speaker-0: Hello and welcome back to the Charging Status Podcast. My name's Alex and today I've got the wonderful Graham Cobb with me. How are you doing, Graeme? Yeah. Yeah, not too bad. we're down here in I'm gonna say sunny Bournemouth, but it's a bit grey today. Yeah. You don't know where we are.

speaker-1: Good, thanks Alex, how are you? Just follow the nerve.

speaker-0: ⁓ so we're down here seeing Jim in his new office, which is

speaker-1: It's very nice. Yeah.

speaker-0: Little bit gray and depressing, but it's not too bad. Yeah.

speaker-1: He's got tea and coffee making facilities and yeah, and a toilet.

speaker-0: We can call it coffee a coffee, yeah. Not gonna go there. But yeah. yeah, how you doing? Yeah.

speaker-1: ⁓ good. Very good. Thanks.

speaker-0: Stuff. ⁓ yeah, it's at the moment things are quite busy with the car world. I mean, you're busy writing so much stuff for Jim at the moment.

speaker-1: Yeah, I kind of forget what I've written now. Yeah.

speaker-0: Yeah, I that I used to have that problem. I used to write a lot. I don't I don't do any writing anymore at all. I know.

speaker-1: I know. You need to get me on your website. Yeah.

speaker-0: I I have written a few bit. I think I wrote I wrote a review of the Kia E V two last month, which absolutely amazing car, which me and Jim have discussed before.

speaker-1: I saw that back in May when we went to SMMT. ⁓ yeah. Yeah. And they didn't have it as a demo, but you could climb around it. Yes. And I thought it was a good car. Yeah. Really solidly built. Nice and compact. Yeah. I thought it was good. I thought it was a decent car.

speaker-0: ⁓ it's lovely. Yeah, it's it's honestly it's lovely. ⁓ I think I it was such a difficult car to review because there's nothing wrong with it. Yeah. It's just a lovely little thing. It's so happy and just built really well.

speaker-1: I think Jim was quite besotted with it as well.

speaker-0: Yeah. Yeah. I mean it's me and Jimmy have spoken a few times about I'm gonna lease a car at some point and I'm deciding what that car will be. And on my list is the Rena five. Yeah. And then th th the key A V two's on that list now in a very close second. 'Cause it's that good.

speaker-1: Yeah, but what's going to decide it for you?

speaker-0: It'd be the price. Okay. If there's an outstanding deal, yeah. That's gonna be a good amount of money then that'll be it.

speaker-1: Even the entry level, Kira EV2, the air, that's such good value for money, isn't it? It's got everything in it you need and so much range. Yeah. think that for me, that just hits a sweet spot. It really does.

speaker-0: So much range. Yeah. Yeah, I think I've seen I have I I've only seen one or two and I was in Bournemouth a few months ago and I saw one or two of them around. And the ones that are currently available, I think, are the first editions. Right. which won't be l won't be as popular, I don't think, because they've got smaller batteries. Yeah. it was because I don't think they had the larger battery available. So they they wanted to launch the car first. Yeah. and yeah.

speaker-1: and while they did that. Okay

speaker-0: I think that's basically what it was. Yeah. Trying to source a battery, I think. But yeah. yeah, it's there's there's so many cars launching at the moment. I mean, we were chatting before we start recording about the Nissan Pixo briefly. ⁓ there's so many little I I think I think twenty twenty six has become the year of the small E V. Which I'm really happy about.

speaker-1: has. And I kind of, wrote an article at the start of the year on Notaguri that was looking at the small, small cars, because it's certainly a category that's largely been forgotten, isn't it, until now. And I looked into which cars were coming out this year as well. So it's really nice to see those cars coming through. And of course, I don't know why but wasn't expecting the new Dacia Spring quite so soon.

speaker-0: No, 'cause it feels like it felt like they just ref they just launched it. Yeah. And then they refreshed it. Refreshed it. Yeah. And

speaker-1: that just re And now it's being replaced. And it's only, it's only been in the UK since like 24. But it launched, I think in Europe in 2021. it's not even reached the natural end of its life cycle. it's being replaced, but you've got like a trio there that are effectively the same underneath. You've got the Renault Twingo, fabulous Renault Twingo, the Nissan PIXO, which was revealed yesterday. and the Dacia Spring that was revealed last week or week before. they all seem to have a little bit of different personality about them. Of course, like Renault have drawn on their ⁓ kind of heritage with one of their original Twingoes, which I remember seeing, I think I went to France on holiday once and remember seeing them around because they weren't available in the UK. And I just think like that, I suppose the similarities really are the Renault Twingo and the Nissan PIXO kind of from the A pillar back of pretty much the same car. Lights are different at the back. The fronts are completely different, but the Dacia Springs just like, Ooh, haven't they? So that's quite interesting to see that they've, they've tried to make it stand out on its own rather than just be, look, there's another Twingo with a Dacia badge on it.

speaker-0: Changed it all, didn't it? Yeah. And also I don't know if you saw that, the ⁓ the Dutch has got a frunk as well.

speaker-1: ⁓ yes, it has just about big enough for a charging cable. Yeah. Which is quite cool. And the pixel doesn't have one.

speaker-0: Neither does a twinkle. Yeah. Yeah. So

speaker-1: But that is an optional extra on the Dacia. Not standard equipment. I can't remember what it cost to add it, or whether, yeah, I don't remember, ⁓ but yeah, it's an option at least.

speaker-0: ⁓ it is. Yeah. I missed it. I find it quite useful having the front 'cause the J C I've got at the moment, it's got one. Yeah. And I just put the type two lead in there and it's just become quite useful 'cause if you're travelling and got yeah stuff in the boot, you just can't really get to it. Sound

speaker-1: about picks the frunk in the JQ roughly.

speaker-0: I don't ⁓ I think it's like forty five liters from memory. No, it seems okay. ⁓ you could probably get a c I reckon till three type twos in there.

speaker-1: Bad, it? Yeah, that's decent.

speaker-0: Maybe. So it it's quite a good size. Yeah.

speaker-1: Perfect if it's got vehicle to load and can carry that adapt with you. Yeah.

speaker-0: That car I th yes, it does have vehicle to load a standard, but there's no adapter. Yeah. You have to get one extra.

speaker-1: Yeah. Two with the MG as well. Yeah.

speaker-0: No, it's it's it's all good. ⁓ I mean me and Jim on the last episode we spoke about ⁓ we drove the Super N. Yeah. SMEMT. Sadly you you couldn't make it.

speaker-1: to know, but that is quite sad actually, cause I'd have loved that.

speaker-0: Yeah, it was quite it was quite good fun. ⁓ and it seemed like I think even at even at SMMT at Milbrook, it seemed like the most popular cars were the new small E Vs. Yeah. 'Cause I was desperate to drive the micro in Millbrook. And it they were said, Yeah, no, it's it's booked.

speaker-1: Wow. yeah, I mean, I, I drove the Micra back in March or April. Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ and it was, ⁓ Paul Eden from the Nissan Evianos Club that organized that. And, it was fantastic because that, that at the time was, was the only option between the Renault five and the Micra. The Micra is the only one at the time that had one pedal driving. ⁓ yeah. ⁓ now that's been introduced, isn't it? in the five. But driving that around the lanes near me with one pedal on, it was fantastic. It really was such a good fun car. Really tight in the back seats though, but I loved it. I really enjoyed that car. The one thing that confused me is when I came to a stop, and you know you've got the gear selector stalk, it's kind of this big thing that sticks out.

speaker-0: Really?

speaker-1: And it's got a fake button on the end of it. So I kept prodding that to try and park it. I'm saying to Paul, how do you put this thing in park? goes, well, it is in park. It's like the park break is kind of underneath the air conditioning controls. It just goes into park itself. like, okay, I was kind not expecting that. It's like someone designed that stalk and said, ⁓ yeah, put the park break there. And an engineer came along and said, we can just get rid of that. So they kept the mold.

speaker-0: Yeah.

speaker-1: It's a bit strange that that so that and the fact that it was a bit too stalky says four stalks on that car. I don't like things on stalks. I don't know why I prefer buttons for stuff and I think like when you look at my wife's mgz s and That's got all the cruise control and the pilot mg pilot on a stalk, but it's hidden behind the wheel. Yep. So if you can't remember what thing to twist or what to push in. kind of like, yeah, eyes off the road to see what's on the stalk. he, and he got like buttons all over the steering wheel. think, I wish they could have just put buttons there instead of having that extra stalk. but that, mean, that said, it wouldn't put me off buying one of those, buying a micro or a Renault. No, not a deal breaker at all. And, you know, irritations about my own car.

speaker-0: five. No, it's not a deal breaker.

speaker-1: never find a perfect car. There's always something with it. but yeah, I really enjoyed that micro. Have you actually driven one?

speaker-0: Yeah. I drove one so as of recording with SMMT I it used to be called SMT South, but it's SMMT Live or something there. Right. ⁓ I that was yesterday. Yeah. ⁓ so I managed to have a little go in the micro yesterday. And it I forgot because it's been a year since I drove the mic the Rena five. Yeah. I was like, how do I turn the volume down? ⁓ it's there. Yeah. It took me a few seconds. ⁓ they drive exactly the same. Yeah. Whereas the micro's got obviously the one pedal driving, as you mentioned now.

speaker-1: Yes. How does it compare?

speaker-0: And I think the Renault 5 was refreshed last week. Yeah. I think. Yeah. With that one maybe the one pedal driving system. I can't remember. they're practically the same. Yeah. The the it's got a cute look to it. ⁓ I mean, the only difference for me is that maybe some of the software on the driver display could be a there could be more stats ⁓ available all the time. Yeah. But that's a very minor nickel. Yeah. They're practically exactly the same car. So yeah, but the the five's a bit more

speaker-1: Yeah.

speaker-0: Cheeky in terms of its design.

speaker-1: Yeah, I think that's what it boiled down to, isn't it? Is what do prefer the look of and is the price right? Yeah. And I mean, they accrue the EV car grant as well. I think the smaller battery one gets the lower tier grant.

speaker-0: That's true. Yes, this is so circling back to the Kia, this is why the Kia's got ⁓ that they're only offering the large battery. Right. So the this is quite boring. But the the smaller battery on that Kia comes from China. Yeah. ⁓ 'cause L F P and they can't get any grant on that. Yeah. Whereas the bigger ones are from Hungary, which gives them a larger grant. That's

speaker-1: which then makes the cheaper cars more expensive. That's why they've done that. expensive cars.

speaker-0: Yeah. So that might be similar to the Renault, maybe. Yeah. Not sure.

speaker-1: think because of the price difference between the 40 kilowatt and the 52 kilowatt Renault 5s, they're not that far apart. ⁓ But imagine you'd probably be able to get good deals on the 40s if they're not selling. ⁓ But yeah, that's quite interesting. And just sort of going back to the Renault 5 refresh, I noticed it comes with more range. A whole seven miles more.

speaker-0: I know. Yeah. Same batteries. I'm not sure what they've done there. Must have found some efficiency somewhere.

speaker-1: Yeah. We change the tires. It could be as simple as that. Yeah. But yeah, I was kind of expecting if they're going to do a refresh, have a new pack in there. might be like 55, 60 kilowatt hours, but maybe that's coming for a facelift rather than just a little tweak. that, yeah, that'd be quite interesting to keep an eye on that. And the other thing I noticed about that, I kind of mentioned to Nissan and Paul was

speaker-0: Little cow.

speaker-1: the Renault 4. When they revealed that, I didn't think much of it. And I saw one at Everything Electric. It must have been last year. And in the metal, I think it looks better. And they have one there and it's in kind of a deep burgundy red. And I sat in it and ⁓ my God, it was so comfy. It was so unbelievably comfortable, that car.

speaker-0: I'm at the one, yeah.

speaker-1: But I have noticed that Nissan haven't brought out a note based on that. I thought they would have done. Yeah.

speaker-0: No. Yeah, maybe I I don't know. Maybe they just haven't haven't thought that it's worth doing.

speaker-1: Yeah. Cause the note used to be one of their like staples, didn't it? Yeah. And you still see them driving around on the road now.

speaker-0: Yeah. I do wonder if it's part of product 'cause you might just end up you might just end up with if every Nissan is a Renault, yeah, underneath, but not changed enough like Skoda and VW do, it's just like, ⁓ it's just the same thing. Yeah. So I think they probably want some some things that are different between them. Otherwise it just becomes a bit weird.

speaker-1: Yeah. I think if they do a note, it's got to look like a Nissan and not like a facelifted Renault four. Yeah. think that's, I guess like with the Renault five and the Nissan Micra, there's probably not enough distinction between the two. I mean, it's, they've got different lights front and back, but you can see just by glance, it's a Renault five under there. ⁓ have they launched them at the same time? You could say. it's shared and they've just, but it kind of looks like Nissan have coming afterwards and, you know, they've, said, is what you've got. You just have to put new lights on it.

speaker-0: I think it's quite good though. Yeah. I just think the in maybe the interior is just a little bit not as jazzy, but some people Yeah. So I th I don't I don't think I don't think anyone outside of like the automotive journalist space actually cares. Right. I think it's only people inside of this space that actually like, ⁓ it's just a just a Nissan. Yeah. I don't I think some people

speaker-1: Yeah, some people would prefer that.

speaker-0: I think a lot of people won't even know that they're the same. No. Some people don't like Renault's, some people don't like Nissan's. And so I just think it's gonna they'll it'll do well for both companies, I think.

speaker-1: Exactly. The wider public won't really care. It's yeah, it's just nerds like us. Yeah. ⁓

speaker-0: Speaking about small EVs though, we were talking about your mother Yeah. ⁓ before we started recording. ⁓ and you were saying that she's got quite a large car that she just uses by herself. Yes. And you were trying to convince her to get an E V of some sort.

speaker-1: Yes. Yeah. So she's currently driving a 2019 BMW X3. Right. And she's probably similar height to you, five foot two. Sorry. Had to get that in there. ⁓ Wouldn't be a podcast here without one, it? ⁓ And yeah, she's, she's bumbling around in this big, big car. She's always liked big cars and she's always driven ferociously fast everywhere.

speaker-0: Thank you so much.

speaker-1: Nice. And she hasn't slowed down and she's 86. Good on her. But she thinks she now needs to change and get something smaller. she kind of suggested this a few years ago, but didn't want to let go of her car because she likes it so much. And so over the years, she's kind of said, I'd like a petrol or like a hybrid or like a plugin hybrid. Now she's onto an EV. I need to find her an appropriately sized EV, but she has a list of demands. It's got to have a high driving point and it can't be Chinese. I don't think she knows what a Chinese car looks like.

speaker-0: That's the MD Cyberstar at the crazy then. Yeah.

speaker-1: I don't think she'd know MG was Chinese though. I think she still thinks it's pretty.

speaker-0: I do wonder how many people actually know it's Chinese at this point.

speaker-1: don't know. Yeah. I mean, you open the bonnet of Nikki's MG and it's got S-A-I-C written all over the components. And she loves China because she's been there a few times. Yeah. So I don't know why she doesn't want a Chinese car. Anyway. So I've got to find her a reasonably priced new or pre-registered EV that kind of fits the short but tall criteria.

speaker-0: Yeah.

speaker-1: that isn't Chinese, although I'm sure I could probably get her a Chinese car she wouldn't know. so yeah, I've got, I've got my usual family challenge on it's either my brother and nor, or my sister with their list of demands. And I think I was telling you earlier, wasn't I, my sister had like, ⁓ she wanted to get a new car and her list of demands for it was like, has to be, it has to be really basic is what she said. So I can find her a cheap car. And then I present the cheap car to her and she's like, ⁓ it doesn't have this in it. Doesn't have that in it. it's like, do you want a top of the range car? So, ⁓ and then started looking around for all sorts for her and she came out of a, there's a say at Arona, like the little compact crossover thing, ⁓ which my niece now has, she hates and, ⁓ don't tell anyone. and. I tried to find loads of cars, really good prices for my sister. And she went completely off script and ignored her own list of demands. And she fell in love with a Hyundai i20 because the parcel shelf folded in a way that she approved of. And that was her only reason for buying it. So it's quite interesting, isn't it? Because with matron journalists, they write all about the cars and what they're like and et cetera. completely disregard it because there's a fancy parcel shelf. So, yeah. So, ⁓ it's almost impossible to find what my family looking for. Cause I don't know what they're looking for themselves until they find it. and my brother-in-law sometimes listens to me and sometimes doesn't. ⁓ and he was determined he didn't want a car with a plug on it and ended up with a plug-in hybrid Hyundai Tucson, right. Which he then never plugged in. So whenever he came around. Forcibly plug the car in and give it some charge at least But he's looking for a new car as well. So I've got my mum. I'm at my sister's now ready to replace her I-20, right? Okay and So I've got my my mum I think is a priority case. Yeah, I'll sort her out first and then I'll look at my sister and my brother-in-law And they'll probably ignore everything that I say and find something quirky about a car that they love. Yeah, it's just how it goes Yeah

speaker-0: I was thinking maybe cars that are small and high up, you probably got the Insta, which is a nice car.

speaker-1: Yeah. The Insta's a lovely car. I really enjoyed driving that. I really did. I had like a gym moment. You know, like when he got into the PV5 ⁓ and the EV2 and it's like, know, his eyes just kind of like lit up. Yeah. Yeah. was like that with the Insta. Yeah.

speaker-0: He's like that with instant coffee to be fair. Spare. yeah, I ⁓ I I'd actually get Insta, 100%. Yeah. My girlfriend doesn't like boxy cars. It's like

speaker-1: I think that styling kind of divides people, doesn't it? It's a brilliant car, but the styling just divides people.

speaker-0: Yeah, so I'd I'd I'd consider a supern if the range wasn't as not quite as good as it hopefully would, but she just didn't like the styling 'cause it's quite boxy and quite Yeah.

speaker-1: Yeah. Cause that's good for about 128 miles, isn't it? And the Insta's about 220, I think.

speaker-0: Yeah. ⁓ the Insta. I think yeah, two two seven I saw on the screen when I had one. And that was in the winter. Yeah. That's lovely.

speaker-1: That is, I think it's a fantastic car. And the other one that you mentioned for my mum was the Kia EV2. ⁓ yeah. Which I saw at SMMT and they weren't offering it for a test drive then. But they let me crawl in it and prod things and stuff. And I thought it was a great, great car. Obviously it didn't know the price at the time. now they've kind of released that specs and I've seen your videos and whatever. you know, Jim's eyeballs popping out. Yep. With the EV2 Air, I think it's fantastic.

speaker-0: I agree, I agree. The air was ⁓ unfortunately at that I think the launch event I was saying to Jim on the few episodes ago that the rain was so bad that day. I think that launch event was quite long, so it had quite a lot of days available. Yeah. And the weather was just really good on most of the days apparently. And the day I was there it just awful. So I I managed to drive both the air and the G T line. Yeah. And the air is just the best one.

speaker-1: Which is unusual because we've had a summer that's just been barren of rain. no. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's quite spectacular to pick the wrong day for that

speaker-0: Yeah.

speaker-1: How did it drive? cause I've driven the Insta and I thought that was incredible fun, that thing. How does it compare? How's EV2 compared to the Insta?

speaker-0: I'd say it feels 'cause obviously i the Insta is a little bit smaller. Yeah. And the E V two's a little a little bit wider. ⁓ so it feels a little bit more stable on the road. The Insta's quite it's quite tall and quite it doesn't it doesn't feel like it's gonna fall over. But I the E V two feels maybe not quite as fun, but it feels really, really sensible. Yeah. But it it just does it in such a very composed way. Okay. It just feels like

speaker-1: Night.

speaker-0: It feels very grown up to drive. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes with a lot of the like you're reminded how how far ahead all the other manufacturers are ahead of the Chinese cars sometimes. Yeah. Because some of the Chinese cars, they're really good, but they're missing that last little bit of finesse. Yes. And you get in a Volkswagen, you get in a Kia for the most part. Yeah. This has been just that final edge. The Chinese will get though eventually.

speaker-1: a polished car. ⁓ they've got that. And a lot of these Chinese manufacturers, they're kind of setting up almost R &D centers in the UK, aren't they, to kind of probably to polish that last few cent of the car and make it feel like it's a European car. So that'd be interesting to see how those Chinese manufacturers evolve over time in the UK and how they develop their products.

speaker-0: Yeah. But no, E V two is is i yeah. I'd I'd recommend that to anyone after a yeah. A small car.

speaker-1: I'm going to have to show that to my mum. mean, how, like the other car that my mum sort of showed interest in, although she didn't know what it was, was the Cherry Tiggo 4. ⁓ yeah. And when I drove that, I hated it.

speaker-0: So I drove that yesterday as well. Yeah. And I thought it was quite nice. So ⁓ but I drove that on the road and you would I think

speaker-1: Huh. OK. I took it around the Alpine circuit at Millbrook and tried to make it do things it wasn't designed for.

speaker-0: No, so for those who don't know, I think we spoke about in the podcast before, but the Millbrook thing we went to in May, it's like you've got banking curves, you've got that big bowl, it's not suitable for running the mill cars at all.

speaker-1: And I went on, on the rumbles as well. Yeah. And it was kind of jumping around on that. Yeah. I was thinking, you know, that's kind of like replicating coming across rough roads and stuff. And I was thinking, would my mum like that? don't know. Cause she's quite particular about the type of car she drives.

speaker-0: No, I thought I thought the Tigger for I took it on the road, ⁓ 'cause that's the SMMT event yesterday. Yeah. ⁓ you only it's at some sort of hotel. So that you all you had were the roads in that area, which is quite nice because you don't usually get the chance to take those cars on the road at SMMT. Right. ⁓ I thought it was really well done for the price. It's incredible at twenty grand.

speaker-1: And it's got everything in it. Absolutely everything. think like, I think my mum would be fine driving it. The only thing I can say that would put her off knowing my mum and my family was she's got in the boot of her ⁓ X3, she's got these kind of wire baskets, like white ones. And she goes to the garden center like every day pretty much, or ⁓ &S to get some lunch or something. And she fills those baskets up. But in the boot of that to go full on the right hand side, there's a lump in the floor. ⁓ the basket. Yeah. And that would annoy her. Yeah. Because she couldn't get a basket in there.

speaker-0: Yeah. But the sounds of things, I think you're saying she does like fifty miles a day. Yeah. ⁓

speaker-1: I mean, it's probably the maximum she'll do in a day. Yeah. I know. that was, but that was when she was in a hybrid phase that I mentioned the TIG 04 and she kind of liked the idea of it. Now she's in her EV mindset. ⁓ and I didn't push her down the EV route. was like, just tell me what you want. And I'll go and find something. ⁓ but she's come to the conclusion she wants an EV and, so trying to find something that's, cause that TIG 04 was like,

speaker-0: Perfect. Perfect for an EV.

speaker-1: the right height off the ground, the right length for her. It was really nicely appointed inside, I have to say. It felt really good quality, lovely materials. And I thought she'd absolutely love that. But if they did an EV version of that, I think that would be a contender. Even if only did 250 miles, that would be a contender. So it's a shame they don't have that. But yeah, I've... ⁓

speaker-0: Good.

speaker-1: Got the challenge now for the rest of the year to try and find cars for my family, which they'll all ignore me and my advice. yeah, choose whatever they, you know, pops out at them like a fancy parcel shelf.

speaker-0: remember saying to you on on Twitter or X ⁓ the other day, I think you replied to me and I I agreed with it. I drove the Dolphin G, which is they they say it's the world's first plug-in hybrid super mini. Yeah. And I was I was thinking my end of the day, I was thinking it's this could just this could just be an EV. And I think you said the same thing. Yeah. ⁓ and someone commented on the video, and I I haven't I haven't checked if this is actually the case. But apparently there's something to do with the tariffs on plug-in hybrids, right? Compared to EVs. Yeah. So the plug-in hybrid Chinese cars. They don't have as much ⁓ as much of a a sting on the on the import tax. And that might be why we're seeing so many at the moment.

speaker-1: Because the import tax into the UK is 10 % in Europe from China. It's punitive, isn't it? Yeah, it's really high. but that's on, is that only on EVs? So the Chinese are then flooding the European market plug-in high.

speaker-0: I believe so. Because I was thinking, why are BYD s like pushing so many plug in hybrids lately? 'Cause a lot of the events that me and Jim have been to, they've lately they've been primarily plug in hybrid stuff. 'Cause the last E V one I went to from BYD was the little s dolphin surf and that was ⁓ ages ago. It's like year and a half ago. Every event we've been to since has been plug in hybrid.

speaker-1: That dolphin G is like bigger than the surf isn't it? It's a proper B segment. It's bigger than the polo. Yeah.

speaker-0: ⁓ it's bigger than Polo. It's quite a good sized car. It's a nice it's a nice little thing. But even even AutoCars review, which I was quite surprised by, their final comment was this could have been an E V. Yeah. In their in their like but and good and bad thing at the end.

speaker-1: wonder if there is an EV version in China.

speaker-0: So this Dolphin G, without getting on to it too much, is it's a bespoke car for Europe.

speaker-1: ⁓ okay. Right. So yeah. Yeah. That's a shame. Yeah. yeah. Hmm. That, that would be, that'd be a cracking car, I think. Yeah. If that was fully electric. I mean, it seems like the specs on it seem really good. Two battery sizes. larger one with DC charging as well. It's brilliant to drive. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's interesting.

speaker-0: It's awesome. Two Yeah. But yeah. I think that does about does it for this episode. Thanks so much for joining me. Pleasure. It's always good to talk EVs and small cars and stuff. The the bit of hype bullying that gets slipped into there. So yeah, there we go. ⁓ I know you do some writing for Jim's website, but where can people find you online, J ⁓ Graham?

speaker-1: ⁓ it's a very good question.

speaker-0: Gino.

speaker-1: Not a guru.co.uk of course. then another website that I write for is Control Alt Refuel. So control and alt like you see on your keyboard. ⁓ Control Alt Refuel. So there's three of us on there, myself, Newt and Paul. ⁓ And there's a few others as well, like Thomas Daby from Scotland. He does car reviews. So he's doing a few car reviews for us as well. And then you can find me on exit at Graham Cobb. it? I don't know.

speaker-0: I think so, yeah. You should know.

speaker-1: I don't know, there might be an underscore in it, I'm not sure.

speaker-0: We'll put it the description if if if if not. But yeah. ⁓ you can find my car reviews at the Interface Cars and occasional written bits at theinterface.uk. But yeah, thank you so much for joining me. Thanks for watching or listening and we'll see you again next time.