want to thank you for taking the time tonight, but this is a good one because this one refers to this one that we were just talking about, ⁓ leaving it in the dugout. This gets carried into this next step, bat faster than you think. A buddy of mine played 16 years in the majors and he had one word written inside of his cap. Fido forget it and drive on. said the best players you ever saw. had the shortest memory bad at bat Fido booted ground ball.

Bobby Minor: Thank you.

Jason Corley: Fido, bad call, Fido. Now think about the car ride home after your 13 year old's last bad game. Are you helping him move on or making him carry it into the next one? Because that shows up in the lineup sooner than you think. Okay, so before you answer this, want to ask you, I feel like you're a little hypocritical here, Bobby, because you have another video that talks about if you just, if all they ever hear is the good, then they're not going to be prepared. So how do you balance those two?

Bobby Minor: So like, okay, so I'm gonna start with this one you just played and you're in Ohio, right? You're in Ohio, right? So my buddy Dave, Dave, it's actually Dave Collins. He played 16 years in majors, played for the Cincinnati Reds back in the day, big red machine and a great guy. So the thing is, so I'm talking, first of all, I'm talking about the player has got to forget it and drive on more than anything. Okay. So that's in the game. The player has got to, I'm not saying you can't react, but

Jason Corley: Yeah.

Jacob Moreno: Yep.

Bobby Minor: you strike out by the you get back to the dugout, that's gotta be, I like saying Hakuna Matata, but you gotta forget it and you gotta move on because what'll happen is you're gonna take it with you, you're gonna be out in the field. It's inevitable that the first ball on play is gonna come to you. And now you're making air, now you're even more pissed off, you know what I mean? So you gotta let it go. That's from the player perspective. From the parent perspective,

Jacob Moreno: The ball's gonna find you.

Jason Corley: You Yeah.

Bobby Minor: You can't only, you gotta be real with your kid because if you don't, but you gotta choose the right moment and the right delivery. You know what I mean? And that's the biggest problem. Most parents like freaking just, I mean, like just jump down their kids throats in the car and the kid hates it. That is probably the thing that kids hate the most is the car right home. Because they have to listen to mom and dad tell them, why'd you do this? Why'd you do that? You shouldn't have to do this and all, know? And like all of that, just like let them process. And it doesn't have to be 24 hours. It could be later that night. It could be after you're out. eating you know in and out or Five Guys or whatever, Water Burger if you're down here in Texas you know what I mean? then just ask. So yeah so but you can ask that you can talk about it.

Jacob Moreno: water burger that's my joint right there

Bobby Minor: But there's a, to me, I say it right way and a wrong way. I'm not saying that like I know the way that I say it has the way that it should be, but there's a way to talk them through a situation to where it's positive and they're learning and it doesn't seem like, like mom and dad, you know, like you're so disappointed or anything, but you do have to be real with them because in the video that I was talking about that, if all they ever hear is just like, Hey, good job, good job. I mean, you know, ⁓ or the empire sucks, you know, you're making a bunch of, a bunch of excuses and all these things by the time they get to high school and they've never They've never even been able to process what a good at bat, bad at bat is. And their high school coach is not mom or dad and he's there, you know what I mean? Because you're not going be at practice in high school and you're not going to be there, you can't sit around and helicopter at high school practice. They're going to think that coach hates me. And so to me, it's also preparing them for life because it's going to be that way in the real world. You can't protect your kid from everything. can't make excuses for everything. But you got to... pick the right time for you, whatever it is, but not in the car right home, in my opinion.

Jason Corley: Yeah. If, listen again, I, I immensely Bobby, want to thank you for blessing us with your. I just, there's a lot of people that you could sit down and have a conversation with, and I feel really honored and blessed that you would choose to say yes to us. So thank you first and foremost for that in, in closing before I, before I say goodbye to you, I'm gonna ask you this. ⁓ if you had it, there's, there's a lot of free advice. Okay.

Jacob Moreno: Yes. Thank you.

Bobby Minor: I appreciate it.

Jacob Moreno: What happened to you?

Jason Corley: There's a lot of, there's us parents, we get a lot of advice, whether we ask for it or we don't. We get a lot of advice. Instead of giving us some advice, what would be a challenge that you could challenge us as parents coming up now? You've been through it. I don't know. Do you have plans of coming back through it again or are you guys done? You guys done?

Bobby Minor: 59. No, but my daughter last night as we fly back from Puerto Rico, said, let me say this real quick. My thing is I didn't want to be a grandparent before 50. I told my daughter last night, because we were flying back from Puerto Rico, said, I'm almost 60. Like y'all need to pick up the pace. Like she is married. So I'm be a good grandpa. probably with my grand kid. so you know, I probably will go through it again. But I mean, it's a challenge. The challenge is to realize that

Jason Corley: Yeah.

Jacob Moreno: Yeah

Jason Corley: Yeah.

Bobby Minor: Everybody's path is different. First of all, you gotta understand that everybody, all on the same journey for the most part, because most of us, I think most parents would say if their kid plays baseball in college, that's kind of the dream. Anything beyond that is like a bonus. But knowing that, that's most people's basic dream, but for majority of people, they're not gonna experience it. Just understand, don't compare your kid to anybody else. First of all, challenge you to do that. Just focus on your kid. Don't worry about anybody else.

Jason Corley: Pinnacle.

Jacob Moreno: Pinnacle.

Bobby Minor: You know what I mean? like, just focus on your kid and challenge yourself to enjoy the experience, enjoy the journey and be thankful for being there because again, you mentioned church, I'm gonna say this biblically, our lives are like the morning fog. They're here for a while and then they're gone. Tomorrow's not promised. know, all our steps are numbered. So we never know, you never know. when this journey is going to end. If for you it might be 14, 75 % of the kids that drop out by then. It may be high school, it may be junior year, sophomore year for lots of different reasons, but just enjoy it. Enjoy the opportunity, be thankful for the opportunity. That is probably my biggest challenge. And anything that happens beyond that, then awesome.

Jason Corley: Yeah. Well, speaking of being thankful for the opportunity, I'm thankful for you and I wish you all the best. When does the book come out?

Jacob Moreno: Yes, we are.

Bobby Minor: So the book, the book, okay, I'm gonna challenge, I'm gonna challenge, the book will be out, the book will be out by April 15th. I think it's a challenge for me to pick up my pace. And tell everybody, follow me at Chasing Baseball Dreams. the reason I, one of the reasons why I started what I'm doing, besides my wife telling me to, is because I got tired of being in Facebook groups where you have,

Jason Corley: Yeah. Okay, is that a challenge to me or is that a challenge to you to get it finished? ⁓

Jacob Moreno: Okay.

Jason Corley: Yes. Yes.

Bobby Minor: a parent asking a genuine question, a legitimate question, just wanting some guidance, and out of 100 comments, maybe two or three are actually good advice. You got a bunch of people dogging them out, giving them freaking crazy advice and things like that. And so that's why I do what I do. And I have some bigger things coming where be opportunities for parents to kind of be part of a group where you know that people that have been there, done that, are gonna answer questions and help support you and guide you.

Jason Corley: That's awesome, brother. Well, listen, man, thank you so, so much. ⁓ And listen, keep us, obviously we're going to stay in touch throughout this, but best of luck to Julian throughout the rest of the season. And ⁓ yeah, just thank you for spending time with us today. And for those of you, yes, for those of you that are looking for him, I am following him on Instagram. I follow him on TikTok and on YouTube. And it's at Chasing Baseball Dreams. That's also the title of the book coming out, I believe.

Bobby Minor: Sure.

Jacob Moreno: Thank you, and much appreciated. My tick tock, yep.

Jason Corley: And yeah, brother, just thank you so much and have a great rest of your Sunday. All right, Thank you, man. Appreciate it.

Bobby Minor: It is. Alright guys, and good luck to your sons too, so take care.

Jacob Moreno: Thank you. Thanks. Thanks. Dude, I know I didn't ask many questions because I have questions wrote down from watching, like when you were dogging me earlier that I was doing a little recon, he answered everything that I had to ask.

Jason Corley: No, I know. I, but I was also like, just so, just so you know, like I have been shocked 11 times in this year, right here. I like, I don't know. I don't know what's going on, but I got to change. I got to change out real quick. So give me a second here. Oh.

Jacob Moreno: No, you're good, go ahead.

Jason Corley: Yep, just give me a second. Okay. You there? Dude, I don't know what was going on, but I was getting some sort of nasty feedback with these new ear pieces where I was literally being shocked in my ear. every time I was so uncomfortable.

Jacob Moreno: Yeah, I'm here. You could tell, you could tell, you look like a dog that, you know, when they have an ear infection, they keep shaking their head like, you kept going.

Jason Corley: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah, that was, that was, ⁓ man. And then, yeah. And I just, I don't know. It was just so, and I also didn't want to, I didn't want to wear out my welcome with him. Does that make sense? Like I was getting to the point where, ⁓

Jacob Moreno: And I was thinking, I was like, I was like, is he over this? Like my thing was like, was he over this? Yeah.

Jason Corley: You know, yeah, like I got to the point where I covered the things that I wanted to cover with him as far as like his perspective going through it. ⁓ you know, from the dad, I wanted, I, I wonder really was interested in the dad side of it is what I was.

Jacob Moreno: on the dance side. Yeah, because he went through it with two boys, one that didn't play.

Jason Corley: He did. And something he didn't, yeah, something he didn't touch on very much was, is that his older boy quit, like quit the game. ⁓ and he did. Yeah. I was just, guess I was hoping. Yeah, I don't know. And like I said, you know, I know that we were bouncing around too, and he, he hasn't done a lot of podcasts. As a matter of fact, he asked me on the phone if I would, ⁓ if I'd help him, ⁓ give her, if he could bounce some things off me. Cause I think he wants to start a podcast. He's.

Jacob Moreno: Yeah, I mean, he did say that he quit playing, but it's like he skated past, like, ugh. ⁓ okay.

Jason Corley: Definitely really good at speaking. Obviously you can tell he's a pastor. Yeah. So yeah, he can talk and he's got his, he's got the ability to, um, portray what's going, like it's really easy for him to take from what he's thinking to saying it. Yes. Yes. So he's going to kill. If he starts a podcast, he's going to kill it he'll do great. Um, but yeah. Um, I was just, yeah, I was curious. It's going to be, I think we're gonna, um,

Jacob Moreno: Well, yeah, ⁓ yeah. Yeah, he can talk. Yeah, like his mind runs straight to his mouth. Yeah. You know, I...

Jason Corley: It's going to be a couple of days before we, it's like trying to follow Dave Chappelle. ⁓ like our last podcast with coach Dean was so incredible. It's like trying to follow Dave Chappelle. Dude, it's.

Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Our last man, our last podcast. Yes, the feedback I got with that. Yeah, the feedback I got from that one. I got.

Jason Corley: Dude, my text messages, ⁓ my buddy Anthony texted me, Trace's dad. And he's just like, dude, best, best so far. He's like, that was incredible.

Jacob Moreno: Yeah. That's what I got too. And then I got one that was, we've been reaching out to Titan Sports on Instagram and never get a reply. We've been on it for a year and a half. You guys started a podcast in February and already got coach beam on there.

Jason Corley: ⁓

Jacob Moreno: I said, I messaged back, sorry, this had nothing to do with me, my cohost, that man can, I said, he'll sell, I told him, said, he'll sell a ketchup popsicle to an Eskimo with white gloves on.

Jason Corley: Yeah. I don't know, man. just, I don't know. I just, it's, yeah. ⁓ I would, I will say that booking that booking these guests is, it is a challenge because, ⁓ it is a, it is a challenge because I don't feel worthy, I guess of these guests.

Jacob Moreno: That's how I, well, we got one on Wednesday.

Jason Corley: Yeah. And I'm excited for that one. Cause I feel like that's just, I feel like we do, I feel like we do way better with coaches. I feel like if you're a coach, I almost feel like I do way better than, than, know, than somebody that's coming in like a tournament director. don't even, I don't, I'm not sure if I, I don't even know. I don't even know if it's something I love talking to coaches because I love their different perspectives from, know, because this is what we're going through. I guess you could say.

Jacob Moreno: Yes. Yeah.

Jason Corley: And I love talking to just dads. Like I love talking, like when we have opportunities, like when we're at hotels and you know, you know, when we go places. Right. Exactly. You know what I mean? And we still, there are so many resources that we haven't touched on yet when it comes to the dads in our lives that we're going to have a chance to, cause we're just getting the season started. So I just, I would say that by the coaches and the dads are by far, and it doesn't even have to be dad. might be a mom at some point too.

Jacob Moreno: Yep. Well, that conversation with Sal was good too. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

Jason Corley: But ⁓ that just seems to be, it's our wheelhouse. So when I start, when this conversation sparked with coach beam, we just hit it, bro, we just hit it off instantly. Like on the telephone, you know what I mean? Talking. So I knew it was going to be killer. Yeah, I knew it was going to be killer. And then I talked to Bobby the other day on the telephone and he was on his way back from San Juan or he was in San Juan trying to, waiting to get to the airport or something like that.

Jacob Moreno: Yeah, you guys did. Mm-hmm.

Jason Corley: And, ⁓ yeah, and, ⁓ yeah. And I just, I was interested in his take because I do find his content, his content isn't, you know, is I find it very, very interesting. I find myself liking a lot of things that he says, but then there were some things that I wanted to ask him about. I'm like, you just told us to do this, but then you're telling us to do this. And I understand he's like, well, that's for the parent. That's for the player. Okay. Right.

Jacob Moreno: Puerto Rico. Yeah. That's for the player. Well, that's like the one I like the one slide he has about the 16 year olds not getting looks and they'll be coming, they'll be coming and the harsh reality of what it is for families. I don't know if you've seen it. You know, they're in high school, 16 years old, some kids on the team are getting looks at and the parents like, it's all right, your time will come. And then 17 comes and nothing yet. Like what the harsh reality is.

Jason Corley: I haven't seen that one.

Jacob Moreno: I have to send it to you and we get off, but it's a harsh reality.

Jason Corley: OK, OK, so, you know, did you save it?

Jacob Moreno: No, but I know where it's at.

Jason Corley: Okay, well send it to me, because I'll play it. No, send it to me like right now. ⁓ you can't because you're on your phone. Okay.

Jacob Moreno: I will. ⁓ no, no, it's not. I can't. Yeah. But it's not. It's not ⁓ a reel. It's ⁓ the slideshow. Yeah, that.

Jason Corley: Oh, I got you. The carousel. Okay. All right. Let me see. Is there another one in here that I had that, um, your coach had never pitched? If he doesn't forget it in the dugout, um, by 14, most careers are over. Um, Oh, this one, nobody's watching. I'm going to play this one real quick. $5,000 right now. Nobody's watching your 12 year old. know that's hard to hear, but exposure at 12U is the most expensive line you've baseball.

Jacob Moreno: Go ahead.

Jason Corley: There are no college coaches at your son's tournament this weekend. There never were, but you just spent a thousand dollars on top of team feeds, uniforms, and lessons to be there. The travel ball system sells exposure because it works on your wallet. Stop chasing exposure that doesn't exist. Start investing in development that does. Travel ball won't tell you this. I will. So that was one of them to suck out to me because yeah, because I, I, Jacob, I think we all know this.

Jacob Moreno: That's.

Jason Corley: We know this, but we can't stop. You know what mean?

Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, you say that. Yeah. That's funny because I saw that one. And then a couple of days later you got on TikTok and just scrolling and it's another guy and he's talking about at the younger ages between eight and 14 that training and more reps is better than playing a lot. And he's in there and you know, in his thing, it's like

Jason Corley: Yeah, ⁓

Jacob Moreno: I understand you want your kid to play. It's okay for us, you know, it's okay to play 25, 30 games. He goes, but the absurd amount of playing 60, 70 games when he could be, you know, the parents could be saving money instead of, it could be saving money, you know, sending their kid to training lessons, speed and agility, working out instead of money to hotels.

Jason Corley: Yeah, but the don't want to do that shit. The kids want to do competitive. The kids want a winner and a loser at the end of it. Or at least the kids are on our level. No, no, there's no way. for my, I'm just going to, all right, good, good point. Let's break this down. My personal child would never choose, hey, let's go do, I can give you, I can give you a week. If I offered him a week,

Jacob Moreno: But is it us or is that us?

Jason Corley: with Jose Ramirez training at a camp a week of that. Okay. Or you could go for a week and play at the PGI and play 10 games at the PGI. He's going to choose the PGI every day of the week knowing he probably isn't going to win that. But it's, there's a winner and a loser at the end of that one. That's he wants.

Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, you're right, because my kids probably do the same.

Jason Corley: I mean, I understand what that real is talking about, that's not for... Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't mind. I get to sleep on my own bed. ⁓

Jacob Moreno: Yeah. I mean, that's hard. mean, unless you started, yeah, but I mean, unless you started at a young age where you make it like, hey, you know what I mean? We're gonna work four days a week. You're gonna play every three weekends or whatnot. You know what I mean?

Jason Corley: Yeah. Yeah. And I feel like Scott, ⁓ Scott's actually been trying, like, I feel like Scott has been beating the drum for the last two years. I'm not even gonna say I think. I know Scott has been beating this drum for the last two years that we don't have to do this. We don't have to do this. We don't have to do this. But unfortunately, the majority rules and we keep doing it and doing it and doing it and doing it. Where Scott's like, this is this, this, none of this matters. Like we don't have to, we don't have to do this to ourselves and our team of traveling every weekend to go to a PG event. And I feel like more of our families are now starting to realize that on our team. More of our families are built, are like, especially when you get situations like we have Jennings park that's popping up in Columbus now, you know, a new, a new facility closer is drawing better, better teams from the Louisville Cincinnati areas, Dayton areas, ⁓ to where. We don't have to go to death. You know what mean? And I also saw something, dude. ⁓ I saw this interview that one of the guys from PG, ⁓ I don't know if it was Tony or who it was, but somebody was being interviewed on PG talking about, PG is literally trying to stop forcing us to come to them. They're trying to come to us now.

Jacob Moreno: Yes, as you can tell, they're buying all these parks up.

Jason Corley: right right like up in michigan they're like they've they own now the state state tournament we can't

Jacob Moreno: Yeah, they got Canton. Yeah. The state tournament. Well, they don't own it. The city owns it, but they got the contract rights for Canton.

Jason Corley: So I know that they tried to buy Berliner years ago in Columbus and five, yes, five tools shut that down from my understanding. Five tools, the one that cock blocked that and kept PG from being able to get there. But PG tried to buy Berliner and this was, this was, think probably our first year with you guys. Cause it was right after we were with Bo Jackson that that rumor was, was swirling around that PG was trying to, cause we were like, PG, what's PG? I've never heard.

Jacob Moreno: Is that a city park? ⁓

Jason Corley: Like we didn't know any better. So we didn't know, but I have heard, you know, I, I, this is going back to my thing where I was talking about Scott, you know, Scott's been trying to get everybody on board that we don't have to do this shit that it doesn't matter until they're 16 years old. You know what mean? 15, 16. And I feel like we're getting more and more parents that are, are the blinders are starting to come off.

Jacob Moreno: Yeah, now we know. Yeah.

Jason Corley: We've got, we've got one or two that still are, you know, feel like some way, somehow there's a scout. buried in the bushes over there watching our 12 year olds. You know, we still have that. I don't know if we'll ever not have that, I know we're still, we still have got the one or two that are holding out, but I feel like if PG can keep doing what they're doing, then it's going to make life a lot easier. So it just doesn't come to a head and we have to lose half of our team because we're just being priced out of it. And then, know I mean? We can all stay together. If PG can keep expanding.

Jacob Moreno: You won't. Yeah.

Jason Corley: you know like to the elizabeth town into this stuff

Jacob Moreno: the Elizabeth town. Now they just got, they've got that one in Illinois, you know, I mean, who knows? They might end up buying something Columbus area. The price. mean, money talks, man.

Jason Corley: Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. Money, money talks and, you know, I, man, I just, I, yeah, I don't know, but if anybody has, if anybody, but if anybody's got the stroke to do that, it's going to be PG. Yeah, it's going to be PG. So

Jacob Moreno: is done. Well, I got a message yesterday, you know, it was off of a real with a coach beam and talking to a parent from California. And he's like, you trip slipped up on the, on the contract with this park and not even a day later, PG was in there and swooped it up. So now that part.

Jason Corley: Cause that park is sending out one text saying, guess who just bellied up on their deal. Do you want it? I mean.

Jacob Moreno: Yeah. And that, yeah. And he said, now this 30 some, or yeah, it was a big park. Now it's a perfect game park.

Jason Corley: Think about Grand Park being a PGA park.

Jacob Moreno: ⁓ there was talks about that too.

Jason Corley: I mean, because remember we used to go into the bathrooms at Grand Park and there would be signs there for sale. This place is literally for sale. Right? Like you'd be standing at the urinal and in front of like on the wall of the urinal is we are for sale. Like, and we were all like, and because the city was maintaining it for the longest time and they couldn't keep up.

Jacob Moreno: Yup. that they were in debt like $68 million?

Jason Corley: I don't remember what the number was, but at the time, I mean, now it's bullpen and I don't know what bullpen is, but, in, mean, I know it's you trip, but I mean, nobody's ever like bullpen is something new. Like they're a new name over the last few years.

Jacob Moreno: My name is USSSA. Yeah. Yeah. And I think, I think bullpen is just there.

Jason Corley: Yeah. Yeah. There's no, there nowhere else I've never heard. No. Yeah. There nowhere else, but I mean, they're kind of like, I don't know. I, they kind of like the, like the, what is it? The factory series and like Northeast Ohio, like, know what I mean? Like the monster mash factor. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right.

Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a community organization that draws a bunch of teams. That's going to take care of the city, you know, economic wise all summer long.

Jason Corley: Exactly. So yeah, it'll be interesting. But, again, folks, thanks to, thanks to Bobby for coming on and blessing us with his time and giving us his insight and his experience with, ⁓ with his kids and best of luck to his son, Julian, as he competes in college baseball. and, yeah, what's going on the rest of it. So what's the plan for, ⁓ don't you just tell everybody what you're working on?

Jacob Moreno: am working on a guest ⁓ Wednesday, which he is going to come on. ⁓ Yeah. Yep. I'm, ⁓ I'm going to make sure to send the confirmation text when we get off, but he is a ⁓ Why are you laughing?

Jason Corley: is the only other company Just because you're like, will send it to, to, to, okay.

Jacob Moreno: Yeah. ⁓ he is the owner of an organization and actually, well, I'll say it's the owner of a diamond Kings organization and out of Dallas. And we're going to get into how they're big. I mean, if you've noticed within the last two years, they've had a big social media presence. That's in, in it's

Jason Corley: out of Dallas. And that's what I want to talk to him about. I want to ask him, a who's, a who's paying for it B, which he doesn't have to answer me. He can tell me to go kick rocks and B where, why did he find, what's the value to him? Like, what is he doing that for? Is he doing it just for the kids? Is he doing it to get exposure for the club? How is this helping him? Because that's what I just want.

Jacob Moreno: ⁓ so he, so that's what he wants to talk.

Jason Corley: Yes, that's what I want to talk about because I will say, go ahead, go ahead.

Jacob Moreno: Because his first question to me was, how did you find out about Diamond Kings? I said, ⁓ on Instagram and Facebook. Them videos are everywhere. And he goes, good, that's what I want to talk about.

Jason Corley: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I, I do too, because here's the thing is that I have been approached numerous times about doing, ⁓ this type of stuff in hype reels for clubs. Okay. For baseball clubs. I'm there. ⁓ and so forth. And I'm, I'm going to say this publicly, and I'm just going to say this publicly. There is not a more underappreciated and undervalued industry and media than the videography. Okay. I'm just going to tell you that right now. So ⁓ people don't want to pay. and they just think that it's easy to do. It's not even just that. It's the thousands and thousands of dollars in equipment that people never see and they don't even think about. It's the thousands of hours at night editing this stuff and trying to make it presentable to tailor a certain situation. It is the most underappreciated industry in media is the videography side of it. ⁓

Jacob Moreno: No, that's a lot of editing, man. equipment.

Jason Corley: and it's the most undervalued. People don't want to pay for some reason. They think that you give them a price and they're just like, you gotta be out of your fucking mind. And I'm like, whoa, I'm sorry. Then you go fucking do it. I'm sorry, if that's over your budget, then go grab your fucking phone and do it, bro. yeah, it's just, it's the most, yeah. So I cannot wait to have this conversation.

Jacob Moreno: I mean, if you think it's not going to cost that much, go buy the equipment. Yeah.

Jason Corley: because how they do it and what they do it, it's incredible. ⁓ And the kids love it, obviously.

Jacob Moreno: Mm-hmm. Well that and then the reveals like that Houston reveal, like I wanna know what.

Jason Corley: Yeah. But I mean, it's actually the kids want to go play there.

Jacob Moreno: Yep. My kid said it's purple. That's pretty cool.

Jason Corley: So it's just sweet, but I mean, I didn't know about it from social media. I knew about it from Jay. So that's how I was. So that's how I found out about it. And then obviously once I was like, once I saw that, that picture of Nolan, I was like, Holy shit. Like, okay. You know I mean? This, this is a, this is a whole new, but the way that they do it, it's, that is exactly the style that needs to be done. That's exactly how.

Jacob Moreno: Yeah, okay. Okay. Yup. It's marketing, man. Marketing 101, what they're doing.

Jason Corley: Yes, and I want to know, I just, want to know, a, was this something that you guys built into the funds for the team? Like are the parents paying, you know, did the parents add on a couple hundred bucks onto their team in order to do this? Did you pay for it out of pocket? Is it sponsored? I want to know the economic side of it.

Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Or is it a branch of your ⁓ organization?

Jason Corley: Yeah, what is it? Yeah, because especially like you would like, especially if you have somebody like that's in house, that can facilitate this, you know what mean? Maybe there maybe that's a brother or a father or a mom or sister who's already at the events. So economically, you can cut a lot of costs by having them there.

Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Yeah, just buy the equipment and then, hey.

Jason Corley: You don't even have to buy the equipment, just pay them for their time. Just pay them for their time. Just pay them for their time. That's it. You know what mean? There might be a hard drive that's needed. You know what mean? An external hard drive that's needed that has to be separate. You know, all that stuff costs money. Anything in this digital world costs money of cameras. And if you don't know that, shake your photographer's hand next time you see him. Give him a dab up and tell him thank you. Because you all have no idea the cost and the time that goes into it.

Jacob Moreno: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you know all that because I mean you guys do that.

Jason Corley: photography and the video and stuff. It's incredible. just, you don't realize, I'll tell you this, Jacob, I'll tell you this. Are you thankful for Lindsay now that you don't have her?

Jacob Moreno: Yes, because we just had that conversation today.

Jason Corley: Cause you were completely spoiled with having Brantley on our team for all those years.

Jacob Moreno: ⁓ yeah. We, mean, we had that conversation today. Mom goes, do we not have nobody to take pictures? I said, no. She goes, ⁓ I love, I love Lindsay and Jason's pictures. I said, yeah. I said, it's it. mean,

Jason Corley: Right? Right. Right, right. without, yeah, I mean, without it, you're stuck with hoping you get some something, something meaningful off a phone or off a game changer. Speaking of game changer, can we have a conversation? Should we have a whole episode about game changer and what the fuck is going on with game changer?

Jacob Moreno: Off your phone. I think that is. I think that's a half a... a half an episode at least.

Jason Corley: the whole episode At least yeah, because this shit's gotten, this shit's gotten out of control since this whole new invest investment into their platform. It's all gone to shit. And now we've got grandparents all over the place scrounging, trying to figure out how to watch their, how to watch your grandbabies. And listen, I know it's funny. I know it's funny, but it isn't funny because

Jacob Moreno: update. Yeah. To the point. to the point where you're hooking your phone up and going live on Facebook so people can watch.

Jason Corley: It's just, it's like, it's, if this is the way it's going to go, it is going to take one person, one tech genius, five minutes to recreate game changer and make it free for everybody and just sell ads. You know what I mean? Because how this thing just flipped on its head and now it, it, now there's no way for grandparents to watch without these expensive subscriptions is total bullshit. And we're going to call them out. ⁓ unless I get it fixed with

Jacob Moreno: You know? Mm-hmm.

Jason Corley: You know, in a short period of time, this might be athletes go live. This might be their, their ticket right back into the game. If this is the way it's because bro, if you go look at the game changer, so there's a, there's a baseball business page. I don't know if you've seen these two dudes. Okay. And they interviewed the guy from game changer that owns game changer, bro. The comments are out of this world. Like people.

Jacob Moreno: Yes. Mm-hmm. Well yeah, and now there's another husband and wife combo that are coming out with their own. Yes.

Jason Corley: is there? So, I mean, yeah. ⁓ I'll tell you this too, you guys. I'll just be honest with you. If we get to a thousand subscribers on ⁓ I can stream it for free on YouTube. ⁓ mean, if we, yeah. I mean, ⁓ a thousand ways to stream this stuff without having the stupid box at the top to tell you the score where somebody could just text it in the comments below. So we can still always do this shit for free on Facebook.

Jacob Moreno: Yeah? Yeah.

Jason Corley: ⁓ and other platforms. So I really hope the game changer, the game changer gets us figured out because they went from having everybody to quickly losing everybody in my opinion.

Jacob Moreno: No, yeah, mean, just watching, because I followed, because I was on Game Changer, you know, I was the Game Changer coach for a couple of years. So I joined that Game Changer page just to learn. mean, I didn't know how to do it. And, you know, people on there like, man, this is horrible. Just ripping them a new one because of the new updates and you're only allowed to watch five games a day or whatever.

Jason Corley: Yeah. Yeah. Right, but that fifth game you got a beautiful little fake sunset in the background. Anyways, all right, man, let's get out of here. How long was that one? I can't see it. It's too far away. Jesus, dude, I swear I feel like that was a... I feel like it was 50 minutes.

Jacob Moreno: Yeah, in the background, yup. Alright man, hour 30. We were Yeah, I mean, we were at 55 minutes when Bobby got off. Yep.

Jason Corley: Really? Okay. All right. Well, yeah. I mean, I, I don't know. I mean, until somebody tells us to shut up, I probably shouldn't have said that now somebody's going to tell us to shut up. ⁓ yeah. Yeah. It'll be our, it'll our dude up in Perrysburg. It'd be like, shut up, turn your head around on your around. ⁓

Jacob Moreno: Tell them to shut up. Yeah, we can edit that out. We'll edit that out. ⁓ That's my boy. No. Alright.

Jason Corley: Yeah, it's your boy. right, man. ⁓ Yeah, All right, man, have a good couple days. ⁓ Give family our love and tell Andrea that we're thinking about her and praying about her, okay? All right, buddy, love you, see you, bye.

Jacob Moreno: All right. Yep. I will do. Okay, thank you. Thank you. All right. Love you. See you. Bye.