Natalie Buck: And action. We're back. Just kidding. mean, kind of. It's only me. Much like we tried to tell you guys, Natalie couldn't, I texted her and I'm like, I think I need to do an emergency podcast. She's like, I can't do it till next Monday. I'm like, well, then I got to do it right now. She's like, Godspeed, do it. ⁓ I just want to come on here quickly because I have 87 things that I need to say that I'm just not getting across on our stories. But also I feel like we need to kind of circle back, if you will. Pull over, if you must. A scene was caused, you could say we caused a scene when we announced our departure. No, it wasn't a departure. We are not like, it sounded more dramatic than it is. Full disclosure, like this is a safe space. Everybody has been like sending us like the Facebook group and like our DMs are flooded with like comments of people just being like what the fuck's going on and honestly same like we came on here last month and we're like This is the last episode for a while, but like we're not going anywhere. The podcast is not ending We just didn't want to set ourselves up for failure when we didn't record for a month like we just did like Everyone's like what could they be so busy with? It's not that we're so busy with new things, although Natalie is filming something today. I don't know if I'm allowed to say that, but I just did. It's not that I have two toddlers or anything. It's just that we were getting to a point where like, mean, truthfully, like it felt stacked. Like we stalled, we fully felt like we had stalled. ⁓ We are the only ones doing this podcast. We don't have producers behind the scenes writing us scripts. We don't have producers pulling stories for us. We don't have producers writing up TV recaps for us. And so it just felt like We didn't really know what we wanted to do and how we wanted to navigate it. We just didn't want to get to a point where you guys were like, wow, they suck. So we got ahead of it and we just were kind of like putting ourselves on pause. ⁓ That being said, I love podcasting. If you're new around here, if you're old around here, like I live for a microphone. I live for a hot take. This is not the end of me, okay? I don't know at what capacity, but don't worry. Like Natalie's trying to get that Oscar and like I'm just trying to get on another podcast, okay? ⁓ But one that kind of, you I don't know, like if one falls in my lap or I have an idea or we decide in six months to come back and do it, you know, twice a week or, you know, in my dream world, like I'm podcasting three times a week. Maybe it's not about TVs. TV and movies, but you I do love podcasting and Natalie loves podcasting. We're just trying six years later to make it conducive to our lifestyles. Thank you for allowing me to have the floor. That being said, I'm back. You guys, like, of course we take a pause and so much shit has happened. I don't really know where to begin, but I'm going to begin with. Salt Lake City. Provo, if you will. Hi? Before this all. happened. I was enjoying the season kind of. ⁓ I'm obviously watching. Why do I want to say Real Housewives, Mormon wives? ⁓ I'm watching it. Now I'm watching it through a different lens and I'm scared. Okay. If you live under a rock, I love that for you and I'm so happy for you. Unfortunately, some of us live on the front lines. And Taylor Frankie Paul is all I can see right now. So I feel the need to just give my 87 cents on it. Here's the lowdown. This is a woman who became TikTok famous. And for those of you who are like, why are you coming back this week to do an episode? I'm going to tell you if you are unfamiliar with the scenario, it's giving scandal. Honestly, like that's where I'm at mentally in my life. Okay. TikTok famous mom gets a reality show, gets another reality show. That's the bulk of it. Cut to last week, a The horrific is the only word I can really think of, but there are obviously many words to describe a video that was leaked to TMZ regarding this woman. where do I begin in this journey? Do I begin with the fact that she was supposed to be the bachelorette or do I begin with the fact that she was already given a platform via Hulu, which is where her show airs? I think I'm going to start with Hulu. Cause I want to take it back to the video that surfaced is a video of her and her baby daddy at the time boyfriend arguing in what seems like, and this is all allegedly, it seems like a drug in fueled alcohol rage. I mean, that is the only way to describe it between the two of them. Now these are two monsters. Let me make that very clear. There is no victim in this. I do not feel for one or the other. These two in the words of Brittany Carr, right? Can rot and hail. Okay. These people are horrible people. Are they damaged? Of course. Are they victims in their own minds? Of course. Are they probably battling a lot more than we know? Of course. However, again, if you're new around here, I got a thing with kids. Okay. There is a video that I accidentally watched. And I wish that I could unsee it. I wish that I would not have stopped and said, hmm, what is this? Unfortunately, I watched it and it's a video of these two fighting, being insane, honestly, being insane. Now, at one point she has the baby daddy boyfriend in a choke hold. He whips out his camera. He starts videoing. I think the general public, honestly, and this is just where we're at. Like I think that her fans could have forgiven her for putting him in a chill cold. I really do. I think people would have seen past that. I think she's mental and I have a zero, zero, zero, zero domestic violence, abuse, children, zero canceled in my book canceled. Sorry. I sound like a Karen, but you want to cancel people for their tweets. Okay. We're canceling people for abuse. Totally fine with that. ⁓ She has him in a chokehold. He then like escapes and she starts hurling barstools, metal, my dad, barstools at him. And then we hear a child on the couch. This child is watching what seems to be a movie on the couch. I get a pit, horrifying. I think that that's where it ends. Then you hear the child crying like mommy, mommy, Still, okay, horrifying that they're doing this in front of a child. Then you hear a bar stool or you see the bar stool get thrown and what seems to You see the barstool or you hear it hit the child and it immediately cuts through the child screaming. Mind you, I'm like imagining Cicely, like her cry in that video sounded like what Cicely's cry is. I cannot even fathom. There's so many layers to this. The rage and the mental state you have to be in to not attend to your child who is A, asking you to stop fighting and B, after the little girl gets hit and we now know that obviously it was accidental. I feel the need to say that. Not that like, honestly, I don't even know why I just like felt the need. No, horrific, horrific, horrific. We saw in like police reports that like it was noted that there was like a welt on the child on the little girl's forehead or somewhere on her body that like she had to be attended to. like, this is just, it gave me a pit. I literally cannot look at her the same. also think it's very important to note that like I said, two monsters, this is a disturbing, disturbing, disturbing. ⁓ my God. Like disturbing isn't even like, this is absolutely heinous. It's heinous. It's, it's actually heinous. Sorry. I'm like getting really worked up. It's been a minute since I've like had anyone to talk to. No, I'm kidding. ⁓ So like for that reason, when I hear the child screaming, crying, and then the video cuts out, like that's it for me. We're done here. I've seen and heard all the things that are going to give me like. Honestly a pit for a very long time because I just don't know and not to like harp on it But I'm going to because I have a mic and a platform as a mother and you know judging mom club You know, I'm always here and we're not allowed to judge moms and we're not allowed to like comment on moms and we're not allowed to like ever even if it's like in this scenario like there's gonna be people in my DM being like talking about how I'm like shitting on her But like as a mom truly Not even as a good mom, just like as someone who like is raising your kids. How do you not just fucking stop? Like that's what scares me with this is like, I mean, if you have children, you know, their cries, you, hear Phantom cries. My children are two and four and I still wake up in the middle of the night hearing Phantom cries. Like that's what I can't get past is like your child is screaming, crying, and like, you still can't snap out of like whatever the haze is. And I've seen the dialogue back and forth. Well, he did this and then she re, I don't care. Like retaliation, no. This is so disturbing and it's so, so sad for the kids. And like I said, I think people would have been like, ⁓ she put them in a headlock. Who cares? Like disturbing. But I'm sorry, with a child and now knowing like, I really think that like, this is just the tip you guys, like I think that there's more to come and I think it's gonna be horrible. Because if this is a one night, three years ago, like what's happened since then? ⁓ They have a baby together now, scary. Sorry, I'm all over the map. I wanted to just set the scene of that. That is how season one of Mormon Wives, episode one ends. So like if we want to take it to like an analytical logistical Producer standpoint you're telling me that Somebody you can't convince me that no one in production at any level the head of Hulu the head of who owns Hulu ABC like you can't tell me that like an EP somewhere ⁓ an assistant eight like you can't tell me that not a single person on the Mormon wives Production team has not seen that video. I don't know. Maybe they have it But they've read the police report and it stated in there that like there was a child like domestic violence situation. It's kind of disturbing that Hulu like committed to it. Honestly, like it makes you look through the entire show through a different lens. like what I was saying is I'm watching the show now and I started it before all this happened. These women are miserable. Like let's say none of this happened. and Taylor, Frankie, Paul, like whatever, I would still come on here and talk about how scared I am of this season of Mormon Wives. It's just got a dark cloud over it. Aside from this, ⁓ Taylor seems very unwell. And again, everything is alleged and everything I'm just, I know, I- How do you say this? I have been around many types of people in my life with many different types of addictions or mental health, ⁓ diagnosis, like... Taylor is not someone who is well or happy. And I think we like need to like shine a light on that. Like this entire season. leading up to what we now know, like she's very, very, she's not well. Like I don't think that these women on the show enjoy the show, if that makes any sense. I think like Macy does and like, like Whitney is obviously like getting a large amount of success. Like Demi like left again. I don't really know what's going on there, but for the most part, I don't really think that they're like happy. And I think that we need to like listen to them. You know what I mean? Like, That's all I can see. That's that was my thought watching this a week ago is like. Taylor doesn't seem well or healthy, like I don't think she should be on our screens like I'm uncomfortable. OK, kind of same with Michaela. Like they all just seem like they seem drained. They honestly seem like shells of of their own being. Right. OK, so now I'm watching that thinking like, wow, they hate they just seem like they all hate life. Then this happens. Mormon Wives has been put on pause. I don't think the show can ever come back. Or if it does, it can never come back with Taylor. Couple days later, Bachelor, of course, announces that they will no longer be airing her season. She is now canceled from The Bachelor. like we knew they would, like, of course they had to do that. But also ABC, you're in that camp too. You and Hulu were in your cahoots and thought you really did something big. You're telling me that you were like, yep, she's on probation still. Taylor is still on probation. think Jesse made a comment about it in one of the episodes. Like you're telling me that you saw this woman with a criminal record who is currently on probation and thought, yep, that's the one. She's the one. Like it should have been Miranda. No, I don't need to see any of them as the Bachelorette. Let me get that right out there. But if you're going to do it, like, ⁓ my God, it's so dark. This is like, this is one of those things where in 10 years we're going to get a book that's like the dark side of reality TV. You know, there there's one every couple of months and this is going to be one, I mean every couple of years. And this is going to be one and it's going to be about all the behind the scenes and everyone. from the bottom to the top of ABC who like allowed this to happen. Am I missing anything? Because like, I want to get like the news out of the way, but then I, I got to really, we got to rein it in and I got to talk about the season. I think what I really just wanted to come on here and say is that I'm so disgusted and I'm so sad for those children. I find myself like, and this is just because I am not well myself, but like literally I was like thinking about the little girl as I was falling asleep last night. I'm like, how? scary is that as a child. I, and again, the privilege that I have, I don't even know if I want to call it privilege, because like every child deserves a loving mother or father or I don't know, both. I cannot fathom being scared in your, like I really, I am so sad for these kids. I'm so sad for these kids. All of them. Because like I said, the incident that happened was, was with her daughter. And then, you know, a year later, she has a baby with this man. Do you guys ever notice how she's always picking? Sorry, I'm all over the map. Just please bear with me. Speaking of like judging mom clubs, we're not allowed to like judge, but I'm here. And I've already said a lot in 17 minutes. Do you ever notice how she's always picking the baby up from her mom's house? And I don't mean this in a judgmental way. I mean this from like, I mean this from truly like, again, this was before. I knew what I know now as I'm watching this the last three years, she's always, she, only does she have, I don't know, 50, 50, whatever her custody is with, with Dakota, you're already getting your child half the amount of time, right? Cause he spends time with him. But then like when you do have the baby, like she's always filming and she's always picking him up from her mom's house. And I'm like, is that a sign? Like, is that something that we should have been looking at? Like she's not well, like I really think that we're dealing with someone who is mentally, I mean, she flies off the handles. She flies off the motherfucking handles at any given chance to her mom, to her, to Dakota. I'm not saying that she's in the right or wrong. I'm just saying that this is someone who is obviously very, very, very, very deeply, deeply. deeply just like hurt, but also like I was saying, like not well. And I know we say like not well bitch, but I really mean that. Like I really mean in a sincere, like from a mental health standpoint and even like, even just in general, I don't think that she's healthy in her body, mind or soul. Like I just don't. And that's what scares me about all this. and Natalie and I were texting about it last week. like, have so much to say, but I don't want to pile on her. But also to me, to me, that video is, there is no, there is no, I'm trying to think of a scenario in which like she could come out and tell her side. I really don't think there is one. Like they just both need to go very far away. Like they really, really do. And they need to leave the children with the people who like will protect them. Cause it ain't those two. It ain't those two. They're not protecting anyone or anything. And it's really sad. Like It's just so sad. And that's what I keep going back to is like, who cares? Her bachelor season didn't air. I don't give a fuck. Like she didn't need that. Now she's sleeping with Dakota the whole season. That's what's insane is if I maybe see like I'm kind of pissed. I don't know though. Maybe not. It's like, did they know? Did they just get her for like the scene that it would cause, boy, did she cause a scene. You know, there's so much drama. I'm not even a Bachelor franchise person, but there's always so much drama being like, you're here for the wrong reasons. You're here. Well, poster child, she was absolutely there for the wrong, like she kept saying, like, I don't have a choice. don't know. You don't have a choice about what to go on the Bachelor. You think that like, this is the only way to get over him or like break this cycle. I don't know. It's like, this is such a weird season. It's such a weird season. She's like trying to convince herself that she wants to go on The Bachelor, but yet she cries over Dakota. Why are you always crying over Dakota? He's not even your husband of like 10 years. He was like your boyfriend of a year and you got pregnant and then he cheated on you while you were... Like their dynamic is so foreign to me and I can't figure out why she's like... I mean, maybe maybe she's been scared of him this whole time because she knew we had the video. Maybe she didn't know the video existed. I don't know, but they're both really troubled and I need I need like, I don't know, I'm like over talking about them. Sorry, I can't believe I did it this long. Sorry, guys. Anyways, you know, now in regards to the season. Jessie's now getting a divorce, thank God, because she's been talking about it for two years and her husband is insane. Stop trying to make dad talk happen. Stop wearing the merch. Who asked for dad talk? I feel like they just like gave it to us and we didn't know what to do with it. So we like smiled and went with it. And now we're all like, wait, how did we get here? Michaela and her husband off TV, please. She's not well. She's not happy. She's going through her own struggles that I think need to be dealt with in private. He ain't the one for her. Let me just like dissect all these couples. Okay. I go back and forth with Jen and her husband. I watched a really horrible scene for him. And it seems like all he ever does is have horrible scenes. It's just him being a mom, complaining about how hard it is and how he's just not happy. But he's piling on to Jen. And this is someone who is eight weeks postpartum. May I remind you, I didn't leave the house for six months and she's out here eight weeks later, like. It makes me sad because this is all she's ever wanted. And I think I really think that if she would have maybe said like next year, I think they would have given it to her. But she felt like she had to take this opportunity. And it's just really hard to watch right now because I remember during the season, like seeing things. ⁓ But now it's like, know how much she's struggling. And then this bozo's over here adding onto her being like, the kids really miss you. And like, I'm no mommy. Well, no shit. But like you could be like Whitney's husband and just like be nice and shut up and do it so that your wife could like have her own thing. I don't know. So she could try and be happy. Call me crazy. He's everything that's wrong with like men and man as Ty just walks in in the world. He cannot like get past his own shit to let his wife like who's clearly suffering. like when he made the comment about like, how am I supposed to like, watch my wife dance with like a man in front of Cinderella's castle. How about you fucking grow a pair? That's how like what he's he's crazy. And also that's what like a partnership is. You struggle behind the scenes to allow your partner to shine so that when they're given their opportunity, like you can rules reverse. Like Dancing with the Stars is like what three months and this guy couldn't suck it up and the poor girl wasn't even doing that great. from like what I, I don't remember, but. Yeah, he's not great. And if she really does, I posted this on our stories, if she really does love him, she needs to like, which of course here is a woman like sacrificing her like happiness for him, but she needs to like get off the show because like, can't imagine America's being kind to him. So like we need him off our screens because his takes just aren't it. And I get what he was trying to say. Yeah, being at home, hey, welcome to the show. Being at home with the kids all day. While your partner's gone, it ain't easy and it's not for everyone. But when your partner is given an opportunity that is she's, she said a hundred times that winning the mirror ball is her dream. And like, it's very clear that she won't be winning the mirror ball, but like let her dream. Also she's eight weeks postpartum. The sundown scaries hit so bad at that point. She said she was getting like two to three hours of sleep a night and this idiot's over here like, so why don't we ever go on date nights? How about you kiss my ass? He's so annoying. I can't stand him. Okay. Any other couples that I need to dissect? I'm so happy Jesse's and her husband are not together. Apparently. ⁓ she's going on Call Her Daddy tomorrow. I'm recording this right on Tuesday and I'm going to put it out immediately. Macy's a queen. I love her. We saw a clip of her FaceTiming Jen and it was after she came on our podcast because I could tell because she said, She had just left Tammann Hall and she was doing podcasts and she was wearing the yellow dress and that just like made me happy because I really like her. She tried to warn us. You guys go back and listen to our episode with Macy from October, I believe it was. She tried to warn us. She said, I'm really worried for Taylor and her mental health and. Also, like the hairy jowzy part was very confusing. Taylor is just digging, digging, digging. It's been pretty silent from that camp. think Layla and Mace, no not Macy, Miranda spoke out being against Taylor. I think they posted stories, but I think for the most part, everyone's just reeling behind the scenes, freaking out what the fuck is going on. I cannot imagine that these women saw that video. I really can't. If any of them had seen that video, I feel like it would have come out in like someone's drunken rage or something. However, Demi like has been making comments online, like alluding to like, I tried to tell you guys it's no secret. Like Taylor, they, they kind of address it because they used body cam footage, like from the, the cop at the end of the first episode. like we had to address it. I myself was not under the impression that there was a child. maybe that was just me tuning in season one, not really knowing who these women were, because I'm not on TikTok and I didn't really care. I had no idea that like that footage that we saw is what, ⁓ I don't know you guys, like I kind of have a headache now. I need a water. I just like came on so hot. What did I say? I just blacked out. don't think they've had their reunion yet. I would be shocked if they film it. Like, how are they, like... It seems like we're just like, it seems like there's going to be more things like every day, every week. Like how happy is Justin Timberlake that this happened? Okay. Like his body cam footage of him like hooting and hollering up in the jail. It's like that like was brushed aside because of all of the drama with these women and like now men. We just got to, we got to make dad talk. So, Oh, someone sent me something that they're starting a new Mormon wives with like Jen and some new girls. I don't know. I'm not asking for that. I don't think Jen, I'm not, I didn't ask for that. Just let the record show. I think that all of the girls, except for like Macy, ⁓ Jesse. and Whitney, mean, Whitney can, Whitney and Connor are laughing right now. They are like, we're on Broadway, I'm in movies, I'm never going back. Like if we ever see Whitney on Hulu ever again, like I'd be shocked. I think she said, see ya. Demi has never been happier that she stopped filming with these women. The others, I just think like, I think a lot of them need to get off TV. I really do. I think they need to like prioritize themselves, their children's, their marriages or not, or leave your marriage. Like I can't, I can't get a read on it. I'm getting whiplash, but it seems like there is very much, if there wasn't a dark cloud over this franchise, this last season, there very much is a dark cloud over it right now. And I'm sure that, you know, in a year or a month or a week or we'll get the his version, her version, his version, her, I don't want them. I don't want either of them. I want Taylor and Dakota to go away. Like the, no, I want them to go away. It's so, so wrong on so many levels. And if you can get to that point in front of your children and then go past it, no, bye. Both of you bye. Like literally bye. And ABC sees that now. But I believe, I believe that. What a bunch of idiots. Honestly, this is just like a bunch of idiots all combined. It's like every dummy got in a room and was like, all right, how can we fuck shit up? And then, and then they did. And now I keep seeing things that like ABC's scrambling to like get some, like we don't care. We're over it. We don't, we don't need the winner of Taylor season to be the bachelor. We like, really you're going to try and convince us that like she was going to marry this guy. If there even was a winner, who knows? It was probably. honestly it was probably like a boring season. Truly. Like she needs to work on herself for her children, for her children's sake. Also, we need to talk about the way she was talking to her mom. Holy shit. Or I guess the way they talk to each other. Like I'm scared. Like I'm scared of her for sure. And also like no one sticks. I don't know. She is just, I can't, I don't want to talk about her anymore. I'm grossed out. I need to like go hug my kids. Anyways, that was crazy. Thanks for joining. I'm going to upload this right now. Going to surprise a lot of people. ⁓ I know that Natalie was watching the Miley Cyrus. She's very excited about that. So like maybe she'll come on next week and tell you about that. Maybe we'll both come on next week. Maybe we won't. I'm sorry guys. Like I don't I wish I had like a better... ⁓ I hear Bibi coming in. I wish I had like a better explanation, we just like, we're out here just trying to like podcast some days and not the other. ⁓ But it's not the end. You'll know when it's the end. Anywho, follow us on Causing a Scene, Sarah Gretzky, Natty Buck, and thanks for listening. Send this to like your Mormon Y friends. Send this to like your girl group. I honestly don't know what I just said. So like, I'm sorry for the last 32 minutes. ⁓ That's all. Have a lovely Tuesday. Love you guys so much. Like we'll keep you updated. We'll keep posting. And if we happen to hop on again, if you're subscribed on Apple or Spotify, you'll get notified when an episode drops. All right. That's all. And scene.