Jacob Creighton: Hey everybody, it is the last episode of the Romans Eight series. to podcast. Chris, you've got your NAM mug, which you can Chris: I got my Nam mug and my reliant shirt on. So Jacob Creighton: You got Kogo's finest in there. Chris: I got some nice, delicious, finely roasted cured coffee. Jacob Creighton: We had a mission team in this week and one of the guys from the mission team came into the office with a box of twenty K cups and he's like, we had these, here you go and he handed up to me and I was like, Man, thank you. I am so Chris: Yeah. Jacob Creighton: glad. Thank you. Chris: Jacob, what did you what did you compare cured cured pods to? Jacob Creighton: Dude, it's it's kinda like dirt, honestly. Chris: Delicious. It's delicious. That's the that's what we went in the comments. Jacob Creighton: I used to I used to Keurig and then I became more of a snob. I listen, I like a good cup of just strong coffee Chris: Mm, maybe yeah. Jacob Creighton: with with some cream. I'm a little bit soft in that regard, but Chris: Yeah. Jacob Creighton: you know, I can I can I can dabble in the in the garbage too. I'm not a total snob. I know it's garbage, but it's like, dude, Chris: man. Wow. It's it's good. It's it's Jacob Creighton: I like I can I can go through the drive through a McDonald's too. I'm fine with that. Chris: Ha ha There it is. You heard it here, ladies and gentlemen. Jacob Creighton: You need it. You need it. It's quick. It's easy. You can do it. I do not have a Keurig in my house, though. So Chris: I don't know how to do without it. Jacob Creighton: yep. All right. Let's get to it. last episode of Romans eight. yeah. So good, good stuff. we're in verses thirty-five through thirty-nine wrapping things up. Let's Chris: Yeah. Jacob Creighton: go ahead and read it. I'm gonna read it. To kick us off and we'll jump right in. so this is Romans 8, verse 35. Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation or distress or persecution or famine or nakedness or peril or sword? Just as it is written, For your sake, we are being put to death all day long. We were considered as sheep to be slaughtered. But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through him who loved us, for I am convinced that neither death nor life nor angels nor principalities nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any created thing will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Amen. Chris: Amen. Jacob Creighton: Thank you, Paul, for that. Chris: Yeah. What a good one. Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Yep, what's jumping off the page to you as you read it this morning? Chris: Huh. I I think what's been hitting me recently is that is that reference to Psalm 44. And so Paul says, For your sake, Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Chris: we are being put to death all day long. We are considered as sheep to be slaughtered. And that is a direct quote from Psalm 44, verse 22. And you know, I think it's it's Paul's using a a type of of interpretive what am i looking for interpretive process that rabbis would use a method sorry interpretive method thank you i couldn't think of it that rabbis would use so instead of reading a whole passage they would say like one one verse and then the listener would be able to know the whole context and that's what that's essentially what jesus did on the cross when he was when he was reciting several of the psalms my God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Jacob Creighton: Mm. Yeah, right. Right. Chris: I I I don't think it was as if God had forsaken him. I think it was he was drawing their attention to the psalm. and so, but this psalm was a was a well-known psalm for the the people of Israel because the in their history they were not faithful a lot. But God was still Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Chris: their God. And at times they would be punished for their lack of faithfulness. There were consequences for that. But there were times that they were faithful. But just because they were faithful didn't always mean it was unicorns and rainbows and Jacob Creighton: Mm-hmm. Chris: frolic into the daisies. And in this case, Psalm 44 is that instance where they are being faithful, but yet they are still being defeated. And that's why it's like it, it, it holds that. Tension there for us. For your Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Chris: sake, we are being put to death all day long. We are considered as sheep to be slaughtered. And just I think the heaviness of that verse, you know, I I have I've spent a lot of time in Romans eight in in my probably in the last 15 years. And Man, you you can just fly through things and I'm not separated. I'm not condemned. I'm not Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Chris: and then here we just we feel that tension. Paul just kind of pulls it of I am being faithful, yet I am still dealing with tribulation and distress Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Chris: and peril and nakedness and famine and sword. And it's just like. Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Chris: So that that's what kind of gets me in this. Jacob Creighton: I think what's getting me reading this is the first question. who shall separate us from the love of Christ? And certainly as he lists those things after the the word that's sticking out is the the love of Christ, I think Yeah, as you you list out all those things that you could experience, the hardships, the whatever the Yeah, the heart of Jesus for me is Chris: Yeah. Jacob Creighton: inseparable. Chris: Yeah. Jacob Creighton: His his love is inseparable. I think is the thing that's that's sticking out to me, not his like Yeah, you could list any other Paul could list probably any other attribute of God there and it probably works, but just his like his heart and look of admiration even like Chris: Yeah. Well, and you also look too, this is another one of those things that if if you want to start spiraling in a good direction, you start focusing on the love of God. Jacob Creighton: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Chris: first John tells us that God is love. His chief attribute is love. Love keeps his justice in check. Love, it, it, it balances. It's this out. Pouring. It's what drives the need of grace and the beauty of grace, but then also the work of mercy. If you want to go down a rabbit trail that is a beautiful ride, go down the one that talks about the love of Christ or the love of God. It good luck, man. Call me on the way because I I want to I want to scrape some off the top. Jacob Creighton: Yeah, this is good. This is like a sidebar, but this is my thoughts as a worship leader. The the songs that seem most under attack in Christian circles that get put out there oftentimes feel like they're songs about the love of God for us. Chris: Yeah. Yeah. Jacob Creighton: Which is it's just interesting to process that. There's probably you could give a list of of them but yeah just interesting to to pull that thread of I think I think why that is, we don't again we don't have to it's cause it's hard to accept for the probably the legalist, you know? It's like man, the love of God for me, hard to accept because I gotta Chris: yeah. Yeah. Jacob Creighton: it's about me getting the right things right and getting back to God rather than his state and his love for me and all that I experience. So Chris: Well, love isn't just it, the love that we experience so often is very transactional. And so I think at times it and and because the transactional piece makes it controllable. Jacob Creighton: Mm-hmm. Chris: But that's what I'm saying. go down the rabbit hole of this because can you control God's love for you? I mean, you go back a Jacob Creighton: Yeah. No. In fact you actually try to, you try to push back against it actually and it doesn't work. Chris: Yeah, absolutely. Well, and you you you go back a couple, podcasts ago, a couple of sermons ago, and and we're talking about the foreknowledge of God, the predestination of Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Chris: God, in all of eternity, and then then fast forward into the glorification that God Jacob Creighton: Mm-hmm. Chris: is bringing. you look at those things and so you're you're going from here is this God that we a lot of times have that conception of Zeus sitting in the clouds with a lightning bolt that's just ready to strike us down. But when you start to unpack it and you realize, holy moly, this this God's love goes from the beginning of eternity. So tell me where that is. Okay, good luck. All Jacob Creighton: Mm-hmm. Yeah, you dump me. Mm-hmm. Chris: the way to the end of eternity, the other side. The spectrum is consistently driven by his foreknowledge, his predestination, Jacob Creighton: Mm-hmm. Chris: it his justification, his glorification, his called, the us being called. We're called because he loves us. We're foreknown because he loves us. And it's just it's mind blowing. And Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Chris: then so you think if God, if we are on God's mind in his heart, Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Chris: he loves us from the beginning of eternity to the end of eternity, what can separate us from his love? Jacob Creighton: Exactly. Exactly. Man. We could probably just keep going on and on and on about that. I do yeah, go ahead. Chris: Yeah. Well, it also too, I'm I'm gonna interrupt you real quick. Just I'm sorry, because it's it's the Jacob Creighton: No. Chris: same thing because I think it's important because it's it's like, will tribulation separate you? No. So that means Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Chris: that tribulation does is not there because God hates us, because God doesn't love us. will distress Jacob Creighton: That's good. Yeah. Yeah. Chris: or you are not being persecuted because God doesn't love you. There he He still loves you in the midst of this. All this is consequence of sin. Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Chris: It is, it is not because God loves you any less. Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Yeah. Chris: and none of it can separate you. None of none of it can place a wedge into into, you know, between you and God's love for you. That's what Satan wants to make you think. Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Chris: You know, that's what we talked about in the last podcast. I mean, he wants to pull those strings. If you'll believe that lie, he'll keep polling. Jacob Creighton: Yeah, I like how you started out too. You you said that, for the Christian what we can expect actually is hardship. We can expect hardship and you drew from that that quote from Psalm forty four, but yeah, we can we can expect hardship because Jesus also endured persecution and suffering and betrayal and this did not mean God's love was separate from him. you know. Chris: Yeah. Yeah. Jacob Creighton: So Chris: Yeah. And I think well Jacob Creighton: Yeah, anything you had from that, yeah, go ahead. Chris: we just want to we want to teleport out of the hard stuff. And and I think that's, we we don't you, we we want to do that. Yeah, Jacob Creighton: Yeah, for sure. For sure. For sure. That's a good way of putting it. Chris: it we want to do that in regards to our health. Jacob Creighton: Mm-hmm. Chris: Or, you know, I I want I want the glory at the end of the race. So just drive me to the end. it's like, well that doesn't Jacob Creighton: Yeah, yeah. Chris: it that that is not how it works. And so, Jacob Creighton: Mm mm. No. Chris: you're you're willing to accept that hardship to get from the start line to the finish line and accept the glory. Jacob Creighton: Yeah, you want the microwave meal and then you eat it and you realize it doesn't taste as good as the Chris: Mm-hmm. Jacob Creighton: The meal that went through the most preparation. I don't know about that, Chris. That's your cured Chris: I don't know that microwave mac and cheese pretty good, Jacob. Throw it out. Jacob Creighton: coffee. Current coffee doesn't taste as good. Chris: It it it's a reminder, it's a daily reminder of the tribulations Jacob Creighton: Ha ha Chris: that we experience here on earth. Make may Jacob Creighton: You're trying to surpass the hardships, Chris. Chris: God be glorified. Jacob Creighton: That's right. Easier to put some dirt in a little plastic Chris: Yeah. Jacob Creighton: pod and run it through some hot water. Got him. Got him. All right. Hey, but it tastes better. Chris: Well, and I think some of this is why Paul drives again. I love it. I love it. I got it. I don't want to do a French press. Okay, that takes too long. I don't want the grid. I don't want the grid in it. I don't want the grid in it. but I think that's why Paul brings up Psalm 44 here. He he wants to pull that tension. It's and it's it if you look at it too, as followers of Jesus, nothing can separate us from the love of our God. So like we have this eternal promise from all eternity. Nothing can separate us from us. So we as followers of Jesus should attack tribulation and famine and nakedness, apparel, and sword. We should attack all these things almost in a way that is just beyond anything that that that mankind that the humankind can understand. Not that we ignore it, not that we don't acknowledge it, but the way that we we function through it is. Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Chris: sets this tone of wait, what is going on here? In the midst of you having a crappy circumstance, you're still glorifying Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Chris: God. You're still, you still have this joy that's oozing out of you. And I mean, I'll set a I don't know when this is going to get released, but you know, your sermon on Sunday, I think, with you hitting Acts 16 is kind of showing that. Jacob Creighton: Right. Yeah. Yeah. Chris: With what Paul and Silas deal with, they get beaten and flogged and then. What are they doing? But they're praying and worshiping in Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Chris: a jail cell with their wounds. Their wounds are probably oozing. They're Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Chris: in immense pain. And here they are worshiping praying. Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's like incomprehensible to the this is I guess the mind not set on Christ that there's something deeper greater than just the present sufferings that we deal with that there's something that can actually drive us through those hard experiences where it's not just despair and woe is me and I'm all alone and This is the encouragement that no, you're not. This is as we said before, this is light and momentary in terms of Chris: Yeah. Jacob Creighton: what you've got ahead of you. and there's a mountain of what's already true about God's faithfulness from past experiences. You've got like a huge mountain of yeah, God's faithfulness. Here you are in the valley of suffering. There's like Chris: Yeah. Yeah. Jacob Creighton: promises sure on the other side of things, here's where you're at. what both of these things can do is is drive how you respond even in the moment. I think that's that's what it is. Chris: Mm-hmm. Well, look at the next verse. I mean, look at verse, what is it, 37? But in all these things, we overwhelmingly conquer. We are super conquerors. Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Yeah. Chris: Now, if we stop there, it's like, well, I did it. I did it. It was me. Look what I did. Jacob Creighton: No. Mm mm. Chris: But it's through him who conquered. It's through him who loved us. And I think that's the the I used in the in the sermon that the illustration about us, us as Steeler fans, like Jacob. How many Super Bowl champions? How many Super Bowl championships do you have? You have six. You got well it in your lifetime, you got two. Jacob Creighton: I got two. In my lifetime I got two, but yeah, we got six. Yeah. Chris: But you join the you join the fray of the six-time Jacob Creighton: That's right. Chris: Super Bowl champs. Here we go. Steelers, here we go. Jacob Creighton: Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Man, I got to see the six trophies like a year ago in the Chris: Uh-huh. Jacob Creighton: practice facility trophy case. I felt like it I mean, I'm like, yeah, this is like my closet. This is this is me. Yeah. It's my they're Chris: This is dead. It's yours. They're yours. Jacob Creighton: mine. Chris: Yeah. You didn't win one freaking Super Bowl, Jacob. You did nothing. You did nothing. Jacob Creighton: I know. Yeah. Chris: But you you attach yourself to those victories. Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Chris: The whole city of Pittsburgh attaches themselves to those victories. Same with the pins, same with the Bucks. Jacob Creighton: Yep. I for sure have not personally experienced the Pirates World Series, but I will attach myself to the 1960 home run ball that Bill Masurovski hit. I walked past that wall. Chris: Exactly. I go by that wall when I drive through Oakland. Jacob Creighton: I did it a couple months ago. I walked by that wall. I took pictures of it. Chris: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Jacob Creighton: I read the placard. I gave Chris: Exactly. Jacob Creighton: my ode to Bill Masurovsky. Yeah. Chris: Amen. Let's go. And I think that's the thing. That's what we're invited into. Like, that's what Christ is saying for us to do. He's like, I did the victory. It's yours. Take it. Stretch it out. Enjoy it. Live it up. Let's celebrate. You know, that's you know, I say it sometimes when we do communion. It's like, man, break this bread. Like, let's take it and eat it and do it in remembrance of him. Let's lift up this little great. Juice cup and because people are going to be celebrating six points or a goal or a home run, and they're going to lift the glass for that. Let us celebrate the victory of Christ that we're invited into. We are overwhelmingly conquering. And I think sometimes we forget that because we do. We we get lost in the forest. We don't see or we get lost in the trees. We don't see the forest, but we look to the eternal, to the to the promised glory to come. Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I kinda wanna jump straight to what your last point was because I feel like that's gonna help us just get to a very applicable point. Chris: Mm-hmm. Jacob Creighton: your point was become convinced. Become convinced that nothing can separate you from the love of Christ. Chris: Yeah. Yeah. Jacob Creighton: how do we how do we become convinced? Chris: that's something that I I have I've been sitting in. it how do I in the moment, how am I right now at whatever time, it's almost eleven o'clock in the morning, at 11 o'clock, how am I convinced? How am I convinced that neither death nor life nor angels nor principalities are things Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Chris: present or things that come nor height or death or any other created thing can separate me from the love of my God through Jesus Christ my Lord? And and I think a lot of that has to do with it goes back to what we talked about in the last podcast where we we almost have this practiced response to these lies. We Jacob Creighton: Right. Mm-hmm. Chris: we ask God for discernment. And so in the moment, I I I'm discerning, that's a lie. That that I can't be, I there is no charge against me. God is the one that justifies. Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Chris: I can't be condemned. Jesus Christ died, he's now raised, he's seated at the right hand of the Father. I think that's one way. I think the other Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Chris: way is. Personally, go back, look back into your life. When are the times in your life where you probably should be dead? When are the times in your life that you did not deserve what you received? Or you you know you should have received a negative something and you did not get that. That was withheld from you. Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Chris: And I think sometimes we have to take time to look back and reflect in our own lives. But I also think number three, I think we've got to also do that in the lives of others. I think that's part of what the purpose of scripture is, is it's demonstrating to us God's character through time, through their time space, continuum, through various certain people. you know, we we can see God's faithfulness to Abraham, to Moses, to to Joseph, to David, in Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Chris: in the midst of even crappy circumstances, God's faithfulness to Saul, King Saul, who was an absolute Jacob Creighton: Mm-hmm. Chris: train wreck, into Solomon, who Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Chris: started out strong and ended as a disaster. Like we can see God's faithfulness. We can see God's faithfulness into the New Testament, Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Chris: into the work of Paul, the work of Peter, the apostles, you know, God's Jacob Creighton: Mm-hmm. Chris: faithfulness there and I think we can we can actually listen to the stories of others that are close to us that follow Jesus. Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Chris: And I think when you start to accumulate that, it it's really hard to not become convinced that we serve an all-powerful, all-knowing eternal God who loves us. Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, be convinced on the truth that is there. not the it's not a hypothetical, not a Not just a good argument, not Chris: Yeah. Jacob Creighton: wishful thinking. Be convinced that the truth that there is nothing that can separate you from the love of God. The love of the love of Christ. yeah, let that be the baseline and at deep roots within you. yeah. Man, that's good. Chris: Well also let it change. what what will that change if if Jacob Creighton: man, yeah. Chris: you if you are in fact convinced Jacob Creighton: Mm. Chris: What does that change about your response at eleven three to something? Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Right. Hm. Yeah, think about the things that you're convinced of that are not not even this. You know, I'm convinced Ben Rathasberg is the best quarterback of all time. Chris: Mm. Amen. Jacob Creighton: That's not even a true statement. That's just how I'm feeling about I'll fight people on it. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. We're not we're not talking later, but I'm I'm not actually Chris: I was about to say I was like, we gotta talk later, Jacob. You haven't seen Duck Hodges play? You haven't seen Duck. Jacob Creighton: I'm not actually serious about that. I'm not actually serious about that. But I will jokingly fight people on that. But Chris: Yeah. Do you ever compare Ben to Kenny Pickett? Just curious. I'm just joking. Don't answer that. Don't Jacob Creighton: Yeah, seriously. Seriously. Chris: answer that. Jacob Creighton: Seriously. no, but but the things that we can easily be convinced of that we try to sell other people that might be true, might even just be s the the thing that we're on right now. but yeah, what if the what if the core of what we're convinced of is that Christ's love, you know, goes deep within us. It won't be won't be separable for us. what would we what would we do to convince other people of the same thing? What would we Yeah, what yeah. Exactly. Chris: Exactly. Well, what do you what do you also not do? I mean, I I think you at some point in time you were convinced that Taylor was gonna be your wife. Jacob Creighton: Mm-hmm. Chris: And because you are convinced of that, you you have forsaken all others. there are no other options out there. Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Right. Chris: it's not even it's it's not a chance. And so now they're like that's that's changed. The way that you you spend your time changes because you want to dedicate your time to tailor. You the way you spend your money changes. it it, your your resource usage changes. Your Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Chris: location changed, it's like you didn't just move up here by yourself, you and Taylor moved up here together. so whenever we become convinced of something, if you like to go to the gym and you're convinced that going to the gym matters, it you you have no problem spending that money. Jacob Creighton: Yeah, you're not gonna yeah, you s you spend the month. Yeah. Exactly. Mm-hmm. Chris: you you carve out time to go. You may go to a personal train, you know, like you're gonna do things that are different than what you did. You might you're like, I'm going to the gym, but I also need to change my eating habits. There's peripheral things that need to change. And when we're convinced of something, man, it changes stuff. Jacob Creighton: Mm-hmm. Yep. Yeah, the the upward cycle of that again is like when you're convinced. Okay, so now you take that back up. When you experience hardships, when you experience the list of things he's listed listed out, and you're convinced that nothing's separating you from the love of Christ, and you act differently in those circumstances than if not. and in the the good things, you know, you when you experience that's maybe the other side that he doesn't say in Romans eight, well maybe it's in there in the the height or depth. But man, when you experience things that are great and you feel like you're on the mountaintop like okay, you know, you're there's still nothing separating you from the love of Christ here. Chris: Exactly. Jacob Creighton: So Chris: Exactly. So you you you can start again. This is one of those things. You can sit in, you can start to stack these things on top of each other. Contribute tribulation, famine. you you go through these things and you start to stack Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Chris: them and you're like, well, I I don't think I I wish I would have used this. I didn't. There was a an instance and I'm gonna do a I'm I'm not gonna do it justice, but there was a beautiful example in one of the commentaries that I was reading. And there was a I I'm blanking on it, it might have been Augustine, St. Augustine. I but I don't quote me on that. But they were whoever it was was like essentially standing before Nero and you Jacob Creighton: Mm-hmm. Chris: know, ruthless murderer of of Christians. And Nero was like, Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna expel you from community. And the response was, Well, you can, but I'll still have my Lord Jesus. Well, I'm gonna take all of your wealth. Well, you can, but I I'm still gonna have my Lord Jesus. And Well, I'm gonna and and then it finally got to, well, we're just going to kill you. And the answer was, but I'll still have my Lord Jesus. Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Chris: And I mean, I was like studying for this sermon and I was like, I was like weeping at my desk. I Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Chris: was like, my God, Jesus. Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Chris: So and I I I I kind of wish I would have used that and I I can go get it if money wants it. But man, Jacob Creighton: That's good. Chris: just such a sweet reminder. Like, what can separate you from? Christ through Jesus or love of God through Jesus Christ, your Lord. Again, it's the love of Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Chris: God that is given to you through the work of Christ. Jacob Creighton: Yeah. Chris: This is what the Holy Spirit is reminding you of. The indwelling Holy Spirit is telling you: you are victorious. You cannot be separated. You are secure through the work of Christ. Jacob Creighton: Yeah. I think that's just how we're gonna end the podcast is just saying you are secure in Christ Jesus. He loves you. Chris: Amen. Amen. Jacob Creighton: It's a deep love that's you know, nothing's gonna separate you from it. Yep. That's it. That's been good. Chris: Man, this has been good, Jacob. This has been good. Jacob Creighton: Yep. We hope you've enjoyed it. yeah, share this with your friends, your coworkers, your neighbors. What if they heard that there's nothing that could separate them from the love of Christ if they put their faith and hope in Christ Jesus? Man, I wonder how that would change. someone who doesn't know about it. That's fine. Chris: I'm gonna say, I'm sorry, I know we're about to end, but I'm gonna end on this. How about this? The person that is sitting next to you in your cubicle or at the coffee shop or in your classroom or lives next to you that looks like they have it all together, they're dying to know that they have security. They're doing everything Jacob Creighton: Mm. Yeah, you yeah. You're Chris: they can to create security. You, as a follower of Jesus, have it because of what someone else did for you. And they can have that too. Go tell them. Jacob Creighton: To give to give another spoiler from my sermon, this is what we're we see in Acts 16. Paul and Silas, they're in prison, like Chris said, experiencing just being beaten. And they sing and they pray at midnight. But I think what's what's even more profound that I think is true for everybody who's not a follower of Jesus. The prisoners were listening to them and they're looking at them and they're watching them and they've got one question and that's who can save me? Who can save me? Chris: Amen. Yeah. Jacob Creighton: Yeah, like you were saying, it so often feels like the world around us, they have it all together, they've they're fine. They're just fine. They got it, they're good. But they're dy yeah, they're dying to know who can save them. Who can save Chris: Good. Jacob Creighton: them? So, yeah. with them. So thanks. Good stuff, Chris. Forms podcast. Here we go. So Chris: orm podcast. Let's go. And it was good to good to do it. So we'll see y'all soon. Jacob Creighton: Yep. We'll see you guys next time. Thanks for joining us.