Jo McKee  I The Jo Show: My guest today went from veterinary surgeon to burnout to building a business that runs without him while traveling more than a hundred days a year. He works with founders across 14 countries to help them stop being the bottleneck in their business. Michael, welcome to the Jo Show.

Michael Yeung  I  MyPolaris.io: Thanks for having me.

Jo McKee  I The Jo Show: You were a veterinary surgeon before this. It's not the typical background for a business systems guy. What happened?

Michael Yeung  I  MyPolaris.io: Well, let's just say I came to a realization that I don't see my future involving working 10 hours per week in a clinic, five days per week for next 30 years of my life. And I actually caught the entrepreneurial bug halfway through my clinical years. It started when I got into personal development, when I'm just this Asian kid from Hong Kong living in the UK and studied the most intensive bachelor veterinary medicine degree that you can study as a 18 year old. and also running a basketball team.

Jo McKee  I The Jo Show: Thank you.

Michael Yeung  I  MyPolaris.io: as a result of me pursuing corporate success and four hour work weeks, I ended up working 14 to 16 hour work days. Instead of four hour work weeks, burning out and almost killing myself in the process. And it was through that smash in the head ,moment that led me to learning all about leverage and discern the difference between complexity and business versus leverage and real productivity. And as adults look back, this is why I'm doing what I'm doing right now.

Jo McKee  I The Jo Show: Yeah, so I've heard you speak about a near-death experience as a bit of a turning point or quite a significant turning point. How much of that do you share publicly and what would you like people to understand from that part of your life?

Michael Yeung  I  MyPolaris.io: Well, I mean, I'm pretty open about it because that's the turning point that got me to do what I now do. And basically, and as I share the story, I recognize how unfortunately experiences like these are not uncommon amongst founders and entrepreneurs. Like for me, my experience with burnout is me working so hard that my body just gave out one day when I was driving 80 miles per hour on the M-turn of a highway in the UK. And luckily, like nobody got hurt. The car just skidded to the sidewalk and I just woke up in cold sweats. But there are so many other examples that I actually heard from other founder stories where they've burned out and like things got pretty dangerous and a lot of areas of life that matter mostly to them actually got heavily affected. And that really drove me to... like really dedicating my life towards a mission where we want to create a global movement where founder freedom is the norm, rather than founder burnouts.

Jo McKee  I The Jo Show: you used to obviously wear busyness like a badge, no irony in pursuing the four hour work week that we wear ourselves out. ⁓ you ⁓ to founders now and you see them doing the same thing, like how do you feel as you hear them describe that?

Michael Yeung  I  MyPolaris.io: I think it's a mix of compassion and empathy because as much as we pride ourselves in our ability to work hard, be persistent, be disciplined and so forth, there is a difference between grinding just for our sake of busyness and achievements versus being obsessive and in flow. around a path that actually aligns with the business and life that we want to architect.

Jo McKee  I The Jo Show: I like the way you describe it. ⁓ You talk about businesses from labor-driven vehicles process-driven assets. So in plain language, what would that mean for somebody listening today?

Michael Yeung  I  MyPolaris.io: Sure. So to put this plainly, your business isn't cage where the only way that it can survive is you working mechanical, mundane, manual work day in, day out, just to keep the lights on. ⁓ process-driven asset is a business where, number one, it's designed around your life rather than the other way around. And number two is driven by systematic documented procedures and SOPs ⁓ that allow you to delegate and automate everything that is outside of your zone of genius. So to be honest, we see like the, the, ⁓ like the end of the day, business is pretty simple. ⁓ And you take, like, if you take everything that single business course teaches you, You can see everything comes down to marketing, sales, finances, and operations. And if you can pare down what exactly is it that makes a business different. It has got nothing to do with how you check your emails or how you manage your inboxes and how, like, and how you build formulas and how you set up automations. It comes down to how you build. infrastructure around your founder essence, which is the part of you that is irreplaceable and the part of you that makes what you provide to the world or to the market And what I find is that most founders, they came into the entrepreneur space ⁓ more for themselves, wanting more for their families, wanting more for the market and wanting to disrupt the industry with something that is actually innovative or cutting edge. But as they grow that offer, rather than becoming the person who's actually the movement and disrupting the energy industry with their cutting edge IP, they end up becoming the chief everything officer who is doing like a million different tasks that other people can do for them. ⁓ as a result of that, evaporating their founder essence.

Jo McKee  I The Jo Show: nothing be proud of the way that you check your email really is there. a badge of honor. walk me through ⁓ you call the Freedom Flywheel If I'm a one person business drowning in tasks every day, how does it help me? Where do I start?

Michael Yeung  I  MyPolaris.io: Sure. So the freedom flywheel is an operating model that will allow the passage of time to compound in your favor rather than against your favor. So what I want to do here is to actually allow the founder to see output per time as the North Star metric rather than revenue or profits, because ultimately revenue is vanity and whilst you can absolutely become a very profitable business. It doesn't really matter if you're very profitable, if your life sucks or if in order for you to like maintain that level of income, you have to sacrifice all the other areas of life that matter most. Hence why I want to actually measure progress with is our output per time, AKA how much profit or how much progress we can actually bring in per hour or per unit of time. And the free and flywheel is the operating model that allows you to compound that metric. So to break down a free and flywheel, it basically comes down to us dialing in these two pillars. Number one, time spent in deep work. And number two, time spent building leverage. because if you dissect what is deep work, deep work according to research by people like County reports is a state where your whole being, your whole attention is focused on one objective. And that is when your productivity increases by 500%. And this is where. Yes, exactly. So, so that's why I keep telling my clients that if you simply protect two hours per day for deep work, you'll outperform the reactive founder who's bouncing between Monday tasks for 10 hours per day. If you protect two hours per day of the work, you will outperform the founder who is spending 10 hours per day bouncing between reactive and mundane tasks. Founders at the end of the day are mental athletes. And if you look at any athletes who are starting their sports, they don't, let's say play the first quarter in a basketball game, check their emails and play a second set, second quarter. And then when half time comes, they check their socials and then go to play a second half of the game. Like they are in the zone and that is what makes them perform. And for some founders, being in a zone might be coding. For other founders, being in a zone might be speaking on stage or creating content And that is what actually allows us to maximize our output per time. But obviously, if you have no systems and if everything runs on your shoulders, then habituating deep work becomes more or less impossible. That's why we have to then also partition time for the other end of the free and flywheel, which is building leverage. that and that records it down to a process of simplification and systematization so that we can eliminate everything that's getting in the way of the work outside of our calendars. So for example, let's say your highest outputs cause down to you being in a zone, creating then what you want to do here is to actually list out all of the recurring tasks or recurring processes that must be executed on a daily, weekly, monthly basis in order for a business to actually just operate and proceed to either delegate that to a virtual assistant or automate it with an AI tool or an AI agent, which is again, like super accessible to do these days at scale. And as you do that, if 80 % of your time is spent either in deep work or number two, eliminating things that causes you to get out of deep work, then you will end up creating a free and flywheel where it will be inevitable for you to just compound output per time as you continually innovate, continually systematize and reinvest and keep on reinvesting time into increasing your output per time.

Jo McKee  I The Jo Show: So the description of how you about delegating and optimizing, is that what you call the MDOS method?

Michael Yeung  I  MyPolaris.io: Yep. So that's basically the framework that we use for every single, like what, there's a framework that we use to map out every single asset or what I call value center of the business, because what causes most founders to not perform as well as they want to. isn't due to the lack of ideas, lack of knowledge, or even lack of resources. It is their ability to follow through, to turn an idea into an actual asset. And this brings me to a framework that I call idea to asset hourglass. Because if you think about the, because if you think about an hourglass, your, like at the beginning of you create an asset, you have an idea that's broad that requires you to have a lot of inputs. have to, you have to build upon the idea. have to create a strategy. And as you go ahead and create a feedback loop between what is working and start validating that strategy, then you can start getting results. But then once you get results, that's when you arrive at the middle point of the hourglass where you're kind of bottlenecked as in you, like the results are happening. But in order for the results to keep happening, you will have to be the person who keeps on operating upon that strategy. But in order for you to then amplify outputs, is where we can now, which brings it to the second half of the hourglass, which is now expanding, we have to rather than just remain at that strategy execution phase to actually proceeding to dive into deep strategy. You don't stop there. You proceed to take the extra step to systematize what is working, document the process so that as you hand it to a human being or robot, the results keep on coming without you being the bottleneck.

Jo McKee  I The Jo Show: Yes, it is that delegating that so many people joke even make light of, think, but is a serious problem that they have trouble doing. You know, I just can't delegate, know, ⁓ whether it's ego or just inability or lack of trust in the system they've built in the person or the AI agent that they want to delegate it to. It's a bit of a minefield. I like the way you lay it out really simply, calmly as usual, and clearly it's very, very good. Your VA's are AI trained. What does that mean practically? What can one of your VA's do that a standard VA can't?

Michael Yeung  I  MyPolaris.io: Sure. So I can't really speak to the virtual assistants who aren't AI enabled because like we're not in that role, but for our specific AI enabled marketing assistants or executive assistants, what we want to do is to make sure that we can develop high agency, high performing assistants who can bring on their own layer of leverage. So what I mean by that, what I mean is that right now with everything that can be done with AI, I'm pretty sure that whether you're a assistant, a mid-level manager, or even an entrepreneur, your AI enabled counterparts will make your non AI enabled counterparts irrelevant in a very short timeframe, given where AI is going. ⁓

Jo McKee  I The Jo Show: so that people hear this, yes.

Michael Yeung  I  MyPolaris.io: So what we want to do with our virtual assistants is that we want to actually, first of all, teach them systems thinking, and secondly, prompt them to learn how to approach their daily assigned workflows with AI being their weapon rather than an enemy. So for example, let's say a client has delegated a task of outbound. Outreaches or outbound lead generation to a marketing assistance. A non-AI enabled marketing assistance might go ahead and just go to LinkedIn, manually search up a list of target like ICPs manually reach out to those people one by one by one. But an AI enabled marketing assistance will go ahead and leverage tools like Claude Cowork, Apollo and Clay to scrape like a huge list of ICPs, contacts and emails, and also use AI to identify who is actually in the buying pockets. And then also use AI to deep personalize every single cold email at scale and send it out to the masses using a tool like Instantly.

Jo McKee  I The Jo Show: You work with, you know, coaches, consultants, ⁓ real estate ⁓ Do the that you ⁓

Michael Yeung  I  MyPolaris.io: along with a lot of agencies and service providers.

Jo McKee  I The Jo Show: Do you help founders build? the systems change regardless of industry?

Michael Yeung  I  MyPolaris.io: At the end of the day, there's only four ways for you to get traffic to your offer. outbound organic paid ads and partnerships. And whether you're running a coaching business, consulting business, agency business, or advisory, specialist business as an agent, it recons it down to these four lanes. And what we want to do here is to actually mix, like is actually map out the acquisition process, ⁓ which is the best for the client's stage of growth, the client's strengths, and the nature of your business. So for example, let's say you're a life coach, okay? Let's say you're a life coach. It will be insane for me to say that, hey, Mr. Life Coach, let's implement an outbound campaign where we code DM 5,000 people on how you can melt away a limited belief or become more high performing. Like it won't work, it won't work versus If you are a service provider with a very clear cut, more transactional offer, they can absolutely apply cold outbound as a very solid way to acquire clients. So it's basically, so we have frameworks across all of these avenues, but it really comes down to number one, mapping out what makes most sense for the founder, for the founders' goals and their offer and the nature of their business. and then going ahead and choosing the model which the AI power assistance can then operate for them.

Jo McKee  I The Jo Show: Sounds like a really just sensible way to look at it, you know, implement it in a way that's tailored to the industry and that's going to work for the longterm and scale. There is a cynical rate of what you do, you know, pay Michael to outsource your problems. What's the steel man argument against your model and how do you respond to it?

Michael Yeung  I  MyPolaris.io: Give me an example of what you mean by like, a steelman argument.

Jo McKee  I The Jo Show: You might, you might just like some people being cynical might say, ⁓ you know, just pay Michael to set up systems and they're just outsource my, my problems, but they're not really, I guess, fixing the root cause maybe of who they are and how they approach their business. So they're not going to get great results, you know.

Michael Yeung  I  MyPolaris.io: Yeah. So like that's why we don't see ourselves as staffing companies or systems building service providers. We treat ourselves like scaling partners with our clients because like, if you think about systems, you can think about, like, like, let's, let's, say, and treat your business as a vehicle. Okay. The vehicle would include the chassis or the car itself. the driver and what makes the car stand out. So you can imagine myself as a person who can. You get a car and plug in the driver to operate car for you, AKA the AI and assistance. But if you, as a founder has no founder essence to guide everybody on what a car should look like, how it's, how should be designed. what are the values, what makes a stand in the marketplace, then it's just going to be a, like just another car rather than a recognizable brand like Porsche.

Jo McKee  I The Jo Show: Mm hmm. Nicely said. Another thing people might look at when they see your feed, you know, you, you're based in Singapore, you're traveling a hundred days a year. It looks pretty darn good. What would you say to people who go, ⁓ that can't be real. You can't be really doing that. That's just the marketing presentation of his life, you know.

Michael Yeung  I  MyPolaris.io: Well, for a record, I'm based in Hong Kong, Singapore. No worries. ⁓ But, but, but yeah, like I, I think the, the reality is that we have to come to the, like we have to come to the realization that whilst we might believe that the only path to success is hard work and hustle. We also have to be aware that there's somebody else in our exit industry who is making five to 10 times more than us, whilst working with less than us and taking guilt-free vacations and 30 days at the coast level at the center. And that's not because they're more intelligent and talented or have some like manifestation crystals that magically causes them to transform their businesses and lives. It is because of their ability to see business through a lens of leverage building rather than through a lens of just creating a job for themselves.

Jo McKee  I The Jo Show: Hmm. can attest to the fact that I know that it's for real your, your travel and your life. And because your system's thinking has taught me and gosh, I was just looking back at the last year. I've had less resources needing to be running my business and more time off than I've had in the last seven years. Um, so I will vouch for the fact that your systems are actually authentic and do work.

Michael Yeung  I  MyPolaris.io: All I can say is like, given that we're kind of in this trust recession that I don't think is ever going to go away in the online space and how everybody here is like spotting claims, saying how awesome they are and so forth. That's why we don't like, we don't do claims. Our marketing is pretty much demonstration style. Now, like, and, every single SOP is not just there to help a company create speed, but also create space. In other words, I would never ever want to double a client's revenue whilst doubling the work hours and call the win. Like that will be a pretty sucky loss in my dictionary. I'd rather have somebody like, because, because again, going back to our North Star metric, being our proper time, if we double your profits and double your work hours, then your upper part time actually like say the same or worse. If we double your revenue, decrease your profit margins, but still doubled your work hours, your upper part time actually drops. sometimes we have to do some elimination. Sometimes we have to do some complexity replacements.

Jo McKee  I The Jo Show: Mmm.

Michael Yeung  I  MyPolaris.io: so that we can actually introduce simplicity because ultimately, yeah, we never ever want to scale something that is ineffective or eats our souls. We want to raise something that's, yeah, like it's actually fun to scale up.

Jo McKee  I The Jo Show: It's exactly right. It's just refreshing. ⁓ There's a lot of hype out there and I really appreciate that you don't do that. When you talk to founders, they're often going to think they need something when in fact they need something else. What's the common thing that you think that they tell you they need and you're going to actually, that's not what you need.

Michael Yeung  I  MyPolaris.io: think the most common pattern that I see is that founders think they need more tools, bigger tech stack, more AI prompts, more AI agents, so forth and so forth. What they actually need is a scalable end-to-end client journey. for example, again, going back to the example of how we will approach helping a live coach versus a

Jo McKee  I The Jo Show: Yes.

Michael Yeung  I  MyPolaris.io: service provider, like create client acquisition systems. You can go ahead and collect every single tactic around Instagram, YouTube, Facebook ads, YouTube ads, TikTok, Snapchat, all of those things. Yeah, exactly. But if you have no idea what is the most effective pathway for your business to turn a stranger into a paying clients, then all you will create is complexity and clutter rather than actual progress.

Jo McKee  I The Jo Show: Hmm. This is what I find when people get caught with the tactics, they're not building a business that suits who they are anymore. They're running on fear of missing out and just getting more and more scattered and distressed actually. And then the subscriptions pile up and they're not using them. And stress levels go up, like, because you're just fragmented in your energy. ⁓ So ⁓ you've seen a lot of people try to delegate and fail before they come to you. the biggest mindset shift they need for the delegation part to actually work?

Michael Yeung  I  MyPolaris.io: Good people don't break, sorry, good people don't fix broken systems. Broken systems.

Jo McKee  I The Jo Show: Good.

Michael Yeung  I  MyPolaris.io: Broken systems break good people. Like there are so many instances where a founder keeps romanticizing on an idea where a good hire can come in and transform their lives. But the reason why those expectations fall short is because nobody can actually know exactly how to run a business. And some of that includes a founder. Like we see like oftentimes we help on calls with prospects wanting help, let's say systematizing and delegating their marketing operations and a common call. And they want a marketing systems to fill up their calendars and help them book qualify leads. But I asked them like, cool, well, tell me about your end to end client journey. What kind of funnel you're running? What is working in your business right now? Or are you doing like, if you're doing content let me know what's working so that the marketing assistants can drive the car and help you free up time. And they're like, I actually like, I actually don't, have that. Isn't a marketing assistant supposed to just read my mind, ⁓ how to market my business better than I do ⁓ somehow fix all my problems. And I'm like, well, ⁓ somebody who is less sophisticated around your offer, your markets and your vision can do that than what is like, what makes your business special. that's why, again, back to my point, we don't just staff our clients with here enable assistance. We actually help them map out their end to end client journey, turn it into a vehicle and then plug in a driver because that is how we guarantee a return on time and money invested for like into any person that you're onboard to a company.

Jo McKee  I The Jo Show: I think you've answered my next question. There you go with wisdom building from the firm foundation again. I was going to ask you if somebody's not ready or able to invest in a program yet, what's something they could do at no charge this week that would move the needle? But I think you've answered that by saying, think about your end to end client journey. Get that very clear.

Michael Yeung  I  MyPolaris.io: Yeah, that's what I will recommend at the beginning. In fact, like we can, can drop you a link in a show notes and I can even share with your resource for audiences ⁓ because ultimately what I treat, like what I see as a cloud at the end journey comes down to these following stages. Number one, traffic. Number two, nurture. Number three, converts. Number four, onboard. Number five, deliver. Number six, retain or ascend. If there's a lack of clarity around how either of these six areas are operating in your business, then all I can say is what cannot be repeated cannot be documented and what cannot be documented cannot be delegated.

Jo McKee  I The Jo Show: Well said. We'll definitely get that link in the description. It'd be excellent for people to start there. Thank you. What does a well-designed week look like for you right now? What are you spending time on?

Michael Yeung  I  MyPolaris.io: Great question. A well-designed week would involve me being able to do the following routines on a daily basis. Number one, wake up on time. haven't hit snooze in five years. Number two, two hours, like spend at least two hours in deep work. Number three, go to the gym, go for a sauna, go take a cold shower afterwards in the afternoons. And number four, and work before 6pm so that I can just spend the night by myself with my wife and like just, yeah, like, like just chill and recover and just be present without having to worry about anything else. What's even more important our ability to protect boundaries. and dictate what goes in and what does not go into our calendars.

Jo McKee  I The Jo Show: Well said. It's a massive thing. So important just to really protect those boundaries. I agree with you 100%.

Michael Yeung  I  MyPolaris.io: Yeah, like, there's no, like, and to anybody who thinks that they should work a certain amount of hours or should live life a certain way, all I can say is, sit with yourself and really clarify your definition of success. Because if I'm gonna be honest with myself, for example, I would... be pretty depressed if I were to swap places with people like Alex Hormozzi or Elon Musk. Like, whilst their life and business quote unquote is successful, that's not the life that I want or nor is that life a reflection of my own definition of success. I want to live my life a certain way. I want to build my business as big or as small as I want to. And I want to simply like, Yeah. Live the kind of life that I want. And the pursuit of other people's goals is like the pursuit of trying to wear someone else's pants. It's pretty uncomfortable and it feels weird. it doesn't like, and whilst you might think that you will get recognition or you might get validated, like the first person that you have to get validation and validation from is yourself. And you have to end. People just have to go through that.

Jo McKee  I The Jo Show: It's so true. You've really touched on one of the themes of what I try to do with this podcast is helping people see how they can build a business that suits who they are. You know, some people love the 20 hour a day work and that's fantastic and they're building excellent things and all credit to them. You know, I certainly learned a couple of years ago that that's, don't want to build an empire. I just like serving a handful of clients really well and I love my lifestyle. that was a... huge relief for me to just go with that and then build the systems my way as well that suit who I am and this is I love hearing that this is what you help people do it's fantastic. What's working for you right now to market your business?

Michael Yeung  I  MyPolaris.io: Great question. So we currently have two lanes in our business. the first, so to give you a quick idea of how this operates right now, we have like our core program as a partnership offer, where partially that involves systems and productivity coaching and consulting. And the... Other side of that is done for you delegation, where we simply help people on board, train, manage, and guide their AI-enabled systems to help delegate and free up a ton of time for the founders. And that's our core offer. And what we have done ⁓ for that core offer, what is working right now is tons of content, tons of nurturing, and more or less omnipresent ecosystem kind of branding play. And that's less of a funnel. That's more of a flywheel because when you can routinely capture and retain attention, that is when you're able to have somebody see you as a prime choice. And when you paired it up with an offer that's pretty unique by itself, such as ours, then you will simply get a pipeline of warm, even hot buyers. So that's the first lane. that's working real well for us. And second lane is the pure service offer that we have spent out from our core offer. Because at the end of the day, some businesses, have their systems dialed in, they have awareness around what it takes to delegate, but they just need solid AI enabled talent. to help them buy back time and create leverage for that sector of our audiences. We simply bring them through a super simple VSL funnel. So there's no opt-in pages, there's just a six minute video sales sector with a super short application form. And as long as they qualify, we hop on call and we just, like we just, ⁓ identify who they're looking for, what is the ideal responsibility, requirements, etcetera that they want to see in their AI enabled assistance. And we just do staffing, recruitment and task development.

Jo McKee  I The Jo Show: Sounds like a very solid system. You know, it's great. I've got questions I would like to ask you just in quick succession. Whoa, sure. Just to see how you go. Bit of a quick fire round. whether it's personal or professional, ⁓ the best delegation you've ever made?

Michael Yeung  I  MyPolaris.io: The biggest relief to me is marketing tech and operations. Anything involving setting up automations, funnels, connecting email domains, deliverability, speaking to go high level supports, Meta pixels Converge API, like all of those things, whilst I'm good at them, whilst like the moment I delegated that to a marketing tech assistant, my life just changed.

Jo McKee  I The Jo Show: ⁓ fantastic. Don't have to check all the links work. Somebody else can do that. Yeah. Yeah. What's one tool that you would keep if you had to delete everything else? Just the best tool.

Michael Yeung  I  MyPolaris.io: Claude Cowork.

Jo McKee  I The Jo Show: ⁓ huh. It's a game changer.

Michael Yeung  I  MyPolaris.io: It's the best.

Jo McKee  I The Jo Show: I had an AI agent the other day that I was running on. I tried to experiment with it actually on a cheaper model. And I spent seven hours trying to fix a problem. And then I got, I thought, hang on, we're really looping here. So I moved it to Claude Opus 4.6 and we solved it in literally two minutes.

Michael Yeung  I  MyPolaris.io: It is, it is insane. And that's why like, even if you remove every single other tool that is on my test that right now, as long as I have Claude, I encode it up. I encode back that tech stack or just have Claude take control of everything.

Jo McKee  I The Jo Show: Claude's Claude coworkers, the ride or die for Michael Young. What, what do most productivity gurus just get completely wrong.

Michael Yeung  I  MyPolaris.io: they confuse activity with progress.

Jo McKee  I The Jo Show: ⁓ yes, that old chestnut. vet surgeon to freedom flywheel. What's the one skill that's crossed over?

Michael Yeung  I  MyPolaris.io: the ability to stay disciplined around what you are looking to achieve and not bounce between different avenues or shortcuts to what you actually want to do.

Jo McKee  I The Jo Show: That is something I have observed in you. Yes. It's very good.

Michael Yeung  I  MyPolaris.io: Yeah. Like Vet surgeon, the path was pretty linear, ⁓ creating a business that serves and the life that I want to live that path's pretty direct as well. You know what you gotta do, but sometimes those decisions, my challenge believes might push you out of your comfort zone. But as long as you actually follow the plan ⁓ develop an identity where follow through is your middle name, then you'll just get there.

Jo McKee  I The Jo Show: I like that develop an identity where follow through is your middle name and then you'll just get there. That's excellent. Really good. Michael, thank you for your time. We'll put links in the description, of course, for where people can find you. Your website is mypolaris.io Is that correct? For anyone listening and not reading the description, I just wanted to make sure that was clear. ⁓ so that people can find you because ⁓ the service that you offer founders just to really reduce. their anxiety levels, their stress, give them their life back, bring some calm into their business and let it scale. I mean, that is just gold. So really glad you could come on the show and I hope that the people listening will connect with you. Thank you so much.

Michael Yeung  I  MyPolaris.io: Appreciate you. And yeah, this was super fun. So thanks for having me again.