Tiera Fletcher: back to Rock It With The Fletchers where faith lifts us, love grounds us, and Rock It's Launch Us.

Myron Fletcher: Today, we're talking about something that connects faith and creativity, the faith to innovate.

Tiera Fletcher: That's right, that's right. Because innovation isn't just about technology or engineering. It's about solving problems, new possibilities, and stepping into ideas that just don't exist yet. Have ever had an idea you felt excited about, but also a little afraid to pursue?

Myron Fletcher: You know, that's a really good question, Tierra. I can think of 1,001 ideas that come to mind and definitely afraid to pursue. And I think, you know, one thing I ⁓ our listeners to from this episode is, you know, understanding that with faith, you can tie innovation to faith. And I think that's one thing we're gonna push forth in this episode. But yeah, there's always that come to mind. maybe I shouldn't do this, maybe I should do that. a lot of times I use you as my sounding board and really spending time in prayer and reading the word to really get an understanding on what I should be doing in a certain season versus another season. So yeah, there's been plenty of times I a little afraid to pursue what I did. came to mind. What about yourself?

Tiera Fletcher: You know what? I think that this happens more times than it should with me, especially for just those big ideas where you think of something that just isn't really out there yet, right? So it's probably your million dollar idea, but you were just for whatever reason, whatever reason you can fabricate, come up with, it just prevents you from pursuing it. So I will say that this happens to me quite frequently. Because there's just something about just not experiencing that particular thing or just not really understanding the next steps. just the risk that comes along with that, that can just draw you back right from pursuing it. So I've that quite a bit.

Myron Fletcher: Yeah, you know a good thing, right? It's a risk versus reward versus tolerance, right? Like what's your risk reward tolerance? That's what I like to call it. But the reality is most people think innovation starts with intelligence, but it actually starts with curiosity. We talked about that in one of our earlier episodes of how we're super excited about our children and their curiosity and how their curiosity has sparked all of these different things that I think about to my admiring today. We were driving, looking for some land today. And as we were driving, Myron was working on this project, and this is Myron Jr. He was working on this project. This project, he had to come up with a business idea to create something, whether it be a business or a service. he had to come up with a business plan. He had to come up with the product he planned on selling, the cost of the product, the profit and loss statement type of ordeal. He had come up with... The reasoning behind him wanting to sell it, he had to come up with the catchphrase for the business. And then he had to design a prototype of the particular, he had to drop, provide five to 10 prototypes of the particular thing he wanted to build. And so his mom asked, hey Brian, what do you wanna build? What do you wanna design? He was like, I wanna build airplanes. And was like, okay, all right. He said, I wanna build paper airplanes, okay. All right, I want to build rainbow airplanes. so, story short, he designed his own logo. So he drew a paper airplane and he drew little squares on it he had the rainbow colors on the airplane. And with that, he began to say, well, how much should I sell these for, right? So he began to think about like his business, like if he creates these, how much should he sell them for, right? So we know the paper costs 10 cents, know, well, you want your profit to be signed. He's like, I'm gonna sell them for $10. I'm like, hey, you want $9.90 for every airplane you sell? I'm with that son. these were all his ideas. His mom was just feeding him questions, and he began to answer because ⁓ his curiosity. He created his own business, and he's got this awesome poster that created with his business plan. I mean, it's just ⁓ absolutely We took his actual picture. put it through AI software and it pulled out the logo and the design and built the whole project off it. And it's just absolutely cool. And so, but that's just one of those things where curiosity that, you know, people think it's intelligence. No, get me wrong. Our children are, ⁓ I'd like think they're intelligent for their age, but it's really the curiosity that they're really the innovation within him, you know? And so, T.R., I'll pass it over to you, you know, to talk about how. you know, it's not just intelligence, but it's actually, you know, it starts with curiosity.

Tiera Fletcher: That's right, because the idea that he came up with, I didn't feed him that, right? It was just some curiosity that he had. He was like, well, we have to use materials that are at home. We paper, so what if I just do paper airplanes? That's how he was able to ideate, if you will, in order to think about what different ideas that I could provide for this business. And in aerospace, innovation often begins with someone asking a simple question. What if we try something different? The Wright brothers prime example There were no planes flying around in their skies when they were Creating all of the different planes in Kitty Hawk just trying to figure out you know How do you even get in the air in the first place and stay there? They had to have that question of well, what if you know, what if we could fly what if we could try something different? rocketry Rockets were not a thing outside of fireworks. those huge rockets that we use today for space exploration, you know, in the 50s the 60s, the question had to come up. What ⁓ we something different? And you know, that's all based on curiosity. And what are you willing to allow yourself to think about and to explore and to dream about? And that's curiosity. So some different examples that come to mind that I've directly experienced would be engineering teams brainstorming solutions to complex problems. I've experienced this in the academia space as well as in the industry space. coming together and everyone has to ask the question, well, what if we could do this or what if we could do that? It doesn't start by having the answers the beginning. It starts by having the questions in order to come up with different solutions that could work for whatever the problem is and small design adjustments that improve large systems. We talk about building a rocket, but guarantee you that there are many different small systems that start at the very minute of, can we get the engine to move to the left? How can we get the gimbals to interact with all the different electronic symbols to get it to move all the different degrees that we needed to move. Even down from that, how can we get this to stick on despite these forces? It goes to those definite minor details all come together to build something huge and complex to build a large system. So those small design adjustments that you see in order to prevent a leak, in order to enhance the aerodynamics of the rocket of the plane. All of those little small design adjustments, are where innovation truly begins, even at the small level. I also think about lessons learned from testing and failure. We both relate to that. Of course, with you being literally, you know, you are a rocket propulsion test engineer and flight test engineer. had direct career in doing that on a very large scale. And you know what, I think that you should talk about that. Can you bring in a couple of examples of you have seen just something that, you know, it was just, it was deemed a failure based on testing. What did you do about that? And what did that look like? ⁓

Myron Fletcher: Yeah, know, yeah, question, right? know, testing interesting, right? So, you know, when you're with space hardware, a lot of times happen that kind of contradict reality to make a little, I give a prime example. We were building out the debris screens for a space launch system, which are the last, the last, catcher of any debris downstream in the engine section to catch anything before it gets to the actual engines. And so as we began to design these, now these were supposed to be space shuttle heritage design, but due to the configuration of space launch system and due to the system having to change, we had to create a water flange and make them a little bit wider and deeper than they were for space launch, I mean for space shuttle. Long story short, As you began to build and design these the way they were historically designed, we had an issue where we kept getting out of tolerance for the waviness and the flatness requirements for these debris screens. And so in this process, we had to go through a root cause corrective action, is what we call it, where we try to go figure out why are these debris screens failing in the built cycle when we have thousands of them that were built before? Like what's really happening here? And believe it or not, there was a Teflon seal that was metal to bend, 316L stainless steel to bend, ⁓ wasn't supposed to happen. Theoretically, that's not supposed to happen based on principles, but it was happening. And then our root cause and corrective action, we found out that it was a Teflon causing it. We had to switch the Teflon to a different material. And in switching the material, we were able to get 100 % success pass rate on these debris screens. that's just a prime example of how, you know, something so little, something so minute that, you know, you would never imagine causing an issue being a major issue and then having the intelligence to go back and try to dive in deep dive. Why is this happening? Even when science says it isn't supposed to happen, when physics says, Teflon can't bend steel that way, and then you find out that, ⁓ actually it can. And yeah, that would be a prime example I would ⁓ use. are 1,001 examples on testing and failure throughout career, but that would be the one I would bring up there.

Tiera Fletcher: That's a really good one. Yeah, and I think that what the critical component like that, I mean, think about innovating when it comes to those pressure moments. Like there's so much pressure in order to get it right, so much responsibility just enhanced after a failure happens. Well, how can you still innovate in those moments? And I think that was a really good example to talk about what that looks like and how to navigate it. And then also iterations. You really gave an example of iterations that take place in order to get to the more optimal design. innovations, they eventually lead to breakthroughs. Even structural analysis engineering, that's a part of the gig. You literally try and analyze something, run different simulations, and two, the part actually breaks. That's where you want to get to. So you look at different failure modes and you look at, what is sustainable the mission or for that particular journey that the product will have to navigate? And it goes down to just a little bracket or just a little wire in order figure out ⁓ what sort forces can they withstand and at what point is that breaking point? And then you eventually to a breakthrough and where you reach the exact structural safety factor that you want to get to in order to say that, okay, this one is, it has the structural integrity in order to proceed to the final design. So there's so many different examples in engineering. And really, I would say adjacent fields that accommodate engineering, that detail what it means to innovate, innovate at the detail level in order to build up to what could be large and complex and this big breakthrough. And it starts small and it's, collaboration, but together and then with those different building blocks, a huge technological breakthrough that can take place. So some questions that come up are what role does curiosity play in innovation? And I would say that from my perspective, curiosity, plays the spark. It is the spark that that engine, that ignites whole rocket in order to take off into wherever the destination And then I also think about how do teams create space for ideas to grow? They create space by not taking up too much space, right? You gotta make space before you take space. think that when you're collaborating in a team, it's so easy to think that, well, you know, whatever I'm saying is correct they can just listen. But that's just not the case. When it comes to a team environment, you have to make space for others to be able to contribute their ideas because ultimately you have one person who is skilled in one effect. You have another person who is going to one effect and what that looks like in an engineering environment. is that you have quality engineers that are specialized in quality. You have structural design engineers that are specialized in structural design. And you get the point. Test engineers, liaison engineers, mechanical engineers, manufacturing engineers, all of those different specialties, they have a unique skill set that contributes to the overall design cycle for that product. And they come together in order to build that product, make it come to life. test it, improve it, and ultimately watching it to the final stage, whether that is liftoff or takeoff. But ultimately, innovation often grows out of environments where questions are welcomed, not ignored. So let's talk about faith in the mix of all of this, just how faith and creativity are connected. Faith and innovation, they actually share something very important. They both require seeing beyond what currently exists. I talked about the Wright brothers. I talked about, just say, Wanda Von Braun and the whole Whackerdree days of when it was first becoming a thing. Faith when are seeing something beyond what is right in front of you.

Myron Fletcher: I mean, the key to faith is faith is the substance of things, know, hope for and the evidence of things not seen, right? I mean, that's biblical. And so, you know, when, you know, people ask me, what do engineers do? I normally would tell them engineers solve problems that we don't even know exist yet. And they're like, what? What it even make sense? I'm like, exactly. Faith engineers, solve problems that we don't even know exist yet. But no, really though, when design something new,

Tiera Fletcher: I mean, it's a sign.

Myron Fletcher: What we're doing is we're imagining a future that hasn't actually happened yet. And so, you know, a lot of times, you know, I remember as a kid, especially in aerospace, and I say the kid, I like it was so long ago when I was in my undergrad, but I was thinking about these autonomous vehicles that were going to be taxis one day. when talked about it, people were like, man, like that's far fetched. Like, dude, like what? You're going to have ⁓ autonomous pick people up and fly them to their destinations. And I was like, not only people, I mean, was like packages, like mail, like why would you ever have a mail person drive to your house? And now when I close my eyes and I wake up, I see these Amazon deliveries that are dropping packages off in the backyard. And I see, you know, they're doing test flights, Wisk Aerospace right now are doing test flights, you know, to prepare for autonomous vehicles to come in taxis. And when I look at this, that was only 15ish years ago. when I began to have those conversations. So I was already thinking, I was thinking about a future that hadn't existed, but I knew that if we could prove it out the systems and create the products, that people would definitely do it. And right now people might still be hesitant, I'm not good on an autonomous vehicle, but there are people who are driving autonomous vehicles every single day and not, maybe not a hundred percent autonomous. But I love watching the YouTube videos of the Waymo people, like the husband tricking a wife, like, hey, we got a taxi. And she's like, where's the driver at? And like, there is no driver, babe. Come on, get in. It's like, what you mean? It's a car going to drive me without a driver. That don't make any sense. But that's where we are. That's all engineering. Engineers were creating these autonomous platforms years ago for a future that hadn't happened. But now the future is here. And it's like, oh my goodness, like I could only imagine those engineers talking about like, oh my goodness, that's what we talked about. I think about the internet. think about right now we're able to record and talk to you all through, through podcasts and through YouTube videos and through LinkedIn channels and through X, Y, and Z. We're able to have these communications. I can imagine the communication experts in the past who were thinking about, Hey, how can we create a future to where we could talk to ourselves and be able to see ourselves again? before videos existed, before internet existed, right? And so they're engineers, we're literally solving problems that do not exist. But like I talked about, of, know, hidden high level, some of the examples that I can think of beyond those are developing new aerospace systems, i.e. you know, unmanned aerial vehicle, they're called UAVs. Another one that you may not hear about right now, I may not know about right now, but they're called blended wing bodies. These are my senior design capstone project. Me and my team designed a blended wing vehicle. And what it is is you get rid of the whole fuselage as you know it today. And the whole airplane is technically a wing. And so now the dynamics the physics and the how many people you could put on this plane increased tenfold. And the ability to the what the customer can do is the airlines can do with these blended wing bodies. is absolutely phenomenal. And that, like I say, back then that was just, hey, we're a single capstone project. But now there are companies like American and United that designs where they're like asking, boy, they're asking Airbus, hey, can you guys create these blended wing bodies so that we can actually increase our passenger capacity by threefold? Because we to have more passengers and less planes, means less pilots. Right now, that's as short as a pilot. So like I say, there's little things. that I wasn't really thinking about that was going to be a big thing. But now when I look at it, like, man, like all those little things are now adding up to be these magnificent aerospace products. one is planning missions years and decades ahead. I about Artemis. mean, Artemis has been in the making for at least the last 15 to 20 years. But now everybody gets to see it in a few weeks to getting ready to launch humans around the moon. that's coming up and I'm super excited about it. But that mission has been planned for at least 15, 20 years. That's not something that just happened over the last five, six years. And it's like, hey, are we going to send humans to the moon? X, Y, no, it's been in works, it's been in plan. I think about as an intern, when I worked on solar cell trajectories, and that's not C-E-L-L, it's S-A-I-L. These are vehicles that use light for propulsion. I remember I was working on trajectories. And the trajectories, you know, they were 10, 15 years missions, these solar cells, or they last 10 to 15 years. was planning these solar cells 10 to 15 years before they would actually go into the actual missions, which was, it was mind boggling to me to be, they were that far in advance. I didn't know that until I actually got in the industry. Like, man, like I thought you guys had built it and you just kind of went out there and did it. The Hubble telescope. ⁓ my goodness. That thing was, works for 30 years before it actually got launched, right? And so are so many things that, know, planning these missions that are, they're decades ahead of time before actually come to pass. And then creating solutions for problems that don't yet exist. ⁓ I that is the key for what engineers we do. We create solutions for problems that don't yet have answers. And that's tough thing to do, but I'm always reminded as I do a fave tie in here, to Genesis 1.1. first, you people always say, Mara, you read the Bible super slow. Yes, I read it slow because in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. God is the ultimate creator. And the key here is humans are created in God's image. So if God is the ultimate creator, then that means he's been placed within us to be creators. We are in, people always say, Mara, why are you always pushing people? to want to be an engineer and to want to be a designer and to want to do X, Y, and Z. I push people into positions that look like God. And people may not recognize that, but that is the key because we are created in this image. We are created to create. We are created to design. We are created to build. reflects that design. That's literally what creativity is doing. It's reflecting the design that God has already placed within us. And so when people... We are created to create. We are created to design. We are created to build. Creativity reflects that design. That's literally what creativity is doing. It's reflecting the design that God has already placed within us. come around me, young engineers and schoolers around me and Tiara, I was like, man, I'm so inspired to want to do more and I want to do this and that. It's been there. You were created in the ultimate creator's image. So you already had it within you. And then another thing is, innovation could be an expression of stewardship. I think that is the key. Everything we do at Rocket with the Fletchers, everything we innovate is an expression of our stewardship for what God has already placed within us. And so things are kind of examples I can pull on how faith, faith creativity are connected. And then, T.R., what happens when faith encourages us to think ⁓ bigger?

Tiera Fletcher: When we hear that push from God, when we hear that voice that's telling us, you know what, what you're doing right now is not enough or what you're thinking about doing, you need to think about that more. I know that it seems so big, but remember with God, all things are possible, right? what happens when faith encourages us to think bigger and we accept it is that we're able to do something bigger and more impactful. we're able to go from creating those bottle rackets into creating real rackets. able to take a big leap into working on something that we may not physically be able to touch yet, but the vision that's been placed in our minds, that's our blueprint that we just have to execute on. So having the faith that, you know, that vision that I have, that I'm seeing that blueprint, that idea, that business idea. It can come to light and it can be made possible. Right? So being able to accept that is when great things happen.

Myron Fletcher: Absolutely, absolutely. when faith encourages you to think bigger, it you to stretch yourself beyond what you think you can do, beyond what you feel you can do or what you know. It stretches you, but a lot of times it puts you in the crosshairs of this thing called fear. Because whenever you're stretched, whenever you're pulled, there's always this thing where you have to overcome fear of new ideas. ⁓ And the key is here is innovation requires risk. And so when you're overcoming the fear of these new ideas, you have to understand that when innovation comes around, when this curiosity comes around, it's going to require risk. Tierra, can you kind of give us a little more there those fresh ideas?

Tiera Fletcher: Yeah, and you you brought up a really good word there, risk. You know, you always hear the phrase, with risk comes greater reward. We typically think about that from more of the monetary end with investments. You're thinking, well, if ⁓ I invest, know, like five digits into this particular company, then you know it's a great risk that you know I'm not going to get that money back but it could also be a great reward if that were to double triple down the line right we think about it from a monetary standpoint quite a bit but I I don't think that we think about it from a point of opportunity as much as we do for physical money it's the same sort of ordeal for an let's just say that You have this great product idea, right? You're not an inventor, but for this product, you know that it could be really but it's going to require a good amount of investment, not just monetary, but time, energy, passion, emotion, all of those different elements that we really think about from an opportunity cost but that's truly what it is, right? There's so many different resources that you're pouring out. that makes it risky because you may not be able to get that time back. We've talked about how time is very finite and once you spend it, that's it. You know, just wait until the next few minutes that are coming up. But there's a lot of risk, but there can also just be a lot of reward that comes out of that. I think an example for me would be even going back to, you know, applying. Applying to colleges, applying to different jobs. There's a lot of effort that you're putting into doing that. I'm thinking about applying into MIT. I put a lot of effort into my application. put a lot of time. I a lot of emotion. I put a lot of my self-doubt into paper saying, ⁓ I can't do it, but I'm just going to try to overcome it along the way. I put all of this into that application. And the risk was truly just a big no and probably a big deflation of my confidence, but then the reward would be a yes a career change, a life changing opportunity to go into the university that I really wanted to go to. Ultimately, ended being a reward, right? There was some that I had to make, not go into certain or activities in order to complete that application, but ultimately great reward. So, New ideas can feel uncomfortable because they challenge what's familiar. think that a lot of other listeners here could be in a career pivot mode. I think that we have all entered that. once you hit the thirties, you start to about, well, you know, like, do I want to pivot, For this next decade in life. And it can feel so uncomfortable when you are so used to a certain operating rhythm, a certain skillset, a certain way of executing, a certain work life that you've already built from that standpoint. And when you see an opportunity come your way, it can look so attractive, but then there's discomfort that creeps up because it is ⁓ It challenging because it's not that same cushy comfort that you've had with what you already know. so, engineering can feel a little unfamiliar if they initially seem impossible. Myr, you some really good examples in terms of UAVs, Unmanned area autonomous ⁓ just on the ground Waymo and all of these different crafts that are coming out. that really challenge what it means to in transportation environment as a human. We're going from having pilots, from having drivers, into having vehicles that can be controlled robotically. That's a new concept for I would the engineers have been thinking about it for a really long time, but it has been deployed recently from a more popular level. So those concepts, they seemed initially impossible, but they're happening. Early skepticism toward new approaches. the phrase, if it's not broke, don't fix it. And there's a lot of mentalities that tend to align with that. I would say that even looking at different for, I just to bring up probably just some different aerospace vehicles that I've worked on. Looking at different design approaches that I did for an unmanned aerial vehicle, senior at MIT, there is just the standard in terms of what you would expect for an aircraft. But I to just challenge looking at just different approaches just to kind of have fun with it, to see ⁓ different fuselage would be optimal, or to see what different wing sizes and shapes would be optimal. So I had a variety of new approaches because I was actually serving as the structural analysis lead. I wanted to try out these different designs and I had the responsibility to test them to see if they're structural from integrity standpoint. I couldn't complete the mission that we were on assignment for, but there was some early skepticism that I had navigate because I had members of the same project that wasn't really in alignment with spending time on that or trying new approaches and just wanted to do what was familiar. run into that and that's a standard probably across industries. But are moments when persistence leads to ⁓ breakthroughs. moments, I think about the different research that I did for ⁓ the at MIT. I'm looking at thermal regulation. different layers of the biosuit. So having to look at materials in a vacuum chamber. I just seeing those results were out and how it was actually telling me that, ⁓ wow, this can actually be a thing. We can actually have biosuit that's a tenth of the thickness of the standard space suit that you see for external vehicle activities or EVAs and still be able to safe, like keep our human body safe. those were those persistent long nights in the lab ⁓ order to get to that point. And then learning through testing or revision, Myron, you touched on that very well. But examples that you provided, there's tests can lead to failures and you have to test again with improvements in order to get to a successful state and to accept a revision. And that's okay. So why do people sometimes resist new ideas. Failure, can be a cause failure, it could be a confidence failure. We touched on all those different examples. There's so many different reasons of what cause someone to resist pursuing a new idea. But what helps innovators stay confident when others doubt them? That's a really good question. I would say that Belief. Belief. So of course we talk about buy-in, right? When you're trying to get others to buy into your idea. But how about getting yourself to buy into your own idea first in order to get that confidence level and not be pushed to move in a different direction based off of one comment or one question that kind of rubbed you the wrong way. think that building confidence in yourself and your idea is what has to happen first. And that will equip you with that armor to be able to navigate the naysayers. Because the naysayers are going to be present. It's very rare that they are not. making sure that you have everything that you need in order to keep pressing, that's what you can do. So innovation, it isn't about never It's about learning quickly and keep

Myron Fletcher: Yeah, absolutely. You asked the question, what helps innovators stay confident when others them? And key there is faith. People in the science community say, I don't have faith. That's a religion thing, X, Z. Faith. Faith is what? It's the faith. Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen. And so with that being said is, ⁓ when people are when everybody else is doubting them, they have faith. They have faith in what they believe what they're doing is the right thing. it's going to be for purpose that they believe will do X, Y, and Z. But faith is the key for why people are able to stay confident when everybody else is endowing them. then innovation doesn't just belong to engineers. And we're giving it to you from our perspective because we are engineers. Like I tell you all the time, they Like, what do you guys do for a living? And I say, well, by trade, we're rocket scientists. But we do X, Y, and Z. And they're like, wait, what? Like, I don't believe it. That doesn't make sense. I'm like, I know. I know. And so our perspectives that we're giving you are from an engineering perspective. But the key here is it doesn't belong to only engineers. So Tierra, can you give us some practical takeaways for this episode?

Tiera Fletcher: That's right. Yeah, you're absolutely right. shows up, innovation shows up in classrooms and businesses and families and communities all sorts of different spaces. So three takeaways that I have for you. Number one, curiosity is the starting point. It's the spark. Ask and explore possibilities. Number two, creativity grows through persistence. Ideas improve through practice and iteration. It's not always going to be that first cycle Sometimes it's going to be 10 50 100 cycles that creativity actually and then number three Faith can fuel courage, right? So believing in a bigger purpose helps people try new things so challenge for you Identify one idea you've been hesitant to pursue. Take one small step toward developing it. Whatever it is, it can be something that you thought about briefly when you just brushed it off saying, no, I couldn't do that, or that's just not possible. It can be something that you've been sitting on for years. that step and identify the idea and take whatever one small step it is to developing it. It could be writing it down and making it plain. It could be researching it for five minutes, whatever it is, take that step. I'm going to transition to our faith anchor. A that speaks to creativity and growth. And I believe that we spoke on this one before, but it is still just relevant. So Colossians chapter three, verse 23, work willingly whatever you do as though you were working for the Lord rather than for people. I had a really good conversation with one of my mentees on this very scripture because it can be so easy to get caught into the day to day. And you may sometimes just forget to make that space to innovate, right? To do something beyond what your standard is right now, to try something new. But your encouragement is that if you work willingly at whatever you do, make sure that you are doing it for the Lord rather than for people. And that is where you will find your encouragement to press on.

Myron Fletcher: Absolutely. Colossus 323 hits the nail on the head for what we're pushing for in this episode. it's whatever you do, work at it with excellence. That's the key. Whatever you do, whatever you do, work at it with excellence. innovation becomes meaningful when it's rooted in purpose and service. And so like I said, we're talking from the engineer's perspective, but take everything we're saying and apply it to whatever field you're in and understand that innovation becomes meaningful when it's rooted in purpose and service. as we wrap up this episode, if this episode inspired you, follow and subscribe, give this a thumbs up, put ⁓ in the chat. We want to know, we want to hear from you guys. Are you encouraged? Is it uplifting you? Is it pushing you in the right direction? Is it what you needed to go through the week? And then, Tiara, I'll it over to you.

Tiera Fletcher: And share with someone who has an idea they've been thinking about pursuing, right? you've been talking to me about this idea and they need to hear a different voice share with them. Next we're gonna be talking about love languages in a rocket household. ⁓ Understanding people give and receive love in busy seasons. Our seasons continue to be busy. So I'm looking forward to that episode. And Myra, before we close out, Could you please just give us a moment of prayer?

Myron Fletcher: Absolutely, absolutely. So bow your head to close your eyes. Heavenly Father, we come to you today, Father God. First of all, we just thank you for another opportunity to come to the throne of grace boldly, Father God. We thank you for the words that were spoken in this episode, Father God. We pray that somebody was encouraged, somebody was motivated, somebody was uplifted, somebody's going to pursue that idea, somebody's going to press forward into the innovation, somebody's going to let the curiosity spark, somebody's going to walk with more faith. Somebody's gonna walk with more encouragement. Somebody's gonna walk with more plans, whatever it may be, Father God. We pray they were encouraged by the words of this episode. We pray they have the innovative mind now to go out and go innovate, though they're not engineers, Father God. And we pray for those who are engineers, they continue to innovate. in any shape, form, or fashion that you've given them the ability to do so, Father God. But above all, Father God, we just thank you for the ultimate sacrifice of Jesus Christ. And we pray that our listeners come to know us through our faith, love, and rockets, but also come to know you, Father God, through your word and through what you've been able to do through us, around us, and to us, Father God. We love you. We trust you. We believe you. And we ask you all these things in the mighty name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

Tiera Fletcher: Amen. Thank you so much for that Myron. And innovation begins with curiosity and courage turns ideas into reality. Rock with the Fletchers. Until next time.