speaker-1: So Dr. Tina Moore, you were A sick kid who kept asking doctors questions they couldn't really answer. How much of the Dr. Tina we see today was already in that young girl?

speaker-0: my gosh. That makes me want to cry. I remember being five years old and being held down on a table, a treatment table, by doctors and nurses while the doctor was shoving some kind of vacuum up my sinuses to suck the snot out of my nose because I had chronic congestion and my mom was in the corner crying and I remember clearly thinking there has to be a better way to do this. And that was the day I decided I was gonna become a doctor. That was it. And then everything has stemmed from that. My passion for telling the truth, my passion for not bullshitting people, not sending them around in circles, like just being a straight shooter, which is what I'm known for, that all stems from that. I just promised myself that day that I was gonna do better.

speaker-1: What a way to start it. Doctor Tina, thank you so much for joining me on the Business of Longevity. It's a true pleasure to have you on this and talk a little bit more about the entrepreneurial spirit that also lies behind a clinician like yourself. So if we take your story, you applied for a receptionist job once upon a time and ended up working with Rick Marinelli.

speaker-0: Marinelli, yeah.

speaker-1: Pronounce that right. And he became one of those most the important mentors in your life. Who was Rick and what did he teach you that still shapes you today?

speaker-0: You're just gonna make me cry again. no. This is like diary of a CEO. He always makes his guests cry. I was Rick's receptionist. I was out of under just out of undergrad. I had biology degree and I wanted to be an MD my whole life. And while I was in undergrad I was working up at Oregon Health Sciences University in the Dimension Alzheimer's clinic. And I met the neurologists up there who were the docs that you went to when you were a vegetable. Like you were gone. And they told me back in the nineties, the mid nineties that if they spent more than seven minutes in a room with a patient, they were losing money because of the way the medical system is set up there. And this was before it got bad. And so I decided I couldn't become an D and I just couldn't do that. And so I started looking at alternative medicine as an option and I realized Chiropractors had predominantly been the doctors that had always told me the truth. In the United States, my mom had always taken me to a chiropractor it was always the alternative medicine doctors that had helped me and answered my questions and took me in even then as a child. I would ask complicated questions and they would answer me. And so I didn't know anything about naturopathic physicians. I ended up applying for a receptionist job, got it, went to work for Dr. Rick, and just couldn't believe what he was doing in his practice. He was doing Like literal magic, it looked like. People were coming in in wheelchairs and they were leaving, walking out by themselves, writing their own checks. And I just couldn't believe the transformations. And so I stuck close to him and I spent 20 years with him. And I had true mentorship, which I don't think most humans get. Most you're lucky enough to have true mentorship with your parents, I think. But to have somebody actually guide you who's a true master in it was just I mean, I couldn't ask for a better mentor. And he ended up getting cancer and passing away, and he quickly he he looked at me one day and he said, you're up. I raised you for this. I trained you for this. And so I took over as practice and that's that's where it all comes from.

speaker-1: You take over a practice. And I mean that sounds quite impactful for a a a young woman to have to step into a role like that. Where were you in your life at that point and were you remotely ready to take on a practice?

speaker-0: No, I was probably five years into having a licensed practice. So I was a baby doc. And I had been very successful out the bat and had been I'm a good entrepreneur. I'm a good doctor, and so I had I'd built a pretty nice practice, but his was a big practice. His was like a 30-year-old practice and it was a big deal and he took care of you know famous people and it was there was a lot. So I remember having to like put on my big girl pants and step up. I actually had just had a miscarriage. I'd lost a baby. And I had just married a Canadian who was a young man that he had we were still trying to get his green card. We weren't sure if he was gonna be able to even stay. So I was in a lot of turmoil just emotionally and physically. And then I find out my mentor has cancer. And I'm kind of I mean I hate to sound too woo-woo, but I can foresee things. And I remember the day he told me he had cancer, I knew he was gonna die. I just knew. I I remember hearing the words and just hearing glass shattering around me and thinking he's not gonna make it. And so everything I did from that point forward, I did knowing he wasn't gonna make it. He thought he was gonna make it, everyone else thought he was gonna be fine, and I just kind of knew. And so I spent the next two years with him as he, you know, went on to pass and I did the best I could with the practice. I did a great job actually. He was very proud of me and he knew that he could he could he was leaving it in good hands. And yeah, it was I was busy and I was I learned a lot. I learned a lot very quickly.

speaker-1: So you go through this period of having to learn the tech technical side, the clinical side, the complications of humans and and the body and that you can't just go to a doctor and get a pill and then you're all fixed. But the hormones, there's gut, there's toxins everywhere, there's so many different things in play. S that's quite overwhelming to begin with, but then you have to take over a business, which means you're in all of a sudden in charge of payroll, taxes. Leadership, rents. We got that at the same time. damages. The toilet all of a sudden isn't isn't running. What did that teach you about the world that clinical practice doesn't do?

speaker-0: Well and also he specialized in a very difficult technique of regenerative injection therapy. So I was suddenly dropping four inch needles into people's spines too. So it was, you know, technically that's what the practice was built around and I had to get good at it fast. I had to overcome a lot of fear. I think I didn't have I think if I had g had the time to think about it, I would not have succeeded. I had no choice. I had absolutely no choice but to and I was a single mom up until, you know, my Canadian husband had showed up. I was I was a single mom, so I was trying to take care of everything myself. And I I don't know, you know, I think back and I just did what I had to do. I'm a tenacious girl. I was raised up by a tough dad and good work ethic and I just stepped up to bat and realized I was this was a great opportunity from God and I had Rick's legacy that I had to do good by. I didn't you know and there was a lot of people looking at me waiting for me to fail. A lot of people were angry that he gave me the practice. He just gave me the practice. I didn't buy it from him. He literally handed it to me, but it was also a a mess. So I I stepped into a huge mess that most people didn't realize. And his colleagues and some of the younger men that he had mentored weren't happy about it being knee and I was kind of the chosen one and so it was interesting because I had colleagues who were kind of vote like betting against me. So I am very proud and I'm I'm a terrier. I'm tenacious and I was like I can't fail now. I have too many eyeballs on me. I'm that's the story of my life. There's always there's like so many people betting against me and I'm like just watch me, you know so I just did it and I did great. It was great. My skill set skyrocketed, my entrepreneurial skills skyrocketed. I just I had no choice but to to win.

speaker-1: So what's the best thing so lots of people that listen to this podcast are actually practitioners that are trying to work out how t business works because they're not used to it. It's new for them. So what's the best thing of running a clinic?

speaker-0: So in the United States everybody takes insurance and everything's insurance based. I refused to take insurance. I was payment at time of service, which was very controversial. And I had a lot of my colleagues mad at me about that. They were like, who do you think you are? the procedures I was doing are not covered by insurance, so I refused to play in that model. So that was like an extra layer of challenge and stress. And I knew that I had to do something damn good in order to float and not sink. And so I would say don't do what everyone else does. Learn procedures or techniques or Whatever it is, get really good at something outside of what everyone else is doing. And that's I mean that's my success online as well. Like you can't just be echoing what everyone else is doing. You won't get anywhere. There's a million mediocre doctors out there giving people fish oil and telling them to, you know, go gluten-free. Like you have to do something unique, which I realized required a lot of extra training and a lot of extra money. I I think the best thing I did the first gosh, seven years of practice, I invested every single dollar I made back into myself. Whether it was to upgrade the clinic, you know, the tables, the ultrasound, whatever it was, but I was training and training and training. I was getting into rooms that you could only basically buy your way into just to be in the room. So I was doing networking and masterminds for marketing. At the same time I was learning really complicated techniques and regenerative medicine and so it was just a matter of and I knew early on that having an online presence, having an email list, just the beginning stages of that blogs. I mean this was back when nobody was really doing that. All of those things translated into my success overall. And I and I think that doc you it it's a lot of effort.

speaker-1: This is gonna be a bit of a big question, but what's the the one thing what's the best thing you invested in yourself?

speaker-0: Learning how to market. Learning how to market. My email list. I would say hands down my email list and then onward to my podcast. Those are my biggest vehicles. If I have been canceled many times on social media and every time they take it away from me, I'm like, I have an email list and a podcast. You can't touch me. Like I you can't cancel that. Awesome.

speaker-1: So you spent years on first learning and then taking over a clinic, running a clinic successfully, and then you stepped away from it.

speaker-0: Yeah, 'cause I burned out.

speaker-1: Yeah.

speaker-0: Well, I had no financial backing. I had no help. I didn't have parents with money. I didn't this was two thousand and eight when this all started, so I didn't have any We were in a recession in the United States. There was no way to get a small business loan. I had nothing. I was in bankruptcy, so I couldn't even use a credit card. So literally my entire clinic was built on cash. And I was a single mom raising a daughter on cash. I remember months where I didn't sleep, where I didn't even have enough money to feed myself. So I was really skinny while I was feeding my daughter. I was choosing to literally give her food instead. I mean it was rough. So everything you see that I have done is self-made. My entire platform is organic. I never bought followers. I never ran Facebook ads. I I mean I up until recently, I literally built all of this organically and it has paid off in droves. I have many colleagues who were kind of at the same level as me and they have I can tell that there has been some purchasing of followers and some purchasing of podcast downloads and like my shit converts. Brands love to work with me because my brand converts. I have built what I call an army. I mean, I literally built an army of followers because I told them the truth. truth and so I think that at the end of the day I just followed what I was a punk rock girl in high school you know and I just wanted to buck the norm and I still I bring that to my online world and into my business every day because I think like what would 17 year old Tina do? You know 17 year old Tina was going to take over the world and I had no fear. And so I try to harness her and remember her all the time and honor her because she's the girl that got me where I am today and I never sold out. I just refuse to sell out. And it's hard at this point because I'm I'm big enough in my platform where I could sell out. And it's so I was just talking to your brother about this actually. Like it would be so easy just to kind of step over the line and I refuse to. And I know that's hurt me financially, but at the end of the day I have my integrity, I have my audience and I have my brand. And so I don't know, I for I didn't even answer your question.

speaker-1: No, I'm I'm enjoying this so much because I have now a follow-up question because that's w it's one of my issues that I perhaps struggle with which is when am I successful? When am I actually delivering? Yeah. I I work a lot and I wanna have a huge impact. but I'm in the stage perhaps not as rough as you are. You were. I'm I'm I'm okay. I'm not too concerned. But I haven't followed that success. What would you what if you would I'm I'm right here and now you can tell me what's that one recommendation that you have for someone who's on that journey, they don't really know what that success is going to be like, and you're in your twenties, st start thirties. How how do you go about that period? Because w one thing is reflecting back. So listening to your story, it all makes sense. and there's a Danish philosopher, San Kierkegaard, who says that You live life moving forward but you understand it when you look back. And I think

speaker-0: I like that.

speaker-1: that's the example of what we're hearing with you right now. And everything makes sense when you look back. Yeah. But when you're in it, stuff doesn't necessarily make sense 'cause you can't see the finish line. w what do you think about that? Do you have any kind of

speaker-0: Yeah, so when I was your age, I was really frustrated with where I was at. I was really depressed. I knew I was meant meant for something bigger. I was really frustrated with where I ha found myself. And I had a young man I was talking to last night, somebody who's been speaking here, and he he's he met me in Portland like 10 years ago and he was so happy to find you know see me last night. And he said, How did you do it? What would you suggest? What are my first steps? Because he wants to build a a big brand. And I was like, you just weave and dodge. You just follow your heart. I ask God every morning, like, what is the best thing that I can do today to to serve you and to serve humanity? Like I'm just here as a messenger. Like I realize this is not about me. I don't have an ego. I'm getting downloads from God. My gift is that I can take complicated information and make it really simple for people. And so I always try to talk to like a smart 10-year-old. I think about you probably were a really smart 10-year-old. I was a really smart 10-year-old. I asked a lot of questions. The adults were always confused, like, why is she asking these complicated questions? And so I try to talk to that person. And I think that's actually kind of where a at least in the United States, you know, a lot of people are kind of there. And i there's no need to overcomplicate it, right? And so Just follow your heart. Foll I don't know if you're religious at all, but I just follow what God tells me to do. And I I just try to serve at the highest level. And I try not to I just there's no reason to have an ego. Like I'm not trying to follow an ego. I'm not trying to get more famous. I'm not trying to grow bigger. I really am not even trying to grow. Like I was just telling the group last night, I I having a bigger platform means more problems and more people that come for your head. And so I'm kind of in this weird space where I'm like, how do I maintain what I have? When is it enough, right? And I think when you're, you know, for me it was when when was I comfortable financially? I want my family to be comfortable. I want everyone to be healthy. That there's no point in I have destroyed my health in this process numerous times. I was thinking this morning in the shower how many times I've had to rebuild my health. Literally rebuild it. And just recently I had to go through that again. And I know how to do it, I'm getting really good at it, but I would like to not have to fall apart so hard. And I have a pretty I have a funky immune system. It likes to go sideways on me. And so just how do I stay in alignment with who I am in integrity? How do I keep my health in the flow? How do I keep my stress mitigated? Like do not let cortisol run your life and do not let people who drive your cortisol up stick around very long. Fire early. Seriously, fire people early in your life, period. Yeah. Do not let them drag you down with them. and just remember who you were. Like why did you start? I really was a sick little kid. I thought the medical system was so messed up and that's what drives I it's even more messed up now. And I thought how you know, how can I tell people the truth? How can I translate it? And I need bigger and bigger platforms and bigger and bigger microphones so that I can tell the truth. And so I get on these podcasts and I get to talk with interesting people because How do we get more people to hear? At least the truth is I know it without bullshitting them, without sugarcoating it, and just remembering why I started.

speaker-1: Fantastic. So if we go back to your story, which I really find interesting, you go through a burnout process, you stop working with patients, and then you start building your personal brand around then, or how does that start coming about?

speaker-0: Did it simultaneously. So I was doing some pretty I was doing a lot of rejec regenerative injection therapies. And so I was really practicing at the edge of my license. I could see the writing on the wall that the FDA I just had this feeling that you know the F and I had seen it happen to my colleagues. The FDA just walks into your office, they don't like what you're doing with stem cells or whatever, they shut you down and until their investigation is over, you can't work. And I was in a financial Position at that point where I would have gone bankrupt within a month. We had one period in Oregon, I remember one winter we had two weeks of ice and I almost had to declare bankruptcy. I mean that's how I mean I was literally just hanging on by the skin of my teeth. I was very successful, but that practice was a very expensive practice to run. And I was, you know, trying to pay my student loans. I was a single mom. And I realized after Rick died, Rick died and some kind of fuse blew and I thought I have to get out of this. Like this has a I was also treating people who had exhausted every other resource. I was getting the people who had been everywhere and they were tired and they were in pain and pain has a shelf life. You can all and I I live with chronic pain myself. So I'm like, gosh, this is like a ten year shelf life. I can't do it much further than this. And then my you know, watching my mentor get sick after treating pain for thirty years, I just thought I don't want to end up like that. So I and I kept getting pneumonia. And I was building my online business, waiting for it to take off. And it was just the struggle bus. I mean, it was like 10 years of just like grinding along. And I got this income up as I started to decrease my hours in clinics. So I still have a patient base and I still treat to stay, you know, stay in the stay in the no, but it's not this big one-on-one. I I also think that's a huge thing. You have to decide at some point, do you want to exchange your time for money? And when you're helping people one-on-one. It's very limited in what you can accomplish. I want to help millions of people. So I need a bigger platform. I need a bigger microphone. So I really started leaning that way, not for the money, but so I could have more impact and help more people. And it pays off. And when you have a real audience that is organic with real followers, they will follow you to the ends of the earth because so many people are lying to them. And the wellness industry's gotten in many ways so gross in in separate camps and you don't know You know, you start looking at some of these influencers, you don't know where their money's tied up, you don't know what they've invested in, you don't know what businesses they own and what they're promoting on their podcast, and you start to fe in I so I was like, I'm just gonna be completely transparent. I am completely transparent. I'm an open book, I'm not hiding anything. I also know that when you get big enough they come for you and they find the dirt on you and I'm like, Well, there's no dirt because I mean I've said it all. Like I whatever whatever I'm like, what are they gonna dig up? I've shared it all, you know. So I think just realizing my time was up there, but my time as a doctor was not up. So how could I just translate this brain and all this awesome knowledge I'd learned and all of the awesome knowledge that my mentor had instilled in me and how do I translate that? And he loved technology. He he was really an early adapter to a lot of technology and it was limited back then. But I mean back when Palm Pilots and like all that early technology was out. He was one of the first doctors to have a website. I mean things like that. so I I took that to heart and was like, well, how can I harness technology? So I was doing webinars ten years ago. No one was doing webinars, you know, and I was using my email list to build my brick and mortar practice. And I was getting on podcasts and doing summits and I didn't know what I was doing. I was just like, I heard Rob Lowe, the actor Rob Lowe. He said the the key to his success years ago was that he said yes to everything. So I promised myself for 10 years I would just say yes to everything. And now I'm at the point where I say no to almost everything.

speaker-1: Well, that makes me really feel privileged that you're here with me. So that's love.

speaker-0: And all these wonderful people, you know. So yeah, just follow and also I'll say this if I can if I can cuss. Mark Manson, he's like, if it's not a fuck yes, it's a fuck no. So I I adopted that like ten years ago. If it's not a hard yes, it's just an absolute no. And if you start playing the gray zone and you try to skate and make everyone happy and try to do everything, you will burn yourself out and you will end up it involving yourself with people or businesses that you're like, that might bite me in the ass later. It does. You've seen it. We've seen it with online influencers. Like, that person's side of that business or that you know, so I'm just trying to keep it clean and keep it real and hopefully it'll give me another ten years.

speaker-1: Mm, awesome. So you really came on the the map when you started talking about GLP1. So it became more than just perhaps other practitioners listening in, learning from all of your extensive knowledge, but you actually started reaching a a a consumer base with all this. That became kind of your niche, is that correctly understood or

speaker-0: Yeah, well I kinda I got a lot of notoriety around COVID days 'cause I pushed back pretty hard. So I was but I was on the you know, I was on the receiving end of the censorship industrial complex. So that was not fun. That was it was awesome. I built an awesome audience and it was very much me telling the truth as I knew it, but it was, you know, there was a lot of backlash. So that was tough. And then I started speaking on GLP ones and I think that really broadened my audience and got me out. Also upsetting big pharma. Not I keep ending up on the wrong side accidentally of Big Palma.

speaker-1: Yeah, but I I we laugh a little bit about it, but I think it's so important that you're getting on the wrong side of some of these big corporations because if you don't talk out about it, who's going to talk out up about it? And I think it's key. Big farm's there, they're up we're up against it, we're up against the margins, we're up against the money. Big food is there. Yeah. Big food is having just as big an impact as big pharma is negatively on individuals. And I d I was just reading the other day that more than five hundred and fifty consumer foods are owned by five big conglomerate companies. Right? What are they thinking about? Are they thinking about the goodness of the consumer? No. Or are they thinking about the margins and making sure they have a profitable business? So keep doing what you're doing. And I'm your I'm a big I'm a big fan fan of that. So If we go back to the business side of where you are right now, how does your how does your business look today? What's it what's does it include?

speaker-0: It's great. I really diversify it and make sure that I have multiple sources of income coming in. I don't think there's anything any such thing as passive income, but you know, a lot of doctors think that they're gonna build passive income streams. I think that's a misnomer. You have to nurture every single income stream. But having multiple places that it arrives in case you do piss off a brand and they fire you, like it should it doesn't hurt, you know. So the podcast itself I have monetized, so I have brand sponsorships. only work with brands that are in integrity and that align and that products I use. And so that is a wonderful income stream. Love my podcast because it's the one place I'm not censored. I I can reach more people. People love it. I love long form content. It invites a different kind of follower than the short form Instagram dopamine hit. I mean that those people have the attention span of a goldfish often. So long form and a no diss, it's just a different I like people who can read. Yeah. So I have a SubStack, that's another income stream. I have a private community called the Menopause Rebellion for midlife Gen X ladies. That's another income stream. Speaking engagements, being on stages, those are different income streams. And so I can affiliate relationships with different brands that I like, that's a different income stream, and I can use my email list to sort of drive all of it. And then I just lean on whatever interests me. I really don't have any rhyme or reason. I sh I am sure I could be more methodical, I'm sure I can make more money, I'm sure I could sell my soul out and make a lot more money. I have turned down speaking of GLP ones, I I have turned down hundreds of thousands of dollars from telemedicine companies that wanted me to be the face or companies that were creating GLP one like supplements and they wanted me to be the face or the medical director and I just have said no to all of it because I'm not selling anyone into a GLP one program. I'm selling education around GLP ones. And so I just lean into whatever's fun and I kind of like have a season. So I guess I could be more organized and do quarter one this quarter but I just I'm like, I'm really digging this right now. It's fun. I'm it's it's whatever's stoking creativity, I'm creating content around it. I'll push that for a while, you know, and see how it does. And really ultimately I'm trying to simplify menopause. I just think it's gotten so complicated. I think I mean speaking of marketing, that is an industry that they are prey I mean, really a lot of companies are preying on midlife women right now, and they are so confused and they don't know which way to turn. And everywhere they turn there's a product for them because it's big business. Menopause is suddenly big business. So I'm trying to help them navigate the truth and simplify things. Get them in the gym, get them eating Whole Foods, get them going out in the sunlight, getting them to de-stress. Like, how do we get through this together? Because I'm right in it too. And how do we not make it so you don't need all the gadgets and the complications, we don't need to hyper obsess about 120 grams of protein every day. Like, how can I help them? Simplify it as much as possible and learn how to train through it, I think that will make me plenty of money. And also, when is there enough money? I am not one of the people who keeps chasing more and more. It's like, am I comfortable? Where's my stress level at? Where's my libido? Where's my sleep? How are my gains in the gym? If those are not lining up, I'm doing too much. And so to me, it's not, I need to make more money. I need to constantly. I have friends that are on more podcasts and they travel more and they're on more stages and there's more books. And I'm like, I'm just gonna chill for a while with my dog by the pool.

speaker-1: Right, that's that's a nice thing to do. But I I wanna just challenge you a little bit on it because I'm thinking a little bit about the young woman who was very skinny because she was having she she prioritized and rightly so to feed her daughter and I'm sure she was getting good food, your daughter, because you that that's the kind of person you are. Does it not sometimes make you think twice about saying no to some of that money? Is there something there?

speaker-0: No, I say no all the time. Much to my brand manager's dismay. To my husband's dismay, I say no all the time. I walk away from five figure, six figure deals all the time. If it doesn't align, it doesn't align. If it's not integrity, if they're not using good science, if they're bullshitting their you know, it it takes a minute for me to do some research and realize like if the website doesn't feel good, I want the user experience. For my followers, I want the website to be easy to navigate. We're middle aged women. We don't need tiny little font. We don't need flash and pizzazz. I want the whole thing if it how's their customer service? What's the follow-up like? If they buy a three thousand dollar sauna, like are they gonna get really excellent customer service? And for I mean, there's a million reasons why I'll break brand deals. And my brand manager was like, You are

speaker-1: You become

speaker-0: you're becoming difficult to work with for some brands. I'm like, well then let's not work with them. I don't care. I don't I don't I also don't believe that there's only so much. There it like you just grow the pie. It's not bit get a bigger piece. It's a very different way of thinking of things. And for me, I know God will always lead me to more opportunity. Like there's always going to be more opportunity. And then I come to events like this and there's all these companies I've never even heard of before. Here's a ton of opportunity to make really great relationships where both parties are winning and I can use my platform to help them and they can you know use my platform to gain access into the United States or whatnot, it's like just finding other people that are in integrity for the right reasons it's fine. It will allow God will provide.

speaker-1: So you've built the clinic. You've left the clinic. Yeah.

speaker-0: Best thing best thing ever did.

speaker-1: You've built the podcast, the education business, and you have now a major audience. What are you trying to build now? What's the next decade going to look like? We've kind of spoken about it where you are right now, but in ten years' time, where do you want to be?

speaker-0: I I was just talking to your brother about this. good. I I

speaker-1: Lucky Olive.

speaker-0: I would like to not be the face of the brand anymore. I'd like to do I see some of these other entrepreneurs. Kelly Slater, do you know who Kelly Slater is? He's a famous surfer. Okay. I've always been a huge Kelly Slater fan. And he's diversified. You know, he owns a company that makes a sunscreen. He owns a clothing line. He's diversifying. You would never know his name is or that his financing or you know. is part of that. And so my next step I think is either building or aligning with companies who are in integrity, who are helping the world, not destroying the world, who are not gonna get fought out by private equity, you know, not selling out. That is huge. I am a punk rock girl to my core and I will not sell out. And so how can I like I don't know what that is yet. I don't know if it's is it skincare? Is I don't know. It'll I'll find it. It'll come to me. But

speaker-1: Organic bone broth. Have you heard of Yeah I know.

speaker-0: But you know that Homer Simpson meme where like backs into the bushes. Yes. That is my vibe. I like that. So I think that, you know, five and ten five to ten years from now you probably won't be seeing me out there. I'm fifty two. Like I don't want to be in my sixties trying to be a health influencer online. Like that's just not getting up and putting on turning the camera on and getting in front of it is a little harder every day, you know. So as long as I maintain my beauty and my wits, I'm good. But and I know there's influencers out there in their sixties and seventies and eighties who are crushing it and that's great. I'm just kind of antisocial and I'm I'm really not very good at being an influencer at the end of the day. I'm it's not my jam, so

speaker-1: I think others would disagree but it's fair enough.

speaker-0: It's real, I mean what you get is real, but I hope that I can find another way to utilize my brain and the gifts that God gave me and all of the knowledge that I got from my mentor and everything else that I've built and it will tr I know it'll come, it'll it'll translate into something different. And maybe it's something that doesn't even exist yet. and they'll they'll know my name's behind it somewhere, but the whole like Doctor Tina out front thing, I don't know what the shelf life is on that. I don't think it'll be there in a decade.

speaker-1: Okay, so what if it disappeared tomorrow, everything? What would you want the world to remember you for? If you had to pick that one thing?

speaker-0: Then I told the truth.

speaker-1: Awesome. On this podcast we have a tradition when we're closing it off, we're to have three questions that we like to just hear your raw answer on. So if someone's building in this space, the longevity space, what's your recomm one recommendation for them?

speaker-0: What I said earlier, remember why you started and stay in integrity. The money will come.

speaker-1: What's the one personal health habit that you never miss?

speaker-0: Going out first thing in the morning. Outside it was

speaker-1: Fun. Just g outside. Don't have to move, just be there.

speaker-0: Total game changer. Especially if you can catch first flight. Absolute game changer. I moved from Oregon to Arizona specifically to do that.

speaker-1: Okay, yeah, well that's probably a good. So where can people find and learn more about you?

speaker-0: anything dr tina it's dr t y na so instagram youtube those are my big platforms that i'm on my website is drtina.com and then i have a a private community like i said for gen x ladies it's schoolsk o l dot com forward slash dr tina

speaker-1: Perfect. It's been such a privilege to have you on the business of longevity. I'm sorry if I made you cry. But and and we kicked it off by crying. I even got emotional, but it it turned out okay. Thank you so much.

speaker-0: Thank you. It was so fun. Hey.