Matthew Lambert: Thank you for tuning into the generational gauntlet, Top Five Faves. This is the podcast where we give you our top five on a topic with a generational twist to it. My name is Matt Lambert and I'm the host of this podcast. Each week I bring in a guest who's from a different generation than me to discuss or debate our top five on a selected topic. Today I'm bringing back the first ever guest, the OG, my dad, Larry Lambert Jr. a Gen Xer and a fellow sports fan. Now we're recording this a few weeks in advance, but the day this episode drops, it's going to be when the brackets for the NCAA tournament will be released. So dad, number one, welcome back. think it's been like 16 episodes since you appeared on episode three. So thank you for jumping in here this evening.

Larry Lambert: No problem, thanks for having me back.

Matthew Lambert: So I gotta ask you, with the brackets dropping the day we release this episode, what's the best part of the NCAA tournament for you?

Larry Lambert: The best part for the NCAA tournament for me is the ⁓ opportunity to see the underdog potentially win. Not necessarily massive upsets, but teams that, you know, on any given day shouldn't have a chance and they roll in and turn the apple cart over and upset somebody, so to speak.

Matthew Lambert: I totally agree with you. think it's the Cinderella's for me. I still remember teams like George Mason back in 06, Steph Curry's 2008 Davidson squad, the VCU Rams, I think that was 2011, or the 2013 15 seated Florida Gulf Coast squad. With the tournament in mind on the day this releases, we're gonna cover our top five favorite upsets of all time. Now, dad, if I'm correct, you went with what you thought were the top Five biggest upsets, right?

Larry Lambert: That's correct. Yeah, I think mine are more the biggest upsets, not necessarily. A couple of these could be favorites, but mine are more of the ⁓ largest upsets or biggest upsets in sports history is the direction I went.

Matthew Lambert: No, I can respect that. Mine may not be the biggest I went with were the ones that I enjoyed the most. So for anybody that hasn't listened to the podcast before, here's how this whole thing works. My dad and I have each put together our own list for our top five favorite or in my dad's case, the top five biggest upsets of all time. I do not know his list. I think there's one that might be on both of our lists. I'll be curious to see if that's the case. but he doesn't know my list, he'll kick things off with his number five upset and why, I'll give you my number five and why, and then we'll continue until we get to each of our number ones. So without further ado, Dad, I'm gonna hand it to you. What is your number five upset?

Larry Lambert: Okay, my number five upset, you gotta go back to 2007 and it is the Appalachian State versus Michigan. Well, we'll just go ahead and say it for people so they don't have to deal with that. But the Michigan Wolverines, September 1st, 2007, the FCS member then Division I AA, Appalachian State, shocked college football by defeating the number five Michigan Wolverines, 34-32. no less at Michigan Stadium. So on the road, the Mountaineers took a lead late and then held off the comeback and they sealed the deal with Corey Lynch's blocked field goal whose time expired. And reason it makes my list as number five is number one, I can't stand Michigan. So to see them ever lose is a good thing, but to see them lose to Appalachian State, it was the first time a ranked football bowl subdivision team

Matthew Lambert: Same.

Larry Lambert: lost to an FCS team and it kind of set the tone for the 2007 season which actually became known as the year of the upset. So Appalachian State upsetting the Michigan Wolverines in 2007 that's my number five.

Matthew Lambert: not going to say more because it makes my list a little bit higher than number five. I'll throw a couple of things in later, but definitely appreciate you having that one on your list. So my number five, I went a little bit further back than you. went to 2004 and it was the Detroit Pistons over the Los Angeles Lakers in the 2004 NBA finals. For those that remember that series, it was a four one series. a gentleman's sweep of the Pistons overtaking the Los Angeles Lakers. In 2004, the Lakers were actually massive favorites to win that NBA championship. They had three-peated from 2000 to 2002. In 2003, they had lost a six-game series to the eventual NBA champions, the San Antonio Spurs, The Lakers were a who's who on their roster. They had Kobe Bryant, Shaquille O'Neal, Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Derek Fisher, Rick Fox, and Horace Grant. The Lakers had four future Hall of Famers, and when they signed Malone and Payton, they were the heavy favorites to win the NBA title that year. The Pistons were this physically defensive-minded team with Chauncey Billups, Ben Wallace, Rashid Wallace, Richard Hamilton, and Taishan Prince. And although the Lakers were heavily favored, The Pistons would win by an average of 13.3 points per game. The only loss they took in that series was in overtime. As I was doing my research, many analysts claimed this was one of the greatest upsets of all time. You had a team who was supposed to be dominant on paper, who got basically ran out of their own building. And the Pistons actually ended the Lakers dynasty. Shaq was traded that summer to the Miami Heat. I'm not a fan of Malone or Payton, can't stand either of those players. I didn't like this iteration of the Lakers, so this one was even sweeter for me. For the fact that they pulled a massive upset, they ended a team's dynastic run, it had to make my list. Dad, is this ⁓ Lakers Pistons, does it make your list at all?

Larry Lambert: Actually, that one would not be on my list, but I would agree that that was an upset in terms of on paper who should have won. So I would agree with you that it's good to be on a list, but is not on my list.

Matthew Lambert: Okay. I will hand it over to you for your number four.

Larry Lambert: Alright, my number four I'm gonna go a different sport here. This one is in 2015 and it is when Holly Holm knocked out Ronda Rousey in a UFC fight. Now, Holm knocked her out, she was previously undefeated and she was a dominant UFC champion, Rousey was. And so you ask kind of why was this such a large upset? Well...

Matthew Lambert: Ooh.

Larry Lambert: She is renowned, Rousey was, for incredibly fast UFC and Strikeforce victories. She just dominated folks with her Olympic level judo fighting style. She had multiple wins in under a minute. I mean, here's some of the wins that she had. She beat Kat Singano in UFC 184 in 14 seconds, Alexis Davis in UFC 175 in 16 seconds, Sarah DiAlio in Strikeforce in 25 seconds, Beth- Aquaria and UFC 190 34 seconds and then there were a couple others so she was just dominating people and everybody expected her to have another domination and instead she was knocked out and her career you know kind of then went on the skids a little bit but up into that point she was completely dominating she ended you know 12 2 & 0 but That was a big upset because everybody expected her to just throw home on the ground, beat her into submission like she does everybody else. And instead the tables got turned. And so that's why it makes my list there at number four.

Matthew Lambert: So I looked up the odds while you were going through your background on the Rousey home fight, because I was just curious and it was a people were getting 10 to one odds on home at the time of the fight. And ⁓ some reports here are that a lot of Las Vegas sportsbooks took a massive loss for those people that decided to throw some coin at home for that fight. Now, I do have to ask you, are you going to watch the upcoming Rousey Gina Carano fight?

Larry Lambert: Sure they did. Well, I plan to, it's on Netflix. So I plan to try to catch that because it's gonna be live on Netflix and we'll see which one of those ⁓ ladies come out of retirement the best.

Matthew Lambert: Mm-hmm. Who who right now? It's February 26th is the day we're recording this as of now who you taking in that fight I know it's a few months out, but who would you take?

Larry Lambert: I actually think Corona is going to win. I actually think she's going to win.

Matthew Lambert: Okay, by what? TKO or?

Larry Lambert: I actually think she's going to win by submission. That sounds very shocking, but I think she's going to win by submission.

Matthew Lambert: Huh. I have Rousey by Armbar first round. Just going back to her bread and butter.

Larry Lambert: There you go. Well, she may do, she may very well do that. And then again, they may just ⁓ dance around the ring and do absolutely nothing. True.

Matthew Lambert: It might be a snooze fest. Neither of these ladies has fought in like, what, maybe a decade? At least close to a decade. Well, my number four, I'm gonna take us back to a different style of sport, and I'm gonna go with football. So I go to 2007, and Adam, if you're listening, this one's for you. I've got the Giants over the Patriots, the 2007 Super Bowl. In 2007,

Larry Lambert: It's been a while, it's been quite a while.

Matthew Lambert: For those that do not remember this, the New England Patriots were on their way to an undefeated season. They were 18 and 0. That season, Bill Belichick won Coach of the Year. Tom Brady was the MVP. Brady threw for 50 touchdown passes, which was then an NFL record. Randy Moss caught 23 of those passes for touchdowns, which is still the NFL record. And the Pats set the record for points in a season. They had the highest point differential in NFL history and they were 12 point favorites heading into that Super Bowl. The Giants had been kind of like this cardiac kid style team that year. They were the fifth seed in the NFC. They were 13 and six on the season and they had to win an overtime NFC championship game to even make the Super Bowl. What unfolded was a series of some of the most amazing plays, at least in my opinion, in NFL history. In the fourth quarter alone, there were three lead changes. A Randy Moss receiving TD gave the Pats a 14 to 10 lead with almost three minutes to go. During the Giants ensuing drive, David Tyree made what is called the helmet catch, which is the most insane catch I've seen in my 40 years of life. He pinned the ball between one hand and his helmet. If you're listening to this and you have no idea what I'm talking about, pause the episode. Go Google David Tyree's helmet catch, it's insane. Look it up on YouTube, however you, if you wanna watch the video, look at a photo, it's just an insane catch. The Giants would score on a TD pass with 35 seconds to go to give them a 17 to 14 lead, which would hold. The game saw one of the most dominant and explosive teams in NFL history get beaten by an underdog with a quarterback in Eli Manning who always just seemed to step up. when Brady was on the opposite sideline. I was watching this game with a big group of people and was just all struck at the Giants' ability to shock the world. The wild plays, one of the best catches I've seen in my entire life, and one of the greatest upsets of all time, including against a team and a quarterback that I just don't really like, made this one have to be on my list. Dad, I... I might be spoiling your list, but is the Giants Patriots anywhere in your top 5?

Larry Lambert: It is not. It is not. But that is a huge... I didn't put it in there, but it is a huge, ⁓ huge, huge upset, especially since I really thought we were going to get to see another ⁓ undefeated team, which hadn't occurred in numerous years. yeah, that's a pretty big one. But I remember watching that one ⁓ live. I've been there with you. yeah, certainly did not expect that outcome, that's for sure.

Matthew Lambert: Really? think you were. Was it 72 was the last undefeated NFL team?

Larry Lambert: 72, the Miami Dolphins, that's correct, yes.

Matthew Lambert: Yeah, so we're at over 50 years now that we've never had an undefeated team. So they were so close yet so far away. All right, I'll hand it back to you. Who's your number three?

Larry Lambert: All right, my number three, we're going to hop over to basketball. And my number three is the North Carolina State versus Houston 1983 NCAA title game. And matter of fact, there's a great ⁓ show on Netflix about this whole team and everything. But it's the historic 1983 NCAA Division I basketball championship game, the Unranked.

Matthew Lambert: Ooh.

Larry Lambert: and six seeded North Carolina State Wolf Pack defeat the number one seeded Houston Cougars. the Cougars have Clyde Drexler, Hakeem Olajuwon, and North Carolina State was a massive underdog with some of the betting odds cited at seven and a half to eight points in favor of Houston, making the Wolf Pack a long shot to win. And it's wildly considered one of the biggest upsets in his basketball history. because their team, North Carolina State, they actually had to win nine games in a row, nine do or die games just to get into the tournament and then win the tournament. And every one of them, they were losing in the final minute. So it makes it pretty spectacular. And of course they won 54 to 52 on a last second buzzer beating dunk by Lorenzo Charles, followed by an air ball that was shot by Derek Whittenberg. And when you watch, if you watch the show they did on Netflix, Whittenberg says it was the greatest pass he ever made in his entire career, but it was an air ball. But what really strikes me and I remember from that game, is Jimmy Vee at the end of the game just running around the court looking for somebody to hug. He's trying to seek somebody out to hug and he just didn't know what to do. But he came into that season telling that team they were going to win the national championship and then they started to believe it and lo and behold they win the national title. So that's my number three upset.

Matthew Lambert: liked that one a lot. actually considered that one for the list. I just love that iconic image that you described of Valvano just beside himself. Did you watch that game live?

Larry Lambert: Watch that game live, yes.

Matthew Lambert: I say I wasn't around yet, but that would be a good game to get to experience live. So I'm sure that was a cool experience for you.

Larry Lambert: It was a cool game to watch, for sure.

Matthew Lambert: Well, dad, I'm going to give you my number three and I won't say a ton about it because you already talked about it. I'll give a couple other stats to back it up. But my number three is that app state over Michigan game. You talked about how big of an upset, it was. You talked about the outcome of the game. I want to just give some more context as to how massive of an upset that this was when this game took place. It's the beginning of the season. Michigan was number five in the country. They were the favorite to win the Big Ten Championship. They were considered a contender for the national championship. Now, App State was the number one in the FSC championship. They were the two time defending national champs, but Michigan was a 41 point favorite for that game. 41 points. It was expected to be so bad of a beat down that they didn't even issue a betting line for the game. And the game wasn't even on a major television network. They put it on the Big Ten Network. This was before that was readily available to everybody because they expected it to be a blowout. My football fans, this is who Michigan had on that roster. Chad Henney, Mike Hart, Mario Manningham, Adrian Arrington, Jake Long. And Michigan was at home in the biggest stadium in the country with 109,000 people watching. So my dad and I were both Buckeyes fans. For Michigan to lose that large of a game in front of their home crowd in such an epic fashion, So had to be number three on my list. Dad, you got any other thoughts to add in about that App State Michigan game?

Larry Lambert: Just at any time Michigan loses a game, it's a great day.

Matthew Lambert: Totally great. And it's a better day when they lose a game to Ohio State. That's one of the best days of the year when that happens. Dad, I'll kick it to you for your number two.

Larry Lambert: That's correct. Okay, my number two. We're going to go to February the 11th, 1990, when the 42 to 1 underdog Buster Douglas knocked out Mike Tyson. Now, one of the things that makes this such a massive, significant upset was just the fact that it actually appeared in the Guinness Book of World Records. for such a significant fight and upset. But Tyson was just, he just destroyed people. They were scared of him. When I was in the Marine Corps, there was one of his fights and I went out to get something to drink right at the beginning of the fight. They were showing it live in this place and the 10 to 30 seconds that I was out getting something to drink before I came back in, he'd already knocked the guy out and I got to watch the replay several times. the... The fact that Douglas just didn't even think he had, nobody thought he had a chance. Matter of fact, we're at my parents' house. at your grandma and grandpa's house and we're watching this fight and your mother says Buster Douglas is going to win the fight. And everybody in the room looked at her like she had lost her mind. Had we spent some money and bet on Buster Douglas, we'd have got big dividends there, but she actually predicted that fight. One thing that kind of makes it even more of a unique situation is what in the eighth round you had, or I'm sorry, actually in the eighth round you had Tyson get kind of falls down and gets gets Douglas knocked down. So there's a long count. So there was this long, what they called a controversial long count in the eighth round where most people say the referee gave Douglas approximately 14 seconds because of a slow count to get back up. So most people think fight should have been over in the eighth round and Tyson should have won. And then in the 10th round, he gets knocked out. And the real ironic thing is, as Tyson's always said, everybody has a great game plan until you get punched in the mouth. Well, apparently when he got punched in the mouth, he didn't have a very good game plan. So that makes my list as my number two greatest upset of all time.

Matthew Lambert: that I liked that this one made your list. And I'm going to add a little bit to it. It's not on my list. It was in consideration. But there is this amazing motivational speaker. My dad knows who he is, because I've sent him clips before, but his name is Eric Thomas. And Eric Thomas has a video. all like credit goes to him on some of what I'm going to say. He has this video and it's called resiliency. And it talks about the Buster Douglas, Mike Tyson fight. I think it's like an eight to nine minute clip. of a speech he's giving, but he's talking about when you get hit in life, get back up. And he talks about that, that Buster Douglas was one of the first people that pretty much got knocked out by Mike Tyson and got back up. Now, whether it was controversial or not, he did survive. Did you know though, that Buster Douglas's mom passed away 23 days before the fight?

Larry Lambert: Yes.

Matthew Lambert: Did you know what his mom was telling everybody before she died?

Larry Lambert: I'm pretty sure before she died she told everybody he was going to be the heavyweight champion of the world.

Matthew Lambert: She did. So I think Eric Thomas talks about it was at the salon, but his mom dies of a stroke at age 46, just 23 days before the fight. And Buster Douglas was telling people like my ma's was saying like everybody like her son's going to knock Mike Tyson out. So I got to do this for my mom. Like I've got to do this for my mom. He had told he had promised his mom he was going to beat Mike Tyson before she died. So Adding all those elements to the story, know, the more I think about it, I probably should have had it in my top five. So this was the one that I expected to be in your top five was Buster Douglas, Mike Tyson. So I had done a little extra research of my own in preparation for it to make your list. Well, dad, I'll give you my number two and my number two, I'll be curious if this makes your list as your number one, I don't know, but I have the United States over the USSR. in hockey. So rivalries are an exciting thing. You just heard a couple moments ago, my dad and I talking about Ohio State, Michigan. We love it. We're both Duke fans, so we love Duke versus UNC. Go back to the 80s, you've got the Celtics versus the Lakers. We could go Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, Kendrick Lamar versus Drake, Tupac versus Biggie. And in the 1980s, the United States versus the USSR was probably the greatest rivalry of all time. We're talking the height of the Cold War here, where two nuclear superpowers were constantly going blow for blow with one another. So with that backdrop, my number two is the Miracle on Ice, the 1980 U.S. Olympic team stunning the four-time defending gold medalist Soviet Union on February 22nd, 1980 in Lake Placid, New York. The Soviets were professional athletes who were taking on a bunch of amateur collegiate players. Her Brooks motivated this bunch of basically children take out the most dominant hockey team of all time, four to three, with the USS Mike Yurzoni scoring the game winning goal in the third period. The funny thing is a lot of people don't, they kind of get it twisted. This was not the gold medal game. This was a medal round game. but the US would go on to win the gold medal and the Soviets who, you know, sour about losing to the US would win the bronze medal in their next match, nine to two. That's how dominant of a team they were. This game would be dubbed the miracle on ice. Famously announcer Al Michaels would say on the broadcast as the seconds counted down, do you believe in miracles? Yes. This game has been revered by so many. The team was honored as Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year in 1980. 1999, Sports Illustrated named the game the Top Sports Moment of the 20th Century. And I'm not a hockey fan, but this one for me was just too big to leave off my list as it was more than just a game. It was a geopolitical rivalry. And the 2004 movie Miracle isn't bad either. It's a great film. And I think this one seems even more relevant after both our men and women's teams took home gold in the Winter Olympics. So go USA, dad, is this your number one or did it not make your list at all?

Larry Lambert: It is my number one, the miracle on ice. Matter of fact, you're talking about it and Al Michael saying, you believe in miracles? I'm getting cold chills. ⁓ I actually watched that. So not only is it was gonna make my list anyway, it is, you know, a lot of these things on my list, I actually got to see firsthand. And so I actually watched this on my little nine inch black and white TV with the rabbit ear antennas.

Matthew Lambert: Mm-hmm.

Larry Lambert: and watched this live on my little TV in my bedroom, getting all excited. As a young kid there, I didn't know a lot about hockey. Like you said, I'm not a big hockey, I mean, I like to to hockey, but I'm not a big hockey fan. Don't know a lot of the ins and outs, the rules, but I can enjoy the athleticism and the excitement. so they were 1001 odds to win the gold medal. And like you said, that was not the gold medal game. And matter of fact, there's a documentary on Netflix, watched it the other day. You need to probably watch it. It's about the miracle on ice. And they interview all those guys and they show clips from them getting ready, how the coach calls them to hate him, but it calls them to come together. It's a great documentary.

Matthew Lambert: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Larry Lambert: They're unable to interview him because he passed away several years ago and so did some of the other players. But it's just, as you mentioned, that Soviet team was just expected to obliterate everybody. They had won the previous four Olympic gold medals. And here we are 40 years later and the US celebrates with another gold medal. I thought that was really kind of cool that I had my list all made up before the US ever. even had a snowball's chance of winning a medal this year, much less getting the gold medal like they did in overtime. So it's just probably one of the greatest, as Al Michael said, know, probably the greatest upset that ever has been or ever will be, not only because of its impact in terms of who should have won, but as you mentioned, that was a time in the world where everybody needed something to be excited about and happy about. that hockey team beating the Russians and then going on to win the gold medal kind of united the country together in ways that those guys in the documentary said they really needed. So that's my number one is the miracle on ice.

Matthew Lambert: I kind of had a feeling I was gonna steal a little bit of your thunder, so I apologize. My number one, I am going back to the basketball court, and it is UMBC over Virginia. So we're doing this, again, this is gonna release on the day the NCAA brackets come out, and I thought it was fitting that my number one, regardless of what date this was, it's not my number one just because of the day this releases. but it is fitting that my number one is an NCAA tournament game. Prior to 2018, 16 seeds in the NCAA tournament had lost all 135 games they had played against number one seeds. When you make your brackets, if you picked a 16 over a one, people thought you were crazy. But on March 16th, 2018, the crazy finally happened. The number one seed, Virginia, was 31. and two that year. They were playing the 24 and 10 UMBC. Virginia had won the ACC Championship. Now I do think people will lose the context that Virginia had lost superstar Deandre Hunter to a wrist injury days before the game. Dad, before I go further, do you even know what UMBC stands for?

Larry Lambert: I have no idea, honestly.

Matthew Lambert: That's okay, I had to Google it. didn't know either. So UMBC stands for University of Maryland, Baltimore County. Entering this game, Virginia was a 20 and a half point favorite. While people thought Virginia might not win the NCAA championship anymore due to Hunter's injury, no one saw them getting upset in this game. At the half, the teams were tied 21 to 21. And that happens sometimes, you'll see a 16 seed or a 15 seed, hang around, but then in the second half, the better team typically pulls away. But that didn't happen in this game. Instead, UMBC would out-score Virginia by 20 points in the second half to win 74 to 54 and become the first number 16 seed in men's history to beat a number one seed. It's the largest or the third largest point spread upset in NCAA history. And when I say this was shocking, I mean, this was insane. In various websites, 13.3 % to 20.1 % of brackets in NCAA pools had Virginia winning it all. So in some websites, some companies pools, a fifth of the brackets had Virginia winning the entire thing. Only 0.1 % of brackets had UMBC upsetting Virginia, and no one in their right mind saw a 20-point drubbing happening. This one's number one for me because it finally proved a 16 seed could be the number one. This has only happened one other time since. That was in 2023, when Fairleigh Dixon overcame the largest spread in NCAA history to upset Purdue. but they only won by five points, not 20. Coming into today, when these brackets release, one seeds have a 154 and two record against 16 seeds. For the fact that UMBC was the first to do it, and the fact that they completely shattered that glass ceiling for 16 seeds, for the fact that they beat a team I am not a fan of, I do not like Virginia's pedestrian style of basketball, and for the fact that it came in what I think is the greatest tournament known to mankind, this was my number one. Dad, you got any beef with me having this as number one on my list?

Larry Lambert: I don't have any beef at all because that was actually kind like an honorable mention. was going to put it, I was going to actually put it in there and maybe remove my, remove number five with the Appalachian state upset, or maybe remove number four and put that one in there because it was such a thing that, you know, 16 seeds just never had a, you know, that was a pipe dream. And you talk about Cinderella, a 16 seed winning is definitely a Cinderella story. So it almost,

Matthew Lambert: I Uh-huh.

Larry Lambert: it almost made my list so it would have been a good honorable mention. So no beef with that being your number one.

Matthew Lambert: Anything, ⁓ any other upsets that you think we left off the list looking at it something that maybe we should have had on that we didn't put on our lists

Larry Lambert: You know, just because we were there live, maybe, you know, Indiana upsetting Duke in the sweet 16 when we were in less than Kentucky. mean, you know.

Matthew Lambert: Oh no. No. That's it. That whole Jason Williams had the four point play potential to send it into overtime. He missed the free throw and then Boozer missed the put back. Oh no.

Larry Lambert: Yes. Simply the fact that we were in the gym watching it, you know, that makes it even worse.

Matthew Lambert: Ugh. That crushed my soul, that like crushed my childhood, that wasn't a good memory.

Larry Lambert: ⁓

Matthew Lambert: Any other ones that you think we missed?

Larry Lambert: No, I mean there's lots of upsets all the time and there are some things that necessarily aren't an upset that other folks may deem necessary but hopefully ⁓ we'll see some good cinderellas in the tournament in a few weeks and get some good last second buzzer beaters. I always love the buzzer beaters myself.

Matthew Lambert: I do too. Since you brought up the fact that the tournament's coming up, do you think we get a 16 seed over a 1 this year?

Larry Lambert: I don't think we get a 16 seat over one with the projected ones that they have. If any of those projected ones lose, I think I'll just burn my bracket right then.

Matthew Lambert: dad, any any closing thoughts from you before we up today?

Larry Lambert: No, I'm just excited for the tournament upcoming. It's one of the great times of year to watch some basketball and hopefully there'll be a few Cinderella's that get picked and move along and bump some of those 5'12 games and 7'11. Hopefully there'll be some good upsets.

Matthew Lambert: Mm-hmm. Well, I'll say this before we close. This is my plug since I've got a, I've got a podcast. I can say some things. This should be a national holiday Thursday and Friday of NCAA tournament. Everything should be shut down. We should all just be at home. Schools should be closed. We should be kicking it at home watching college basketball. So I know that's a pipe dream of mine, but I wouldn't mind to have both those days off and watch nonstop around the clock basketball, but you know, whatever.

Larry Lambert: you There you go, there you go.

Matthew Lambert: Well, dad, I appreciate you coming back on here and sharing some sports with us today. For those that are listening, end of every episode, I talk about the fact that you can submit topics. This was another one of those topics that was submitted by a listener for us to cover the top five upsets. So if you're sending those in, if we haven't covered it yet, ⁓ I'm those episodes ⁓ set getting the people that I think might bring you the best perspective on those topics.

Larry Lambert: No problem.

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