Jason Harwood: Welcome. We are back. This is Talking Grit. I am Jason Harwood. With me is my buddy, Jacob Litton. We're going talk about the Lions. We got some mock drafts we're going to do. We were supposed to have a guest today, Peter from the Draft Hub. As of right now, he's stuck at work, we're trying, well, he may join us later on. So if he does, cool. If not, we're going to run through these mock drafts. Jacob and I are prepared. But Jacob, were you prepared? for the Lions, I read for the Wolverines to win the national championship on Monday.

Jacob Litton: I was prepared. ⁓ I don't like to speak these things into existence because I believe in the jinx, the bad karma. But absolutely, mean, all season long, they played like a championship team. So definitely saw that coming. Yukon played a very tough game though, and they had me nervous for most of the second half.

Jason Harwood: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they, they definitely played. mean, to me was like Michigan played one of their worst games of the tournament. Maybe even the worst game. Yeah. Did not, ⁓ you know, Lendeboros was hurt. that did not help at all. ⁓ you could tell he was a shell of himself. He even said that he sucked. like, I don't know if you saw like the halftime speech and afterwards he was like, yeah, I suck. I can't do what I need to do, but.

Jacob Litton: It was the worst game of the tournament for him, for sure.

Jason Harwood: And Mara was missing those shots early on too, those little baby hooks. And I was like, come on guys, get these nerves down. ⁓

Jacob Litton: Yeah, the three pointer thing kind of killed the first half because if we even hit three of those, that's a nine point advantage that we're adding on to the lead we already had. Plus, it's just slowing them down a little bit more. So it was one of those things where I was like, I mean, we're going to figure it out. We're going to figure it out. We got to figure it out. And as the game is going on, we're still we hit a few of them. But we just were a way different team with Cadeau out there. So when he had to get pulled early on because of foul trouble, you know.

Jason Harwood: Yes. ⁓ no. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Jacob Litton: He deserved to be the most outstanding player for sure and shots out to yaks though. Like you said just I mean If he's healthy, that's probably another 30-point win the fact that he's out there just you know as a threat and to help Defensively, it's not as fast. He's not explosive. Like he was not able to do anything. Even his shots were not really smooth. They weren't falling ⁓ But for him to play the whole first half

Jason Harwood: ⁓ man. No. One thing. Yeah, the thing that I liked in the second half is he did, you know, he managed to drive to the hoop every once in while and he drove to the hoop, missed that shot, but then got his own tip in. And I thought that that was crazy because like they had to hurt like heck to be able to, you know, stop jump like that and then jump, you know, keep hopping back up on that. But, yeah, great. Go Wolverines. It's nice to have, you know, football two years ago and Now basketball two years later. Love it. All right. Let's move on to the Lions. Before we get to draft talk, Avante Maddox is back ⁓ ⁓ am very happy about that. Although, know, my panic mode goes in when I think about Kirby, but what do you think about them getting back?

Jacob Litton: Awesome. I think it just makes sense, right? We still need more safety help. We don't know what's going on with Kirby, which I don't know if that really even factored in. It's just, know, Avante played well for us last year. He's a veteran. It made a lot of sense to bring him back. I don't have any contract details. I don't know if they've announced that yet, but I mean, I doubt that, you know, it's much of a pay increase from what he got before.

Jason Harwood: There. I bet you it's a bet minimum is what I'm betting. And very low. I could tell you that and it'll be interesting if there's any guaranteed money. I'm going to bet no. But there might be a little bit and I mean, I know there's going to be some guaranteed money. I'll rephrase that. But I don't think the contracts going to be guaranteed. So he'll probably get some sort of small minimal buying signing bonus. And that's it. What do you do you think this has anything to do with Kirby?

Jacob Litton: Yeah, maybe some incentive.

Jason Harwood: Or do you think that this was gonna happen regardless of where Kirby's progress is?

Jacob Litton: I don't think it had anything to do with Kirby. I don't know what they would be able to know about Kirby now that they didn't already know before. I mean, it's been up and down throughout the entire season. They weren't sure. It seemed like, know, hey, he might play next week. Oh, maybe he won't for a whole, you know, six week period. Then he's out and he tries to come back. I mean, we've talked about it before. Hopefully it's not going to be something that lingers and that's just how it's going to be from now on. But we need the safety help and Avante makes sense. The timing of it, I think, is a little bit weird. I don't know if maybe Avanti was exploring other options or something or it was just no rush.

Jason Harwood: Maybe he was thinking about retiring and maybe he just decided to come back. mean, it could be anything like that. We do have a pretty loaded as far as numbers concern, ⁓ safety room right now. So it makes you think like, do we have room to even draft one? although we could cut someone and move on Dan Jackson's right. Yeah. Dan Jackson's spots. Not, you know, not, you know,

Jacob Litton: True. You're always trying to get better, right?

Jason Harwood: locked in stone. There's other guys that they can move. Lawrence Strickland, can move on from even Avante Maddox. They could say, you know, thanks for joining us, but they're also very versatile. A lot of those guys, some of those guys could play, a lot of the guys could play nickel. A lot, some of the guys could even bounce out the outside corner. So there is some flexibility there that I do like. So you could add some, you know, you got some variability with your roster construction, construction, but I'm just happy to have Avante Maddox back. You have You know, someone with experience of starting back there, obviously big, you know, playoff experiences with being in the Superbowl. Nothing's going to scare him. get into some high pressure games. So I'm happy with the Vonte coming back. I think it's a good, a good depth signing. And obviously last year and with Kirby and Branch, you don't know what you're going to get. So it's just good to have good depth there. Before we move on here, Dan Pask is asking you something, Jacob. He must have missed last week. So we're going to say, is Jacob using a backdrop photo or is there's lion's man cave coming along?

Jacob Litton: Hey, Dan, yes, the man keeps coming along, man. It's the home office now. I got one of the gigs like Jason where I'm going to be able to work remotely from home. So I have an office area now. Haven't started working remotely yet, but I have an office area. I've got the lion's backdrop on the wall. I don't know how much you can see. I've got a few things going.

Jason Harwood: ⁓ you can see everything. see the Hutchers, the Johnson, you got your signed football up there. Yeah, we could see it. Is that the bad boys hat? Is that a bad boys hat?

Jacob Litton: Yeah, man. I got a Bad Boys hat, I got my Grant Hill, you know, they call them the City Edition or whatever now, but it's the teal pistons. See, ⁓ lot of my collectibles that were not safe ⁓ ⁓ were in extreme danger last time. Now ⁓ good.

Jason Harwood: Nice. Yeah. Yep. So it's good. We got Jacob all set and we'll be able to, ⁓ in case you missed it, Dan, we might be doing some earlier shows too, like, ⁓ earlier in the morning. Cause, Jacob's got this new job set up. it's, it's, we're, we're going to kind of play it by ear and see how this all works out, but ⁓ might be a possibility. got WMW2 in chat. glad to have you in there. He said, get Michigan a hockey title. ⁓ Western Michigan had one and that was cool.

Jacob Litton: Yes.

Jason Harwood: As a Broncos grad, ⁓ or not grad, but I guess, or whatever you want to call it. go but yeah, I might get Wolverines. ⁓ Anything away from the Spartans. ⁓ They need to get anything. All right, so no, no, they're not, and that's okay. Jacob, the beast came out today.

Jacob Litton: Yeah, right. The Spartans aren't even close.

Jason Harwood: If you guys don't know what the beast is, it's put out by Dave Brugler on the athletic. If you're interested in the draft at all, Jacob and I both recommend just getting, if you don't have a subscription to athletic, get it for like one month. You get it real cheap. Almost any information that you want on a prospect is in there. It is, it is amazing. So, Jacob love, what's your favorite part about ⁓ the Jacob?

Jacob Litton: I I just think it's the most in-depth one that's out there. If you go to like, ⁓ you know, NFL.com or ESPN, you're going to see, you know, usually one, one or two of the players like strengths and weaknesses. And once you do like two or three players, they all start to sound the same. This doesn't sound the same. This is like in depth. It's got like more information about the player on a personal level. It's got the pronunciation guide. I love that. So I'm not just butchering these names. Just Combine measurements pro day measurements if they did that I love that they put like what scouts or what? like coaching staff and stuff like Quotes that they're saying about these players, too I like reading into that and seeing what the team says about like, you know The you know pros and cons strengths weaknesses. I just love this I've been waiting for this one to come out so I can dive in really deep because it's not the same me and my limited time trying to do my research and doing my You know watching tape and stuff like that ⁓

Jason Harwood: Yes.

Jacob Litton: Love being able to reference this.

Jason Harwood: Yes, it's great. And if you hear about a prospect too, right, you got this, you could just know right where to go. And you could get like 95 % of the information you want to get to me. The other 5 % is watching some, you know, watches, some YouTube highlights or tape that you can get ahold of it is So I highly recommend getting this, the, so everyone the number one overall prospect on there is Arvel Reese. He has number is actually Jeremiah loved the running back out of Notre Dame. So I was kind of surprised to see him all the way up at number two. there's this draft, just looking at like where the rankings are, there are a lot of non-premier that are ranked really, really high. ⁓ so me, this is a draft that you could get like a top 10 talent later on. And, ⁓ know, on the draft and the lines are in this prime position that they could either one could fall in their lap. I know we want to tackle. know that everyone wants that, but there could be a player that falls to us later in this draft just because it's ⁓ a premier position. So get ready for a surprise. It could happen. Even Brian Holmes may fall in love with one of these guys and jump up in a couple of spots to get ⁓ too. it's next week. The draft's next week or two weeks, right? Two weeks from tomorrow. ⁓ I'm really looking forward to it. ⁓

Jacob Litton: right. Cannot wait.

Jason Harwood: When you looked at this, Jacob, were there any ⁓ names that you like wanted to go right away and look them up to get the information that you wanted?

Jacob Litton: There are a handful of people that I was like, okay, yes, I wanna see what they say. I always like seeing the Michigan players ⁓ just to start there because those I kind of have a better beat on what I've seen with my own eyes and more in depth as the season goes on. So I like looking at the Michigan players first, especially when there's one like towards the top, there's not really this year. But ⁓ yeah, and then just people that I'm interested in the lines taking.

Jason Harwood: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. No. Yeah.

Jacob Litton: Every single offensive tackle on edge that might be there, I've clicked and tried to look through each one. It just came out today, so I have not had as much time as I'd like, but I dive in deep. And then once we draft that person, I'm right back there again trying to read the strengths, weaknesses, and see what we got.

Jason Harwood: Yeah, I know. I am- Yeah. Or like during the draft, it's nice. You could be like, kind of like, see, okay, this is the way the board's falling. And, you know, everyone, you know, everyone has got their own draft board. When you look at Darryl Jeremiah, know, Bucky Brooks, they all have these, these draft boards. So, you know, you could always reference a player and be like, oh, they're this, they're, they're 50 on Darryl Jeremiah's, but then you look on Dave Brueger's, they may be 70 or later. So it's kind of interesting, you know, there's obviously some personal preference in there. And then when you get into like specific team needs, you know, the rankings will be totally different for what the lions want compared to what the bears want or, you know, the Vikings want, you know, or whatever. ⁓ so that'll be interesting.

Jacob Litton: Right. That's where it helps to having the Lions aspect of it, because if you're, you know, not that I know too much about like what Daniel Jeremiah does, but I mean, those those guys are looking like, OK, the Lions need edge. They're probably looking whatever tackle corner. But there's a specific kind of corner that we're going to want. There is a specific kind of edge that we're going to want. You can't just plug and play whatever edge that's on this list for these guys. And I think that's where. Which is not their fault either. mean, there's 32 teams. There's a lot of scouting. There's a lot of stuff. You got to go into this.

Jason Harwood: yes, exactly. So you see a guy like Cashless Howell or someone get mocked to the Lions and you're like, that's ⁓ a Lions edge. You know, that's not someone that they're going to want. Not for at what you'd have to give up draft capital ⁓ If you get that same type of player later on the draft, Lions would probably be okay with that, but they're not going to spend a first round on a guy that's a pure pass rusher. not, you know, they're going to require some sort of, you know, holding the edge. you know, defending the run. So I will say that next week, Eric Schlut will be on, that will be a very lion centric draft. We, I've already been getting my questions ready for Eric. It's like our own personal mailbag for like an hour or so. So, ⁓ and you guys come in the chat, you guys will be able to, you know, I can't promise that we'll get to every question because obviously we only have limited time with Eric, but you know, we, would love.

Jacob Litton: Yeah, right.

Jason Harwood: be able to get your questions to Eric and, ⁓ or some version of them. If we combine questions and we're not really sure if we're going to do a mock with Eric or Eric likes to talk and I like to listen to them talk. So we probably just ask questions and learn a bunch about what the lines are going to do this year. We got them like a week before the draft last year. It was like before the grid index come out. We spent a lot of time talking about that. We'll ask them a little bit about the advances in the grid index, but then it's going to be straight draft talk for whatever. time Eric gives us, you know, we plan on at least an hour. So, uh, all right, Jacob. Yeah, it's going to be awesome. Let's get it. You want to get in some mocks? You want, you want to do this up? All right. So how I thought we would do this. And if you're okay with this, Jacob, we got, I thought there's like, there's a ton of different simulators out of there. So I was going to just do a few different ones because the ratings are different and therefore, you know, the players available are different.

Jacob Litton: Can't wait for that. I am ready, man. Let's do this. Right, right.

Jason Harwood: And then I thought we'd do is just straight draft, no trades early on. And if at end, maybe we'll have a trade where we could do a couple of trades, either trade up, trade, you know, trade up or trade back depending on what's available to us. Does that sound good to you? All right.

Jacob Litton: Okay, yeah. So we're doing multiple mock drives. The first one we're not going to do any trades. The second one we might explore.

Jason Harwood: Yeah, it's certain some of these websites are easier to use and I'm only going let's do only up through round four. I'm not getting crazy with this thing because I don't I mean, I don't know the draft prospects at the end of this draft and I normally

Jacob Litton: Yeah. Well, if you do third round four, that's three picks, right? Four picks, two picks, yeah.

Jason Harwood: four picks, four picks. No, yeah, four picks because we had two in the fourth. ⁓ Two in the fourth and I would probably only really do the third, a three rounder, but since we don't have a third round pick that really only gives us a two rounder. So that's why I'm choosing four if you're cool with that. And then we're going to...

Jacob Litton: Two in the fourth, but yeah. Right, right. Absolutely. I mean, this is the kind of draft where we if we're not trading up, we need to hit on these fourth round picks to where they need to be people that, you know, can be contributors if needed.

Jason Harwood: Yep. so also I want to tell you, so if you're live, obviously you're to be able to see it on our screen. If you listen to us just on Spotify or Apple, I mean, we're going to try to describe what's going on, who is available. So you could still, this is not like a totally visual thing. However, if you do want the visual version, you go to our YouTube channel, we'll have it up there. Spotify also carries video. So if like, if it's something that you could, you know, you do it on your phone or whatever. we have the video uploaded too. So if you want to see like who's available on your screen as we're looking, you go ahead and do that. But it's not, we're going to try to describe this to make it, you know, so the, the visuals aren't like needed to understand what's going on. And I thought we would just kind of maybe when it gets Alliance pick, we'd talk about who were just drafted ahead of it, Jacob, just so that everyone kind of knows what's in there. If that sounds cool to you. All right. Let me, I'm getting it up. Yeah, we're going to do,

Jacob Litton: Yep.

Jason Harwood: We're going to do ESPN first and then...

Jacob Litton: Have you done any these mock drafts? I have not used any of these.

Jason Harwood: Yeah, I was I was messing around with them. I was messing around with them the last week or so just to kind of remember one just so I was kind of prepared when when I was doing this, but also just to kind of see, you know, where each of these things had players ranked and who felt aligned. So. Round four mark on the screen right now is the ESPN one. I let me see what other ones we have. What other ones I lined up? So I have the pro football network one we'll probably do next. And then there's NFL mock draft database. We're going to do that. So mock draft simulator. So those are the three that I'm going to try and we'll see how goes. So let's start this draft. So Mendoza goes number one. Let's just look and see here. All right. So I could get our guys off the screen here. So Ticep's that goes right up before us to the Jets. Fano went. 15 to the Buccaneers, Proctor went to 13 to the Rams, Monroe Freeling went to the Cowboys. I don't like our tackle prospects right here, Jacob. So, then Mawanoa went number four to the Titans. So, if you wanted to do a tackle, know, we are, you know, Blake Miller's out there. Let's see here. You know, have Blake Miller, you could do... Yeah, what else is out there? Okay, long moves out there. Man, that's rough. I don't know. ⁓ I if the board fell like this, Fanu went mineral feeling went proctor went. Are you still are you going to want to do you know, what's that ot tackle five? Is that what you're you're going to want to go there or you want to go somewhere else? Because I could tell you where I probably lean.

Jacob Litton: No.

Jason Harwood: ⁓ Mesador is out there and I am very interested in that. ⁓ he has not gone yet. ⁓ there's the two safeties out there, ⁓ Dylan Thienemann and then the Toledo safety McNeil Warren's out there. ⁓ cornerback, ⁓ Evian Terrell is out there. That's ⁓ or you could go with the other edge, Keldrick Falk, if that's what you want to do. I could tell you if the board fell like this, I'd be tempted to trade back a little bit.

Jacob Litton: Right, right. Right.

Jason Harwood: And then, cause I'd even trade back one or two spots because then I'm going to get Falk or Mesador, right? You're going to, you're going to, I want, I would want to probably want to get one of those. ⁓ and then maybe you could get a third round pick out of that. Like, I think you can get a, if you move back like two spots, you might be able to get a third rounder on, depending on where the third rounder sits. So, ⁓ looking at the board, the way it is Jacob, who I'll let you make the pick, man. Who are you going to go with here?

Jacob Litton: Well, just to say, I mean, so Mackay Lemon, the wider zero from USC, they've got him falling out of, you know, where they thought he was going to go. So he's dropped Kenyon's, the tight end. If I'm making the pick right here, there's no trades. I want Macedo. That's who I would want on the team is Macedo.

Jason Harwood: Mm-hmm. Okay, I'm... Okay. I am... I'm with you on that.

Jacob Litton: I don't love Lomu or Blake Miller here in this bot. Trade back would be great.

Jason Harwood: I think that trade back, yes. because I think like, okay, so if you're say like, if you're Brad Holmes, or you're like, gotta get if I don't think he thinks this is mine. But if he's like, if I come over this edge or tackle, I'd be okay. So if I trade back four or five spots, I'm probably guaranteed to get one of those, you one of the players that I covet. And then I get a third round pick out of it. And And another thought, we'll talk about that when we get a trade, but I'm going to go with Mesador here and then we can move on to the next, the next pick here. So we drafted edge. that means, you know, rethink a tackle. Um, the guy in edge, except for the people are like, yeah. All right. So let's just look right here, Jacob. So Gabe, Jacob is a, or an edge that I know a lot of Alliance fans are about.

Jacob Litton: It means Lions fans are super happy. Everybody is super stoked that we got Nedge in the first round. They're pre-ordering his jersey.

Jason Harwood: ⁓ he goes 44 and we're, picking at, ⁓ I think what we have 50. So he goes, he goes to, no, no, he's available. I'm sorry. These are the guys that are available. Sorry. I was looking at the list wrong. So, how do you say Max's name? The I Echador I could look it up. Yeah.

Jacob Litton: Right. Let's see. ⁓ Where's the beast? me look it up. I knew how to say this before because I've had him on my radar for a while.

Jason Harwood: Ahina Chor, I think it's... Yeah, exactly. Yeah. E-ha-na-chor. E-ha-na-chor. It starts with an E sound. So E-ha-na-chor, like if he fell to number 48, I could see the lions like trying to jump that, like getting into that spot. Cause then you could try to move up. You got those two fourth rounders, you probably move up.

Jacob Litton: mehanachor. Yeah, right. Yes.

Jason Harwood: Zion Young, I know we drafted Edge, just to know where the Edges went, Zion Young went 37. ⁓ If the Lions were looking at linebackers, Jake Galday went 36 of the Raiders. So that was...

Jacob Litton: They've got Anthony Hill to the Jets, Gold Day to the Raiders, and then CJ Allen to the Texans. So there's been three linebackers going so far in round two.

Jason Harwood: Mm-hmm. Yeah right after the Lions picked Macedor the Vikings got their safety with McNeil Warren. They went with him. So all right, so On the board the top two players are wide receivers that are left on their board Gabe Jacobs should we could just draft Gabe Jacobs and then we get two edges right away Jacob and every Lions fan is Going crazy, right? We finally did it ⁓ I could tell you

Jacob Litton: No, they'd still be mad. They would still be mad. Either it's not the Edge that they wanted, or then we've wasted a pick on Edge, and why would we do that?

Jason Harwood: Would they still be man? Exactly. Don't draft him, you know, a couple years and then we get that. So I could tell you the players that I like that I just see here that would be interested is Kante Scott, the cornerback out of Miami. I really like him watching tape on him. I really like that. The other one that's intriguing to me just because, ⁓ you know, like Brett Whitefield really likes this guy. Eric Schlitt is not a huge Jennings Dunker fan. But if we're looking, if we feel like we need to get a tackle, like that could come in, that would be a guy that you're looking at. However, you know, he might project better as a guard, but not like we don't have a need for guard either. Like, you know, you could move him in over at, you know, if he doesn't make it like a tackle, you could have him at left guard as insurance or, you know, backup guard. So that'd be interesting. Is there... Any guys on here that I'm not mentioning that you like, Jacob?

Jacob Litton: The linebacker, Jacob Rodriguez. We already have a Rodrigo, so that would be an interesting combination there. But linebacker is a position of need. It'd be nice to get somebody like that. also, as soon as it popped up and I saw Keontae Scott, I was like, okay, that would be cool if we were able to get him there. The question then becomes though, if you were to take linebacker, if you were to take cornerback, then we have not addressed

Jason Harwood: Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

Jacob Litton: offensive line and now we don't have another pick until round four and the odds of you getting a guy in round four that potentially could play right away or you know

Jason Harwood: Yeah.

Jacob Litton: just drops it drops the the chance that he's gonna be a quality starter drops from round two to round four by a lot but you'd have to ⁓ this is the card we've been or you the hand we've been dealt if ⁓ dunkers the only one that's on there if That's not who you like. I mean keep scrolling down. Who's the next tackle after that listed on here?

Jason Harwood: It is way down there. I mean, that is going to be your life. mean, Caleb, there's Caleb Tiernan who is, ⁓ that would be it. That would be an option. ⁓ although there's questions about him as well, but I think almost every, I think almost everybody is, ⁓ you know, every, all these linemen have holes, even in the first round, they have holes. ⁓ there's no like,

Jacob Litton: Right.

Jason Harwood: You know, even like Maui Noah now, I don't know if he the report is going in to have more scans on his back just to like alleviate some concerns that he has, you know, and that, you know, it's good that he's going to do in that, but, you know, could that make him fall? And if he does, you know, if he gets into past 10, I think he's in line striking distance and Brian Holmes would go up and get that guy. I, this is This is the dilemma that I've come up with, but every time I've done a mock and not taken a tackle in the first round is that you're really, really, really, you're really worried about the tackle or the offensive lineman you're going to get in the second round at pick 50, unless you, you know, jump up a little bit and get him. I feel like the play almost is to get the tackle in the first round and then. And then, you know, you've figured out what, what are the position you need? you know, the edges there, or if you go with your linebacker. Linebacker is a sneaky pick with Alex and just depending on the scheme and stuff, it's going to be interesting. Safety is a concern because we don't know what's going on. That's why I Keontae Scott. He could play corner. He's definitely played nickel. Very good instincts, but he reminds me of like a branch type player that can go all, you know, all over. So I do like, I do like that. ⁓ The other sneaky, sneaky, sneaky thing is

Jacob Litton: Right.

Jason Harwood: Jaderian price though running back out of Notre Dame, know, you know what I mean? Like that would just piss everybody off. But when you're talking about value and, what you need to, you know, you know, what the lines like to do. Yes, there are. And that's why I've said, if he were to fall this far, there, the value that Brad Holmes covet would be there if he feels like he's the playmaker.

Jacob Litton: Wow man. There's some first round rumblings about that guy.

Jason Harwood: I could tell you this, just out of my own feeling, I would probably go with Dunker in this position because of what we chose in the first round. But I would not be mad about Kante Scott. I would not be mad about Jacob Rodriguez if you like him. since you did the first one, I'm going to go with Dunker on the second one if you're cool with that.

Jacob Litton: That, hey, that's fair. I don't like that pick. That's fair.

Jason Harwood: All right. Who would you have went with just so I know out of.

Jacob Litton: If that's exactly how it played and I had to pick right there, I would have took Hionte Scott probably.

Jason Harwood: Yeah. I've done a couple of mocks where I've taken him and I would not be mad about that pick. I think the fans would be pissed. I think they'd be like, why you drafted a quarterback, a cornerback when we, obviously need offensive linemen, but he

Jacob Litton: But the offensive lineman, if that's who we get, ⁓ he's not a ready tackle, right? You don't know if he's playing tackle or guard and you don't know what you're getting. If the whole point of getting a tackle that early is because you need him to be a starter, hopefully by next year, I don't think you take a question mark in the second round.

Jason Harwood: Yep. All right, we're up now.

Jacob Litton: But like you said, and your point for taking him is that if you don't take the chance on that guy right there, then your odds of hitting on anybody are so low, you might as well not even draft a tackle at that point.

Jason Harwood: ⁓ yeah. Exactly. You're drafting them for the future and...

Jacob Litton: or then you're getting a Manu or somebody later that you're hoping that you strike gold on and we know how that's worked out.

Jason Harwood: Now the other, yeah, you I don't, you know, you could also say, you know, okay, we're happy with, you know, what we have a tackle already, but we know that some people are going to be cut at some point. So you could, you could play that game too. We're okay. We're going to take what we can get now. And then we're going to get, you know, we're going to look for the tackle market after, after the draft and, and go from there. ⁓ it's been depressed as far as like money wise. So I, you know, it's. it might not cost you as much. probably had to restructure a contract to get, you know, to get that in there, but you know, it would be worth it, obviously. ⁓ because Boram, if we could, you know, Boram may be able to start in a pitch. Like I, my feeling about Boram is okay. Like if one of our starting tackles gets hurt and he comes in, okay, that's, that is what it is. I want him as a swing tackle and being out there on run plays and, and doing his, you know, so we could just run the ball really well. but in and just being a spot starter if we need it for an injury. That's my thought on Borum. With Dunker, Borum's probably starting the season out and then we're hoping that Dunker's taken over by the end of the season unless he's getting kicked inside the guard if the draft went this way. So Jacob, we got edge first round tackle, which is like how most people feel like the draft is gonna go. What position or what player are you looking for in the fourth round here? ⁓ I could tell you some guys that I'm kind of interested in. ⁓

Jacob Litton: I mean, the first one that jumps out of me right here is Nick Singleton, the running back. But you know, that's, that's tough. It's not that we don't need a running back necessarily, right? I mean, like he, he could provide value, but there's other positions of need that are higher. Um, in this scenario, we have not taken a defensive back yet. So I think that that might be where we're looking. Um, you see, is it to Tocario Davis down there for Washington?

Jason Harwood: Okay. Yeah. Okay. There's also this Will Lee from Texas A ⁓ I'm not really familiar with him too much. I'll tell you a safety that I've kind of been looking at is Bishop Fitzgerald out of USC. He just seems like a guy that's always in the right place. I kind of like him. ⁓ You know, another sneaky need that we need is ⁓ defensive tackle, like nose tackle help too. You know what I mean? I know we spent money on the lean. got Ty leak in the first round, but, ⁓ you know, with DJ Reed gone and, ⁓ DJ Reed are gone and then, ⁓ Lopez gone. We, we could also need some, you know, defensive tackle helps. I don't think that that's wrong pick either too. So do you have any thoughts on where, where would you go? I'm gonna let you pick on this one. So yeah. Sure. ⁓ sorry.

Jacob Litton: Right. Scroll down a little bit more. Let me see if you guys that are maybe not, you're going too fast.

Jason Harwood: Do I need to go up or you gotta, so you gotta go Drew Aller, quarterback out of Penn State, do it, pick him.

Jacob Litton: ⁓ no, I've got Can't go wrong there, right? As your big nose tackle, Ray Sean Benny from Michigan.

Jason Harwood: Mm-hmm.

Jacob Litton: No, I'm not loving any of these people that I'm seeing next on the list right here.

Jason Harwood: I know. Yep. All right, so who we want to go with? You can do your cornerback, Will Lee. Let's see, what does the beast have Will Lee ranked at?

Jacob Litton: I don't, I was just going to say, I don't know what I had Will Lee rank before, but I feel like to Cario Davis was one of those like a sneaky.

Jason Harwood: So Will Lee is a fifth round grade for quarterback 21 on the beast. You got. ⁓ This is quarterback 14 on ⁓ the beast, fourth round grade. they would have.

Jacob Litton: And you know, I remember now like why the name obviously has got a unique name, but right before we went live, I looked at like the way too early mock draft and to Cario Davis like ⁓ at the end of draft season last year when they were trying to look forward to this year, he was a top 10 pick. So, I mean, he's been respected. I'm going to say to Cario Davis is who we're going to take here.

Jason Harwood: Yeah. Okay. All right, let's do it. All right. Now we'll have another pick at the end of this round and we'll wrap that up. All right. So now Nick Singleton's available for your, for your still out there. ⁓ you know, you got go, you know, you could double up at edge. got George Grums, you got Joey Royer, tight end out of tenant, ⁓ Cincinnati.

Jacob Litton: Yeah.

Jason Harwood: could go with something like that. ⁓ Yeah, think, man, I almost want to go Nick Singleton just because. Let's see here. Eighth RB on fifth round grade. I mean, we're essentially, we're right at the end of the fourth round. So it wouldn't be an overplay on him. ⁓ He's in.

Jacob Litton: Right? That's tempting. Well, and this is ESPN, right? So ESPN has them ranked, it looks like it says 110th and this is pick 128.

Jason Harwood: Yeah. And he has kick return skills. So I like that. I'm going with Nick. Yeah. Yep. So there we go. All right. So that's what you happen if you get Macedora. So we get Macedora, which is going to improve our defense right away. Right. So I, I like that you Jennings, Docker gives us some offensive line help can either be on the outside or projects to be good on the inside. He's a lions player. He's a gritty player. He looks like he

Jacob Litton: Right. We talked about him in our preview before. Yeah, he has value.

Jason Harwood: belongs in Honolulu blue. Takario Davis sounds like he was, you know, maybe just didn't have a great year. ⁓ he is like a three or four year starter. So, mean, he's got plenty of starts under his belt. It is nice to get some quarterback depth. We don't know what rake straw is going to give us this year. Obviously we have rock. We don't know what's Tarion's going to happen. So I, I, I got that. And then, yeah, we get some cheap running back help with some kick return ability in the fourth round. I'm not complaining about it. what do you, what you think? Yup. All right. I am going to, we're going to do the next one here. Let's do the pro football network one. Know that the last, well, I think you could, the last one is the one that you could do, like it'll come up with trades for you like automatically.

Jacob Litton: I would be okay with that. Is that where you can trade?

Jason Harwood: And then, or you could do them yourself too. I don't know if you could do it in this one, but let's see. Let's do four rounds again. Dan Pass said we should have went tight end. He said tight end sounds good. And I think that tight end is a need for our team, especially long-term. When you think about draft, especially when you get later on, mean, you're not, you know, you don't necessarily look at what we need this year where you need to look, we'd look down the line, you know, with Sam Laporta, we're hoping to have him back. But after that, We have really no tight ends left on the roster. So it's good. Good point, Dan.

Jacob Litton: It is, but it's also outside of Kenyon Sadiq being a first round tight end. The other tight ends that are on there are all going to be, I don't have the beast pulled up, but I mean, they're not, there's one round one tight end. Eli Stowers one for Vanderbilt, maybe round one, but probably round two. Outside of that, I think there's probably a handful of people that are hovering around two, three, four. I mean, they're, I think they're going to be all like middle, middle of the pack, probably around four or five. There's going to be guys there that we can get.

Jason Harwood: Mm-hmm. There's. Mm-hmm. So this one does offer trades, Jacob. this one would be where I pick 17. Well, I, before I accept or deny these trades, they have, the 49ers offered us pick 27 and 58, so as we back up 10 spots. So we kind of look to see who's available and then we could go from there. The next trade would be with the Eagles. The Eagles want our 17th pick.

Jacob Litton: Okay, cool.

Jason Harwood: and pick 128, which is their second fourth rounder, believe, they would give us 23 and 54. So you basically move up from pick 128 to 54 and move back only six spots in the first round. I am interested in that one. Although I hate moving up with the Eagles, like for them to come up and take the tackle that we were gonna take. The next one is a boatload of picks from Tampa Bay. I'm not gonna do this, but.

Jacob Litton: Right, right.

Jason Harwood: they would have to move all the way back to 46 and that but you get 46, 77 and 116 and then a second rounder next year. I wouldn't do that. I mean, I'm not saying it's not good value, but it's not something I would want to do this year. ⁓

Jacob Litton: I think that's the most likely one, that one where we move back to 23 and then we, yeah.

Jason Harwood: The Eagles one. get 54. Let's look at see who's available and then we can kind of decide. ⁓ yep, we'd be dropping six bots. ⁓ let's just look at let's look at tackles that are available. So in this one, just you know, Maui Maui Noah dropped all the way to 14. If that happens, I could see the Lions would have traded up in that spot to move up and get Maui Noah, depending if they love them. So

Jacob Litton: So we would be dropping six bots, right? If, if they love him.

Jason Harwood: Really hold on, think that might be the only tackle off the, ⁓ no, Monroe Freling went ahead of Maui Noah. Those are the only two tackles that are off the board.

Jacob Litton: And see, there were several of them off before our pick even the last time. So now we've got our pick of a handful of them. Like Fano is there, Kaden Proctor is there.

Jason Harwood: Yes, and they have Lomu, ⁓ pro football, or this one has ⁓ Caleb Lomu, ⁓ head of Spetser-Fernal, which I don't, that's not anywhere close to what I've seen these other ⁓ places have him. So did Mesador go early or is he out there? I think he's still out there. So you got Mesador out there still. So, ⁓ So we could do the trades if you want to do in this one.

Jacob Litton: We'll see here's a difference between this one and the last one because the last one was so offensive tackle heavy. We felt like, man, our guys just not there. Then we felt kind of forced like, okay, we're going to have to go with one of the edges. And we liked Macedora. That was easy pick there right now. You've got, if you like Lomo, he's there, but the fact that Fano is there proctor is there. That's awesome. ⁓ Macedora is still there. If you're trading back, you've got to be pretty sure about the teams behind you. Like, ⁓ you know, the Vikings.

Jason Harwood: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Jacob Litton: Are the Vikings going to take a tackle? mean, the Vikings are highly projected to take a safety. Are those safety still there, though? Because Diamond went 12 and then ⁓ surely Caleb Downs went. Yeah, Caleb Downs went five. So in this scenario, there's not a top safety other than McNeil Warren, who is not. Yeah, they've got him ranked pretty low.

Jason Harwood: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Kib, Elmwood. Yeah. So, so first tackles, what do we have lay of Lomu as far as first round tackles, got Lomu, Fonu, Proctor, ⁓ and Blake Miller and then Ihanador. ⁓ so you have what five tackles there. So you could, I don't know. Let's see here.

Jacob Litton: I don't love Blake Miller. I'm not sure I like, but I mean, that's also like if we're getting him in the first round, yes, in this scenario, we're trading back, we're getting an extra pick out of it. So that would not be the end of the world. ⁓ Do you want to just for the sake of rolling dice and seeing what happens, do we want to accept that trade and see how it plays out?

Jason Harwood: Yeah, you don't like Blake. Yep. Yeah, let me see. Okay, that's how I get to it. So, yeah.

Jacob Litton: Now, before we accept, though, before we accept that train, if we if we were doing the no trade thing, if you had to pick somebody here and this is the way it played out, who would you want? OK.

Jason Harwood: Ooh, Fano, a fan of Fano. would, I mean, I, there'd be no doubt. Like honestly, I would, if that fell, Fano fell to us, I would just take him. I would be happy with that. I think you're getting one of the top, ⁓ top tackles in this class. And I think he'd probably be doing that, but for the purpose of this exercise, let's trade back and see what happens. And then we'll, we'll, we'll do that. So we're going to trade with the Eagles. we're going back to pick 23. We're picking up pick.

Jacob Litton: Yes.

Jason Harwood: 54. So that's going to give us three picks in the top 54, which is, you right? Cause we're going to have first second. Yeah. So three picks in the top 54, which is good. mean, you should project to get by the end of the year, you should have three starters out of that, right?

Jacob Litton: If we draft well, right? Which historically they do.

Jason Harwood: Right, exactly. All right, so they drafted Keldrick Falk. Peter Osbanu went to... Right, so now, let's... right. 49ers really want to move up. We can move back four picks and pick up a second rounder next year. I'm not going to do that because it's not going to help us in this draft here. So I'm just going to reject that. So we are going to make a pick here. So you got Lomu available. You have Blake Miller. You actually have Mesador available at 23.

Jacob Litton: ⁓ man, FODL went right before.

Jason Harwood: which I don't think that's gonna happen or you have E. Honador. Man. If it's me, I go with. Right, I gotta pick first too. I'm gonna go with Blake Miller. I, at 23, here's my thought process. Blake Miller is, has a very high floor. His ceiling may not be like super high, but I think that he is going.

Jacob Litton: I picked first last time, so you've got to pick this time for the first round. Okay.

Jason Harwood: I think you could plug him in and be good at right tackle and then you put Penne over on the left and I think our offensive line is much better. I don't know too much about E. Hanador. I'm going to have to do a little bit more research. So, but you like E. Hanador more than Blake Miller is what you said, right? Why is, tell me why that is.

Jacob Litton: I do. The thing is, so when I'm looking at film and I'm looking at the combine, I'm looking at the things from Blake Miller, I don't, you know, it's just something about his movement. There's something about the way that he plays. Now, if you're talking about on paper and what people say about him and everything, they talk about his toughness. And I think that somebody used the word grit when they're talking about Blake Miller. So obviously all of that, checks the boxes for the Lions. But, you know,

Jason Harwood: Okay.

Jacob Litton: And it's also the whole like floor and ceiling thing. The ceiling, think, is going to be higher ⁓ if you have a Hanna chore, but he may not be as ready right now to plug and play as Blake Miller would be. So there's the pros and cons that you would have with those two and the debate that we would be having if they played out just like this.

Jason Harwood: Mm-hmm. Yeah. So I think one thing that we could talk about here is, so before I make the pick, I want to look at this NFL draft trade chart. Okay. So we, in this scenario, we have 50 and 54, which if you look at the rich hill, that gives us like 216 points. If we use that week, like that would be equivalent to the 27th pick in this draft. So that would be moving up to the first round. So essentially we move back to 23. And then we use those same picks and get so instead of having picks 17 and 50, you have picks 23 and 27. So you get two first rounders. Okay. Now when I'm looking at this, Mesador is still out there. You got Zion Young still out there. So you could have a scenario where you could get, you know, a first round edge and a first round, a first round tackle. If the board fell this way. So I mean, there is that scenario that you could have that. And maybe in a future draft, we'll maybe look at trading up with that. I want to see who we get at 50 and 54, but I'm going to go with Blake Miller on this one, and then we're going to let this play through. It was, yeah.

Jacob Litton: Can't say I would hate the pick. I would be okay if that was the pick. That would- it would make sense to me. The messador to the bears. That hurts.

Jason Harwood: Lomu, Mesador went, and Ziyang, both Mesador and Ziyang went before pick 27. So you would maybe hold on to... but ⁓ Ehonador went ⁓ after that. So if you pick Mesador, there might be a chance to trade up and get Ehonador at the back end of that. Okay, so I'm not gonna trade in this round.

Jacob Litton: the chiefs. Yeah. So now we've got pick 50 and 54 here.

Jason Harwood: Right, I'm gonna trade here. But look at who went at 49 right ahead of us, McNeil Warren. In this scenario, McNeil Warren gets all the way almost to 50.

Jacob Litton: while and Casey conception ⁓ wide receiver went forty five.

Jason Harwood: was 45. Gabe Jacobs went 46 ahead of us.

Jacob Litton: I mean, I think that's right around where Jake is supposed to go. But I mean, for Casey to fall, mean, and I don't see McNeil Warren dropping that far either. That would be a pretty big surprise.

Jason Harwood: Yeah. Yep. ⁓ Yep. You know, what who dropped from D'Angelo Ponce, the quarterback out of Indiana dropped ⁓ in this scenario. I'm looking at that. like that. Keante Scott is still available at 59. ⁓ You know, if you want to go defensive tackle, Kayla Banks is still on the board. I could see that that would be

Jacob Litton: Right. I absolutely could see, especially if you trade and we've gotten these two picks right there, I could see Caleb Banks being one of those two picks. He visited with the Lions and everything too. So, and he's from Detroit. mean, that would be.

Jason Harwood: Right. Right. Yes. Well, in this scenario with us having 54 and to say you wanted a Kante Scott or you you think D'Angelo Pons is the pick because you know, there's value there. And there that's ⁓ the other option. I don't like it, but Cassius Howell, the edge Texas A ⁓ is available. He's not my cup of tea and I don't think he's the Lions cup of tea. So don't even know if he's on their draft board. ⁓

Jacob Litton: Yeah, I think we pick an edge later because of the trade and the way things are going. I think that we pick an edge later on. But now here's the thing. All right. Well, if you love Caleb Banks and you really want Caleb Banks, even though he's further down the list, do you try to take Chianti or somebody right here or, you it's my pick. I'm picking Caleb Banks right here.

Jason Harwood: Yeah, that's what I think. Yeah, so you get to pick, man. I think that it. You got to pick eight. That's what I would do. Because.

Jacob Litton: I'm not going to risk him not being there at 54. And I think that I could live with one of the other defensive backs possibly. Because you got DeAngelo, you've got Kiantay Scott, you have Genesis Smith from Arizona on there as well. And AJ Halsey from LSU, mean, they're right there. One of those guys is going to be there at 54. It's who is it if we like them or not. But Caleb Banks.

Jason Harwood: That is Mm-hmm. I like, I like. All right, Colin Caleb Banks, Jensis Smithwint, D'Angelo Ponce, Will Lee Wendt.

Jacob Litton: So three defensive backs in those next three picks. But now here we go. Now you got your pick right.

Jason Harwood: Right. Like you got Kiantay. Yeah, I would go Kiantay Scott. I just liked the guy and I think that he'd fit well. ⁓

Jacob Litton: and I'd be loving this draft.

Jason Harwood: Yeah. mean, the thing is that like, could be a scenario for the lions, depending on how those tackles go. I'm, it's going to be fascinating to see, like, if it's super tackle heavy, people trading up to get in front of the lions to get, get a tackle. Cause they know the lions want one. Cause you could definitely see that happening. ⁓ but in this scenario, I'm, yeah, I'm going with Kiantay Scott and I'm, you know, we're, you know, we got our defensive tackle. You know, we're not getting our edge, but I like the depth we're building everywhere else. I like it a lot.

Jacob Litton: Yeah, I like this draft better than the way that the first one played out.

Jason Harwood: I agree. So, I mean, to me, like, killed...

Jacob Litton: That's what stinks too. Sorry, go ahead.

Jason Harwood: I was going to say Caleb Tiernan just went. if we were to went edge there, we could have did, you know, Caleb Tiernan and then, know, we could have went with an all Caleb second round, Caleb Banks and then Caleb Tiernan. Yeah.

Jacob Litton: Why not? ⁓ That's just what I was going to say is going to be the interesting thing to Darien Price dropping around three in this one is because everyone knows we need to tackle if there are like, mean, imagine if Fano really was there at seven or, you know, if it's inching closer, you know that those teams are going to be calling to try to jump us if that guy falls. And that also enables those teams to be like, hey, let me call the Lions be like, what are you offering to move up? I've got

Jason Harwood: Mm-hmm.

Jacob Litton: the on the line, the Eagles are offering me a second and a third. What are you willing to give? They're saying they want this guy. That's where it's interesting. ⁓ You know, battle between the trades and the bluffs and stuff like that too.

Jason Harwood: Yeah, they're going to play off each other. That's for sure. All right. We're up with pick 118. So at this point, we've got cornerback, we've got tackle, we've gotten defensive tackle. Those are the three positions that we got because we picked up that extra second rounder. So you got, you you could go with a linebacker if you're looking for, I mean, you could double up the line.

Jacob Litton: Look at linebacker and edge. Look at linebacker and edge just to see if there's anybody listed because right now I don't see any.

Jason Harwood: Yeah, linebackers, ⁓ Caleb, alarms or out of TCU. You got as far as tight end highly on their board at least is a Dalen Bentley out of Utah. got ⁓ and

Jacob Litton: Okay. ⁓ see, Harold Perkins right there. I really like, I really like Harold Perkins. ⁓

Jason Harwood: What's his super power?

Jacob Litton: Harold Perkins is the one that was like super, super highly rated. I think that he was like one of those like five star recruit must have people. ⁓ and they kind of have just used him everywhere at LSU. And he was somebody else that like in the early mock drafts where people are like, ⁓ man, this could be a potential like top pick in the NFL draft. And then, you know,

Jason Harwood: Okay. Okay.

Jacob Litton: Things kind of went up and down. think that they moved his position from edge to linebacker and then he was like a hybrid safety. But athletically, like I think his numbers wise and everything like that, he's still like super high.

Jason Harwood: quiet. Mm-hmm, that's what it says. Hyperthardiner. Yeah. He tore his ACL in, in 20, 24, four games in, and then he returned last year. So he's an electric pass rusher. say he, he, he could really good pursuit. He could play zone coverage. You know, he, but it looks like he might not be in early down linebacker role, but if you're drafted in the fourth year, you're drafted.

Jacob Litton: You would hope to... Right. You would hope that he would develop to be like that Sam spot.

Jason Harwood: Mm-hmm, and that's exactly right and he gives me something that I really wanted for the Lions a pass rushing threat from the linebacker position like even if it's not early downs just we need someone that can come in and you know or draw if they said he could drive it the You know, said he could drop back into zone coverage. That would be amazing for third down You got a guy that can cover a little bit, but then also we could send him on on blitzes. So I don't it's

Jacob Litton: Right.

Jason Harwood: Is it my pick? I think it's your pick on this one. So you like Perkins on this one, I would assume.

Jacob Litton: Yes, I'll take the upside of Perkins in round four.

Jason Harwood: Alright, I like it. I could tell you that I wish I could watch more college football than I get the opportunity to watch, to watch some of these guys, but you know, it is what it is. ⁓

Jacob Litton: I mean, there's just so many, mean, how many people are on this list? There's just no way to even know.

Jason Harwood: Yeah, we traded our other fourth round pick. That's right to move up in this trade. So that was our draft. So this draft for through four rounds, ⁓ Blake Miller, Kayla Banks, Keontae Scott gave us a C plus grade on Keontae Scott. Screw them. That's a Lions pick. I'm okay with it. And then a C minus on us, Harold Perkins. They did not like that pick on there, but I think you got Lions players and I'm happy. I'd be, I'd be happy with this draft. Yeah.

Jacob Litton: Okay. Wow. ⁓ I would be so happy. Even not loving the Blake Miller. When I say that, he's not my top pick for who I would want at offensive tackle. That doesn't mean that I would not welcome him with open arms if that's the pick. Especially get one of those just nasty Lions players. I know whoever they pick is gonna mesh well with the team and be what we're about. I'm not worried about that.

Jason Harwood: All right. I want to stay with this website. I like this website because of the trading. Let's do one more draft and then we'll wrap it up here. So that's what I'm thinking. So we're going to go four rounds again. Let's go. We're doing the PFN again. And here we go.

Jacob Litton: Jeremiah loved two to the Jets. The Jets trade up for Carnel Tate number three. They pulled a Houston Texans.

Jason Harwood: ⁓ they- Yeah, lots of Yeah, Maui, Maui Noah just went up top. Lots of trades here. Lomu just went ahead of us. All right. Hold on. I'm going to hold off on these trades. I just want to see. Yeah, they had this web. PFN have some braided way down there. I mean, they have Lomu are rated ahead of Fanu, but this is the only place that I've seen have that. So I don't think Fanu is going to be there when he.

Jacob Litton: My god. Fa- Fana was there.

Jason Harwood: when he's there but if he was there I'd be interested in picking him so let's just look Arvel Reese fell all way to eighth and this one you got Ruben Bain fell to ten oh my gosh Monroe feeling went at 13 you got Caleb Lomu and you got Maui Noah are the offensive tackles that fell off the board no

Jacob Litton: It's crazy how time goes on like Monroe Freeling was always like in these mock drafts like box to the Lions or later and then as time goes on you've got the injury thing now with Maui Noah and just you know, I guess the pro day and the different things that are happening now all of a sudden it's like okay Freeling seems to be like a lock for top 15 like it's almost a guarantee that he's not going to be there when we draft. I mean that's sorry.

Jason Harwood: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have, go ahead. I was going to say, I, for my questions next week with Eric, that's one of my questions about Monroe Freeling. I want to get his read on it because like I watched a thing with Daniel Jeremiah, uh, yesterday or the day before, and they, he said he would not be surprised if he is the first tackle taken off the board, like goes ahead. I

Jacob Litton: Yeah, can you imagine hearing that? Like number five overall, Monroe Freeling, you know.

Jason Harwood: Yeah. All right. Yeah. It's one of those things that like he had a really good combine. You know, he's got limited starts. So people see potential in a draft. mean, a lot of times you're drafting that potential. I just get really worried about that. ⁓ I know sometimes I want to take the high floor guy and just be happy with the, mean, if I'm replacing Taylor, Taylor Decker, like Taylor Decker was a good tackle, but was he ever elite? I mean, he's not, he was not an all pro, but he was a guy you could put over there, count on him pretty much playing every week and playing at, you know, and close to pro bowl level. Like, and you'd be happy with that, right? I mean, that's, that's what you want. And to me, like Blake Miller is that guy. Like, okay, I put him over there. You know, is he, is he going to be, you know, Penesul? No, he's not, but I don't necessarily need that. I have Penesul. Like I want a guy that I could count on to be there every week and do his job. So that's kind of, you know, when I think about these things, like, you know, what do I, what do I need with Panay on the other side? I'm happy with that. But in this case, dude, you got Kated Proctor out there, Spencer Funneaux, you got, ⁓ know, Mesador still out there. If you wanted to go with Edge, Blake Miller, obviously there, Yihana doors available. You know, Zion Young, ⁓ you know, the tight end Kenyan Sadiq falls all the way to us. Imagine the Lions draft him and then, you know, at the same moment we're, we're pissed because we're drafting a tight end the first round. And then we're also realizing that, you know, Laporta is going to be gone. What if Laporta gets traded in this draft? If Laporta was not injured, injured, I would, I would think they could make that decision. Right. The Lions could say, Hey, we need, we need cap space. What, what could we, I would not want to trade Laporta. But when you think about some of the benefit and the opportunity costs. That goes into your calculus of like, I'm sure that was part of the DG, the TJ Hawkinson trade. I mean, they're not equivalent. It's not one for one on that deal. The lines were in a different position at that time. We had lost like, you know, five of the six games at the beginning of that season. It looked like it was over. We weren't, didn't want to sign Hawkinson to a big deal. I ever think I've read the lines one, resigned Laporta to a big deal, but you could replace them cheaper. And then, you know, you, you could spend that 19 million that you were going to spend on Laporta somewhere else.

Jacob Litton: Yeah, I don't like it gives me Eric Ebron flashbacks. I don't like the thought of drafting the tight end Especially unexpected like if this is the way the board is and then I see Kenyon sadique's name on the board. ⁓ my god

Jason Harwood: Yeah, you got a... Mm-hmm. Yeah. So, I mean, let's see what I just want to see what the trade offers are out there. So, yeah, two you got with the Bears. I hate to trade with the Bears, but they are offered.

Jacob Litton: Well, but look how much we're dropping from 17 to 25, but then we're also, giving them pick 222 and we're moving all the way up to 57.

Jason Harwood: 57 I know I I do like the value in that trade The next one is Baltimore, which I would never do is there I mean there are the values there, but it's like you're dropping all the way to pick 45 Yeah, I mean I'd be tempted to do the Bears thing 25 years probably in in this scenario You're still getting you could still get your tackle because I bet you're Blake Miller's are gonna be there or e honnador And then you're moving for 222 to 57. So what's 222? Is that like a?

Jacob Litton: Time to fix, but there's not another first round. Yeah.

Jason Harwood: Is that the fifth rounder? That's probably the fifth rounder and you're moving up to the sixth. Or is that the, is that a sixth rounder? That's probably a sixth rounder. Yeah, 222 is probably a sixth. Yeah, it's probably a sixth rounder. So, I mean, that's a heck of a move there. I'd be almost tempted to do that. I just want to make the pick in this scenario. I'm going to go with Fanu. If the board felt like this is who I would pick, do you have any thoughts on that? Yeah.

Jacob Litton: Hello? Because that compensatory, I don't know. Right. No, I agree.

Jason Harwood: Yeah, I would go with Bono. I'm just gonna go with that. I just want to see how this board falls with this. So the Bears trade up to get Peter Wood, so that's who they wanted. They traded up to 19-2 behind us.

Jacob Litton: Proctor falls to the panthers, Macedor to the chiefs.

Jason Harwood: Yeah, Blake Miller still there goes to the second round. still there.

Jacob Litton: I see that being realistic too though, depending on how the draft plays out I think he could follow the second round.

Jason Harwood: Yes, I know. That's why, like, if Mesador falls or something like that, or you got a couple, see Blake Miller fell all the way to our pick. Blake Miller fell, if Blake, can you imagine if we take an edge and then Blake Miller falls all the way to 50? ⁓ That would be insane. So I'm going to reject this trade. All right. So pick 50. Obviously you're not going to go with Blake Miller because we won't with Fano, but Gabe Jacobs is available. So you get your edge.

Jacob Litton: There you go, take Blake Miller now.

Jason Harwood: I do like that. That's up to you. got Malachi Lawrence, the edge out of UCF if you wanted to go with edge. Caleb Banks who we had. Okay. ⁓

Jacob Litton: I'm not high on Malachi Lawrence. I have seen him mocked us or seen that chances are he's going to be there. Obviously, so this is pick 50 and they've got him ranked 51. So it's pretty much straight on there. I'm going to go with Jockis though.

Jason Harwood: Yeah. Yeah, that's what I would do too. ⁓ and I think you'd be, you've got to be pretty happy about that draft too. If you, if you don't do any trades, like you're getting your edge and you're getting, ⁓ you know, you got FANU. I mean, I'd be like, if that happened, I'd be really, really, really happy.

Jacob Litton: That just makes a lot of sense. Right. For sure.

Jason Harwood: Now, if you had the bear scenario where you trade back, then all of a sudden you got like the two picks and the 50, you could bounce back up and you could get someone. But in this scenario, Blake Miller fell all the way to 50. So you could, you could possibly got your edge earlier and then you get Blake Miller second round. don't, you know, I don't know if Blake Miller is going to fall that far, but you know, that would be, that'd be insane. ⁓ at this point, Jake Allday fell all the way to pick a 80, please in the 80, 88.

Jacob Litton: Yeah. That's nothing not having a round three pick when obviously we know what we try to do in the third round, what Brad Holmes wants in the third round. That's going to be interesting to see if we dump the fourth, like if we're going to dump future stuff to try to get back up to get somebody or if that's already going to be gone because we forced to move up in round one.

Jason Harwood: Yeah. Right. So if you're thinking about if you're thinking about hey, tune our trade packaging our two fourth round picks and then jumping up based on the rich hill. So the two picks and the fourth round have a 45 point value. The equivalent to that is pick 90. So you would you could jump up to pick 90 but then you're giving up 118 and 128. So you could you know, yeah.

Jacob Litton: Yeah, you'd have to really like somebody or you would have to package up another future pick for that. Which Brad Holmes has done before, right?

Jason Harwood: Heck yeah. I mean, he's not afraid to, afraid to move around the board. That is, that is a hundred percent sure. So in this scenario, we got a bunch of, so you got Caleb Proctor, defensive tackle out of Southeast Louisiana. I don't know too much about him. ⁓ you got Caleb Alarmzor out of TCU. Here's Harold Perkins is available at 118 Jacob, who you liked. ⁓ Seth McGowan that running back out of Kentucky. talked about him last week. He's got to fall like he'd be available later on the draft probably into the fifth round. I would imagine especially with his past. But I don't know who would you go? Well, it's my pick.

Jacob Litton: What? Okay, Chamberlain, that's what was trying to see is what corner is like the top one that's on there right now.

Jason Harwood: Yeah, Charlene Demings. don't know too much Stephen F. Austin, so I don't really know. There's Devin Moore out of Florida.

Jacob Litton: I was looking at River as the one from Duke.

Jason Harwood: Okay. So Devin Moore's on the beast is cornerback 16, grade fourth round. ⁓ and started for a year and a half. He's got an injury history. you know, if you're, ⁓ against Brad Holmes, say that's right up Brad Holmes. ⁓ Allie, he, you know, he's got good cover skills, but it's like one those high, high risk, high reward players. Man, with the way the Lions are at it, don't know if you want to take a high risk, high reward player. mean, fourth round is... No. I can look that up. Let's see. Go ahead.

Jacob Litton: Have you looked into rivers from Duke? I have him up undersized but spirited. So some teams may pass because of size, but a long career awaits. They've got him cornerback 12, ⁓ third to fourth round green. He's five, nine and a half. So it's not very tall, but exactly. That's what I just gonna say, but we have had smaller corners like that before. Detonate screen attempts plays more physical than he looks, coachable, a strong character feedback. ⁓

Jason Harwood: Yeah, lions don't care about heights. Yeah, I kind of know I like that like

Jacob Litton: You know, up both inside and outside. All of those are real positive for me. Hands. It says hands the approach will be tough to get away with in the NFL. That's how our corners is how our defensive backs play. Attacks run like a Rottweiler.

Jason Harwood: Okay. Yeah, sounds like... that sounds like a Lions player right there. I'm going with him. I like that. I like that. See, that's one thing I like to do about these mocks, especially with the beast out. Like you get that information real quick. You could start learning about a lot of these prospects really quick. All right, Jacob.

Jacob Litton: Right. So Proctor and Elam ⁓ Ore, they're both still there.

Jason Harwood: And you got Harold Perkins who you liked before, ⁓ still available on the board.

Jacob Litton: I took him in the last one, so I don't want to take him again in this one, although I think that would be awesome there.

Jason Harwood: Right. All right. I want to see what this Dalen Ben. So Dalen Bentley tight end out of Utah. He's a fourth, fifth round grade. I'm not saying you need to pick him, but I'm just kind of curious about what tight end is available. ⁓ Needs to become a more disciplined blocker to be trusted on the profile, but size is sweet. He's got pass catching talent. you know, I don't know if that would fit the Lions mold, but you know, Laporta wasn't the most seasoned blocker when he came in either. I it wasn't like he was not a... you he's willing to do it. it depends on their take on this guy. Like, will he be willing to put the effort in to be a blocker and you develop it? Then, you know, that might be the pick, but who would you go in this? ⁓ you got Seth McGowan, the running back out there. If you want to go running back. I don't know about this Kaelin Proctor. Do you know much about Kaelin Proctor out of the defensive tackle out of Southeast Louisiana?

Jacob Litton: I recognize the name, I have looked into him before and I don't remember specifics but I remember it wasn't somebody I was very high on.

Jason Harwood: Okay, fifth round grade, ⁓ lacks ideal girth and will need to prove himself for his NFL size. So he has athletic traits. He's worth a day three gamble. So ⁓ Pro Football Network has him rated the 109th, but apparently Bruegler would not have him that high.

Jacob Litton: Well, maybe that's what I saw where, you know.

Jason Harwood: There's guards available too if you want.

Jacob Litton: Who did we take so who do we take so far in this one? So we got Fano in the first run. We got that corner and Jukas. OK. So off tackle edge cornerback. So then, I mean, you think linebacker safety.

Jason Harwood: And this one, I got a Fonu. Yeah. I mean, if you would probably do Perkins, if this fell to you, I know we did Perkins, we're not going to do him here, but Perkins is probably your guy. ⁓ but you could all, you know, defensive tackle, we could do running back, you know, you're in your second, fourth round or...

Jacob Litton: Are there any safeties like right below there? No. Are we pretty far down from a safety?

Jason Harwood: unless you're going to use a cornerback.

Jacob Litton: There's positive and negative about that linebacker from TCU. I mean, this is obviously it's round four. It's not round one. Jayshon Barham from Michigan.

Jason Harwood: Right. The other option, the other option is, J. Sean Barnum. know we could double up on edge. You go J. Sean Barnum because Barnum is going to be your, I mean, he is gonna, you know, he, you and I are got sauce pot for Michigan players, right? But he,

Jacob Litton: Right, but that's also like one of those things where it's like when i'm not 100 sure about him I would rather them not play for the lions so that i'm not like, ⁓ double invested and double disappointed I will root for you from afar. ⁓ And you know barum had some really good moments, but not consistent enough for me But then again here we are in round four, this is not

Jason Harwood: Yeah, I know. Yeah. I mean, you. and Right. You're hoping this guy, number one, play special teams. You're also hoping that, you know, he could get on the field at this point. ⁓ you know, by the end of the year, maybe we're getting some meaningful snaps on him, but he's also a guy like, okay, in a year or two, we're hoping to get him on the field and, know, he could hold an edge. I'm pretty sure he could hold an edge. It's whether, you know, can he pass rush? Nick Singleton's out there too, still. I mean, they got him way to way down there. ⁓ 149 in there. So that's why you're not seeing him earlier. ⁓

Jacob Litton: Here's the report on that linebacker for the TCU, Caleb Elarms-Orr. It says, needs to mature, explosive speed and revved up chase motor pop on film. So some of these things are highlights to me that I see, ⁓ dependable football character, hardest work on the team, big extras guy, film, lift, training, everything, played on every kickoff coverage, ⁓ lateral quickness of sidestep blocks, stays glued to the ball, can run in the open field.

Jason Harwood: Okay, go ahead. Yeah. Yes.

Jacob Litton: 22.68 mile per hour ⁓ was his speed. So I think that's somebody with some upside there as a linebacker and a special teamer that we can get a lot of use out of in round four. So I think that's where I'm going to go there.

Jason Harwood: Okay. Yeah. All right. I like it. All right. I like it, We're seeing people like, ⁓ you know, you get some, having those two picks in the fourth round is nice. You know, with that day of Montgomery trade that that's really nice to have with that second pick.

Jacob Litton: Yeah, for sure. A minus. So this trade, this trade went better than the last one.

Jason Harwood: Yep. So we got, we got some comments here. ⁓ so first of all, W ⁓ MW two wants, he said he would not trade with the bears unless we get, you know, hijack other picks. It's kind of a screw you, ⁓ Ben Johnson thing, I think. And then, ⁓ Eric says, or I'm sorry, Scotty, ⁓ four one four one says Eric Schlitt says Barnum may play Sam for us if we drafted him and I could see that. And I've heard him say that too. So, you know,

Jacob Litton: The thing about that though is like that's identical to the situation with James Houston where we want him to play Sam. This is what we're envisioning that he can do for us. Is he fast enough? Can he get out and coverage? Can he do this like multiple facets of the game? I don't know that he can.

Jason Harwood: Mm-hmm. Right. But if, Barnum, here's the thing with that, Houston was never reliable to hold the edge. He was never reliable in run defense and that could be a different too. that's why he couldn't get on the field. You know, we were, I think when Houston got on the field at that point, it didn't really matter. The Lions were, know, we weren't, I guess we were vying for a playoff position, but it was, you know, we weren't as

Jacob Litton: Very true.

Jason Harwood: didn't have as much depth so we were just putting him on the field but then he could never get on the field consistently and you could see that with the Cowboys, Houston plays like what 15 to 18 snaps it's gonna get in there on run downs the Lions just don't play that way they just don't they don't like liabilities they want you to be able to do these things and Houston just couldn't do it WMW2 said, FTB always and forever. I love it. It's good. It's been fun doing these drafts, dude. I love doing these. I love talking these, talking them with you. ⁓

Jacob Litton: Yep, you got that right. I'm gonna listen to our draft episode of last year to see like what we said, because I did not revisit that after to see if we nailed any of those or if we said anything about the guys we took. And that would have been fun.

Jason Harwood: Yeah. Well, we had, yeah, we had Morgan on that one with us last year. So that'd be interesting. I'm pretty sure we went, we got Ratledge in our mocks because I think he was, he's like one those guys that was like, that's Alliance. Like I almost say Jenny Zucker, you know, was kind of that guy this year at FF. I do. I just like, I just like look the way he looks, the way he plays, but I just don't.

Jacob Litton: Yeah. Man, you just feel that in your soul, don't you? Like, you just... Ha

Jason Harwood: know if the needs are going to line up with with that dry, you know, when with everything so

Jacob Litton: Well, when we got him in the first draft, I think was the worst draft that we had. And then not just him, but I just like the way things played out.

Jason Harwood: I think so too. Yeah, I'm worried if like the way I've seen this, if like we don't get a tackle in the first round, realistically, I'm scared about the type of player that we're going to get in the second round. then the reality sits in that Boram is going to be our full year starter on the right side. I'm not saying that that's, you know, going to doom us for the year.

Jacob Litton: the whole draft.

Jason Harwood: But it's going to make me hell of a nervous guy. Come time when we suit up. I don't know. I got to see it with my own eyes to have him in there. Justin Rodgers had a glowing review about him at Ry Tackle though. Like really did. And I trust Justin's eyes. So maybe he's onto something, but I need to see it. And he needs to hold onto it for more than just half a season. Cause that's really all he's got. But he got consistent playtime on the right side.

Jacob Litton: Right Yeah.

Jason Harwood: It also puts Panay over on the left, ⁓ which is good to cover ⁓ Jared's blind side. So we'll, we'll see how it works out. But if we got this draft, Jacob, I'd be pretty happy with Fanu, Jacob, Jackus and Chandler Rivers. And then, you know, what you said about Elam's ore. really liked. So I'd be happy with outside of that first draft. I would not not be happy.

Jacob Litton: Yeah. Yeah, both the other two. Maybe we just got better at drafting too.

Jason Harwood: Well, I also, think when we started trading back, like you could see what you could get. Like I liked the option of getting another third rounder or, you know, a second, second rounder. And then you could, we didn't mess around too much about trading up, but when you get two second rounders, you could really move up. Like, you know, we, we could have really, you could have really get some good value and then, you know, you're good too. You get two starters and then hopefully. one of your fourth rounders workout by the end of the year and you're getting another starter or by the following season. but all right, man. did, okay, Tigers were down seven nothing. I haven't paid attention. Eight, six. What is going on? What is, yeah, Pistons one, Cade's back. So, life good. All right, man, it's been.

Jacob Litton: Yeah, it's eight six eight six now so bottom of the seventh Pistons one Pistons 1 again.

Jason Harwood: Awesome doing this with you. We appreciate all the comments from everybody on there. Hope you had a good time doing this. Remember Eric's coming on next week. I keep matching it and I, yes, I want to promote our channel, but really just super excited to talk with Eric for an hour. So, ⁓ and I'm good. I'm super excited for everyone that listens to us to be able to have that opportunity because we are all going to learn a lot next week and just have fun. have a bunch of questions.

Jacob Litton: right?

Jason Harwood: set up for that. Maybe Jacob will, I'll let him ask one or two, but we'll see how it goes.

Jacob Litton: Hey, with Eric, mean, sometimes you only get one or two. He's not going to give you some short, you know, half-ass answer. He's going to go in depth and he's going to give you like, you know, exactly exactly what we're asking for. Really. It's just awesome to be on.

Jason Harwood: I Yeah, know. Yeah. Last year, I think we went, we went longer than what we told him and we apologize after we went off. We apologize. He goes, no, it's totally my fault. I just, you I, I'm long winded I was like, dude, you don't need to apologize. I think so looking forward to it. So Jacob next week, man, by the time we talk next week, you're going to be working from home. Got that office going. So congrats on that. and I get to see you Friday, like in person, like real, like real you, I guess.

Jacob Litton: Yeah yeah all right Right, right, not just on the screen. In real life, I like how you've worded just in real life. no, no. You stopped in the store randomly to drop something off, whatever, like before flu season, probably. don't even remember when that was.

Jason Harwood: Oh, I did do that. Yeah, I did. Well, I wasn't coming in during flu season, man. They get me in there to give vaccines. I'm, I'm, I'm retired from that. don't do that anymore. sit in my office. I know. I, that's awesome. So congrats on that. I'm super happy for you. Um, and, uh, yeah, I had a lot of fun. Hope you guys enjoyed the mock draft for Jacob. I'm Jason. Let's go lions.

Jacob Litton: All Yep, Me neither now. ⁓ Thank you, thank you.