JulyIntro: system. But bro, this fucking guy is this guy's out here calling me a freaking coconut hit. Coconut. Yeah, why why the hell are they calling you a coconut? 'cause I don't agree with his stuff. J just for a disagreement And then and then you always get that we don't own this guy. We don't claim this guy. Like who the fuck Yeah I mean why would you want to be claimed in the first place? I'm not your freaking dog, I don't care if you claim me or not. Yeah, you're not an animal, you're not somebody's pet. And that ladies and gentlemen is un American. We're going live.

max: What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Ot Trio. Today is a little different. We do have a guest. His name is Max, aka Maximiliano, like a fucking superhero. I wouldn't say superhero. No one ever uses the name. Well, I'm gonna call you Maximiliano. I'm not even gonna call you Max throughout the whole show. What's he gotta do? He is what we call one of those people that talk to the loony kids and tries to tell them that they're they're okay, that they wear furry suits. All right, first of all, we're not gonna try to get canceled. He he is a therapist. Very liberal. Not yet. He's working therapist and training. Are you liberal to a therapist? I mean what's a liberal therapist? I so the way that my training has been going, so when it comes to therapy, I'm gonna get right into it. When it comes to therapy, there are different modalities that you can do. Okay. So I was telling Andrika this earlier. The one that I'm gonna aim to is psychodynamics, which to to make it easier, it's basically like what do you mean to make it easier? What you mean by that, dog? When you're not doing enough to know what that means. But what does that mean? I don't know. it's basically I'm not gonna tell you what your problem is. So you can come in being like really, really crazy. I'm not gonna tell you like this is what your problem is, this is how you need to fix your life. You're gonna tell me what your problem is, and I'm gonna help you reflect on that and help you figure out your own solution. So we just guide you through it, right? Yeah. It's basically reflective responses, giving you the prop the proper coping tools. I do. Yeah. And there's a fly here. Yeah, there is. Right there on your water bottle. Yeah. Kill it. That's if you can. Keep in mind those things move into radic Nope. You suck. That fucking bitch. Yeah, so today's episode's gonna be a little more therapeutic, probably. We'll probably open up to some dark doors and find out about No, that's a that's a joke. That's a joke. We'll we'll we'll we'll we'll we'll talk a little bit about professions and aspirations and things like that, but we'll go ahead and also tell personal stories because this is episode that is personal to all of us because it's family. Max is family to us. Before we start, let me let me just go ahead and explain what happened to the people who are actually listening, not watching. Max was just staring at the camera with the most sadistic freaking child minister smile ever. This is my smile. It's his first time and we were all awkward our first time. Yeah. At least he has his hands down. Do I not look at the camera? yeah, you can look at the camera. You can do whatever you This is your place, right? But God. This is a safe space. Nah, don't bring that shit. This is not a safe space, all right? It's not a safe space. We feelings get hurt here. We will talk. We're judgmental petty bitches. We are. Do we want to say who I'm related to? People say we don't look alike. He is related to Enrique. That's his brother. That's his little bigger brother. Yeah, because it's taller than him. I am so. I it's about what? Five foot ten? Five eleven? Yeah, five eleven. Five eleven. This motherfucker is six foot seven. Three. Six foot three. Yeah. He grew he sprouted and grew like a willow tree. Yeah. This is my son's twin. yeah, unfortunately. Not unfortunately. We sent his like. That's his twin here. Yeah, if you look at like baby pictures of Max. Max is a little shit to him, that's all. Wow. Yeah, he is. We're gonna have to put pictures on him. I said you're a little shit to him. No, he's a little shit to me because I'm the only one disciplining him. shit. Let's dig into that. What do you mean by that? He gets away with anything with them. Not anything, but he or the mom. Both of you. disrespectful. I think what happens a lot is that he knows that they're They're his caregivers, like they're his primary caregivers. So they're like he understands like, okay, these are the ones who like care for me, love me unconditionally. I can kind of do whatever I want. I can push the boundaries. He keeps pushing the boundaries to test them. And they fail. And when they're gone, he doesn't act like that. yeah. No, that tends to happen a lot. Yeah. It's called gentle parenting. He also he also used to take care of kids on the spectrum. Like he would do one on one therapy sessions with them. So I did. I loved them. It was very draining. I left. My sister works the does the same thing. It takes a lot of effort. It it does. And I did home visits. So was it only just autistic children or was it also like Down syndrome and various other the company that I worked for, it was only autistic well, it wasn't only autistic children. My clients were only autistic because so the way that the company worked is that you could do you could do like school settings, which I did do like a sub session once. I feel like school's harder because you're focusing on one kid in a classroom full of other kids. Okay. And so I think it's a little harder because like when I was there, there were other kids who were not my client who were coming up to me. And I'm like, I was interacting with them, I was playing with them, but like I had to always keep my eye on my client and making sure like I was watching his behaviors, making sure he wasn't like acting out crazy. so what I mainly did was home visits. So like I would go to people's houses and I would be there for like two hours, hour and a half. And I would do plate therapy. So what I I was a behavioral technician. I was a registered behavioral technician and I was given a list of behaviors and I was meant to track them and then teach them new ones. So like if they had verbal issues, like they couldn't communicate, I was meant to like practice that with them or practice sign language with them. I think the biggest thing with that though is that my main client, her parents were like full Latinos, like they spoke English, so they were straight legals. No, like they came from Washington. Illegal. but they didn't know. immigrants. I mean, hey. We call them illegals right. and so with them, I remember I did have to have a conversation with the dad one time because he did straight up ask me, like, hey, like, when is she gonna be done with this? And I did have to tell him, I'm like, Unfortunately, like I cannot tell you because it's different for every kid, and there is a there's a chance like she's always gonna need help. But her big Were they paying for it? Yeah, they pay like with their insurance. Well, the insurance paid for it, not them. Yeah. And they're illegal, so chances are they free insurance. I know. I mean everybody's situation's different. I don't think they were illegal. sorry. so when you went to school, how many kids were there? What do you mean when I went to school? like the classroom? Yeah, the classroom. There was like it was a full class. A full class and every kid had its own That's what I didn't know. No one I was the only one from my company there because it was a school. Okay. And so there were like two teachers, like 'cause it was like preschool. Right. at least the class that I was in and So it was the teacher and the teacher's aid, maybe? I think so. Okay. and then I was just there on the side. And like they knew the drill because even though I wasn't his main one, he did have someone come in like I think every other day, if not every day of the week. So his main one, so you were like a sub? Yeah, I think their his main one had just called off or like called in sick that time. So they were like, okay, or like maybe requested a day off and they're they reached out because that's what they would do. It would be like you would have your client list and the sessions you would go on the day. And then if you were available, your HR person would like reach out to you and be like, Hey, I have another offer if you wanna sub the session. And then I think there w there were opportunities for if you continuously sub, they would be like, Hey, like we noticed you're always available during this time. Do you just want to take over for this day? okay. Which I never did. It was just a one time thing. So how did that affect you knowing that you're not gonna see that kid every day? Like Did they act a little different? Like was it harder for you to I think it was harder because like it was not only the first time meeting me, but I went in knowing like I can do my best to establish rapport today, but I can't I can't spend like one full session being like we're this is what we're gonna do. Cause with my main clients, I would spend like the first couple sessions, like, okay, we're gonna be rapport building, we're gonna be building a relationship, you're gonna get used to me. Yeah. Like the peop the ones that I saw continuously, they like Had the reactions. my main two, they were always cool. One of them would kind of be a little bit more reactive on like days where they weren't really feeling the best. Like if because they would also go to preschool. So if like they were home, like they got home from school, like they were tired, they're obviously not going to be doing it. They actually started picking up like the routine that we would do, like the toys that we would go through. So what they started doing was like speeding through every activity, trying to get me to leave faster. Because in their head, they're like, okay, if I get through all of them. He's gonna leave and I can do whatever I want. They're homies. And so obviously, like I would have to slow them down and I would just have to redo stuff. And they're autistics, you said, right? Yeah, they were they were on the spectrum. So they were on the spectrum, but yeah, they kind of like learn like it's a really big misconception that people on the that kids on the spectrum or even adults on the spectrum aren't smart. It's not that they're not smart. They're actually really, really fucking smart, right? They can't even they're and they pay attention to detail. It's fucking insane, bro. Yes, the mos on it. I think it's why they teach them sign language so much because it's like it's it's easy enough and it's very quick to learn. Especially like when you s none of my kids struggled with electronics. of course. None of them did. They got they knew exactly what to do. Like they knew how to get to the videos they wanted. They knew how to access everything. They knew what to do. So for me, that was an immediate sign of like, okay, so it's not that you can't, it's just you need a little bit more help in this area. And my biggest challenge was consistency from the parents, unfortunately. it's always a parent. I would try to teach skills, but if I'm only there teaching them the if I'm the only one doing this skill with them, they're not gonna learn in the long run because they're gonna be like, Okay, I only have to do it when he's here. Yeah. And so it's kinda like sorry, it's kinda like any sport. Like, yeah, take your kids to practice, but also practice with them at home. So you have to kind of get better at it. Yeah, get better at it. And then it becomes a routine. I think with autism too, like it's becoming more like widespread. Like people are getting a lot more knowledge on it. But I think there is still like that stigma around it. So, like my clients' parents, the ones who like the dad who asked me, the mom, the issue with the mom, she was really there. She was like really hands-on. She like, No, like I want to make sure she's they're good. I want to make sure that they're gonna be okay. but what I saw. a lot that I kind of had to help her stop doing was that she would be very quick to accommodate her, to accommodate their kid. So being like if they started crying, if they started like having a tantrum, very quick to like be like, we have to stop. We have to and I'm like, it's okay, like it's okay. Like we need to teach them like how to regulate their emotions. Like it's okay if they get frustrated, but we need to teach them like it's okay for right now, but we need to get back to it. But I feel like as a parent, if you have an autistic kid, They tend to be more protective. Yes. And I mean especially if you have this stranger coming into your house, like it's going you're not gonna want this random person telling you how to parent. Especially because like like you said, like if if you're more protective of your child because you know that they're going to struggle going out into the world, you don't want someone coming in and pointing at all the Like, no. Well he don't take it when you're there. When you're there. No Well when you're gone, I'm sure it's a whole different story, right? Yeah. For in like so one thing that I've noticed if you sent that, which every kid, I'm not gonna like it's just him. Let me just respect the name. Should just bleep the name just to, you know, protect the name of the of the big You're the one who pointed out that you're like, I don't like when parents blur their blur their kids' faces. I'm not gonna blur his face. Where his name is that's my son. Anyways. Vincent. He's at that age where he doesn't like to eat. He does like to eat. He struggles to eat when he's told. Is it just being a big eater? No, he's just not hungry. Bro, but you need to get him on a This was like my wife too, bro. Like that he has an eight. Like, if he's not hungry, he's not hungry. Leave him be. Like he's not. How do you about that? I told him to sit down this morning and he ate everything that I told him to eat. And then he got up and left. And that's what that was that's what I needed him to do. Just perfectly firing out before we came. And then leave. What time was that? That was at ten this morning. So tomorrow? Ten in the morning? You're here in Costco. How will me? Have a meat. So I asked. Listen. The whole plate. It's gonna feed him at a twelve. I don't know how that fast till noon. So you said about the mom, the mom that's more like bathing or whatever. And what about the dad? How does the does he 'cause I know back in the day, bro, it seemed like parents were embarrassed to have kids that were on the spectrum. Is that still the thing? Do you think that's still He was never embarrassed, but he saw it as something that she would grow out of. he saw it as like Eventually, like she'll be a face, yeah. Yeah, she'll be like normal, she'll be fine, like she's just gonna grow out of it. And so she's normal, but you so I did I did have to explain to him like I like cause he did ask me, he was like, When will she be done with this? And I had to tell him like I cannot say, like it's up to her if she's ever gonna be done. So with that too, and everything you learned, do you feel like autism is something they can get out of? Can they can Can they grow out of autism? I don't think anyone is able to grow out of autism. I think they can adjust to living with autism. So like it's like you'll have your they'll have their ticks and stuff like that. They're gonna have the ticks, they're gonna have the sensitivities, but if they are taught the right coping how to manage it, they should be able to handle it a lot better. And well not manage how to cope it. Yeah, well yeah, manage it because it's just like managing your feelings, I would assume, right? It's it's more of like your safety, your safety areas. I think the biggest challenge is like kids who are nonverbal. That's the biggest thing because unf like if it is like a brain thing. That's not something that can like there is a chance where you can teach them, like there is speech therapy that you can take them to, but going in thinking like they are going to talk, that is the goal. I feel like that kind of sets people up for failure almost. Just because you're setting an expectation that might not be realist. You do have to be prepared, like, okay, if they can't talk, what else can I do? In the meantime, how can I set them up? So they you guys focus more on like sign language? Yeah. So like with my nonverbal kid, she sh they were doing speech therapy like at their school, but my job was to teach them like the sign language, like how to say more, all done, please. We started doing counting. I was trying to teach her how to write her name. And that's the thing too. Like sign language is the only thing. Like she could still write. so it was just learning those skills. Okay, copy. whose parents don't practice. Yeah. I remember this And they say they do, right? Yeah, this broke my heart because I remember my first year that was there, I had taken a two week break for Christmas. j just because the parents wanted to as well. And that was a thing too. So with the company that I had, we didn't take holidays off. We didn't take any days off unless the family or us said like, yeah, we're gonna not do session. And even then, like they didn't really give us sick hours like that. It wasn't the best company. It wasn't bad. It wasn't great. and so we took two weeks off. I came back, all the progress I made with her was gone because they didn't practice anything. I like had to start square one. Yeah. Wow. Does that get frustrating? It was very frustrating, especially because like There were times where like she would pick up certain signs and I it's because like her their parents would tell me, like, like yeah, we're practicing. And I like, okay, like I can genuinely see the progress. So it was very easy for me to spot when they just weren't doing it. Type shit. All right. So we're very controversial here. So I'm sorry, go ahead. Well, just to finish off that that part there. So basically that's you got some experience with the kids. You a little bit more about the kids that are on the spectrum and stuff. And according to you and your research, there is how would you say like a There is a light at the end of the tunnel, basically. There is, yeah. There's you're not the kid won't be stuck like that as long as the parents try and do something. No. And I feel like you'll see it a lot on social media too, which I don't always agree with the parents who are always posting their kids' lives on social media. That's very controversial for me just because it's like you shouldn't be putting their experience out there. But I mean it's a learning thing. You wanna spread information. I get it. A lot of them do want to spread awareness. They do want to spread awareness. They just want to get the likes. Yeah, I think or you want to share progress. Yeah. Which some people do it right. Some people don't do right? You could tell. You can tell when people are genuine genuine. But there definitely is. If you're consistent with it. If you see like, you know, the the kid learning and next thing all you see a fucking picture of her and a cheese string, then you kinda can tell what you know what mean. Okay, so what were you gonna do by bus. So we love being controversial here, bro. Okay. So question we're gonna get a little ratio, a little ratio, you know what I'm saying? So Which race do you say pays more attention to autistic kids? White people, Mexicans or black people? In from in terms of their like from your experience progression. Yeah. In terms of like let's say, okay, so we got Jamal, he's white. Okay. We have I don't know, Roberto. He's black. I will say we have Ronnie. All my clients were Latino. All your clients were Latino. So yeah. Yeah, I can't tell you. Wow. That's gonna be kinda harder to generalize too, then, because I was only exposed to one population. Justin, how was that population? So what percentage do you would you say all right the actually care. Actually care. Yeah, we're actually not not care, that's fine. But actually practice were more hands on outside. Who actually is willing to struggle to help their kid advance? They were more involved. Right. So that's not I was I'm gonna pull it away from race for a little bit and more talk about parenting style. No, we're gonna talk about who only had kid like one kid and that kid was autistic. They were more like hands-on. More. They babied their kid more. Okay. It was more like the kid the parents who had multiple children and like only one kid was on the spectrum. they were more like I can do this and like I'm more aware I want to make sure that that kid is getting the support they need. And I wanna say it's because like like everyone says, it takes a village. Yeah. So like if it's just you and your wife, you and your husband, and then your one kid, it is gonna be hard because especially like with my clients who like were from out of state who had moved, like you are essentially on your own versus the families who had like had more people present in the house, the siblings who are older, like everyone kinda shares a bit of the load and like they're all able to be present. So I think I can't comment on race, but in terms of like family dynamics, I feel like the families who had more children it's easier to work had they had more control. Basically when you have more people to help you, it kind of takes the load off of everybody's shoulders versus if you're by yourself. Yeah. So yeah in in instances like that where there were multiple siblings but only one child was on the spectrum. Would you say that it was a little bit easier for the siblings to actually be involved in comparison to the parents because like maybe they were a little bit closer in age, or maybe they were just able to go ahead and be more involved in comparison to the parent? With the type of cause I did play therapy. So like it was it revolved around like playing board games, playing cards, building blocks, coloring, stuff like that. yeah, more hands on. I feel like the kids are always more involved because they're they're able to relate to the activity a little bit more than the parents. Like not to say like my parents wouldn't be involved with the session, because there were there were there were a couple who would be like, yeah, I'll do the activity with you guys, kind of get you guys comfortable. but it was more common for my client to kind of seek out a sibling if they were present just because like that's who they were around a little bit more. That's who they typically would play with if their parents were busy. so I think it it's easier to be with the siblings than it is with parents. Okay. I feel maybe they probably feel a little less stressed. Because they probably feel like the parents like that's my mom, you know, versus like, it's just my brother or my sister. I think I would feel I don't know. It's probably a much more relaxing situation for them because I mean, you'll you'll care about both sides. You'll care about your parents and you'll care about your siblings, but I feel like with your siblings there's a little bit more f familiarity because it's like, you know, he's my brother, he's only like three years older than me, or like two years younger than me, and it's like we're a little bit closer in age, we relate a little bit more, we spend more time with each other because of that fact. So maybe that's just Something that makes things a little bit easier, maybe more approachable. I would say on that, I also think it's because clients would typically view their parents as their escape. So if the parent was present or like readily available, they were like, Okay, this is my this is my way out. Like if I don't want to do this, I'm just gonna run to my parents. Yeah. Versus with the siblings, they're like, damn, yeah, I can't go to work. They beat me up. No, they beat me up. I I can't say shit, you know. They fuck me up. Ca yeah, kinda more of like they were There are e there are they're not quick to baby them more of the disciplines. Yeah, they're not quick to baby them. moving on from that part. How can I put it? Like there's there was no doubt in your mind that kid was being like physically abused. No. Never. Or emotionally abused. Emotionally abused. Like no, no. No, I feel like all of my p like all your clients. For better or worse, all the parents of my clients genuinely cared for their kids. Like they were really like, I just want them to have the most help that they can and the best help that's available. that's So that they can live the best life that they possibly can. But he's not a social service dog. Let's say you came out. Are you I have to report I would have to report it. Even now I'm a mandated reporter. okay. Yeah. So don't let him walk in your house because it reports you. I know if I see something. better when you're alone because the kid is not all paranoid or what I will say I did have a classmate tell me that their friend was also in RBT, which was the position that I was. They had a parent die while they were there. Damn. Like the I don't I don't remember like what happened exactly. And I mean she didn't share the details because also it wasn't her, like it was a secondary. okay. So let's skip that. It was like her friend, but it did like her they were having session, and then I think what it was is that they were calling the the mom, I think, and she wasn't responsive, so they went to go check and like she had died during the session. So she like obviously had to call the police and then. That's the thing. So when it comes to being an R B T, something I noticed at least with like what does RBT mean? Sorry. Registered behavioral technician. being in that position, being someone who like help kids on the spectrum, I'm I have a really good skill of being able to separate myself emotionally. I am able to like clock in and be like at the end of the day, like this is my job. Like I'm not going to build an emotional. I was gonna ask you, have you ever gotten attached to one of your clients? No. When I did put my two weeks and I left to like because of school, It did suck a little bit, but it didn't like break my heart because I knew that someone else was going to take my place and they were still gonna get the help. I wasn't leaving them just high and dry. You'll be a perfect firefighter or some shit, bro, because you don't care about human life. Not that I don't care. No, you don't care. I know how to not cross ethical boundaries. you said it. You're on camera saying that. Well, no, because so when I was in my training, a lot of people like would ask questions to our trainers about ethical boundaries that I thought was common sense, being like, like. What if I know them? What if we just follow each other on Instagram? Like the parent, remember them the parent. and that's a no. Like you are not meant to have any You're not friends, personally. No, nothing. Like even like when you're in the home, cause I did home sessions. So like you can't accept anything. The them the only thing you could accept was like water. Okay. Like you can't accept food because then that starts to build a dual relationship. You can't accept gifts. I think they had just recently changed the rule. I don't know if it's just California or the United States, where you can accept gifts that have a monetary value of like five dollars, but nothing above. you're not meant to give get gifts when you end your set when you end sessions or when you end your, I don't want to say your run, when your time is over, like you're no longer gonna see your client, you have to cut all ties. You can never talk to them again. Even like in public, if you see your clients in public, which even now, like when I when I become licensed as a therapist, if I see my clients in public, literally one of the main rules is I am not going to acknowledge you. So it's kinda like fucking like say say you were seeing say I was your therapist and I saw you at a Walmart. Right. I'm not gonna say shit. I'm not going to acknowledge you on my wave. The only way I'm going to acknowledge you is if you see me and you walk up to me and say something. And at most, it's gonna be one like real quick, like, hey, how are you? Bye. Right. That's it. So to be what RBT is cold and distant. RBT, you gotta be a heartless motherfucker. Not heartless. I think you do have to have a level of empathy because you're working with kids and you're just obviously going to push your stuff, but you need to be able to like separate yourself. Separate yourself. You can't build a bond with you build a bond, but it can't be more than just you have to remember at the end of the day, like, this is my client. I am here because I'm getting paid to be here. Yep. You have to have set boundaries and be able to not cross Mm-hmm. So what what made you wanna go into therapy? No. what made me want to go into therapy? I actually No, wait, no, no, no. You shook your head. What? Fuck my question. Is that? It's the odd trio, bro. It's a little odd. Yeah, it's out there, but it's not a porno. That's a lie. Life's not a porno. what made me want to do therapy? I actually grew up wanting to be a veterinarian. and so what it was is like I don't know, I just like I was very determined because it was like this thing in kindergarten where like it was like a joke around the adults where they were like, they're gonna say whatever and then they're gonna change their mind like eighty million times before they actually get their job. So for some reason I took that like as a personal challenge and I was like, Nope, I'm not gonna change. So I followed wanting to be a veterinarian from kindergarten to eleventh grade to my junior year of high school. And then I was like, you know what? Maybe surgery isn't for me because that's like a whole life. Even if it's not like a human life, it's still alive. I'm like, this is someone's pet. This is like an animal. Like, I don't wanna I don't wanna kill the bio. I'm not doing surgery on my clients. He's not opening up with the scalpel. Exactly. That's true. and then I switched to optometry because I was like, I still kinda want to do something that makes money. and So I switched optometry. When I started college, I was a biomedical science major. And that was my first D. Like I got a D in class and I was like, so maybe science isn't for me. and so in my second semester, my freshman year, I took like psychology one one because it was like a general ed requirement. And I just fell in love with with the topic. And I was like, no, like this is cool, like this is what I want to do. When I was a kid and you guys can attest to this, I was really annoying. I was always asking why. I always wanted to understand everything. Like I just I was just nosy. I kinda took it to an extreme. I was just really nosy. I I never knew how to shut up. And so I kinda pushed it. And then I got exposed to the research side of it. I got exposed to more of like the clinical aspects and I was like, No, like therapies for me, I guess. And then I graduated. I have my Bachelor of Arts, not as impressive as Bachelor's of Science, but it's still a degree. And I have a major in two fields. I am a psychology and sociology major. And I got a and then when pursuing further education, because when you have your bachelor's, unfortunately, especially now, like a degree doesn't really mean anything. Yeah. so I was asking one of my professors my junior year of college, and I was like, Well, I kind of want to look look at next steps. I don't know what I want to do. I saw that my school had like a master's program and I know that that's the next step. She straight up told me she was like, if you feel that you can't handle a doctorate, start a master's. That's straight up what she told me. She was like, if you genuinely think that you handle a doctorate, start with the master's, because it's not as challenging. It comes with its challenges, but it's a shorter program, only two years. and you're still gonna come out with something. But she was like, if you think you're ready, just do a doctorate. And I got accepted into my doctorate program. So I am a current student going into my second year of clinical psychology. and after this year I can I'm go I plan to walk with the masters. nice. And then in three more years I will have my doctorate. We're gonna have to go ahead and start calling him Dr. Max from now on. That'll literally be my title. I will have I will have a document. That's from the hangover. He probably hasn't watched it. He probably has his now. my god. It's that one guy, the guy with the beard. I don't like him. No Zach Zach Ofnocus is a great Zach Elizabeth. He's never seen between two ferns the things you hear when you're So he's he's going for his doctorate, bro. We're fucking hella proud of him, especially me. That's what's up, bro. I'm actually another thing too is going on to the research, not to brag. this August I'm going to find out when I'm going to be published for research that I did in a journal for the the Journal of Integrated Social Sciences for research that I did on how religion influences romantic couples. interesting. How religion inspired you? How religion influences the real title is how how religious fervor influences romantic relationships in college students. and I was inspired by Enrique because I saw his stuff, I saw his relationship and I saw how religion was coming up. and so one thing that most people know, but I still feel in my opinion is like a kind of a taboo subject is being with someone who is outside of your religion. Right, right. so I wanted to bring more light onto that. I want people to understand like how heavy of a decision that is. And so the way I did my research was I compare I asked people to fill out surveys to measure their religiosity. So how religious they see themselves. their romantic beliefs, so how much they believed in the concept of true love and then their openness to being with someone who is in a who is of a different faith. Romantic helmies. Romantic beliefs as in like sex wise or romantic beliefs like the questions were like, do you believe you have a soulmate? Do you believe that there is only one person out there for you? If your family and friends are telling you, hey, don't be with this person, are you gonna let that influence you or are you going to fight for your partner? So think about that. Right. And he's put broke he put it In perspective, so I'm watching me and my wife, 'cause my wife's Catholic, you know, we have Christian backgrounds. I myself, I I yes, I'm a Christian, but I don't like calling myself a Christian. I'm a follower of Christ. I'm right, brother. I I don't like I don't like the term Christian just because obviously you know people that go to the beach and they go and tell people you're gonna go to hell for being in a bikini and stuff like that. Jesus never did that, bro. So I don't do that. Yeah, so I I I I don't like the title. But you know, he's seen a little bit about myself too for the people that don't know, but me and my lady have a thirteen year relationship, seven or eight of which we were three hours three hours apart, a hundred and ninety miles. And we thugged it out. even when we had Vicente, we were still kinda struggling with baptizing him and not. I told her, Go ahead. There's Is he baptized? No. There's nothing wrong with it. There's absolutely nothing wrong. He's not baptized? No. No wow. There's nothing that has to do with your daughters aren't baptized. So your daughters are closer to the devil than my son. But yeah, Left me a note on my Bible. She's like, Hi Dad. Interesting. Yep. So yeah, it was. No, but yeah, so he kind of seen the the struggles and the fights and Dadis was probably giving me therapy before he even decided to become a therapist. You know, every now and then I would open up to him. Not as much because I'm not a person that likes to open up and stuff. Yeah. But he would ask me like, hey, so like Where do you see that struggle and stuff like you know? And I I didn't think it was a struggle to be honest. I think the only time we only clashed heads for was when it came talking kids. Baptism, right? Baptism. Yeah, which is always the biggest argument. My only thing was look, I don't mind it. I don't mind it. I just told her, show me in the Bible where it says children need to be baptized. I think that's more like a a tradition than more like it's more of a tradition, but look the Catholics believe but I but I think I don't want I think Catholicism is more of a tradition than an actual religion. It is. But look, the c the Catholics the Catholics are. No, no, I agree. Relax. The Catholics excuse is that they feel And he's a therapist. They feel that the child is born with the original sin. And that's why they need to get baptized. That that's their sin of what though? The original sin of men of Adam and Adam and Even of Adam and Eve. So the reason they get baptized parents fucking No, but no, so everybody the original sin is like the sin of knowledge when they're retard. Yeah, so I mean, yeah, but that's what they I can see where they're coming from it because Okay, you can see where they're coming from. Of course, everybody can, but this is what it says in the Bible, bro. In the Bible it says that children are born perfect. Where exactly? Mm-hmm. Yep. Children are born perfect. We're exactly in the Bible. You can't if you can't quote it, you can't say it, bro. My phone is on airplane. I was like saying trust me, bro. I'm not saying trust me, it's not saying You're literally saying trust me, bro. Go to Google. Pull that up, please. Pull that up for me, please. Bible verse of children being born without sin. To to go ahead and give a different perspective, technically speaking, once Jesus Christ was crucified, He paid the price for that sin. So they're technically if we're using the words of the Bible, there should be no original sin that anybody's born without Exactly. Yeah, I mean I I believe that too, but I'm just trying to try to question where the Bible says that. I think on top of that, God. The difference with baptism between the two Faiths from my perspective is that it's bec it's that it's they believe children are born with the original sin and it's become a tradition that that is their initial it's their initial step into their faith. versus with Christianity, and I'm gonna speak from my experience because I was baptized at eleven because I chose to be. Right, right. They believe that when you're yeah, you were. Yeah, I embedded all you guys. Yeah. You guys have always been part of my life. Yeah. I bad motherfucker. The way Christians handle it is Psalms. Psalms one thirty nine, thirteen through fifteen. Go ahead, look that up for yourself, play us. Right. For you formed my inward parts and blended me together in the It says that they were what? It doesn't say that they were it doesn't say that children were born perfect. You guys are gonna make me unlock my phone. Anyways, so with Christianity, baptism is more of like when you are ready to accept God into your life and you're ready to have that spiritual change, you're separating yourself from the world you know into a new version of you. That's where the difference is. Okay, so you bap you got baptized at eleven, right? I believe so. Has your beliefs changed from eleven to now? I would say so, like I think I said, like we were raised in a Christian household. I think now where I stand is that I'm kind of in that same spot of like, I personally don't like being called Christian. I'm not gonna ever cur tell someone like, I'm not Christian. Right, right. Because I do carry a lot of Christian beliefs. Like I do believe in the Christian God, but I view myself as more spiritual, more like my relation because I've the I I in the past couple of years, I have gone through like. A different transformation of my own personal growth where I have had to Changed how I viewed the way that I lived my life. And so I had to come to terms with like a lot of stuff. And I I was told that no one can tell me what my relationship with God is but me. Exactly. And so and and everyone's relationship is gonna be different because everyone has a different story. So so and your perspective, what's the main difference between Catholicism and Christianity? From my perspective, the main difference is is that Catholicism is rooted in tradition. It is rooted in rules and it is rooted in like these routines that we do because that is what we believe in. That is how we align with ourselves and our faith. They have scripture as a guideline of how they are meant to live their life. And I can't speak too much on it because I was never raised Catholic. My parents converted when I was born. Like I was not to say I was the reason. A little after I believe. Yeah. So real quick, hold that thought. Don't it. Don't lose it. All right, so Duormati one thirty nine mentions that the little children do not yet know good from bad, which many interpret as a state of moral innocence before an age of accountability. And also in Matthew eighteen three, Jesus says, Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven, pointing to a pure childlike state. All right, that one's good. Thank you. Let's go right there. Thank you for clarifying that. We say a lot of things here, but fake news is not one of them. Yeah, no, yeah. Yeah. That's factual. That's why I wouldn't be that by the way, that was my only argument with her. But we we agreed to disagree. And I told her if you want to baptize them, let's baptize them. She hasn't done it. That's her pillow, not my pillow. So it's safe to say that you think that Catholicism is more of a tradition than Christianity? Especially because like my exposure to Christian to Catholicism was from like my mom who was raised Catholic. and her reason for not sticking with that faith is because she would ask questions and was always met with, you don't ask that question. You don't ask. You don't ask. Versus with Christianity, you are given answers. You are given like this is why we do this, this is what this means. and I I don't know. I can't speak to everyone's experience. I don't know if that's how it is for everyone. Right. but for her, Catholicism was like, we just do this just because. And so that wasn't enough. That's like I said, like that's not a real relationship with God. And so when I said like I had to redo it, it's because something that I found for myself and like even my peers, like when I talk to like my cousins or when I talk to people my age, it's that we're raised a certain religion. We have an understanding and we have that relationship in a way, but it is still rooted in routine. It's rooted in like this is what I grew up with. This that's why a lot of us like when we get to a certain age is we're like, Well, I'm not gonna go to church anymore because now it's my choice. I don't want I was I went 'cause I was forced to go. And so when you're rebuilding your own relationship, it does give you more meaning. So like I don't go to church every Sunday. I go I whenever I can. I do try to make an effort to go. I do read the Bible every day. I pray every day. I know like in my own personal life, I have everything that I have. I am where I am. I've achieved what I've achieved because God has put me there. Like me being a therapist is because that is the purpose God has put for me in my life. So we're assholes, but we do believe in Jesus. We do believe in Jesus, believe it or not. Yeah. I believe in Jesus, believe it not. I I that's very difficult. This this who has upside down crosses and dolls hanging from the roof in his house, but don't come around here and hello. No, but so speaking on that aspect, do you ever use your religion in your job? Like you know what I mean? Like or are you more objective? Like the to not give away Much about my personal life. I do go to a religious university, I go to a Baptist school. Okay, okay so my therapy we are they have really it's not as conservative or closed off as most people believe. so like at least in my doctoral program, one of the first things they told us is we are not training you to be Christian therapists, we're training you to handle Christian clients. That's right. Meaning that like you're gonna see whoever. But we're preparing you a little bit more where if your client is Christian, you will now have a better understanding of how to deal with them, not deal with them, how to help them and then how to apply religion. But like fold. Yeah. But the goal is not to be like, Okay, let's pray during session. Let's re let's recite scripture. I know there's a lot of a lot a lot of therapists that are like that, that everything has to be There's lot of atheist ones too, I believe. But I I think at the I think it's more atheist than you know. I think at the end though it's more like that's just their personal beliefs, which well, whatever, bro. You're you're free to believe what you want to believe. You you know, that's the beauty of America. You could you could feel how you want to feel. But like you said, they're training them in c they're training them more on the course of if you get a Christian client, not to say that you're not gonna service an atheist or, you know, maybe a Satanist or whatever. That's not your job to determine what they what they believe and your job is to get them the mental health they need and help them become better. So the way that welcome everyone equally. Yeah. Exactly. The way that I've applied it is I've kind of redone that so like I truly believe everyone needs a purpose in their life. And I think God is the only one who can give you that purpose. not to say if you find your purpose without God, hey, you found it without whatever. I think it's easier. I think it is also easier to handle a lot of like stress and mental strain if you have faith. and it doesn't have to be in the Christian God. I think just having faith in general and something that's greater something bigger than you because it's there is a purpose there's a sense of freedom and relief knowing that like I can hand this stress off to some to something bigger than me and they will be able to guide me through it. That I'm not in this alone. And I think that's the biggest thing when it comes to like depression, anxiety, stress is that a lot of people truly believe like I have to deal with this alone. Yeah. Have you ever dealt with depression? Being, you know. Christian and how did that how did you handle that? I've never been diagnosed with anything. I've never had like official diagnosis. so I'm not gonna say I dealt with depression. everyone have you ever felt isolated? I did feel extremely isolated for no apparent reason that you can't really pinpoint why you're feeling this way, you're just feeling this way. How did you handle that? not healthily. I the way that I handled my emotions is I kind of held everything in. And I the way my mind would work a lot was I didn't know if I was doing it for attention, if I or if I was actually feeling bad. So I would constantly invalidate myself. and the way that I grew up, it was very isolating because I so like looking up to you guys, for instance, I was always very jealous because you guys always had each other. You guys literally grew up with each other, you guys have this trio that you're like, like. These are my guys. These this is like my family. These are people that like I can always count on. They're always gonna be there. I have that now. I didn't get that till high school. And so growing up, I never had stable friends. I was always adjusting to fit into a friend group. I kind of just wanted to feel welcome somewhere. But if you think about it, we kind of got that around high school as well. Yeah. It was just that you were younger. Yeah, for me, I was younger. So the way that I interpreted it is that you guys have been with each other since childhood. Damn, I'm sorry. And it's okay, like it's not anyone's fault. I think it was just like Life gets in the way. Kids don't know what they're doing, unfortunately. And so I think also like if you're not When I was growing up, I f didn't always feel like I had people to talk to. Not that they weren't there. I kind of built it in my head of like Nobody cares. Not nobody ki kind of nobody cares. It was more like There was nobody there to care. They're not gonna care the way that I want them to. It was more like I'm gonna tell them and they're gonna tell me I'm exaggerating, which is kind of what contributed to that thing of like I don't know if I am exaggerating or if I genuinely need some help. What are you depressed about? I don't know, motherfucker. I just don't have feelings. Yeah. You know? And so I did have to figure that out for myself. and it did get bad. There was a point where like it did get bad. and so I reverted to prayer. I think I really, really got out of it. Bad in what aspect? Like. Bad in like you wanna unalive yourself type bad? Not that far. Like, I would have a thought here and there, but I would never do it. Especially like I would have people kind of tell me like that's like that that's a weak way out. And so I'd be you know what, that's right. That is a weak way out of Everybody says that bro, and the ring told me that told me that a lot. Everybody says that, but nobody unless you go through that, bro, you have no fucking say on it, bro. Yeah. You can't you can't fucking explain it like At one point I would have like random, like I don't want I was never diagnosed like you, but just I guess panic attacks. Yeah. Where just fucking start well, you don't know what the fuck to do, you know? And it's like And that's the thing too. I think looking back and looking at what like I've been trained with, my first panic attack was in third grade over a math test. I literally felt the walls closing in on me. I didn't I stopped being able to see my classmates around me. I was dragging my feet onto the all like against the ground, trying to like get room. They had to take me out of the class so I could breathe. And it wasn't until like a lot of years later that I looked back, I was like, that's what that was. How did you handle it then? I mean I didn't know what was going on. So like once it once it was over, like they were just like, Are you okay? Like, can you breathe? And I was like, Yeah, I'm fine. And then I didn't have one again until high school. And I've only ever had two in my life. If you were to have that now, do you think you'll be able to handle it in a better way? Mm-hmm. Yeah. I've I feel like looking at it now from your perspective, the way you are now. Just knowing what you know, it would be a thousand times easier to go ahead and handle situations like that because you have knowledge. It's it's the question of like, if you could go back in time and go back to when you were a kid but know everything that you know now, yeah, would you do it? And how do you think things would turn out? It's like the answer is pretty simple. It's like it everything would be significantly better because I would know how how to handle stressful situations like that. Like I would be mentally prepared. So it's gonna be all right. When some kid would go ahead and like Tease me because of my appearance or you know, for whatever reason that kids go ahead and tease you, it's like having the mentality that I have now, I know that it wouldn't affect me because it's like, those are just words. They only can hurt me if I let hurt me. Yes. Like you you're just more mentally safe. Words are like they just go right through me. Exactly. And I think with it too, like looking back, I think South Park reference. I think kids kids desperately want to belong. They desperately want to belong. And I think that's what contributed to so much of like my childhood, especially like in elementary school around fourth and fifth grade. I was in the gifted and talented program. So I was always with the same people like all day for two years. None of them liked me. I was genuinely isolated by those kids. In a class of like twenty to twenty five, I didn't have like a stable friend. Yeah, kids can be assholes. I think for for well, like all right, like me, I used to always tell them like a coward's way, dog. We no it is bro. I'm sorry. I don't everybody's gonna have different opinions, bro. You're an asshole. I don't think anything in life is that terrible. my dad went through a lot of shit, bro. A lot. Hopefully I really hope that one day he'll jump on here, bro, and he'd give us a little aspect, but he went through a lot, bro. He did. Like a lot, dude. And aspect like a lot of mentally. okay, okay. A bunch of shit, bro, that a lot of fools wouldn't handle, and he he thugged it out. So I think I learned shutting my system down as well and like my ment my mental state to shut it off, bro. Because it's just it's shit that you go through, bro, and it you gotta you you there's always something at the end of the tunnel. And I some things, yeah, things get hard. I I had a really bad I had a really bad mental episode this last weekend. pretty bad. But we record it? Yeah, no, that's fine. I don't know the day we recorded last week you said? yeah, but no, I it didn't have nothing to do with that. But like this has been building up I don't know, do five three months. I just feel like I was on autopilot, but it's just I this I think it's probably the one time that it got really, really bad. Usually I'm not like that. Usually I like have a week's slump, get over it, you know, whatever. But lately I've been feeling a little more shitty about myself. my situation. Like I feel like I feel like I'm not doing enough. I feel like I'm not providing enough. I feel like I'm not there enough. Yeah, so I just you know, but it's I mean you just thug it out, bro. You you have I think look you can't thug it out though, bro. You gotta you gotta say something. You can thug it out though, because look, it hurts me a lot, bro. And I don't like people. I really don't like people. I ha I have more sympathy for animals than I do humans. That's how I am. So when I hear dudes that bro, and they have kids, you're a fucking coward, bro. Nah, you can't say that. I don't care, bro. You have kids, bro. You have kids. Yeah, but even even when you have kids, bro, like my personal opinion. I understand. Yeah, like you just can't say that. I Honestly. I can't say that. I mean, you said it, but I just feel like you gotta be in that situation. Like I was in that situation recently. And I that immediately in and out. Just because you're in that situation don't mean you're in that situation as bad as they are. But everyone, everyone has a different story. Exactly. And everybody has a different level of what they Everyone gets attacked spiritually differently. Exactly. So, but everybody thinks they have it the worst when in reality there's someone out there that's way worse, bro. There is. And they're st and they're still walking. Look at these homeless dudes, bro. You don't think their lives are fucking torn up? And they're walking around. Hey, that's true. Well, they're walking around. They're medicating themselves, though. Okay, but you see, you my point. You ever seen them? You see my point. There's a lot of stuff that I think we think that we're facing. Like we think, like fuck, bro, I'm fucking having the worst thing ever. My life sucks. Reality, bro. We're we're thinking about this in our air conditioned bedroom, driving our car to work. Work. It's not that bad, bro. I think the depression is it's a sickness of the wealthy. Just because people go through things harder doesn't mean you need to invalidate what you go through though. Yeah. Yeah, no, of course. Not invalidated, but there there's always somebody out there that has it work. That's what you're doing. I'm not doing that. Don't punch them, though, right? I'm not doing that. I'm just saying like charging up. I think growing up, the thing that really set us back is that dad went through a lot of things. Yeah. And so he wasn't as emotionally present as we needed. Well, you gotta think about it this way. Your dad didn't have a dad growing up, but he did it. So so it's hard for him to be a dad. And that's the thing. When you when you break psych and he is, he's a lot better than Believe it or not, bro. I I I think I consider myself a good dad, bro, because a lot of the shit that I saw you guys you guys' dad do, bro. And that's that's like he was there. He provided he gave us what he needed as a child. And unfortunately, he was so focused on that that while we never went without, we did not have an emotionally present father. So we never learned how to regulate our own emotions. So we went through a lot of stuff like that where we're invalidating ourselves to the point where it's like someone else is struggling. I don't need to be I don't need to be exaggerating about what I'm feeling. And it's not saying like, yes, everyone does have a light at the end of the tunnel. What I have had to teach myself is that I am allowed to feel sad. I'm allowed to feel bad about things and I'm still gonna get out of it. Because I know that. And I like we can talk about going back a little bit to religion. Like our mom, our mom's an amazing woman. She genuinely put so much love and care into us that we are able to handle it because she taught us that. She put God's love into us. We have a little bit more strength than other people who do not have faith. Mm-hmm. I think with it though, sometimes it does feel that you are forced to handle it alone because no one's going to be able to solve your problems for you. And I think that's the biggest issue that a lot of people face is that that's that's one of the issues I think you face, Andrika, that I I faced for a while too, is that you believe that no one can solve your problems but you. And that's not to say that you that you have to look for someone else to figure it out, but talking to someone, getting it out, putting words to your feelings, that gives you somewhere to start. gosh. Like talking to someone. Why not just talk to God or You can talk to God. That's what I think just talking to someone or something. I feel like it was a lot better when I just told my wife. Honestly, but you're going to be married, no? Well, I know, but a lot of fools don't like to talk to their wives, bro. I talk to I don't everything. I I don't like to, bro, because again, bro Put it this way, dog. Talk to my feelings to my bum. If anybody tells me any cheese met dog, I'm gonna keep it to myself. Nah, bro. My wife knows already, Padrito. No, but okay, but that's different. That's not talking about cheese met for I'm talking about opening up to your wife, like, hey, I feel like a piece of shit. Yeah, like feel when you feel vulnerable, you feel like you can talk. Like I did no, I did talk to her. I'm just saying, but why did it take you so? Because that's Me that's a that's some bitch shit, bro. Not a bitch, I know, but to it is that's just who I She loves you, I'm never going to look at you like that. She's never gonna know you're bitch, first of all. Exactly. I I don't need to add more, I don't need to give her more reasons to well you're not giving her more reasons. All your if anything, you being able to open up and probably open it up sooner is gonna be polluter now. Okay, hold on. Going back to to eliminating yourself, bro. I just I just see so much people, bro, in so much worse situations. Fools that are doing life, dog, and they're thugging it out. So you know what I mean? There's four There's fools that give 15 year sentences, bro, and thug it out, bro. And you're there's fools that unfortunately do it to themselves, bro, because their girlfriend broke up with them. Yeah. Come on, my boy. Everybody's mentality is there for you. Everybody's mentality. You don't know if that girlfriend was that girl that listened to him and he done had nobody else to do it. Or maybe that was his last maybe that was his last temperature to life. Come on, bro. You also gotta think what did you do to get into that situation? yeah, but okay, exactly. What if it wasn't for me? What did you get? What did you get for why'd you break up? Chances are most of the time, most of the time, someone fucked up. No, they cheated. The guy cheated on the girl, and now they're my god. Yeah, and a lot of the times the girl just didn't want to be with you. Look, because I talked to my old boss about this too, because one of his best friends himself, and that's it sucked, bro. And I thought I showed him I did tell him, I was like, in my opinion, bro, he's a bitch, you know what I mean? Yeah, a bitch. And he was like, bro, but you can't say that. And I'm like, But look, you're telling me that he did it because they used to party all the time and he he felt empty, I guess. he left a note. I can't remember everything he said. But he's like, you know what, bro? You're right. Had had I just talked to him once and told him to open up. And that's why we say, bro, like, if you do have it, you should talk to one of your homies. If you don't want to talk to your girl, talk to your I can't talk to you, morons, because every time I try to talk to you, feel I feel like Wayne Brady on the on the on the breakfast show. When they're I'm gonna tell you something, man, but I don't want you guys laughing. And he says, You know my dad, and they start laughing at it. So that's why I don't talk to you guys. What the fuck? But I mean, we talk we laugh, but still, that don't mean but there's certain things, bro. Yeah, but there's we try find comedy and everything. And I think to me that that's the thing, bro. Comedy is the best laughter's the best toxic. Exactly. Laughter's the best medicine. Laughter's the best medicine. Yeah, I guess. But yeah, you can talk to this fucking guy because he'll try to diagnose him. People already think I'm an asshole anyway, so I bro. are gonna I'm gonna he's not diagnosing him. He's letting him talk his head. He's already building up. Like, all right, he has this, this, this, this. All right, so I think I'm I'm prescribe this. Yeah, okay, so he's letting you speak so you can No, he's doing the math in his head. Yeah, he's doing the math. To be fair, when I've talked to people, I do usually make them cry. Nice. Like I not to say I diagnose, I never go in with the like. When I've talked to people before, I mean, I'm not licensed yet, I'm not therapizing them. It's more like I have I have them reflect. That's that's literally my whole point. I'm like, you need to reflect and rethink your things and get to the root of it. That's the issue. Do you get satisfaction out of making people cry? Is that is that what you are? You're some fucking kind of evil doctor. Am I a masochist a little bit? Every tier you get, you know, a little power up. I'm not gonna say no and I'm not gonna say yes. It it it's more of the notion. I think it's more of the notion of like you know that you You're genuinely helping them out. It's like, okay, we just had a breakthrough. Like you discovered something. That's what it is. Is when I make people cry, I'm like, okay, cool. You just had a breakthrough. Hopefully unfortunately though, when I do get to that point with people, they do now view me as like, okay, I can't tell him shit because it's gonna be this whole thing. I'm gonna cry. I can't tell him anything because then he's gonna he's gonna psychoanalyze me. So then people stop talking to after that. But they will say, like, yeah, he did actually really help me during this situation. And then going back to when we were kids too, like I know it's it's a lot it's a lot of my fault that you felt like that. And I'm sorry for that. But we were we were doing we were doing shit that you couldn't, you know, you were opening up. He's opening up, but no, as I've told him before, but you wanna I'm eight I'm eight years older now too. Yeah we couldn't have with us, but come on, we're all depending on that we're doing my parents on that a lot. I do tell them if we were closer in age, it'd be better. It would probably be worse. You know what with the whispering eyes? Exactly. Yeah. So what what one thing the you know, everybody talking and opening up right now, one thing I thought of right now as you were speaking, your situation was actually the complete opposite and reverse of what my situation was when I was growing up and I was dealing with all these different feelings and emotions. Cause when I was younger, I did go through about of just having these feelings, these emotions. I contemplated running away. I contemplated unaliving myself, but I did open up and I would Talk to you all the time about this kind of The worst person in the fucking room you could talk to and my man made it out. How old was he when you talked to him? I was I was I think sixteen. You were thirteen, fourteen. But he was the only person I I felt like the only one I had that I can go ahead and speak to because I couldn't speak to anybody at home because that's where my Where I fell at the time. Especially you. You're first generation Mexican, so your parents will fucking No, no, his dad is fucking awesome. No, no, my dad, yeah, my dad's mom would probably be a little more rough on him. But his dad Yeah, but but Luis, Tienes que es que tiene you no, my my dad was a good dad. No, your dad was tremendous, bro. Your dad was awesome. I love that guy. but speaking on the different subjects that we had, like I had those feelings, but it was like the reverse because I had where you felt isolated and alone. I had people I could talk to and open up to, but it was my feelings and emotions that kept dragging me down and kept making me feel like I was alone, like the walls were closing in, I was cold and distant. And the funny thing was that the way I ended up like I wouldn't say getting out of it, because I feel like that happened over time, but I saw perspective that gave me some clarity that led me to that road where eventually I am where I am now, where it's like, yeah, I Don't have that anymore. Like those problems, like you were saying right now, where it's like it's not that bad. I can see that now. And the reason I can see it was the way you guys ended up getting out of your situation or being put on the path. Yeah, I was right there with you guys because when your mom started going to church, who went along with you guys whenever that was take us, bro? Fuck. Yeah, so I went too. So being I remember being in a room full of people and seeing them just. Happy to see you, happy for you to be there and having that feeling of, hey, you know, we don't know you that well, but we're here for you and you're not alone. That changed my perspective completely. Amen. I I think man, I remember the first time. We'll we'll get into the stories, bro. I remember the first the first time. The first time we no, the first time we got we went to I had to go, I had to go to the church retreat, bro. I had to go to the church retreat. And I remember And I told you, fools, come on, fool, let's go. And then Louie's like, all right, whatever, let's go. And then we had to go get your ass. You're no, I'm not going. Come on, fool, let's go, we're gonna go. And like last minute, bro, all three of went our first time. So it was it was cool, bro. It's cool. They had some good food that day. Yeah, it was interesting. We went to another one. The food was ass, bro. Not anyone say ass. It depends who's in the kitchen. We should we should have membership cards at that point. We went to hell of Yeah, it was fun. They always try to take the demons away from us though. But I'm I'm a little yeah, I'm I'm a little bad, bro, when it comes to my my mind. Especially the way I I view the world and stuff like that. But what do you mean by that? Hey, what I said about the thing and stuff like that. I don't know. I don't know. Been there done that. I feel like my life has been pretty decent. I I mean as a kid too, all I think all of us felt isolated. I felt the isolation before too. I listen to dark music, stuff like that. What do you mean dark music? like emo music back when it was popular, the emo music or grunge. I used to listen to grunge too and stuff like But a little bit of a resurgence too. Yeah. And I think but I mean other I don't know, bro. I don't I don't think I ever I was kind of weird. All right, so I wasn't I wasn't. But when I bought my gun for the first time, I emptied the magazine and I made sure it was empty and I put it to my head. Dash it feels terrible. Terrible, dog. That's perfectly normal. Feels terrible. I I just wanted to see like what what do these people it's the curiosity of the human mind. Honestly, no. That's not really a crazy idea because it's just the curiosity of the human mind. Like you have it in front of you, like it's touching you. Like what hell no for like how is it? So you so you tested the theory out. You made sure you were safe when you did it, but you tested the theory out. And it was like, god, no, that's that's hor the feeling. I just wanted to see like what goes what what would what does a person think? There are 10 steps that someone needs to go through before they actually commit. Wow. What do you mean by that? There are 10 steps that someone needs to go through. There's a good song. There's a good song actually actually called Joiner. It's Joyner Lucas called I'm sorry. We'll listen to it after the podcast. But that's a good song. If you guys listen to it, it's actually Joyner Lucas, when he first came out, he would give you the perspective of the person. No, he came out like when he Well when he first started making his music. Like his mixtapes or whatever. he gives you the perspective of the person and the friend. So the I'm sorry is actually a s song where he tells us the perspective of one of his friends and then his perspective as he's reading the letter his friend left. Okay. there are the textbooks that we have on how to handle clients who are on the verge, there are 10 steps that they have to go through in their head. do I remember them off the bat of my head? Not at this moment. But it's a feeling of hopelessness. There is no solution. They have no community. This is the only way out. Like there like you have to go through all ten. You have to like make a plan. Well can you say that some someone can just do it just because they're like at the heat of the moment, maybe they're intoxicated or in ineb inebriated. It wouldn't be heat of the moment. If they're inebriated, it's because that feeling was already there. Yeah. Yeah, but no, I'm saying, like, let's say someone that's consistently saying, like, I'm gonna do I'm gonna do I'm gonna do and then one day they finally like they just do it. Do you think that they process their 10 steps or do you think that's just something that they just completely? I if they're gonna think I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna do Maybe not. It's like you said, like the feelings are already there. But it's because like they've been going through those things during through like in a specific time period that if they're now there where they're like, I'm just gonna do it. There's scientifically speaking, no matter what, typically within that span they hit they check everything yeah they try to span it could be it could be years I would it could be anything yeah possibly it's it's different for everyone like how quickly are you gonna lose hopelessness how quickly are you so sure that no one else is gonna do like help you in the situation how quickly are you so sure that there is nothing after death or that whatever happens after is worth the risk and then coming up with the plan, coming through with the initiative like you have to truly feel like I'm ready to do this. There's actually a movie that I just saw that I kinda wanna watch. I forget the name, but it's literally about like someone's final project and they like the pro their final like film project. It's like a high school setting, they commit suicide. Like it's that's like seven pounds with Will Smith. Yeah. Seven pounds? Where he he I don't watch anything with Will Smith anymore. Though it was old school Will Smith Yeah, I know. So kind of ruined his reputation. Yeah. Fucking cook, bro. There's a story behind that and everybody's story is different. Worry. So yeah, so it's A little sensitive. It's it's a hard mental health is always like a really hard subject. I feel like it's very touchy subject too, because everybody has a different opinion. Everyone has a different opinion. Everyone and it's there's a lot of cultural beliefs in it too that are grounded in it. And okay. So is there a right thing and there's a right opinion or wrong opinion? Or there's there's no way. That's why mental health is so versatile because everyone is going to handle things differently. One of the biggest things that they try to teach us is that. When we do have clients, we have to acknowledge that they are here most likely as a last option. Whether it's individual therapy, it's a you're helping them because of substance abuse, you're helping them get out bad situation, it's couples therapy, family therapy. They're probably there because this is the last like resort, or they've been forced there. So you don't ever want to make them feel judged, you don't ever want to make them feel like, you have you can do something else. You're there because this is probably the end of it for them. Like they're like after the especially like so I'm gonna go into marriage and family therapy. If a couple come yeah, if a couple comes to see me and what are you gonna charge me? I can't see family or friends. Sorry. I'm not your friend or family. I you can't. I'll fucking like Who are you? Who are you, stranger? Why why can't you do that? Why can't you see I have bias? Yeah, So say say you come with your wife. Right. I know you more. I think I ring through the dirt. I probably could. I you would probably tell me your issues and I'd be like, No, Obano's right in everything. You're messing up. Just do what Obano says. But aren't you supposed to be neutral in that? You're supposed to though. Why is that a risk? If you're a professional, there should not be Because he'll know you and he'll just not everyone who's a professional knows how to do Are you gonna be a professional? I am. He's try. But that doesn't mean that doesn't mean I'm gonna break the rules. I think I'm the except the exception. Yeah. So you won't break the rules. He won't know until he's in that situation. I'm asking for help. Because that's a rule. I I can refer you to someone else. You could kiss my ass. I can refer you to someone else. I was like, he honestly wouldn't even know until he's in that situation and until it happens. He'll be like, crap, I was being biased. Damn, really? Wow. Mm-hmm. That's why we like have supervision. We have like like when I start seeing clients in August, like I'm probably gonna be recording a lot of my sessions so that I can watch them back later with my supervisor and be okay, what are we doing? What are we doing? We could have a session. We could. We could. If we have and we can find out, if we can sign consent, we're good, right? Yeah. I mean it's been an hour. My time's up. Oink. I mean we have to go for a while. Are we paying this fucking guy or like? All right. But I could have sworn We've been going for one any of his time. We we we've been going for a bit. But let's let's let's not let's not end in a in a negative note. Let's go on a way to We said that everybody's mental health matters, bro. I just baptism thing. It was really it was really heavy though, but let's What about it? What about it? What was your thought? no, I was much important enough. Go ahead. No, go ahead. No, just go ahead and say it. Done. I am done. You were saying something about baptism. Yeah, you're saying something about baptism. I think that was the thing with Irene and I too at the beginning, bro. Like an issue. Like an issue about baptism. I was like, I'm like, my whole deal was okay. I I believe it or not, I do have some Christian beliefs, and but I also do have some atheist beliefs. I've fucking I'm in the middle, right? And my whole deal was I'm not gonna baptize them. I want them to choose when they're old enough what path they're gonna take. What if they're not gonna believe in Christ at all? Then why am I gonna make them do something they never wanted to do? You know what I mean? I don't want to be that fucking parent that's gonna force religion into their lives because we all know when once you do that, the fucking kid is gonna you know necessarily. A lot of them do. A lot of them do. Revolt. Yeah, a lot of them do. It's a possibility. It could happen. The more the more you push them to something, the more they pull away. What's his name? Marilyn Manson? Her biggest thing, well, my my wife's biggest thing was like, Well, what if he gets older and he wants to get married to the Catholic church and he does not baptize? He's gonna look weird being seven years old or thirteen getting baptized. And I'm like I don't I don't know if you notice, but there's other people that get married in the Catholic Church now. I'm sure they'll they'll be fine with him not being baptized. I wanna get married in the Catholic church 'cause I like the art, bro. It's badass. So Doesn't have to be a Catholic. No, I wanna be I don't understand. It wasn't your marriage, right? You can't, you don't do you have your I want to get married. Do have your first communion? I'm sorry, your first communion? No, you could just pay it off now. No, but do you thank you? Yeah. Exactly my point where you could literally just pay the fine. The Catholics don't care, they just want their money. Funny enough, when I was younger, I actually went through that whole deal because I was raised Catholic first. Fucking Luther. Yeah. So I I went through all those steps. I got my first communion. I went through the next through the second step and got my confirmation. I went the whole the whole yard. The whole yard. For what? What what do you remember from your first communion or your nothing? Well wasn't confirmation. What what what did you learn? That's all right, I'll wait the I mean, this is a long time ago, but vaguely I remember the teachings. We were reading scripture. Did he get touched? No. Okay. No, absolutely not. I remember like you said before, it very what very much was rooted in tradition. Like they were constantly telling us and teaching us and showing us like, okay, so this is what you're gonna do. This is what we're doing. Like these are the steps. These are, you know, they said, okay, you're doing this so that you can get to this step so you get to this. And it was very much based in tradition. You know, we learned everything about the saints, sainthood. We learned about, you know, why we're doing it. It was like, okay, and when you go to mass, you're gonna go ahead and after this step, you can go ahead and partake and get in the the The bread, which is the body of Christ, and then when you get your confirmation, you can go ahead and drink the little cookie. Yeah. Yeah, the little the little wafer. Yeah. And then it's like you can go ahead and now drink the the blood of Christ after you go through this step. The well, it was wine, but I think they changed it to like juice or something. Dude. Now hold that thought. Just to trip you out real quick. Remember the podcast I was sending you about about homeboy that like super Christian, like very crazy. The one I was on you guys today on the horror podcast. So he was actually saying, bro, that Jesus never turned water into wine, he turned it into juice. Because back then in order to ferment wine, you needed ferment. So if you turn something from fruits, it's technically juice first. So technically Jesus never drank alcohol. Technically, Jesus never drank alcohol. Go ahead, continue. Yeah, I was gonna say, don't say that now. All the all the alcoholics that are religious are gonna I know, right. But but yeah, I like I said, it was a long time ago, but I do vaguely remember, like you said, it was very traditional. Like if I remember when we w it was like almost like a graduation ceremony, like we had like a gown with like The little a l a thing that would go be trapped but draped like around your neck that would have like a cross on it and then it would have like other like symbols on it. I think it might have had a dove or something. Do you still have the outfit? I no, I don't think I do. It was it was from a long, long time ago. But you were baptized in that outfit? I would love to see No, I was baptized when I a baby because I was raised from For the first communion. For the first communion and for confirmation. Like it was it was very much like a graduation ceremony, like a middle school or a high school graduation. But yeah, like speaking about the topics that we spoke spoke about today. Like that's how it was there. I was baptized when I was a baby in the Catholic Church. I didn't really have a choice. I got baptized as a Christian when I went ahead and was older and I made the personal choice myself. And honestly, I agree with what you were saying about you know, you want them to choose and want it to be their decision because you never know what's gonna happen when they get older, they might not want to do it. But referring to scripture specifically, remember when Jesus Christ he was baptized as an adult, he went out. Yeah. He went to John the Baptist, who, if I remember correctly, was blood a blood relative to him. Not cousin. wasn't it a cousin? nice. Yeah. And he went he like keep in mind this is. I never got off Matthew. He went to another person who was performing these ceremonies and went through this whole thing and did it himself as an adult. Not not a baby. Not not a teenager. There there were children at the Nile. Yeah, there were yeah, there there were. But like that was the decision he made. So I feel like personally for me the the reason behind a baptism is the symbol and the message for what it stands for. It's supposed to be a symbol of rebirth and renewal. You come in as the person that you are, you go under the water, when you come back up, you are supposed to be reborn, clean slate, something completely new. And I feel like that should be a decision that you should be able to make when you're older. But again, like I said, everybody has a different perspective. You know, not everybody's gonna think the same thing. If you want to go ahead and Baptize them when they're a baby because of what you believe in through your religious upbringing, that is perfectly fine and it really is a mate. It really is fine, bro. There there's nothing positive or negative on the fact that you baptize your child. It's really honestly just for that Catholic church to get money. Sorry, but it is because they charge you. It is they charge you for everything. Christian churches don't charge you. There's a fee. I feel like everybody at this table here has the perspective of like it should be your choice. Yeah, your choice. Because we're pro choice. We're pro choice. Yeah, because the four of us were all given that option. I feel like when I like for instance, when I was baptized, it was given me I had to prove that I was ready to be baptized. Gang gang. Right. Like when I was when I did it at like a first they were very impressed that I understood. You die for God. But like they were there were literally classes that I had to take showing that like I completely understood what it meant and that I was ready to do it. And like there was a chance that they told me, like, no, you're not ready. I feel like this was episodes and be super controversial. So it was very religious. One thing I I with the Catholicism, bro, I really don't remember learning anything as a Catholic. Same. But one thing I did do, this is what I did every time I went Yeah, this is the freeway. Every time I a church, that's that's another tradition. That's that's a tradition I passed by a church. why Tradition of it it's showing like a sign of respect. Yeah, sign of respect. Is that what it is? I feel like that's what it is. Like I said, I have to say that's that's what I was saying. I think No, no, the freeway is safety, and technically it's not just the simple one. It's I think the the whole Yeah, you do the whole the whole one on your face too. Yeah, yeah. Pretty much. Dang. Yeah, that's for safety. But like yeah, passing the church cemetery is because those are holy land, holy grounds. So is it holy ground? You're just being at that point, you're just being a good Well, yeah, but technically it is because we can't get into that because any yeah, we can. We can. Yeah, it's it's a holy ground because that's why Pruha's going steal the the dirt from the cemeteries because it's holy ground. It's supposed to be sanctified because you're respecting the dead. That's like the final rest. Doing the sign of the cross as you pass it is just like a a symbol of Are you gonna be back in October to join us on our shenanigans? yeah, so we're gonna be talking about the paranormal scary stuff. We're gonna be going around Baker's Hills. I'm gonna try insights. I'm gonna try real, real hard. You're down. I might be busy. I'm gonna try real, real hard to either have I'm gonna have my clients, my job, school, and a research team. I will be busy. Fuck school and fuck your job. How's that? We're gonna he's gonna be here in October, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you. We're gonna I'm gonna try to I'm really gonna try to have my mom or my grandma on here. My mom, because she speaks English. Like shot out, but she she'll get by. But my grandma, we would have to translate everything, but I think she'd be super. Hey, fuck it. We'll have our first Spanish episode. How's that? Yeah, we could. We'll have our first Spanish episode. I know I heard you the first time. Well, there's a bunch of foods I worked that been asking too. Yeah. But Hey, we're talking about sorry, Matt. Yeah, I we're gonna I'm gonna try to have them because they have some experiences with the darker arts. Little headache. Well, at work I went up to this guy, right? Yeah. It's fucking hilarious. I I went up to this guy, keep in mind, I don't really talk to him. Well you have to explain it first, otherwise I'm gonna be funny. I sent you the video. the podcast. So there's this guy I I really don't you know, is every now and then, maybe what's up. Yeah. He's there doing his thing, I pull up to him. I'm like, Hey bro, you're Mexican. You know, yeah. I'm like, Do you believe in Brujeria? Witchcraft? not really. And I'm like, we'll see. And I just took off. That's hilarious. That's mean. Hey. well he started laughing though, so I broke I broke character once again. Any anybody have any like little personal stories from when we were growing up with just like bro, Max. Yeah, with Max specifically. So then we touched a little bit on some stuff that we did when we were younger and we were dumber, but there's Like one or two. I just wonder if anybody wants to bring it up. I think you're gonna tell about Halloween. I think he you were you were probably Vicenta's age at that time. He was like three or four. Yeah, he was you were like three or four, you probably don't remember. Probably not. So keep in mind we're at we're in the living room watching the movie The Omen. The new one. Not the old one, the new one. The two thousand six one. Two thousand six or something, the omen. For those who don't know, the omen is about the son of the devil, right? Damien, Damien and the anti-devil. So we're out there all we're In mind, we're all glued to the fucking TV, bro. Pitch black. Pitch black, bro. To set the mood. And it was like a big TV. It was a big TV. It's the old school big ass TV with like speakers on the bottom. Back when the big screen TV was literally an entire like refrigerator, basically, for a lack of a term. Yeah, and those shows were like five thousand dollars. Yeah, and this who this who was sleeping. So yeah, he was sleeping in one of the rooms. We were out there glued to the sleeping. Everybody forgot about him. Yeah, we forgot he was even there. We were eating. Chilling, watching TV. It comes to a scene where it's quiet and you slowly hear the music like kind of building up. You know something's gonna pop up, just don't know when. I don't know where this motherfucker decides to pop out of nowhere. He decides to wake up. He has the same haircut as the fucking kid on TV. Yeah. Back then he was the same haircut. I had a notorious bowl cut. Yeah, back then he was rocking the Sun Gohan on Planet Namic. I see him, I lose my shit. I'm like And Ma Max started crying, bro. He ran to the room. Everybody screamed up because there's more on screen. I think we all ran. I think Porky. Porky was there with the Porky was there. He fucking ran Two people ran the the people on the far 'cause there were two couches. The ones that were further away from where they went behind the couch, we didn't move 'cause we barely were like figuring out what the hell was going on. The people that were closest that could see that hallway, they were the ones that just shut up. He's super white. He's a little tan now, but this was super pale. Yeah. So just imagine everything everything is dark. He's super light complexed. He's as tall as the couch. And all the light is shining on his face. That's what Ronald turns into the darkness. Guy with a little bulk. on on top of that, keep in mind we literally are watching a movie where like a babysitter like committed suicide for Damien the Antichrist and all kinds of other crazy stuff were happening for this little child. So imagine a little kid getting up, coming out of the pitch blackness, looks exactly like him. What what's the first thing that's gonna pop through your head? Like, my god, the ceiling fan's gonna fall down, the television's gonna explode, we're all gonna die. Yeah. To give the audience a better visual thing. The kid the little Asian kid from Sky Movie Three. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's what I look That's what I look like, unfortunately. Like I said, he was rocking the Sun Gohan Bowl cut from Planet Namek. And I'll sorry for scaring you that name. I just I was fucking scared. And it all started with you too, because you were the first one to react. Well, I was I think I was like positioned perfectly. I was very quiet. fucking. What the fuck? Yeah, he was as quiet as a church mouse too. Yeah, I think I think October's gonna be pretty pretty interesting, guys. So it's gonna be pretty interesting. We're gonna we're gonna go check out some local spots. give you guys some history on what's dark dark side Bakersfield has to it. Padre Hotel. Maybe. Maybe no, because it's more clubby. Maybe we'll probably have to go like on a weekday when there's nobody really there. I don't I don't want to I don't I don't want to sign autographs. Book room right there. Hell no. I told you I'm not going to step into no fucking building. Explore it maybe. You said go outside and look at the building. I'm not going inside. I do. It says you're not supposed to test the Lord's faith. I mean I I mean I I I'm not testing, I'm testing the other faith. Yeah, I I might be willing to go to the floor, but I'll truth be told, I'll probably go ahead and hit the stairwell in like ten seconds. Yeah. I'll be like, okay, that's enough. I gotta go. And then just In Indrika's defense, he was given the gift of sight, so he does see shit. Who? Enrika. Not no more. But he did use to see a lot of shit. Really? Yeah. Especially at that that house specifically, actually. the duendes, huh? Didn't you see a duende sometimes for some shit? Or they would toss shit at you? No. And again, a lot of times it it it didn't help out. We were watching all kinds of creepy shit. Yeah sweep that too. Titanic Illuminati. That's what I'm saying, bro. You you would have had worse experiences, especially because you were young. I have a story. It's a it's like a two second story, but I remember Enrique once almost like gave me up because he thought something was coming for us. It was so gave you up? Almost gave like he was ready to just be like, damn, Max is gone. and so what this was so gave up to what? To who? I'll finish. Getting up. So it was around So Enrique messed him like kind of shot himself in the foot with this because He loved to scare me as a kid. You guys know we ended up sharing a room because I couldn't handle being in my room by myself. and so in Simon's house, which was like the big house with the really big back. Yeah, you guys, I don't know if it was you guys or in floors. I know who he went with, but he went to go watch what was it? The woman The Woman in Black. yeah. yeah. And so I Wasn't tort and so we shared a room and he had just watched the movie. I was notoriously bad at waking myself up for school. So my mom would wake me up in the morning. She came in and like it was super dark into our room. Enriquez like has his back turned, kinda like turns over and just sees this black figure reaching towards me, just turns back around. Doesn't do anything, it's just like damn. You you're not the only one that had trouble waking up in the morning. This motherfucker, my god, bro. Fucking alarm. Yeah. And I'm like, man, fuck that. It's not my I'll unplug it and then he'll get my. Why you unplug it? You can't fucking wake up. I tried. wait. I got one more question. Guess wanna go ahead and talk about the story of when you went to his house when you weren't supposed to. And Whoa, whoa, what the fuck? Wait, what? Snitching everybody out. It's i it's innocent. It's innocent. But you had to go ahead and bring him because everybody was at work. You were babysitting, but you were bored at the house and you had nothing better to do. That happened a lot. Yeah, it happened a lot. That's not it's too big. If I go ahead here's the thing, it was a second hand story because you guys told me about it. Go ahead. We got we got time. Okay, okay. So we're at one twenty nine. So like I said, you were at home. Nobody was nobody was there except for you and you, because everybody was at work. You were at home. And you were born out of your mind, had nothing better, or just you want to go over there. The problem was that you weren't supposed to leave the house. Your parents told you, don't go anywhere because you're taking care of Max. I don't want him going anywhere. You have to stay home. You ended up not listening, leaving anyway. You took him with you. Typical. You guys went. It it was fine. You two were hanging out. You and his brother were hanging out. It was fine. Everything was great. And then it comes to the time where you guys go home. I don't remember why you said that you were being questioned. About this, but for some reason, your I think it was your mom brought up. It's like, hey, were you guys here the whole time, or did you go anywhere? And you started lying, and you were like, No, no, we didn't, no, we were here the whole time. And then as soon as like you said your finished your sentence, he was really young. Yeah, I can't take it no more. He can't lie. No, we like we weren't we we went to Urbano's house. He said that. Didn't he say no every day? I can't take it no more. That's an innocent little Pirgin Mind. That sounds like me, yeah. Yeah. That's true. I mean, granted, you were what? Three, four? Probably you're an innocent child. We have a lot of cool stories too, especially because I grew up with you and then that well, I mean you grew up with Alex. For a brief moment. Yeah. Malibu's most wanted. Baker's show's most wanted. Yeah. So before we leave, I mean, you used to live here, right? You used to live in Baker Show. I did used to live in Baker's show. What do you think about this video? Can I show him a video? I don't care. Okay. What am I gonna see? I don't even know what the fuck I'm gonna see. we're about to find out right now. Right. It's about current events, bro. Current events. We're gonna talk about current events. But he hasn't seen it. So I don't think I've seen it either. I think it's the Hyde Park one. Yeah. Whew. Wow. What do you think about this video? that one. For those listening, it's a video about a Mexican guy illegal in in the river at Hart Park. What'sava? What do I think personally about that video? Yeah, so he's urging people to come. No, I think that's really stupid. And I will say I think it's really stupid. I will you will never see me in that river. You will never see anyone I know in that river if I have anything to say about it, because I d I know you guys talked about it. I I haven't listened to the to the audio yet. I haven't watched the episode. But I remember the day Andrika came home that day when that tragedy happened. yeah. It like broke my heart, dude, because all I could think about was like, damn, like I could have been an only child. Like I almost lost my brother because of that river. So I think it's really dumb. Stay away from Hart Park. If you live in Bakersfield and you're going in it, you are risking your life, do with that what you will. Make better decisions. So don't listen to this fucking guy. This guy is a fucking idiot. Yeah. this guy right here this guy right here is a fucking idiot. Do not listen to him. Yeah, no. Do not take his recommendation at all. We experienced it firsthand. I I I talked to the homie. He actually does search and rescue. And this is what he told. From the perspective of somebody who would be paus part of a search and rescue team if something did happen. Can you say that again? Sorry? Can you repeat that? yeah. So from the perspective of somebody who actually would be part of a search and rescue team if somebody were to tragically be victim to the Killer Kern River. So this is what he said. My personal opinion is people would bring throwbags when they go camping and are near the river, they could save someone's life. If you look at the videos of people drowning, you will see people standing around and not being able to do anything. And I don't blame them because jumping in to save someone without a vest is extremely dangerous. First responders almost never get to a drowning on time. But if people have throwbags with them and they witnesses they witness someone drowning, then can save them without being in danger. This is more of a tip for the community to take action more than for the individual drowning. Unfortunately, drownings. could be accidental and there's no preparation for that. But if someone witnesses it and is prepared with one of those throw ropes, they can save someone's lives. So like you said the other day. Yeah, having a rope freaking rope. If it had a rope, it would have been different. It's not, it's not gonna it could be the difference changer because it's it's something that you can you know pull. It keeps you safe. Yeah. It keeps you safe. It's a tether to the to the surface to get out of the water. And instead of panicking and freaking out, somebody who is close enough to a rope Grab it, hold onto it, and it's just all right, pull, pull, yeah, pull, get him out of there. You guys know there was another drowning yesterday? Yesterday? Yesterday. Darwin is that's like what's seven, eight. That's like Darwin is worth this month, if I'm not mistaken. No, seven, I think, Wayne. Not this month in July? Yeah. No, probably seventh for the year. No, for July. Call me an asshole for having this perspective, but eventually people who do dumb things, specifically in our in s situation, go into the Kern River. Eventually, so many of them are gonna go ahead and meet a tragic end that Unfortunately, there won't be any dumb people to go back in there, but I feel like saying that statement. I I'm gonna be wrong. There's always gonna be people that like the trend. The Trump supporters say, play stupid game, win stupid prizes. Yep. Mm-hmm. That is true. I think what the it's it is that it's it is if you are putting yourself in that situation, you're acknowledging it, you have no one to blame but yourself. That's like why like I don't always have the most empathy for people who do that because it is like you did that to yourself, unfortunately. 'Cause it's not like there aren't signs, it's not like there aren't warnings, it's not like there aren't stories, it's not like it's it's not like you didn't know. Yeah. But then you get videos like this fucking idiot telling people come over here, it's chill, this and that, and people end up dying because they're like they think they're the exception because they think that I'm in a calm part of the river and nothing's I mean, the river's not always bad. There's parts of it that aren't as bad, you know. You don't know when the days and it there's no way to tell when it's bad or good. Or when you're gonna just slip and you're gonna get taken by the current even looking at the water from the surface, you can't even tell. Exactly. but I don't actually think it's a lack of empathy. I think it's just that I think most people here at the specifically at this table, we just have a pragmatic point of view. So we look at it as like, Okay, we know that the river is bad, we know all these people died, you were stupid enough to go into the water anyway, and you got swept up and drowned. It's not that I'm emotionless or that I don't care, it's that it was avoidable and you win it anyway. So sad, but I mean play stupid games, win win stupid prizes. Alright, well I think we'll cut it off right there, no? Thank you guys for having me. It was an amazing experience. I saw in this poll, right? my god. I went ahead and asked One last thing. What's the biggest reason people drowned at the current river? One, they underestimate the river. And option B was they ignored the warning signs. Fifty seven percent of the people voted they underestimate the river. No, you're ignoring the warning. No, it's forty three percent voted. They ignore the warning signs. You're ignoring the warning because to say that you underestimate it means that you genuinely believe that you are stronger than that river. Well, I mean it could be because they see the river and like, it don't look dangerous. Exactly. Like I said, there's some like he said, there's some places where it doesn't look dangerous. It's not one of the world's deadliest rivers for no reason. Exactly. Yeah, but you got idiots like the guy in that video telling people, come over here, come swim over here. It's a chill river. And in reality, bro, you know it's not. It's not. We we did a little fact checking to go ahead and make sure that the previous claims that we made were correct and it were proven to be a hundred percent true. It is the deadliest river. It's tied with one other one. And the reason why it's tied with the other one is because the other one, which is in Texas, I want to say it's the Guadalupe River, it has a tendency of causing flash floods. So it's not even for the same reason that our river is deadly for our river's just straight drowning. It's just a killer. It's just a killer. That's all it is. That's crazy. Wheel. Well, thanks for listening, guys. Enrique's very interested over here and what the fuck's going on on his phone. I have people texting me. Anyways. Who? I have people texting me about something. About the fucking car I'm selling. That shit probably don't even work. Fucked up transmission. He's not selling a lemon. All right. He's not selling a lemon. Yeah, if anybody doesn't have any shout outs, then we'll just cut it right there, no? no, I just just shout out to the homie from Search and Rescue. I don't want to say his name 'cause you know. profession doesn't but shout out to the big homie and that's it. All right. Till next time. No, nobody else. All right. Cool. Well thanks Max. Thanks Max for coming. hopefully we have again soon. it was a nice it was a good conversation. Stick around for October. October we're gonna be leading up to some horror stuff and September will be some conspiracy theories. we're gonna start getting into some different top topics Hopefully we get some more interest from you guys. If you guys do have anything in particular you guys want us to talk about when it comes to conspiracy theories, or if you know any spots in town that have like a gruesome history or something that maybe the older people know but the younger generations don't know and you guys want us to go check it out or look into it and go over it, let us know. Send us an email, send us a DM. The email is audrio the the audrio at yahoo dot com. You can always DM us too just tell us, hey guys, this thing I've knew about it, whatever, and just shoot us the location, bro. We'll go look for it. Yes, we're we we're already at a thousand followers. Right, because you won't see. We're already at a thousand followers. So thank you everybody for that. We can go live. So we'll probably go live. Yeah, so we'll probably be going live at those locations, to be honest. You know what's another thing that I told you about that I I kind of want to do? I want to put like the let's call it the listener mailbag where you know listeners could tell us like One of their craziest stories or whatever. yeah. And then we'll give our opinion on it. Yeah, we can share it. Yeah. And we'll keep it anonymous if you wanted to keep it anonymous. No, some people don't care. Right. What if they said I want you to some people? Yeah. at the end, give us a fucking bitch. Yeah. Hell no. It she did. It was supposed to be. But I think it was one of those like like those clickbait things to get you at the end. That's a good ending. Good ending. I should and get a god Irene. yeah. Yeah, so yeah, thanks guys for listening. Until next time.